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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Body.

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Speaker 3: Move in.

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Speaker 2: Listen. It is Tuesday, January thirteenth, and we had a

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Speaker 2: stacked night of headlines. We discussed this last night. Melissa

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Speaker 2: Gilbert's husband, Timothy Buzzfield has turned himself in amidst those

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Speaker 2: child abuse allegations and he is speaking out. So we

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Speaker 2: have so much to unpack on that front. Also, the Clintons,

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Speaker 2: they have officially been held in contempt of court. They

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Speaker 2: were due to testify. He was today, blew it off.

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Speaker 2: She was supposed to be in court tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Blew it off.

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Speaker 2: So what happens here? And also that alleged wife killer,

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Speaker 2: remember Barry Morphew. He is back in court and is

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Speaker 2: entering a plea. And then there's this newly released footage

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Speaker 2: on social media with Gypsy Blanchart. Remember her, Gypsy Ross Body,

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Speaker 2: you're the one that brought it to our attention. She's

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Speaker 2: putting out some very odd social media posts that are

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Speaker 2: at least worth exploring. Yeah, been a while Tuesday. How

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Speaker 2: are you guys today, Well, it has been a while Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: I have been crazy all day, absolutely insane day.

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Speaker 4: Ye air.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is something in the air. It's almost tension

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Speaker 3: a little bit. I mean I feel it, hope.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And when we covered this many big sex abuse cases

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Speaker 2: all at the same time, it feels like actually every

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Speaker 2: channel and every media cycle right now has some weird

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Speaker 2: road back to pedophilia. And is that by design? I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but I'm just looking at our headlines this evening, right.

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Speaker 3: Timothy Busfield a perfect example, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: perfect example, Timoy Busfield.

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Speaker 2: And we talked about him last night. You know, we

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Speaker 2: were like, look, this guy's on the lamb. He's evading

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Speaker 2: the police. The marshals were out for him when we

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Speaker 2: were on air last night. That was big news. You know,

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Speaker 2: a Courtney, what do you think, what's the update here? Well,

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Speaker 2: there's quite an update.

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Speaker 6: And we're actually going to hear from Timothy Busfield himself

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Speaker 6: in just a moment. So, yeah, the actor, he's the

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Speaker 6: husband of Melissa Gilbert. She was of course best known

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Speaker 6: for Little House on the Prairie back in the day. Well,

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Speaker 6: he finally did turn himself in today after being I

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Speaker 6: say finally it was a day, but still he had

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Speaker 6: marshals after him and he disappeared Timothy Busfield after an

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Speaker 6: arrest warrant was issued that was tied to the allegations

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Speaker 6: of the child's sexual abuse, which, as you said, Stephanie,

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Speaker 6: is just pervasive. I don't understand it. So the sixty

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Speaker 6: eight year old actor bus Field, he's known for The

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Speaker 6: in the day, and he's a director as well. So

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Speaker 6: Busfield has been accused of sexually abusing eleven year old

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Speaker 6: he was only seven years old when this alleged abuse began.

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Speaker 6: And Timothy Busfield released a video after turning himself in,

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Speaker 6: and we're going to hear him state that he voluntarily

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Speaker 2: Let's go to that clip.

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Speaker 7: Now, Hi, everybody, it's tim I'm sure most of you

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Speaker 7: know that are watching this that I was ordered to

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Speaker 7: come to Albuquerque. I'm here now. I got the call

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Speaker 7: Friday night, I had to get a lawyer. Saturday, I

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Speaker 7: got in a car, drove two thousand miles to Albuquerque.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to confront these lies. They're horrible, They're all lies,

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Speaker 7: and I did not do any thing to those little boys,

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Speaker 7: fight it with a great team, and I'm gonna be exonerated.

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Speaker 7: I know I am, because this is all so wrong

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Speaker 2: Know, I can just jump in and say, as I

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Speaker 2: like running from the US Marshalls had such an admission

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Speaker 3: In twenty twelve, there is an allegation from a pretty

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Speaker 3: and it goes into pretty I mean it more of

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Speaker 3: like Leary, do you know what I mean? Like he's

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Speaker 6: I think, Well, and there's something else. Back in nineteen

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Speaker 6: it's an actor who plays a minor part, and she

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Speaker 6: accused Timothy Buzsfield of sexual assault during Little Big League.

