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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. Guess what day it is? Guess

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Speaker 2: what day it is?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Everyone, It is the twenty third of August twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: and it is time, bitches for Morning Combat. Hi. I

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Speaker 2: am nearly one half of your hosting duo. My name

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Speaker 2: is Luke Thomas. I join you from the capital of

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Speaker 2: the statles with needles right here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the man who's been holding down the fort

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Speaker 2: with the worst haircut. He's now covered up with a hat.

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Speaker 2: Probably the worst die job I've ever seen too. It's

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Speaker 3: Hi, Brian camp This is not dyed, nor is it

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Speaker 3: a bad haircut. I'm just going I've committed again, Luke,

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Speaker 3: to the military cut. Not because I'm looking to echo

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Speaker 3: the unibomber. You know, they used to call me McVeigh

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Speaker 3: in my twenties because I had a very unibomber haircut.

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Speaker 2: Luke.

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Speaker 3: It was ill advised at best, but it's keeping the

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Speaker 3: grays away, which makes me feel young. And adventurous, and Luke,

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Speaker 3: you gotta fake it until you I don't know, you

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, because Luke, inevitably there's gonna be

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Speaker 2: I've already I've already answered that door.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Also.

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Speaker 3: Oh that is so good. Yeah, we had UNI in

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Speaker 3: I can't say his name, Luke, as you can see

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Speaker 3: by me wearing this Volcanos Demere shirt. I got no

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Speaker 3: time for your bullshit. But it is happy to see

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Speaker 3: you back in the chair, Mostly because Luke, the p

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Speaker 3: it would be okay. They thought, you know, your vacation

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Speaker 3: meant you you were fired and gone. No, we're back together.

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Speaker 3: We're here to bang twoey. We're gonna take over the

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Speaker 3: world like we always have, all right, so shut up?

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Speaker 3: So how about you shut the hell up and enjoy Luke?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I wouldn't mind, like, you know, six months of

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Speaker 2: Let's remind everyone what's on the dock at for today's show.

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Speaker 2: So we have UFC Singapore which will be Saturday, very

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Speaker 2: very early in the morning. But we'll get you ready

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Speaker 2: to Actually, the main card on that one's pretty decent,

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Speaker 2: even though there are some reservations perhaps about the main event.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that obviously. Hello ladies and gentlemen. The

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Speaker 2: shenanigans just because it's fun for the KSI who's he fighting?

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Speaker 2: Fury fight? Because Dylan Dennis. It was a cake made

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's the lowest form of entertainment. But

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Speaker 3: Called a nice tan from Columbia. Luke, you bring back

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Speaker 2: This was the first time I ever went to and

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Speaker 3: That's funny you mentioned that because Rashad and I yesterday

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Speaker 3: But I think I figured it out. I think I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Now BC, where are we? I saw that average Joe

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Speaker 2: Right now, let me ask a question speaking of touiletz

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Speaker 2: And uh, you have a social graphic, Mikey. Any kind

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Speaker 2: All star game, But I don't like there's no consequences

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Speaker 3: Robbi Lawler's retirement was perfection to me. This is not

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Speaker 2: That makes sense in any kind of way, Well, it's

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Speaker 3: Basically, Sure, he's getting a nice payday. It's a nice

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Speaker 3: So is chance. I mean, that's why I'm surprised it's

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Speaker 3: he's got a puncher's chance, Luke, but Max likes to

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Speaker 3: We could have here's the deal. We could have pockets

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Speaker 2: Certainly is not. Yeah, how about this BC pop quiz. Now,

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Speaker 3: Connor McGregor twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Connor McGregor, twenty thirteen. So I mean it's

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Speaker 2: early as twenty twenty one over Dan Egay. I went

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Speaker 2: Has I think like a sub four strikes attempted per minute? Right,

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Speaker 2: But nevertheless, we know this kind of like Cheeto Vera.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like, you know, maybe this is competitive early,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel in Nevil. This feels like a

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Speaker 3: There's some pageantry if you like these guys. And that's

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Speaker 3: exactly at based on that Arnold Allen very close, very

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know, Luke. So when chins go, they

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00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 3: tend to go off the cliff. But I don't think

428
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 3: we should rule off completely the idea that TKZ is

429
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Speaker 3: going to test his chin a bit at times.

430
00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either.

431
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 3: Single shots, but yeah, there's gonna be there's gonna be

432
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 3: a taste. He's going to get a taste of it,

433
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,160
Speaker 3: so we'll see.

434
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty fair. I think it's pretty fair

435
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 2: that he will be able to land. So dude, Max

436
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 2: puts some Listen, we're talking about the numbers of Max

437
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 2: and what he's dishing out, but how about what he's absorbing.

438
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 2: He absorbs more significant strikes per minute than the Korean zombie.

439
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: He absorbs four point seventy nine chance on Jung four

440
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 2: point three five, So not a huge difference. I'm just

441
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 2: pointing out, dude, like, yes, he absolutely eats a fair

442
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 2: amount of shots in order to get him. So we

443
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 2: talked about like these guys who had these You know,

444
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 2: Max in that Calvin Cator fight had fashioned himself literally

445
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 2: talking to the commentator the commentator table while the match

446
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 2: is going on, that I'm the best boxer in the UFC,

447
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 2: And of course you can debate that he would be

448
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 2: along the shortlist I think anyway no matter what. But

449
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 2: when you have that kind of style, you put yourself

450
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 2: in the line of fire and you just really have

451
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 2: to be very, very durable to make that work. Max

452
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: has historically proven to be. But yeah, Korean Zombie is

453
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: going to land on him. There's just really no doubt

454
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 2: about it. It's just a question is can land on

455
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 2: him enough with the amount of time that Max is

456
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: going to be pushing into him. I wonder about that.

457
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: That's the part of thy Can I make.

458
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 3: A featherweight request? Here? Do you like this idea? It

459
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 3: speaks more to me. Uh, Brian Ortega versus Arnold Allen?

460
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 2: I don't hate it. I don't hate it. What would

461
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: be the allure of it? In your mind?

462
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 3: Uh? Find out who's gonna put themselves in like the

463
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 3: on deck circle for another for a title shot? I

464
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 3: mean you could you know yet that that sounds ambitious

465
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: based on where both are at but like it'd be

466
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 3: an important fight in terms of coming or going for both.

467
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 2: Really yeah, I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't hate it,

468
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be mad at it. That's a curious

469
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: matchup because Arnold Allen is a very good grappler, and

470
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 2: I think you'd be. Obviously, any anyone going against Ortega

471
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: is going to be inherently really defensive. You know, yeah,

472
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: i'd be, and you know on the feet too. He

473
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: picks his shots very carefully. That's an interesting matchup because

474
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Speaker 2: I would Ortega is kind of wide open and just

475
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: tons of offense, not much defense, whereas Arnold Allen is

476
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: very defensively sound relatively speaking, and offensively potent but more measured.

477
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 2: I wonder what kind of fight you would get with that.

478
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question.

479
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 3: Well here's what I think. Whoever fights Arnold Allen next

480
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: is gonna be in danger of getting knocked out because

481
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 3: I think he learned in a necessary loss against Holloway

482
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: where they both fought great in my opinion, and he

483
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 3: came up just short. I think he learned Luke that

484
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 3: he started too late, right when he started, when he

485
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: was rushing in the fifth round, to make something happen.

486
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 3: It was sort of like, damn, maybe we should have

487
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 3: been rushing this whole fight like it could be there

488
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: for you. Obviously, you got to manage that, guess think.

489
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 3: But I feel like he's gonna come out and throw

490
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: high volume bombs against whoever he fights next, and educated.

491
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot to his swivel swiveling sort

492
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: of dynamics switching style at times. But yeah, I think

493
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: he's going to be offensively, very aggressive. And he's got

494
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: a great T shirt now that Average Joe Art created

495
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: for Pacer Allen's Jim that I'd love to be outfitted

496
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: in one of those, to be honest with you.

497
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. I mean the lesson I hope

498
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,239
Speaker 2: he takes from that is that, you know, he's got

499
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: high fight IQ and all these guys who have high

500
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: fight IQ, they make a point to not fight stupid, right,

501
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: which is entirely the point. But sometimes a high fight

502
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: IQ style can be overly defensive, right, That can happen.

503
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 2: And I think he got trapped a little bit being like, Okay,

504
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to against Max Holloway, I gotta be on

505
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: my p's and q's, which is in general, I think

506
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 2: very much the correct sentiment. But what he realized late

507
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: was Okay, that's very valuable, but that's not going to

508
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 2: win me the fight. I gotta do a little bit more.

509
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: And then we really stepped on the gas pedal. He

510
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: got a bit of a different result. Again, a little

511
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: bit too little, too late, but nevertheless interesting point.

512
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 3: Look, the question that's conjectually related to this. You probably

513
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 3: won't like it, but I'm not afraid to throw it

514
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: at you. If we did, like an RSD with Pacer Allen,

515
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 3: like at the Allen House, would you allow him to

516
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 3: inject you in the buttocks on camera just for the

517
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: love of the art. Look, okay, by are I mean

518
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: both your love of performance enhancing drugs and you.

519
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: Know great great content? You know what? Sure? Sure? I

520
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 2: mean no one's gonna pay for us to do that,

521
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: so I can just confidently just make up bullshit about

522
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do. You know what I'm saying.

523
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: Yea.

524
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: So there you have it. B See, this card is

525
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: actually pretty good in general, is what I would say,

526
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: at least for the main card itself. Let's get to

527
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: some of these other contests on here if we can, well.

528
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: Can we talk about this the real main event, Luke,

529
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 3: the I don't want to say the people's main event

530
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: because that's normally a I mean, I guess it falls

531
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: under this consideration. But then I got like aerial defending

532
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: that he created that. When wasn't it like Dwayne Johnson?

533
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, Luke. The whole point is, please can

534
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: we talk about Aaron Blanchfield and Tyler Santos because that

535
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 3: fight is fan friggantastic, Luke in what a time for it?

536
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 3: With the bottleneck atop this division so.

537
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: We can get to it and it's not the co

538
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: main event. We'll talk about that a little bit later

539
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 2: since Pecie wants to jump down here, which I'm okay

540
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: with the comin event. Just for clarification, Anthony Smith remap

541
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 2: Ryan Span a weird one there, but as BC indicated,

542
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Blanchfield at one hundred and twenty five pounds taking

543
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: on Tyla Santos. Aaron Blanchfield enters this contest twenty four

544
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: years of age, fresh off that Jessica onrodge Win Tyler

545
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: Santos sitting at thirty years of age. She is coming

546
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: in after losing the Valentina Schifchenko split decision, and then

547
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: she has a series of issues with her coaches and

548
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: everything else. Here she goes BC. We've been on the

549
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: Aaron Blanchfield Chu Chu train in terms of like the

550
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: hype going into not just this fight, but even the

551
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: last one. We've been big believers about what she can do.

552
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: She has well, she's good at everything. Tyla Santo's obviously

553
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: very good on the ground. Assess this matchup for me,

554
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: how do you think this fight will look?

555
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 3: Well, Here's what's interesting is I think the knee jerk

556
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: reaction is to think, what's the biggest unknown and you

557
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 3: want to say, well, for somebody who's rising like Blanchefield,

558
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: it's okay. How is she going to look at this level?

559
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: Is there possible that she could steamroll Tyler Santos in

560
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: a way that we're not even a man imagining but

561
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: would be in line with what she just did. But

562
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: I have to flip that upside down, Luke. I'm most

563
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: intrigued to see after this long layoff, where Tyler Santos

564
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: is at. You know, I know there's been there's injuries

565
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: in there, like you mentioned, there's been some you know,

566
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: negative chatter with the team and all of that in

567
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: her connection to her trainers and the payment. But here's

568
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: the thing, Luke, she came that frigging close to beating Valentina,

569
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 3: like legitimately beating her, and she, you know, she did

570
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: it on the ground in a lot of ways. That's

571
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: also Blanchefield's home. So, Luke, I guess my biggest thing

572
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: here is if is there a chance that grappling ends

573
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: up canceling it out and we find out who's you know, look,

574
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: the winner's gonna have a shot at raising their hand

575
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 3: and saying I should be next after the grossow Chefchenko rematch.

576
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: If this comes down to a kickboxing matchup between two grapplers,

577
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: that could be interesting just to see exactly where Blanchfield

578
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 3: is at. Like she took a couple of shots from Androz,

579
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 3: took it well. We've seen her be good with her hand.

580
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: It's it's usually to service her takedowns, of course, but

581
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 3: she's evolving pretty quickly in that regard to I just

582
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: have more questions about, like can Talia replicate that? I

583
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: know for Tiago Santo's the difference in coming off of

584
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: that long layoff after the title shot against John Jones

585
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 3: was you know, he had two legs completely surgically repaired.

586
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 3: So it was sort of like, at his age, what

587
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: does he really have left that he cashed it all

588
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: out in that night. Turns out he did, Luke, It's

589
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: not that same scenario with Tyler. But I don't know

590
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: who's gonna win this fight. I don't know who's gonna

591
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: have the edge here because this blanche Field thing has

592
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 3: been taken taking grasp of what my perceptions are. I'm

593
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: not thinking large enough apparently for Aaron Blanchfield. Luke, she's

594
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 3: here like she's calming. I know, I just cheerleaded around

595
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 3: in a circle for about two minutes, but I really

596
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: enjoyed it.

597
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't even know what you were saying,

598
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: which I tend to do.

599
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: It just felt great. Just how wrong.

600
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: To answer some of the things you were raising her.

601
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: Let's go over some of these numbers before we talk

602
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: about the canceling out part. Let's imagine that there actually

603
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: is sometimes you know what you're right, like, you can't

604
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: go into like a grappler versus grappler contest and not

605
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: have a conversation about how it might cancel each other out,

606
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: and then they just duke it out on the feet

607
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: and it ends up not being much. The problem for that,

608
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: for for me is that if Santo's does that, she's

609
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 2: gonna get She's gonna get boxed up like she cannot.

610
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: I would be very surprised if she can hang for

611
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: very long with someone like Aaron Blanchfield. A because Blanchfield

612
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: is better and B because she puts a pace on her.

613
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: We were talking about Max Holloway's strikes landing permitted. How

614
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 2: about Aaron Blanchfield six point oh six, Folks, A lot

615
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: of ranked high level fighters are in the threes and fours.

616
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: She's at six six Tyla Santo's just three point three five.

617
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: That's much more. I mean, it's a fine number, it's

618
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: not a bad number. But you know, Blanchefield's at the

619
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: nearly double, that nearly double that strikes absorbed three point

620
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: two two for Blanchfield two point four to three, which

621
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: is good for Tyler Santos. So she doesn't eat as

622
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: much on the feet because she's obviously much more hesitant defensive,

623
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 2: only throws when she has to. Kind of a scenario.

624
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: They both have similar numbers in terms of accuracy and defense.

625
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: But BC this is where it gets kind of interesting.

626
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: In the grappling department. Let me read you Santos's numbers.

627
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: Takedowns per fifteen minutes two point twenty nine. That's high.

