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Speaker 1: for a Reason, where the Patriots beat the Jets ten
Speaker 1: three thanks to Marcus Jones an eighty four yard punt
Speaker 1: returned for a touchdown. With five seconds left in the game.
Speaker 1: This was headed toward overtime. This was going to be
Speaker 1: this was going to be a conversation about how we
Speaker 1: should have spent our Sunday, what would what should we
Speaker 1: have done other than sitting through three hours and ten
Speaker 1: minutes of a football game that was going to result.
Speaker 1: And to Tamara Brown's credit, she said, some point early
Speaker 1: on in the second half, is this game going to
Speaker 1: end in a tie? And at that point it was
Speaker 1: three to three, and it looked like that no team
Speaker 1: was going to be able to put points on the
Speaker 1: board today and it was going to go into overtime
Speaker 1: and end in a three three tie. And she asked
Speaker 1: early on, and he kind of scoff at it. And
Speaker 1: it was a real possibility until the New York Jets
Speaker 1: decided to make some very puzzling decisions down the stretch,
Speaker 1: and some puzzling decisions on both sides of the ball
Speaker 1: down the stretch. But the New York Jets did's electing
Speaker 1: to call a time out, run a play that had
Speaker 1: no hope of extending their drive and punting the ball,
Speaker 1: giving the Patriots enough time to look. They didn't even
Speaker 1: need to run the ball back for a touchdown, there
Speaker 1: would have been enough time on the clock to put
Speaker 1: Nick Folk in field goal range and actually win the
Speaker 1: game that way in regulation based on how the game ended.
Speaker 1: But we've got so much to get to in just
Speaker 1: the last two minutes of that game. There is practically
Speaker 1: nothing to talk about throughout first fifty eight minutes of clock,
Speaker 1: and in the last two minutes we are here to
Speaker 1: break it down here for you on the Patriots postgame
Speaker 1: Show presented by Cyber Reason Hardy Mike to Sell, Paul
Speaker 1: Perillan now joining us here in studio. As you can imagine,
Speaker 1: we were all in our seats until the last possible moment,
Speaker 1: and I was I had to been fit of being
Speaker 1: two floors lower than these guys, so I was able
Speaker 1: to make it down here first. So welcome in juice.
Speaker 1: What a finish to that game, What a What an
Speaker 1: absolute exercise and futility for three hours followed by twenty
Speaker 1: seconds of sheer pandemonium. Right, Oh my gosh, what the
Speaker 1: heck has happened? I'm like, I'm I'm still in shock
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, you expect them, We're going over time,
Speaker 1: you know. And then all of a sudden, Marcus Jones.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they drafted him to do. Had
Speaker 1: to leave the game briefly with an ankle injury, came back,
Speaker 1: So I guess the legend of Marcus Jones, who will
Speaker 1: continue to grow. So yeah, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how much there is to dissect overall from from the
Speaker 1: game credit to the defense offense will we'll get into,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but hey, defense and special teams, they did
Speaker 1: it again for you. Well. One of the one of
Speaker 1: the bads in there I had originally written down was
Speaker 1: when the Patriots had to call a time out because
Speaker 1: they didn't have anyone back to receive the punt. But
Speaker 1: you know, as it turns out, it is because Marcus
Speaker 1: Jones was slowly to leave the field and he wasn't
Speaker 1: able to get out there, and he wasn't okay. So
Speaker 1: I mean, all these things they somehow come to, you know,
Speaker 1: come to the same point, and they all end up
Speaker 1: leading to the same thing, which was just a crazy
Speaker 1: wild play at the end, a crazy decision from the
Speaker 1: from the Jets I think toward the end of that game.
Speaker 1: And the result is both teams come out of this
Speaker 1: game at six and four with the Patriots holding the tiebreaker,
Speaker 1: of course, after beating the Jets in both their meetings
Speaker 1: this season. Paul, I don't know what you thought for
Speaker 1: the first three hours of that game, but just terrible football.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about other things I wish I
Speaker 1: would have been doing. I have a couple of socks
Speaker 1: sitting at home that you know, I could go and
Speaker 1: maybe try and find the matches for those songs. You
Speaker 1: got lucky that you missed the Colts game. Okay, well
Speaker 1: I don't feel all that lucky except the result. Wow,
Speaker 1: the excitement at the end of that game. It made
Speaker 1: it worth it. We'll see what you think here eight
Speaker 1: five five, pats five hundred and the email. I gotta
Speaker 1: get another look at this here we're playing it on
Speaker 1: the screen. So he cut about the sixteen and then
Speaker 1: it was and there was a cutback. The cutback was
Speaker 1: you know, it's just yeah, that was it. There was
Speaker 1: one play here at the end that I think the
Speaker 1: Pits oh pads may have gotten away with the police. No, okay, now,
Speaker 1: I didn't think they were gonna be I can't believe
Speaker 1: holding on the third down before that, like the way
Speaker 1: that game was going. Yeah, are you surprised at all?
Speaker 1: Though that the flag. Could the flag have come out here?
Speaker 1: That's a plating block in the back. I didn't see
Speaker 1: that by so you're saying that could of the game
Speaker 1: was over anyway, he was going to kick a ten
Speaker 1: yard field goal and win. And that was the point
Speaker 1: I'd made thanks to thanks to the Jets calling time
Speaker 1: out before they ran their last play from scrimmage. What
Speaker 1: they called a time or did they did? The Patriots
Speaker 1: called the time? Yes, okay, I thought it was the
Speaker 1: Jets time out. Well, h here we go. Let's get
Speaker 1: into it. Um, good, bad, injured? Is there is there
Speaker 1: anything else you want to talk about before we get
Speaker 1: into it. It It was a terrible It was a terrible, terrible.
Speaker 1: It was a terrible game to watch, a terrible game
Speaker 1: to witness that started started off, started off with a
Speaker 1: ten minute delay and got worse from now. That is true.
Speaker 1: That was the that's when there was still hope. That
Speaker 1: was the most exciting part of the game, the first
Speaker 1: ten minutes when they didn't actually play in the last
Speaker 1: ten seconds, that's it. That's it. That would those would
Speaker 1: do two best parts of the game. Let's get into
Speaker 1: it here. Now it's time for the good pretty good
Speaker 1: pretty good, the bad and the injured. Ah, you are
Speaker 1: right gay. Before we get into the good, the bad,
Speaker 1: and the injured, let's speak with Devon Gottscha was joining
Speaker 1: us now from the locker room. I'm sure you guys
Speaker 1: from being in follow moods to fantastic modes. Divon, congratulations
Speaker 1: on the win. I appreciate it. It's feel so good.
Speaker 1: It's so good to uh, you know, always get to
Speaker 1: winning your division account as tools. You know, the Jets
Speaker 1: have a really good team, have been playing really good
Speaker 1: big win against Buffalo, but it feels good to come
Speaker 1: out with a winch that. Hey, Divon, I just gotta
Speaker 1: ask you, what what are things like right now for
Speaker 1: rookie Marcus Jones there in the locker room. I imagine
Speaker 1: you guys are all over him. Oh, he's been due
Speaker 1: for one. He's this guy. He's gonna he's gonna be special.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be very special. About to stay up because
Speaker 1: he's a trying to bust. But he's been dupe for
Speaker 1: one of you. Look at the games. He's been been
Speaker 1: due to break one. He's going to be special. He's
Speaker 1: very dynamic. You know. I'm excited to see him over
Speaker 1: the years, Sabon, What can you talk about the run defense?
Speaker 1: They obviously the Jets wanted to play it close to
Speaker 1: the vest and play field position and do all those
Speaker 1: kinds of conservative things. But you just wouldn't allow it
Speaker 1: all day. What was the key to your success? Up front?
Speaker 1: We know the Jets wanted to run the ball. They
Speaker 1: want to They ran the ball. They try to run
Speaker 1: the ball and make the complete get against Buffalo. The
Speaker 1: Buffalo game the last time played us uh the quarterback
Speaker 1: to a couple picks, So we knew they want to
Speaker 1: come out and run a ball. So you know, we
Speaker 1: wanted to come out and stop them, you know, like
Speaker 1: that that's that's that's my job. That's a lot of
Speaker 1: guy's job. And be long, you know, don't get all
Speaker 1: accolades and double teams and all that. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't see that on the statieet, but when you watch
Speaker 1: the games and the staid so we just want to
Speaker 1: come out and stop it. Though, do you have to
Speaker 1: guard against being impatient in a game like that when
Speaker 1: you're kind of waiting for something to happen, you're standing
Speaker 1: in the sidelines, you're waiting for your offense to kind
Speaker 1: of pull ahead. Do you have to be careful not
Speaker 1: to get overaggressive when you get back out of the
Speaker 1: field and try and get another stop. Yeah, it really
Speaker 1: didn't matter. I mean we could have got one pick.
Speaker 1: It really didn't matter. Whatever. We would have got one
Speaker 1: field I mean I mentioned saying one field goal. It
Speaker 1: didn't matter. We just know it's the score was tied
Speaker 1: three three. We wasn't allowed to let them score against
Speaker 1: there though, so you know, kind of human let him
Speaker 1: like a cross the ppyr line. Yeah, I was. Defense
Speaker 1: played pretty good today and they mostly rang the ball.
Speaker 1: We know they want to try to run a ball,
Speaker 1: so we know we had to stop runt. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's why that's why they brought guts like me here
Speaker 1: devon what's now on tap? I mean you got a
Speaker 1: quick turnaround to the Vikings in a few short days.
Speaker 1: I mean, how can you build with this energy just
Speaker 1: coming off the field with a big win like that,
Speaker 1: carry that into Thursday twenty four. I was just you know, clear,
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch it tomorrow. I'm actually gonna try to
Speaker 1: go home and watch some of the Minnesota game. Team
Speaker 1: is playing something high, playing pretty good. We gotta make
Speaker 1: sure we come out and start fast on both all
Speaker 1: three phases. Uh, you know, do just team have a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence. They're playing out pretty good. I got
Speaker 1: a very good offense, very good with sevens, very good
Speaker 1: running mat So maybe you want to make sure we
Speaker 1: come out and start fast. You know, we're gonna watch
Speaker 1: this game. Get to give the corrections that move on
Speaker 1: to better all right, Devon, Like Deuce just said, he
Speaker 1: had a short week, so we'll let you go. Congratulations
Speaker 1: on the wind, all right, thank you? All right, take care,
Speaker 1: there he goes Devon. Gotcha who's defensive UNA did their
Speaker 1: job today holding the page, holding the jets too. I
Speaker 1: think one hundred and four hundred three I think on
Speaker 1: hundred four hundred three yards of total offense, just over
Speaker 1: one hundred yards in total, fifty nine yards rushing two
Speaker 1: point six per carry. Zach Wilson was nine of twenty
Speaker 1: two for seventy seven yards. All right, so there we go.
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Speaker 1: the ground without worrying about someone calling in. Now we
Speaker 1: play some football. Well, I mean Hetty called in during
Speaker 1: the good what else? I mean, there's a few good
Speaker 1: things talking about it, But it's it's defense. Defense doing
Speaker 1: their job today, duce. Yeah, sure, but let's share. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was going to throw Marcus Jones on there, just
Speaker 1: to the obvious one for the for the big play
Speaker 1: at them, but I got But but let's start with
Speaker 1: the defense. I mean, I just you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: they think they allowed them one first down after the half,
Speaker 1: so they just refused to let the team down and
Speaker 1: they had to today again. I just think gotcha, guy,
Speaker 1: all those guys up front, um, were just really strong
Speaker 1: and stout. And it's a continuation of how they've been
Speaker 1: playing against these teams. Now that said, great performance. Now
Speaker 1: the stage is set. Now you got legit offense in
Speaker 1: Minnesota and then Buffalo coming up. So um but you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta give them credit. The yardage speaks for itself.
Speaker 1: One hundred yards. I mean that's you know, they shut
Speaker 1: they shut the Jets down completely and you know for
Speaker 1: a large part. I mean, you know, if they weren't
Speaker 1: able to come through the punt, one play could have
Speaker 1: changed it really quick. So um, they were able to
Speaker 1: get those stops. I was a little nervous down the end,
Speaker 1: but uh but yeah, they they shut them down. Um.
Speaker 1: I think just defensively, and obviously it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: start in with Marcus Jones. I mean, the biggest play
Speaker 1: of the game and the you know, the the truly
Speaker 1: the only big play of the game that just obviously
Speaker 1: changed anything in the whole tone of the day, in
Speaker 1: the whole tone of the game. But uh, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: give it up to the to the defense first, Paul,
Speaker 1: what do you yeah, I mean, the run defense was outstanding. Um.
Speaker 1: I also thought, um, the timely nature of some of
Speaker 1: the pressure in the second half, especially they didn't get
Speaker 1: much in the first half, but I thought they kind
Speaker 1: of adjusted their pass rush where Wilson got free a
Speaker 1: couple of times for some scrambles, and in the second half,
Speaker 1: I thought they did a better job of containing him
Speaker 1: while getting after him. So yeah, I mean defensively, Jonathan Jones,
Speaker 1: I thought was a standout in coverage. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know they weren't pressured because of the nature of the game,
Speaker 1: and they weren't throwing. They couldn't sustain any offense, but
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones was one that stood out to me in
Speaker 1: the run defense. All Right, I will give I will
Speaker 1: give a credit to the first offensive player, I guess,
Speaker 1: and just in order, starting with Romandrea Stevenson. I mean,
Speaker 1: your offense came from you know, two running backs today essentially,
Speaker 1: and of course one huge special teams play. But I
Speaker 1: had Romandrea Stevenson down early as as something that looked
Speaker 1: better than everything else out there. How's that? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: the third and sixteen run that he just like powered
Speaker 1: through five tackles I think to get the first down.
Speaker 1: I mean that was That's what Remandri has been doing
Speaker 1: all year long. And you know, I think there were
Speaker 1: a couple plays where there were some holes, but largely
Speaker 1: I think the guys had to get everything they earned.
