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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: We played in front of five people before, but we've

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Speaker 2: So it's that growth, it's that evolution, and I think

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Speaker 2: that there's an unspoken respect between this band and our

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Music Save Me Podcast, a podcast about

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Speaker 1: the healing power of music. We are proud supporters of

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Speaker 1: Musicians on Call and we urge you to support them

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Speaker 1: by going to Musicians on Call dot org. They're a

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Speaker 1: fantastic organization. I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman, and today we

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Speaker 1: are fortunate, very fortunate to have an artist who leads

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Speaker 1: who has really put his life's challenges out there for

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Speaker 1: the world to see and hear, which I always think

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Speaker 1: is just so amazing. Brent Smith is the founder and

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Speaker 1: lead singer of the rock band Shinedown, who have a

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Speaker 1: new album out called Planet Zero, which is fabulous. It's

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Speaker 1: a really cool way to put out an album with

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Speaker 1: all the It's almost like a throwback to the way

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Speaker 1: albums used to be made, really, because you want to

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Speaker 1: listen from the very beginning all the way to the end. Brent,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: What is happening? It is so nice to meet you,

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Speaker 2: and I am unbelievably honored to be here today.

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Speaker 1: Well, the feeling is mutual. How has music saved you?

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Speaker 2: You know what, It's interesting every day it evolved for

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Speaker 2: me in a lot of different ways. I think that

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Speaker 2: it saved me because I mean I never started writing

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Speaker 2: songs because I had something to say. But I, you know,

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Speaker 2: will lighten the mood sometimes with people and say, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, writing songs and being a musician it was

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Speaker 2: it's something for me that it was all always there

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Speaker 2: for me from the moment I entered the earth. You

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Speaker 2: it's something that I take really seriously. So I always

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Speaker 2: so forth. Music has always been there for me, and

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Speaker 2: it's more built around the songs because I think of

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Speaker 2: music if you're talking about a specific instrument or what

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Speaker 2: whenever I was dealing with something from a cerebral, you know,

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Speaker 2: life at that point in time because it's constantly evolving

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Speaker 1: Do you do you believe that it has healing powers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one thousand percent, one thousand I've watched it cure cancer.

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Speaker 1: Really, can you give me the short story on that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, so, the thing is, that's so extraordinary. So

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Speaker 2: our guitar player, Zach Myers, he works with Saint Jude's

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Speaker 1: It really helps you through some of the darkest moments. Sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people even realize how much music affects

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's astonishing too, how your ear will grab

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Speaker 2: universe helps you kind of like gravitate towards the people

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Speaker 2: you know, universe put us together today, it.

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Speaker 1: Sure did, you know, And the universe puts your fans

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with the fan base is

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Speaker 2: very proud that the audience from a global standpoint, it's

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Speaker 2: very much eight to eighty. So you know, there are

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Speaker 2: they allow us to be ourselves and they allow us

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Speaker 2: to evolve. One of the biggest things that they've done

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Speaker 2: And obviously they're sweet and they say we love them all,

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Speaker 2: sometimes bands will get into that, or not even just bands,

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Speaker 2: and they're just they're down for the ride. And that

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Speaker 2: you evolve because you don't. We've never we're not trying

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Speaker 2: we do our best not to write the same song twice.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's interesting that you say that they're very forgiving

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it makes me feel that I must

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Speaker 2: But there's also something else I should say that kind

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Speaker 2: Our success is their success, and and why I say

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Speaker 2: you know, all the records, and you know they they

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Speaker 2: And now as I talk to you today, though, I

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Speaker 2: And I think that there's an unspoken just respect between

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Speaker 1: You're so transparent with this band, with your music, with

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Speaker 1: it's like when you put out an album, it's like

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Speaker 2: I asked for it, I asked for it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: But I you know, I remember she was always like,

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Speaker 2: work a day in your life. Now. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 2: I work really, really hard. We all do, and we

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Speaker 2: I'm in a band that's been talking about mental health

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Speaker 2: like we shined down. We don't want to be put

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Speaker 2: as a band. You know, you should look at all

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Speaker 2: the lanes and welcome the diversity in that with different

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Speaker 2: types of you know, musicianship different types of music, different

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Speaker 2: types of musicians and just different artists, you know, you

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Speaker 2: don't have to just stick to one particular genre when

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Speaker 2: you're out there and just letting people know that the

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Speaker 2: community is very open and we just want to celebrate,

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Speaker 2: you know, the human spirit and bringing people together. That's

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Speaker 2: probably the best. I hope that answered your question. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of people that lift us up out there,

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Speaker 2: but the most recent definitely the Spirit Box and the

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Speaker 2: popa Roach tour that we just finished it. We had

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Speaker 2: a blast.

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Speaker 1: Now, as someone whose face struggles, what do you want

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Speaker 1: those listening as we wrap things up to know about

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Speaker 1: those who are struggling from someone who has gone through

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Speaker 1: what you've gone through? What do you want Let me

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Speaker 1: try to rephrase that properly.

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Speaker 2: No, I know what you mean.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Good to make sure that your eyes and your ears

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Speaker 2: are open at all times, or just the make sure

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Speaker 2: that you you're being open minded, not only for yourself

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Speaker 2: as you're on your journey, but the people that are

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Speaker 2: around you as well, the people that you love, your friends,

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Speaker 2: your family, and even total strangers. I know that's going

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Speaker 2: to sound a little odd, but again, you have to

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Speaker 2: remember that your mental health is just as important as

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Speaker 2: your physical health. And what I would say to people

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Speaker 2: is if you yourself are dealing with thoughts that you've

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Speaker 2: never had before and it's coming from a dark place.

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Speaker 2: Number one understands something. There's nothing wrong with you, like,

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Speaker 2: you're evolving, you're growing, and it can be scary and

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Speaker 2: it can be a difficult thing to kind of navigate,

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Speaker 2: especially if you're having feelings that you never had before.

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Speaker 2: But inside of that, do not feel ashamed or embarrassed

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Speaker 2: to ask for help. There are places that you can

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Speaker 2: go through. There are organizations that can help you. Again,

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Speaker 2: you know a little bit more on the heavier subject matter,

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Speaker 2: but you know, one of the most incredible organizations on

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Speaker 2: the planet is of the AFSP. They're a real organization

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Speaker 2: that knows how to help people of people the tools

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Speaker 2: that they need when it comes to mental health. The

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Speaker 2: other thing that I would say is just in general,

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Speaker 2: if you notice somebody that's close to you or in

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Speaker 2: your family or a friend of yours, and you can

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Speaker 2: tell that something is a bit off or maybe something

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Speaker 2: has changed behind the eyes, the worst thing you can

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Speaker 2: do is be quiet and not say something to them.

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Speaker 2: And it's okay to go up to them and be like, listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure what's going on, but

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Speaker 2: you can talk to me. And if I can't help you,

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Speaker 2: I will find someone that can, you know, and I'll

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Speaker 2: we'll do it together. But just remember that because and

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Speaker 2: even if you see a total stranger sometimes and you

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Speaker 2: can tell something off, something's off, and I know it's

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Speaker 2: a little bit more ambitious, but going up to that

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Speaker 2: person and saying, hey, I don't know you, but are

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Speaker 2: you okay? Because I know people that have done that before,

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Speaker 2: and the response from total strangers sometimes it's just they

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Speaker 2: look at them and they're in awe that somebody just

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Speaker 2: took the time to ask if they were okay today,

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Speaker 2: And because you could potentially save someone's life. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's what you got to remember is don't don't

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Speaker 2: be quiet. And on both sides, if you notice something

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Speaker 2: with someone, say something to them. And if you yourself

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Speaker 2: are just you're having a rough go at it, don't

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Speaker 2: don't stay quiet. Tell somebody that you need to talk

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Speaker 2: to somebody.

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Speaker 1: Just incredible, incredible advice, beautiful advice. And one thing I

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Speaker 1: could add to that is don't worry. It's all a

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Speaker 1: symptom of being human. There you go, amazing song. Now

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Speaker 1: put that on right now. If you're feeling like that,

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Speaker 1: it will it will change you a beautiful song. Thanks Rin,

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Speaker 1: I don't I could talk to you for hours, we

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Speaker 1: don't have that time, so I just want to thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your insight, for your time and

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Speaker 1: inspiration and your music, and thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Music saved me.

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Speaker 2: It's my absolute pleasure. I am happy to talk to

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Speaker 2: you anytime. I look forward to seeing you like faith

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Speaker 2: to Faith in the future.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Me too, Me too, Thank you