628
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: That's high. So that means, you know, in a fifteen

629
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: minute fight, she's good for at least takedown for you know,

630
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: two of the rounds, maybe a little bit more. Take

631
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: down accuracy nearly ninety percent eighty eight, that's high. Take

632
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: down defense seventy eight percent, that's high. And then submissions

633
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: per fifteen minutes one point three. Here's the problem. She's

634
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: up against takedowns per fifteen minutes for Aaron Blanchfield three

635
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: point seventy six. That means she is good for at

636
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: least a takedown per round in a fight, at least

637
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: take down accuracy sixty three percent, which is a little

638
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: bit lower, but you know Habib has it at fifty

639
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: because she'll he'll chain them together, so that number isn't

640
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: all that indicative. Take down defense almost identical, seventy seven percent,

641
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: submission average one point six. Here's the issue for me.

642
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: I think that the pure jiu jitsu of Santos is

643
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: probably going to be better. So if she's ab to

644
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: get a back take or back exposure that could be

645
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: a problem for Aaron Blanchfield, at least in theory as

646
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: we assess the fight here on Wednesday, But by Saturday,

647
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: this is the reality. Blanchfield is just a much better wrestler,

648
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: just a much better wrestler, And you always want to

649
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: compete on your terms. Counterfighting can also be your terms.

650
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, if you're gonna have a jiu jitsu exchange,

651
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,239
Speaker 2: you want it to be on your terms. If you're

652
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: gonna have a wrestling battle, you want it to be

653
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: on your terms. When you can wrestle to the degree

654
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: that she can align with everything else, you are much

655
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: more able to put it on your terms. Then you

656
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: combine everything BCE with the striking realities. This is to

657
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: me the clear choice, or I would say I would

658
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: not even a choice. Rather, this is the clear challenge

659
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: that I think Santos is up against. She has to

660
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: make this a jiu jitsu battle, not I have mma

661
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: grappling battle, but like a real jiu jitsu battle, where

662
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: if she's gonna work from guard, she has to be

663
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: threatening the entire time. She has to be creating back

664
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: exposure or finding ways to get to the back, because

665
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: without that dude, she's just overmatched, Like she's just physically overmatched.

666
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: I think she's wrestling overmatched. She is most certainly striking overmatched.

667
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: And we've just seen dude, Aaron Blanchfield is an absolute locomotive.

668
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: So you're very she's in there. I'm not saying we

669
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: all don't have full reason to be really high on

670
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: Blanchfield across the board. I just told you, I'm like

671
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: recalibrating what I believe it's possible because she's busting through.

672
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: But that's very confident sounding from you that she would

673
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 3: essentially dominate a striking matchup. I'm not sure, Luke. I mean,

674
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: Tyler Santos is huge for this division. I get that

675
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: her strengths are there on the ground, but I don't

676
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: know if we've seen enough from Blanchfield in like a

677
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: sustained competitive fight back and forth. The one thing about

678
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: her is is she's been steamrolling. So you do get

679
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: that sort of thing where when it's going your way

680
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: and you're setting the terms, man, you look great. Can

681
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: Tyler Santo's level that out, or at the very least

682
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: there's some back and forth and we get to see

683
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: that what kind of adjustments, what type of IQ Aaron

684
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: Blanchfield has. I don't know if we have that evidence yet.

685
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: I guess we don't. And in to the level you're

686
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: pointing out with this kind of a talented grappler, if

687
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: you look at the fights that Aaron Blanchfield has had

688
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: to this point, Jessica and Rodge, Moley McCann, jj Aldrich,

689
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: Miranda Maverick, and Sarah Alper, these are good fighters. But

690
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: in terms of the pure jiu jitsu skills, Tyla Santos

691
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: definitely represents a unique and enhanced threat should be noted.

692
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: And we had Aaron Blanchfield on the RST couch. She

693
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: was supposed to fight Tyla Santo's at that time. It

694
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: got changed. She fought Androge and then rolled through her,

695
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: and now there's questions about, okay, well where is Androge

696
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: at this point? She took that fight out short notice.

697
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: So to your point, this is why this fight is great.

698
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: I like this fight. I like this fight a lot.

699
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: You know, whether or not you want to say Santos

700
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: beat Chevchenko, she certainly showed some problems that Chefchenko has

701
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: and exposed many of them. And you wonder if she

702
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: could do that to Schifchenko could she do that to

703
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: Aaron Blanchfield. It's it's a great question. Our friends at

704
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: Caesar's BC have this fight as Blanchfield as a slight favorite.

705
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: This is what I'm talking about, minus one forty to

706
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: Tyla Santos's plus one twenty. I think that's fair. I

707
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: think that's fair. Santos has a lot of experience. She

708
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: has an acent hole in our acep er sleeve rather

709
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: in terms of the skills and for the on the

710
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: matt jiu jitsu wise, but all the other things we've

711
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: mentioned about Blanchefield probably give her a little bit of

712
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: an edge and that might be enough in the end.

713
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: I mean, look, Blanchfield is a savage and that does

714
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: matter when you're handicapping these matchups. I mean, she's absolutely

715
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: in it to win it in efficient, in dominant, violent fashion.

716
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: She is coming on right now. I just want to

717
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: see as Tyler Santos more of the ilk of a

718
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 3: Dominic Reeis and Alexander Gustavsen, the aforementioned Thiago Santos where

719
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: very good fighters, but for one night they were seemingly great.

720
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: Kelvin Gasolim against Adasania and came up just short. But

721
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: then we're really never able to truly replicate that performance

722
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: where it's almost says if their biggest loss is their

723
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: best win, because we got to see them on the

724
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: championship level and they look great, but they never quite

725
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: either were that or Look, sometimes you have a career

726
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: best night on your best night, Luke, and that's great,

727
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: but it also can fog the goggles to try to

728
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 3: figure out exactly where you are. Both fighters have questions

729
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: of exactly in my mind where they are and how

730
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: they match up with one another. But you also are

731
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: going to have to win exciting or thorough enough to

732
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: best what's gonna happen in that Rosnami Unis Minola faroh fight. Look,

733
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 3: this title picture is great, but it probably comes down

734
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: to the best looking performance out of those two true

735
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: or false.

736
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: Yes or you know dude. We often talk about title

737
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: shots being like, oh what audition did someone turn in?

738
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: Dude?

739
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: These days it's like are you healthy? You know what

740
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: I mean? Can you make this date on the calendar?

741
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: You know, irrespective of anything else, it's almost more important.

742
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: So in addition to getting yes an important and impressive win,

743
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: let's see how healthy that the winners come out of

744
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: this and that may dictate a lot. Now, BC, I

745
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: want to point out something here. Let's go through Blanchfield's fights.

746
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: I wanted to show you one thing. So when she

747
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: fought Andras, she got credited with one takedown. When she

748
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 2: fought McCann, she got credited with the takedown. Against Miranda Mavericks,

749
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 2: she got seven takedowns. I think in her UC debut

750
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: against Sarah Alper she got three. Here's the interesting note. J. J.

751
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: Aldrich got two against her, and that was all the

752
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: way back in twenty twenty two, not that long ago. Now,

753
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: in the end, of course, Blanchefield submitted her with a

754
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: guillotine choke, so it didn't really matter. I'd be curious

755
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 2: to see what level of and her last three fights,

756
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: by the way, Blanchfield's won via submission, although there's obviously

757
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: been a fra amount of ground and pound yeah that

758
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: went into it. I'd be curious to see what happens

759
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: with this one. If she finds herself on her back,

760
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: that would be really not a great scenario. And I

761
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: think to the point that the oddsmakers have made here,

762
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: that's why they're a little bit hesitant to make her

763
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: a big favorite. So we'll see what kind of growth.

764
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: But BC last thing on this. When someone is twenty

765
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: four years old and they're training in the kind of

766
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: dedicated way that someone like Aaron Blanchfield is, they get

767
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: better rapidly. So this will be this is a I

768
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: love the match making, is what I'm saying about this

769
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: main card. This main card has some really interesting fights,

770
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: some interesting fun ones. This one maybe maybe the best

771
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: of them in terms of intrigue.

772
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got some weird rematches as well, but yeah,

773
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: you'd never know. Like every great fighter has a Hipbeab's

774
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: version of the Glison Teebow fight where it's like that

775
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: one fight that maybe they didn't look perfect and they

776
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: actually face some opposition, but they still able to get

777
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: it done. And up to this point in a very

778
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: small sample size, for Blanchfield, it is that Aldrich fight

779
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: where she did have to make some adjustments, did have

780
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: to find some resistance. It's just man, Luke up and

781
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: down her resume. There has not been much resistance beyond that.

782
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: I mean, she was was like she was grinding up

783
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: Miranda Maverick. I mean just just grinding her into the ground.

784
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: Luke just like, uh, you know. So it's like if

785
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: she's not getting the early finish for the most just

786
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 3: like what just like what see I'm not intentionally walking

787
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: into these areas, Luke. Okay, I mean, I'm trying to

788
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 3: stay on my side of the street here, but there's

789
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: a blinking red light across from now. Yeah, there we go.

790
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: Look that's it.

791
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: Last thing on this. If you look at Santos's wins,

792
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: all of them come via decision, including the one against Well.

793
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: She had the loss against Ramera Borella, which was a

794
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: split decision loss, But all of them have come via

795
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: decision except the one over Joanne Wood, which is back

796
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. She got her first round rear

797
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: naked choke there, but I would kind of fell apart

798
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: in that one a little bit. So I don't just

799
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: I don't really know how indicative that is of the

800
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: kind of resistance I should say that she's got a

801
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: face with with Blanchefield.

802
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: I don't think Santos is a finisher as you were,

803
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 3: as you're talking about right there, but she's she's very sturdy.

804
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: She's not only a great test at this elite level,

805
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: but she's physically strong. She's a tough out. I mean,

806
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: let's not forget Luke, she man handed Old Valentine on

807
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: the ground like she could have got her hand raised

808
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 3: that night there, like there was legit unknown going to

809
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: those scores of what we were going to get, and

810
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: she did it physically and aggressively but also strategically. It's man,

811
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: I mean, the Blanchfield train has been running fast and

812
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: it's been choo choo, and Luke, it's you know what

813
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying, It's been great, but Santo's could be that

814
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: kryptonite to kind of slow it down, you know, just

815
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: discipline it a bit. This could be a very interesting

816
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 3: chess match here. So let's all right, that's the best

817
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 3: fight on the card, and you know it, you know right.

818
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: Let's quickly we gotta get to I want to get

819
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: to this UFC class action lawsuit. So there's a couple

820
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: of the fights of the card worth noting. The comin

821
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: event Anthony Smith at two of five fighting Ryan Span

822
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: Anthony at thirty five years of age.

823
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: Again, what kind of matchmaking is this? What are we

824
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 3: doing with this fight?

825
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: Dude? Light heavyweight is just a bit of a mess

826
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: right now. I think they were just trying to find

827
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: whatever port to your point about Port and the storm

828
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: on the pre fight call, it's just whatever kind of

829
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: matchup they can get to move the chains on this one,

830
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: and he beat Ryan spe beat the shit a Ryan Span.

831
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: Back in twenty twenty one, he stopped him inside the

832
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: first round, but since then he had the terrible ankle

833
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: injury to magamut On Caliev in twenty twenty two. Then

834
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 2: he comes back in twenty twenty three against Johnny Walker

835
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: and he lost that one via an ananimous decision on

836
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: UFC and ABC four. And of course he had the

837
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: glover to share a grappling match, which doesn't really count.

838
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: But here he finds himself again, Ryan Span currently sitting

839
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: at thirty one years of age. He last lost to

840
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: Nikita Krilov via trying to choke in the first round,

841
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: but before that had beaten Dominic Reyes and Ewan kute

842
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: Laba before that the Anthony Smith fight. I don't even

843
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: really know what to say about this one, except the

844
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: kind of way I'm looking at this is someone who's

845
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: been a admirer of Anthony Smith's game and the story

846
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: that he has produced for himself in the fight game itself.

847
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: I wonder what he's got left and what I mean

848
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: by that is we all know thirty five again doesn't

849
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: mean everything, but it's worth sort of pointing out as

850
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: a demarcation line. And also the amount of injuries he's

851
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 2: had are substantial to this point. I just wonder what

852
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: it's done to his body. And also, you know, you

853
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: see it with guys who are kind of half foot

854
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: in a half foot out with their careers. Anthony Smith

855
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: is a podcast on Michael Bisbing. He's a desk analyst

856
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: for UFC. I know he doesn't work for Sirius XM.

857
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what we're gonna get from Anthony Smith

858
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: this time.

859
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 3: I think the way he's wired though, they're going to

860
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: have to remove him from the organization. Luke like he's

861
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: a warrior and he's told us on the RSD couch

862
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: like he only knows one way and that's through it.

863
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: Could there be a sneaky reinvention for him in this

864
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: fight or does SPAN get revenge? Unfortunately, Luke, this was

865
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: the fight that started all that ill bonanza between me

866
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: and Anthony Smith. Turns out he should be the poster

867
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: of Factory Town. MMA loved the guy, but their first

868
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 3: fight was the one that I criticized as among the

869
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: worst fight Night made events i'd seen. Boy, that fight

870
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: looks a lot better than some of the ones we've

871
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: seen lately. Just to be fair, but you know, that's

872
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: where you said Anthony Smith was must see TV every

873
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: time out, and then we did the fake little thing

874
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 3: and you know, but turns out Anthony Smith great dude.

875
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: At the end of the day. I'm cheering for him, Luke.

876
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: I liked that. I like the guy a lot, and

877
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: I want to see him. If it's possible to kind

878
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: of turn back and find something here and still prove

879
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: that he's here, let's do it. But I get what

880
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: you're saying. He's got a great career ready and waiting

881
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: for him. Whenever the end is near, he'll be fine.

882
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: But I hope, I hope this isn't disastrous, Luke. I'll

883
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: be cheering for him openly, okay.

884
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: And then, last, but not least, on this main card

885
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: worth paying attention to. How about Giga Yakazi taking on

886
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: Alex Casseros.

887
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: No.

888
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: Giga Yakazi BC, thirty four years of age, has been

889
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: off for a while. He last fought Calvin Cator back

890
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: in January of twenty twenty two and was supposed to

891
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: fight Sadik Yusef that September. It didn't happen. So here

892
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: he finds himself in the Singapore Fight Fight Night card

893
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 2: against Casters now BC Bruce Leroy, sitting at thirty five

894
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: years of age. Boy, his career has been very surprising.

895
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: I did not think he was going to be long

896
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: for the UFC low and behold, He's kind of maintained

897
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: a really decent foothold and I think of late has

898
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: proven to be pretty formidable. He beat Julian Rossa back

899
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, he stopped him inside the first round,

900
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: and then his last fight against the dog Daniel Pineda

901
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: back in June. Here he is on late August taking

902
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: on Giga Chikazi. What do you make of this matchup

903
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: in particular, and plus the sort of interesting stories where

904
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: Chikanzi kind of was shot out of a cannon but

905
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: has been off for a while and then had that

906
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: lost to Calvin Cator, and then here's Castors who's kind

907
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: of just sort of been able to hang on and

908
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: maybe even like peak a little bit late in his

909
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: martial arts career.

910
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just said all those great things. I think

911
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 3: this is the second best fight on this card, Luke.

912
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 3: I like the storylines in terms of what's at stake

913
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: for both and what they're both trying to prove. For Giga,

914
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: it was it was sort of a leveling out, a

915
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: heat check moment. All right, what do you got after that?