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Speaker 2: So that's a long time ago.

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Speaker 6: But it's it's odd, you know, you add one and

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Speaker 6: and interestingly, he countersued for defamation and lost.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, that's a pint of suit. And was that a

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Speaker 2: Close to impossible, right, And that is you know, can

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Speaker 2: we all agree of the many things that a husband

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Speaker 3: Correct, it is it is. And the thing about it, too,

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Speaker 3: there must have been a long investigation into these claims, right,

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Speaker 3: that's probably over a year for sure, So they might

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Speaker 2: It's also just interesting too because this is the chatter

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Speaker 2: online that I've just been following because again, we don't

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Speaker 2: that he'll come back from. He claims his innocence and

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Speaker 2: you know, by many accounts, putting his face out there

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Speaker 2: at least shows that you're not running from it, right,

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Speaker 2: But what happens from here? And then also you know

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Speaker 6: And the allegations there it's not it's inappropriate touching, it's tickling,

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Speaker 6: it's kissing on the face while in the hair and

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Speaker 6: makeup trailer. Allegedly, Timothy Buzsfield encouraged the boys to call

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Speaker 6: diagnosed with moderate PTSD and anxiety. They experience nightmares, they

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Speaker 6: experienced bedwetting, which is all can be indicators of trauma,

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Speaker 6: right sure, wow, So so I don't know, We'll see,

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Speaker 3: A while, right, it has been, I mean the investigation,

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Speaker 3: Timothy Bussfeld. He suggested that the mother of these twins

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, by the way, that does happen.

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Speaker 2: Extortion happens too, sure, certainly not saying it's happening here,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 3: true crime all the time. We're right in the middle

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Speaker 3: And we're right in the middle of If you want

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Speaker 3: But I did pull up his charges. Do you want

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Speaker 3: me to read you guys's charges? Absolutely? Yeah. So they

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Speaker 3: really it. Wow, that's all we know. So he's not

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Speaker 3: So he's going to be in jail for quite some

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody unless they can negotiate who's been

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Speaker 2: accused of sexual abuse in jail. That is not a

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Speaker 2: fun run even ahead, you know, just like you were

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Speaker 3: We were talking, why didn't he just fly? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why did he drive?

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Speaker 6: It makes no sense to me, my only because it's

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Speaker 6: it defies logic unless he didn't want to go and

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Speaker 6: He has plenty and plenty of money. He could have

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Speaker 6: gotten a private plane. Or I don't know that he

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Speaker 6: didn't want a snapshot of him, is my only thought.

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Speaker 2: My thought went to, oh, this is like the last

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Speaker 2: trip crossly and that's why I was windows when I

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Speaker 2: or or And these are, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Our theories.

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Speaker 2: This is not based in reality, you know, but you

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Speaker 2: know these are horrible scenarios though. Can you imagine on

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Speaker 2: justice to served, thank goodness, this conversation is happening. Sounds

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: Full stacked house. So you know the Clintons. Bill Clinton

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Speaker 6: And this comes because, as you said, Stephanie, he refused

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Speaker 6: The House Oversight Committee is investigating the late sex trafficker

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Speaker 3: Well, they're saying that it's overreach, right, I mean, they're

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Speaker 6: The Clintons are saying that the subpoenas are quote invalid

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Speaker 3: So they're saying that, you know, the committee has only

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it feel like it's sort of like the Trump

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Speaker 3: That's their argument that they're being unfairly targeted politically, that

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Speaker 2: What if a handshake these guys were in the same

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody that gets subpoena should go, including the Clintons.

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Speaker 3: So they're arguing that that you know, Comer, the House

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Speaker 2: And by the way, that would imply that they think

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Speaker 6: But Stephanie, you said, wouldn't he want to, you know,

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Speaker 6: Can you imagine how disinclined he would be to put

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Speaker 2: If you're inclined enough to get in the hot tub

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Speaker 3: He may know the victims.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it appears that he was in a bathtub

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Speaker 2: I actually thought they when they said release all the files,

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Speaker 3: are clearly saying that this investigation is completely unserious. And

437
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Speaker 3: this is Donald Trump coming after.

