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Speaker 1: Banola pleaded guilty to first degree manslaughter in a plea

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Speaker 1: Digital reporter Stephanie, thank you for being with us. Who

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Speaker 1: On Friday night, April fifteenth, Miss Gal attends a show

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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher, thank you for being with us. I want

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Speaker 1: remind you, Matthew Mengina. Not that you need reminding. I

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Speaker 1: conduct of a person who's in a in a m

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Speaker 1: in the right frame of mind. That he's in a

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Speaker 1: complete panic now, which you know is a result of

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Speaker 1: this rage that he just inflicted on the Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: in a panic because he's trying to cover up a

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Speaker 1: murder that he just did, a horribly bloody murder. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Stephanie pagonis joining us from Fox. The police found damning

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Speaker 1: evidence at the scene, including a pair of his boots

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Speaker 1: soaked in blood. That's correct. Not only did they find

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Speaker 1: these boots that were soaked in blood, like you said,

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Speaker 1: but they also found a jacket that was soaked in blood.

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Speaker 1: They found tissues i believe at a nearby park, and

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Speaker 1: and they found a trail of blood leaving leading from

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Speaker 1: the home to the scene where the body was discovered.

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Speaker 1: In duffle bag more or less ditched along the sidewalk there,

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Speaker 1: so he has quite a bit of evidence that he

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Speaker 1: has left behind, whether knowingly or unknowingly. He left the

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Speaker 1: nice as you discussed at the crime scene that matches

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Speaker 1: the other knives used in the home there, and he

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00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: ultimately confessed to many of these crimes, including leaving this

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Speaker 1: text message that ended up being completely bogused. Crime stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace and Injustice in a Queen's courtroom, the

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Speaker 1: killer a beautiful mom or saw you Gale takes a

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Speaker 1: sweet plea deal, sweet for him, bitter for me, that's right.

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Speaker 1: David Benola, forty four years old, takes a plea deal

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Speaker 1: offered by the Queen's District Attorney's office, pleading guilty to

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Speaker 1: a lesser offensive manslaughter, not murder. He will get twenty

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Speaker 1: five years behind bars and on that guarantee you he'll

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Speaker 1: be out in twelve thirteen years, like nothing happened. Probably

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Speaker 1: time for him to work out in the yard, makes

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Speaker 1: some friends, get his degree, probably get some sweethearts online,

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Speaker 1: have women send him money. He'll probably draw artwork and

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Speaker 1: sell it online like Jodiarius does. He attacked or sawya

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Speaker 1: in her basement with her son upstairs, stabbing her fifty times,

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Speaker 1: waiting until the dead of night to drag her body

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Speaker 1: out of the home, and dumping next to a freeway.

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Speaker 1: I mean, man, I would have tried him up and

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Speaker 1: down that courtroom trying to get the maximum sentence for

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Speaker 1: this guy. Take a listen to her friends at NBC.

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Speaker 1: The handyman accused of killing a queen's mother has accepted

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Speaker 1: a plea deal in that case. David Benola will serve

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Speaker 1: twenty five years in jail on first degree manslaughter charges,

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Speaker 1: with five years of post release supervision. Police say Benola

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Speaker 1: confessed to stabbing or solagu more than fifty five times

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Speaker 1: after an argument back in April, then dumping her body

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Speaker 1: in a duffel bag not far from her home and

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Speaker 1: Forest Hills. This sentence and this sweetheart plea deal is

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Speaker 1: so wrong. Earlier, Matthew Mangino, Venoman trial lawyer, stated that

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Speaker 1: this guy, David Benola had to get the knife out

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Speaker 1: of the kitchen and then take it down to the basement,

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Speaker 1: walking down with a knife in his hand that he

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Speaker 1: used to murder or saw you think about that a moment,

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Speaker 1: Think about that mona quet, those steps if I was

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Speaker 1: prosecuting this case, I would go down every step for

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Speaker 1: the jury with him holding the knife, every step leading

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Speaker 1: him closer to murder, a vicious and brutal murder of

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Speaker 1: a defenseless, unarmed woman. That was time to ponder and

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Speaker 1: think about what he was about to do. Mona, right,

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Speaker 1: And we don't know how many times he had approached

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Speaker 1: her before this night, if he had been calling her,

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Speaker 1: following her, if he had tried to, you know, have

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Speaker 1: sex with her, you know, before this night, he maybe

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Speaker 1: knew that there was a possibility he was going to

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Speaker 1: be rejected, but he was going to try. He was

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Speaker 1: going to keep trying. You know what I learned researching

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Speaker 1: the case, Stephanie Paganis, is that he has an session

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Speaker 1: with the Guns and Roses guitarist Slash Yes. And he

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Speaker 1: also looks, you know, quite similar, interestingly, A mean, the hair, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's got He's got quite a distinct appearance. You know.

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Speaker 1: Even neighbors in the area said they knew him as

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Speaker 1: being not only a night owl, but someone who always

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Speaker 1: was either playing music, talking about music, or was carrying

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Speaker 1: around his guitar, whether it was around his back or

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Speaker 1: in an instrument bag of some kind. So not only

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Speaker 1: does the appearance seem quite similar, but he really had

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Speaker 1: quite the interest in music, according to neighbors who and

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Speaker 1: people who lived or worked nearby. You know what's another

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Speaker 1: interesting fact to me about how the knife was recovered

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Speaker 1: at the crime scene. But the fact that does everybody

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00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: remember how could you ever forget Sky Peterson? Remember him

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00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: when he would go back over and over and over

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Speaker 1: back to San Francisco Bay, looking out over the water

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Speaker 1: as if he expected to see Lacy's body or the

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Speaker 1: body of their unborn son Connor, pop up in the water.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he was scouring the beach at a distance to

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Speaker 1: see if their bodies had washed up on shore. But

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you agree, doctor Angela Arnold, that very often we

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Speaker 1: see criminals returning to the scene over and over. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand why. Well I don't really understand why either, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: But there has to be a curiosity inside of them,

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Speaker 1: and maybe they're perhaps they're reliving the event. Perhaps they're

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Speaker 1: looking for signs of evidence that hasn't been found. And

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Speaker 1: I truly agree with you about Scott Peterson probably going

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Speaker 1: out there and seeing if Lacy's body was going to

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Speaker 1: float up and they and you know, Nancy, maybe it

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Speaker 1: also gives them some sort of some sort of sense

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Speaker 1: of something having known that they've gotten rid of that person,

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Speaker 1: and so they revisit it and relive it. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm wondering, Nancy, I'm wondering if this man had

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Speaker 1: been you know, she had been trying to get rid

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Speaker 1: of him, right, and she had cut things off, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm wondering if someone else had rejected him also, Well,

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Speaker 1: he heard earlier that he had been hitting on the

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Speaker 1: baristas the Starbucks, and it went to take a listen

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Speaker 1: twenty again. This is the Chief of Detectives, James Essig.

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Speaker 1: Last night why detectives were canvassing for video they observed

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Speaker 1: the Mail who was wanted for questioning and a horrendous homicide.

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Speaker 1: He voluntarily came back to the one twelve precinct and

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Speaker 1: made incriminating statements. Today that Mail, David Bolla Mail, forty

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Speaker 1: four years old, residing at one O four eighteen one

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Speaker 1: teen Street in Queens, New York, is being charged with

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Speaker 1: murder in the second degree, criminal tampering in the first degree,

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Speaker 1: and criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree

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Speaker 1: in relation to the death of Ossolda gau female fifty

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Speaker 1: one years old. You know you, Stephanie Began. Is very

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Speaker 1: often when you're dealing with New York and some of

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Speaker 1: the jurisdictions law, it said, well, why not murder in

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Speaker 1: the first degree, murder in the second in New York.

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Speaker 1: It's very similar to other jurisdictions. Murder in the first

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Speaker 1: first degree murder in New York. Murder one can refer

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Speaker 1: to murdering, for instance, a cop, a peace officer, a

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Speaker 1: government worker. It could be someone that is incarcerated already

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Speaker 1: and then they murder the warden. So it really focuses

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Speaker 1: a good bit murder one in New York on who

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Speaker 1: the victim is. But the penalty for murder one and

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Speaker 1: murder two in New York is the same about twenty

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Speaker 1: five to life, right, that's correct. He faces twenty five

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Speaker 1: to life. It's convicted on the highest charge, But on

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Speaker 1: top of that he has those two other charges criminal

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Speaker 1: possession of a weapon and tampering with physical evidence, so

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Speaker 1: he likely faces more time than that if convicted on

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Speaker 1: those other charges on top of the murder in the

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Speaker 1: second degree. Interesting, I know what tampering with evidence would

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Speaker 1: be moving the body, getting rid of evidence trying to

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Speaker 1: hide the murder weapon. But what about criminal possession of

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Speaker 1: a weapon. Does that mean he had a weapon that

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Speaker 1: he used for a crime or is there some reason

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Speaker 1: it was a crime for him to even have a weapon.

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Speaker 1: So it's my understanding in my years of doing this,

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Speaker 1: that the criminal possession of a weapon charge refers to

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Speaker 1: his use of the knife as a weapon to commit

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Speaker 1: a crime in this case. So, like you said, he

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Speaker 1: went into the kitchen. Police believe he used the knife

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Speaker 1: from the kitchen, and he used that knife in the

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Speaker 1: commission of this murder of Ursaya Gaul. In the last days,

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Speaker 1: the handyman lover, forty four year old David Benola takes

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Speaker 1: a plea deal to a lesser offense, manslaughter. He gets

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Speaker 1: twenty five years on manslory. He'll probably do twelve fifteen

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Speaker 1: and be out. I can't believe this guy was given

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Speaker 1: a plea deal to twenty five years on a lesser offense.

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Speaker 1: He should have been tried on murder and been behind

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Speaker 1: bars for the rest of his natural life till he dies.

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Speaker 1: The injustice of this sentence, Oh what that family had

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Speaker 1: to go through. Our prayers with or Sawya Gals family,

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Speaker 1: her husband especially her two sons. Nancy Grayce Crime Story

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,