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Speaker 1: time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with
Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, September twenty fifth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen,
Speaker 1: episode number forty four. Welcome to another edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: And this is going to be a delirious hour of
Speaker 1: Cowboys football because not only do we have a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about, but we are all delirious because we don't.
Speaker 1: We haven't slept much. How's everybody doing today? Hell, I
Speaker 1: am great. Derek want me to bring the energy. So
Speaker 1: I'm bringing the energy. Bring the energy. Got two and
Speaker 1: a half hours of sleep. I'm ready to go do
Speaker 1: some radio. Here we go, Nick, We're I mean, we're
Speaker 1: for the people here. I mean, think about it, for
Speaker 1: the people. I mean the look at the you know,
Speaker 1: not only do we got different groups that we represent here,
Speaker 1: but we're also I mean we got the we got
Speaker 1: the sport code, we got the polo, we got we
Speaker 1: got a hoodie at the top. We got yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we oh the relax relax. As I thought she
Speaker 1: said the Blacks. I was like, the people have one two.
Speaker 1: I don't know about the Blacks, but we got one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get into this. We got a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about. Cowboys win yesterday twenty eighth, seventeen,
Speaker 1: and um, it was I think a sorely needed wind
Speaker 1: coming out of what happened against Denver. Although it may
Speaker 1: have started off a little bit shaky and a little
Speaker 1: bit like, oh, here we go again, they righted and
Speaker 1: they righted. There we go again. They righted the ship
Speaker 1: and uh and actually got onto a role there. But
Speaker 1: I don't do is that there were so many different
Speaker 1: storylines coming out of yesterday. I want to take some
Speaker 1: time first to go around the table, and I want
Speaker 1: everybody to start by giving me one thing that stood
Speaker 1: out to you most from yesterday, whether that's pregame, whether
Speaker 1: that was in game, what stood out the most? You
Speaker 1: will start with you Nick, Well, I mean there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things. I don't want to steal anyone stuff,
Speaker 1: but you know, it is unfortunate. It's unfortunate that people
Speaker 1: just don't see what's what's really going on. You know,
Speaker 1: the fact that that what the Cowboys did, what they
Speaker 1: did before the game, UM, that that people are losing
Speaker 1: sight on that they see the kneel and they think
Speaker 1: that they were kneeling for the national anthem and that
Speaker 1: they didn't see what they really did. And if whether
Speaker 1: you're watching it at a sports bar or whatever and
Speaker 1: you didn't hear it, but it's it's your fault if
Speaker 1: you're gonna get on social media and attack people and
Speaker 1: say that you can't believe the Cowboys did this. To
Speaker 1: get your facts straight on what they did and why
Speaker 1: they did it before you speak that, and that that's
Speaker 1: unfortunate because they put a lot of thought thought that
Speaker 1: that actually UM took into their preparation. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: not forget forty eight hours four game. You're thinking about
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do pre game because it's that important,
Speaker 1: and they went out and delivered it. No, they didn't
Speaker 1: play well to start the game, but they put a
Speaker 1: lot of thought into it. Find out what they did
Speaker 1: and why they did it before they get judged for it.
Speaker 1: They were the best team in the league this weekend
Speaker 1: at what they did, and they have to because you're
Speaker 1: America's team, and they acted like it. Amber No. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely impressed by the way they handled this situation.
Speaker 1: And I know they have been struggling with what they
Speaker 1: were going to do about this fact and how they
Speaker 1: we're gonna go about it, and I'm just absolutely proud
Speaker 1: to see the outcome of this because not only did
Speaker 1: they go by respecting the flag and the national anthem
Speaker 1: and all that, but they also took a stand and
Speaker 1: stood side by side with those players that did want
Speaker 1: to protest, you know. So it was good to see
Speaker 1: them all united because I'm sure there were several there
Speaker 1: are players that may not want to do that, but
Speaker 1: they still did it. But at the same time respecting
Speaker 1: anthem and kind of keeping the two things separate and
Speaker 1: not letting the whole presidential and politics kind of talk
Speaker 1: bad about this flag and the honor that it is
Speaker 1: to be an American. So I loved what they did here, Dave,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just stuck with football. Then feel feel
Speaker 1: free to get let's change that. Then, since we kind
Speaker 1: of start on that, why don't you give your give
Speaker 1: us your opinion of the pregame, and then we'll get
Speaker 1: into some of the football stuff. UM leave it to
Speaker 1: leave it to Jerry Jones to come up with a
Speaker 1: way to kind of satisfy everybody and kind of think
Speaker 1: outside the box. Even with all the different um, even
Speaker 1: with all the different demonstrations you saw around the league
Speaker 1: on Sunday, he came up with something that clearly nobody
Speaker 1: else had thought of, where you were able to kind
Speaker 1: of speak your mind about the issue that started this
Speaker 1: whole thing while still um honoring the national anthem and
Speaker 1: the American which is something that Jerry Jones and Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett have both repeatedly expressed is something that they value
Speaker 1: a lot, something the Cowboys organization values a lot. So
Speaker 1: they were basically, I mean, they were kind of able
Speaker 1: to have their cake and eat it too because they
Speaker 1: made a really powerful statement. I mean, you saw a
Speaker 1: lot of NFL owners take part in these demonstrations over
Speaker 1: the weekend. You didn't see any of them kneel with
Speaker 1: their team in this moment of solidarity before kickoff. And
Speaker 1: then they were still able to, you know, adhere to
Speaker 1: their core values about the flag and the anthem and
Speaker 1: everything that it stands for. I thought, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to read the whole thing, but Jason Garrett had a
Speaker 1: pretty striking quote last night about how, you know, the
Speaker 1: flag represents two hundred and fifty years of struggle and
Speaker 1: the ideals of you know, the American democracy. You can
Speaker 1: go find on my Twitter timeline if you really want
Speaker 1: to read it. But but you know, they basically didn't
Speaker 1: have to compromise on any of that stuff while still
Speaker 1: making a statement, and it was impressive that they were
Speaker 1: able to come up with kind of a work around
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I thought, UM, I thought there were
Speaker 1: some pretty important things that happened as a part of that.
Speaker 1: I think one of them was that UM and Jerry
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this after the game. I think, UM,
Speaker 1: I think they were able to and I'm not quite
Speaker 1: certain yet. I think time will tell, but I think
Speaker 1: they were able to, UM kind of change the narrative
Speaker 1: a little bit. I was uncomfortable and at Dave, you
Speaker 1: and I had this conversation. I think both of us
Speaker 1: were a little bit uncomfortable with how it seems like
Speaker 1: over the last over the last several days, the narrative
Speaker 1: of what all the protests was originally about had changed,
Speaker 1: and the narrative had had taken more of a tone
Speaker 1: of either that that it was somehow a something that
Speaker 1: that was um that was harmful to the flag and
Speaker 1: represented something that was not respectful of the flag. It
Speaker 1: had taken on a whole Trump thing because it kind
Speaker 1: of got boosted up to another level because of his comments.
