1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I am Chris 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Harrison coming to you from our home office in Austin, Texas, 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: and I am so excited for the show today because 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: two of my favorite people that I have ever met, 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: much less on the show, just have ever met in 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: my life, Sean and Catherine Lowe. Obviously I met them 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: through the show, but have become dear friends of mine, 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: and I am excited that they are going to join 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: us today and joining me now from their house in Dallas, Texas. 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: Catherine and Sean two of my favorite human beings to 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: have ever come into my life. One of the blessings, 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: one of the blessings of this show, I always say, 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: one of the greatest things of this show is it 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: brought people into my life that I never would have 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: met otherwise, and a lot of them have become near 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: and dear to me, and two of you are definitely 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: on that list. 19 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, buddy. I always say the best 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: thing that came out of that show for me is 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: meeting Chris Harrison. So the feeling is mutual, my friend. 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: And the shirtless scenes, yeah, and. 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: Then the family that's secondary. 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Catherine and the families definitely behind me. How are 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: you guys doing good? 26 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: We are doing truly. I think people are tired of 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: hearing us. You know, we did our I did my 28 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: stint on The Bachelor this past season. I think people 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: are definitely tired of hearing about the quote unquote success 30 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: couple and oh life is so great. But I kid you, 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: not like we wake up every day and we just 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: look at ourselves and say, like, we are so blessed. 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: This is such an incredible life, and it's it's crazy 34 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: that it's all rooted in that kind of silly TV 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: show where we met. 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: I didn't watch, so I didn't see your parts, but 37 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: apparently you were on a lot. And I saw something 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: on social media that said, is Sean the Bachelor? I 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: think he's been on this season more than Zach has. 40 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: They're really hanging their hat on you, buddy, they are 41 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: really hanging their head. 42 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: I know. I saw a lot of funny memes. You 43 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: know it. I think this it's been ten years now. 44 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: I think my run is over. I think I can 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: officially retire. Dude. 46 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: You are all they have. I'm telling you, I hope 47 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: you are taking them to the cleaners every time they 48 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: call you. You better just be jacking up your price 49 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: just every time. 50 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: Well, we're working on it, but I think it's probably 51 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: time for me to retire. 52 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: You guys are royalty. You and Catherine should be like, 53 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: send the private jet, we'll fly out the burbank. We'll 54 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: do We'll do a stint on the show. I'll give 55 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: my advice. I think it would. At one point, did 56 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: you just zoom in or face time in? 57 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we did some face time in. 58 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Dude, you're even mailing that in. Now you're like all 59 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: face time in. Hey, Bud, you're doing great. Get married. 60 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: The problem is that since it's been ten years. You know, 61 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: when I first came off the show, there were so 62 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: many young girls that would come up and yelling and screaming, 63 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: oh my goodness, Sean from the back. But now it's 64 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: the people watching the show don't really know me to say, 65 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: oh my mom my, mom loved you to get a picture. 66 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: We have become the David Hasselhoff of the Bachelor bacherette. 67 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: When people come up to me, I get the same thing. 68 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: It'll be a really cute, attractive woman and she'll make 69 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: my grandmother loves you. Well, send your grandmother my love. 70 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: That is it's it's a little deflating, but lovely just 71 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: the same. 72 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: But that is. 73 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: Uh. It does go to show, in all seriousness, how 74 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: beloved you guys are, and that you are really the 75 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: success story, especially when it comes to Bachelor's which is 76 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: just not a successful franchise. When it came to us 77 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: trying to create couples, and I'm curious why you think 78 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: you succeeded where others failed. And I say you as 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: the collective you you know, Catherine, obviously you're a huge 80 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: part of this. Why did you guys succeed where others 81 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: have failed? 82 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we understand why it is easy for 83 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: people not to be together. It's a really challenging come 84 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: off of the show. You don't have each other's numbers, 85 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: you usually don't live in the same city, so pretty 86 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: much everything is against you afterwards. Besides like all the 87 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: fun and the actual real feelings of love, but the 88 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: logistics about it are really challenging. And I think for us, 89 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: we knew that we had said I love you really 90 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: late because we took it super seriously and when we 91 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: got engaged, we knew that that was that was actually 92 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: a very It wasn't like, let's try this out. It 93 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: was no, we really do plan on getting married. So 94 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: with that commitment from both of us being really strong, 95 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: that's what we've led with the whole time. It's just 96 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 3: the fact that we have committed to each other. We 97 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: could have dipped out, you know, before the wedding, but 98 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: we really did want lives together and we've created this 99 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: amazing life that we're very grateful for. But it takes 100 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: a lot of work, just like any relationship, but the 101 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 3: show adds more factors of challenge. 