Speaker 1: For Damien Harris had a nice big run too, But um,
Speaker 1: you know, handful of offensive plays probably that we can
Speaker 1: you know, hand out some acknowledgement too, But that's probably
Speaker 1: I mean, offensively, if we're going to do this it's
Speaker 1: individual plays. Yeah, it's it's the third and eighteen passed
Speaker 1: that Stevenson broke four tackles on to get a first down.
Speaker 1: It's two runs by Damian Harris, one for twenty two
Speaker 1: and one for thirty yards. I mean, remindre Stevenson had
Speaker 1: fifteen carries for twenty six yards in this game. Horrific
Speaker 1: one point seven yards to get and it wasn't not Stevenson.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not on Stevenson, no, but but but
Speaker 1: Damian Harris had eight for sixty five, two big runs
Speaker 1: thirty and twenty two yards. We're talking about individual plays
Speaker 1: offensively because there was nothing, no, and for Stevenson it
Speaker 1: was you know, it was like just just said it
Speaker 1: was a reception that it was, you know, like I'll
Speaker 1: run you know, yeah, one reception. But the point is
Speaker 1: what we're going to keep going back to is that
Speaker 1: they couldn't do anything with their good fortune. If they
Speaker 1: did convert on a third and long, they couldn't do
Speaker 1: anything with it. They didn't ever get any points out
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, they were there were granted outstanding field
Speaker 1: position time and time again, and couldn't do anything with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean you know, and I'm sure we'll talk
Speaker 1: plenty about this, but I mean I thought, you know, individually,
Speaker 1: they had some good plays, some good drives. I thought
Speaker 1: Mac had, you know, looked a little bit more comfortable
Speaker 1: in the pocket. I thought he delivered some balls that
Speaker 1: we haven't really seen him delivered this year. But as
Speaker 1: they got closer to the red zone, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: things just started falling apart and you're taking penalties, you're
Speaker 1: making negative plays, you're taking sacks, and then you're moving backwards.
Speaker 1: So you know, there were some little pieces there where
Speaker 1: you're like, there's a play that looks you know, I
Speaker 1: think more than I've probably seen. But the negative plays
Speaker 1: continue to be there. I saw a stat at the
Speaker 1: end that was, you know, the Patriots had ten negative
Speaker 1: plays to the Jets eight. So they continue to go backwards,
Speaker 1: they continue to take penalties, and you know, we can
Speaker 1: talk about the one I was counting. I only had nine.
Speaker 1: I missed one. I didn't think it was twenty three
Speaker 1: and twenty seven, the ultimate two hundred forty six, the
Speaker 1: ultimate plastic stat game of all games. Because Mike just
Speaker 1: hit it. They would make and we're seeing the highlights now,
Speaker 1: you know, they would make a play, Damian Harris would
Speaker 1: would go thirty yards, they would get down in position
Speaker 1: to get points, and he would take a sack. He
Speaker 1: did it like three times, Like you can't take a
Speaker 1: sack when you're on the edge of field goal range
Speaker 1: in a game that the wind was definitely a factor
Speaker 1: at that end of the stadium. And he got sacked
Speaker 1: six times today. He wasn't under attack. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: free runaway guys. Like there were times that he was
Speaker 1: standing back there with plenty of time. They couldn't sustain
Speaker 1: anything offensively. If the Jets weren't if the Patriots, I'll
Speaker 1: rephrase that instead of saying that the Jets weren't so inept,
Speaker 1: if the Patriots defense wasn't so dominant, you'd look at
Speaker 1: this as one of the worst offensive games you ever
Speaker 1: saw by the Patriots. I mean, fourth or fifteen on
Speaker 1: third down, thirteen first downs in the game, two hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety seven total yards. That's like the fifth game
Speaker 1: in a row they've been under three hundred yards of
Speaker 1: total offense. That's pathetic. Now, in comparison to the Jets,
Speaker 1: it's not so bad, but they couldn't do a thing
Speaker 1: offensively in this game. And again it was just some
Speaker 1: individual plays. John and I would throw John who Smith
Speaker 1: in there, who made a couple of individual plays. But
Speaker 1: even on one of his I think that they had
Speaker 1: a little jet sweep. I think that might have been
Speaker 1: a touchdown and he dropped the ball. Well, that was
Speaker 1: That was my first good that I had was John
Speaker 1: who Smith's fumble recovery. But yeah, to immediately counter with
Speaker 1: that was the ghost of somebody who forced the fumble.
Speaker 1: He's switching hands for no apparent reason on that play.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. Zoe talked about it on the broadcast.
Speaker 1: He said, look, it's cold out there, he said, and
Speaker 1: he grabbed one of the footballs during warmups. He's like,
Speaker 1: they're slick. It's it's also not the first rodeo for
Speaker 1: these guys. They've played football in cold weather before. They
Speaker 1: know what this is. Like, it's and you just he's
Speaker 1: wearing gloves. I mean, it's like there's it was a
Speaker 1: good play to get the ball back and that's how
Speaker 1: you ultimately otherwise you probably lose the game. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a probably lose three nothing if you because that's where
Speaker 1: they got their field goal after that in right, and
Speaker 1: they ain't punting the ball if they're up three, nothing
Speaker 1: there not doing that. They punted the ball out of bounds.
Speaker 1: It was it was a fantastic recovery, but you immediately
Speaker 1: have to counter it with well, why, you know, how
Speaker 1: did he fumble it? Why just dropped the ball? He
Speaker 1: was switching hands and I don't really understand why, but
Speaker 1: I did think he was. He made a couple of
Speaker 1: plays and I thought, you know, as a good I
Speaker 1: thought there was a little bit more creativity offensively today
Speaker 1: at times, um, you know, a little bit more play action,
Speaker 1: a little bit more under center throw on first down,
Speaker 1: throwing on early downs. And now it didn't always work
Speaker 1: the first down, first play of the games. They get
Speaker 1: tacked on first down. Um, so the player the play
Speaker 1: actions that they ran on Hunter Henry's reception. Hunter Henry
Speaker 1: had said, and I say, John, who had one, Yeah, singularly,
Speaker 1: his one reception today was the result of great play
Speaker 1: at actually good and good fit you know, good good
Speaker 1: work by Mac. But but I could put all eleven
Speaker 1: guys on defense on the good list. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: hard pressed to get anybody on offense on it. It
Speaker 1: was bad. Um, I know, the Jets have a good
Speaker 1: defense too, just like the Patriots did. But you got
Speaker 1: to move the ball. I put it. I put a
Speaker 1: Harris on there too, just be yeah, Harris booms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you know, eight for sixty five solid day. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, just hand out boot
Speaker 1: case the defense, but I would just I would. I
Speaker 1: would highlight choot On and Uh and Wise kind of together.
Speaker 1: I've got, yeah, I had, I had. I thought Wise
Speaker 1: was really good today. Yeah, I just you know, those
Speaker 1: guys coming through in some big moments. Um, you know
Speaker 1: Mac Wilson as well, a couple you know, key kind
Speaker 1: of Wilson was good too. Yeah, I agree, I'll put
Speaker 1: I'll put Devon Gacho and there just because there was
Speaker 1: a great phone call. There was really a himball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was happy. They will let's puin him out, let's
Speaker 1: give him an honorary good list today. I don't even
Speaker 1: think I mean, I think he gets on there for
Speaker 1: his play. I thought he was good un too so, um,
Speaker 1: but you know, otherwise I would just say though generally,
Speaker 1: like I just think it's the team defense, you know,
Speaker 1: and and as much as you want to highlight individual guys,
Speaker 1: I think that they're, you know, playing well together. The
Speaker 1: coverages is playing well. I mean, you had the one
Speaker 1: what was the thirty four yarder that Jack Jones didn't
Speaker 1: really turn around and look the other guys stopped. But
Speaker 1: other than that, they really didn't give up much of
Speaker 1: anything today and they're they're playing well. But like I said, now,
Speaker 1: I want to see it against the Vikings. I want
Speaker 1: to see it against the Bills. Does it look like
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks. Okay, let's let's just
Speaker 1: let's just get through the I know I'm I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: you really want to see what it looks like. You
Speaker 1: want to see what it looks I want to get
Speaker 1: hurt again. I want to get hurt. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know that I'm quite ready to say that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I am eagerly anticipating how they look against the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Vikings on Thursday night. I can't say, why are you
Speaker 1: saying that? You're saying that because you think they're going
Speaker 1: to get rolled by the Vikings. Do you think the
Speaker 1: Vikings are overrated and that they'll be fine. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure which angle you're coming at it from the first
Speaker 1: that they're going to get rolled. So you have no
Speaker 1: false sense of security at all with this defense. You
Speaker 1: think they're they're paper champions right now. Well, I think Minnesota,
Speaker 1: even if if you play against you very good defense,
Speaker 1: I think Minnesota can still score ten points, thirteen points,
Speaker 1: you know that is okay? And I don't and I
Speaker 1: don't know that you can score more than that. And
Speaker 1: I know the front seven for the Jets is fantastic,
Speaker 1: But I mean, you want to talk about like a
Speaker 1: conditions game and it was cold as a little windy.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that bad out there. It really wasn't that
Speaker 1: level of offense bad. Oh well that was like Buffalo
Speaker 1: offense last year, right, I mean, I mean they played
Speaker 1: that game like it was in Buffalo last year with
Speaker 1: forty mile an hour crossfield sustained wins. That wasn't that.
Speaker 1: That was just that was a November football game, That's
Speaker 1: all that was. Yeah. So I no, I am not
Speaker 1: I am not looking forward to how this team looks
Speaker 1: against a very good football team in the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: Not quite there, ye all right, asked me after ask
Speaker 1: me after a couple of days, like I'm not interested
Speaker 1: and watching like until they have an offense that's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could play defense and winning. You can win games
Speaker 1: like this. Sure the defense played great, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to watch that. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: who wants to watch games like that. Um, how how
Speaker 1: much do you want to like get into the bad list?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be it's gonna be entire groups,
Speaker 1: It's going to be certain plays, it's gonna be a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you want do you want to do
Speaker 1: you want to focus in on things now? Or should
Speaker 1: we just leave it for the entirety of the post game?
Speaker 1: Because I gotta tell you, as as good as you
Speaker 1: need to feel, and I'm not going to qualify to win.
Speaker 1: It's a win and you're six and four and you
Speaker 1: took care of business. But a part of what I
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, like no style points before, I
Speaker 1: need to see the game first, Like that was a
Speaker 1: good call by you. Um, can we just start with
Speaker 1: the offensive line and just spend a moment talking about
Speaker 1: the offensive line? And I know they lost Andrews early on,
Speaker 1: but even with Andrews in, it did not look good
Speaker 1: the first play of the game, you know, allow of
Speaker 1: your quarterback to be sacked. I mean, come on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when wind goes out too, and then you I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on with Trent Brown was I mean
Speaker 1: I saw some online speculation that he was maybe sick,
Speaker 1: but you know that that kind of came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: He was then put in both tackles, had rough times.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were a couple of times it felt
Speaker 1: like they were coming around the corner and meeting at
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Um, it's just uh, it's it's not it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna get mac hurt first of all. But I
Speaker 1: mean they just they can't really do anything, and it's
Speaker 1: just I think the thing that's hard is that I
Speaker 1: saw moments of Matt kind of being comfortable in the
Speaker 1: pocket and then you know, you see that I don't
Speaker 1: see that's like all right, there's some time there. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: just it's it's tough, and then you wonder what's going
Speaker 1: to happen now. Is Andrew's out, you know, thigh injury?
Speaker 1: Was that mean? Um? And his win out? So you
Speaker 1: know you might be looking at Yadnika just and James
Speaker 1: Fern's for the immediate future. Certainly with a quick turnaround
Speaker 1: in three days, that's that's gonna be a big, big
Speaker 1: storyline this week. I was afraid the way he stood up,
Speaker 1: the way Andrews stood up on that like he had
Speaker 1: broken his femur. I mean it looked like, you know
Speaker 1: something really now, it's hard to imagine a guy that
Speaker 1: tough getting like a deep bone bruise or something like
Speaker 1: that and him, you know, unable to walk off the
Speaker 1: field under his own power. He did go down the
Speaker 1: stairs into the locker room under his own power. But
Speaker 1: that's David Andrews. That is a guy who's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting on any cart and being taken off
Speaker 1: the field that way. But I don't know what that
Speaker 1: injury could be. It's so were I mean, we were
Speaker 1: doing our speculating up there, but you know, first year
Speaker 1: hoping it's like just the Charlie horse. But he was
Speaker 1: really really hurt, and when they declared him out, I
Speaker 1: started thinking real bad stuff. So all right, um, what
Speaker 1: else do you want to focus in on? What do
Speaker 1: you have on your bad list that Yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: stuck in your crawl you need to get out. I
Speaker 1: mean I already said the thing about just how frustrating
Speaker 1: it was when they'd string a couple plays together. And
Speaker 1: get close to the red zone and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it was like it was like magnets, like
Speaker 1: you flip the magnets around and they start to get close,
Speaker 1: and they just there was this force pushing them back
Speaker 1: away from the red zone. It's just the execution and
Speaker 1: the overall focus of the team as they get close
Speaker 1: to the end zone. I mean, they didn't score a
Speaker 1: touchdown today. There's little reason to see why you think
Speaker 1: they're making strides in that area. I do like some
Speaker 1: of the things they did on offense, but the red
Speaker 1: zone and the execution when they get close to the
Speaker 1: red zone remains a mess. Hi boss Man Fred Kirtch
Speaker 1: joining us now in the post game. What's up there, Fred? Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, just uh, you know that game was like
Speaker 1: those Twitter videos you see and it says wait for
Speaker 1: the end. That's that's the way this game was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not going to focus a whole lot of think
Speaker 1: on the bad list. We took care of the very
Speaker 1: short good list. We're going to talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the way things went during the game. But I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: the the offense is a big, big concern right now
Speaker 1: and how they're going to be able to match up. Defensively,
Speaker 1: We'll give them credit where it's due, but offensively, if
Speaker 1: you're not able to move the ball effectively and you're
Speaker 1: not able to protect your quarterback, I'll take the win.
