Speaker 1: This is it could happen here a podcast that I
Speaker 1: opened perfectly as a professional, as a man who makes
Speaker 1: all of his money from the podcasts uh no, notes,
Speaker 1: How is syphilis doing these days? You don't hear a
Speaker 1: lot from syphilis? Is it? Is it holding up? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's around. It's fine. Thank you for asking it. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that it's not the same thread it used
Speaker 1: to be. It comes back in waves every now and then.
Speaker 1: It has had a good run for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: kind of like Star Trek. Right, yeah, yeah, there's a well,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's like new versions of it. I
Speaker 1: think it's like the same, good old syphilis pretty much.
Speaker 1: I don't think it changes drastically, so it's like Star
Speaker 1: Trek on Netflix. Yeah yeah, okay, Well, good to hear
Speaker 1: from syphilis. This has been your syphilis update. That's gonna
Speaker 1: do it for us this week until next week. I've
Speaker 1: been Robert Evans, Dr Cavojota, and of course Garrison Davis
Speaker 1: all right, by everyone by It would be pretty funny
Speaker 1: to just do that, so fa, to just drop a
Speaker 1: one and a half minute episode on, but only if
Speaker 1: we put in fifteen ads. M. Yeah, we really like
Speaker 1: every word, we have a full ad break in between. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then then people would probably complain lest about the nine
Speaker 1: dads that are in our episodes. Right now, I can
Speaker 1: talk about what are we what are we doing right now?
Speaker 1: What is this episode about? What's going on? I'm assuming
Speaker 1: you guys want to talk about the coronavirus or I
Speaker 1: don't know. I can talk about whatever you want, but
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what you guys brought me on for.
Speaker 1: All right, what do we what is this coronavirus? Is
Speaker 1: this a problem? It's a little problem. It's not good
Speaker 1: to hear it's it's it's not great. So why didn't
Speaker 1: you give me a heads up on this? So? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's me not giving you heads up on the plaque,
Speaker 1: the figure talking about hear anything about this? All the masks,
Speaker 1: that's why you got those two jabs in your arms
Speaker 1: and that random parking lot. Oh I thought that was heroin. Sorry.
Speaker 1: First of all, can can we talk about the use
Speaker 1: of the word jab. I don't love it. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not James Bond, you don't. Let's not use jab.
Speaker 1: Prefer it's fair. I prefer what I think is the
Speaker 1: proper medical term. Vain fucked. Yeah, but it's not really
Speaker 1: your vein either, It's really just interra muscular fucked. Oh right,
Speaker 1: muscle fucked. Yeah. I mean, what what are the cool
Speaker 1: kids calling it? Is it a poke? What do we
Speaker 1: want to what do the teens call it? Is it?
Speaker 1: Are they calling it the TikTok's? Yeah, it's called it's
Speaker 1: called the TikTok. I don't know. I've I've been been
Speaker 1: working on I've been working on a all day Today've
Speaker 1: been working to find this proud boy who's pretending to
Speaker 1: take COVID vaccines but it's actually steroids. Um. He calls
Speaker 1: the critical support, he calls the extracurriculars. Okay, So that
Speaker 1: honestly rules, that's extremely funny. I'm hoping that article will
Speaker 1: be by the time this podcast airs. So, uh, who's
Speaker 1: the article for? I'm not sure yet. I'm talking with
Speaker 1: Opossum Press. Okay, cool, Well that's funny, Garrison. What is
Speaker 1: today's episode about? Well, we we want to talk to
Speaker 1: We wanted to talk to kVA about both what the
Speaker 1: current plague situation is because a lot of people seem
Speaker 1: to think it's over a lot of people seem to
Speaker 1: think it's not over um. And then also, how is
Speaker 1: COVID and all the stuff still affecting our hospital and
Speaker 1: medical system? Um? Is there supply shortages for medical supplies?