102 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: Well, I would add to that. I would say we 103 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: both are pretty grounded in the real world. We both recognized, like, 104 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: this is a ridiculous way to meet your partner. But 105 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: once you recognize that, you can almost put in the 106 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: work to overcome some of the challenges that come your way. 107 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: And not to say we mastered every challenge, because I 108 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: definitely faltered along the way, but yeah, we committed to 109 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: each other. Our relationship has been rooted in faith. I 110 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: think that's a major component. 111 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, I think there's a 112 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: couple of things that really did it for you guys. 113 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: First of all, and I want to circle back to this. 114 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: Maybe the fact that you guys were such a slow 115 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: burn on the show and you came to it so naturally, 116 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: and I watched it happen where you were a little 117 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: reluctant to kind of fall for this and then you did. 118 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: But the fact that both of you were so grounded, 119 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: and I think faith has a ton to do with that. 120 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: And y'all just went back to your lives and started 121 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: working on your relationship realizing that, look, this, as you said, 122 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: it was a crazy way to meet, but I think 123 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: we have something here. Let's actually work on this legitimately. 124 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: And I know that seems so obvious, but it's not 125 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: done very often. And I think your faith and the 126 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: fact that both of you were aligned in that way 127 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: had a lot to do with that. 128 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. And I get people, you know 129 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: a lot of my friends who are in their late 130 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: thirties who are like, Hey, I'm ready to get married. 131 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: What does it take? How have you created a successful marriage? 132 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: And I really say it really boils down to committing 133 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: to that person, working on becoming better every day for 134 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: that person. And I definitely haven't perfected it yet, have I? No, 135 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: I'm getting close. 136 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: You're so close to perfection, but it takes. 137 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: So much work. And I'm not talking about people on 138 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: the Bachelor. I'm talking about any relationship of course work 139 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: and so many people in this day and age, it's 140 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: so easy, especially with the dating apps, it's so easily 141 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: to date someone. Move on to the next. Yeah you're unhappy, 142 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: move on to the next. You know she's not perfect, 143 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 2: Move on to the next. She doesn't look like a model, 144 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: Move on to the next. I mean, you're just gonna 145 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: be unhappy when it's all over with. 146 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: When a life comes down to a screenshot that you 147 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: can swipe away, Yeah, you're swiping away a human being. 148 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: That's that is an issue. It really is an issue 149 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: that you're not willing to dig a little deeper and 150 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: look in the mirror. Yeah, exactly, you and I wanted 151 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: because I want to circle back to this now. On 152 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: the show, I said you guys were a slow burn, Catherine, 153 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: I did not really. I wasn't really privy to your 154 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: perspective because, as you know, I'm all about Sean. I'm 155 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: all about the bachelor of the Bacherette and facilitating their 156 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: journey and then I want them to find love. You 157 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: weren't really a part of that picture for quite some 158 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: time with Sean, and I don't know what it's like. 159 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: I mentioned it from your perspective because there were days 160 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: where I think left to his own devices early on, 161 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: y'all just didn't have that connection and he may have 162 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: even and sen you home, and I'm wondering what your 163 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: perspective was on all that, because I've never talked to 164 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: you about it. 165 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: Well, I feel like that's all valid because I came 166 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: in knowing that I had a crush on him. I 167 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: liked that he was funny, that he valued family, and 168 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: that he was really attractive. So I knew going in 169 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: I was probably not his type. I didn't want to 170 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: go home night one, but then going there, I kind 171 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: of took it as matchmaking. So like when I'm in there, 172 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: I see him with Leslie, I'm like, oh, that makes sense. 173 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: I understand that. So I kind of went with very 174 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: little expectations on my end, and the way that it 175 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: turned out, me getting like the last one on one, 176 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: like the the last person to get a one on one, 177 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: I think it was very natural and like a genuine 178 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: way that you would out in the real world, you 179 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: would be in a group date first, right, you would 180 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: see a guy and be like, oh, okay, I like him, 181 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 3: and then you go on another one. I am glad 182 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: that I didn't have a very serious relationship with the beginning, 183 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: because you. 184 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: Crash and burn. 185 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: You can't have a one on one and have these 186 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 3: really serious talks and then go to a group date. 187 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: Then you're ignored or you're you know, you're passed off 188 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: to another person or for another person. I felt like 189 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 3: it was a really good progression of us and then 190 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: we got serious when we would have in a natural 191 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: you know, in the a normal landscape. So I was 192 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: grateful to be on that slow burn because it just 193 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 3: felt more authentic to how I would do it in 194 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 3: real life. 195 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: That's interesting and that was and by the way, that 196 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: was kind of dumb luck. It wasn't like anything the 197 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: producers did. It wasn't anything that Sean specifically did. It 198 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: was just something the natural progression just worked for you guys. 199 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: Thank God. 200 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, for sure. And I think because it's easy 201 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: to get in your head. For the girl, it's so 202 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: easy to spiral, and for me because I was like, 203 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: oh yeah, he thinks I'm cute. He's keeping me because 204 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: I'm funny or whatever, very small, small, small, so I 205 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: wasn't getting a huge validation and then it was taken 206 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: away from me. I was just happy for what I got. 207 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: And some of the girls that get the one on 208 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: ones early on or like really, they kind of gets 209 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: a little bit screwed. 