Speaker 1: I think that in this way, what it did was
Speaker 1: kind of disarmed those things and said, Okay, well, if
Speaker 1: the flag is the issue that so many people have,
Speaker 1: let's take that part out, like, let's remove that part
Speaker 1: from the discussion, and then let's let's now kind of
Speaker 1: point back to equality, and which the original issue was
Speaker 1: the fact that there were there were people that Colin
Speaker 1: kaeperni felt like, specifically there were African American people that
Speaker 1: he felt like, we're not being treated justly in a
Speaker 1: lot of different areas, and that was his original protest,
Speaker 1: and it got bastardized because of all these other things.
Speaker 1: And so I like the fact that the way the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did it kind of disarmed that and moved back
Speaker 1: away from that. Now did it do enough? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is it going to really create more of a conversation
Speaker 1: to where people are really talking more about these issues
Speaker 1: and willing to not just talk because we all do
Speaker 1: a good job of talking, but listen and hear what
Speaker 1: other people are saying so that we all can kind
Speaker 1: of learn from one another and improve the conversation, improve
Speaker 1: the dialogue so that we get better as a country.
Speaker 1: Like that's still to be seen, but I do like
Speaker 1: the fact that it changed the narrative back hopefully to
Speaker 1: kind of what it should have been. Do you think
Speaker 1: it did? I don't know. That's why I said, I
Speaker 1: think this is time will tell. I hope so, because
Speaker 1: I think it did disarm at least for the people
Speaker 1: that were not being able to see the issue because
Speaker 1: of the method. This takes the method out of the
Speaker 1: out of the out of the equation, and now let's
Speaker 1: see if they can really hear the issue and deal
Speaker 1: with the issue. To mister Eatman's point, though, their period
Speaker 1: to still be a lot of people that are pretty
Speaker 1: mad about it, just be for I mean, in my
Speaker 1: personal opinion, for no reason other than that they want
Speaker 1: to be mad. And that may also tell you that
Speaker 1: at least for some of those people, I think some
Speaker 1: of it is misinformation, But maybe for some of those people,
Speaker 1: it may tell you that they weren't as upset as
Speaker 1: they said about the method. Yeah, they were more upset
Speaker 1: with the idea that these multi millionaire black athletes are
Speaker 1: taking a stand for something that's not about them, it's
Speaker 1: about somebody else, and and they have a problem with
Speaker 1: that fundamentally. That's well, that's kind of where I sorry,
Speaker 1: but I worry about that aspect of it. Derek and
Speaker 1: I we've known each other for about I don't know,
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen years something like that, and uh, probably had
Speaker 1: one of the more deeper conversations we've ever had a
Speaker 1: few hours ago, and you expressed some some things, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you want to get into
Speaker 1: it here, but but you kind of gave your stance
Speaker 1: on some on some things um that I thought were
Speaker 1: really um they were deep, you know, and you were
Speaker 1: talking about what taking a stance will do because because
Speaker 1: what I talked about it in my column, and I
Speaker 1: was really careful with it because I'm like, I feel
Speaker 1: like my platform is to talk about the Cowboys. We
Speaker 1: covered the team. We're here, you know, my platform to
Speaker 1: talk about my opinion, you know, the guys that are listening,
Speaker 1: listening right now, their opinion matter just as much because
Speaker 1: this isn't about football, this is about what your stance is.
Speaker 1: So I'm all careful to kind of almost abuse my platform.
Speaker 1: And I kind of talked about are the players going
Speaker 1: down that road too a little bit? And if we
Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't mind sharing on some of
Speaker 1: the things that you said, because it really opened my
Speaker 1: eyes to the situation a little bit more, I guess
Speaker 1: the point of it for me, and I really kind
Speaker 1: of came to this as I was thinking about this
Speaker 1: over the weekend. I kind of came to this. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to call it an epiphany
Speaker 1: or not, but I live. For those that don't know me,
Speaker 1: I live a pretty comfortable life. I have a job
Speaker 1: as a pretty high and pretty high profile brand. I
Speaker 1: manage a lot of people. My wife's an attorney, kid
Speaker 1: goes to private school. Like, there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: about my life that suggests that I don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about a lot of things, right, And when I
Speaker 1: think about that in the context of these players, I
Speaker 1: know where near where those players are from a financial standpoint,
Speaker 1: or you know, whatever level of success they've reached. Versus
Speaker 1: the level of success that I've reached. But I live
Speaker 1: a comfortable life. And when you start thinking about it
Speaker 1: from that perspective, I look at I look at just
Speaker 1: a generation ago, and there were a ton of people
Speaker 1: who had money and privilege and wealth and success, people
Speaker 1: like Muhammad Ali, people like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, people like
Speaker 1: Bill Russell, people that, and that doesn't even get into
Speaker 1: some of the other people that we know, like doctor
Speaker 1: King and people like that. But people that were willing
Speaker 1: to do things that could affect them that they'd have
Speaker 1: to pay price for, but doing it for the greater good,
Speaker 1: not for themselves, not because they were going to get
Speaker 1: in because they already had success, they already had fame
Speaker 1: and wealth and the whole nine. They were doing it
Speaker 1: because they saw a lot of other people who needed
Speaker 1: someone with a platform to be able to speak on
Speaker 1: their behalf. And it would be hypocritical of me at
Speaker 1: this point where I am to now scoff at how
Speaker 1: these athletes are choosing to use that platform. And Nick,
Speaker 1: when you talked about the platform and using the platform,
Speaker 1: I think that but for that platform, and but for
Speaker 1: those guys like Muhammad Ali and those others being willing
Speaker 1: to use their platform to speak out, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in the position that I'm in. It's very hard to
Speaker 1: believe that I would be in a position, judging from
Speaker 1: where people like me were in the nineteen sixties and
Speaker 1: seventies in this country, that I'd be in a position
Speaker 1: where I'm managing, you know it, let's be blunt, while
Speaker 1: I'm managing people who are white like That would not
Speaker 1: be happening, right, And so it would be very very
Speaker 1: hypocritical of me now to say, hey, these guys have
Speaker 1: a platform, but they should not use that platform in
Speaker 1: order to speak on behalf of people who don't have
Speaker 1: that platform and don't have the ability to be able
Speaker 1: to speak for themselves to where people will listen and
Speaker 1: hear what they have to say. So I applaud people
Speaker 1: being willing to take a stand for what they believe in.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're gonna be there's gonna be a penalty that
Speaker 1: has to be paid for that. But just as those
Speaker 1: guys a generation ago and two generations ago have done,
Speaker 1: I applaud them for doing that. And I respect the
Speaker 1: fact that the cowboys were willing to find a way
Speaker 1: where in a room of fifty three men. They could
Speaker 1: find something that was a compromise that they all could
Speaker 1: agree on, that allowed some to protest in certain ways,
Speaker 1: and like do you said, dave others to hold true
Speaker 1: to whatever core values they had. It's, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, very well said. And I think that it's
Speaker 1: really hard for people to try to get into other
Speaker 1: people's shoes and to say what they're dealing with. And
Speaker 1: I've said this to you before, I've said this. You know,
Speaker 1: when I've been pulled over in my life, it's because
Speaker 1: I was speeding. That's why. That's why I got pulled over,
Speaker 1: or maybe I didn't have my signal on or seatbelt
Speaker 1: or whatever that you probably can't say the same thing.
Speaker 1: And there's something that's something I don't go through and
Speaker 1: I know that, and I try to the best I
Speaker 1: can to kind of give him my views, but not
Speaker 1: knowing what yours are in your stance and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I think if more people would do that and
Speaker 1: quit saying, well, you don't need to do that, you
Speaker 1: don't need to do do you don't really know, you don't
Speaker 1: really know what that's like. And so and I know
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't think you can empathy
Speaker 1: in perspective or like just I genuinely believe those are
Speaker 1: two of the most important things. And it's funny that
Speaker 1: Derek just said that and it was so eloquent. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about the same thing from the opposite side
Speaker 1: of the spectrum all weekend, which is that I can't
Speaker 1: really relate to that at all, you know, like I
Speaker 1: am the I am the poster boy for the term
Speaker 1: white privilege that you here thrown around so much. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean, middle class, white guy, nuclear family. I went
Speaker 1: to private school. I didn't have to worry. I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to college from the time
Speaker 1: I was old enough to know what college was, you know,
Speaker 1: that type of Yeah, I don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: what the cops are gonna do to me. I've never
Speaker 1: been afraid of a police officer in that sense, you know,
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But I can still empathy with
Speaker 1: people who come from that and look at that and say,
Speaker 1: you know, there are some realities in this world that
Speaker 1: that I can't comprehend. But I still understand that they
Speaker 1: are issues, and just because I can't relate to them
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not real things. Uh, it's not something
Speaker 1: you have to get angry about. Um. And and to
Speaker 1: your point, and an NFL locker room or any locker
Speaker 1: room is a great place to kind of see that.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that last night when I was
Speaker 1: talking all these guys. I mean, uh, you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're Ezekiel Eliot's your DeMarcus Lawrence is your Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: I mean, who comes from a rougher background than Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant Coming together with a guy like Sean Lee, who's
Speaker 1: a white dude from western Pennsylvania. You know, mister, all
Speaker 1: of me, you know, all high school basketball and h
Speaker 1: and Jason Witten and they come together and kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, decide on this solution that they can all
Speaker 1: agree on that that makes them all feel like they're
Speaker 1: they're part of something. They're they're being true to who
Speaker 1: they are and what they want to do. And they
Speaker 1: made it all work between sixty three dudes and or
Speaker 1: fifty three players and two dozen other you know, staffers
Speaker 1: and owners and everything else. And like I said, empathy
Speaker 1: being able to understand where other people are coming from,
Speaker 1: even if it's not your own story or your own struggle.
Speaker 1: I think you know, we'd all be a little better
Speaker 1: off if more people were. And let me just say
Speaker 1: this real quick. I don't know how much of an
Speaker 1: impact this will have. I don't know what change we
Speaker 1: will see coming from this, but I do believe that
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and if you want to call
Speaker 1: it ignorant, I mean a lot of people can't form.
Speaker 1: There aren't opinions, they can't form, they can't come together
Speaker 1: with having their own beliefs, and they go with what
Speaker 1: they see online or people they look up to. So
Speaker 1: I feel like there might be some people that are
Speaker 1: fans of the Cowboys and they see what they did,
Speaker 1: and maybe they change their views on things and now
Speaker 1: they go with, Okay, well the Cowboys are supporting this,
Speaker 1: let me support this. Or the guy I look up sorry,
Speaker 1: the guy I look up to could be Jason Witten
Speaker 1: or Sean Lee like you were talking about. Now they're
Speaker 1: gonna go that route. So I feel like you might
Speaker 1: have even if it's a little impact, it's still something
Speaker 1: And I'm glad they did what they did. You know,
Speaker 1: and I wrote this in my story last night. Then
Speaker 1: they they what they did more than anything was they
Speaker 1: they opened it up for everybody in their belief. If
Speaker 1: you really want to kneel down, you get to kneel.
Speaker 1: If you want to stand, you get to stand for
Speaker 1: the national anthem. And if you're so upset with what's
Speaker 1: going on, you're you're upset with the leadership of our country,
Speaker 1: but you still respect the flag in a country enough
Speaker 1: that you want to stand and do both. You got
Speaker 1: to do both. You got to do both. You got
Speaker 1: to do everything. Best Monday night game ever because it
Speaker 1: gave him another day to figure out what they've done.
Speaker 1: To think about that, thirty things happened, Thirty teams did
Speaker 1: it one way, and they say, Okay, you have to
Speaker 1: be number thirty one. You have to be thirty one.
Speaker 1: You have to do something different than everyone else. And
Speaker 1: they did it, and they did it better than anyone else.
Speaker 1: And the fact that people didn't appreciate it, I think
Speaker 1: they're just being shortsighted or stubborn or ignorant maybe. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that kind of goes to that
Speaker 1: is I think there is a there's a word that
Speaker 1: I think is inherently important to democracy that has somehow
Speaker 1: become a bad word. And at this point, people are
Speaker 1: now not being reelected because they do it, and it's
Speaker 1: called compromise. There is no way you're going to bring
Speaker 1: groups of people with different backgrounds and different opinions together
Speaker 1: to create one government and to be able to effectively
Speaker 1: govern a people and make laws and those kinds of
Speaker 1: things unless there is compromise. And somehow that's become a
Speaker 1: dirty word. If you compromise, you're now giving in. There's
Speaker 1: not enough people willing to sit and talk to people
Speaker 1: with different opinions and listen and then be willing to
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna give a little bit, You're gonna give
Speaker 1: a little bit, and we're gonna find a middle ground here.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like from what we heard in the
Speaker 1: locker room, those fifty three men were able to do that.
Speaker 1: They were able to sit and have discussions and at times,
Speaker 1: from the way Jason went and talked about it, at
Speaker 1: times it got heated. But the fact of the matter
Speaker 1: is they were willing to listen to one another and
Speaker 1: come to it an agreement on what they wanted to
Speaker 1: do as a group, which is compromise. And that's the
Speaker 1: part that's I think missing so much about you know,
Speaker 1: what's happening right now just in our in our society,
Speaker 1: in general and our fans that are listening that you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the game. But this was bigger
Speaker 1: than the game. It was it was last night. It
Speaker 1: was bigger than the game, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: we spent the whole first segment talking about still will
Speaker 1: be bigger. They will be, Yeah, absolutely, Hopefully going forward,
Speaker 1: more attention is paid to the overall issue that's here,
Speaker 1: and at some point we find some resolution and we
Speaker 1: kind of get better as a society. That's why I'm hoping,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take our first back. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I do want to jump into the game. There's so
Speaker 1: much to talk about here. Kat was going to win.
Speaker 1: That's a big, big deal coming off last week's lost.
Speaker 1: So let's do that when we come right. This is
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Speaker 1: in the second segment of The Break. Life in the
Speaker 1: s WBC Morgage Studios was talking Cowboys and now we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk Cowboys versus Cardinals. Cowboys gonna win twenty eighth
Speaker 1: seventeen on the road mightbe at first right there? Stick,
Speaker 1: Now we went a whole first segment of a show
Speaker 1: after a win stick to sports. Hey, no, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen too soon. I think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But you know, here's kind of where I want to
Speaker 1: start with this because I know it was the case
Speaker 1: for me. I assume it was the case for you. Guys.
Speaker 1: You get through the first two series of the game
Speaker 1: for both teams, and I'm thinking, here we go again.
Speaker 1: I thought, and I was actually thinking about what you
Speaker 1: talked about last weekday, where you were like, I'm more
Speaker 1: concerned that this is not just an isolated incident. And
Speaker 1: I started to think, is Dave right here, like is
Speaker 1: this team really not what we thought they were? And
Speaker 1: then things start to change, and by the end of
Speaker 1: the game, I'm back to Yes, that was an aberration
Speaker 1: what we saw in Denver. This is a better team
Speaker 1: than Hey, before you say anything over there about start,
Speaker 1: let me just tell you this was Ada was one
Speaker 1: hundred of his past his pass one one for one.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in the first ball didn't hit
Speaker 1: the ground in the first quarter, hot start for him.
Speaker 1: Thirteen h twelve out thirteen for Curson Palmer. But I
Speaker 1: was gonna start the show off of and I loved
Speaker 1: that segment we just did. But thinking purely about the
Speaker 1: football game game, my main takeaway was like, as atrociously
Speaker 1: as that game started, they came out and won that
Speaker 1: game by double digits, Like that's that's amazing when you
Speaker 1: really think about how up the creek they were twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes into that game. I mean the play I
Speaker 1: tweeted it out last night. The play disparity was like
Speaker 1: twenty eight to six at the end of the first quarter.
Speaker 1: It's like one hundred and fifty something yards to six.
Speaker 1: Like it was atrocious. I mean, and you know, if
Speaker 1: not for a missed field goal, there in another double
Speaker 1: digit hole early you might have to climb out of that.
Speaker 1: You're running game's not working. Who the hell knows what
Speaker 1: could happen? And then you come out there and outscore
Speaker 1: them basically from the first drive of the game, you
Speaker 1: outscore them twenty eight to what ten. Yeah, it's amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing the way they were able to turn that around.
Speaker 1: And I guess I shouldn't be surprised because they did
Speaker 1: that all last season, but with just with just the
Speaker 1: first two games to go on sample size, it certainly
Speaker 1: I did not have a lot of comf they were
Speaker 1: going to do it. Well, let's let's let's dive in
Speaker 1: a little deeper. I want to talk first about the
Speaker 1: defense the offense. At the interesting stat and I told
Speaker 1: you this in the press box, Nick, the offense scored
Speaker 1: on four touchdowns that they had in the game. Three
Speaker 1: of them came in situations where they got the ball
Speaker 1: either in Arizona territory or at the fifty yard line,
Speaker 1: which to me is definitely about what the defense was doing.
Speaker 1: It was definitely about what your punter was doing, who
Speaker 1: I still believe is having a phenomenal year. He has
Speaker 1: a couple of shanks here and there, but by and large,
Speaker 1: he's having a really, really great season and creating field
Speaker 1: position for this team in situations where they where they
Speaker 1: sorely needed. But you start looking at guys like DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: and you start looking at guys like Malik Collins and
Speaker 1: how they're playing. And the question for you guys is
Speaker 1: have the Cowboys finally, after many, many years of searching
Speaker 1: for it, finally found a pass rush that they really
Speaker 1: can hang their hat on. Go ahead, Sorry, well yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think that they're getting there. They're getting there,
Speaker 1: and Lawrence is healthier, he's leaner. Uh you know, he's
Speaker 1: had a lot of injuries too. I mean he's had
Speaker 1: he's had a little setbacks there, um and and I
Speaker 1: think having that pass rush up the middle is gonna
Speaker 1: is helping. Let's not forget they're one game away from
Speaker 1: getting it. Pretty pissed off David Irving back into this thing,
Speaker 1: So now you're really starting figuring out. You know, they've
Speaker 1: got some things to work with. But I'll say one
Speaker 1: thing real quick. Anytime a defensive tackle can get two sacks,
Speaker 1: two tackles for loss, two hits on the quarterback, five
Speaker 1: total tackles, and you're not even close to the best
Speaker 1: player on your team, on your defense, on your I
Speaker 1: mean on your defense, you kidding me? I mean DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence's line, go ahead, go ahead, Dave. Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: we just no, no, no, I'm just I you. You
Speaker 1: circled on a tweet DeMarcus Lawrence's stats. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: figured you might be going down this road. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna do two things right here. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna contradict myself because all the stats you
Speaker 1: just said, Arizona carried twenty one times for four nine
Speaker 1: yards two point three yards per carry. I didn't even
Speaker 1: realize this. Their long run of the night was six yards. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I want to see I say a
Speaker 1: rid or stat somewhere that was probably Sage probably saw
Speaker 1: it for me. Yeah, because they say that's awesome at
Speaker 1: my job, are awesome at your job. They had six
Speaker 1: sacks and ten tackles for loss. Arizona ran seventy five plays,
Speaker 1: twenty percent of them were stopped behind the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: so every fourth play they ran got tackled in the backfield.
Speaker 1: Between Shawn Lee to Marcus Lawrence, Malee Collins, Tyrone Crawford.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. That was Marcus Lawrence had six six He
Speaker 1: made six stops behind the line of scrimmage in the game,
Speaker 1: three sacks and three tackles for a loss, and then
Speaker 1: on top of that hit the quarterback six times. I mean,
Speaker 1: not only do you have your three sacks, he had
Speaker 1: another sack called back. Ye probably could have maybe get
Speaker 1: a half sack on this one with Crawford and it
Speaker 1: might still come in. He was it was called for holding.
Speaker 1: That wiped out a touchdown for the Cardinals because they
Speaker 1: were holding him. And if he wouldn't have been so
Speaker 1: beastly on another play pushing his guy this far, he
Speaker 1: would have got an interception, but he was so far
Speaker 1: up the field he didn't get to turn back. Having
Speaker 1: said ever seen, Having said all of this, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that's a murderers row of awful offensive lines that they've
Speaker 1: played to got it season. But let me ask you
Speaker 1: this question, and I know you can probably say is
Speaker 1: play the people No, I not across from And you
Speaker 1: can probably make a similar argument about the New York Giants. However,
Speaker 1: when you look at the body of work between these
Speaker 1: first three games, that's I guess he has been. He
Speaker 1: has been This is not just a guy to me.
Speaker 1: This is not just a guy where you can say
Speaker 1: sometimes guys have these amazing seasons because it's in a
Speaker 1: contract year. I don't care who you are. There have
Speaker 1: only been three counted three in the history of the
Speaker 1: NFL that have had this how to start getting sacks
Speaker 1: against the opposing team's quarterback. He's on pace to like
Speaker 1: nearly double the single season sack record. Obviously that he's
Speaker 1: gonna fall off. He's not gonna he can't do this
Speaker 1: sixteen games. I thought he would have fallen off after
Speaker 1: Week one and two. And you're absolutely right. Like I said,
Speaker 1: all you can do is play the opponent that you're given.
Speaker 1: But between the Giants, Broncos and Arizona missing two of
Speaker 1: its five starters, that's a hell of a way to
Speaker 1: kick start your season. These are not great units. Hopefully
Speaker 1: it gives you a ton of confidence and kind of
Speaker 1: gets you humming. You know, people, you know, once you
Speaker 1: get sacks, they come in bunches. That's what people love
Speaker 1: to say, Well, you got them right now, and you know,
Speaker 1: I honestly up until probably Washington, which is all the
Speaker 1: way at Halloween, the Rams and the Packers are probably
Speaker 1: better than the Cardinals, but like that, it ain't the
Speaker 1: Raiders and it ain't you know, the Cowboys. So yeah,
Speaker 1: like I want to see him do it against some
Speaker 1: better teams, but objectively against NFL competition, this is amazing.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. And the thing I like about what you've
Speaker 1: see from from Lawrence right now is and this is
Speaker 1: this used to be even a criticism of DeMarcus where
Speaker 1: he would get sacks in a game and people would
Speaker 1: be like, well, he didn't he wasn't getting any pressure
Speaker 1: instin when the game was on the line, when they
Speaker 1: needed the sack the most. It seems like you're in
Speaker 1: the third and fourth quarter, when it's like the other
Speaker 1: team is trying to get into games, that's when he
Speaker 1: seems to be at his best. That's when he's getting
Speaker 1: the most pressure. Right, you keep talking and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna pull up some numbers for me on that,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I haven't looked at the numbers.
Speaker 1: That's yes, the way I'm going by by Amber's Looksie test,
Speaker 1: Like that's the way it feels to me is that
Speaker 1: when the game is most in need of a sack,
Speaker 1: most in need of a defensive play. Seems like that's
Speaker 1: when DeMarcus Lawrence is showing up and making a play
Speaker 1: for them. It's very similar to what I think David
Speaker 1: Irwin was doing last year. It was like in those
Speaker 1: critical moments was when he showed up the most. I
Speaker 1: think that's what I'm seeing right now from DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Is that accurate statistically, Dave? It feels that way. All
Speaker 1: I know. All I know is I'm very excited right now.
Speaker 1: This was one of my main concerns since the moment
Speaker 1: I got here to the Dallas Cowboys and became a
Speaker 1: fan of the Dallas Cowboys. Had a big issue with
Speaker 1: their past rush, And as it stands right now, I'm
Speaker 1: very excited to where it's headed, especially because I believe
Speaker 1: something like that is very contagious to all those other
Speaker 1: guys around him and next to him, and I expect
Speaker 1: Tackled Charlton to step up his game and kind of
Speaker 1: pick that up, and all of those guys doing a
Speaker 1: great job there and again the secondary I'm still now
Speaker 1: feeling good about them, But like I said last week,
Speaker 1: I thought something that was gonna be big for them
Speaker 1: is for the defensive line to be able to kind
Speaker 1: of take off that pressure of those guys back there
Speaker 1: in the field, the secondary guys, and eventually, hopefully a
Speaker 1: few more weeks, those rookies are gonna be able to
Speaker 1: get more into the game and step up their game
Speaker 1: as well as the veterans like Byron Jones and Jeff Heath,
Speaker 1: who we are still waiting for something to happen there.
Speaker 1: But once they pick up their game, I think this
Speaker 1: defense can be pretty good. They sacked him on three
Speaker 1: of their final four possessions to close the care It
Speaker 1: is right there. Yeah, I'm gonna rebut that, and I'm
Speaker 1: not all right careful because then I was gonna go
Speaker 1: talk to Jeff Heath. Yeah. Um, the stats don't provoke me.
Speaker 1: I will go to the locker room. The stats are
Speaker 1: gonna tell you that the secondary wasn't great, and they
Speaker 1: they weren't great. They weren't they weren't Denver. But they
Speaker 1: gave up three hundred and twenty five passing yards on
Speaker 1: fifty attempts. UH finished, allowed seventeen points, denied the Cardinals
Speaker 1: scoring a touchdown on that last, you know, ultimately meaningless
Speaker 1: possession right before the final kneel down. All things considered
Speaker 1: and knowing what we know about the secondary, I e.
Speaker 1: Two of your starters aren't there. You're leaning on rookies
Speaker 1: like Xavier Woods and Jordan Lewis. Jeff heath Is starting
Speaker 1: third game at safety. I didn't think they were bad. No,
Speaker 1: they did good. But again I think it comes from
Speaker 1: how well the defensive line. But let me let me
Speaker 1: ask this that I agree with that isolate this for
Speaker 1: me because I do think as a group, I kind
Speaker 1: of agree with you. But I do think if you
Speaker 1: isolated to specific players and we go down the list. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously there were rookies that showed up, and probably this
Speaker 1: goes the Knick's argument of grading on the curve right,
Speaker 1: you probably saw some of those kie rookies play above
Speaker 1: what you thought they could. But I also heard a
Speaker 1: lot of grumbling in the press box about Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: So talk to me specifically about different guys in the
Speaker 1: secondary and how they perform. Yesterday. You know, Byron Jones
Speaker 1: I thought had a rough night for three and a
Speaker 1: half quarters. He did play better. He made a few
Speaker 1: plays there on the ball in the fourth quarter. You
Speaker 1: can do it a little bit more when you know
Speaker 1: that they're going to pass and the pass rush is
Speaker 1: getting there, and so I do think it was, like
Speaker 1: she said, a product of the pass rush. I I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that he's fully comfortable play in safety back there,
Speaker 1: playing that center field. I just don't think he's got
Speaker 1: a great grasp of it just yet. And and him
Speaker 1: and Heath are still kind of learning on the run,
Speaker 1: so theyre as I said yesterday on Twitter, man, there's
Speaker 1: nothing really safe about that position right now, because those
Speaker 1: are the guys you wanted to count on. Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: I'm not great in him as a rookie. I'm great
Speaker 1: in him as just number twenty seven out there and
Speaker 1: it guy's making plays. Yeah, kind of fearless too, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually I had a short chat with him in
Speaker 1: the locker room last night and I was like, look,
Speaker 1: because he's short and I'm short, Yeah, that's good. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. We amuse ourselves with such silly things
Speaker 1: that I know. I went up actual, well, I'll just
Speaker 1: go ahead and continue the puns, because I went up
Speaker 1: to him and I was like, look, man, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to sell you short. Like I know that you
Speaker 1: were a big time player at Michigan. I know you've
Speaker 1: done this a lot, but it's gotta be kind of
Speaker 1: weird to like look jog out there and look across
Speaker 1: the line and see Larry Fitzgerald right, And he was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it was so surreal. Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you're in the game and you're trying to
Speaker 1: focus as much as you can, but but that's Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: But what I mean, and you know, with all that
Speaker 1: stuff in mine knowing we talked all last week about
Speaker 1: how they're a big play offense and they're gonna try
Speaker 1: to hit deep balls. I thought he was awesome. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, I went back and watched some tape with
Speaker 1: Brian brought us this morning. Xavier Woods didn't play a
Speaker 1: perfect game, but I thought he was awesome too. Like,
Speaker 1: remember the guy's playing out a position. He's playing out
Speaker 1: a position. Yeah, he's They tackled well, they were all
Speaker 1: over the field. Jordan almost got Cavon Fraser an interception.
Speaker 1: I mean he was it was a quarter of an
Speaker 1: inch away. That was a huge play. Yeah, the tip
Speaker 1: ball um and he you know, I'll and yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: Byron a little bit, and the safeties weren't great, but
Speaker 1: I'll even I'll give them a little bit of credit
Speaker 1: just because you know. I talked to Orlando Scandric on
Speaker 1: the plane last night too, and he was He's saying
Speaker 1: he was in a great mood, which, hey, Dave, ride
Speaker 1: good about me. Makes sure you're right good about me? Um,
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, correct him. No I did not. You
Speaker 1: didn't correct it. I did not. Say. Well, well, Orlando,
Speaker 1: you know, for their third game playing together, I'm I'll
Speaker 1: allow it. It didn't wind up counting, which Scandrick took
Speaker 1: accountability for, which I thought was really funny. Jeff. He
Speaker 1: diagnosed that deep ball to I don't even remember which
Speaker 1: receiver was broke across the field, made the read and
Speaker 1: went up, like how often have we been lamenting for
Speaker 1: safeties to make those type of plays in this defense?
Speaker 1: He did it. He didn't catch it, played didn't count anyway,
Speaker 1: but he did it. He put himself in position. I
Speaker 1: just I saw a lot of positives from a unit
Speaker 1: comprised of rookies and first year starters. Yeah, I really,
Speaker 1: And like I said, the stats will tell you that
Speaker 1: the Cardinals through for three hundred and twenty five yards.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that's hollow when you consider it.
Speaker 1: They couldn't run the ball. They were trailing, you know,
Speaker 1: from halftime onward. And you know what, one of those
Speaker 1: plays was the catch of the year by Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: It was And at some point I think you got
Speaker 1: to tip your hat to a guy like Larry Fitzgerald too.
Speaker 1: He's more often than not he's going to get his yards,
Speaker 1: especially when he's playing in depleted secondary like this, all
Speaker 1: that stuff considered, I thought they were pretty good. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here. I'm not saying they're the legion
Speaker 1: of boom. But I'm not sitting here thinking they're terrible
Speaker 1: after this game either. And I will say this, if
Speaker 1: they're playing like this right now in week three, the
Speaker 1: hope exactly so if you're a Cowboys fan, is that
Speaker 1: and that's by week twelve thirteen that they really are
Speaker 1: working with something and you have to write, now, again,
Speaker 1: this is very very early, but you have to write now,
Speaker 1: feel really good about the prospect of where this can
Speaker 1: go a long term. These guys turn out to be players.
Speaker 1: You've now turned over your secondary in one season, and
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a lot to hope for. It's a
Speaker 1: lot to get there. But at least you have a
Speaker 1: little more hope today than maybe you had last week.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, it goes. I say this all
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. My thought of you know,
Speaker 1: fans think of players like maddened guys where it's just
Speaker 1: kind of it's mechanical and it's out there and there's
Speaker 1: no human element to it. That's not how it works.
Speaker 1: And Scandrick illustrated that for me perfectly last night. He
Speaker 1: was like, look, it's me and Jeff's third game where
Speaker 1: we're really playing together out there for fifty sixty snaps
Speaker 1: at a time, really second for Orlando since he had
Speaker 1: was out last week. That stuff comes in time. You
Speaker 1: learn how to you know, you know your teammates tendencies,
Speaker 1: you know that you can count on them, you know
Speaker 1: what they're going to do in this coverage, you know
Speaker 1: how this is gonna look. So I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot to build on here, and I would I feel
Speaker 1: confident it will improve as the season goes along, especially
Speaker 1: with these young guys. All right, let's take our final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll do another first year. We
Speaker 1: managed to get too, Yeah, I managed to get through
Speaker 1: two actual segments without mentioning the quarterback or the running
Speaker 1: back for that man. So we'll do that. When we
Speaker 1: come right back, we'll get to those guys. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: was more impressive than the offense. Can you make that
Speaker 1: claim about yesterday's game? Yes? Easy, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think they were more impressive. I really don't yesterday or
Speaker 1: a week one. You know what. I don't mean to
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Speaker 1: needed each other defense was struggling a little bit early
Speaker 1: to the defense had some issues when the offense picked
Speaker 1: it up. You know, one of them. You know, my
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Speaker 1: Niners score four minutes to go Candlestick Parks. The crowd's
Speaker 1: going crazy. They got Emmett Smith. They're up by four.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do. You're gonna give it to
Speaker 1: Emmett and you're gonna try to get you know, get
Speaker 1: a first down or two. No, we're throwing Alvin Harper
Speaker 1: on a slant seventy five yards for him though that
Speaker 1: wasn't meant for him. Whatever, seventy five yards down to
Speaker 1: the nine. They scored to put the game away. They say,
Speaker 1: take that six minutes to go. Crowd on this feat
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Speaker 1: car Well, the crowd's up there and they give it
Speaker 1: and they fake it to Zeke that goes slings it
Speaker 1: to Bryce. Yes, you know that's just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: take this, I'm gonna throw. I'm not evenna set my feet.
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Speaker 1: And I just thought that was an amazing answer in
Speaker 1: a play, and to say we're gonna move the ball
Speaker 1: and we're gonna strike here. And I thought the offense
Speaker 1: responded when it was time for them to respond. So
Speaker 1: maybe the defense was a little a little more impressive
Speaker 1: at times, but I thought the offense really carried him
Speaker 1: as well. I thought the offense was just gutty. We
Speaker 1: gave him a lot of credit for sticking with the
Speaker 1: run and just powering through against the Giants. This was
Speaker 1: even worse. I mean this, and I haven't graded the tape,
Speaker 1: but man, if this O line didn't look bad to
Speaker 1: start this thing out, I mean, Tyrn Smith got beat
Speaker 1: easily by Chandler Jones on a sack. Lyle Collins had
Speaker 1: his struggles, Chaz Green had his struggles. Travis Frederick looked
Speaker 1: like he got pancaked at least once in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: The only guy that I'm not one hundred percent sure
Speaker 1: did something wrong with Zach And even if I went
Speaker 1: back and watched, maybe he did it was bad. And
Speaker 1: they just stuck with it. They didn't you know, defense
Speaker 1: helped him stay in it. They didn't fall behind like
Speaker 1: they did last week, so they could keep doing it.
Speaker 1: And then sure enough, fourth quarter comes around, Zeke's getting
Speaker 1: you know, four five, five, six, four three four eight
Speaker 1: yard touchdown. Like that's that's the beauty of it. If
Speaker 1: you can do that, you just wear people down and
Speaker 1: they don't want it anymore by the fourth quarter. And
Speaker 1: Dak it's I mean, you know, the two throws to
Speaker 1: Bryce were stupid. I mean it's it's and I mean
Speaker 1: that in a good way, like it's it's so dumb.
Speaker 1: How much better Dak looks when he's running around with
Speaker 1: his head cut off and just kind of does that
Speaker 1: like not setting his feet and then I you know,
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler will drop a slant over the middle, but
Speaker 1: he goes up and gets that thing. Um. But they
Speaker 1: they were they were a compliment at best. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you complete thirteen yards and or thirteen passes in
Speaker 1: an NFL game, I mean that's insane when you think
Speaker 1: about how pass happy. This league is Whitten Beasley does
Speaker 1: combined four kitch just you know, didn't to win a
Speaker 1: game like that. And then we all we all like
Speaker 1: Bryce in different ways, different levels. You know, we're all
Speaker 1: fans of Bryce on the show. But I think that
Speaker 1: we talked, now, we were a little bit ruthless, and
Speaker 1: you you know, we talked about like he could be
Speaker 1: cut and why why not be you know, why why
Speaker 1: that's totally fair? And had some drops, had an ankle
Speaker 1: injury all week, come out and I mean the throws
Speaker 1: were okay, but the catches in the plays he made
Speaker 1: were even better. Proud of him for coming back and
Speaker 1: making that play, two plays like that. I thought that
Speaker 1: that was amazing. But this team is so much better.
Speaker 1: This offense is so much better when the quarterbacks legs
Speaker 1: are involved. Yes, that play where he runs in for
Speaker 1: the touchdown, that was the beginning of it. Actually was
Speaker 1: a play before that when they did a boot to
Speaker 1: bring him out to the outside. He threw on the run.
Speaker 1: Last year, if we remember that was when the offense
Speaker 1: was at its best. Is when they were moving him around,
Speaker 1: giving him opportunities to throw on the run, allowing him
Speaker 1: to run some balls as well, Like that's when this
Speaker 1: offense is so dynamic, because now you're not just worried
Speaker 1: about the guy in the backfield that's the running back
Speaker 1: that's going to get the ball. You also have to
Speaker 1: consider the fact that just because it's a running play
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's going to be the one doing it.
Speaker 1: And you have to count for the fact that just
Speaker 1: because the quarterback takes off running doesn't mean he's actually
Speaker 1: going to run the ball. It means he's just getting
Speaker 1: space and time so that he can actually throw a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff you got to deal with and ches.
Speaker 1: J J. Nelson. I didn't realize that. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: it had zero catches. He did have the near I
Speaker 1: mean he had the near circus catch. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. He's been the best offensive player before this
Speaker 1: game going into the kicks out of seven games going
Speaker 1: last year was a touchdown. Yeah, they didn't get a catch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not related to JJ Nelson. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: you asked me about this because I ranked oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I ranked as his touchdowns a couple of summers ago,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't have time to go back and
Speaker 1: redo the whole thing. But much like the I think
Speaker 1: if you asked me for my personal favorite des Brian touchdown,
Speaker 1: and people kind of look at me funny when I
Speaker 1: say this, but I always say the Jacksonville crossing Road.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, unbelievable. It's just bo But two showcases everything
Speaker 1: art two whatever. But on a on a it wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't a full field touchdown, but on
Speaker 1: a much smaller scale, this touchdown should be right up
Speaker 1: there with any of them because it showcases exactly what
Speaker 1: he's about. He got the ball, he wasn't in coverage
Speaker 1: on Peterson when he got it, but he juked the
Speaker 1: hell out of Patrick Peterson, got around one of the
Speaker 1: best cornerbacks in the league, and then just you stopped
Speaker 1: me and took him along for the ride. Just get
Speaker 1: off me, b to quote Nick, just like you're not
Speaker 1: you're not keeping me out of this. In wait a second,
Speaker 1: I thought this was Travis Frederick's first career touchdown. Why
Speaker 1: are we not getting Well that's said in the locker
Speaker 1: room after the day, he was like, yeah, I went
Speaker 1: back and watched it. I just finished watching it and
Speaker 1: I noticed I got a little help. So I had
Speaker 1: to go over there and tell him thank you, because
Speaker 1: it he was Frederick just came and just like blasted
Speaker 1: it into the get that last little yard or whatever
Speaker 1: it was. Hey, big beard um that has been dealing
Speaker 1: with a back injury for like last two or three years,
Speaker 1: So let's he's gonna slam your three and twenty pound weight.
Speaker 1: And I actually and Arkansas, My team actually won a
Speaker 1: game against TCU last year because of this. But I
Speaker 1: hate that rule. I don't think that should be fair
Speaker 1: at all. The plays pretty much stopped and now it
Speaker 1: just comes down to whose linemen are fatter than the others.
Speaker 1: You can just pass the guy forward, don't. Don't undersell
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush like that well either way, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: when the defense piles on, you get to the two,
Speaker 1: the defense piles on, it pushes you back to the six.
Speaker 1: You're back at the two, but you get stopped at
Speaker 1: the two and your offensive lineman just pushes you into
Speaker 1: the end zone. Like this doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't, but I don't know how you police it.
Speaker 1: Get him. I love it. It's just cher. It's fun
Speaker 1: to watch, and it wasn't. This game to me was
Speaker 1: not a good game. But no on but there were
Speaker 1: a lot of impressive plays. And I was laughing at
Speaker 1: myself just thinking about Jason Garrett. You know, they did
Speaker 1: what he says a lot. They went out there and crawl, scratched,
Speaker 1: bit pushed, you sound, just lunched all that stuff. They
Speaker 1: really did all that. Jason Garrett, he says something like that.
Speaker 1: He facing Garrett. Yeah no, but you would be no.
Speaker 1: It was. It was um really really good to see
Speaker 1: them compared to the other games, especially last week. Compared
Speaker 1: to last week, it was good to see them coming
Speaker 1: back in the second half and not just Dak, but
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of players, like a lot
Speaker 1: of them made plays that we didn't think we're gonna
Speaker 1: happen and impressed everyone. You know, I do those five
Speaker 1: plays not to forget about. I thought Terrence Williams catch
Speaker 1: in the first drive of the third quarter was really
Speaker 1: big because it was I think it was twenty two
Speaker 1: yard or and but what it did was got them
Speaker 1: from the twenty yard line out to midfield. Now they
Speaker 1: ended up having to punt, but when they Chris Jones
Speaker 1: did his work down to the five yard line that
Speaker 1: they ended up punting back to Switzer who did his
Speaker 1: you know, then then they started at the forty five.
Speaker 1: That catch at twenty two yards just flipped the field
Speaker 1: position and got them to be aggressive. And the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, when they got it back, they drove in
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. So that play was and it was
Speaker 1: a great catch. You had to kind of dive for it,
Speaker 1: and you know, wasn't wasn't the best throw. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's plays like that that that you know if
Speaker 1: when it's a field position game, you just need to
Speaker 1: get out to midfield a little bit, and he didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm really impressed with him, and I think when you
Speaker 1: have a real punt returner, a real punt returner. And
Speaker 1: I almost said this, there's a couple of times I
Speaker 1: wish I would have tweeted something and I would have
Speaker 1: made me look a little bit smarter, but but I said,
Speaker 1: I think I told you this afterwards. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: put Patrick Peterson at midfield. You can be scared of
Speaker 1: him and all that, but put him back at the
Speaker 1: ten yard line and let's see how comfortable he really is.
Speaker 1: Let's see how comfortable he is catching the ball. Because
Speaker 1: those guys are good when it's just an easy punp
Speaker 1: and you go they get outkicked the coverage, But does
Speaker 1: he really want to catch it down on the ten
Speaker 1: when the ball's kind of you know, it's a little
Speaker 1: it's a it's a left footed punt. He's not used
Speaker 1: to that, I'm sure, and all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: does he want to get it. He just stays away
Speaker 1: from it. It bounces down to the two. So that
Speaker 1: when you have a real punt turner like Switzer, that
Speaker 1: that's what he does. You see a big difference. Not
Speaker 1: afraid to catch it, not afraid to get hit, not
Speaker 1: afraid to go north all the time. He's gonna break
Speaker 1: one for a touchdown. In the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: That's guarantee will score a touchdown. And he's making some
Speaker 1: big plays. He's had another nice return. I think that
Speaker 1: is a huge difference in hidden yardage. Go up and
Speaker 1: catch it, get five or six yards, other than let
Speaker 1: it roll twenty yards this way in both of their wins.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can undersell the importance of special
Speaker 1: teams penning the opponent deep every chance you get. Chris
Speaker 1: Jones have four of his punts inside of twenty I
Speaker 1: don't know off the top of my head, but I
Speaker 1: guarantee you he had multiple punts down inside the twenty
Speaker 1: in the other two games as well. There's another guy
Speaker 1: we need to talk about two on special teams, and
Speaker 1: that's Frasier. Sorry, no, good, good Cavon Frasier, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's not if he's just gonna take more of a
Speaker 1: role like he is, and he's still playing special teams.
Speaker 1: But Frasier is now being that guy going down there
Speaker 1: not getting blocked, kind of being that missile just going
Speaker 1: down there hitting people. Maybe not the best choice of
Speaker 1: words right now, but but I think that that Frasier
Speaker 1: is actually playing really well on special team and playing
Speaker 1: defense too. But but you need that guy. You need
Speaker 1: that the guy that's fearless on running down on pumps
Speaker 1: and kickoffs. Let's take a phone call. We got a
Speaker 1: call from Reggie in Germany. Reggie, what up? Man? Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, Derek, what's up? Nick? What's up? Dave? Hey?
Speaker 1: Thanks for the calling, what's up? Hey? I got a
Speaker 1: mad crush on you. Amber story. Thank you, Lett. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to say, I wanted to get how proud
Speaker 1: I am of the team and how they handle that
Speaker 1: whole um free game situation. Um you know, one of
Speaker 1: the things that you didn't address is that that whole
Speaker 1: action actually gave everybody on the team the ability, no
Speaker 1: matter what their opinion was, to support their fellow teammates
Speaker 1: and what their opinion was, if they wanted to kneel,
Speaker 1: those they wanted to stand, to show their support for
Speaker 1: the ones that wanted to kneel, those that wanted to stand,
Speaker 1: those that wanted to kneel, to show their support for
Speaker 1: their teammates that wanted to stand. And I think that
Speaker 1: action was just great. Jerry was a genius and the
Speaker 1: team was great for coming up with that idea. And
Speaker 1: I just want to say kudos to Dallas Cowboys. All right. Thanks.
Speaker 1: One other thing I want to talk about, as far
Speaker 1: as football is um, I think that Chris Jones, it's
Speaker 1: like the unsung hero of this game. I think that
Speaker 1: he played a major role in keeping the Cardinals pinned
Speaker 1: down in their own field, their own end of the field,
Speaker 1: and they couldn't flip the field on us, and that
Speaker 1: was crucial. Okay, So I just want to let you
Speaker 1: guys know that. And but now you know, okay, I'm out,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, thanks, I'll I'll feed in he's
Speaker 1: calling from Germany, right, speaking German. That's I don't know
Speaker 1: if he I don't know if he actually was listening
Speaker 1: to the first part of the show. I don't know
Speaker 1: when you're on hold, if maybe he heard that because
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about some of those things that he
Speaker 1: Chris Jones and also the ability that what the play
Speaker 1: were able to do. But but um, that's okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's he's from Germany. I mean, yeah, I hope we
Speaker 1: went on hold that the whole time. Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I think it just came up. Also, give
Speaker 1: me a question from Twitter, um, some questions about more.
Speaker 1: How do you guys feel about him? Does he keep
Speaker 1: playing over Huh? I was about to say that no
Speaker 1: steps away from getting a sack of his own. Wait, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he hit Carson Palmer for a tackle for two yard
Speaker 1: game that nearly Yeah, I thought I thought he was. Okay,
Speaker 1: does he keep playing over Tapper? If? I mean, if
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna sit for Tapper, it should probably be Tracko.
Speaker 1: You know what, Actually, I want to save that conversation
Speaker 1: because I do think that's a bigger conversation than the
Speaker 1: time we have left just talking about Tapper and Taco
Speaker 1: and what they're doing there and and who's active and
Speaker 1: who's not an age I think that's a conversational. It's
Speaker 1: a little more time set up to change again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seven days exactly right, this is all. This is all.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this, and we we mentioned during
Speaker 1: training camp that these things tend to work themselves out,
Speaker 1: you know, injury here, injury there. Don't say it hasn't
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened. I'm not gonna would and I'm not
Speaker 1: certainly asking for that, but I am saying that you
Speaker 1: got a week to figure this out. You already got
Speaker 1: one decision you had to make. Now you got another
Speaker 1: week before you have to make a bigger decision, not
Speaker 1: only about a guy that not needs to be on
Speaker 1: the roster, but also what are you gonna do with
Speaker 1: game day inactives? Right? And you know, they they're a
Speaker 1: little bit short and linebacking linebacker numbers right now, especially
Speaker 1: on game day. And Hitchens is gonna come back here
Speaker 1: at some point, probably before the buy, but but maybe
Speaker 1: after the buy. But but they're not really It's not
Speaker 1: like there's a linebacker that's that's gonna just take his
Speaker 1: place and be off the field. I mean, maybe it's
Speaker 1: the rant, but I don't I don't know, And so
Speaker 1: he can make get a starting job. And that's at
Speaker 1: the at the risk of us saying that with a
Speaker 1: minute left in the show, say why, let's why are
Speaker 1: you trying to do this conversation? That's a good time
Speaker 1: problem to have. It is a good problem to have.
Speaker 1: You can't have too many good players. And you know
Speaker 1: how it goes. The longer you go in a season,
Speaker 1: the more injuries are just a part of the game.
Speaker 1: So it's good to have those. But I think that
Speaker 1: is a conversation that we're gonna need to have, and
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, we will have that conversation
Speaker 1: when we start. Hey, we got to talk about one
Speaker 1: guy real quick. I'll let Dave talk about him. One catch,
Speaker 1: thirteen yards Noah Brown. Hey, it was a big play
Speaker 1: in the game too that that helped him get a touch.
Speaker 1: I thought it was. Yeah, every time they line up,
Speaker 1: I think it's I thought it was Noah Brown trying
Speaker 1: to score from the one yard line. They're pushing it.
Speaker 1: I mean I hear, do I hear some converts coming
Speaker 1: aboard Noah's ark right, Well, there we're no converts. We
Speaker 1: all agreed that Noah Brown was a good player, right,
Speaker 1: I kind of the other day really like because I
Speaker 1: didn't know why they had to keep everybody active now
Speaker 1: with Bryce and Terrence hurt that I realized that, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do that at some point, They're
Speaker 1: gonna have to sit one of it. They can't do
Speaker 1: six receivers all the time. If everybody's completely helped. I
Speaker 1: would imagine, I mean, I would imagine if these if
Speaker 1: Terrence and Bryce keep getting better, he'll go back to
Speaker 1: sitting if I had, Yes, but not just he had
Speaker 1: a nice catch, don't get me wrong, but they clearly
Speaker 1: trust him in the blocking, trust him, and he looked
Speaker 1: like he did a decent job of it too. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pumped for the kid. All Right, We appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys joining us. We're back tomorrow. We'll be at
Speaker 1: our normal time to our nine thirty am Central till then.
Speaker 1: For Nicki Minamber Garcia, Dave Hellman, I'm Derrik Eagles, and
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