916
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: Because there is an opening for a new set, a

917
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: new guard at featherweight to make noise and to basically

918
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: challenge the notion of shoud Volkanowski move up for good

919
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: or I think he already should have moved up for good,

920
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: but he seems to want to hang around and add

921
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: some more title defense. If somebody's got to come up

922
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: and raise their hand, this could be a great opportunity

923
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: for Chikazi, especially if he wins and wins dominantly, to

924
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: sort of raise that hand and say, okay, hicc up

925
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: over with, let's let's elevate me to the head of

926
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 3: the class. Casara's feels more like he's lingering a bit, Luke,

927
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: but we have gotten flashes lately that that one more

928
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: run could be there, and he's always fun to watch.

929
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be interested in this one. I think they're

930
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 3: gonna make some noise, but I can't believe that you

931
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: did not mention this completely unnecessary familial rematch that we're

932
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 3: gonna get in the heavyweight opener for the main card.

933
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: You ready for this? Fired up Connecticut's park reporter is

934
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 3: going to finish the tour of Tafa, whether it's necessary

935
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: or not. So he's gonna fight Junior Tafa. He got

936
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 3: knocked out by Tafa's brother two fights ago, but uh

937
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 3: Parker reportedly came back much thinner in his last fight,

938
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: got a big win representing ct Maybe some future kingship, Luke.

939
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 3: He's in He was in very good physical shape comparatively

940
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: to the past. I don't know. Maybe he gets sweet

941
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: revenge against the Tafas.

942
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: Luke.

943
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: Are you going to be into this at all?

944
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I love how you snuck in portanly there.

945
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I really.

946
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: Is ct on CT Slanders acceptable, Luke? Okay, because we're.

947
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: From yet so uh yeah, I mean it's a fine fight.

948
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: It's not.

949
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: No, it's awful. It's a horrible fight, Luke. But at

950
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: least they'll throw bombs, right.

951
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: It's it's something. I mean, you know a lot of

952
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: these fights I just don't even understand the value of. Also,

953
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: though there is some good ones Cheety and Chi Kawani

954
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: taking on Michael oldik shishek is on this content is

955
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: on this card, excuse me. And there's a couple of

956
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: other decent ones here or there, but those are.

957
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: The main Yeah, Luka Bretski might be swimming with the

958
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: fishes after Walldough Cortesa Costa gets done with them.

959
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: Lu he might be. He might be. Oh, by the way. Lastly,

960
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 2: on the odds for these fights, here's the interesting one.

961
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: Our friends at Caesars have Span as a minus one

962
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 2: thirty favorite. Yeah, or Smith at plus one ten, kind

963
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: of speaking to some of the questions that that Smith

964
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: is facing in his career. Chikazi minus two thirty, casserists

965
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: at plus h one ninety and.

966
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: Are allowed to favor seris right, you are allowed book.

967
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm allowed. I'm allowed to pronounce them correctly as well. Also,

968
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: Renya Nakamura BC the biggest favorite on this card. I

969
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: was like Rinya Nakamura on this card minus eight hundred. Yes. Uh.

970
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: Fernie Garcia at plus five fifty. I'm trying to see

971
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: Angi and Ngikiwani. It's a it's a pick on between

972
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: him and Olk Shayshik and then your guy from ct

973
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: pucker Porter plus one twenty five just in Tapa minus

974
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: one fifty. That sound well, you know what that that

975
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: that might be some good value on old Porter there

976
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: for Uh.

977
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to wrestle Luke, but if he's in

978
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: better shape. I wonder if the if he if there

979
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: is a reinvention for him. He's still at the mid

980
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: level of UFC heavyweight, but I wonder if he could

981
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: put if he could take a turn. Maybe storyline wise,

982
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 3: this is perfect go through the brother right all right?

983
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: With that in mind, we got to get to this.

984
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: This was just about this tour of top of bullshit

985
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: at all. You're like a help of that.

986
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not here to disrespect the fighters, but I

987
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: have other things that I think are more important to discuss.

988
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: So with that in mind, With that in mind, let's

989
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: talk about the UFC Anti Trust case, the Class action

990
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: fighter lawsuit. Boy, ladies and gentlemen. We went nine years.

991
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 2: This case was originally filed in twenty fourteen, and nine

992
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: years later we have some of the most meaningful updates,

993
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: in fact, the kind of updates we needed before we

994
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: could say anything else. Really about it. To be perfectly honest,

995
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: here we are four things basically happened kind of all

996
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: at once. You see, I'm not sure how you want

997
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: to go through it, but I think it's worth talking

998
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 2: about some of them piece by piece if you're okay

999
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: with that.

1000
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: Sure, this is very important news.

1001
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: So here's where we are on this one. This is

1002
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: absolutely massive, massive news. The news that broke previously before

1003
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: I went on vacation was that the judge, his name

1004
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: is US District Judge Richard Bulwair of Las Vegas. What

1005
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: he had ruled was that the Kung Lee lawsuit, which

1006
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: is Kung Lee, it was Nick Quarry, but he got

1007
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: dropped Brandon Vera, Kyle Kingsbury, blah blah blah. You know

1008
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 2: the story, John Fitch, that they were certified as a class.

1009
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: They could be a you could get not just those groups,

1010
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 2: but anyone who fit the definition of what that class meant.

1011
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: So it roughly would have been about twelve hundred fighters

1012
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: or so. And they're automatically in the class unless they

1013
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: wanted to opt out. That's big because if you can

1014
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: go as a class, then of course the damages go

1015
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: up in the injunctive relief, which I'll get to him

1016
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: minute it goes up. Like the stakes in other words, are

1017
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: massively enhanced if you get the judge to side with you,

1018
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: because now it's all these people versus just a couple. Right.

1019
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: So that was the big part. But there is now

1020
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: more to the story beyond that, and this is absolutely massive, massive,

1021
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: massive news. So number one, there's four things that happened

1022
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 2: while we were gone BC. Let's talk about the first

1023
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: of them. So the judge in this case, Richard Bulwer,

1024
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: he's giving priority to the case and wants a trial

1025
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: by March or April of twenty twenty four. Now, the

1026
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: UFC is going to appeal the class certification. What that

1027
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: means is they're going to ask the court above this

1028
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: guy to say, the Ninth Circuit Court, to say, hey,

1029
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: we think that this judge's ruling is wrong, that they

1030
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: should not be certified as a class and you should

1031
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: reject it. But they may not even hear it, and

1032
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: even if they do, they could easily reject it. There's

1033
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: a lot of ways that falls through. And if that

1034
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: doesn't work, if that doesn't slow it down, they're going

1035
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: to have a trial apparently in March or April of

1036
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. So for nine years this thing just

1037
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: sat dormant, and now here we are. We could have

1038
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: all of that as early as first or second quarter

1039
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: of next year. Let me add on one more piece

1040
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: of this if I can. This is to me the

1041
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: big one, like about massive. All of the court records

1042
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: are going to be unsealed. That means all of the evidence,

1043
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: all the text messages, all the emails, all the internal

1044
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: private documents, everything, everything is going to be unsealed. Now

1045
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: they'll keep phone numbers, email addresses, and of course the

1046
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: defendants in this case, the UFC, are going to try

1047
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: and get some of that stuff removed. B See, folks

1048
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: have asked what the significance of this is here, let

1049
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: me give you an example. The guys from the plaintiff

1050
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: side have been cryptic about it, but one thing they

1051
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: have kind of hinted that on social media over the

1052
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: years is just wait until you see what we have

1053
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: as evidence in terms of managers not doing the job

1054
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 2: that their clients need to, not being responsible, not being ethical,

1055
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: working on behalf of the UFC rather than behalf of

1056
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 2: their clients. And we've got written proof documentation that they've

1057
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: done this. If that is true and all of it

1058
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: is unsealed to the best of your ability. What would

1059
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: that mean.

1060
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 3: That the entire system that we know it from from

1061
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: management to financial to free agency to fighters' advocated rights

1062
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: in general, is going to be flipped upside down. This

1063
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 3: will be a major, major turning point in the history

1064
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 3: timeline of this sport. Right thirtieth year of the UFC.

1065
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 3: We're kind of all adopting that as sort of the

1066
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: start of mixed martial arts, so here we are. This

1067
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: will be a major turn because Luke, I mean, you

1068
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: can go watch the MMAI investigative reporting or anybody else

1069
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: like John Nash in this space. You do a great

1070
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: job when you look at the details of what these

1071
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: fighters are actually up against and the control UFC has

1072
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: and the available accurate information that essentially paints the modern

1073
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: day MMA manager as serving the UFC SE and their

1074
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: own financial instinct, you know, interest in terms of stability

1075
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 3: and security above what they can get their fighter to earn.

1076
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: The entire system has turned against them to the level

1077
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: that the UFC even invests money in lobbying against their rights.

1078
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: Further to the point, Luke, that I saw the pull

1079
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: out from that John nesh story that in a conversation

1080
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 3: about Sean O'Malley that after in Ghanu became a free

1081
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: agent and they made that much publicized change to the contracts.

1082
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: One of those contracts where that the UFC in any

1083
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: business you do, like McGregor's whiskey and all of that,

1084
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: any business you do, the new contract has this thing

1085
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: in there that the UFC gets a financial percentage of it.

1086
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: Like so there's they they the I should we should

1087
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: warn the viewers that it the if you read the

1088
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: contractual language lawyers, some lawyers have interpreted it that way.

1089
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: It's not a bold declaration that they get a cut

1090
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: that what does this language in the contract mean. Certain

1091
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: attorneys have interpreted that way, other ones do not. It

1092
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: remains to a degree unclear.

1093
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: Well, let me let me finish my answer and turn

1094
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: it back on you. If all of this gets unsealed, Luke,

1095
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: it's like we all knew about these secrets, only they're

1096
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 3: not secrets. They're true. We all sit in front of

1097
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 3: this microphone and harp for the past year on how

1098
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: you know, like the time has come, like they the

1099
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: fighters deserve a bigger piece of the pie, or representation

1100
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: or health insurance or what I mean, like whatever across

1101
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: the board that you want to fight for that they

1102
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: should deserve based on the outrageous financial success of this company,

1103
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: based on the fact that there's very smart people on top,

1104
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 3: but it's always at the at the excess of the

1105
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: fighter that needs to change if this stuff goes public, Luke,

1106
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what the defense would be outside of

1107
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: let's just try to settle the best the quest as

1108
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 3: quick as we possibly can. And but you know, cause

1109
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: I saw parts of an interview that kung Ley just

1110
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: did with his lawyer in which they what they want

1111
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 3: in terms of an ending to this lawsuit is that

1112
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: all future fighters, regardless of promoter, are on one year

1113
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 3: contracts that that becomes like the industry standard. Now that's

1114
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 3: ambitious obviously from the from the side of the fighters,

1115
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: but obviously the fallout of this court case because I

1116
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 3: don't see how the UFC could get out of this.

1117
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: How the hell if all of this is on, can

1118
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: can they not prove everything they're trying to prove? Then

1119
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 3: what is the future of the business?

1120
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: Luke?

1121
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: In terms of the short term, long term, it'll be

1122
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: fighters getting we hope the rights that they deserve, but

1123
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: short term that could really I don't know if they're

1124
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 3: going to be able to get one year contracts per promotion.

1125
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 3: That doesn't you know, there's not a lot of upside

1126
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: for the promotions there. I think that there have to

1127
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: be some settlement between the UFC and the fighters in

1128
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: that regard something closer to more realistic, but the idea

1129
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: that free agency can become a real thing where fighters

1130
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: have the leverage, not the other way around. What does

1131
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 3: what could this sport look like? The next two three

1132
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: years could be wild.

1133
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say about what this treasure trope of

1134
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: information could lead to based on some of the cryptic

1135
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 2: indications we have seen from the various well now former plaintiffs,

1136
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: But many of the plaintiffs like, wait until you see

1137
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: what we've got here. I actually don't believe it would

1138
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 2: immediately result in bad things for the For let's say

1139
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: there's certain managers who are clearly working on I mean,

1140
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 2: you know, we've already kind of seen them in public

1141
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 2: working on behalf of the promoter more than their clients.

1142
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: Not like they're doing it in plain sight. It's not

1143
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: exactly hidden.

1144
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: Now.

1145
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what's in these documents that could indicate

1146
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: something really bad, and I guess we'll see, But my

1147
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: initial thought is that the current fighters have like this

1148
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: mentality that the power structure as it is, they're really

1149
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 2: not going to challenge in any kind of way except

1150
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: for the plaintiffs themselves. I think if the rules changed

1151
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: and the contracts changed, I think all of their behavior

1152
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: would then follow suit, and they would all of a

1153
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: sudden lies that this is much better for them. But

1154
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: as it stands, my point is this, I don't expect

1155
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: anybody to be leaving their managers if they even can

1156
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: with some of these contracts. I don't know how some

1157
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: of these guys don't. They don't have the ability in

1158
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: certain contracts to immediately terminate their management, even if they

1159
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: had calls or if they wanted to. That's how some

1160
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 2: of these contracts can be onerous on the management side.

1161
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: So my point being is, even if there's something like

1162
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: really embarrassing or unethical or whatever, I don't expect a

1163
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: mass exodus in any kind of way. However, what I

1164
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: do think is possible is one there could be the

1165
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: media might beat the shit out of them for it.

1166
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: That's what that remains to be seen. But more to

1167
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: the point, it would just grant potential injunctive relief. In

1168
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 2: other words, the judge in the future could be like, right,

1169
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: so here's what's going to happen with contracts going forward.

1170
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: We're just not going to do this kind of thing,

1171
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 2: not just with UFC contracts, but potentially on the management side.

1172
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of capacity of the judge

1173
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 2: has to affect that in this particular case, but there

1174
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: might be the next set of contracts that come out

1175
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: a little bit more favorable in that regard. I look

1176
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: tend of thing.

1177
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 3: One fact I want to share real quick related to

1178
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: this is in the the guy at m MAI on

1179
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: YouTube does an incredible job breaking it down. Is that

1180
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 3: the UFC has essentially created a system right now using

1181
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 3: the Dana White Contender series, using the feeder. Uh you know,

1182
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: regional MMA promotions that all air on fight Pass and

1183
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: have deals with fight Pass. That might be the reason

1184
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 3: why they're able to keep business going is based on

1185
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 3: his presentation, you pretty much can't get to the UFC

1186
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: unless you sign with one of these four or five managers,

1187
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 3: Like that's the only way. Based on the way the

1188
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 3: system is set up. Now you know that's not favorable

1189
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 3: to the fighter. Obviously, under any circumstance you come in

1190
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: with such a pre built disadvantage. At the very least,

1191
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 3: Luke opening up the books has to kill that structure,

1192
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: and it should. That should be the first immediate wave

1193
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 3: that happens, right, I mean, that's it's ridiculous once you

1194
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: see the facts, it's ridiculous what they go through, right.