210 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: I know you guys are crazy busy, but I was 211 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: looking back at a picture of Sean season. I forget 212 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: we were in one of the group dates, and I 213 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: think is when we were in Canada and all of 214 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: you were lined up. I was talking to you, and 215 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: I zoomed in. I was looking at all the women 216 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: that were on that season. I'm like, wow, that was 217 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: like an all star you know, twenty seven Yankees lineup 218 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: of the who's who of the franchise. That was like 219 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: a banger season of just great individuals that maybe it 220 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: was my age and y'all's age two that are like 221 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: a lot of good friends of mine, and I'm sure 222 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: yours as well. I know you're crazy busy with kids 223 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: and everything else, But do you still keep in touch 224 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: with some of the all stars from that season because 225 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: it was a big season. 226 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really do. 227 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: I still talk to Robin and Daniella and Leslie and 228 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: I really do support everybody because I think casting did 229 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: because he's such a nice guy. They genuinely wanted to 230 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 3: cast nice girls. Yeah, I think that that's why it was. 231 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 3: And it was right before Instagram, so I think it 232 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 3: was a very different group of women who value different things, 233 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 3: just priority wise, and I really enjoyed them. I really 234 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 3: thought that we all got along at some capacity. Of course, 235 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: it's a lot of girls that have different personalities, but 236 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: I think we all respected each other. 237 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: Who were so who Let's name some of the some 238 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: of the some of the big ones that were that 239 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: came out of that season, Ashley. 240 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: Frazier, Sarah Herron, Sel Malamry, we have Tiera Plosi, Oh yeah, 241 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: Desire Hartsock, who else? 242 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: You're right, I forgot, Yeah, the des went on to 243 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: be the batterer. I forgot that death came out of 244 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: the seat. That was a guy. That was a big seat. 245 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: That was a really big season. Yeah, and it really 246 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: was that tipping point of there wasn't complete naivete. You know, 247 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: everyone kind of knew what they were getting into. But 248 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: you're right, social media hadn't exploded, so you were still 249 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: this genuine excitement of what we were doing, and everything 250 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: you were doing wasn't exploded around the world as we 251 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: were accomplishing it. We got to hide in that bubble 252 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: for a little bit and that made a difference. Yeah, 253 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: what is life like for you guys? Now? Kids? I 254 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: see on Instagram you're coaching baseball first base there. I 255 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: saw you the other night. What is life like on 256 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: the daily with the kids? Life, school, everything? 257 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: It's pretty much very normal. We do the drop off 258 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: with the kids. I forgot samuel snack, so I took 259 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 3: a kid to drop it off and we saw him 260 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: on the playground. Like it's a very idyllic life that 261 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: we have and we're so grateful. We just get to 262 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: walk around the neighborhood and it's pretty just routine. 263 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, every day is somewhat similar. Wake up, make breakfast 264 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: for the kids, getting ready for school. I'll take Samuel 265 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: to school, She'll take Isaiah or me at a school. 266 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: We both work from home, which a lot of cup 267 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: will say, how do you do that? I would murder 268 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: my partner if we work together all day long. But 269 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: we've we've always done it. You do it? Well? What 270 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: do y'all do? 271 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: What do you what? Do you work on? What is this? 272 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: What is life? What's the business life? 273 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: Thank you for asking. I get this question a lot. 274 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: So me and a partner. We created Home by Sean 275 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: and Catherine Lowe. That's our furniture company. We created us 276 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: six years ago. So that's that's my my main job, 277 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: if you will. And we've been super blessed through Home 278 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: and we've been able to create one of the bigger 279 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: companies on Wayfair and it's it's been a lot of 280 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: fun and we're we're having fun with it. So my partner, 281 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 2: he manages the warehouse, he does all the dirty work. 282 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: I get to emails and do all that fun. 283 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: I feel like Sean has always been like the chandler 284 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: from Friends Matthew Perry, and they're like, I've watched this 285 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: show for ten years. What does he do? He's a transponsor. 286 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: He's a transponsor. It's like, that's not a word. 287 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. Nick humble about what he does, 288 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: and he's very good at that. 289 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: You're an international man of mystery. I also know you 290 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: have some other side hustles investments, because you and I 291 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: are involved in some of those business dealings as well. 292 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: So some of that's somewhat of a loaded question because 293 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: Sean and I have remained good friends and I love 294 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: one of the great things. My family is up in 295 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: Dallas and my kids are at TCU some up in 296 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Dallas a lot, and I tried to get together with 297 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: with you guys as much as possible. Unfortunately, Catherine, I 298 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: don't get to see you as much. I get to 299 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: see Sean too much. 300 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: I know. I think you. 301 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: Guys went to a steakhouse and I missed out on 302 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: that invitation, and your lovely fiance was there. 303 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't miss on the invitation. 304 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 3: I really do like Lauren. 