Speaker 1: I'll absolutely take the position they put themselves in. But
Speaker 1: it makes you wonder how things are going to look
Speaker 1: here in the coming weeks, especially when they have to
Speaker 1: put they got to get back on the field in
Speaker 1: a few short days. And then long after that, you
Speaker 1: knew things we're not going to be perfect when you
Speaker 1: saw could you starting and Win starting and Trent Brown
Speaker 1: We're starting where you're like, what's going on? You know?
Speaker 1: Up We're trying, you know, trying to figure out exactly
Speaker 1: what the level of health is for some of these guys.
Speaker 1: But this is a conversation we've had with a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys in the game. I mean, I I
Speaker 1: don't want to make it sound like we're doing any
Speaker 1: excuse making because it hasn't mattered a whole lot personnel
Speaker 1: wise who has been in during the year. There there
Speaker 1: are times when everybody is has done the whole offenses
Speaker 1: out of sink. It goes from the coaching on down,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, like if you talked about it.
Speaker 1: But I was really upset when they decided to go
Speaker 1: for it on fourth and three. That's my biggest thing
Speaker 1: on the bad list. I haven't got a field goal
Speaker 1: in a game like this. They weren't in field goal range.
Speaker 1: You punt, I mean punt. I'm sorry, you punt, and
Speaker 1: a game like this, you punt. Then it was second
Speaker 1: and two or three and Max sneaks. Now everybody's assuming
Speaker 1: that it was Max's call, that he did that on
Speaker 1: his own, but my inside sources are telling me it
Speaker 1: was a call play stupid. I don't care whose decision
Speaker 1: it was. It was a bad decision. I agree with
Speaker 1: the last part there. Yeah, I don't care who's whose
Speaker 1: call it was. If you sneak, you make you have
Speaker 1: to get it right second and two, you have to
Speaker 1: get it, get it, yeah, you know, but I hate
Speaker 1: that when you have second and very short and you
Speaker 1: sneak it. Yeah. I don't like that when your offense
Speaker 1: is good, right, yeah, exactly, let alone when it's bad. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: on second and short, two is usually a down and
Speaker 1: distance that you might like to get a little creative
Speaker 1: or you know, yeah, kind of dial something. Absolutely, you know,
Speaker 1: So I hated that, but the fourth and three from
Speaker 1: the thirty six yard line, you know, to me, it
Speaker 1: completely allowed. Now they got away with it because the
Speaker 1: Patriots defense just completely suffocated New York. But the only
Speaker 1: way you were losing that game was a turnover slash
Speaker 1: field position kind of thing where you know, the Patriots
Speaker 1: had a situation where they were punting the ball and
Speaker 1: they were pinning the Jets inside their ten getting three
Speaker 1: and out. It's getting the ball back around midfield. Just
Speaker 1: keep doing it until you finally score, right, and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you go for a fourth down
Speaker 1: from the thirty six you gets stuffed. Now the Jets
Speaker 1: have twenty plus yards of field position that they didn't have.
Speaker 1: It was twenty yards plus. We're watching the play right now.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, you're gonna go for it on
Speaker 1: fourth down? What do you do? Long delay sweep? You know,
Speaker 1: because that's been working really well. And so I gave
Speaker 1: them credit for you know, I did think they did
Speaker 1: some different things offensively today and showed some creativity. I
Speaker 1: gave him credit for that in the good list. But
Speaker 1: I agree with Fred. I think that was an egregiously
Speaker 1: bad decision by Bill Belichick to go for you. He's
Speaker 1: the guy who I don't even care about the play,
Speaker 1: just the decision to go for it. Um, that could
Speaker 1: have cost you the game. Now the Jets. The Patriots
Speaker 1: offense bailed them out because they completely stuffed the Jets.
Speaker 1: I can't separate myself completely. I care about the play too,
Speaker 1: because the play call was so horrific and just it
Speaker 1: it goes against you know, anybody with any lick of
Speaker 1: sense watching this team this year is saying like, well,
Speaker 1: you know that doesn't work. I know you. I know
Speaker 1: you've been trying it since camp and it's your shiny
Speaker 1: nude toy that you somehow think is going to be fun.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It's not working. You need to stop
Speaker 1: doing it. When should you? When should you really not
Speaker 1: do it on a fourth and three that you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be going for anyway. I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 1: many times you can double down on the decision and
Speaker 1: the play call. But it's both, and it starts with
Speaker 1: the decision. I'd get it if you just want to
Speaker 1: leave it, they're fine, but I can't separate the actual
Speaker 1: play either. UM. I gotta tell you this is this
Speaker 1: is really nitpicky. But the dropped interceptions, especially the one
Speaker 1: from Accordy. Yeah, it's right, it's just it's right there,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a veteran player, it's a guy
Speaker 1: that you expect to be able to just write in
Speaker 1: the chest. The mccordy one was bad. I cut Jonathan Jones.
Speaker 1: I assume that's the other one you're talking about. Jonathan Jones.
Speaker 1: He was laying out that'd be a tough guy. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a drop. The mccordy one was a drop.
Speaker 1: That's a drop. Um. I had that on my on
Speaker 1: my bad list of just things that really really bothered me. Um,
Speaker 1: I I'll throw uh. I just Thornton, I mean everybody,
Speaker 1: And I know, like one fumble that didn't technically count
Speaker 1: is really probably reason to land on there. But the
Speaker 1: more that we all watch that, the more real way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and just and I think it connects for me
Speaker 1: to the fact that we get all these calls about
Speaker 1: like get Thornton involved, you know, and it's just disappointing.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get him involved early and you know,
Speaker 1: he puts the ball in the ground. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you know, they seem to pull him. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I it was a really close play. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if that. I've seen a couple this year
Speaker 1: that were called fumbles on plays like that, two full steps,
Speaker 1: a third one really close to hitting the you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe not the third one that was a
Speaker 1: fortunate play. That's a touchdown. They're inside the five. And
Speaker 1: it's just the mistakes like this that are going to
Speaker 1: continue to hurt his development and keep him off the
Speaker 1: field and you know, not not make them able to say,
Speaker 1: hey this kids are going to make plays. Let's get
Speaker 1: him more involved. Now he's going to continue to be
Speaker 1: kind of in the middling, you know, area of receivers
Speaker 1: that aren't really produced. Like you know, as frustrated as
Speaker 1: wey are. If you're a Jets fan, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you have to be killing yourself. I mean, they've got
Speaker 1: a problem with Zach Wilson. This is a guy after
Speaker 1: the last game who came out and said, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: see them in two weeks. And then this is what
Speaker 1: you bole. Teams have the same problem. But I know,
Speaker 1: but they have absolutely no confidence in their quarter. But
Speaker 1: this is what you put up. I mean, he thinks
Speaker 1: he's good that's the problem. He thinks he's good. They
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's the difference. You can't We don't
Speaker 1: think it's three three with five seconds left from the game.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we're like puffing our chests out
Speaker 1: like we have. Both have the same problem. They have
Speaker 1: good defense, no offense, quarterback can't score. Well, you don't
Speaker 1: think if you're a Jets fan you're frustrated with your quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every bit as frustrated as I am as a Patriots
Speaker 1: fan right now. I'm frustrated that I can't move the
Speaker 1: ball and I can't score points despite as Hardy said,
Speaker 1: taken over at midfield throughout the second half. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: really don't take much solace in time of possession or
Speaker 1: the yards or anything else, you know, because again, you know,
Speaker 1: Socie and Zille were talking about this, you know, the Patriots.
Speaker 1: If I'll played the Jets today and they did all
Speaker 1: the Patriots, absolutely, I'll play the Jets today. What doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: What does it matter if you can't convert when you
Speaker 1: need to and score points. And I'm not going to
Speaker 1: put him on the bad list, but I'm sorry Nick
Speaker 1: Folk missed a couple of field goals today and what
Speaker 1: was not a driving howling win because you don't put
Speaker 1: Nick Folk on the bad list. I'm not gonna put
Speaker 1: him on the Are you gonna put him on the
Speaker 1: bad list? I would, Yeah, missed a fieldicles, but put
Speaker 1: them in the put them on the bad list then.
Speaker 1: But this is like an entirety of the game. You
Speaker 1: talk about who got out played today? Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: statistically the Patriots were able to complete more passes and
Speaker 1: run the but but so what some When it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, you scored three points on offense today. Three? Okay,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right coming out of the game. Which team
Speaker 1: should have more hope? If you got a quarter in
Speaker 1: your pocket, I'll flip it like, I don't have any
Speaker 1: hope for either team right now. If I'm the Jets,
Speaker 1: I have no hope. I feel well, let me put
Speaker 1: it to you this way. If I'm the Patriots, hope that,
Speaker 1: like the Jets have some degree of hope because they
Speaker 1: prove that they can show up and beat a team
Speaker 1: like Buffalo. How much hope do you have that the
Speaker 1: Patriots can go to Minnesota and went on Thursday night. Oh,
Speaker 1: they could do that. But anything that's possible. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just don't have like and you're talking about faith and hope.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can come out of that
Speaker 1: game either side. Maybe Marcus Jones can return whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't know. There's evidence that the Jets can beat a
Speaker 1: real football team, because they did they beat Buffalo. So far,
Speaker 1: the Patriots haven't done that. Honest question, honest answer. If
Speaker 1: let's just say that they go down in the punt
Speaker 1: return was three yards, they go to overtime, what does
Speaker 1: everybody think the outcome of the game is. So? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can come out of that
Speaker 1: with any degree of hope, like harmonize that I said
Speaker 1: about halfway through the third quarter, this game is either
Speaker 1: going to be decided by a a blocked punt or
Speaker 1: b a punt return. Yeah, I said it about halfway
Speaker 1: through the third quarter. Someone's gonna block a punt or
Speaker 1: someone's gonna return a punt. That's the only way someone's
Speaker 1: scoring in this game. Well, that's also because about half
Speaker 1: the plays in the game were punts. I mean, right again,
Speaker 1: So because my quarterback went twenty three for twenty seven
Speaker 1: and the other quarterback went nine for twenty two, I
Speaker 1: don't care neither team moved the ball and neither team scored.
Speaker 1: I care seventeen punts. I think your quarterback was shaky
Speaker 1: as hell today with those six sacks. He costs them
Speaker 1: points constantly. I don't know what what what the hope
Speaker 1: is for. All I'll say is that stare down the
Speaker 1: barrel of almost losing that game and what like the
Speaker 1: alternative would have been to blow that game. I don't
Speaker 1: know where the Patriots are had it. I just know
Speaker 1: I think the season would have ended if they lost.
Speaker 1: At least you've got some hope for the next few
Speaker 1: days to see. We'll see what We'll go to Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Every point you made about their offense and everything is apt,
Speaker 1: but you know it's it's these are these are good
Speaker 1: teams now that they're gonna have to play, so there's
Speaker 1: no more we were able to not let them get
Speaker 1: a first down after the second half, like you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be a whole teams like that. So but considering
Speaker 1: the alternative, I'll take it. Yeah. I mean, do I
Speaker 1: eliminate their chances to be Minnesota or Buffalo or Miami
Speaker 1: or Vegas or no, they could they could win games
Speaker 1: over those teams. I don't think they'll win enough of
Speaker 1: them not playing. You can't play like this. You can't
Speaker 1: just try to like play around your quarterback constantly and win.
Speaker 1: And I second and two quarterbacks sneak And if Fred's
Speaker 1: telling me now it was a called play, like that's
Speaker 1: playing around your quarterback. You know, I don't know. You
Speaker 1: know that they did what they needed to do to
Speaker 1: win the game today. I would have done the same thing,
Speaker 1: I thought, because I think the only way you were
Speaker 1: going to lose that game is turning the ball over.
Speaker 1: So did you initially think that it was a broken play?
Speaker 1: And Matt just decided to tell I thought he just called,
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I took it, Okay, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: But Freddy's got some inside dope. Well, to me, it
Speaker 1: looked like that, I mean, just the way it unfolded,
Speaker 1: like right there in front of us. I'm like, because
Speaker 1: I looked at Louth. He said the same thing, he said,
Speaker 1: what does that play? It looked like that was the play? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Uh injured. I hated
Speaker 1: when they did it with Brady. Was our team just
Speaker 1: dumb um? Yeah? But well talked about David Andrews, and
Speaker 1: we talked about isay when um Marcus Jones. Apparently apparently
Speaker 1: he's okay. He saved he saved the season, so evidently
Speaker 1: he's okaya. The Kurt's shilling the tape up his ankle
Speaker 1: that put me in coach, I got one more return
Speaker 1: in me. He limped onto the field and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: eighty plus yards later, I mean they are trying to
Speaker 1: get Smith involved. Oh yeah, you know. Um. By the way,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of Jets fans in front of
Speaker 1: us today as there you know normally are there's you know,
Speaker 1: pockets of the visiting team section, and it was from
Speaker 1: a Jets fan because we could identify his voice. He
Speaker 1: was yelling after another one of the numerous injury timeouts.
Speaker 1: There was the Jets higher down on the field and
Speaker 1: you heard this guy specifically say, oh god, come off.
Speaker 1: That was us up in the first pots too. I
Speaker 1: don't know how the game got over as fast as
Speaker 1: I don't need to seem like there was an I mean,
Speaker 1: there was all punts, all injuries in the game was delayed,
Speaker 1: but it was also all well, it wasn't all running plays. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. There were no offensive plays.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how the clock kept running and how it got over
Speaker 1: as soon as it did. Let me throw this out there.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Tom Sean Millers for sending me this.
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport says Patriots center David Andrews is feared to
Speaker 1: have suffered a serious thigh injury that could end his seasons.
Speaker 1: So said, my guess is that he broke his femur.