1195
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 2: I mean. Eric mcgracken of Combat Sports Law has talked

1196
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: about something which is if you actually look at what

1197
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: the job is of these regulators in place, the athletic commissions,

1198
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: who are not necessarily involved in this lawsuit, but our

1199
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 2: player certainly in the combat sports space, like part of

1200
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: what they're supposed to do in protecting the fighter and

1201
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: they're protecting the fight game is to make sure that

1202
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: the contracts that the fighters have, these bout agreements that

1203
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: they have with the promoter are supposed to be fair

1204
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: and under their watch. Look what has happened under their

1205
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: watch one promoter has taken over. And by the way,

1206
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: we should be clear about this. If the judge rules

1207
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: in favor of the plaintiffs, that's the fighter suing in

1208
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: this case and they get injunctive relief where they get

1209
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: these contracts changed, maybe not to one year, but let's

1210
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: say two year periods, And that affects the UFC, It

1211
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: would not affect PFL, it would not affect Bellator, it

1212
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: would not affect any other promoter. Now, they might end

1213
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: up having to change their contracts too, by virtue of

1214
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: market pressure, but there would be no legal obligation on

1215
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: their part to do that. But what his point is

1216
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: that look around, dude, under the watch of the various

1217
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: athletic commissions in play, look at what system they have

1218
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: allowed to take root. They have allowed to take root

1219
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: a system where the managers have control of the fighters

1220
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: and the promoters have control of the managers, and so

1221
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: who gets screwed in the end. The regulators have the

1222
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: ability here to put certain limits in place about bout agreements,

1223
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: certain limits in place about what kind of fights are

1224
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: going to sanction under what contractual terms. And they've done nothing.

1225
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: They've done nothing. They have let all of the worst

1226
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 2: practices fester. So it'd be nice for the fighters to

1227
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: get a little bit more ability to have freedom in

1228
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: their careers. That would be great. But a big key

1229
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: component here, irrespective of the lawsuit is just how a

1230
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: sleep at the fucking wheel. Our regulators are, who, by

1231
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: the way, we should point out the Mike Missoulis of

1232
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: the world and various other ones. They're very happy to

1233
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: puff their chest out and tell you how strong and

1234
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: forthright they are when it comes time to hand ammering

1235
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: fighters when they've done something wrong related to weight misses

1236
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: or drug test suspensions or drug testing or whatever, and

1237
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: that's okay, Like that's within their purview as well. Perhaps

1238
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: they should be doing those things in the way that

1239
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: they are, but they don't show any of that fucking

1240
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: muscle when it comes time to turn to the promoters

1241
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: and say, these contracts are fucking bullshit, guys, These contracts

1242
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: are completely one sided. These contracts are totally unfair. These

1243
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: bot agreements do not make sense. They don't do shit.

1244
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: They don't do shit. And everyone who's at that ABC

1245
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: meeting in Las Vegas, hold on before I went on vacation,

1246
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: who tweeted about it? Dude, you would think that these

1247
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: these regulators. Do you work for the fucking tourism board, fellas?

1248
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: Is that who you work for? Because it looks like

1249
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: what they want is the biggest shows to come to

1250
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: their state so they can get the most amount of money,

1251
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,959
Speaker 2: and that's how they see their job. We are living

1252
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: in a situation where the fighters are downstream from a

1253
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: completely fucked up regulatory skis.

1254
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 3: Now you just answered the key question, the why the

1255
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: why in there. Why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they? And look,

1256
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 3: to be fair, the closer you get to the business

1257
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 3: practices in combat sports, it's it's always a little edgy,

1258
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: a little sketchy, whether it's law breaking or there's just

1259
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 3: built in intimidation or political power structure. Look like that's real.

1260
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 3: But given the price that these fighters have to pay,

1261
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: and given the insane success that they're creating for their

1262
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: employer through the physical taxing, yet the system at every

1263
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: turn is set up against them. About time, I mean, look,

1264
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 3: this will be a seismic shift. This will be a

1265
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 3: moment in time on the timeline that will stand out

1266
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 3: and and you know, vibrate. I mean, maybe you won't

1267
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: see the type of overnight, immediate turnaround, but just the

1268
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 3: fact that there's positive action in that direction nine years

1269
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: in the freaking making. It could be perfect timing based

1270
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 3: on the headlines, But damn, this overdo, Like it's we're

1271
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 3: not just talking about the ability to negotiate your own price.

1272
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: That's not really what we're talking about, because any leverage

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01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: you would have is already taken in hamstrung and removed

1274
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: from you to begin with, you know what I'm saying.

1275
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, that's where.

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Speaker 2: People are like, one, are the fighters going to realize dode?

1277
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: The fighters have an abusive relationship with the sport, like

1278
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: everybody takes from them, Every fucking body takes from them,

1279
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: and they, you know, they lash out at media or

1280
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: they lash out at anybody else other than the power

1281
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: structure that's fucking them up to begin with, Which is

1282
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: why it's like, even if these documents come out and

1283
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 2: they're just the most embarrassing and the most awful, I

1284
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: really don't think it's going to change much by itself.

1285
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: So let me get to the part three of this,

1286
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: which I think is fucking huge, which is the plaintiffs

1287
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: are now fully allowed to seek injunctive relief. So what

1288
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 2: they did, what they I'll explain what it means. They

1289
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: they intend to ask Judge Bulwer to quote pairbacks substantially

1290
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: restrictive UFC content, which, of course length tolling provisions retirements,

1291
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: champions clause, all the stuff that we know that just

1292
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: at injury time, all the stuff that we know that

1293
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: just adds on and adds on, Because what the judge

1294
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: had noted BC was that the average UFC contract was

1295
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: longer than the average UFC career. I mean, just sort

1296
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: of think about that for a second. How are you

1297
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: ever going to get free agency in a situation like that.

1298
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: So what they want is for the I'll get to

1299
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: this in a second. So what they want is what

1300
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: you indicated, these shorter terms for the deals where it's

1301
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: not five years or more, it's one or two years,

1302
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: which again would substantially substantially change the industry. And this

1303
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: is what I made the point before. Like again, PFL

1304
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: still might have restrictive contracts, Bell to R might as well.

1305
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: But let's imagine a world where the UFC has to

1306
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: stick to two year deals and maybe the rest of

1307
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 2: the industry kind of pairs back some of their contracts

1308
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: and their onerous burdens as well. So the system is

1309
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: a little bit more equitable in that sense. Now, let's

1310
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: see you compete. Now, let's see what it looks like

1311
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: to compete for services. Now let's see what it looks like,

1312
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, because everyone's like the UFC is just in

1313
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: this position because they're better in terms of being promoters. Well,

1314
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: if you're better as a promoter and everyone's got the

1315
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: same kinds of contracts, we'll see that play out, won't

1316
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: we We'll see that play out. That to me is

1317
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: what you'll get a real test of in terms of

1318
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: promotional ability, because what you have right now is just

1319
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: top down vertical integration, right And this is.

1320
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 3: Not this is not charing for the UFC to get

1321
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: got necessarily, but it can come across as that you

1322
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: just created the scenario in which if the playing field

1323
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: gets leveled, not in a way that that you know negatively,

1324
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: you know, it hits the UFC and allows everyone to

1325
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 3: catch up. But obviously it's from these injustices that are

1326
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: built in that they've leaned on. This could lead to

1327
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 3: them having to get like you said, competitive again, become

1328
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 3: true promoters again. That's gonna be great for matchmaking, that's

1329
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 3: going to be great for entertainment. That's going to be

1330
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 3: great for the stacked nature of cards. I mean, looke,

1331
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 3: could I take a conspiracy theory deep enough? When we

1332
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: had the unexplained first six months of this year in

1333
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: UFC matchmaking, where things were like good enough, right, but

1334
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 3: it wasn't what we were used to. Unexplained drop down

1335
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 3: and quality. Was that because we had to file away

1336
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 3: a rainy day fund in case this lawsuit turned around?

1337
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 3: Or is this just all timing happenstance, it's just the

1338
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 3: way it went down.

1339
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a great question. In terms of

1340
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 2: the timing, I can't really say. But the point I

1341
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: want to make is a lot of fans love the

1342
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: idea and I understand it. I'm not mad at them

1343
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: for it. I get it. I get it where Hey, basically,

1344
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: not entirely, but basically every week, I know on Saturday,

1345
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: sometimes even Tuesdays that I'm able to turn on ESPN

1346
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: or whatever and I'm able to get reliable UFC content.

1347
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: The quality can vary between pay per view and everything else,

1348
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 2: but on Saturdays I can turn it on and more

1349
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 2: or less I can get it. And they like that arrangement,

1350
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: and I understand that. I understand that. But what I

1351
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: would ask for you this, This is not me appealing

1352
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: to a customer saying to give up your needs because

1353
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: it's better for you as a customer. I don't know

1354
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: that it will be better for you as a customer

1355
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: if you're just a die hard UFC fan. But what

1356
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: I am saying to you is to reflect on is

1357
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: the way they're able to make that arrangement for you

1358
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: is by contracts that the judge in this particular case

1359
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 2: has said are completely fucked up. Right, They're able to

1360
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 2: do it by controlling the vast majority of the talent

1361
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: through contracts that keep them locked up. Guys, Like, on

1362
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: some level, you have to reflect on who you are

1363
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: as a person if you're allowing a system like that

1364
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: to take place. That's true as regulators, that's true, as media,

1365
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: that's true, as fans, that's true. As if you're the

1366
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: rock and you want to do a deal with the company,

1367
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: you have to reflect on what role you play in

1368
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: that economy. The economy is constructed based off of these deals. Well,

1369
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 2: what happens when those deals become much more equitable and

1370
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: now it's not top down, now it's fifty to fifty.

1371
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying to you, that it will

1372
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: change the game in a lot of ways, but it

1373
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 2: will make it a situation where you know, like, do

1374
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: you feel bad about the contracts. I don't know, but

1375
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 2: they're not equitable. They're definitely not equitable getting something fed

1376
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 2: to you that is based off of an unfair system.

1377
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: You should reflect on what role you play in that

1378
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: in the end. Now, last, but not least, two things

1379
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: related to the second part of the case. The big

1380
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: fighter lawsuit that we're talking about now is the one

1381
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: that is going to cover in the period of twenty

1382
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 2: ten to twenty seventeen. It's the Kung Lee case. But

1383
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: what they're talking about also is the Cajun Johnson case.

1384
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 2: This is Johnson versus ZUFA. It's a separate one. It's

1385
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: essentially the same kind of lawsuit, but just for the

1386
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: period after twenty seventeen. Right, because the period of the

1387
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: class actional lawsuit is defined as twenty twenty ten to

1388
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, this is twenty seventeen on up. What they

1389
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 2: are asking for in that case, By the way, the

1390
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: judge that discovery can be started in that one. The

1391
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: collection of evidence essentially has said the Johnson case. The

1392
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: plaintiffs in that one are asking for things like arbitration

1393
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: disputes and to be removed and more importantly, restricting the

1394
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: clauses that the USC introduced. Remember how they introduced after

1395
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 2: the Nganu and nate DS contracts that if you sign

1396
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: with the UFC, If you signed with the UFC today,

1397
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 2: it says in there you can't participate in any class

1398
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: action lawsuits. In the Cajun Johnson versus ZUFA case, they

1399
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 2: are explicitly asking for that to be removed explicit gray

1400
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: true injunctive relief if the judge grants that, either for

1401
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: the Kung Lee case or the Cajun Johnson case, or

1402
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 2: in the UFC's worst nightmares, both of those. Buddy, I mean,

1403
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 2: you're just dealing with a situation where fighters are not

1404
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,959
Speaker 2: kept under lock and key. They have freedom to move,

1405
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 2: they have freedom to choose, they have freedom to do

1406
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: things in their interest in a way where like, dude,

1407
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: the entire industry is fucking based off of making fighters

1408
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 2: have minimal rights. That is just the reality of MMA.

1409
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: People always talk about how gross the boxing business is,

1410
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 2: and it's gross. It's gross. Like, don't get me wrong,

1411
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm not here to hold it up as some

1412
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 2: kind of like grand ethical experiment, far fucking from it,

1413
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: but you have to accept the reality MMA today is

1414
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 2: based off of fighters having really unfair deals top to

1415
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 2: fucking bottom. They are asking for that to get removed.

1416
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 3: And by the way, boxing has a dark history, as

1417
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 3: you said a lot of times in certain terms in

1418
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 3: this business and the reputability and the practices, but it

1419
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 3: also can be done right, like you know Al Hayman

1420
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 3: who founded the PBC, and yeah, we are aligned through showtime,

1421
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 3: I guess on that side full disclosure obviously, but a

1422
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 3: big part of Al Haman's legacy when he hangs it

1423
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 3: all up, is going to be tied into boxing fighters'

1424
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 3: rights and the pay increase that he gave them and

1425
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 3: the treatment overall. And it's like, can't ignore that, like

1426
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 3: that mattered, like in terms of the turn of history. Obviously,

1427
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 3: a big part of what Hayman did was was tied

1428
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 3: to Floyd Mayweather and and and the genius partnership there

1429
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 3: and helping Floyd, you know, just cross over on a

1430
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,879
Speaker 3: on an extreme level. But uh, we all love the UFC.

1431
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 3: I mean, it's awesome, but this is just it's it's time.

1432
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: It's time. It's time.

1433
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: It's not it's not anti UFC. It's pro competition.

1434
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah no, well it's pro competition. It's pro it's pro

1435
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 3: what's right at the end of the day. That's what

1436
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: it is. Again, I'm not We're not saying like like

1437
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 3: these fighters can't rep themselves, right, so they need this

1438
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 3: big lawsuit so they can make more money. That's not

1439
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 3: what this is. They're not in the position where they

1440
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 3: have the right and fair leverage to attempt to maximize

1441
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 3: their value. They're just not in that position. There's just

1442
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 3: too many constraints. It's just it's unfair what they do

1443
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 3: after that, Luke, whether they ever unionize or not, Like

1444
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 3: that's on the fighters, right, But like we if you

1445
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 3: can see through all this and see how much the

1446
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 3: system is against them, then it's you either have a

1447
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 3: heart or you don't. Like I don't know how. I mean,

1448
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 3: there's got to be people in the UFC, Luke, who

1449
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 3: are like, it's about time, like these the fires get

1450
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 3: what they deserve, right, They can't talk about it, But

1451
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 3: I think you'd have to believe that that it's not

1452
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 3: everybody here, Luke.

1453
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, because it would change the UFC substantially,

1454
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 2: Like if the UFC had two year deals, and again

1455
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what would happened with the PFLs if

1456
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: they would maintain their restrictive contracts to get everyone's like, oh, well,

1457
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: you're just picking on UFC. Well they're the only ones

1458
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: being sued. I mean, you know, the fighters aren't suing

1459
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 2: promoters they didn't work for. This is the cases based

1460
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,440
Speaker 2: off guys who worked in the UFC as independent contractors.

1461
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: You know, we should be honest about that. If like

1462
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: the contracts change where the UFC has to have only

1463
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 2: two year deals and the other promoters don't, yeah, we're

1464
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: gonna turn We're gonna turn our attention to the promoters

1465
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: who still have fucked up contracts. And also, you know,

1466
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 2: in that point though, the UFC would still be the

1467
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 2: much bigger entity, you know, and you had a two

1468
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 2: year deal, like you would almost have market pressure on

1469
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: the other ones to change some of their contracts. Otherwise,

1470
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: why would you sign, you know, if you could sign

1471
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 2: a two year deal with UFC or like a four

1472
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 2: year deal with PFL with all these extras, why would

1473
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: you sign the four year deal with It would make

1474
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 2: no sense. You know, you would want to go and

1475
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 2: get your freedom. So you know, we'll have to see

1476
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: how everything plays out. If they even get that far.