438
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: Us I know, and Donald J. Trump, you know, a

439
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: month and a half ago, said hey, I have an idea,

440
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: let's investigate the Clintons. It is like this like ping pot.

441
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're totally on script.

442
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: Oh I see what you're saying. And I'm saying that

443
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 3: the hand I misunderstood. I thought you meant the handshake

444
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 3: deal was like they were going to be cooperating.

445
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they were going to equally not cooperate.

446
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: So end of days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I gotcha.

447
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: You deny, I deny.

448
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: There's no improve The guy's good.

449
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 6: Right, Well, the committee chair, James Comer, said that the

450
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 6: panel will move forward with contempt proceedings next week, right,

451
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 6: which what is that'll be interesting to They'll.

452
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: Be held in contempt of Congress and that's a that's

453
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: a problem. But the Clintons are saying they're going to

454
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: fight it publicly. They're going to fight the contempt charges.

455
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: And yeah, they're They're said they're going to do it

456
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: very publicly, but I don't know. Both of them posted

457
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: the same statement to their Twitter accounts today.

458
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: We aren't they in like those silly outfits Courtney and

459
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: the photos, yes, the silk, the silks, like the matching pajammys.

460
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 6: It looked like it was so gross and like, what

461
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 6: is Hillary supposed to say tomorrow?

462
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 2: I know she's not going to do show up, we

463
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: get that, but what was the intention? Like what information

464
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: does she have is she privy to this. By the way,

465
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: isn't it an interesting backdrop though, when you look at

466
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 2: where we are now, when you think about the debate

467
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: between Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump at the time

468
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: when they had all this nonsense in common already.

469
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this on each other and they were

470
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: sniffing each other. Yeah, and he was like, do you

471
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: remember Donald Trump was like stalking her.

472
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: State, like in that suit, and like, you know, it

473
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: was just this, But there was a backstory that only

474
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: they were aware of, and Bill Clinton was aware of,

475
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: and Prince Andrew was aware of. Epstein's been in the

476
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: backdrop of them as a grouping for a real long time.

477
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: I'll be real, A lot of these names haven't changed.

478
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: So this little you know, box, it seems like it's

479
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: getting ripped open.

480
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: But it's like the same core. It is find the

481
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 3: same confusing, it's the same players.

482
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: It is.

483
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: Confusing. I totally agree. And I mean, I'm not a

484
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: I don't know politics all that well, do you know

485
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 3: what I mean? So I don't know, but you know,

486
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: I'm just not Pollyanna about it anymore.

487
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

488
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 6: I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with politics.

489
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 6: It has to do with preservation of reputations. Well, I

490
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 6: think this period that's I think that this is all political.

491
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 6: I think this has everything to do with politics. Yeah,

492
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 6: I feel I kind of agree that. I don't believe

493
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 6: the House is doing a legitimate Epstein investigation. I think

494
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 6: they're using the Epstein investigation do political witch hunts. However,

495
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 6: I do believe the Clintons are United States citizens and

496
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 6: they should be under the same law that you and

497
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 6: I are under. And I do believe they aren't contempt

498
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 6: to Congress.

499
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: Correct both things, so.

500
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I need both things.

501
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: To be true. I think they learn and even our

502
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: true crime investigations on like a good old like an

503
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: investigation that starts like with a body at a crime scene,

504
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: and we're neutral if we look at this in an

505
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: unbiased way.

506
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not biased.

507
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: It's like there's there's no right answer, there's no wrong answer.

508
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: It's all just like I mean.

509
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: I think I think the average American feels the same way,

510
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 3: like this is political. I mean I don't. I don't

511
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: think the Epstein investigation should be political, though, do you

512
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, it's not like from our perspective,

513
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: it's not political, but from their perspective, it is right.

514
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: That's how I said, they're all playing chess. And there's

515
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: again a backstory that we just weren't aware of. So

516
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: that makes me a little angry too. And again if

517
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: it's not true, go ahead, please tell us more. They're saying.