Speaker 1: He'll have more testing done to determine the extent. But
Speaker 1: now that's what I was thinking. Well that's what I
Speaker 1: thought too. I said it before you even came in,
Speaker 1: that it looked like a broken leg because the way
Speaker 1: he couldn't put any weight on it at all. In it,
Speaker 1: you know, that's it. Just it looked like maybe that
Speaker 1: was I mean, that's the most significant bone breaking. I
Speaker 1: believe me. I know a lot about it. I unfortunately
Speaker 1: know a lot about it. What does that rehab? Like,
Speaker 1: how long does that takes like a whole year? It's
Speaker 1: like six months? Then, well, it all depends on what
Speaker 1: kind of surgery he'll have. Like for my son, he
Speaker 1: had to have a plate with with nine screws put
Speaker 1: in and it was nine months, I mean six months
Speaker 1: before you could get that played out. And then it
Speaker 1: was another you know, like another month or so with
Speaker 1: him not you know, I think it was three more
Speaker 1: months with no contact. That's a very very significant injury
Speaker 1: for anybody. Broken femur if I mean we're speculating, I
Speaker 1: mean Ian Rapood says serious thigh injury, torn quad. I
Speaker 1: mean we speculated. To me, that's not a serious thigh injury,
Speaker 1: like serious to me is a broken bone. But all right, um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab some calls here. Anybody else have anything good?
Speaker 1: Bandage him. We're gonna take a break real quick, says
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Speaker 1: to be doom in gloom, but do you think the
Speaker 1: offense is going to figure anything out this year live
Speaker 1: from our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy Wow. Well
Speaker 1: you'll answer your own question. They're dooce. Did they figuring
Speaker 1: out anything today? I don't look like it. No. They
Speaker 1: had a couple of new twists, you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of plays. Well, the problem is when the Patriots just
Speaker 1: lined up, the Jets are just better. They're they're from
Speaker 1: is just better. So if if the Jets line up
Speaker 1: in the right the Patriots aren't going to have success.
Speaker 1: They had to use a little deception, especially once it
Speaker 1: got into deference and you know that that part of it. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: let us go to the phones here. We'll start with Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Mika. Could be Mica in Delaware.
Speaker 1: We'll find out momentarily. You're on the Patriots postgame show.
Speaker 1: How do you pronounce your name a little person? It's
Speaker 1: Micah all right, like like Parsons Like. I was just
Speaker 1: like racking member and watching that game, thinking about things
Speaker 1: I'd rather do than be watching that football game. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about listening to Paul talk about his fantasy team.
Speaker 1: I don't do that. Eric. Do you stand up comedy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like anything, I really, I'm just I'm just so happy
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones hold it out at the end there, because
Speaker 1: not like I don't care to we won at all,
Speaker 1: Like just the end of the the game, I go the
Speaker 1: prospect of like a full like ten minute overtime back
Speaker 1: and punt and punt and punt, and that was such
Speaker 1: a relief, give me out. But Paul got in a
Speaker 1: little bit trouble a couple of weeks ago talking about
Speaker 1: Minster Stevenson being the best player on the team. But
Speaker 1: we still have the same record if we didn't have him,
Speaker 1: And I think this is like a great example of that.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, obviously the stats don't bear it out,
Speaker 1: but some of the plays that he made, the broken
Speaker 1: cackles and things that he was like able to turn
Speaker 1: nothing into something like that's really great talent. And it's
Speaker 1: just it just doesn't matter if that's really the only
Speaker 1: thing that's going on in the field. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: you know, you're right, Mica, because today was a game
Speaker 1: that kind of illustrated the point. I thought he was
Speaker 1: really good, you know, but he averaged less than two
Speaker 1: yards of Gary Like he didn't he wasn't responsible really
Speaker 1: for any of their offense. That, you know, because any
Speaker 1: of their production, because they had no production. So even
Speaker 1: when you had an individual that played well, it's not
Speaker 1: really a difference maker at especially at that position. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean he hasn't played well. And I think
Speaker 1: he's he's played very well. And I thought Damian Harris
Speaker 1: gave them a little spark today. I thought he was
Speaker 1: had a little juice to his game. The thing that
Speaker 1: but again that didn't translate to anything either. No, it didn't,
Speaker 1: Mike it thanks to the call. I'll just say this, Paul,
Speaker 1: while you're watching the game before you know that they're
Speaker 1: not going to say get into the end zone and
Speaker 1: they're not going to do anything more than the one
Speaker 1: field goal offensively. As I was watching the game, I said,
Speaker 1: if it's not for Romandre Stevenson and Damien Harris, they
Speaker 1: have no offense today. And Stevenson, he was he caught
Speaker 1: all six balls that were throwing his way. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not just the rushing in the in the horrific
Speaker 1: you know average that he put together together for the rushing.
Speaker 1: If if you're being honest, you have to say, if
Speaker 1: it weren't for those two guys, it's even more unwatchable
Speaker 1: than it was. That's and I'm not giving him credit
Speaker 1: for having a great offensive day. I'm just saying, but
Speaker 1: absolutely those were the guys. That's why we put him
Speaker 1: on the good list. Okay, all right, yeah absolutely, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying to win the game anyway, It's my point.
Speaker 1: But the two biggest plays where Hunter Henry and Jono Smith, right, well,
Speaker 1: I think it was the run, the thirty yard run
Speaker 1: away Damien Harris twenty two yard runs really the Hunter
Speaker 1: Henry played. Jon Smith had a twenty six yard catch,
Speaker 1: the Hunter Henry reception. I think it was his only target.
Speaker 1: I know it was one catch twenty yards. That was
Speaker 1: one of the few players today that looked like offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: play acts. That's what I said about the design. I
Speaker 1: thought that they at least showed a little creativity today
Speaker 1: and squeaked some you know, they leaked some tight ends
Speaker 1: out into areas where they were able to catch the
Speaker 1: Jets out of position because when they lined up they
Speaker 1: couldn't move the ball in inch throughout the day. But
Speaker 1: they had some chunk plays today, it just didn't translate
Speaker 1: to any any points. Let's go to Eric in New
Speaker 1: Jersey on the Patriots postgame show. What's up? Eric? Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: First question, dude, you said you call him Mac made
Speaker 1: some throws that he hasn't made before. Oh what throws
Speaker 1: were they? Because I didn't. I didn't, I didn't see
Speaker 1: any of that. Um. So, I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like overall, like he's never made throws. He just to me,
Speaker 1: on a few of his passes, he looked more comfortable
Speaker 1: in the pocket than he's looked in the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. I'm not saying all of a sudden he was,
Speaker 1: you know, making all amazing throws that we haven't seen.
Speaker 1: But I just I just thought he had some places
Speaker 1: he looked. He looked a little bit more comfortable to
Speaker 1: me today overall than he has in the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Okay, I got you. Um, And I'm much
Speaker 1: of a homer. I'm much of a homer as Fred
Speaker 1: and I won't. You know, I won't. I won't attack Fred.
Speaker 1: That fall's job. But this this, I mean Mac, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, the offense isn't I mean the offense in general,
Speaker 1: you can just I mean, you can throw it all
Speaker 1: all in the same bags. I just don't know how
Speaker 1: like I've seen enough. There's just no confidence. I mean,
Speaker 1: watching this game, I was better off watching the high
Speaker 1: school football games. I mean, this was Cam Newton offense
Speaker 1: at UM. I just don't know how. There's just nothing.
Speaker 1: There's just nothing again, you can move the ball between
Speaker 1: the hashes. Uh, you know when you get down into
Speaker 1: that you know passage, you know in the red area
Speaker 1: of you know, past the thirty it's just pedestrian. I mean,
Speaker 1: at what point you know you can't keep hanging hanging
Speaker 1: your hat on Nick Folk. You know he's due for
Speaker 1: a bad game, and you know whether you know, but
Speaker 1: even Tom you got you got to muscle some balls
Speaker 1: in there. I know, you know Max doesn't have the
Speaker 1: strongest onm but at some point in your career you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to. You're gonna have to muscle some balls
Speaker 1: in there. And I mean, I just don't know how
Speaker 1: we take any any confidence. I mean, how many weeks
Speaker 1: is this that we keep talking about the offense not scoring,
Speaker 1: especially getting down in the red area that you know,
Speaker 1: at what point is it going to change? And I'll
Speaker 1: take it off the line, but I mean, guys, in
Speaker 1: the let's we gotta be realist here. How how are
Speaker 1: we going to compete with the Bengals, you know, some
Speaker 1: of these good teams when we get down into that area,
Speaker 1: and it's just I just don't see any hope that,
Speaker 1: you know, we can score any points. And I appreciate
Speaker 1: a guys, thank you. Guys. Well, it's assuming you can
Speaker 1: get down into that, they're gonna have to figure it out.
Speaker 1: You're not winning games on punt returns with five seconds
Speaker 1: left every week. It's just you have to have to
Speaker 1: figure out how to how to move the ball. They
Speaker 1: haven't moved the ball in over a month, that is,
Speaker 1: I think five straight games under three hundred yards. Like
Speaker 1: I mean it, it's just it's what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's what it is. They can't score, and until they
Speaker 1: figure out how to score, you're not beating any team
Speaker 1: of any significance. Let's go to Dave in Chicago Patriots
Speaker 1: postgame show. Hi Dave, what's going on? Hey guys, what's up? Hey? Hey?
Speaker 1: So yeah, one of the things. By the way, I
Speaker 1: love the show and just enjoying it. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: was cracking up earlier when you guys did that thing
Speaker 1: with the synchronized tie. Me and my buddies were doing
Speaker 1: the same thing. We're like, how's this game gonna end?
Speaker 1: We're like time, we all saw it happening. And but anyway,
Speaker 1: one of the things that bothered me in this game,
Speaker 1: you know, it's such a tight game and you got
Speaker 1: all the defense holding it down, is nobody's scoring and
Speaker 1: mac Jones is just taking sack as soon as they
Speaker 1: get down to the twenty yard line. It's just like
Speaker 1: he's given himself up. I know some of them, you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of got knocked over by Trent Brown on
Speaker 1: one of them, but there was one where he's just
Speaker 1: like an arm hit him in the leg and he's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, like they needed he needed to throw
Speaker 1: the ball away. He needed to do this Wilson thing,
Speaker 1: like to throw the ball away and you can kick
Speaker 1: field goals. Get three point yes, right, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Losing my mind they got to the seven, they ended
Speaker 1: up on the twenty nine. Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I was like, just get three point. I was like,
Speaker 1: six to three. That's the final sport. If you can
Speaker 1: get three, the game's over. Like I was just so
Speaker 1: frustrated by that. Um and um oh another thing kind
Speaker 1: of cracked you have you guys seen that meme lately
Speaker 1: with Lebron, where you know he's like predicting the future.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh yeah, you know, I watched the high
Speaker 1: school tape of like This Guy, and I called it
Speaker 1: right before it happened. That kind of cracked me up
Speaker 1: when I heard Faull say, you know, I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna have a punt return or like a block punt here.
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna end the game. I said it in
Speaker 1: the third quarter, and then it turns out you're right.
Speaker 1: Did you really say that or is that a Lebron
Speaker 1: asked Mike. I mean it's I mean, you can all
Speaker 1: feel it. Yeah. I mean if it wasn't that, it
Speaker 1: was gonna now I'm not gonna lie. I was leaning
Speaker 1: more toward the blocked punt because I actually think a
Speaker 1: punt return would show skill, and I didn't think there
Speaker 1: was any skill on display today. But you like Marcus Jones.
Speaker 1: I love Marcus Jones, He's my favorite rookie by fuck um.
Speaker 1: But I thought it would be a play on special
Speaker 1: teams or you know, a turnover. But I had mentioned
Speaker 1: someone's gonna block a punt or return a punt, and
Speaker 1: that's how the game's gonna end. I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was gonna be like on the last I was just saying,
Speaker 1: at some point in the game, I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was going to be a walk off, you know, Sean Jackson,
Speaker 1: like you know for the the Eagles against the Giants
Speaker 1: one hundred years ago. In terms of the officiating today,
Speaker 1: and this didn't have any impact on the game whatsoever.
Speaker 1: But there were a couple of bad play calls. And
Speaker 1: he mentioned the uh, you know, just in the in
Speaker 1: the punting game, the roughing the kicker call. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the subject for some debate up in our up
Speaker 1: in our section. I thought he landed on the guy,
Speaker 1: and that's a penalty five yard put five yard, not
Speaker 1: a fifteen. Yeah. And and the fun alley of that
Speaker 1: fourth and five, how many was it three times? Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, three times they had to do that? Played
Speaker 1: that we didn't get enough punts today. We needed to
Speaker 1: get a couple of them replayed. But watching it on
Speaker 1: the replay, I thought, in no way should was that
Speaker 1: a penalty even in today's NFL. I didn't think they
Speaker 1: got that one correct. So we'll guys talk about the
Speaker 1: delay of the game. Yeah, ten minutes at the start
Speaker 1: power outage in the trucks. I thought supposedly there was
Speaker 1: an accident on Route one that caused a power surge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we CBS truck. Yeah we noticed it when we were
Speaker 1: on the pregame show. The TV went out and all
Speaker 1: these TVs went out, and Matt all of a sudden
Speaker 1: went into like checking buttons mode. You know, but that,
Speaker 1: but that, So that just knocked us back ten minutes
Speaker 1: where they said everything actually just five Yeah. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Uh you say surge or an outlet seas, No,
Speaker 1: I like that. All I know is I got a
Speaker 1: chance to eat a delightful lunch upstairs of keish and
Speaker 1: steak tips. I didn't have any steak tips. I had
Speaker 1: to had a strip of bacon and chicken and make
Speaker 1: it down series in time for kickoffs up. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't mind. It was fun. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to miss a second of that game. I tell
Speaker 1: you that. Uh. Scott in Michigan, Scott on the Patriots
Speaker 1: postgame show, Hello, hey guys, how are you good? Good good?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Yeah, so a lot of the
Speaker 1: other callers have stolen my fun to hear about moving
Speaker 1: the ball. But I guess what I want to ask
Speaker 1: you guys analysts, we're all bemoaning the stack, but when
Speaker 1: it comes to red zone possessions, is it just total
Speaker 1: system failure or what's the one or two issues that
Speaker 1: preventing the teams he's scoring a touchdown, what are the
Speaker 1: issues that's preventing them from scoring touch What's going on?