Speaker 1: What's going on in different areas? Yeah, because all of that,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, Yes is the answer. Yes,
Speaker 1: the answer. Yeah, it's a it's still a problem. I
Speaker 1: don't think. Uh, don't listen to anyone who tells you
Speaker 1: that it's not. Um, don't listen to anyone who gives
Speaker 1: you too Sonny of forecast on it. But it you know,
Speaker 1: it's different in different places. Is the along the short
Speaker 1: of it. In places where the vaccinations are higher and
Speaker 1: where there's mandates and there's reasonable laws about things, the
Speaker 1: rates are going downs California, but also like Rhode Island, Maine, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont.
Speaker 1: These are places with high vaccination rates. The rates of
Speaker 1: cases are going down in those places. Places like Mississippi,
Speaker 1: West Virginia, Idaho, Alabama. These are places where like it's
Speaker 1: for vaccination rates and the cases are going way up.
Speaker 1: You guys might have heard of a couple of things happening,
Speaker 1: Like there was that forty six year old guy named
Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkinson. He's like a vet who develops something called
Speaker 1: gallstone pancreatitis, which I could talk to you guys about
Speaker 1: for hours, but I won't. Don't worry, but I could.
Speaker 1: I'm just like you know, I could, I mean declared.
Speaker 1: It's not a total DNR, but like anyone who has
Speaker 1: um cardiac arrest is on a DNR now in Idaho
Speaker 1: because they just don't have the resources to be well,
Speaker 1: that's not entire I mean what am I Okay? So
Speaker 1: that's not your fault. You got wrong, because there are
Speaker 1: there were doctors that were sort of spreading that story
Speaker 1: about now they are and what's called the crisis standard
Speaker 1: of care. But and in part of that means that
Speaker 1: hospitals could go to putting everyone on DNR, which means
Speaker 1: do not resuscitate, which means if you have a cardiac arrest,
Speaker 1: they won't do anything about it. That's that's not what's
Speaker 1: actually happening. It could happen. What what when they institute
Speaker 1: this crisis standard of care. What it means is that
Speaker 1: if a hospital gets so short on their ventilators and
Speaker 1: they just don't have any more room, then they could
Speaker 1: implement that. I mean, I don't know I even heard
Speaker 1: of anyone I was. I was asking around to see
Speaker 1: if any doctors in Idaho could tell me of a
Speaker 1: hospital that's actually doing it. I haven't seen or heard
Speaker 1: of one that's actually doing it yet, but they could.
Speaker 1: The point is it's it's that bad. But that's a
Speaker 1: reasonable discussion where doctors have to discuss kind of like
Speaker 1: they were back in the day in New York, where
Speaker 1: they have to be like, okay, does this person do
Speaker 1: we put the you know, the young lady on the
Speaker 1: mental leader or the old guy? You know? Then we
Speaker 1: have to decide and they make those decisions. It's really awful.
Speaker 1: It's a position no doctor wants to be in. And
Speaker 1: now that's becoming a reality. It's brutal. It's brutal out there,
Speaker 1: and and that's bleeding into other states nearby, you know.
Speaker 1: So is that what you mean by the Welkerson situation
Speaker 1: because his doctor like couldn't find uh an ICU bed
Speaker 1: for him? Is that that is that the story you're
Speaker 1: talking about? That's the story. So he's this guy who
Speaker 1: had a problem that can be fixed. I mean it's
Speaker 1: a procedure called an e r CP that he can
Speaker 1: get done at specialty centers and he didn't live far
Speaker 1: from Houston. Houston has plenty of the specialty centers that
Speaker 1: can do it. They have great guests from urologists like myself,
Speaker 1: not as good, but you know, the same sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And they could do it if they if they, you know,
Speaker 1: if they had the availability to get him in. But
Speaker 1: they didn't, and so he died. Is something that he
Speaker 1: shouldn't love. It's basically the example. And I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: more examples of that. And what really worries me is
Speaker 1: the examples that you're not hearing yet, like cases they're
Speaker 1: delayed now, cancer screening, things that are being delayed now
Speaker 1: in these hospitals that we're gonna be paying down the road.
Speaker 1: That's that's the ship that really scares me. Just people
Speaker 1: not going in for things in general. Yeah, exactly. I
Speaker 1: have friends other than you who work in E. R
Speaker 1: s and stuff, nurses and the doctor um and bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's up in the pm W. But the ship they're
Speaker 1: saying is like in the days crap Like like I
Speaker 1: they are working on like building capacity and making sure
Speaker 1: they have things to like treat their friends because it's there,
Speaker 1: like the advice do not go to the hospital, like
Speaker 1: if if if at all possible, like because there's just
Speaker 1: not capacity for you unless it's like literally an immediate
Speaker 1: life and death thing. It's it's almost uh not worth
Speaker 1: like trying because there's just nothing, there's no slack the
Speaker 1: system is and it's it's it's starting to turn. It
Speaker 1: looks like here in in in the Portland area, but
Speaker 1: like it's it's frightening, like these are not people who
Speaker 1: would be bullshitting or or are are are prone to panic.
Speaker 1: You know, they're e er professionals, but um, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's fucked up, like it's it's it it's this thing
Speaker 1: where like the scary thing to me is not even
Speaker 1: necessarily where we are right now, because it does like
Speaker 1: there is some kind of broadly positive news in a
Speaker 1: lot of areas about like where the pandemic is going.
Speaker 1: It's just like this situation won't be fixed when case
Speaker 1: numbers go down. It's it's it's going to be permanent
Speaker 1: damage has been done to this system. And I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm wondering, first off, like from what you're seeing,
Speaker 1: like what what is the extent of the permanent damage
Speaker 1: done to our our emergency medical system in particular, and
Speaker 1: our our ability to even get care at the moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a really good question. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: It kind of goes back to I think what Garrison
Speaker 1: want to talk about, which is like the collapse of
Speaker 1: the medical system. I think we talk about it a
Speaker 1: lot in terms of we're on the edge of collapse,
Speaker 1: we're near collapse. I think there are places in this
Speaker 1: country where it already has collapsed. I think that's pretty evident.
Speaker 1: It's really it's not homogeneous in any way across this country.
Speaker 1: There are certainly places that are better than others, and
Speaker 1: there's certainly places that have a lot more uh leeway
Speaker 1: and flexibility, but everywhere is strained right now. And in
Speaker 1: regards to your question about permanent damage, I'll answer that
Speaker 1: in regards to just the personnel. You know, because um,
Speaker 1: because of the show that I have the House of Pod,
Speaker 1: all those twitter at the House of Pod, and I
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of doctors and nurses from all
Speaker 1: over the country, talk to them a lot, and it's bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, the stress that they're under, the pts D
Speaker 1: that they're that they're dealing with, the burnout, the level
Speaker 1: of burnout is just intense it's intense and and it's
Speaker 1: I think we were talking about moral injury and burnout
Speaker 1: before all this started, and now it is to a
Speaker 1: point where I don't know what's going to happen to
Speaker 1: the medical system, just in terms of the personnel when
Speaker 1: this is all over. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are getting out of medicine, getting out clinical medicine.
Speaker 1: I mean out of like I would I would say,
Speaker 1: out of just my immediate friend group. I can think
Speaker 1: of a couple off hand, excellent doctors, really great I
Speaker 1: c U e R doctors who are already planning their exit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and when I don't know, I mean in the next
Speaker 1: coming years, that's gonna be a major issue, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how we're going to address that. And our
Speaker 1: nurses in the i c u. S. Man, the stuff
Speaker 1: they have to put up with is is in and
Speaker 1: you just see it in their eyes. Eyes are broken,
Speaker 1: Like I was. I volunteered on the wards a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and people, they're the doctors and nurses
Speaker 1: taking care of these COVID patients day in day out,
Speaker 1: like they there's like a little bit of their soul
Speaker 1: that's been broken. Just see it in their eyes. Like
Speaker 1: I was there for like just a week, and it's terrifying.
Speaker 1: You're going into a room with a patient with COVID.
Speaker 1: It's scary, you know, even no matter how much ppe
Speaker 1: protective equipment you have on, like, you're always a little scared.
Speaker 1: And I just think years of that that way is
Speaker 1: on a person in a way I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I am worried about. I don't know how we're going
Speaker 1: to address that. M Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: frustrating because, like from the perspective of people listening, right,
Speaker 1: the thing you want to ask is like, well, how
Speaker 1: can I help? And it's like, well, you can't because
Speaker 1: you're already if you're listening to the show, I assume
Speaker 1: you're masking. I assume you've gotten vaccinated. If you don't
Speaker 1: have like a condition that that renders you unable to
Speaker 1: get the vaccine, you're you're I I think our listeners
Speaker 1: tend to be pretty responsible people. It's just not enough
Speaker 1: because the country decided to like Leroy Jenkins a plague
Speaker 1: and um Garrison, do you know that reference? Is that gence?
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with Leroy Jenkins. That's good. Were you born
Speaker 1: when Leroy Jenkins became a thing. I don't know. You
Speaker 1: would have been like three, would have been young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was Deadpool that brought him to your attention,
Speaker 1: isn't it. No, No, I it came to my attention
Speaker 1: just doing general internet nothing. Yeah. It was one of
Speaker 1: the first. It was the first meme that you could
Speaker 1: show your parents pretty much. I guess they were like Badger, Badger, mushroom,
Speaker 1: a couple of others in that category, but like, it
Speaker 1: was one of the first memes that wasn't a man's
Speaker 1: gaping asshole prolapsed. But I showed my parents that all
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know. Yeah, there was a beautiful
Speaker 1: full moment back in the day with some sea to stadium. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what brought you into medicine. This is when I
Speaker 1: saw work. They were so proud of me, like, look
Speaker 1: at look at our son, look at our boy, look
Speaker 1: at our boy. He can tell us exactly why that
Speaker 1: man's asshole looks that way. I have a weird job,
Speaker 1: I guess. One of my questions is, with the assumption
Speaker 1: that people are taking the actual plague related steps they
Speaker 1: can to reduce their burden to the medical system, what
Speaker 1: can people realistically do. I mean, I think part of
Speaker 1: that is and this is and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: have you to like explain how you can take care
Speaker 1: of your own medical treatments in an emergency on a podcast.
Speaker 1: That's not the time or the place. Although I do
Speaker 1: think it's probably a good idea for people to read
Speaker 1: up on first aid and basic life saving emergency like
Speaker 1: it's always a good idea to have some training there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, do you have other advice? You know,
Speaker 1: You're exactly right. The people that are listening to this
Speaker 1: podcast are totally on board already, and they're super supportive
Speaker 1: and we appreciate that. I mean, that is not unnoticed.
Speaker 1: I mean, um, you know, it's having people like uh
Speaker 1: outside the hospitals every now and then applauding doctors. I
Speaker 1: know it's cheesy, but it's great. I'll take that over
Speaker 1: the blue angels flying overhead any day, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's that's that stuff is really important, and masking and
Speaker 1: taking care of themselves is is great, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: The the real practical things that people can do, I
Speaker 1: think is help contribute to sites that will help get
Speaker 1: the rest of the world vaccinated. I mean, we can
Speaker 1: definitely talk about that, the question of boosters here versus
Speaker 1: you know, vaccines for the first time elsewhere. But there,
Speaker 1: that's the one thing I would recommend right now, if
Speaker 1: you want to help, um, let's put our money into
Speaker 1: places where we can get vaccines to other places. And
Speaker 1: I think that every little bit of that helps in
Speaker 1: the long run. And that's the sort of thing that
Speaker 1: we could use. Other than that, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: hope that people are still going into medicine and in nursing,
Speaker 1: you know. That's the only thing I can still hope
Speaker 1: is that people who haven't interest in it, you know,
Speaker 1: continue to do it. And and for those people who
Speaker 1: are just their training, those years of their formative years
Speaker 1: are during this time. I just want to let them know.
Speaker 1: I swear it gets better. It's not always gonna be
Speaker 1: like this. And if you make it through this, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be an amazing clinician, You're gonna be an amazing nurse,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be an amazing doctor. And I really want
Speaker 1: you guys to keep doing it. That's that's one thing
Speaker 1: I would say to Yeah, I mean, and I'll certainly
Speaker 1: add that if you're someone who's contemplating a medical career,
Speaker 1: please please. I mean just from a there's a couple
Speaker 1: of things on that, like just from a perspective of
Speaker 1: what the world needs, it's what the world needs. But also,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this stuff we're saying about the crumbles,
Speaker 1: about the possibility of the collapse, if you're someone who
Speaker 1: who foresees things getting potentially much more difficult in the future,
Speaker 1: not a lot of things more useful in a bad
Speaker 1: situation than somebody with medical training. I do count on
Speaker 1: that getting me through the apocalypse. I'm I'm soft, I
Speaker 1: am so so. I went camping and I couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I went camping. It was awful.
Speaker 1: There was so much dust. It was an awful experience.
Speaker 1: But I just thought, if the apocalypse comes, I will
Speaker 1: hopefully get placed in a very nice tent because I'm
Speaker 1: a doctor. So I'm counting on that to get me through.
Speaker 1: There are there are so many dumbass boogaloo type quote
Speaker 1: unquote preppers who focus on the guns and the gear
Speaker 1: and the dried food but thrown in the shirt throwing
Speaker 1: knives but don't even have a n IFFAC, an individual
Speaker 1: first aid kit or like a tourniquet, and like the
Speaker 1: talk to you talk to like like I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a little off topic, but like talk to combat
Speaker 1: marines about like their favorite person. It's always the corman.
Speaker 1: It's the guy who knows or the lady who knows
Speaker 1: how to like patch a bullet wound and whatnot. Like
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing more useful in any situation pretty much
Speaker 1: that that is dangerous than somebody who can do medicine.
Speaker 1: So please, if you're if you're studying to do medicine,
Speaker 1: if you're contemplating becoming an e MT or a paramedic
Speaker 1: or a nurse or whatever, good God, we need you
Speaker 1: so badly. Yeah, we've talked to a little bit about
Speaker 1: just in the medical system in general, and then we
Speaker 1: can also kind of discuss more stuff related to how
Speaker 1: COVID is impacting certain areas more than others. And like
Speaker 1: let's say someone who's someone who's listening, who's in one
Speaker 1: of these areas that it has only vaccinated, you know,
Speaker 1: not a lot of people are going on with masks on,
Speaker 1: and you know, school starting back up, maybe they have
Speaker 1: kids are going to their school system. I know in Texas,
Speaker 1: you know, child deaths arising. That sounds very frightening to
Speaker 1: be that kind of person who, like, you know, would
Speaker 1: like like to see that stuff happened in their state,
Speaker 1: but it's just not really possible. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: with so much of the rest of the world kind
Speaker 1: of slowly taking back restrictions, and I'm sure it feels
Speaker 1: very jarring to be in a situation like that and
Speaker 1: kind of like there's really nothing you can do right
Speaker 1: besides you right, because you can talk to your family,
Speaker 1: talk to your friends, but like overall, it's hard to
Speaker 1: hard to make you know, a big impact in a state,
Speaker 1: you know, like Texas, Alabama, like Idaho, all the ones
Speaker 1: that you that you were mentioning before from a medical
Speaker 1: kind of perspective, is there is there any way people
Speaker 1: can kind of start to talk about those things with
Speaker 1: their family And because the way we've been trying to
Speaker 1: get people take the vaccine, with the marketing we've been doing,
Speaker 1: has not been super successful in these demographics. Um, do
Speaker 1: you think there's other conversations that can get people to
Speaker 1: slowly kind of be more be more able to you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: contemplate that. Yeah, that's a that's a tough question. It's
Speaker 1: particularly tough if you're someone who is believes in the
Speaker 1: importance of vaccines and you're or the importance of masks
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, and you're in a place
Speaker 1: where you're a minority. That is tough. The first thing
Speaker 1: I'll say is definitely know that the vaccine helps. You're
Speaker 1: in a much better position because of the vaccine. When
Speaker 1: I was on the wards and I was looking at
Speaker 1: patients the they're almost all unvaccinated. Those are the people
Speaker 1: that end up in the hospital. You can't still get
Speaker 1: into the hospitalized if you have the vaccine, but it's
Speaker 1: it's much less likely. And you know, not that these
Speaker 1: people don't count, they count just as much. But if
Speaker 1: you don't have an underlying problem like a liver transplant
Speaker 1: or some immune suppression, then you're less likely to have
Speaker 1: a really bad outcome with COVID if you're vaccinated. So
Speaker 1: just know that it helps. You still might get it,
Speaker 1: it'll suck, um, but for the most part, you're gonna
Speaker 1: stay out of the hospital. And that really, I think
Speaker 1: is something have a little comfort in. It really does
Speaker 1: seem to work. You know. Outside of that, the schools
Speaker 1: thing is a real concern for me. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: feel a lot better than We're going to be in
Speaker 1: a much better position once we are able to get
Speaker 1: kids vaccinated. So there's there's two things. You guys probably
Speaker 1: heard that there was, um this this committee that met
Speaker 1: to advise the FDA about booster shots. That's one thing.
Speaker 1: So booster shots are gonna go out to people who
Speaker 1: need them UH sixty five and older people at high
Speaker 1: risk people in high risk occupations. They're gonna like frontline workers.
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be booster shots coming out. And then
Speaker 1: the data is coming out now about five till Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's pretty promising. Um, it looks like they're gonna
Speaker 1: do okay with lower doses, so they use about one
Speaker 1: third the dose of the vaccine that the adults get
Speaker 1: and it seems to work. We haven't seen much other
Speaker 1: than the pre press release from UH Fighter, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you really pick at it, it looks promising. So
Speaker 1: I am that's something that makes me hopeful. That's something
Speaker 1: I'm definitely clinging to. I think there's no way we're
Speaker 1: getting out of this without vaccinating kids. That just has
Speaker 1: to happen. Um, I think once that starts rolling out
Speaker 1: and hopefully it will soon. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to put a date on it, but I'm hoping within
Speaker 1: the next couple of months this starts happening. So, you know, once,
Speaker 1: once that starts happening, I'm gonna feel a lot more comfortable.
Speaker 1: I think people in those situations are gonna feel a
Speaker 1: lot more comfortable too. Yeah. Yeah, the booster thing is
Speaker 1: an interesting question to me. I mean their ethical standpoint, particularly,
Speaker 1: you know, I I think I think it's not a
Speaker 1: fair narrative to say it has to be one or
Speaker 1: the other, and I think people are saying that. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I think we can do it. I think
Speaker 1: we can produce enough vaccine here for people who haven't
Speaker 1: got it yet, and enough for the boosters and start
Speaker 1: supplying more to the world. I mean, we can do more.
Speaker 1: Our government sharing Fiser Maderna definitely need to do more
Speaker 1: in that regards. They definitely need to do more in
Speaker 1: terms of production. They haven't hit their goals in a
Speaker 1: lot of these places. And but it's also not like
Speaker 1: they haven't done anything yet. They give about like a
Speaker 1: you know, two million doses are being donated just this week.
Speaker 1: I think, so they are doing things that's happening. It's
Speaker 1: just we need more of it. Everything needs we need
Speaker 1: more of it. We need to ramp up production. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird because, like you're right, we could produce enough
Speaker 1: vaccines for the places that don't have them and enough
Speaker 1: vaccines for boosters over here, and all of that would
Speaker 1: take is a couple of months of our Afghanistan Mad money.
Speaker 1: But we're not going to do that, and so it
Speaker 1: probably will, like I don't know, contribute to an issue effect.
Speaker 1: There's there's a chance that it will contribute to an
Speaker 1: issue of vaccine unavailability. But also it's not like if
Speaker 1: we don't get the sisters, those vaccines will be available
Speaker 1: because we're just not giving them out. Yeah, in the
Speaker 1: extent that we need. So yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. I'll get the booster if they
Speaker 1: decide to give out boosters because I like not having
Speaker 1: not the plague damage, getting or getting long COVID. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that seems great, And a lot of the vaccine
Speaker 1: has been seen kind of relies. It tracks back to
Speaker 1: how we've been marketing in it, and I've I've been
Speaker 1: on the team that's like we should stop using Fauci,
Speaker 1: because every time Fauci goes on TV to talk about vaccines,
Speaker 1: more people are going to do like a backfire infact,
Speaker 1: to be like, no, I'm not gonna get that. Don't
Speaker 1: trust Fauci. So there's a particular like marketing thing that
Speaker 1: I think we've failed on. Like America is very good
Speaker 1: at marketing when we can make money, but when it's
Speaker 1: not related to getting gaining more off it. I think
Speaker 1: the government is very bad at marketing these types of things. Um.
Speaker 1: And on the kind of the marketing side of things,
Speaker 1: I don't know this is this is kind of old
Speaker 1: news at this point. But the whole smoll in testicals
Speaker 1: thing um, which we have you have not talked about
Speaker 1: on this show about but I'm sure you have thoughts
Speaker 1: about how this thing has kind of balloons, which is
Speaker 1: that can be like so, how how the marketing and
Speaker 1: misinformation relates to this cold kind kind of current problem. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: First of all, that particular story, I mean that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I mean, like this, I've never I've never seen someone's
Speaker 1: excuse for venereal disease becomes such an international issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: contribute to the test probably of hundreds of people, Um,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's the marketing thing. Is a really
Speaker 1: great question, and and it's been driving me crazy because
Speaker 1: like part of me at this point just wants to
Speaker 1: be like, get the fucking vacs. What the fund's wrong
Speaker 1: with you? Get the vaccine part of my language and like, um,
Speaker 1: but then the part of me knows that that doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Like I do believe doctors should be able to express
Speaker 1: their frustration. Um, they need to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: If we can't do that right now, I mean it's
Speaker 1: game over. They need to at least have that ability
Speaker 1: where doctors can voice their frustration with antivactors but still
Speaker 1: give them the same high level of care that we're
Speaker 1: always going to give them the matter what when they
Speaker 1: show up in the hospital. But if not working to
Speaker 1: do that, we need other approaches. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: entirely know what they are. There are some people they're
Speaker 1: they're so far out there that we're just never going
Speaker 1: to reach the people, the microchip people. There's like a
Speaker 1: level of deep programming that will need to happen to
Speaker 1: those people that we just it's it's too exhausting to
Speaker 1: do that. You really have to, like, if you can't
Speaker 1: scale that in any meaningful way for the country. I think,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I don't know. I think calling it
Speaker 1: the Trump vaccine was the closest we got to have
Speaker 1: psibility and that fucking I'm interested in your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the fucking bright part article and if you're not aware,
Speaker 1: if you're less online than us, and God bless you
Speaker 1: if you are right bart the which is I don't know.
Speaker 1: CNN for Fascists came up with an article blaming the
Speaker 1: Democrats for the fact that Republicans don't want to take
Speaker 1: the vaccine and saying it's a secret liberal plot to
Speaker 1: exterminate conservatives because conservatives refused to take vaccines because they're
Speaker 1: fundamentally oppositional, defiant um and like it's it's the fault
Speaker 1: of people who are telling them to take the vaccine
Speaker 1: that they're not taking the vaccine because obviously, why would
Speaker 1: you trust the liberal on anything, But also they're trying
Speaker 1: to kill us and we're gonna lose the election because
Speaker 1: we're all dying because we refuse to get vaccinated for
Speaker 1: a preventable disease. Anyway, how do you feel about that, guy?
Speaker 1: I don't I don't love it. I don't love it. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm vaguely familiar with bright Bart. I don't know that
Speaker 1: exact article because I have enough pain in my life already.
Speaker 1: But um, but you know, I do wonder it's like
Speaker 1: when they put out articles like this or would Tucker
Speaker 1: calls him, goes out and he does his thing questioning vaccine,
Speaker 1: just asking questions about vaccines that lead to vaccine hesitancy,
Speaker 1: Like what calculations are they doing? Are they doing calcular?
Speaker 1: Is this just him being callous in not giving a
Speaker 1: fun and just doing it, or is there some calculation
Speaker 1: that him and some sort of right wing fink tank
Speaker 1: are doing where they're like, hey, look this sells to
Speaker 1: our audience. They love it, Let's keep doing it. Yes,
Speaker 1: we are going to lose ex portion of our audience
Speaker 1: because of this, but we still have plenty of audience left. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't I wonder how that's happening. Like it is hurting.
Speaker 1: It is true, it is hurting them more than than
Speaker 1: other people. It's hurting everyone. Everyone's getting affected by this. Um.
Speaker 1: But there it's those states that are being affected, the
Speaker 1: people not getting vaccinated who are listening to people like
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson. So I don't. I don't understand what their
Speaker 1: endgame is here, like this is their market, why why
Speaker 1: not protected? And that I do not have a good
Speaker 1: answer for. I was hoping one of you guys would. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's there's a lot going on there. I
Speaker 1: think a decent chunk of it is the assumption that
Speaker 1: whatever they lose in terms of dead followers won't be
Speaker 1: worth more than continuing the cash bonanza that is owning
Speaker 1: the lips, right, because that's all they that's all that's
Speaker 1: the entirety of the right wing media. It's just owning
Speaker 1: the lips. It's just oppositional, defiant, it's just hating anything
Speaker 1: democrats do. So you you kind of can't. You're a
Speaker 1: cuck if you tell people to receive basic medical care
Speaker 1: if democrats are taking that basic medical care right, Um,
Speaker 1: so it's a pride thing for a lot of them.
Speaker 1: To two things I love is when you when you
Speaker 1: use the word cuck or when you do Ben Shapiro's voice,
Speaker 1: Like those are like two of my favorite things that
Speaker 1: you do. It's you're saying really well, far beyond anything
Speaker 1: rational on the right. Um, and it's it's difficult to
Speaker 1: like I I think the calculation is just like I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these guys is the same thing
Speaker 1: with climate change. Like they're smart enough to know that
Speaker 1: they're contributing to an uninhabitable world, but they want to
Speaker 1: cash in first. They want to get as much as
Speaker 1: they can out before it falls apart. And I think
Speaker 1: that's all any of these people care about, because I
Speaker 1: think there are the true believers. The radio guys are
Speaker 1: true believers, right, the radio guys who keep dying because
Speaker 1: they don't be vaccinated. Those guys did believe that it
Speaker 1: was some sort of weird conspiracy, it was the communist whatever,
Speaker 1: um clearly because they did management level, mid management level.
Speaker 1: They don't know all the stuff that they're being told
Speaker 1: from above, and they kind of believe it enough to
Speaker 1: where they kill themselves for the company. I think for Tucker,
Speaker 1: it's more a matter of like, hey, I keep making
Speaker 1: money and I maintain my power if I if I
Speaker 1: continue to hold this line, you you lose power, you
Speaker 1: get weaker. It's like when Trump got booed for people
Speaker 1: to take the vaccine. You know, yeah, yeah, um yeah crazy.
Speaker 1: You can't go back with this ship. You just can't,
Speaker 1: and you certainly can't admit to ever having been wrong. Right, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's good ship. What a what a fun note to
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