1477
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: We don't really know all of this could go up

1478
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: and smoke in an instant like that. None of this

1479
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: is guaranteed. I'm just sort of pointing to people. This

1480
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 2: train is now moving down the tracks when it wasn't

1481
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: moving at all. It's not moving at warp fucking speed,

1482
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: warp speed. And that trial I mentioned in twenty twenty four,

1483
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 2: in March or April, that's that Kung Lee case twenty

1484
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: ten to twenty seventeen, the Cajun Johnson one. We're we're

1485
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 2: not very close to any kind of resolution there at all,

1486
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: but a jury trial is Again, we'll see what the

1487
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: Ninth Circuit does. But if the Ninth Circuit doesn't intervene,

1488
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 2: you guys might have a jury trial in March or April.

1489
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,759
Speaker 2: And if they rule in favor of the plaintiffs, holy shit, folks,

1490
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 2: holy shit, you have a completely different industry if that happens,

1491
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: No two ways about it. Is there any.

1492
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 3: Chance we get based on wherever this court case will

1493
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 3: be held, that we could get cameras in the courtroom

1494
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 3: like we had for OJ because that was the that

1495
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 3: was the reality TV right there.

1496
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know the answer to that. Certain courts

1497
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 2: allow it, certain ones don't. I'm not gonna get political.

1498
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: Just for example, like one of Trump's trials in Florida,

1499
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: it will not be allowed. But for example, one of

1500
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: the ones here in DC, because the DC Court in

1501
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: this particular case that jurisdiction allows for it, they will.

1502
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know what the rules in

1503
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 2: Vegas are. I don't. I don't. I couldn't possibly tell you.

1504
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 2: It's an interesting question. Nevertheless, I do know that they

1505
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 2: allow for people to call in usually, so like even

1506
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 2: if you can't get cameras, you can get an audio feed.

1507
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1508
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: But I mean it will be interesting. One last thing

1509
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 2: on this, I just want to I want to circle

1510
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 2: back if I can. Just last thing wean't to go

1511
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: on the athletic commissions. Man, the athletic commissions. I just

1512
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 2: can't say enough bad things about them, to be perfectly honest.

1513
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 2: I really feel like they have let the fighters down,

1514
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,959
Speaker 2: they've let the sport down, and frankly, they're mostly cowards.

1515
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 2: If we can just be on honest or a bare minimum.

1516
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 2: If they're not, if you don't want to make a

1517
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: judgment about their character, something has gone wrong. Let me

1518
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 2: tell you a conversation I had so the last day

1519
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: I worked was at August twelfth, the Showtime Boxing event

1520
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 2: between Lopez and Rodriguez at Oxon Hill at the MGM

1521
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 2: National Harbor, and I got to call the fight with

1522
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: Steven Bredman Edwards, who is just one of the best

1523
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: guys in the sport. I can't say them good things

1524
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 2: about him. By the way, here's a interesting twist. Stephen

1525
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: Bredman Edwards is from Philly. He trains a bunch of

1526
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 2: Philly boxers. He has a fighter by the name of

1527
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 2: Jay Rock, Julian Williams, and Julia Williams is maybe one

1528
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 2: of the biggest wins of his career was over one

1529
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: of the guys from my neck of the woods, Jared Hurd,

1530
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: which took place at the Eagle Bank Arena in the

1531
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: Patriots Center then in Fairfax, Virginia. They knew it was

1532
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 2: going to be an inside fight, so bred Mean Edwards

1533
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 2: hired Eddie Alvarez to train Jay Rock to kind of

1534
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 2: like pummel and work on the inside, all that kind

1535
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 2: of inside wrestling and boxing so he could get ready

1536
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: for the Jarrett Herd fight. Jay Rock was the underdog

1537
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: and went and beat Herd based off some of that

1538
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 2: training that Eddie Alvarez gave him, so shouts to bretman Edwards,

1539
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 2: fucking smart guy out of Philly. He knows a lot.

1540
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: But you know, he was having a conversation with me

1541
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: about like how do we fix judging and boxing? And

1542
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, what is the common denominator between the

1543
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 2: MMA conversations and the boxing conversations. It's that our athletic

1544
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: commissions are absolutely making no mistake about it, failed institutions.

1545
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 2: Some are better than others. The ones in California, I

1546
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: think they're doing a much better job than the ones

1547
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: in Florida or Tech are the one in Florida or Texas?

1548
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 2: Please make please don't mist understand me. And some of

1549
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 2: the people in these commissions are trying their best. I

1550
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 2: understand that.

1551
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 3: And it's not like Pennsylvania's got like a tough reputation

1552
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 3: for doing things by the book. Yes, yes, correct, you

1553
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 3: don't see a ton of big fights there, to be fair,

1554
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 3: you a ton of big fights.

1555
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, fair enough. There are some who are trying.

1556
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is the Association of Boxing Commissions

1557
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: and some of the bigger commissions in place, they are failing, failing,

1558
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 2: in the most dramatic of ways. Now, maybe that tide

1559
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 2: will turn because guys like Eric mcgracket are trying to

1560
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 2: get the Athletes Committee to have more say over potential

1561
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 2: rules of appeal. But just think of it. If you're

1562
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: a fighter and the referee does the worst job ever

1563
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,959
Speaker 2: or the judge does the worst job ever, what recourse

1564
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: do you have? You have nothing. You have nothing. And

1565
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 2: if your promotional deal is completely one sided in favor

1566
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: of the promoter, what is the commission gonna do? Fucking nothing?

1567
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 2: They're gonna do nothing for you, They're gonna help nothing.

1568
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: So this is why when fighters get mad at the media,

1569
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 2: I lose my mind. Not that we are above reproach,

1570
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: far from it, but that when you really look at

1571
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: the problems in the industry, it is the folks whose

1572
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 2: job they are tasked with protecting you they don't. They don't.

1573
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: My job is not to protect any one entity. It's

1574
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: to the best of my approximation, to tell the truth. Well,

1575
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 2: here's the truth, guys. The people whose job it is

1576
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: to protect fighters fucking don't. So let's reshift this conversation

1577
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 2: a little bit going forward about what really is the

1578
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 2: problem in the MMA industry, Whose fault is it and

1579
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: what can really be done to fix it? I would

1580
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 2: love for that kind of change to happen. Be see,

1581
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: even though I know it's not the most realistic.

1582
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 3: You keep talking that type of truth, You're gonna get

1583
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 3: a knock on your door, Luke, and they're gonna with

1584
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 3: a sword put a big z in it.

1585
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you mean like Puss in boots? Uh?

1586
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, be careful on being that open. I mean, yeah,

1587
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 3: there are there were this. I mean, I hope this

1588
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 3: doesn't turn into the uh the Heraldo al Capone vaults scenario.

1589
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 2: Luke.

1590
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 3: You know how dialed in for that I was as

1591
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,440
Speaker 3: a kid man. That was a major disappointment.

1592
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 2: I missed all of that as a kid, I believe

1593
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: it or not.

1594
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, dude, For like months, that was all

1595
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 3: I cared about. They're gonna open al capones of all.

1596
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 3: That's gonna be awesome. There's gonna be Tommy guns in there,

1597
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 3: and everyone's gonna look like Dick Tracy.

1598
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: No, Luke, it's not credits to my mom. She didn't

1599
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 2: let me do my this is true story my mom.

1600
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: When I was in high school. Uh, there was like

1601
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 2: we obviously had cable TV, but you had like a

1602
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 2: local cable office you could go and get your sign

1603
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 2: ups at My mom went to the local TV cable

1604
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 2: office and was like, I want you to block MTV

1605
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 2: in the house. She wouldn't even let me have And

1606
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,759
Speaker 2: I never watched vis in Buttet until I got to college.

1607
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 2: It was like, dude.

1608
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 3: You missed spring break in the early nineties.

1609
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 2: No, no, remember, Remember I stayed with my dad. I

1610
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 2: could see my dad. My dad would just let me,

1611
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: you know, watch.

1612
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 3: Behead is over there by the table, clean.

1613
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: Ext at the end of the room. Look all right,

1614
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 2: Topic number three, Let's move through this one a little

1615
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: bit quickly if we can, bec because the first two

1616
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 2: ones took a while. We got some fight announcements for you,

1617
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 2: got some fight announcements for you BC UFC or not.

1618
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 2: Are they calling it notcha UFC or UFC notch I.

1619
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 3: Don't know UFC not Chase, So that means UFC night, right,

1620
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 3: it's the night of the.

1621
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 2: Uf September sixteenth, of course in Vegas. What do you

1622
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 2: make of this one? Kevin Holland taking on Jack DALEA Maddelena.

1623
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I love the fight a lot, really Mexican.

1624
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 2: But they might fight like some some Mexican boxers, right.

1625
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might, they might in this regard. Yeah, Luke,

1626
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 3: I love this fight. I absolutely love this fight.

1627
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 2: And you know, big test has.

1628
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,839
Speaker 3: Kevin Holland turned a corner for in terms of figuring

1629
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 3: out how to dial down a bit of the excess

1630
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 3: in the cowboys spirit inside of him. He looked like

1631
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 3: it last time out, Luke, he did look like it.

1632
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,839
Speaker 3: No tough ast fight, but there is a big reward

1633
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 3: and he is a gunslinger. Luke, this does seem like

1634
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 3: the right gamble at the right time though, right they

1635
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 3: like to take a fight this big like it seems

1636
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 3: it's time, let's do it.

1637
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 2: It's a big risk for Jack d la Medelene. I mean,

1638
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 2: obviously he has looked really good through the vast majority

1639
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 2: of his career. I know some folks you know, don't

1640
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 2: necessarily love his last fight as much, but I would

1641
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 2: say that, you know, he has such high potential, boy,

1642
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 2: Kevin Holland's going to be a real tough test of that.

1643
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 2: Kevin Holland, Man, he's had ups and downs obviously across

1644
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 2: now one seventy, but do you look at who he's fought.

1645
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 2: Has he fought guys better than Jack DALEA Mattelana, Yes, yeah, yes,

1646
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: he hasn't beaten all of them. You know, he fights

1647
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 2: like the.

1648
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 3: Son of a bitch, Luke.

1649
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 2: I mean he he's like real talented, Like, you know,

1650
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: the guy is good. This is a very tough fight.

1651
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 3: He's not only stingy, Luke. He'll finish you too, you

1652
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Like he's dangerous, like like, yeah,

1653
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 3: he while he hasn't figured out consistency yet, the fly,

1654
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: he can flash big and he can catch.

1655
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 2: You and and dude, he's got big power too. People

1656
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 2: forget that fucking Holland can thump. Like that's a real

1657
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 2: tough fight for JDM. All right, Michelle Paeda taking on

1658
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 2: Mark Andre Berrio UFC, Vegas eighty one, October fourteenth. If

1659
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 2: you care, I hope it makes wait.

1660
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 3: I mean, look at yeah, by the.

1661
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: Way, they're making him move up. They're making him move up.

1662
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 3: Oh you wait, they're making him move up full time.

1663
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 3: From that.

1664
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't know about full time, but I believe this

1665
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: one they're making him move up.

1666
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 3: I mean, he does have five wins in a row

1667
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 3: at Walter. Wait, I get if he can't make it.

1668
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 3: But I didn't. I didn't realize that it was that.

1669
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 3: I thought it was just one bad miss, you know

1670
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 3: what I mean? But maybe what do I.

1671
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 2: It was a bad miss though, you know, and it

1672
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: caused all of the issues with Wonderble and everything else.

1673
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 2: And by the way, they're like, oh, we offered wonder

1674
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,879
Speaker 2: boy a last minute fight. It's like, guys, he doesn't

1675
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 2: want a last minute fight. It doesn't like it's pretty

1676
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 2: clear at age forty he doesn't want that shit, Okay.

1677
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,480
Speaker 2: Angela Hill taken on Denise or Denisse Gomes or Gomez,

1678
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: UFC Salpolo, November fourth, Angela Hill STI out there thugging

1679
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: it out against tough opponents and unfavorable circumstances. Yeah, BC,

1680
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: Hudelpho v I love this fight. Jandolpho Vierre taken on

1681
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 2: Armand Patroci and UFC Salpolo, November four. Striker versus Grappler.

1682
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 2: I mean that's what it is, right, Striker versus grappler.

1683
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 3: And that that gentleman is Armenian too.

1684
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I mean that's the most Armenian name Armand.

1685
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, armind Hammer Luke.

1686
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I mean, come on, Elizu's Aleski Dos

1687
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 2: Santos taken on Renot for Kretdinov. For Kretanov is the

1688
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 2: guy who retired basically Kevin Lee. Same contest UFC sal Polo,

1689
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 2: So that'd be a fun one. How about this one

1690
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 2: which they announced I found this after the fact. They

1691
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: announced this in the weirdest fucking way possible. Jessica Androge

1692
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 2: taking on Mackenzie durn UFC two ninety five, November eleventh.

1693
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: What do you make of that one? It's like I've

1694
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: been warning Androge after this run, she's been on like

1695
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: time out, take a breath. Yet's figure this out. I

1696
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: don't hate the fight in the sense of, like what

1697
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: would it look like if these two match up? I

1698
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 2: think it's kind of cool. Actually I'm not that bitter

1699
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: at that. But like the career advice that Jessica and

1700
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 2: Droge is either getting or rejecting or whatever, I don't

1701
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 2: know how much sense it makes.

1702
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's she's cashing herself out. She's squeezing out the

1703
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 3: sponge very aggressively, if not recklessly, And it's not that

1704
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 3: like is there a you know, obviously there's a warrior

1705
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 3: inside of her and a competitor, and maybe this is

1706
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 3: just sort of like, Okay, I'm on this bad run.

1707
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 3: Give me somebody who I feel like I'm assuming here,

1708
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 3: but I'm saying, you know, give me somebody in Durn

1709
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 3: who are there are some holes that could be exploited there.

1710
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,560
Speaker 3: This is a somewhat interesting, you know, contrast in styles,

1711
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 3: but man, she could not be on a worst run

1712
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 3: of of of making mistakes and paying dearly for them.

1713
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,799
Speaker 3: This feels reckless, man, it does. It feels.

1714
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: It feels like when I think about Androge at her peak,

1715
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 2: like if that person is able to show up, she's

1716
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 2: gonna beat the brakes off Mackenzie Durn right, because she'll

1717
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 2: be able to resist the takedown. She's she's strong, she

1718
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: can slam her.

1719
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 3: Urn's got a chin.

1720
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 2: Durn's got a chin. But you know, Androge got a

1721
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 2: big punch, a big punch. But if durn can really

1722
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 2: turn the corner a little bit more like she did

1723
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: in her last fight, holy shit, you got something going here.

1724
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's I don't mind Androge taking it

1725
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: if the real Androge can show up, but if she's

1726
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 2: just taking this to like burn through a contract or

1727
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: just to take a fight just to do whatever, or.

1728
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 3: To double down that, yeah, double down and just risk

1729
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 3: it all. But I don't know. Look, I feel also

1730
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 3: UFC wants durn to eventually fight for the title. I mean,

1731
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 3: she's a there's a commercial side to what she brings.

1732
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 3: There's no question they may this looks transparent, like they

1733
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 3: believe that she would easily take down and submit Androge.

1734
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 3: So could they fast track her for a title after that? Luke,

1735
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 3: I mean that'd be a little reckless the times. Look,

1736
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 3: I am card carrying club member number one on the

1737
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 3: idea that Dern still has time to put it all

1738
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 3: together and will end up fighting for that title. She'll

1739
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,839
Speaker 3: get there, Luke. The question is that I want it earned.