Speaker 1: And you think it's just way calling, is a lack
Speaker 1: of execution? Is it all of the above? Ye, well,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a combination. And I think that the
Speaker 1: best way to put it is how we discussed. When
Speaker 1: they do pick up a you know, a big play
Speaker 1: on a third down and they get themselves a bit,
Speaker 1: the first thing that seems to happen is either a
Speaker 1: no gain or a loss of two on the very
Speaker 1: next play, and it puts it. It's it's almost this
Speaker 1: you know, resignation to where, well, we're not going to
Speaker 1: do it this time either, because now we just pushed
Speaker 1: ourselves back in the whole. Whatever gains we just picked up,
Speaker 1: what are this first down? It's going to be squandered.
Speaker 1: You you have that sense watching the game and it's
Speaker 1: got to permeate down out of the field quite Frankly,
Speaker 1: I don't know how Marcus Jone was able to bust
Speaker 1: free and go eighty four yards because the whole game
Speaker 1: had a feeling of it's not happening today, guys. It's
Speaker 1: just not nothing's gonna work today. The fact that he
Speaker 1: busted loose and made in the end. But to me,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is the short of the field. The
Speaker 1: more the Patriots offensive line is overmatched, you know, they
Speaker 1: just can't they can't execute. Yeah, I mean, and I
Speaker 1: would I would build on that and just say I
Speaker 1: think in the red zone all of the issues come out.
Speaker 1: So whether it's the play call, whether it's the quarterback play,
Speaker 1: the tight windows, you know, the confidence that they have
Speaker 1: within their scheme to throw with anticipation. Also the lack
Speaker 1: of downfield explosive scoring plays. I mean, they've gotten they
Speaker 1: had a few twenty plus yard plays today, but they're
Speaker 1: not getting into end zone, so they're not getting from
Speaker 1: far distance. And when they get into a close distance,
Speaker 1: everything is sped up. I Mean, we taught in the
Speaker 1: pre game how much time they spend in the red zone,
Speaker 1: how everything down there. It's such a critical part of
Speaker 1: the game. So I just think that is what brings
Speaker 1: out all of their issues, and it's hard to point
Speaker 1: to just one thing, but everything is on display when
Speaker 1: they get inside next week indoors, everything's gonna be fixed. Ye,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna get it all done in the
Speaker 1: next two days of practice. The players are good enough.
Speaker 1: I think it's a simple like we can talk about
Speaker 1: the play calling and all we want. I thought there
Speaker 1: were times where he had plenty of time to look
Speaker 1: for a guy today and got sacked. I thought there
Speaker 1: were times where you got sacked immediately. I thought there
Speaker 1: were times where they had chances to make some yards
Speaker 1: on running plates and they didn't. And then, like Fred said,
Speaker 1: they're just so inconsistent when they get down close and
Speaker 1: the field gets shorter. I think that's when when the
Speaker 1: other team, like you know today, can't we just kind
Speaker 1: of give the other team a little credit and just
Speaker 1: say the Jets have a better defense than the Patriots
Speaker 1: have an offense, just like the Patriots defense was better
Speaker 1: than the Jets off by far. Yeah. I mean. The
Speaker 1: point to though, is like it's one thing to stop
Speaker 1: them when they get to the red zone. It's the
Speaker 1: other thing that you're going backwards when you get to
Speaker 1: the red zone. And I don't really credit the Jets
Speaker 1: d with pushing them back. I credit the Patriots with
Speaker 1: being poor execution, stupid mistakes. You know, those things are
Speaker 1: killing them. Talk to me about mac Jones staying in
Speaker 1: the pocket. He loves staying in the pocket. For better
Speaker 1: or worse? Is it is? Is he unable to roll
Speaker 1: out and create anything outside of the pocket, Because what
Speaker 1: do you say, okay, is that Friday he missed Myers.
Speaker 1: He could have had Myers for first down. And he
Speaker 1: can't throw on the run, so he can't throw on
Speaker 1: the run. And by the way, he went down a
Speaker 1: couple of times easily today. Zach Wilson, Yeah, he did
Speaker 1: throw it away. He went down a couple of times
Speaker 1: today when he barely one time he went really uh yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was one of dietrich wises sacks. I
Speaker 1: think he like basically touched him and he kind of tripped,
Speaker 1: but maybe it was a trip. No, no, no no, he
Speaker 1: didn't get tripped. He like just kind of touched him
Speaker 1: and he like tripped over his own called it a swipe. Yeah, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: so that was that was weird. I just I think
Speaker 1: both both teams are suffering from the same issue right now,
Speaker 1: that they're working around their quarterbacks right and neither team
Speaker 1: runs the ball well enough to overcome it. Chris in Scottsdale,
Speaker 1: where I understand there are a bunch of homes who
Speaker 1: are going to be running out of water soon. Chris,
Speaker 1: I hope that's not one of your one of your
Speaker 1: places or where you live. Well, let's uh, let's hope
Speaker 1: for the best that not happening. Okay, good, Hey, Paul,
Speaker 1: I got a question for you, because I feel I'll
Speaker 1: get the most honest answer. How long is it going
Speaker 1: to take for mister Kraft to say this is enough?
Speaker 1: He picked the wrong guy to get understanding this. I
Speaker 1: don't know. In all seriousness, I do not think that
Speaker 1: we're anywhere close to that. I I think if there
Speaker 1: were signs that he's lost it, losing the locker room,
Speaker 1: the guys are not respecting him, whatnot, then maybe we
Speaker 1: could have a conversation that's might be a little different.
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that that Robert Craft sits
Speaker 1: and talks to Bill and says, you know, what are
Speaker 1: we doing in terms of our structure of our coaching staff.
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that they might do something
Speaker 1: like that. I do not think that we're looking at
Speaker 1: making any kind of a significant change in terms of
Speaker 1: the head coach. I'll explain why I pose the question,
Speaker 1: and and oh it's a it's a very fair question, right,
Speaker 1: Oh of course, And and but here's here's what motivated
Speaker 1: there sparked the question for me. If you, if you
Speaker 1: look at it, it's pretty systetic if you think about it,
Speaker 1: because if we're putting, you know, right down from the coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, like Patricia and Judge and what have you
Speaker 1: can obviously that's the train rank, and everybody predicted that
Speaker 1: and new that, which is incredible that if if you
Speaker 1: and I can do that, Paul and everybody else at
Speaker 1: the table, you know, obviously Bill should be able to
Speaker 1: do that, you know, right, And then if you if
Speaker 1: you think about just even the team that we've constructed,
Speaker 1: most teams in this situation aren't necessarily gonna tank per se.
Speaker 1: But we can't even I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'd rather see them not win, which which makes me
Speaker 1: it brings my heart to say it, because I'm a
Speaker 1: massive Patriots fan. But but when you know you're not
Speaker 1: a good team, you're not a good team. You need
Speaker 1: to position yourself in the draft. Right. But then I
Speaker 1: don't even have any faith at all, not even slightly
Speaker 1: in Bill Belichick doing the right thing in the draft.
Speaker 1: Well pick the guy would trade it down for you know,
Speaker 1: two picks in the in the in the first round,
Speaker 1: you know, number thirty two and thirty one, and then
Speaker 1: a lay fourth. I'm always, I'm always, I'm always amazed
Speaker 1: at that, And Chris, thank you for the call. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not dogging on you because you're You're hardly alone
Speaker 1: in this. I'm amazed at people who think we'll fix
Speaker 1: it in the draft. How are you going to fix
Speaker 1: it in the draft? How many? How many impactful players
Speaker 1: do you think you're going to draft that are going
Speaker 1: to fix things for you? But what do you mean
Speaker 1: by like next year? No? No, if you'll notice that.
Speaker 1: But that's what you need to do, though, you need
Speaker 1: to start, like you know, they had some contributions from
Speaker 1: last year's draft, They've had some contributions from this year's draft.
Speaker 1: Get some contributions from next year's draft. That's how you
Speaker 1: get out of this. You got to find a way
Speaker 1: to get some playmakers. Now, it would help if Taekwon
Speaker 1: Thornton is one of those guys that works out right now.
Speaker 1: He's just kind of man. He's out there, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't made much of an impact. But that's what you need.
Speaker 1: You need to find a way to get more dangerous
Speaker 1: than what they've been so far, I guess. But I
Speaker 1: see other teams doing it by by virtue of figuring
Speaker 1: out the non existing salary cap and just signing already
Speaker 1: proven players that can come in. And I know we're
Speaker 1: going to make it him to That's a tough way
Speaker 1: to do it. No team has ever really been able
Speaker 1: to do it that way consistently. You get you get
Speaker 1: a bump from it, like they did two years ago,
Speaker 1: like they got a bump. Would you settle for a
Speaker 1: bump right now as you're looking at a team that
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's really, you know, capable of a
Speaker 1: playoff win for a fourth year, fourth straight year. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just I'd take a bump offensively. They have to
Speaker 1: figure something out. I don't know how these last seven
Speaker 1: games are gonna go, but they need they need to
Speaker 1: change some stuff up. I don't it's hard to see
Speaker 1: in these seven games enough happening to prove to you
Speaker 1: that things can say vaguely the same going into next year.
Speaker 1: It just it does feel like they're gonna need significant changes,
Speaker 1: a lot of free agents at wide receiver. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see, We'll see what happens when Mac down the stretch.
Speaker 1: All right. Josh mcdanzez is listening to the show and
Speaker 1: he's like, there's six and four. What's the score in nine?
Speaker 1: What I wouldn't give? Yeah, cousin, Patty, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Pat Hey, Polly, I'm on record this Tethersday and the
Speaker 1: Playbooks saying that I thought Marcus Jones was gonna break one. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: I did you know. I did think it was going
Speaker 1: to be a twenty eight to twenty three game, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it was gonna happen with five seconds
Speaker 1: left in the game. But hey man, I'll take it, sure,
Speaker 1: I gotta. I got a feeling though, just watching this team.
Speaker 1: I mean, our defense through the spread from they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep us in some games, but ultimately I think our
Speaker 1: offense is gonna end up losing the majority of them,
Speaker 1: because I mean, just look at look at what's on
Speaker 1: the docket. You know, two games in Buffalo Miami, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a rough self, you know. And today was
Speaker 1: like eating blast watching in this game that was it
Speaker 1: was so tough to watch. But he wins to win
Speaker 1: and I'll take it and that's all I got. All right, thanks, Pat,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. He's on a record. He called it.
Speaker 1: He did, he did. I remember his call? All right?
Speaker 1: Good called it. Did Spi and Fresne call anything like that? Speed?
Speaker 1: What's going on on? Behalf of the unwashed masses? Hardy
Speaker 1: and and with all due respect to Christmas Thanksgiving, Christian Arkan,
Speaker 1: it's great having you back. Absolutely. Um. By the way,
Speaker 1: I actually did call the the return for touchdown, and
Speaker 1: my wife as us as evidence of it somewhere, but
Speaker 1: I called it right before it happened. I take my
Speaker 1: own credit. Appreciate you. We got you confirmed. I UM,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you guys about the coaching. There's
Speaker 1: two specific sort of sequences or plays uh that that
Speaker 1: that were just I was kind of puzzling to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's there was redoing the punt after
Speaker 1: the offsetting penalties with Miles Bryant back there, like Myles
Speaker 1: Bryant had done a non Miles Bryant thing and actually
Speaker 1: had a decent return, and then Bill's like, no, let's
Speaker 1: let's run it back now that we for some reason
Speaker 1: to have him out there. I didn't like that. And
Speaker 1: the other one was the two consecutive run plays, first
Speaker 1: the third and seven and then fourth and third. I
Speaker 1: think where you're running the ball close to the middle
Speaker 1: of the field in a game where like field position
Speaker 1: and you know picked up they happened, that's going to
Speaker 1: determine the winner. And I'm just like that seems like, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, kind of a kind of a mysterious
Speaker 1: play call. I wanted do your thoughts on all those things.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to remember them to Myles Bryan player
Speaker 1: don't know it was offsetting penalties though, and that's so
Speaker 1: that's not a decision, right, But I don't remember Miles
Speaker 1: Bryan having a good part return either. Well, it wasn't terrible.
Speaker 1: It was like ten yards. Oh, I think he returned
Speaker 1: from like I think he was close to midfield after
Speaker 1: that one. And then and I don't know, maybe the
Speaker 1: announcers misled me, but they said it was Bill's choice,
Speaker 1: and Bill elected to redo it. Maybe, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was the one I'm thinking of was offsetting penalties.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's not You don't have a choice
Speaker 1: of offsetting penalties. Do you replay the down? That's what
Speaker 1: I mean. But I guess I was misled by these
Speaker 1: by the Yeah, yeah I found it. I heard that speed.
Speaker 1: They were wrong if that's what they said, they were wrong.
Speaker 1: I agree with fred Um penalty on Hardy player out
Speaker 1: of bounds on kick off setting um in four out
Speaker 1: of the twenty five no play penalty on New England
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones offensive holding offsetting. There's no decision to be
Speaker 1: made there. What about the what about the running on
Speaker 1: fourth and three like close to mid field? Oh I
Speaker 1: would have punted. I yeah, that was that was a
Speaker 1: major down on my down on my bad list. We
Speaker 1: all thought the ball pin them down inside the fifteen
Speaker 1: and and just keep playing field decision until you get
Speaker 1: the ball in field goal range and win. A lot
Speaker 1: of people on the blog would say, you got to
Speaker 1: play the game to win the game. That's way the
Speaker 1: game to win, right. The way you play that game
Speaker 1: to win was to punt exactly, And so I was
Speaker 1: just kind of curious, don't take it off like overall
Speaker 1: in light of those and maybe some other you know,
Speaker 1: the penalties, the special teams looking spotted over the beginning
Speaker 1: of the game. I don't know what you guys overall
Speaker 1: thought about the coaching. Is it moving in the right direction?