518
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: The Clintons in their statement had basically said, you know,

519
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: we said everything we needed to say. We wrote it

520
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: all down and you have it. But that's different, Like,

521
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: there's some of this stuff is very nuanced. Many many

522
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: of the victims have come forward. There's a lot of

523
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: you know, chatter about even this Sasha person that we'll

524
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: talk about. There's been so much chatter online that it's

525
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: really hard to know what's what's for what right, And

526
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: we as a team here and as a conversation, we

527
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: always are with the victims. I mean, that's a we

528
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: are a victim forward at all costs. And then now

529
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: add all the AI stuff. It's a layer that people

530
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: can point to also to discredit a victim. Oh that

531
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: was manipulated, that's not real.

532
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 8: Fake.

533
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: So we're saying that so much that I feel like

534
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: we're getting desensitized. Everyone's like, oh, but it's you know,

535
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: it is sort of important stuff. It's a near impossibility

536
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: not to be desensitized, though I know. I mean, former

537
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: president of the United States and the former Secretary of

538
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: State are unwilling to go and sit down to discuss

539
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: something that was a hoax. What it's fine, then let's

540
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: put this to bed. Why are we just dragging this

541
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: on to not show up? Is I think so inappropriate?

542
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: I think it's inappropriate too. I a hand down. But

543
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 3: I think what they're saying in their statement, this isn't

544
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: me saying. If this is what they're saying. I think

545
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: what they're saying is that we're not legitimizing this by

546
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: showing up because it's you know, no, I hear you.

547
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: I think that's what they're saying. I don't know for sure,

548
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: but that's kind of how I interpreted what they're saying.

549
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: I think they're wrong to do that. I think that

550
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: they should respect the letter of the law. As the

551
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: former you know, President of the United States.

552
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: Secretary and Secretary of Right. Yeah, no, we're supposed to

553
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: believe in if I'm a victim and I have the

554
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: courage to come forward and feel fur for my life,

555
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: and pictures are getting released and you're in many of

556
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: them and can basically say yeah, I get it, I

557
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: was there, this was this, this was that.

558
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: Come on, you mentioned the Sasha, Can I talk about

559
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: that very yes, let's just come about that please. So

560
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: interviews surface via a substack, which is like a website

561
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: where journalists can post stories that aren't you know, published

562
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: in you know, mainstream media, and so substack. These interviews

563
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: have surfaced with a man named Sasha Riley who claims

564
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: to be a survivor and witness of alleged criminal activities

565
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: linked from Jeffrey Ebstein to Donald Trump, to Clarence Thomas

566
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: to Jim George. I mean the list, it's a long

567
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: list of people that everybody knows who these people are.

568
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: His accounts describe extreme, extreme child trafficking, extreme sexual abuse,

569
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: and murder murder, what the catch. These claims have recently

570
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: circulated widely on social media platforms including I mean every

571
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: single one that you can think of, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram,

572
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: Twitter threads. Specifically, they're all over the place and it's

573
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: drawing a lot of public attention for calls for anvent stigation.

574
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: The issue is that the entire epscene file release has

575
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: not happened yet, Okay, exactly, So no one can can

576
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: substantiate these claims right now, right because the entire thing

577
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: hasn't come out, so nobody can really vet this information.

578
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: But it's gaining a lot of momentum. And I will say,

579
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: the allegations in these in this interview they're terrible. They're

580
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: they're almost I can't even repeat them on air, that's

581
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: how terrible.

582
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: And they're also unverified.

583
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: That's my point. They're unverified, right.

584
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: So that's a larger combo. Again, maybe it's not verified

585
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: by mainstream outlets. We've been really trying to find any

586
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: mainstream outlet who's covering the story, which it's not happening. Well,

587
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: they don't have the files, no I know. But even

588
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: like sometimes you can find a witness, or you can

589
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: go courthouse, you know, if you have the the newsroom

590
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: at your at you're ready in that regard. I think

591
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: at this point there could be some verifiable facts that

592
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: hasn't happened yet, which is why we're not going to

593
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: even go too deep into We can follow it closely

594
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: and if it if it appears tomorrow, but we do

595
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: want two sources on it. But boy, is it getting

596
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: a lot of traction.

597
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: I mean you're seeing it all over your feet, literally everywhere. Everywhere.

598
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: It's and I try to watch everything and all the things. Well,

599
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: that's why I texted you yesterday.

600
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: I was like, he were so dead on yeah. Or

601
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: either that or our phones were listening to us. I

602
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: don't know, but it's like exclusively this story, right right, Okay,

603
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: So the Luigi case, we know, we've been following it

604
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: very closely. It's getting divisive. In fact, let's go to

605
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: a talk back right now, true crime.

606
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 9: I have to make a comment about this whole Luigi thing.

607
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 9: It's driving me insane in this backpack, and where is

608
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 9: the justice And the fact that the people at McDonald's

609
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 9: called for help, they were afraid, they thought he was

610
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 9: exactly who he turned out to be, and they called

611
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 9: the police for help. Why the police is in question

612
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 9: about looking in that book bag is beyond me.

613
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: It's a great question.

614
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: You've spelt that out so well, what a great talk back,

615
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 2: because that's how I see it verbatim, but I wouldn't

616
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: have articulated it that well. So if I that's like

617
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: what's in my head too, and Boddie, I think you

618
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: and I might disagree with this. We do, so like,

619
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: let's explain it to me, because I just think I

620
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: just don't get it.

621
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: So it's because of it's because of the Fourth Amendment.

622
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: And you know, I feel like a lot of people know,

623
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: like what the First Amendment is and what the you know,

624
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: the Second Amendment is, but I don't think a lot

625
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: of people understand what the Fourth Amendment is. And arguably

626
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: it's one of the most important ones that we have, Okay,

627
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: and let's discuss let's discuss it. So it's the right

628
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: of the people to be secure in their person's houses, papers,

629
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: and effects against unreasonable sorts and seizures, okay. And in

630
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: layman's terms, what that means is, please just can't search

631
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: you nearly willy, your stuff, your home or whatever whenever

632
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: they feel like it. And because the backpack is a container,

633
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: it's a they don't view it as pockets. Like it's

634
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: not like in your genes. It's not your person, okay.

635
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: And there on a table. It was actually on the

636
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: tape on him.

637
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't even on him, and that's the key. It

638
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 3: wasn't on him, okay. And because it's a container, it

639
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: gives the defense an argument that it should not have

640
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: been searched and because they did not have a judicial

641
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: warrant to do so, okay, they might not even even

642
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: have taken it, you know, to inventory, because there's two things.

643
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: There's investigative investigatory searches and inventory searches, okay, And investigatory

644
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: searches are conducted via oh, let's see what's in the backpack.

645
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: Sure you need a warrant for that, And that's what

646
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: they did not have a warrant. They did not have

647
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 3: a warrant for that. But that's the argument.

648
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: Isn't there one other side to this particular story that

649
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: I hear that? By the way, I totally hear that,

650
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: and that was a great explanation also, especially that not

651
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Speaker 2: on the person part. But wasn't there a fear of

652
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Speaker 2: a bomb or that's what they said, or a firearm

653
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Speaker 2: or there was no there were no ability of like

654
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Speaker 2: anybody around them being in danger.

655
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Speaker 3: Okay, So a firearm argument is not a valid argument

656
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Speaker 3: because it wasn't on his person and he wasn't handcuffs

657
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: and they were taken.

658
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Speaker 2: Wasn't it just a bomb?

659
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Speaker 3: Maybe?

660
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a bomb, and they spoke, they spoke

661
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Speaker 6: about it and made reference to an event that had

662
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 6: happened actually to those officers who said, let's not pull up.

663
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Speaker 6: You know, say Brandon Brandon had been an officer who

664
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Speaker 6: accidentally brought a bomb to the station, right.

665
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Speaker 2: And that's what I think is like unique to this case.

666
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: Is that all right, well, I hear that, I hear

667
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: the Fourth Amendment part typically or this guy's like, you know,

668
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: there's a man hunt around the world right now, and

669
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Speaker 2: this guy is like, this could be a bomb threat.

670
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: There are people working at McDonald's. Someone just called nine

671
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Speaker 2: to one one from there to give us a tip

672
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: off and was like, there's a customer here. You know,

673
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: there were the Midtown shooter, right, the Midtown shooters?

674
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Speaker 3: So did they have cause?

675
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Speaker 2: And maybe that's what escalated.

676
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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if they have cause, they have to

677
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Speaker 3: call for a judge to get a warrant.