1740
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 3: And now I'm projecting here, but this does feel like

1741
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 3: a setup to like, Okay, let's let's give her a

1742
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 3: chance to finish a former champion, a name, so we

1743
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 3: can stamp her and get her ready, you know, when

1744
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 3: it's time to go in there against way Lee and

1745
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 3: what would be a very interesting fight on paper, right

1746
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 3: in terms of selling it, yeah, it'd be very interesting,

1747
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 3: But don't you want I want her to earn it first.

1748
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 3: I want her to beat the Marina Hadriguez level, right

1749
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 3: like that? That's I want to get a couple of

1750
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 3: those under I ask you, Yeah, I need more from Dern,

1751
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 3: don't you.

1752
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 2: I mean she thought Hadriguez a nearly one, right, I

1753
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 2: mean I.

1754
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 3: Need her to beat that level, is what I'm saying.

1755
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 2: You know, Well, again, she turned a bit of a

1756
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 2: corner in her last contest. Let's see what she looks

1757
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 2: like this time, right.

1758
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean divorce suited her well, Luke in

1759
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 3: terms of the performance, but it was against Angela Hill,

1760
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 3: which there are levels to that, Luke.

1761
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 2: Fair enough. How about this one KKFKKR Franz dropping out

1762
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 2: of his UFC two Andy three fight against manil Cop

1763
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 2: after suffering a concussion. Minil Cop gets on Twitter and

1764
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 2: is like, oh, you have three weeks to recover, Manel.

1765
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 2: That's not how long it takes to recover from a concussion.

1766
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, sir, Yeah did he So he got knocked out, Luke,

1767
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 3: I mean it happened.

1768
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 2: I guess he got either knocked out or injured in

1769
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: or you know, got his bell rung in training. I

1770
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 2: don't know exactly the extent of how bad it was,

1771
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 2: but it was bad enough where he had concussion symptoms

1772
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 2: and you know, credit to KKF, credit to his team,

1773
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 2: credit to wh whoever advised him. Hey man, like there's

1774
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 2: a life after this. Don't do this shit because I did.

1775
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 2: I've seen people, for example, I've seen people in jiu

1776
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,560
Speaker 2: jitsu like accidentally take a knee and they got a concussion,

1777
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 2: and you know, they tried to come back too early

1778
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 2: and like do Like I know, guys like who for

1779
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 2: years after that had like sensitivity to light got headaches.

1780
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 2: Like your brain is so delicate, you know.

1781
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 3: I know, Yet we cover this sport in which the

1782
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 3: target is to is to you know, get to the brand.

1783
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 3: I mean, what the hell are we doing, Luke. I mean,

1784
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 3: we were right to protest against power slapt, but what

1785
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 3: the hell are we doing? Luke?

1786
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: This is the whole point. It's like, if you're gonna

1787
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 2: do it, you gotta make sure that the industry is

1788
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: constructed on reasonably equitable terms.

1789
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 3: And it's just how upset are you with your home

1790
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 3: nation that according to Dana, like three hundred million people

1791
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 3: are watching power slip.

1792
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of board people in India. I guess,

1793
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. By the way, did you see that

1794
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 2: they put it? They put a. They had. They the

1795
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 2: I believe India had a lunar landing today.

1796
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 3: They were.

1797
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were able to get a A to the moon,

1798
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: to the moon, Yeah they had. They were on the

1799
01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 2: south I think the south pole of the Moon. They

1800
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 2: were able to land.

1801
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1802
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna do some exploration. Pretty interesting.

1803
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 3: That's one small step for man Luke.

1804
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: And one giant giant for mankind.

1805
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 3: Didn't buzz Aldrin said it never happened. Didn't that happen?

1806
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 3: Or did I make that up?

1807
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: No, he said it. I think he got the wording

1808
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 2: of it a little bit wrong. But let's move along here,

1809
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 2: b see if we can. Uh, this one to me

1810
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 2: is kind of interestingly important.

1811
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 3: Look, it's pretty important, all right to discuss the they've

1812
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 3: been lying to us all this time, and that was

1813
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 3: really a sound stage in Carson.

1814
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 2: Oh no, even the moon landing being Come on, I mean,

1815
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 2: you're all, we're all have to believe dumb shit, and

1816
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 2: lord knows I have.

1817
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure about the moon yet, Luke. But

1818
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 3: I'll get back to you, okay, all right.

1819
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 2: Last, but not least, this one is kind of interesting.

1820
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 2: Everyone's like your whins of MMA fight are going to

1821
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 2: our wins of box gonna come and fight MMA, well

1822
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 2: when it's worth a ship to him basically is the answer,

1823
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 2: because you see it all the time. On the women's side,

1824
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 2: Amanda Serrano joining PFL. We already seen Clarissa Shields joined PFL.

1825
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 2: How about Holly Holm going from boxing obviously the MMA.

1826
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 2: We have another one BC Savannah Marshall, who is a

1827
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: longtime foe of Clarissa Shields, has signed with PFL, so

1828
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 2: they now have Shields, Serrano and Marshall. I want to

1829
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 2: pump this to you as the boxing guy here of

1830
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 2: the two of us, what does this represent for PFL.

1831
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: Who is Savannah Marshall? Why does this matter?

1832
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 3: Well, this is big because she's one of the Pamfer

1833
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 3: Palm best fighters in the world right now, and she's

1834
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 3: the undisputed super middleweight champion at one sixty eight. Her

1835
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 3: only loss was against Clarissa Shields for the middleweight title

1836
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 3: and it was really fun and it was you know,

1837
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 3: it was one of the It was really arguably the

1838
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 3: second greatest women's fight of all time to Taylor Serrano.

1839
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 3: That just happened, you know, just before it. So we're

1840
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 3: certainly in this golden era of renaissance women's boxing for sure,

1841
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 3: but like, what does this signing represent. Well, look, Savannah

1842
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 3: Marshall is obviously, you know, a rising star in the UK.

1843
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 3: It seems very strategic. But what this still represents to

1844
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 3: me is for as much as we're talking about m

1845
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 3: may stars selling their souls to boxing, once they finally

1846
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 3: become have their moment, like O'Malley the second he wins

1847
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 3: the bandam White titles suddenly talking about, Yeah, I'm gonna

1848
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 3: fight Gervonta Davis and it will happen and I'm gonna

1849
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 3: win that, and we're all like weird deja vu, like

1850
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 3: so soon this is what we're doing. On the flip side,

1851
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 3: in women's boxing, it still seems like they can get

1852
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 3: better treatment than what's available to them, and you know,

1853
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 3: going over to MMA, now that may not be completely

1854
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 3: fair all the way around. And there have been some

1855
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 3: great changes. I mean, give Eddie Hern and Matriom credit,

1856
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 3: Like they've taken Katie Taylor and made women's boxing like

1857
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 3: the main event, made it a monster attraction and it

1858
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,959
Speaker 3: created a great ripple effect with the success of Floressa

1859
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 3: Shields and the other names that have had great moments

1860
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 3: and finally Amanda Serrano signing with Jake Paul of all

1861
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 3: people and getting treatment, placement and money that she was

1862
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,879
Speaker 3: unable to when she was winning titles in seven divisions.

1863
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 3: So what we're still seeing is that in women's boxing

1864
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 3: there's still potentially more money to go do something like this.

1865
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 3: But Luke Savannah Marshall is big, she's aggressive, as we know,

1866
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 3: she's one of the rare like knockout punchers in women's boxing,

1867
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 3: like one punch knockout threats. The whole idea of her

1868
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 3: having an MMA match with Gratia Shields or Amanda Serrano,

1869
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 3: like this is carnival promotion, but it's also like has

1870
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 3: the potential to be really entertaining and really competitive. Like

1871
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 3: I'm not saying any of these boxers on the on

1872
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 3: the crossover here can be title contenders or can or

1873
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 3: can make a quick adjustment. It may happen. We may

1874
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 3: find it in one person, probably not likely, but them

1875
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 3: against one another as a as a fishing, you know,

1876
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 3: bait to try to get us to get into pfl's

1877
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 3: pay per view launch with Jake Paul and Francis and Gano.

1878
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 3: This is something it might work, and if it's a

1879
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 3: great opportunity for them to get money that they can't

1880
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 3: get in women's boxing, because there are limits at the

1881
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 3: moment in terms of how much women's boxing has crossed over.

1882
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 3: It's crossed over huge Luke. But wouldn't you say not

1883
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 3: huge enough, not far enough? If this this is still

1884
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 3: a very viable option. I mean, we don't. We didn't

1885
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 3: see the financials, but you'd have to believe PFL is

1886
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 3: making it beyond worth their while to do this.

1887
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: They must be I mean, everyone, this is the issue.

1888
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 2: It's like why don't why don't boxers cross over? And

1889
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm talking about on the men's side, like why don't

1890
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 2: mail boxers cross over? To why the fuck would they?

1891
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 2: It's a sport that they don't know shit about other

1892
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 2: than a little bit of the boxing, which again, if

1893
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:28,719
Speaker 2: you're wrestling or if you're doing jiu jitsu or even kicking,

1894
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 2: they don't know shit about it. Mud Crawford even telling

1895
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan like Joe's like, you can wrestle, you can box,

1896
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 2: why don't you MMA is like that kick and shit

1897
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,919
Speaker 2: is not with me? And I get that. I completely understand.

1898
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 2: So like there's that and also you're gonna make less money.

1899
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 2: Why the fuck would you do that? Why would you

1900
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 2: do that? So the whole thing that's positioning on the

1901
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 2: women's side to get them to come over is they're

1902
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 2: able to get more money, and I think the PFL

1903
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 2: is just realizing women's boxing as an industry has had

1904
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 2: some big improvements in the last few years. I would

1905
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 2: say BC, but is basically underserved. It's an underserved industry

1906
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 2: and they need some kind of a gimmick PFL does

1907
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 2: to make it all work, or probably paying them a

1908
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 2: lot more than they otherwise be able to get. Also BC,

1909
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 2: like if you got a striking rematch in MMA terms

1910
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 2: between Marshall and Shields, I got to tell you that.

1911
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 2: Like people are like, oh, is that interesting? I think

1912
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 2: I love boxing, and I think that's actually more interesting

1913
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 2: to a degree if I mean more interesting is a

1914
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 2: strong word. But it's very intriguing to me to get there,

1915
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 2: to get them to fight on MMA terms, knowing that

1916
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 2: both probably won't go for a takedown, but they might

1917
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 2: clinch up. You know, there's a whole bunch of different

1918
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,560
Speaker 2: ways that could go. The power might be enhanced with

1919
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 2: the smaller gloves, which I do think kind of matters

1920
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 2: to the women's game. Yeah, dude, Like, I gotta tell

1921
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 2: you that that is kind of interesting to me a

1922
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 2: little bit. When you can get strike first boxers obviously

1923
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 2: coming over into the MMA side and keeping that strike

1924
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 2: first option, it's kind of fun to be. To be

1925
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 2: quite candid, I believe we have a video, Luke, right, Yeah,

1926
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 2: let's see this. We have a by the way, before

1927
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 2: we throw to this, didn't Savannah Marshall be like, hey,

1928
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 2: remember when we had I don't want to like get

1929
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 2: this wrong. You see did she say? Didn't she accuse

1930
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 2: her and Clarissa of having like some kind of sexual

1931
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 2: relationship before their last fight. Do you remember that?

1932
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was weird. She was like, I thought it

1933
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 3: was some level of taunting to try to like play

1934
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 3: Clarissa's words against her, but it was weird.

1935
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 2: It was weird. I don't know if she gets to

1936
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,759
Speaker 2: it here, but let's roll the clip talking about mme fight.

1937
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 4: About someone you've already fought in boxing. We actually spoke

1938
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 4: to Clarissa Shields about you coming over to the PFL,

1939
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 4: you starting your journey of mixed martial arts, and we

1940
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 4: got her thoughts. I want you to hear what she

1941
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 4: said about it. If Chase you can play it for

1942
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 4: me Laressa versus Savannah in an MMA rematch? Does that

1943
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 4: interest you?

1944
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 3: As us LAMB got her?

1945
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 5: You understand me. I go right for her leg I

1946
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 5: want to have to stand over her for what? For

1947
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 5: what I've been doing mm A for almost two years?

1948
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 5: I'm not finna stand up with her in there. As

1949
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 5: soon as we go in there, I'm going right for

1950
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 5: her legs, and the thing is with them. She wants

1951
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 5: to do everything that like that I do. She wants

1952
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 5: her life to be just intertwined with mine so bad.

1953
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 3: It's like you are thirty and now you want to

1954
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 3: do MMA. She didn't want to be connected to me.

1955
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 5: She just want to She wants me to. She want

1956
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 5: to wrestle with me and sof so if she wanted

1957
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 5: to get in there and she want to do an

1958
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,440
Speaker 5: MMA fight, I would gladly kick her ass again.

1959
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 3: Again? Why not?

1960
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 4: So? What do you think of that I can't wait

1961
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 4: up through?

1962
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 2: Does it change things a little bit? Given the fight

1963
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: that it would be an MMA fight?

1964
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 3: Is that?

1965
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? You get the idea. He goes on there and

1966
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 2: they kind of rap about it.

1967
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 3: It's a good gimmick. Look, it's a good gimmick. Good

1968
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 3: gimmick it is, it is.

1969
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 2: I've been doing MMA for two years. It's like sort

1970
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 2: of right, like, yeah, I definitely respect what she's done.

1971
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 2: By the way, her and Bud Crawford only people who

1972
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 2: have done going undisputed in two weight classes. Shouts of

1973
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: the respect for her, but saying you've done MMA for

1974
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 2: two years, it's like sort of sorts right.

1975
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 3: But she has gone to like Jackson Wink and put

1976
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 3: in some time and that there's gonna be an advantage

1977
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 3: potentially depending on what type of training Savannah Marshall has had. Yeah,

1978
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 3: it's interesting and like I said, they're gonna need some gimmicks. Luke,

1979
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 3: Jake Paul's a gimmick. Franz and Gonno'm not a gimmick,

1980
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 3: but they're gonna need some gimmicks here.

1981
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 2: All right, let's move along if we can here. But

1982
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 2: we got a lot of topics today. Jesus Christ topic

1983
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 2: number four. To be fair, I know Connor McGregor update,

1984
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how much we have to say about this.

1985
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 2: Let's if I can talk over it. Mikey put up

1986
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 2: the graphic because I want to read it here. Let

1987
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 2: me read it to you. Quote This is Connor McGregor

1988
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 2: talking on one of his Twitter notes that he does

1989
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 2: he loves to leave voice notes for some reason. He says, quote,

1990
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 2: They're not going to let me fight in December, ladies

1991
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 2: and gentlemen. I feel like I'm being kept from my livelihood,

1992
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 2: and I've been feeling this four years now. BC. I

1993
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 2: guess Dana White in the last couple of weeks has

1994
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 2: been pretty adamant that he's not going to be on

1995
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 2: a December card. It'll probably be in early twenty twenty four.

1996
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 2: I still don't know how that necessarily coheres with a

1997
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 2: USADA timeline. That all could be a little bit funky.

1998
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. But what do you make of him

1999
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 2: saying I've been kept from my livelihood and I've been

2000
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 2: feeling this way for years because I have a different

2001
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 2: view on this than you.