Speaker 1: Is installed in the same place or going back? Verick
Speaker 1: it off? Yeah, offensively feels like whack them all. I
Speaker 1: think I think the penalties are worth highlighting two. I
Speaker 1: mean eight fifty five just only had three. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just sloppy play overall. And one more
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to just say real quick, Jeff House says.
Speaker 1: Patriots oil Isaiah Wynn, who was ruled out today with
Speaker 1: a foot injury, will also likely miss time. According to
Speaker 1: a source, more testing to determine the sent to the injury.
Speaker 1: But he also might be back and be fine by tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding at it. That last part you got me,
Speaker 1: I'd be right in line with that individual's text. You
Speaker 1: got me though, good job. And also that's a huge
Speaker 1: problems too. I mean, say what you will about win.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a depth issue. At least at
Speaker 1: this point, he lost. He lost his job evidently, so
Speaker 1: and U to Speek's questioned about what the announcer said.
Speaker 1: You can't always trust the announcers, either on TV or
Speaker 1: in stadium. I mean, for us. The PA announcer kept
Speaker 1: referring to a tackle by C. J. Mossley today. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you heard that, Like, Sarge, what was that?
Speaker 1: Our guyside the buildings, I'm mostly I most would know that. Hey,
Speaker 1: Chen Foster Grant, Thanks, I've been looking all over for
Speaker 1: these Alonzo. What the hell are you guys? Sam? All
Speaker 1: the way from New Zealand? Sam? What's going on? Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us on the Patriots postgame? What do you got? Sam?
Speaker 1: How you guys? Are you going good? Um? Okay? So
Speaker 1: I've got two queries slash questions. The first is I
Speaker 1: thought I saw Zeppy, which kind of scared me. Walling
Speaker 1: up before the pun rappin toushdown. He was talking to
Speaker 1: the coaches, he was all get up, he was going
Speaker 1: through plays and stuff like that, and I kind of
Speaker 1: got the steeling that they may have been thinking about
Speaker 1: bringing them on. That's interesting. I'd have to try to
Speaker 1: look at that. Sam. I won't twenty five seconds left.
Speaker 1: I won't derail you here, Sam. There was some talk
Speaker 1: in in the booth about the way Mac looked, and
Speaker 1: you know, he's taken these sacks and he's in the pocket,
Speaker 1: and there was some discussion as to whether or not
Speaker 1: he had gotten you know, I know, you can't say, God,
Speaker 1: get your bell rung anymore, get dinged up. But there
Speaker 1: was some discussion as to whether or not he was operating,
Speaker 1: you know, on all levels perfectly. So I have no
Speaker 1: idea if if Zappy was warming up doing anything other
Speaker 1: than just staying loose with Mac, which interest you know,
Speaker 1: the other quarterback will will oftentimes do. But that's just
Speaker 1: something maybe to pay attention to here going forward. So
Speaker 1: but what what was your other query, Sam? That's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, as McDaniels ends up getting the boot,
Speaker 1: does he come back. I don't think he's gonna get
Speaker 1: the boot, and I don't think it's gonna get it's
Speaker 1: gonna get the boot, and I'm not sure he's interested
Speaker 1: in coming back. But you know, stranger things have happened,
Speaker 1: true enough, Sam, thanks for they call. Um Breer said
Speaker 1: it again this week that not only is McDaniels not
Speaker 1: getting the boot, but he's good for next year or two. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The money. I mean, the money issue. It always comes
Speaker 1: back to money, right, And that's right. They're gonna give him.
Speaker 1: They're gonna give him two years, right, which I think
Speaker 1: unless there is some significant problems in terms of the
Speaker 1: locker room. I think you can't fire a guy in
Speaker 1: one year unless there's just in like utter ineptitude. Like
Speaker 1: and I'm watching the broncho is right now on red
Speaker 1: zone against the Raiders. Nathaniel Hackett looks to me like
Speaker 1: a guy who's never coached football in his life. Like,
Speaker 1: if they decide to pull the plug after one year,
Speaker 1: I would understand it. Like what do they do? And
Speaker 1: they're all like it's clearly short, and Russell Wilson's like,
Speaker 1: first down, no problem, Like you are a short Russell.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he gave up the play calling
Speaker 1: duties this week too, he did, he did, Um, so
Speaker 1: it happens. I do think there's a chance. Um oh wow,
Speaker 1: touchdown Bengals. I hate the uniforms. I do too. Um.
Speaker 1: I know everybody goes goes gaga on Twitter about just nothing.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Freddie? They're okay, just okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for white on white they're okay. But but you don't
Speaker 1: have to wait a white on on and you're ill,
Speaker 1: you're not of your right, he'd be ill and Michelle
Speaker 1: and South Carolina. Let's let's do this, Michelle, what do
Speaker 1: you Got's the hi? Guys? Hi? Do you wish you
Speaker 1: were lost in the wits for that game? What do
Speaker 1: you wish you were lost in the woods during that game?
Speaker 1: I wish I was lost in another country. That was horrible.
Speaker 1: So look, Mac is not making me feel any better
Speaker 1: about him. Um, I understand everybody's coming, who all trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what this offense is becoming, who's the
Speaker 1: cause of it, who's not the cause of it? And
Speaker 1: we all know it's a factor of everything, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think, and I called earlier, I asked the question
Speaker 1: about math, and so this is what I'm taking away.
Speaker 1: There's two days to practice. I have not seen anything today.
Speaker 1: He was in the pocket today where he actually had
Speaker 1: plenty of time to actually make a decision and not
Speaker 1: get sacked. That he could have ran out of it,
Speaker 1: or he could have thrown the ball away, and he
Speaker 1: didn't do. Our defense is winning as the games, and
Speaker 1: that shows you today right now is my belief. The
Speaker 1: second another thing is when um, who was who was
Speaker 1: a tight end? Who caught the ball today? One hunter
Speaker 1: enery John Smith, Henry when he makes a good play
Speaker 1: and it's actually a great Yeah, after a catch, Night's play,
Speaker 1: it's spread out. You can't tell what they're gonna do,
Speaker 1: and then they go away from it. But like the
Speaker 1: rest of the game, I don't get it well. And
Speaker 1: then when they get into the red zone, why can't
Speaker 1: I know? It's a store of field, but I don't
Speaker 1: get it. Okay, I can't understand why their creativity is stunted,
Speaker 1: all right, Michelle, Okay, coach who was trying to create?
Speaker 1: Right right right? Well, thanks for the calling. That's what
Speaker 1: I think it gets back to, is the coaching aspect
Speaker 1: of it. But to Paul point earlier, Yeah, it's when
Speaker 1: you get into the red zone. It's it's not that
Speaker 1: you know, the defense has a chance to pack things in.
Speaker 1: Your offensive line can't handle the additional pressure of having
Speaker 1: a condensed defense in there. This offensive line. So I
Speaker 1: think that's your easy answer in the red zone in
Speaker 1: terms of the creativity or the play calling or why
Speaker 1: they get away from stuff. One quick thing to add
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick press conference said, Trent Brown not starting the
Speaker 1: game was a coaching decision. Yeah, so, I guess Zoe
Speaker 1: alluded to some sort of discipline on the pregame show,
Speaker 1: I mean on the broadcast, but he did not mention
Speaker 1: on the pregame show when we were talking about the
Speaker 1: various machinations on the offense the second time we've had
Speaker 1: a mysterious by the way, Minnesota's um you know how
Speaker 1: high powered offense is completely doing nothing. Again, by the way,
Speaker 1: I know you guys all think that the Vikings or
Speaker 1: the be all end all anyway, Yeah, hardy, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: what prompted us Zoe on the pregame show. I think
Speaker 1: he was cold. Oh yeah, he came in. He came
Speaker 1: in to chat as hard he would say, quarterback chin
Speaker 1: wag for Zoe? What what was the last game the
Speaker 1: Minnesota play that I mean, did the quarterback look good
Speaker 1: at all? They have any receivers that did anything? The
Speaker 1: quarterback look good at all? No, Justin Jefferson, that would
Speaker 1: be a hard No. You don't think Kurk Cousins look
Speaker 1: good in the last Vikings game? No, he too. Two
Speaker 1: of the most hilacious picks you'll ever see one right
Speaker 1: to a guy in stride um. Justin Jefferson. I didn't
Speaker 1: say he played mistake free. He good? Justin Jefferson, justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: he very good. What was the other time this year?
Speaker 1: I'm blanking? Was it a preseason game? Trump? Brown was
Speaker 1: mysteriously just like not in uniform Carolina correct. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: the weird part about this is that whole thing that
Speaker 1: happened during the week with him maybe not getting the
Speaker 1: amount of snaps or maybe he was getting that to
Speaker 1: me is part of this equation here. It's just how
Speaker 1: bad is it that now you have to like lead
Speaker 1: on Isaiah Win who has been I'm telling you he's
Speaker 1: a big problem. How much how much has he run
Speaker 1: afoul of the team rules or the coaches good will?
Speaker 1: I mean, what do I think? You know? I know
Speaker 1: and degree And it's such a funny position, like I
Speaker 1: think back in like you know when a college like
Speaker 1: you know, like the coach is like sitting you, but
Speaker 1: then he has to put you in, so you kind
Speaker 1: of feel like, look, who's playing you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just a it's just a strange position. You're trying
Speaker 1: to make a point and you're like, crap, we gotta
Speaker 1: put him in now. And he has to play, and
Speaker 1: you know, how invested is he in playing? And is
Speaker 1: he kind of frustrated that, you know, he plays well
Speaker 1: again the game. Proud of you. I'm glad we got
Speaker 1: through that together. Yeah, I'm glad we worked that out.
Speaker 1: You guys are funny with the whole scenarios. Call entire conversation. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Chip and DC, what's going on? Chip? Hey, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: what's up? So? I understand that the offense is kind
Speaker 1: of a focal point of the discussion after this game,
Speaker 1: but uh, I had a quick question about the d line.
Speaker 1: It seems like we get through kind of the opposing
Speaker 1: offensive line pretty easily, but after that, it seems like
Speaker 1: we're kind of just letting the quarterback run the muck
Speaker 1: in that either results in um, you know, them throwing
Speaker 1: the ball away or you know, a completion, and I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of those should be sacked and dead. Um.
Speaker 1: So interested to hear what your guy's thoughts are on
Speaker 1: that and if, like other teams kind of deal with
Speaker 1: that or do we just have a particularly slow but
Speaker 1: powerful defensive line that's it. I mean, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they've had some problems with mobile quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: I think, But you know, overall, I mean there's four
Speaker 1: more sacks today. Um, yeah, he scrambled a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Yeah, they're they're among the league
Speaker 1: leaders in sacks. I think they've got some different stuff
Speaker 1: this year. I mean Mac Wilson is you know, I
Speaker 1: think he was struggling a little bit to the beginning
Speaker 1: of the year. But I mean they just have some
Speaker 1: new pieces to play with, and I guess that's why
Speaker 1: I expect a bunch of sacks next week too against
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins doesn't have a lot of mobile Oh that's right,
Speaker 1: he stinks. It's just I didn't say stinks. I said
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot of mobility. Did you You
Speaker 1: said he wasn't good last week? I don't think he
Speaker 1: played very well when that minute started. Sean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: In the Buffalo games a tough critic, Sean and Austin.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Sean? Hey, you know what it's just
Speaker 1: is killing me offense? Dude. I'm old. I'm almost fifty
Speaker 1: and I remember Bless before Brady. You know, I have
Speaker 1: to say to some correlation with Brady, not Brady. What's
Speaker 1: it called them? See point eight rating in that game
Speaker 1: last week, seventy one point? Is that good? It's not good? Well,
Speaker 1: are we're using the ESPN rating? No, I'm listening to
Speaker 1: I'm using the passer rating. I'm trying not to be,
Speaker 1: trying not to be, uh nervous. Four sacks, two interceptions.
Speaker 1: We never won anything with bless Yeah, why would you
Speaker 1: want to go to a super Bowl? I get it,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, Yeah, Bletso went to went to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Yes, and he won another AFC championship. That
Speaker 1: got you to another super Bowl? Right, Well, I don't
Speaker 1: And how did it work out for it? They won?
Speaker 1: Worked out very well. We get trade of Buffalo and
Speaker 1: beat the crap out of it all the time, all
Speaker 1: them things. I don't know what we need to do. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Patriots are better than Buffalo. Yes, you are correct,
Speaker 1: good call. Yeah, I mean, you know, make fun of
Speaker 1: Drew Bledso I mean, like we're comparing this to Drew
Speaker 1: Bledso poked the bear. I mean, this is what the
Speaker 1: offense you had when Drew Bledsoe was here on a
Speaker 1: consistent basis every week you couldn't move the ball and score.
Speaker 1: Is that what they had? When we're here five touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to record it a little bit.
Speaker 1: Him called Patricia. Patricia. Yeah, it's everything I love to
Speaker 1: read to say, Patricia, good, I love I love you guys.
Speaker 1: We love you too, Sean. I'm proud of you, part
Speaker 1: of your Sean, Sean. Listen to me, Sean, Listen to me, Sean.
Speaker 1: It's not your fault. It's not your fault. It's not
Speaker 1: your fault. Not you too, Sean. Oh Man, can we
Speaker 1: break please? Oh no, there'll be no breaks for you.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Oh? Good? Greet all right, Zack. See,
Speaker 1: we got some emails here there, so I'm not that
Speaker 1: we had to turn this into any like you know, Fred,
Speaker 1: you were talking about how like the Jets have to
Speaker 1: be so frustrated, and I totally agree some of the
Speaker 1: stuff coming out of their locker room. I mean, first,
Speaker 1: like Zach Wilson was asked if he felt like he
Speaker 1: left the defense down. No, no, okay, idiot um. And
Speaker 1: then Quincy Wilson not Quincy Wilson, what's his name, Derett Wilson.