305 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: I really do, thank you, and it's a mutual love. 306 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Going back to the show, this is a trick question 307 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: I should have prepared you guys for because I have 308 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: something to tell you. Is there what is one thing? 309 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: And this could come from both of you, could be 310 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: the same thing, could be different things. What's something that 311 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that would shock me, surprise me that 312 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: happened on the show that you did that you think. 313 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: I bet Harrison doesn't know this. 314 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: You know, it's about the last condition. What I've got 315 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: one that comes to mind. I can be hilarious. No, no, no, 316 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: it's not. It's not necessarily hilarious, but it's something. It's 317 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: the first thing that comes to mind that Chris probably 318 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: doesn't know. So I convinced Cassie, who was one of 319 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: the producers on the show where she was like my 320 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: right hand person. I convinced her to give me my 321 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: iPad when we were going to Thailand, and I said, Cassie, 322 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: I'm just going to play music. That's all I wanted for, like, 323 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: I'm kind of going crazy over here. I just want 324 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: to listen to my music. So she gives it to me, 325 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: and of course we haven't had any technology for like 326 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: the prior two months, and so I get curious. I'm 327 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: in the hotel room and and I log onto the 328 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: Bachelor website and I see like all the women that 329 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: I had been dating and all that stuff, and I 330 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: see Catherine's profile, and I'm looking at her profile and 331 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: I cannot believe it because one of the questions was like, Yeah, 332 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: what's what's a bucket list item of yours? She had 333 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: no idea when filling this out that we were even 334 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: going to Thailand was ride elephants in Thailand. So I'm 335 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: reading that I'm like, wow, you know, we were in Thailand, 336 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: and then it was like the following day or so, 337 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: Cassie says, hey, we we were down to the two 338 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: remaining women. I don't we don't care who goes on 339 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: which date. One of them will be riding elephants, the 340 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: other one will be some type of boat ride. Oh wow, 341 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: I know who's riding the elephant. 342 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: That's called the closer, that is called closing the deal. 343 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: That's that's right. And I should have known at that 344 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: moment that Catherine was the one for me, because immediately 345 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: it's like, I just want to make Catherine happy, and 346 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: I kept thinking about her and just like the big 347 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: smile that this would produce. And so yeah, that's probably 348 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: the one thing that you were unaware of. 349 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: That And by the way, that's how we ended up 350 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: ending your entire show. Was that amazing proposal there in Thailand. 351 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: And then you guys got on an elephant and rode 352 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: off into the sunset literally. And the funny thing about 353 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: that is TV you think of like the music swelling 354 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: and they get on this elephant and they ride off 355 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: into Thailand. Well think about at some point that's got 356 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: to end, Like they got to come back. And so, 357 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, because when we're shooting at it's hot, it's 358 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: kind of humid, elephant's kind of stinky. There is no music, 359 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: and you guys are just kind of writing on this 360 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: elephant and we can't shoot it because you know, we're 361 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: not going to follow you guys forever. And it just 362 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: went on and on and finally someone's like, we got 363 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: to turn the elephant around. We have to come back 364 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: to does this But that is funny that that's how 365 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: it ended, was you guys writing off into the sunset. 366 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: And to your point, it was so hot and so 367 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: I remember I had sweated through my suit because I 368 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: had to stand in that ti heat for like two hours. 369 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: It's brutal, but Eiland is one of those places where 370 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: you're not sure if the heat's coming from under you, 371 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: over you. It's just like you just everything is so 372 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: hot and sweaty, and you're trying to make it look 373 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: romantic and cute and sweet, and also you're trying to 374 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: propose and it ended up being a beautiful moment the 375 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: time that I know you probably didn't realize, and this 376 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: was post show. Do you remember when they asked you 377 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: to host the live specials, the Summer Shower remembers after Paradise, 378 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: and they had kind of pitted us against each other 379 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: and we never really talked much about it because you 380 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with it. It was the 381 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: powers that be that were, you know, a bit of 382 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: a negotiating ploy. I had just started doing Who Wants 383 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: to Be a Millionaire? They were not happy about that 384 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: for some reason. There was an ABC show and all that, 385 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: but there was no synergy there and they didn't love 386 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: the fact that I was going to go off and 387 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, sleep with another girl and I was doing Millionaire. 388 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: And my thought was, it's a game show. It's not 389 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: at all going to hurt the Bachelor series. There's nothing, 390 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, bad about this. But they just didn't love 391 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: that I was going to go off and do something else, 392 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: so to kind of send a message to me right 393 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: after that, in the middle of that, and we had knockdown, 394 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: drag out, blow up, the you know fights negotiations about this. 395 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: They call me and they're like, no one's ever hosted, 396 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: no one's ever spoken on this show other than me 397 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: in however many years, and they go, hey, you know, 398 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: we just feel like it's kind of two inside Baseball 399 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: for you to host those after shows. Uh, so we're 400 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: going to bring Sean in. And that was an absolute 401 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: shot across the bow of like, hey, pal, you can 402 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: be replaced at any time. We want to put you 403 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: in your play. And you came in and hosted those 404 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: shows for I forget how long if you did the 405 