2002
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's ridiculous, Luke. He could be in

2003
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 3: this livelihood if he would have, you know, made completed

2004
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 3: the comeback that he's been teasing for three years. Like

2005
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 3: we understand, there was a significant injury, but he's milked

2006
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 3: this a long time, Luke. And if you really wanted

2007
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 3: to have fought Chandler already would have done it, he

2008
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 3: would have gotten the testing pool. How they end up

2009
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 3: mastaging this into a fight even in like January is

2010
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 3: going to be interesting. Maybe they'll just announce that he'll

2011
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 3: do a modified three month you know thing, or maybe

2012
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 3: they'll just say fit uh ask Novitsky. That's his business.

2013
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 3: I don't care about that ship, all right. My job

2014
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 3: is to make non gimmick fights. Yeah, Luke, it's it's

2015
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 3: it's comical to me. But you know, also I just

2016
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 3: interviewed Junior Do Santos and you can watch that on

2017
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 3: on our Morning Combat YouTube channel ahead of his you

2018
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 3: know game bred bare knuckle MMA fight with Fabricio over Doom,

2019
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 3: and he's like, I never felt this good before. I'm

2020
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 3: so happy to be done with you, Sada. Now I

2021
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 3: can take all the supplements I want that make me

2022
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 3: feel and look young, like he literally said it, Luke, Like,

2023
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 3: we know what's really the USADA truth here.

2024
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,680
Speaker 2: But well, you know, when when when my aging heavyweights

2025
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 2: fight bare knuckle MMA, I want to make sure that

2026
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 2: they do it on a spare I guess that's really

2027
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 2: the most important thing too.

2028
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 3: I just love that, and he said it endearingly, not

2029
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 3: that he's like bragging or trying to be like juice

2030
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 3: baby Like he just means like, yeah, I can take

2031
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 3: things that were in the band list for you, Sada,

2032
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 3: but yeah, those things are called anabolic steroids. Is probably

2033
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 3: you know, little powder pieces of them in your supplements,

2034
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 3: which is yeah, I love it. Look, I mean, this

2035
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 3: would be this McGregor fiasco would be a nice time

2036
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 3: for UFC to be like, hey, guys, we only did

2037
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 3: the U side of thing to make the twenty sixteen

2038
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 3: sail be completely legit. We're past that era now, so

2039
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 3: you know, let's let's let the State commissions handle it. Okay,

2040
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 3: Let's let the urine test, the unsupervised urine test of

2041
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 3: the State Commissions figure it out.

2042
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,759
Speaker 2: Dude, How can anybody? So I was able to watch

2043
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 2: I got on a VPN on my phone and I

2044
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 2: was able to watch the Chris Widman fight live. I

2045
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 2: was going to bed that night when I was watching

2046
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 2: the Chris Widman fight with Brad Tavares. How can anybody

2047
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 2: watch that fight and fault McGregor for doing what he did?

2048
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 2: I mean, fucking seriously, like the idea that we have

2049
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 2: a sport that causes this kind of trauma and that

2050
01:37:55,400 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 2: the methods of rehabilitation are supposed to be exclusive to war.

2051
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 2: What USADA says is acceptable, it seems like a complete

2052
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 2: fucking joke. I mean, the notion that you can break

2053
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 2: your shin and all of the problems that come with that,

2054
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:20,520
Speaker 2: and that your literal quality of life for the entirety

2055
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 2: of how much longer you live could be affected for

2056
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 2: that much less your ability to even compete in a professional,

2057
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 2: high level professional mixed martial arts about can be compromised.

2058
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:35,639
Speaker 2: How on earth can people say that like McGregor didn't

2059
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 2: have a right to do what he did. I mean,

2060
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,640
Speaker 2: I realized he didn't have a contractual right like he

2061
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 2: just And by the way, everyone's like, well, if he

2062
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 2: came back before the six months you know of the

2063
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 2: USADA window, that would make a mocker of Yousada motherfucker's

2064
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 2: he's still eligible to be ranked and didn't retire. It's

2065
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 2: already made one. I guess it would make it worse.

2066
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 2: I understand that argument, fair, I would escalate it. Okay, fine,

2067
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 2: I understand that point, and I understand UFC does not

2068
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 2: want to be in a place where MacGregor comes back

2069
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:07,879
Speaker 2: and pisses hot. I get it. I understand. I totally understand.

2070
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 2: Put yourself in McGregor's shoes, Fuck the wealth, fuck everything else.

2071
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 2: You have now broken your shinbone completely, which is an

2072
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 2: injury you might have a limp from the rest of

2073
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 2: your fucking life, to be on top of any other

2074
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 2: problems it could cause, and they want you to do

2075
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 2: this in a USADA approved way. Get the fuck out

2076
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 2: of here, Please be serious, be serious. That is such

2077
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 2: ridiculous nonsense. I can't even believe people are entertaining it.

2078
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 2: The level of medical rehabilitation needs to be commensurate with

2079
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:43,719
Speaker 2: the level of injury. That's the reality and the level

2080
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 2: of quality of life you want to have after it.

2081
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 2: And for people to say that that shouldn't be in

2082
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 2: incongruence just blows my goddamn mind about this. I cannot

2083
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 2: believe we're even entertaining it. So I get why the

2084
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 2: UFCBC is covering their ass on this one. I get it.

2085
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 2: I get it. Understand. I don't fault McGregor even a

2086
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 2: little bit, even a little bit for doing what he did.

2087
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 2: Good for him to protect himself in whatever way him

2088
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 2: and his medical team thought was in his best interest.

2089
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 3: Get painting him. You're painting him a bit as a

2090
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 3: Robin Hood. So that's why I said, look, maybe it

2091
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 3: is time that UFC just pulls back the curtain and

2092
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 3: and just says again like, we don't, we don't, we

2093
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 3: don't want this battle. We're not even gonna have a

2094
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 3: deal with you. Sided Like again, it's on the commissions.

2095
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 3: They can handle it. They could do that. Look, they

2096
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 3: actually could do that. But it maybe it's weird that

2097
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 3: you're painting McGregor though as like a hero in this case.

2098
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 2: It's not. It's not it's not a it's not a hero.

2099
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 2: It's not exactly that. And and Robin Hood isn't quite

2100
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 2: the right description because Robin Hood stole from the rich

2101
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 2: and gave to the poor. Yeah, here's a guy who

2102
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 2: is already wealthy, just protecting himself. But the point being

2103
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 2: is he has the monetary means to do things that

2104
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 2: other guys don't, and so he exer and then also

2105
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:00,759
Speaker 2: you know a little bit of cash with the company,

2106
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 2: so he's able to do things and kind of get

2107
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 2: away with it that no one else does. So he's

2108
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 2: not Robinhood in any capacity. I don't want to think that.

2109
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,879
Speaker 2: What I am saying is if you're in his position

2110
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:14,600
Speaker 2: and you've suffered this devastating injury and again look what

2111
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 2: it did to Wiban, and he's like, I'm gonna come

2112
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 2: back stronger, dude. I have great respect for Chris Weibin.

2113
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 2: I have great respect for his coaching team. No you

2114
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 2: are not. No, you are not. That is absolutely not

2115
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 2: in the cards whatsoever. When you see something like that

2116
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 2: and a guy was like taking precautions and medical treatments

2117
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 2: outside of what the standard purview of this antidoping regime

2118
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 2: would ordinarily allow. I just don't understand how folks can

2119
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 2: be like angry at him. I just don't get it.

2120
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: I can get you want to say, well wait your turn,

2121
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 2: go back through the system, and blah blah blah. I

2122
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 2: can understand that, but like, well, this is all fucked

2123
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 2: up because you had to do that shit. Yeah, he

2124
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 2: had to do that shit, because we're talking about an

2125
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 2: injury where that could hobble you for life. Like, be

2126
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 2: serious about what this guy's up against. He did not

2127
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 2: break his arm in a normal sense. He did not

2128
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 2: tear an acl which by itself would also be potentially debilitating.

2129
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 2: This is a horrific car crash level injury that by

2130
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 2: the way, even if he does make it back to

2131
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 2: the cage, is he ever going to be the same

2132
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 2: from it. I just don't understand how you could be

2133
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 2: mad at someone who has means, who took extra means

2134
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 2: to safeguard his future. I just don't. I don't get

2135
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 2: that at all.

2136
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 3: I mean that we should be mad if we're mad

2137
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 3: at anybody, we should be at the UFC. For Dana

2138
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 3: just always punting and acting like it to bother to

2139
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 3: him and he doesn't care, well, then change the system,

2140
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 3: like I said, change the system and the responsibility, because

2141
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 3: you do have these rules in place. When you don't

2142
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 3: follow him, it's not only comical, it's potentially liable. I mean,

2143
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 3: let's not forget like they made the exception for brock Lessner,

2144
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 3: who they should have known and probably did, but just

2145
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,559
Speaker 3: you know, wanted that UFC two hundred thing to hit

2146
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 3: with a bang, and you know, with John Jones falling out,

2147
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 3: they needed rock in the end. But he, you know,

2148
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 3: shamelessly popped for two major things on multiple tests there

2149
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 3: and then there's a big lawsuit from mark On afterwards.

2150
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 3: So there is responsibility on UFC to follow its on rules. Well,

2151
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 3: then don't publicly dismiss them and act like they don't

2152
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 3: matter to you or they don't apply, and that's Noviitsky's job. Like,

2153
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 3: that's that's where this dog and pony show is just like,

2154
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 3: let's get to some level of honesty, because if these

2155
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 3: drugs actually could help speeding up the recovery and doing.

2156
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 2: It recovery, of course they do.

2157
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 3: When Kobe went to Germany, are you saying he used

2158
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 3: performance enhancing drugs in his knee?

2159
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what he did, but obviously he did

2160
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 2: enough where it's an issue, So I'm going to guess

2161
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 2: it's outside the purview of what you SAWA allows. Obviously,

2162
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 2: otherwise he wouldn't have had to remove himself from the

2163
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 2: pool if it was still that. I mean, that's just

2164
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 2: the reality. My point being is do we have the

2165
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 2: right Let me ask it this way. Are we allowing

2166
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:58,719
Speaker 2: fighters to take the necessary kinds of medical interventions given

2167
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,680
Speaker 2: the kinds of medical trauma that we are subjecting them to?

2168
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 2: And I would humbly submit to you. If guys like Dillashow,

2169
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 2: maybe he comes back in a couple of years after

2170
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 2: getting right, I know he retired, so it's his situation

2171
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 2: is different. But what I'm saying is if guys are

2172
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 2: able to go and do things that they're not allowed

2173
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,639
Speaker 2: to do in Usada and they're able to get much

2174
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 2: better medical outcomes, we need to ask ourselves do we

2175
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 2: allow proper medical treatment for the kinds of trauma that

2176
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 2: we routinely subject these guys to. I would submit to

2177
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 2: you that I think the equation is not quite right.

2178
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. That's very fair, Luke. That's why

2179
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 3: it's the onus, on the adult in the room, the

2180
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 3: UFC to figure this out, make a decision, tell us

2181
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 3: what's really happening, like seriously, like you know, because for

2182
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 3: like three months straight it was no, they're still fighting

2183
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 3: in December, even though we don't have any ruling on

2184
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 3: USADA and now they're very casual. You're like, nah, it'll

2185
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 3: be the first of the year, don't worry about Well,

2186
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 3: like this pretty big deal. So can we can we

2187
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,599
Speaker 3: be adults and talk about No? We can't, Luke, Okay,

2188
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 3: we can't raise your hand ever at a press conference

2189
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 3: and bring up some of these topics. I don't think

2190
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 3: anybody does, Luke. If you go back out on the road, now.

2191
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 2: Does anybody care? I mean, these press conferences are just

2192
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 2: designed for hey, speaking of press conference, this is what

2193
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 2: press conferences and at modern m m A this is boxing.

2194
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 2: We're about to show you, but this is what they've become.

2195
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 2: We're I want to be clear about something. We're only

2196
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 2: including this topic because it's so fucking hilarious. We just can't.

2197
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 2: We can't help ourselves. Topic number five. Did you guys

2198
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 2: see the K S I Paul press conference? It was

2199
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 2: everything that it was supposed to be. How about that?

2200
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 4: Right?

2201
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 2: It was?

2202
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 3: It was like it was like a Jersey Shore meets

2203
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 3: Johnny Bananas on the Uh it was challenge. It was yeah, exactly.

2204
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 2: Dude, some Morty Povich should have showed up and been like,

2205
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:53,120
Speaker 2: you are not the father.

2206
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 3: You're saying. They should have had that guy, Steve Wilcos

2207
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 3: be the host with the bald head Luke. That'd beat

2208
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:01,719
Speaker 3: if he was just a press conference host.

2209
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 2: Oh the cop who ended up being the security guy.

2210
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:05,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he had his own show.

2211
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 2: First things first, Mikey, do we have the the photo

2212
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 2: of the Dylan Dannis cake. I want to start there.

2213
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 2: Do we have that? I think we.

2214
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 3: Do so the logan video logan Paul's gonna box Dylan Dannis.

2215
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 3: Dylan Danis has been killing Logan Paul's fiance in like

2216
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 3: insanely aggressive sexual you know.

2217
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 2: Just I mean, just up to what's he been doing.

2218
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 3: So apparently Logan's fiance has been with other celebrities and

2219
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 3: other guys, and he is tracking down like every piece

2220
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:41,719
Speaker 3: of video and photo footage, and it's been meme season.

2221
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,639
Speaker 3: I mean, he's been aggressed because she has had.

2222
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 2: Other previous sexual partners.

2223
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 3: He's weaponizing this, but he's weaponizing it in an extremely

2224
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 3: aggressive manner. And so Logan's comeback here was to not

2225
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 3: just print out the banner of a picre of of

2226
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 3: Dani's getting choked out by that gearity guard at that restaurant.

2227
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 3: He also had a cake made of Danis with the

2228
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 3: tattoos in the perfect placement and a huge black eye

2229
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 3: and blood knocked out on the canvas with full cameltot.

2230
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, just a moose knuckle up in that bitch,

2231
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 2: I mean wow, not even trying, not even trying to

2232
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 2: hide it. So let's roll this video hole set it

2233
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 2: up here. Big John Fury was there because obviously it's

2234
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 2: KSI versus Tommy Fury, and then it's Logan Paul versus

2235
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 2: Dylan danis right just I mean, if you want to

2236
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 2: watch it, watch it. If you don't, I don't care.

2237
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 2: They've gone full.

2238
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 3: Jersey Shore and this may this may be what this

2239
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 3: bubble needs to stay alive. It really, it might be.

2240
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'm not sure how much of it

2241
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 2: is a bubble versus just now a separate industry which

2242
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 2: kind of bleeds a little bit into legit boxing, but

2243
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 2: not really neither here nor there. Big John Fury was like, yo,

2244
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 2: fuck this, Big John Fury was all of us, like,

2245
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 2: just walk it.

2246
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 3: Through and tell you so the press comfort starts Dannis

2247
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 3: and Logan Paul going after each other. At one point,

2248
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:03,600
Speaker 3: John Fury interrupted and started talking over them and was

2249
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 3: basically like what your teenagers? When are we going to

2250
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 3: talk about boxing? Like I'm sick of this bullshit? Like

2251
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:10,559
Speaker 3: when did we get and he was pissed off, Luke.