Speaker 1: I got the quote right here. Yeah, it's like this
Speaker 1: bleep is not okay, straight up, it's not Okay, how
Speaker 1: many totally yards do we have? One hundred and three?
Speaker 1: That sh is not gonna fly. We got, we got
Speaker 1: the dudes. It's time to be consistent. It's time to
Speaker 1: win the games in there, yes, search of Francis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they they they have to be sitting there kicking themselves. Um,
Speaker 1: they probably played better than the Patriots in the first
Speaker 1: game and lost this game that Patriots played better than them,
Speaker 1: and they still lost. Like, yeah, and you lost in
Speaker 1: the last second on ten and and listened. The Jets
Speaker 1: are playing a little bit with house money. They're not
Speaker 1: ready yet to be, but they were one play away
Speaker 1: from being seven and three and tied with everybody else
Speaker 1: atop the division. And they just couldn't make that play.
Speaker 1: They couldn't make a play. They they had a terrible
Speaker 1: loss with Hall going out. Oh yeah, I agree, I agree, Freddy.
Speaker 1: But still you I mean, I mean, you really should
Speaker 1: be able to get more than hundred. And it's the
Speaker 1: same thing, exactly, you know, you really should be able
Speaker 1: to do a little bit more than that. It's the
Speaker 1: same I said. It's the same thing we say about Maxactly.
Speaker 1: They had more punks than first. I mean, some of
Speaker 1: those throws two, were you short hopping him? Firing him
Speaker 1: over guy's heads? How about the one the mims like
Speaker 1: there was like a third, It was like a third
Speaker 1: and seven. It was like kind of a slant and
Speaker 1: he just threw it, threw it at his feet, like
Speaker 1: what do you do? What are we doing? Bob, Bob
Speaker 1: in New Mexico says, check if you don't believe me,
Speaker 1: Matt Jones has only two tenths of a second less
Speaker 1: in a safe pocket than the average NFL quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that the pressure. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: he got sack six more times today. I agree. I
Speaker 1: don't think I agree with what what Mike was talking about.
Speaker 1: There were times where he looked comfortable in the pocket.
Speaker 1: He just wasn't throwing the ball. That's the first play
Speaker 1: of the game, that one. He didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of time on. No, but I was defend him on
Speaker 1: that one. No, that's why I'm taking the ball. But
Speaker 1: the play was designed to get right out of his heads.
Speaker 1: It was like a three step. You could see him
Speaker 1: go like that quick like it was it's not there.
Speaker 1: It was like a thirst step drop. Like Bob says
Speaker 1: that something was wrong. But I think it's easy to
Speaker 1: just say, well, they got sex six times, they couldn't
Speaker 1: run the ball. The official line sucks. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was that bad today. He had six opportunities today
Speaker 1: of more than four seconds. One of them he had
Speaker 1: a lot of time to throw and just sailed one
Speaker 1: way high near the sideline to Agalore. Yeah, the player
Speaker 1: had no chance. Mike Greenbriog said, had Zach Wilson played
Speaker 1: like an NFL quarterback in either game, the Jets would
Speaker 1: have swept the season. Serious with all Patriots, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's accurate. We're gonna hear from it. But if
Speaker 1: Mac Jones did, they might have blown them out twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Mac. We're gonna hear from Coach
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Speaker 1: head coach Police. He can win with a top fifteen quarterback,
Speaker 1: and last year we had give or take a top
Speaker 1: fifteen quarterback. And I know you guys talked during the
Speaker 1: week about the conditions of an experiment to sample sizes.
Speaker 1: All these things, right, Well, last year, what are the changes?
Speaker 1: The quarterback is his same But this year we've got
Speaker 1: a different offensive system, we've got a different offensive coaching team,
Speaker 1: one of our productive receivers, and Kendrick Bourne is being
Speaker 1: pulled out of the offense, and our online is absolutely useless.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying mac Jones has the potential to be
Speaker 1: a top ten, top five NFL quarterback, but it is
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly impossible to judge him in these conditions as
Speaker 1: to where his ceiling really is. And I think he's
Speaker 1: completely been rattled by what's happened this season with an
Speaker 1: injury the offense of the Chicago game. So I really
Speaker 1: feel like we're going to be stuck in limbo because
Speaker 1: you've got to give him at least one full season
Speaker 1: with some continuity. And I don't disagree with anything that's
Speaker 1: been said. I'm not a mac apologist, but we have
Speaker 1: no idea really where his ceiling is. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying his ceiling is extraordinarily high, but he has been
Speaker 1: given a raw deal this year so far, and he's
Speaker 1: not coping with us. And if that's the case, how
Speaker 1: do we trust Bill and this coaching staff. If he
Speaker 1: year's time to decide he's not the guy to find
Speaker 1: another guy and not make the same mistakes. Well, I
Speaker 1: guess I would agree with you, Adam and in that
Speaker 1: it's one is much more complicated. Yeah, yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: it's been a rough year for Mac. When you factor
Speaker 1: in the injury, you factor in the new offensive coordinary,
Speaker 1: your factor in the the you know, the change in
Speaker 1: the offense. And also I don't think he's handled it
Speaker 1: all that well. We'll see. That to me is where
Speaker 1: it falls, because like, what do you think of Brandon Staley?
Speaker 1: Probably not much? Right, do you think it's Zach Taylor?
Speaker 1: I don't thinking about it. Yeah, But I mean these
Speaker 1: are like coaches that are just like they're out there,
Speaker 1: you know, in charge of these young quarterb Actually we're
Speaker 1: finding ways to you know, Like I'm not putting Andy
Speaker 1: Reid in that because I think Andy reads a good coach.
Speaker 1: I think he has proven with him without Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: that he's going to be productive. I mean he brought
Speaker 1: the Donovan Nabo I think was kind of average at
Speaker 1: best to four straight conference title games. But I mean,
Speaker 1: how is Joe Burrow having success with the support that
Speaker 1: he has around him? Like, yeah, at some point, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta figure out a little bit more. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up this is the injury was huge.
Speaker 1: I think the injury in Week three against Baltimore like
Speaker 1: that kind of derailed his season a little bit. I'm
Speaker 1: going to give him some time to to sort of
Speaker 1: see if he can figure this out. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't like the way that the offense is structured. I
Speaker 1: don't I think that the caller just he mentioned a
Speaker 1: raw deal. I agree. I think he got a raw
Speaker 1: deal in the offseason. Get over it, Yeah, get over
Speaker 1: it and produce. By the way, Keith send an email,
Speaker 1: said Paul Parillo, I'm done with Mac the Hack. Wow,
Speaker 1: he says, I don't carell crazy. This sounds. I'd rather
Speaker 1: lose with Bailey Zappy than win with Mac Jones. It's
Speaker 1: time to go back the draft, find another quarterback or
Speaker 1: sell out for Aaron Rodgers while we developed someone other
Speaker 1: than Mac the can hack at Jones's mean mean on that.
Speaker 1: So we got to tweet about the offsetting penalties on
Speaker 1: the on the on the change of possession play, and
Speaker 1: they said the receiving team can opt to decline the penalty. Um,
Speaker 1: and then they would have to have the penalty incurred
Speaker 1: against them if they did that. I don't know why
Speaker 1: you would do that, right Like, so, so I can
Speaker 1: decline the penalty and then just move back ten yards,
Speaker 1: Why would you want to do that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. All right, let's let's hear from
Speaker 1: the head coach here after the ten three Patriots win
Speaker 1: over the Jets at Gillette Stadium today, here is Bill Belichick. Well, great, um,
Speaker 1: great team win for us today. Um. You know, Jets
Speaker 1: are are tough, like they always are. We knew it
Speaker 1: was gonna expected this kind of a game and um,
Speaker 1: you know, the best fourth quarter team in football, so
Speaker 1: you know, we knew it was going to be a
Speaker 1: battle there all the way to the end. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, great great ending there with the you know,
Speaker 1: with the punt return. Um, you know, we we came
Speaker 1: close on a couple of punt rushes. Um blocked punt
Speaker 1: last week. So you know a combination of Russian returning
Speaker 1: is a good yeah, good, good weapon to have. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, big day for us defensively, you know,
Speaker 1: a hundred yards total offense. It's a great job by
Speaker 1: a staff of players. Um, and all the units that
Speaker 1: played running game, passing game, pass, rush coverage, third down.
Speaker 1: You know we played played well on defense, as do
Speaker 1: the Jets, and and um, you know we moved the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, we had three hundred yards offense, but only
Speaker 1: three points. Um, so did a poor job of finishing
Speaker 1: our drives, getting the ball UM in good field position,
Speaker 1: in the score in range, or getting the ball in
Speaker 1: the red area into the end zone. So um, and
Speaker 1: I got to find a way to do that better.
Speaker 1: But it's good to do it from from a win.
Speaker 1: And you know, quick, turnaround here, get ready for Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and get ready to go up there and go on
Speaker 1: Thursday night. Bill, can you teach a player to become
Speaker 1: a good punt returner or do they have to have
Speaker 1: a certain instinct? And as Marcus Jones possibly one of
Speaker 1: those players would that kind of an instinct. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Marcus is really quick and uh I think Troy Troy
Speaker 1: Brown's done a great job with him. Um, you know
Speaker 1: where Marcus was when he got here and where he
Speaker 1: is now? Or are you know they're an ocean part
Speaker 1: and um, you know, Troy has really done a good
Speaker 1: job with the ball handling, ball catching, making the first
Speaker 1: guy miss ball security, um, setting up blocks, um you know,
Speaker 1: having visioned on the ball, the gun or playing the
Speaker 1: win so forth. So um, you know, Marcus, we didn't
Speaker 1: feel like he was quite ready at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the year with Miles, and uh then as Marcus got
Speaker 1: better and game more experience and confidence and then perform, well,
Speaker 1: then you know he's handled all the return game for
Speaker 1: you know, a number of weeks now. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: certainly there's some an eight skill that goes with that.
Speaker 1: There's certainly a developmental aspect. Um. You know, we saw
Speaker 1: Edelman who never returned punts you know, league league and
Speaker 1: punt returns, and be a great punt returner here um
Speaker 1: cred like Troy Brown who came in as a as
Speaker 1: a very good returner and continued to be you know,
Speaker 1: as good as anybody we've ever had. So um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: Troy done a tremendous job with Marcus. Mars has worked
Speaker 1: hard and he's really improved and um, you know he's
Speaker 1: had a number of big returns for us. But obviously
Speaker 1: today go into the house might have been the first
Speaker 1: one in the league this year. I don't know, but yeah, so, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously a huge playing a game, and you know,
Speaker 1: a great execution by the punt return team to you know,
Speaker 1: get Marcus started and then you know handle Hardy, who's
Speaker 1: you know, good coverage player Hardy Echoles, Um and Um
Speaker 1: Davis and those three guys make a lot of tackles
Speaker 1: for the Jets, so you know, if you can get
Speaker 1: them block, get it started, than you you know, at
Speaker 1: least have a chance. And then he did the rest.
Speaker 1: So um, well he didn't. I mean there was some
Speaker 1: other good blocks in there too, but that it was good.
Speaker 1: But our combination of Russia's and returns, you know, we
Speaker 1: try to you know, keep the pressure on their punt team,
Speaker 1: and I paid off for us. Bill Mac completed I
Speaker 1: think eighty five percent of his passes or so. And
Speaker 1: but obviously, like you mentioned, the offense struggle with points.
Speaker 1: So how do you kind of evaluate his performance between
Speaker 1: those two and obviously many other facts. Well, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: take a load of the film here and see. But
Speaker 1: we we moved the ball. We had we had some
Speaker 1: good plays, but not enough and not enough consistency, and
Speaker 1: we weren't able to get the ball on the end
Speaker 1: zone or get the ball close enough often enough for
Speaker 1: what our opportunities were. Um that too many negative players
Speaker 1: holding penalty sucks and and that was a combination of things.
Speaker 1: Um so we just we gotta do a better job. Hi, Bill,
Speaker 1: I know it's probably not the best time for story time,
Speaker 1: but just a game like that we don't see too
Speaker 1: often with no offensive touchdowns where a special teams touchdowns
Speaker 1: breaks it at the end. Can you recall a game
Speaker 1: and your experience where it ended like that in the
Speaker 1: final minute where offense wasn't happening. Uh nope, no, off
Speaker 1: my head and my memory is not that good, so
Speaker 1: they probably we probably find one. But yeah, you Oconnor, Bill,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that Marcus got off to a bit of
Speaker 1: a slow start. What did you see in him at
Speaker 1: Houston and in the pre draft process that compelled you
Speaker 1: to draft him? Who's a good players? What specific qualities
Speaker 1: did you see last He's quick, I mean return punts
Speaker 1: and kickoffs down there. He also played some offense, you
Speaker 1: know as converted receiver, so he's an explosive playmaker that
Speaker 1: that end up moving to defense. Played inside played outside
Speaker 1: in return kicks, so he did all those in college.
Speaker 1: It's a good player, hey, Bill. Prior to their punt
Speaker 1: return for the touchdown, Kyle Dougga came up with a
Speaker 1: big play there on not third down. And his game
Speaker 1: was pretty good today. Yeah. Um again, I thought we
Speaker 1: played good team defense and all to look to the
Speaker 1: film and you know, see exactly how each guy did
Speaker 1: and all that. But yeah, Kyle had a number of
Speaker 1: good plays that I know is you know, tackles, coverage plays,
Speaker 1: but there are also some plays where he was able
Speaker 1: to do his job and help out on somebody else
Speaker 1: at the same time. And um, you know, just a
Speaker 1: just be a physical presence and a factor in there.
Speaker 1: You know, also gave us some plays in the kicking game.
Speaker 1: So it's good to have Kyle back. You know, we
Speaker 1: didn't him in a first game against the Jets, but
Speaker 1: it's always good to have, you know, and you're good
Speaker 1: players back there, and so van kyleback was. You know,
Speaker 1: it was great. Bill. You guys got into the stadium
Speaker 1: for the last practice of the week that we had
Speaker 1: a chance to attend his media I think on Friday,
Speaker 1: and I know the conditions today were not exactly the same.
Speaker 1: But how helpful was that to be in the stadium,
Speaker 1: particularly when you look at somebody like Marcus, who's got
Speaker 1: to handle the ball in conditions like he did today. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it was it was the Marcus play, it was
Speaker 1: John who on the squipt kick, it was um. You know,
Speaker 1: just in general, the balls went to their their boundary
Speaker 1: or their sideline and jet sideline, and that's the way
Speaker 1: we practiced on Friday. The wind was stronger today than
Speaker 1: it was on Friday, but we had the general idea
Speaker 1: on Friday about the way the ball was going to go,
Speaker 1: and you know how we would call certain returns based
Speaker 1: on whatever the situation was, the distance, the field position
Speaker 1: and the win and so forth. So it kind of
Speaker 1: did play out. It's not also, it's not always like that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the can just and change from Friday to Sunday
Speaker 1: and the wind changes direction or a velocity or whatever,
Speaker 1: which it did. The velocity changed today, and I'd say
Speaker 1: the tough thing today was just the gusting. You know,
Speaker 1: when when Nick went out there for his field goal
Speaker 1: was pretty it was pretty still, and then when he
Speaker 1: kicked it it was really gusting up and hit the
Speaker 1: crossbar and you know, it didn't make it, but you
Speaker 1: know that ball probably you know, was affected by I
Speaker 1: don't know, five to six or eight yards, I don't
Speaker 1: know whatever it was, you know, just in that so
Speaker 1: it was you know, good kick, really closed, but you know,
Speaker 1: just just a little bit, a little bit of a
Speaker 1: difference there and kicking into that open end. You know,
Speaker 1: that was That's definitely a factor. But yeah, it was
Speaker 1: good to get in there, good to get the specialist
Speaker 1: to kick, and good to get the returners, not just
Speaker 1: the returners, but the guys blocking to you know, anticipate
Speaker 1: the direction of the ball and and you know how
Speaker 1: the return was going to be set up based on
Speaker 1: where the wind was going to carry it. U built
Speaker 1: where Trent had started every game for you guys this
Speaker 1: year at left tackle and wasn't on the injury report
Speaker 1: this week. What went into the decision to sit him
Speaker 1: until Isaiah got hurt? Uh? Yeah, it was a coaching decision.
Speaker 1: I built. Question about your punting unit this time. You
Speaker 1: have a new punter and with this kind of a
Speaker 1: weather condition, Uh, is there any particular adjustment you have
Speaker 1: to make, especially you know, shifting from Jake to Mike
Speaker 1: from a righty to lefty. Yeah, sure, anytime you change
Speaker 1: a position like that, there's there are some adjustments, um,
Speaker 1: in the punning game righty to lefty, and you know,
Speaker 1: just overall timing, certainly for a snapper like Joe or
Speaker 1: you chart to put the wall on the right hit
Speaker 1: for a right punter and left hit for left foot punter.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of an adjustment there. But then
Speaker 1: you know, also you know, Michael did the holding on
Speaker 1: the field goals, you know, for Jake, and and then
Speaker 1: Nick did the kickoffs for Jake. So um, there were
Speaker 1: multiple adjustments with Jake not available today that both Nick
Speaker 1: and Um Michael had to make. And in addition, you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Cardona, so you know, the rest of it's everybody
Speaker 1: else kind of you know, they're blocking assignments and coverage
Speaker 1: responsibility and all that are like all pretty much the same,
Speaker 1: but certainly the direction of kick, the hang time of
Speaker 1: the kick, and and you know the way the balls kicked.
Speaker 1: Nick's kickoffs versus Jake's kickoffs. There there are definitely some
Speaker 1: differences there that we um you know, had to adjust to.
Speaker 1: But that's you know, that's what you have to do.
Speaker 1: You know, you always want to play into the strength
Speaker 1: of your specialists, and so that's you know, we try
Speaker 1: to play into that. Bill, Do do you feel like
Speaker 1: your offense and MAC are close to a breakthrough of
Speaker 1: kind of cleaning up some of those mistakes are getting
Speaker 1: the points that you want or are you a little
Speaker 1: concerned that even from this point on it's just going
Speaker 1: to be a slog and a fight for this offense. Yeah, well, again,
Speaker 1: we move the ball. We just didn't have enough points.
Speaker 1: So we got to do a better job of scoring
Speaker 1: more points when we get down there. And when we
Speaker 1: get close to scoring points, you know, thirty thirty five
Speaker 1: yard line all the way to you know, get the
Speaker 1: ball closer to get some points on the board. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't like we couldn't move the ball. You know,
Speaker 1: we had you know, several good opportunities, but we just
Speaker 1: you know, penalties, negative plays, dropped the ball, missed opportunities.
Speaker 1: You know, just have to do a better job there.
Speaker 1: And again, get the Jets credit coach, you know, Salal
Speaker 1: and his staff and their players they have you know,
Speaker 1: they have a really good defense. I mean we all
Speaker 1: know that. So but we're gonna see good defenses, you know,
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year as well. So you
Speaker 1: know we just got on coach and play beat. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: thank you? All right, all right, there's your head coach there.
Speaker 1: After today's ten three win over the Jets, do you
Speaker 1: feel like they moved the ball today? I mean, I know, statistically,
Speaker 1: you know, Mac completed most of his past attempts today
Speaker 1: and through for two hundred forty six yards, and there
Speaker 1: was some offense. But I mean, just watching the game,
Speaker 1: did the Patriots move the ball effectively today? Well, they
Speaker 1: moved the ball at times, they did. I didn't say
Speaker 1: I would say that they probably should have had you know,
Speaker 1: nine points, you know, maybe maybe sixteen, But they didn't
Speaker 1: move the ball. They had two hundred and ninety seven
Speaker 1: yards of offense for an entire game. I know. That's
Speaker 1: not moving the ball. They got down to the seven
Speaker 1: and they got zero. Right, That's why some you know,
Speaker 1: at a field goal, you know, somewhere. But to say
Speaker 1: that they moved the ball, I don't think, Bill believe.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a pathetically low number in an
Speaker 1: NFL game. Now, it's it's a comparison to the hundred
Speaker 1: the Jets. But but I mean, in comparison last week,
Speaker 1: two weeks ago Jet against the Colts two three, two
Speaker 1: eighty eight. Last time against the Jets two sixty verse
Speaker 1: the Bears. I think it's is it five in a
Speaker 1: row or four in a row? Under three hundred year
Speaker 1: in a row what you're looking for. Yeah, they've been
Speaker 1: under three hundred four games in a row. Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: only broken three hundred yards four times this year. That's
Speaker 1: really bad. Yeah, the other two seventy one against the
Speaker 1: Dolphins and just to somehow to somehow for Bill to
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of chalk it up to, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we dropped a couple and a couple of
Speaker 1: negative plays and you know, credit to the Jets too
Speaker 1: that I don't think he believes it, but I shuddered
Speaker 1: to think if he actually believes it, like, oh no,
Speaker 1: we're really close because we're moving the ball. They punted
Speaker 1: seven times. Well what happened to them? Happens to bad offenses. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but there are times when you know, you just find
Speaker 1: a way to move and you go for it on
Speaker 1: fourth down, you don't, you know, make it or you know,
Speaker 1: you get maybe inside the five if you get a
Speaker 1: penalty and get put best. Not what happened in this game,
Speaker 1: like they didn't. They weren't on the verge of scoring
Speaker 1: touchdowns like constantly in this game. The way he's now,
Speaker 1: I get it. He's trying to he's trying to prop
Speaker 1: up his young quarterback, and I understand it, but it's
Speaker 1: not really the way the game unfolded. All right? Would
Speaker 1: you agree? Yeah? I would agree. A quick break here,
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Speaker 1: the phones, Alex's in California, Alex, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: What do you got, Addax? Going once? You only get twice?
Speaker 1: Good job, Hardy. Now I see that wasn't me, that
Speaker 1: was that was Marie Man and there I haven't show.
Speaker 1: You haven't dropped anybody making sport of me? Yeah? I haven't.
Speaker 1: Then this is the last call. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: drop you either, Lewis and Orlando. What do you got
Speaker 1: Lewis Fellas? I just want to hand this show on
Speaker 1: this No really, I don't know what's wrong with all
Speaker 1: Patriots fans, but New England six and four, six and four,
Speaker 1: and all we do is complaining about the offense, about
Speaker 1: the defense and all this shenanigans. But look at the Rams,
Speaker 1: look at the Cardinals. Go Ast Daniels over in Raiders.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you care about the Cardinals for?
Speaker 1: What do you care about the Rams for? Don't you
Speaker 1: care about your team? Like like six six and four? Good?
Speaker 1: Could you imagine being the Rams sitting there, sitting there
Speaker 1: and winning the Super Bowl? Ten months ago, like a
Speaker 1: bunch of idiots. Yeah, that would suck. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know who's complaining about the
Speaker 1: defense right now, not us. I mean, the defense is
Speaker 1: winning you games. I don't know. I hadn't really heard
Speaker 1: much criticism of the defense personally, the offense. You can't
Speaker 1: win by scoring three points. New England fans are constantly
Speaker 1: just complaining, complaining about the offense because they're not very good. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: did you just get here? I mean, if they want
Speaker 1: they won six Super Bulls. People around here understand what
Speaker 1: it looks like when you have a team that's capable
Speaker 1: of winning big. This isn't a team that looks like
Speaker 1: that offensively, So people are concerned about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think that's that's all it is. I
Speaker 1: think people are concerned about the offense. Yes, I hear
Speaker 1: you on that, But we've also had offensive teams that
Speaker 1: were their offensives weren't as good as their defense, and
Speaker 1: the defense carry us. But that's not going to happen now.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I stay positive. I think that the
Speaker 1: team is you know, absolutely, we have some work to
Speaker 1: do it on the offensive line, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But hey man, six and four making our way up there.
Speaker 1: We got a tough schedule ahead, But go Patsy. I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Lewis. I think that's that's how you end
Speaker 1: a post game show. Because I said, I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to qualify that it'll win today, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do do they got the win, I think that they won't.
Speaker 1: If the things that Mac were responsible for we're looking okay,
Speaker 1: people wouldn't be as freaked out. But you know, because
Speaker 1: you can fix the other thing things. But when your
Speaker 1: quarterback is having trouble, now you're stuck, you know. So
Speaker 1: everybody was hoping for that second year progress and we
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. That's that's the big thing, right And
Speaker 1: and not all of it is his fault. I think
Speaker 1: we all, you know, like tough to judge them in
Speaker 1: this situation, it really is, but there are things that
Speaker 1: he does that are his responsibility that aren't looking good
Speaker 1: as well. Absolutely, And by the way I said this,
Speaker 1: going back to last year, before we knew that it
Speaker 1: was going to be Matt Patricia and some dual role
Speaker 1: as offensive line coach and de facto offensive coordinator, I
Speaker 1: went back to going back to the last offseason when
Speaker 1: I was saying, hey, don't automatically chalk up Mac being
Speaker 1: better next year. That's not That's not an automatic thing
Speaker 1: for his second year quarterback. He can either remain stagnants.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they take a step back in the second year.
Speaker 1: And I think you're seeing a combination of some you
Speaker 1: know some some you know, bad cards being dealt to
Speaker 1: him and him not playing very well. It's it's a
Speaker 1: one two punch that you know results in what you
Speaker 1: saw today. Yeah, and then you can have both. And
Speaker 1: I think that's we spent a lot of our time
Speaker 1: trying to divide up the blame pie, but you do.
Speaker 1: And I think you just if you want to invest
Speaker 1: in a quarterback long term, you want to believe that, Look,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be everybody's not going to be
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady, but you want to hope
Speaker 1: that you have a guy that can overcome some adversity.
Speaker 1: And I think what we've seen out of Mac over
Speaker 1: the last calendar year call it is a guy that
Speaker 1: can't really, you know, lead a team through the adversity.
Speaker 1: If it's bad, he's he's not really able to rise
Speaker 1: above that yet, so we'll see it's it's it's been
Speaker 1: a disappointing and tough year for him. Uh. That is
Speaker 1: going to do it for this Patriots postgame show. I
Speaker 1: want to thank everybody responsible for this fine, fine program
Speaker 1: h and everyone who called an emailed, and we didn't
Speaker 1: get to most of the emails today to a lot
Speaker 1: of them though, and all the phone calls, so you know,
Speaker 1: we do what we can. Um, We're gonna see you
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Speaker 1: the Patriots face off against the Vikings. Who I guess
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be concerned about they getting shut out? How
Speaker 1: are they got only a field goal right now? So
Speaker 1: we'll see, she say, be concerned about it. I just
Speaker 1: said that Kirk Cousins didn't play very well last week,
Speaker 1: and that's the only thing that I said. And it
Speaker 1: looks like multiple facets of the Vikings are not playing
Speaker 1: very well right now against the Cowboys. Some might call
Speaker 1: them as some might call them a house of cards.
Speaker 1: I might call them a fraud. They should have lost
Speaker 1: to your Detroit Lions. They should have lost to the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, but they didn't. How are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: How did the Lions do today? The Lions? They did winning.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Your coach didn't go for a fourth
Speaker 1: down from like his own thirty. They would have beaten
Speaker 1: the Vikings too. Who picked the Lions out of the
Speaker 1: three of us today? To know you did? Rob? Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Good job, Rob. Final score for
Speaker 1: the final time Jets three, Patriots ten. That's for you,
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