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: whole season, one of those seasons, I forget what it was. 406 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: You lasted one season before they asked me not to 407 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: come back, And so what's funny about that. I was 408 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: so naive to anything going on in the background, and 409 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: all I heard was because of conflicts in his schedule, 410 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: Chris can't do it, and that's why we're reaching out 411 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: to you. And I was thinking about this the other day. 412 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Mike Flice was the one 413 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: calling me, and we had several discussions because it wasn't 414 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: an easy yes on my end. I think transparently Catherine 415 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: wasn't super stoked about it, just because of the nature 416 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: of that show, you know whatever. But we had conversations 417 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 2: going back and forth, and like I remember, Mike was like, Hey, 418 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 2: we'll do anything to get you on this, but he 419 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: made it clear that you couldn't do it. Because you 420 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: had scheduling conflicts, and so I had no idea that 421 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 2: they were trying to send a message to you. But 422 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: I do remember sending you a text saying something along 423 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: the lines of, you know, hey, buddy, honored to do this. 424 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: I just hope you know I'm not trying to step 425 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: on your toes or anything. But I had no idea 426 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 2: what was going on in the background. So that's actually 427 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: very interesting for me to hear. 428 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: It was that, first of all, what they told you 429 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: was an absolute, absolute lie, one hundred percent not true. 430 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: I was available. Of course I was available. It's you know, 431 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: it was my main job and that was always first 432 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: chair and millionaire came second, and they knew that and 433 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: we always planned around that. So no, it was the 434 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: same person is the one who called me. And that's 435 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: how you know it's really different, because usually that person 436 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: doesn't get involved with this type of thing, and he's like, hey, 437 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: I think you know it's better for you. There's just 438 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: things that you can't ask and Sean can and we can. 439 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: Really so that's what they told me, which I knew 440 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: was a lie as well, and it was all about 441 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 1: I'm pissed that you're doing millionaire and I told you 442 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: not to, but legally I can't stop you. So I'm 443 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: going to slap you on the hand, and I'm going 444 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: to bring in Sean Low and We're going to show 445 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: you that we can do this show without you. That's 446 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: how that whole thing played out. But again, I never 447 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: had any of will towards you because I knew you 448 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. And like you said, 449 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: you texted me, it was like, hey, man, just happy 450 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: to come in and be a part of it and whatever. Yeah, 451 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: And you know, it was kind of like when I 452 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: talked to Caitlin and Tasha. You know, I was never 453 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: mad at them when they came into host after I left, 454 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: because they had they were just ponds in the game. 455 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: It was all about power, it's all about negotiation. It's 456 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: just business. 457 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: And you know, it's got the last laugh because I 458 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: was a terrible host and they last in one. 459 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: Season well, and not to be a jerk, it ended 460 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: up being one of the greatest negotiating tools that I 461 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: ever had because it did not go well and because 462 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: here's the thing, Well, what's not fair to you is 463 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: of all the shows I hosted for the Bachelor Bacherette, 464 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: that was easily the most difficult. Live TV first of all, 465 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: is unbelievably hard the time of it being able to 466 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: listen coming in and out. You have to hit marks, 467 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: you have to hit times, and on top of that, 468 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: you have to just be able to detach from that 469 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: and then do interviews and listen. And so it's a 470 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: very hard thing to have learned, and it took me 471 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: many years to get that and to come into that show. 472 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: I I and we had such a small budget, as 473 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, you're shooting it in a closet. It was 474 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: a very hard show and it took every ounce of 475 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: skill to produce and host that, And so I kind 476 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: of knew the fix was in. You can't just throw 477 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: somebody off the street in there and say, hey, host 478 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: this live show. Good luck. It's it's just not that easy. 479 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I had I had a co host, 480 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: and I'm not sure. I love Michelle to death, but 481 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: I'm not sure our synergies were necessarily aligned. And yeah, 482 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: it was. It was a learning experience for me for sure, 483 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 2: but I think my hosting days are over. 484 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was that was something I knew. You know, 485 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: you and I have never talked about. Was that moment 486 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: when you came on, because that was the first time 487 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: that I had never not hosted or was the voice 488 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: of the show. And and it hurt, it like really 489 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: like it hurt my pride. It hurt you know, didn't 490 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: hurt my feelings because it wasn't about you. It was 491 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: just like I was like, that's that was that's been 492 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: my baby. But that that also helped me realize it 493 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: was a job. Take your emotions out of this. You 494 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: are expendable. They will sell you for four dollars if 495 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: they think that they can make that money, and you 496 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: know it's and that's and it's not just them, by 497 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: the way, It's not just that they're bad people. It's 498 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: that's any job. 499 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: Will. 500 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: You got to realize that if you're working for somebody else, 501 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: they have a higher calling and it's that bottom line. 502 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the nature of the beast. Unfortunately. 503 00:24:46,640 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, overall, I think back fondly on your season. You 504 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: mentioned Cassie, who was a producer, a dear friend of 505 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: ours and loved her. Do you remember that fateful night 506 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: when you guys got in a wreck? 507 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that was such a bizarre night. 508 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: We were at the buccaneer in Saint Croix, and every 509 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: time that The Bachelor would travel to a new destination, 510 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: they would hire local help, right local people to you know, 511 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: do a number of different jobs. 512 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: And by the way, it was one of the cool 513 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: things I always appreciated. We would go into these communities 514 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: wherever we were traveling and we would hire locals a lot. 515 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: We really infused a lot of money into these communities, 516 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: which was cool. 517 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: So I can imagine, you know, when you get tasked 518 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: to work for a giant TV show like The Bachelor, 519 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: and you're here, you are a young girl in this example, 520 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: it's probably pretty intimidating when a producer says do this, 521 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: do that? Like, oh, yes, sir, yes, ma'am. So someone 522 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: would to drive us from one location at the resort 523 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: to another. We didn't know that this girl, I don't 524 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: even know she was of driving age, but she did 525 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: not have a driver's license. And I'm sitting in the 526 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: back seat and Cassie, my producer, and her husband Pete 527 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: were sitting in the very back with the tailgate open. 528 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: It was like a jeep Cherokee as she and this 529 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: girl is kind of going fast for where we were. 530 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 2: We're on the resort grounds and we're right next to 531 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 2: a golf course, and she's going faster and faster, and 532 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: I'm starting to think like, whoa, you know, she's driving 533 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: kind of recklessly here. And then I see this hill 534 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: and she starts driving even faster, and at this point 535 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: we're saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She drove us right 536 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 2: into a tree, like no one had any idea what 537 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: was going on. By the grace of God, no one 538 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: got seriously injured. And then thinking back on it, it 539 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: was a pretty steep hill. Had there not been a 540 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: tree there, it probably would have been a lot worse. 541 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 2: At least the tree brought the vehicle to a stop. 542 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was I remember it making news and 543 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: I had to go see a doctor in the whole bit. 544 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: Well, and Cassie was pregnant. Yeah, I forgot about that 545 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: Cassie was pregnant with their daughter at the time. Yeah, 546 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: and that we were so scared. Everybody was just like, 547 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, our bachelor got in a wreck. Cassie and 548 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: Pete got her. It was horrifying for all of us. 549 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: And that was that was again lesson learned of. We 550 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: should probably have licensed skilled drivers everywhere we go, and 551 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: it's just something you assume, like, Okay, you know when 552 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: these locals were hired, you're this, you're this, they know 553 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: the streets, they know where we're going. Let's just hire locals, 554 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, you're a driver. Well, honestly, some 555 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: of these places we went, it was just a job 556 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: and it was like can you drive? Sure? Well she couldn't, 557 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: and I think she was like using two feet and 558 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: didn't know the break from the gas and plowed right 559 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: into a tree. 560 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 2: I remember her balling. She was sitting on the curb balling, 561 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: and we were trying to actually console her. It's okay, 562 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: everyone's fine, and that poor girl all just was crying 563 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: her eyes out. Yeah. I forgot about that. 564 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: Luckily, one of those life lessons learned that we all 565 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: walked away from We all we all survived what lies 566 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: ahead for you guys as a family. Any more kids? 567 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: Or are we done? Mama says we're done. 568 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: We wanted five and then we had three, and we're like, okay, 569 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 3: that was a lot. Five Five would be a lot. 570 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 3: We could channel five, but we like, we like our 571 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: little group. 572 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: Maybe if you'd mixed in a few girls, you could 573 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: have gone to five. 574 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: Oh, I could have ten girls. It's the boys who 575 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: were troubled exactly. Yeah, we hopefully you don't mind me 576 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: saying this. We kind of had a scare not too 577 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: long ago where it's like, maybe I'm pregnant, and uh, 578 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: she did the pregnancy test and it was negative and 579 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: we were both really happy. So we were like, Okay, 580 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: I think we have our answer. Now we're probably done 581 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: with three, so I'll probably make an ap. I'm in 582 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: at the doctor sometime soon. 583 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: I have that same experience where we weren't sure we 584 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: had two and we weren't sure, and we had a 585 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: scare in my first marriage, and as soon as we 586 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: realized it was not true and we were not pregnant, 587 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: we both looked at each other because you know, at first, 588 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: you're like, well, if it happens, great, you know it's 589 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: God's blessing, and you bet, you bet, we're all in. 590 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: And as soon as it doesn't happen, we both look 591 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: at each other. Are you good? Yeah, I'm really good? 592 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: Me too. 593 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: Okay, good, that's our answer. God has a good way 594 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: of kind of giving you those moments in life. 595 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: Right. And our youngest, our youngest is now out of diapers, 596 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: and once you cross that threshold, you just don't want 597 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: to go back. Now such a milestone, so yeah, now's 598 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: probably a good stopping point. 599 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: How old are the kids? 600 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: Six? 601 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 3: Four and three? 602 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, the next person in diaper, Sean is you. 603 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: I know, we joke about it all the time because 604 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 2: I actually had a number of concussions playing college football, 605 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: So I'll probably be in diapers here pretty. 606 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: Soon, Sean. He'll be eating his meals out of a 607 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: straw and he'll be a diapers very soon. No, I 608 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: always kind of grossly said that to my guess is like, 609 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: next next person you know who needs their butt wiped, 610 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: that's me. That's not you, guys anymore. It's good to 611 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: be out of that stage. It is so great. 612 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, life is definitely a lot easier than it 613 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: was maybe a year or two ago. 614 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: And now every stage is really fun. Though I loved 615 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: newborn phase, but now it's really really fun because it's 616 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: a little bit more free and yeah, they can communicate. 617 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: It's nice. 618 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 1: It gets better and better. Every stage is amazing. And 619 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: you guys have been around my kids and then you 620 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: get to college and they're just they're great. Human beings 621 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: you want to hang out with. And I'm excited my 622 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: son's actually coming back down here to Austin. They play 623 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: Texas this weekend and lacrosse, and I'm like so pumped 624 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: when he and his girlfriend come in and we have 625 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: dinners and we just hang and play games. It's a 626 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: wonderful stage. But I also miss little league practices, soccer wire, 627 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: all those things too. I mean, the fact that that 628 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: part of my life is gone is I miss that. 629 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys are reveling in that. 630 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: We're soaking it up. I catch myself a lot, and 631 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to sound like super sentimental dad over here, 632 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: but I'll catch myself like looking at their sweet, adorable 633 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: faces and just thinking this isn't going to last very 634 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: much longer. 635 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: They'll be shaving soon. 636 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: I know it. You know. So we're definitely definitely soaking 637 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: it up. 638 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: But you may go get snipped soon. You mean you 639 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: may have the surgery. 640 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: I may. I may have to probably probably. Yeah, she's 641 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: definitely fertile. It's probably the wise thing to do. 642 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they know what causes that. Now you can avoid it, 643 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: and uh, welcome to the club if you if you 644 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: need any pointers. If you need help, let me know. 645 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be there with you. 646 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: Thank you. 647 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: So was I think it was Ari. I was talking 648 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: to Ari Lauren, and Lauren was in the room when 649 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: Ari got his besectomy. 650 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: I don't think wife in there for that. 651 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Who does that? 652 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: But we like them, But that's interesting. 653 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: I love them, But that is such. That was such 654 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: an Ari and Lauren answered like, well, it was. It 655 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: was an option, and so we just did. I'm like, 656 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: there is that is the last It is the most 657 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: emasculating thing a guy can go through that. The last 658 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: thing I want is my wife to sit there and 659 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: watch me get sniff something. Yeah, and you know the 660 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: nurses sitting there looking at you, Catherine. I feel like 661 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: everybody's being judged in that moment. 662 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't be there. Yeah, I'm okay with that. 663 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: That is the last thing. Well, guys, I appreciate you 664 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: stepping on. Is there is there anything we should be 665 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: talking about that we're not? 666 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a big question. 667 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that we don't really have now We're 668 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: we're kind of boring. We're just kind of boring, and 669 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: I like it. We like it that we. 670 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: Have a very simple yet beautiful life in our minds. 671 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: In our minds. 672 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. We we have no desire to 673 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: to be in the news, or to be on a 674 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: new TV show, or to have salacious scandal of any kind. 675 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: It's just we're happy with our little, beautiful lives. We 676 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: know people are probably tired of hearing about us via 677 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: The Bachelor or Instagram or whatever, but no, I don't 678 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: think there's anything else we need to be talking about it. 679 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: I bet you'll still get offers. I'm sure you still 680 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: get offers all the time of like come do this show, 681 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, come beyond Dancing with the Stars, you know, 682 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: those types of things, cooking shows or whatever. 683 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it amazes me that, you know, ten years later, 684 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: people still even remember our names or even care. Yeah. 685 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: And it's funny because Instagram wasn't around back then, or 686 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: it was in its infancy anyway. And so in my 687 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: mind doing The Bachelor, I had I thought it would 688 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 2: be like once in a lifetime, cool experience, travel the world. 689 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: That's the end of it. So to think ten years later, 690 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 2: you know, and obviously there's opportunities to make money and 691 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: everything else, But ten years later, people are still following 692 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: along with us and care about us. It's yeah, very 693 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 2: pretty cool and humbling, and yeah, we're grateful because we 694 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: also have a lot of wonderful people that offer us 695 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 2: support anytime we're going through a hard time. And you know, 696 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 2: we've been pretty open with stuff, like recently we had 697 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: to give away our dog, and I know it's grand 698 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: scheming thing, that's not a big deal, but I love 699 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: that dog. Yeah, the amount of support I got was amazing. 700 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 2: And I know social media gets a bad rap for 701 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: good cause, but we've had a lot of wonderful people 702 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 2: following us for the past ten years, and we're superprict. 703 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 3: We love our followers. They're very, very sweet and anytime 704 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 3: anyone comes up to us, we just know they're genuinely 705 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: supportive of us. And it feels really good to have 706 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 3: a community of people that are just uplifting you. 707 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: And I feel like you guys do a great a 708 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: You are both very humble and b I think y'all 709 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: always do a great job of sharing and the way 710 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: you share, like Sean, for example, that that story about 711 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: your dog and it was it Samuel did he snap 712 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: at Samuel And the fact that you had to deal 713 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: with that was such a human story and it's something 714 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: we can all relate to. Of you have this dog, 715 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: and yeah, the dog is kind of part of our family. 716 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you're not getting 717 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: rid of Samuel, and so yeah, you have to make 718 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 1: that call. And those are real things we have to do, 719 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: and it's heartbreaking and it's tough and it's not pretty. 720 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: And so I think it's just you guys are so 721 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: relatable because you represent us and the everyday person, and 722 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: y'all have been so good about that, the way you share, 723 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: and I just think it's it's one of the reasons 724 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: I love you guys so much, and I know you 725 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: are so beloved by so many out there. 726 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 2: Still, Well, thank you, buddy. I've always said too, I 727 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: being the Bachelor was humbling, And I don't mean that 728 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: word like most people use it. I truly mean the 729 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: word humble, because here you are put into the spotlight 730 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 2: and I always thought to myself, like, I don't deserve this. 731 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: I have no talent or skill of any kind. I 732 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 2: was just a random guy who's now on the cover 733 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 2: of these magazines, and I just felt like I don't 734 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: belong here, like I am. I was raised in Irving, Texas. 735 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 2: I don't deserve the adoration or whatever it is, the spotlight, 736 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: And yeah, I think I still feel that way for 737 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 2: the most point. 738 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: By the way, don't sell yourself short. The fact that 739 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: you could pop your pecks like Terry Crews, that was 740 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: a skill set. 741 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 2: Well thank you for that. 742 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: They're not what they used to be, but it's still 743 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: I still got it. I still go Catherine, You're one 744 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 1: lucky lady. But guys, thank you so much. I appreciate 745 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: your friendship, your love and support. And before I let 746 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,479 Speaker 1: you go, I want to also publicly say that when 747 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: Lauren and I were going through what we went through, 748 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: that you too reached out to us, were there for us, 749 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: spoke to us, texted us as much as anybody, and 750 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: it was heartfelt and it was out of love. And 751 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: I will never forget that. And you know, I considered 752 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: you a friend, but knew you were. You know, when 753 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: times like that are happening, you know who's going to 754 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: be in your foxhole. And the fact that you went 755 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: on your own and went public with your support meant 756 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: the world to me and to Lauren, And so I 757 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: just wanted to publicly say I've said thank you before, 758 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: but I wanted to publicly say thank you to you 759 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: guys for your love and support, because it meant more 760 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: than you will ever know. 761 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy, That's yeah, that means the world to us. 762 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: And I remember texting you one time and or maybe 763 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 2: you had initiated the text saying thank you, and I said, 764 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 2: you know, what kind of friend would I be if 765 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: I didn't support you? And you said something along the 766 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: lines of, well, you'd be surprised. I think you had 767 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 2: a lot of friends maybe fall off or you found 768 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: out they weren't white friends. But that's what friendship is 769 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 2: all about. You support your friends no matter what. 770 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: It's easy to love people when they're on top and 771 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: when the money's flowing and everything's great, and you find 772 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: out a lot about your true friends, family, your relationships 773 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: when it all hits the fan. And I definitely did, 774 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: and you guys were there. You were steadfast in that 775 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: and I love you and appreciate you for it. 776 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 2: I love you, buddy. 777 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 3: We're here for you. 778 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: Thank you, Catherine, Thank you. Thank you for putting up 779 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: with him and in conjunction me all these years. I 780 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: know you're a blessing to him, But you're a blessing 781 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: to me too, And I love you, guys, and I 782 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Thank you, Thank you, buddy, my thanks 783 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: to Shawn and Catherine, two of the most loving, giving, 784 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: humble people. As I said, I can't reiterate this enough. 785 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: Were so good to me and supportive of me when 786 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: they were going to get nothing but grief in return 787 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: for showing that love and support. And they are so 788 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: humble and that's why they are so beloved, and that 789 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: they left the craziness of the show and went off 790 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: and just lived their lives. And I always gave that 791 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: advice of do what Ryan and Trista did, do what 792 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: Sean and Catherine did in any relationship, take it to 793 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: the next level of making it real and doing the work. 794 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: And it has worked for them and now they have 795 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: a beautiful family. But the other thing I love the 796 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: most about them, it's not perfect, and they'll never pretend 797 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: that it's perfect. They fail, they struggle, they have to 798 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: work on it, and that to me is more indicative 799 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: than anything of how humble and real they are. Is 800 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: that you don't just see the glossy, beautiful times, you 801 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: see the tough times as well. And I know it's 802 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: relatable because we all go through them. Thank you so 803 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: much to Sean and Catherine, and thank you so much 804 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: for joining me. Always love being with you. I'll talk 805 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: to you next time because we have a lot more 806 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram 807 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: at the most Dramatic pot and make sure to write 808 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: us a review and leave us five stars. I'll talk 809 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: to you next time.