2252
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 3: So you knew as this thing got more and more

2253
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 3: ridiculous that the ticking time bomb of Big John was

2254
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 3: going to gypsy all over them, and it did.

2255
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 2: Right, Let's see it, Tom fighting Man fights him.

2256
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:25,440
Speaker 3: And I'll fight anywhere in the building.

2257
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 1: Now, let's get a fucking long Roland got before I

2258
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:36,080
Speaker 1: do it, John John.

2259
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 2: Little kids however sing.

2260
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 3: Anybody question why.

2261
01:48:40,960 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm dude, that's just I mean, listen, if you're John Fury,

2262
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 2: what is your job there? That that that is your

2263
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 2: job there. And by the way, the guy just stepping

2264
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 2: over the cake, I wish he would have stepped on

2265
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 2: top of it. That would have been so fucking great.

2266
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 3: Did you hear The one comeback from Dylan Dannis that

2267
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 3: worked was when John Fury initially interrupted them and big

2268
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 3: daddy them. He was like, why don't you tell your

2269
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 3: son to stop duck and oosik? And that was pretty good.

2270
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 2: You know wait, Danna said that to Fury.

2271
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said it like five times in a row,

2272
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 3: and Fury just ignored it and was like, you know,

2273
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 3: you know, like I'll see you guys in the parking

2274
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 3: lot like Happy Gilmore style.

2275
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so we have that one. We've also

2276
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 2: got the Fury ks I stared at. Let me see that.

2277
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 3: I'm all in there.

2278
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm going.

2279
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 4: I'm not coming.

2280
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:43,920
Speaker 2: I can't work for Tommy extra. Uh, Mikey, I'm gonna

2281
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 2: send you this picture here. I want you to put

2282
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 2: it up. When you get it, I am there. You

2283
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 2: go all right, I send it to you there.

2284
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 3: I'm shamelessly all back in on this. It's so stupid.

2285
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 3: But here's the deal. These fights actually don't suck like

2286
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if m ks I got this to

2287
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 3: be a six round fight when Fury wanted ten. This

2288
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:08,599
Speaker 3: fight is going to be exciting for as long as

2289
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 3: it lasts. And I'm not sure KSI is on this level.

2290
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 3: I know Jake Paul did drop Fury and ended up

2291
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:15,679
Speaker 3: losing a split decision, but you you'd have to believe

2292
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 3: Jake Paul at this point has has passed KSI's level.

2293
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 3: I thinks I could be over his head here against Fury.

2294
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 2: I don't have any idea where these guys are, to

2295
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I don't really know. I don't

2296
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 2: I don't have a clear sense of it of their level.

2297
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 2: I guess Fury is above Jake Paul and Jake Paul

2298
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 2: you would think is above KSI, but I don't do.

2299
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 2: I mean, how many rounds of boxing have I watched?

2300
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 2: If KSI zero, well, here's I've ever seen highlights or

2301
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 2: low lights depending on how you want to say it.

2302
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:48,759
Speaker 3: But I'm so my god, look look at.

2303
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 2: Dude, I just got to tell you that's BC. That's good,

2304
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:56,759
Speaker 2: that's good trolling, buddy. Would you eat the moose knuckle

2305
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 2: side of the cake?

2306
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 3: Is really no, luc it is not Tuesday in this household.

2307
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 3: I will not do that. What I will tell you is, uh,

2308
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 3: do we have a video of him taking the head

2309
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 3: off of the cake Loucan throwing it at Danni's Please?

2310
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't know do we have the this?

2311
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:17,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so here's let me say for the record, this

2312
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 3: is so stupid. But it's so stupid that they got

2313
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 3: me because Luke, and I'll say it again, I kind

2314
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 3: of want to see these stupid matchups. I want to

2315
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 3: see if Dannis just gets spread across, you know, stretched

2316
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 3: across the canvas. But Logan also hasn't boxed in like

2317
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 3: a long time, Luke, and he is WWE style jacked,

2318
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 3: which means they can't be doing any drug testing for this.

2319
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 3: I don't even know what that fight looks like if

2320
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:44,679
Speaker 3: Danis actually shows up, because if he doesn't, they got

2321
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,360
Speaker 3: Mike Perry and the bullpen, which is just like so

2322
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 3: brilliantly stupid, Luke.

2323
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 2: I mean, look at this dud, dude, Mike Perry. I've

2324
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 2: seen I've talked to Mike Perry in person. Not a

2325
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 2: small guy. Look at the size of Logan Paul, right.

2326
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 3: This was Mike Harry would knock him out, Luke, this

2327
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 3: would be interesting.

2328
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 2: Well, this is my point. It's like, okay, very smart

2329
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 2: of Logan Paul to get a replacement in the event

2330
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 2: that Dannis drops out, which, let's just be honest, the

2331
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 2: probability of him dropping out, at least relative to any

2332
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:20,560
Speaker 2: other opponent, is significantly high. Let's just be clear about that.

2333
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 2: That's fine, dude, going from boxing Dylan Danis to boxing

2334
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:29,240
Speaker 2: fucking Mike Perry. Mike Perry will knock him the fuck out,

2335
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 2: I mean, without any hesitation whatsoever, will walk right through

2336
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 2: his punches, no problem. Even though even though obviously Logan

2337
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 2: Paul's a big boy like I give him credit for that.

2338
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 2: That's a devastating fight if he has to take that one,

2339
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 2: devastating dude.

2340
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if there's some agreement already that Dannis was

2341
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 3: only a part of the promotion and they knew he's

2342
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,080
Speaker 3: gonna pull out. That's why they got Mike Perry ready

2343
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 3: for us, because that would be a fight upgrade in

2344
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 3: terms of like I've got to see what this car

2345
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 3: wreck looks like. My adding Mike Perry to this, Luke

2346
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:03,560
Speaker 3: is brilliant. So do we should watch? I thought I

2347
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 3: was out, Luke, Nate and Jake who you and I

2348
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 3: haven't talked about. Nate and Jake did pull me back

2349
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 3: in a little. I enjoyed that fight. It was there

2350
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:11,920
Speaker 3: was something there, Luke, there was something there.

2351
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 2: Okay, we should do I'm serious about this. We should

2352
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 2: do in the MK studio. If it still exists, I

2353
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 2: don't know, but if it does, we should do a

2354
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:24,840
Speaker 2: watch along for that. We should do a watch along

2355
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 2: for that because we can just get drunk and who cares?

2356
01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 2: Who gives a shit at that point? Right, So it.

2357
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 3: Does exist and we will be back there very soon, Luke.

2358
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,880
Speaker 3: But I'm down for that plan. If anyone listening has

2359
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 3: control of that, thank you.

2360
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that'd be super fun, super super fun.

2361
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 2: And also, like we're covering this thing that's ridiculous. What

2362
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 2: was it supposed to be? Guys, I've trained really hard,

2363
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:50,720
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, God has blessed my family

2364
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:52,720
Speaker 2: and I put Jesus first, Like it's not what any

2365
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 2: of this is about. This is all about. If you're

2366
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 2: gonna be in the gutter. Throw the moose knuckle of

2367
01:54:58,000 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 2: your opponent.

2368
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 3: It's got a vision, Luke. I mean, that's the greatest.

2369
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:10,920
Speaker 3: Put it back up. I don't think I've had more

2370
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 3: fun in combat sports than this moment. Right listen, here's.

2371
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 2: What I want to know. Where was the guy who

2372
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 2: made this cake? Being like I'm looking at the order

2373
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 2: of being like, Okay, I gotta do what now with

2374
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 2: his crutch? I gotta put a vagina like that's what

2375
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 2: I have to do.

2376
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:26,520
Speaker 3: It's so good.

2377
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 2: I give a little credit for that one. He thought

2378
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 2: about that one in the details. You know what I'm saying,

2379
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:34,240
Speaker 2: it's so stupid.

2380
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:37,680
Speaker 3: I love it. Look, yes, BC, we've been going for

2381
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 3: a while.

2382
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 2: Why don't we push the fun segment?

2383
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:40,560
Speaker 3: I had?

2384
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 2: It's already two hours in. Why don't we push it

2385
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 2: to Friday? How about that?

2386
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? I like that fun. Look that's great.

2387
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 2: We have a fun segment plan. I'm going to give

2388
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 2: you guys a gringos guide to traveling in Columbia and

2389
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 2: we'll have it ready for you guys on Friday. It'll

2390
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 2: be fun, I promise, well it'll be a good one.

2391
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 2: So because I had, you know what, BC. I realized

2392
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 2: I've been going to Columbia now for ten years, ten

2393
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 2: years going there.

2394
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 3: What's the term for somebody who's not quite an you know,

2395
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 3: an adopted native and not quite a gringo? You know

2396
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 3: what's that middle?

2397
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm a gringo, trust me, buddy. When I

2398
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 2: roll up in there, they don't use any other word

2399
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 2: but that that or you know, victim is the only

2400
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 2: word that.

2401
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 3: Congratulations there you fit selected for another killing. Yeah, that's great.

2402
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 2: No, it's not even that. It's like, dude, I can't

2403
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 2: even explain to you, like, if you go to a

2404
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 2: place where there's obviously a lot of tourism or whatever,

2405
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 2: the instant that the people who are trying to sell

2406
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 2: you shit, whether it's sunglasses, a hat, jewelry that they make, whatever,

2407
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 2: do the instant that they lay eyes on me, because

2408
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 2: obviously I'm like yao ming in Colombia. Like when I

2409
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 2: walk through yeah uh, they they take one look at

2410
01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 2: me and they come running with chariots of fire in

2411
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:53,640
Speaker 2: the background, ready to stuff shit in my face, being

2412
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:55,880
Speaker 2: like buy this, by this, by this, And then they

2413
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:57,560
Speaker 2: go to Tuki and you know, they get all the

2414
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:00,360
Speaker 2: bells and whistles and shit, and then she now she

2415
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 2: wants it. The minute they see me, brother, they're trying

2416
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 2: to sell me. Shit.

2417
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 3: If they start putting the jewelry on her, you've paid

2418
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 3: for it, Luke Oka.

2419
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 2: Oh all they always do, they do. They'll hand her

2420
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 2: toys and of course she'll take it like yeah, yeah,

2421
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 2: it's crazy. All right. Uh, we're done for the day. Then, hey, guys,

2422
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:19,080
Speaker 2: we're back. Fucking Hey, we got a show on Friday

2423
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 2: for you. It's gonna be a ton of fun.

2424
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 3: Do we owe the audience something, Luke?

2425
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:23,600
Speaker 2: I mean we did.

2426
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 3: We did have two and a half weeks of no unity,

2427
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:29,640
Speaker 3: of two and a half weeks of divorced dad for

2428
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 3: a weekend. Okay, we tried our best. I mean, look,

2429
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 3: we had some We had some very strong performances from

2430
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:36,040
Speaker 3: those in our extended MKA family.

2431
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:38,520
Speaker 2: I don't think we can do this again. I don't

2432
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 2: think we have to. We have to take vacation at

2433
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 2: the same time. I think is the answer, not because

2434
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:46,360
Speaker 2: any of the fellains did poorly, but because the fans

2435
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:50,440
Speaker 2: want the true MK experience, and I think we need

2436
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 2: to coordinate our vacations going forward.

2437
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 3: Wow, a lot of us have been saying that since

2438
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:56,840
Speaker 3: the beginning, Luke, I'm so happy you've come along and

2439
01:57:57,080 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 3: I understood that now. No, yeah, well but maybe give

2440
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 3: them a room service diaries one or something. When are

2441
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 3: we gonna be on the road again together?

2442
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, uh for sure? Canelo right?

2443
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:08,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but we might go to the studio before that.

2444
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll maybe we'll cook something up extra.

2445
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have something in the cooker for you. All right.

2446
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:15,680
Speaker 2: So let's remind everyone Showtime is the label that page

2447
01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:18,440
Speaker 2: Showtime dot com thirty day free trial. If you like it,

2448
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 2: you can keep it. If not, go fuck yourself. Morningcombat

2449
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 2: dot storm as BC. As BC indicated big announcement coming,

2450
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:30,080
Speaker 2: big announcement coming. Be on the lookout for that. Hey,

2451
01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 2: email us Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Morningcombat at gmail

2452
01:58:34,280 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 2: dot com is the place they can vote.

2453
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 3: To lu At World MMA Awards dot com.

2454
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:42,880
Speaker 2: They can for us, Yes, MMA Awards, Mikey if you

2455
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:46,480
Speaker 2: have the graphic plate. If not, it's okay one www

2456
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:50,160
Speaker 2: dot World MMA Awards dot com. Vote for Morning Combat.

2457
01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 2: Vote for Morning Combat. Please, it's important. I cannot overstate that.

2458
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 3: Please, what would you be willing to do publicly? If

2459
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 3: bronzet are upsets he breaks the streak.

2460
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:03,640
Speaker 2: Eat the moose knuckle cake.

2461
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we need to petition that. We need to

2462
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:10,000
Speaker 3: find out through our friends in the business what bakery

2463
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:12,640
Speaker 3: they made that from. We'll have him make but one

2464
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:14,879
Speaker 3: of you, Luke with a giant moose knuckle.

2465
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So no, no, no, it only works if well,

2466
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, if it works if it's you,

2467
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 2: but then it would be insulting to you. But that

2468
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't work. But I don't have to eat your moose knuckle,

2469
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 2: which really sounds kind of bad when I say it

2470
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 2: out loud, you.

2471
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:29,320
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, all right, that's all I got, Luke.

2472
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 2: I guess we'll just make one of shack. We'll just

2473
01:59:31,680 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 2: make one of shack with.

2474
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 3: Him, Yeah, Shaquille MAJORI yeah, yeah, shout out to that. Hey,

2475
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 3: did you see Jed Meshu appeared on this show too, Luke,

2476
01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:41,000
Speaker 3: how to Go? It went great? A lot of people

2477
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 3: like that guy. You know, he's a wild card, but

2478
01:59:43,160 --> 01:59:45,520
Speaker 3: but he's been a good addition to the extended family.

2479
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 2: He looks like a ketamine salesman, but.

2480
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's got a doctor in law,

2481
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:52,920
Speaker 3: and he looks like he worked at my seven to eleven.

2482
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:54,080
Speaker 3: But maybe that's why I like him.

2483
01:59:54,160 --> 01:59:57,959
Speaker 2: Luke better call Saoul. That's that's the old Jed Mashue experience.

2484
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:00,480
Speaker 2: All right. I think we're done for the day. Back

2485
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:03,400
Speaker 2: on Friday. We'll have a fun show for you guys Friday,

2486
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:05,480
Speaker 2: and make no mistake about it, plus some other stuff

2487
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 2: between now and then, so be on the lookout, including

2488
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:11,919
Speaker 2: at YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat for BC's JDS interview.

2489
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:14,200
Speaker 2: I've got another one coming from some different folks. Will

2490
02:00:14,200 --> 02:00:16,920
Speaker 2: be on the lookout as well. All right. That's BC IMLT.

2491
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:20,040
Speaker 2: Thanks to our in trepid producer Mikey for slugging through

2492
02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:21,440
Speaker 2: today and getting it done even though he's a little

2493
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:24,320
Speaker 2: bit under the weather. We're done. See you on Friday,

2494
02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:27,600
Speaker 2: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal.