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Speaker 2: So Michael Berry's show is on the air. It's Charlie

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Speaker 2: from BlackBerry Smother. I can feel a good one coming on.

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Speaker 2: It's the Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 1: He's got to know that Hunchotel is one of my

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Speaker 1: And you know about Operation Red Wing, and you probably

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Speaker 1: a tour or three in Afghanistan. That country and our

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Speaker 1: And before you tell me that that's not an apt comparison,

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Speaker 1: we were actually in Afghanistan longer as you know. I'm

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Speaker 1: the spokesman for an organization called Camp Hope PTSD Foundation

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Speaker 1: of America. We lose over twenty veterans a day to suicide.

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Speaker 1: And we just had a guy graduate this morning who

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Speaker 1: never healed or is a horrible thing. I haven't been there,

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Speaker 1: but I've talked to enough folks to understand it. It's

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Speaker 2: I do support the troops.

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Speaker 1: I support them so much that I don't want their

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Speaker 1: be very judicious about when we ask him to do so.

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Speaker 1: And we did that in Iraq, and we did that

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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. We've sent people in and I think in

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Speaker 1: And I can assure you by the manner in which

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Speaker 1: If Donald Trump had done that, I would criticize him

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Speaker 1: just the same. If you know anybody who went and

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Speaker 1: Three tours, four tours, five tours. Somebody goes and you know,

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Speaker 1: we were doing that. We were sending guys again and

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Speaker 1: You're pulling people from the bench. You're sending guys back

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Speaker 1: when you shouldn't. Chad robus Show did eight deployments to

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Speaker 1: called Saving Azis How the mission to help one became

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Speaker 1: former Force recon Marine. I don't like the term former.

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Speaker 1: He's a Force recon Marine and a DoD contractor and

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Speaker 2: Chad.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with how you decided to become a United

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Speaker 3: Well, my family has eighty four years of service. We

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Speaker 3: In Vietnam, I served as a marine, and both my

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Speaker 3: If you know where Raceland is, Homa Thibodeau.

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Speaker 1: What is to be done with the Afghanis who helped

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Speaker 1: what is to be done with them?

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Speaker 2: That's what we're discussing coming up from Michael very Jot.

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Speaker 1: What obligation, if any, do we owe to the afghan

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Speaker 3: Not only was it a botched withdrawal, but the withdrawal

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Speaker 2: I will die for this country. I will die for

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Speaker 1: To Michael Berry, Joe, he's a big honor to be

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Speaker 5: We have the ecademy crisis, we have the and this

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Speaker 5: What happened, not only the thirteen soldiers, but the twenty

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Speaker 3: were there. We got disease and got his family. We

436
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Speaker 3: kept getting people out and when the navigate blew up

437
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Speaker 3: and thirteen of our service members were killed. Because the

438
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Speaker 3: White House gave the neal operation and knock combat evacuation

439
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Speaker 3: operation to the State Department. I did DoD and really

440
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Speaker 3: watched the process. At that point, when the service members

441
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Speaker 3: were killed, the military had the world the gate shut.

442
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Speaker 3: They shut down any access in and outside the airport,

443
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Speaker 3: and the military packed up and left Afghanistan, and they

444
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Speaker 3: were forced to leave. They didn't want to leave because

445
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Speaker 3: there were still Americans there, interpreters there, our equipment was

446
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 3: still there. They didn't want to leave, but they had to.

447
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 3: But we as civilians didn't have to, and we chose

448
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Speaker 3: to stay. And we chose for a couple of reasons.

449
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Speaker 3: One is because, and I think one of the most

450
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Speaker 3: was because the White House was staying. There was one

451
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Speaker 3: hundred Americans there, and we knew without debate, there were

452
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Speaker 3: thousands of Americans still there. I'd go really into the

453
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Speaker 3: numbers in the book, but the truth is it didn't

454
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Speaker 3: matter if there was one hundred Americans or one thousand.

455
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 3: You don't leave one American behind in an environment like that.

456
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Speaker 3: In fact, every citizen in the United States should feel

457
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Speaker 3: a promise from the United States government that if you're

458
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Speaker 3: in at harm's way, like that we will get you out.

459
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Speaker 3: The President even made that promise, then, I mean we

460
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Speaker 3: didn't and where I come from in my community, like

461
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 3: we were literally scorched earth around the person, even though

462
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Speaker 3: we know we're going to lose guys to go rescue

463
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Speaker 3: the American The White House made a decision to leave.

464
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Speaker 3: And the reason they made that decision to leave is

465
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Speaker 3: because the word botch is probably a good word. Again,

466
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Speaker 3: I'm a fan of the withdraw at all, but the

467
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Speaker 3: word botched is because the White House gave the NEO

468
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Speaker 3: operation and n combat evacuation operation and way to the

469
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Speaker 3: State to the State Department. They don't know how to

470
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Speaker 3: do that. Additionally, they farfeted Bakam Air Force Base and

471
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Speaker 3: moved their military out before they moved civilians. They moved

472
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Speaker 3: our military out before they evacuated civilians, before they evacuated

473
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Speaker 3: noble people groups, before they evacuated our equipment, and put

474
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Speaker 3: themselves in a position by giving a date to the

475
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Speaker 3: Taliban and not terms and that what I'm suggesting here

476
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Speaker 3: is that in this situation, you would never give a

477
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Speaker 3: date to say we'll be out by this date. You

478
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Speaker 3: say we'll be out when we get all of the Americans out,

479
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Speaker 3: we'll get all of our allies out, we'll get all

480
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Speaker 3: equipment out. And if you're get in a way, you're

481
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Speaker 3: delaying our departure. So stay out of the way. That

482
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Speaker 3: sort of strong president would have said, but instead he

483
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Speaker 3: gave a date, and when he came back and asked

484
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Speaker 3: more time, the Taliban said no, and they conceded to that,

485
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Speaker 3: and that's what cost human lives. So it left the Americans behind.

486
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Speaker 3: We didn't have to leave. We chose to stay. We

487
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Speaker 3: stayed for another two months and worked with a coalition

488
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Speaker 3: of other nonprofits, got another five thousand people out. After

489
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Speaker 3: the airlift was over, myself and a marine named Stashors

490
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Speaker 3: Price who was still in the Marine Corps. Marine Corps,

491
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: we put in a request and unquote cut him the

492
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Speaker 3: loose to go ahead, humanitary to take a leave and

493
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Speaker 3: come on a Mariitarny Aid mission with me. The two

494
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Speaker 3: of us went to Tajikistan and we went to about

495
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Speaker 3: twelve hours Steed Mountain to the border and did about

496
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Speaker 3: ninety miles of border reconnaissance. And we did it what's

497
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Speaker 3: called fording reps. We would swim across the Panja river

498
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Speaker 3: in Afghanistan to build routes out for other people coming

499
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Speaker 3: out because the mountains were so treacherous there twenty five

500
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Speaker 3: thousand foot peaks, the Panja rivers, Category five rapids, ice

501
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Speaker 3: melt water. That Chinese military was there, and Taliban was there,

502
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: the Russian military was there, the Tijikian border, Garver was there.

503
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Speaker 3: It's very difficult to cross, but thousands of thousands of

504
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Speaker 3: Afghans were trying to cross there. And again, when you

505
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Speaker 3: think about this, this isn't about bringing them in America.

506
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Speaker 3: This is about getting them out of Afghanistan with safety,

507
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Speaker 3: and they didn't know how to cross. So we were

508
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Speaker 3: able to go on the other side that were swimming

509
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Speaker 3: in Afghanistan and every for ten nights and build those

510
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Speaker 3: routes out to safely evacuate people. We provided the information

511
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Speaker 3: to our intelligence agencies, the US intelligence agencies, because there's

512
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Speaker 3: some great people there. Despite the decisions to the White

513
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Speaker 3: House made, there's some great people there. NGOs there are

514
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Speaker 3: evacuating people as well as as well as the asking

515
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Speaker 3: people themselves, the commandos who are trying to meet their

516
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Speaker 3: families in vulable women. And that's pretty much how the

517
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Speaker 3: operation ended for US. You know, unfortunately it's still Caliban's

518
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Speaker 3: control of forty million Afghans and women, twenty million women

519
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Speaker 3: that are they be sexual enslaved for their lives, and

520
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 3: it's a terrible situation there. And I do believe this

521
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Speaker 3: still the still Americans, many Americans still trap there.

522
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Speaker 4: This is the Michael Baizhell I was asked to authorize

523
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Speaker 4: and I did six thousand US troops to deploy to

524
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Speaker 4: Afghanistan for the purpose of assisting the departure of US

525
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 4: and allied civilian personnel from Afghanistan and to evacuate our

526
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Speaker 4: Afghan allies and vulnerable Afghans to safety outside of Afghanistan.

527
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Speaker 4: Our troops are working to secure the airfield and I'm

528
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Speaker 4: sure continued operation of both the civilian and military flights.

529
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Speaker 4: We're taking over air traffic control. We have safely shut

530
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Speaker 4: down our embassy and transferred our diplomats. Our diplomatic presence

531
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Speaker 4: is now consolidated at the airport as well. I know

532
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Speaker 4: there are concerns about why we did not begin evacuating

533
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Speaker 4: Afghans civilians sooner. Part of the answer is some of

534
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Speaker 4: the Afghans did not want to leave earlier, still hopeful

535
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Speaker 4: for their country and part of it because the Afghan

536
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Speaker 4: government and its supporters discouraged US from organizing the mass

537
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Speaker 4: act of this to avoid triggering, as they said, a

538
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Speaker 4: crisis of confidence. Here's what I believe to my core.

539
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Speaker 4: It is wrong to order American troops.

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Speaker 6: To step up in Afghanistan's own armed forces would not.

541
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Speaker 6: The political leaders of Afghanistan were unable to come together

542
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Speaker 6: for the good of their people, unable to for the

543
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 6: future of their country when the chips were down, they

544
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Speaker 6: would never have done so while US troops remained in

545
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Speaker 6: Afghanistan during the brunt of the fighting for them.

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Speaker 1: Chad robis Show is our guest as a former horse

547
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Speaker 1: ricon Marine. He was a contractor for the Department of

548
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: Defense eight deployments to Afghanistan, and he believes that we

549
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Speaker 1: owe a commitment to the people who helped him when

550
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Speaker 1: he was serving in Afghanistan, and that includes a commitment

551
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: to that country, and that includes a commitment to relocate

552
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Speaker 1: some of them here. He's written a book about it

553
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: called Saving Aziz was dropped on Tuesday of this week.

554
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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, but that's okay, and we'll

555
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: have that conversation now again. I feel like we have to,

556
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Speaker 1: I have to ask tough questions. And I know this

557
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: might seem unpleasant, but let's have that conversation. I suspect

558
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Speaker 1: some people would be of the opinion that, first of all,

559
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Speaker 1: whether we should have been there or not in the

560
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: first place. Some people would say we shouldn't we shouldn't

561
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: have gone, or we shouldn't have stayed. But then there

562
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: is a question of once we're there, and we're there

563
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Speaker 1: in what many call myself included a forever war, and

564
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Speaker 1: then there is a botch withdraw.

565
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Speaker 2: Does that mean that.

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Speaker 1: Every time we go into an area, Yes, there will

567
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Speaker 1: be locals who help us, and we hope they'll help

568
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Speaker 1: us in the future. And I understand your point on that,

569
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Speaker 1: but does that mean that in my backyard, or you know,

570
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Speaker 1: my brother's backyard or my sister's backyard, we have to

571
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Speaker 1: have people from another country brought in, some of whom

572
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: could slip through That might be bad folks and not

573
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Speaker 1: the good folks who helped you.

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Speaker 2: I wonder.

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Speaker 1: What about the idea that, hey, I'm sorry for those people.

576
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Speaker 1: The country has a lot of problems, but I don't

577
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Speaker 1: want any of those problems brought to my doorstat Uh,

578
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: what would you say to that, well, I'd say.

579
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Speaker 3: That we should have never made that contractual agreement in

580
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Speaker 3: the first place. Uh. They wee we made a contractual

581
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: agreement with people and uh and we didn't fulfill it.

582
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Speaker 3: So that'd be the first thing I'd say, because that

583
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Speaker 3: does hurt us in a national security level, because anywhere

584
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Speaker 3: we go again, I mean, what do we say it's

585
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: gonna be different this time. We're gonna we're gonna you know,

586
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: the deal we're gonna make. We're gonna we're gonna be

587
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: able to offer your passing citizenship. We're gonna do the

588
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: right thing for you. You know, we have a consistent

589
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: pattern of doing this. We get it in Vietnam. Uh,

590
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Speaker 3: and now we're we disbitted again that to seventy five

591
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: thousand Afghans and uh. You know, what America is a

592
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: is a country of immigrants. I am pro illegally, I'm

593
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Speaker 3: disgusting what's happening in the southern border, like every other American,

594
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Speaker 3: especially every other the Texans, uh and and I and

595
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Speaker 3: the I would probably be the most stringent person onah

596
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Speaker 3: on making sure that anybody does get a chance to

597
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: come to America is highly vetted. So I think we

598
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Speaker 3: probably maybe agree with I probably agree with you on

599
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Speaker 3: that more than you may thinks.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

601
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Speaker 3: I think that the contractual obligation should be fulfilled. But

602
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: it isn't a promise to immigration. It's a promise that

603
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Speaker 3: path immigration they have to have. They have to be better,

604
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Speaker 3: they have to be we have to know who they are,

605
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Speaker 3: and they have to have proven themselves worthy for the

606
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Speaker 3: chance to have a pasting citizenship in America.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Chad, you had these hold on will say.

608
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Speaker 2: I want to say this.

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Speaker 1: You had an interesting point, but you made it very cleverly,

610
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Speaker 1: and you dropped it in very subtly, and I want

611
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Speaker 1: to make sure people heard that because this puts this

612
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Speaker 1: all into perspective. We all understand you, me and every

613
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Speaker 1: listener understands that there are some good guys in Afghanistan,

614
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Speaker 1: and there are some bad guys, and the bad guys

615
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Speaker 1: are some of the baddest bad guys ever. And you

616
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Speaker 1: made the point that you weren't allowed to just move

617
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: the people that you knew with your own two eyes.

618
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Speaker 1: You knew their name, their kids name, you knew who

619
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Speaker 1: these people were, the ones you're speaking for, And you

620
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: made the point that it's not easy to move them

621
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Speaker 1: from one country to the other. He says, nowhere in

622
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Speaker 1: the world that it is easy, except in Laredo, Texas.

623
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Speaker 1: I hope our listeners will understand when we talk about

624
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Speaker 1: illegal immigration, you're not just talking about some guy that

625
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: wants to come here and mow lawns or work at

626
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Speaker 1: a construction site. There are Taliban members, al Qaeda members

627
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Speaker 1: who end up in Mexico with the intention of getting here.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that's who was coming to kill George W.

629
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Speaker 1: Bush when that was thwarted. And those were guys with

630
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Speaker 1: some serious training, and that was going to come through

631
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Speaker 1: the Mexican border across into El Paso or Laredo or

632
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Speaker 1: Horligen or wherever that may have been. And that should

633
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: put what Chad Robashow is talking about into perspective. Our

634
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: problem isn't just Mexicans want to come here. It's also

635
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: some really really bad terrorists in places like this that

636
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: are some of the toughest, baddest, meanest folks in.

637
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Speaker 3: The world, and their patient they'll spend years, they'll they're

638
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: not looking. You know, you know our operations, you know

639
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: when we do when we infiltrate other countries, we're doing

640
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: it really really hastily and quickly. I mean percisely, precise,

641
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: but hastily. These people will spend years, they'll dedicate their

642
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: life to do it. They'll they'll take twenty years to

643
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: get into this country and then and be a sleeper

644
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: until its game day. So it's very dangerous. Uh. And

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Speaker 3: like I said when you first ask bringing this topic up,

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Speaker 3: I'm equally concerned, as every American should be, that we

647
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Speaker 3: have had people in this evacuation make it to the

648
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Speaker 3: United States that should not be here or a danger

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Speaker 3: to American citizens in our national security. And I'm equally

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Speaker 3: concerned with that moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Chad robis show you're a fascinating cat. The book is

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Speaker 1: Saving Aziz how of the mission to help one became

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Speaker 1: a calling to save thousands. It was released on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: You can find it where you buy your books.

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Speaker 2: He is on.

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Speaker 1: Twitter at at Chad Robo. That's RBO at Chad Robo,

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Speaker 1: And if you get our Daily Blast, there will be

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Speaker 1: a link to his website a link about him some

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Speaker 1: things that we learned about him, very very interesting man,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate him taking the time to share his

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Speaker 1: this country because it has been immense