678
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Speaker 2: But doesn't that what I take forever? What if there

679
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: was time? Who has time to go get the warrant?

680
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: I watched Law and Order. It takes a day, No,

681
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: they can get them. How long does it take?

682
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Speaker 3: It took four minutes for them to get one to

683
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Speaker 3: search the locker of brain Koberger's.

684
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Speaker 2: Apartment Okay, So in this scenario, if they really did

685
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Speaker 2: fear that they were going to be bombed, well that's

686
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: a different to walk away and be like.

687
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Speaker 3: If they really thought they were going to be bombed,

688
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: that might be a different story. And I think that's

689
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Speaker 3: the story the prosecution is going to lay out, I think.

690
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Speaker 6: And I would I would err on their side if

691
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Speaker 6: I had to bet one way or the other because

692
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Speaker 6: they also have the body cam to that they were

693
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Speaker 6: talking about it and one other thing.

694
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Speaker 2: I just went back and look, you have the body cam.

695
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Speaker 6: Sorry, yeah, when they're talking about, you know, the potential

696
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Speaker 6: for potential actual bomb And I just went back right

697
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 6: now and looked at what the federal judge had said,

698
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Speaker 6: which was the backpack is clearly his person property, right,

699
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 6: No one disputes that he said it was his. It's

700
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Speaker 6: with him when he was arrested in a public place.

701
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 6: Police have to safeguard his personal property. So what am

702
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 6: I missing from my recitation of these events?

703
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: What is the dispute?

704
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: And didn't he give a fake name? He did, but

705
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: they didn't know that at the time.

706
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Speaker 6: But he was in a public place with belongings that

707
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Speaker 6: would go with.

708
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: Him, and a container a close container. That's the issue.

709
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: If he was wearing it or in his pockets, they

710
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: can search those things, but then when they're arresting the person,

711
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: they're not supposed to search investigatory wise the items until

712
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: it's being inventory. That's totally a different kind of search list.

713
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: He's guilty, you guys, I do one hundred. But you know,

714
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Speaker 3: we just can't allow the authorities to search us and

715
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: violate our civil rights. We can't as a country, like

716
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: we can't.

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Speaker 10: Do Stephanie, Like Rudy Giuliani in New York City had

718
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 10: the I think it was called a search and secure

719
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 10: where this whole conversation came up where if you fit

720
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 10: a certain profile, they the police now could search your bags,

721
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 10: could just seeze.

722
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Speaker 4: You know.

723
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Speaker 10: It's just reminiscent of that, And I can see why

724
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 10: body feels strongly about it because so many people spoke

725
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 10: up and said, this.

726
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 4: Is unfair, this is against my Fourth Movement.

727
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: So I guess that's what's so complicated about this case.

728
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: People speak up for his messaging because they're anti the insurance.

729
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 2: Now we're like speaking up for his Fourth Amendment, right,

730
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: But he's like, so there is something heroic about doing that.

731
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: Yet he's also the villain if in fact this is true,

732
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: and it's like they're all wrapped up in a bow

733
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: and it's so confusing. Well, I think they're siloed issues.

734
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Speaker 6: I don't think that this evidentiary, like going into whether

735
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 6: it was searched properly or not, has anything to do

736
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 6: with his guilt, has anything to do with his innocence,

737
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 6: whether he's a villain or a hero. It's just the

738
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 6: fact of was the search legal and should the stuff

739
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 6: be admissible?

740
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Speaker 2: That in my mind, that's yeah.

741
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Speaker 6: And PS that you know that that statement I just

742
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 6: read from the judge, which I agree with wholeheartedly. I

743
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 6: also think it was very wise that that judge, having

744
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 6: the weekend to think about what she said, then said

745
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 6: stand by, I'm taking myself up on the right to

746
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 6: change my minds, and I'm going to give this its weight.

747
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: I think it was very wise of her.

748
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: Isn't that we should all be living by that exact sentence.

749
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: It is okay for us to evolve, even this explanation

750
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: on all these sides, even if this topic makes it

751
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 2: so much clearer for me. Nice job explaining that body,

752
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: because I don't know that I fully like hear it

753
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: necessarily right.

754
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: And I get it. I totally get it, because it's

755
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: like this guy killed somebody right, like we saw it.

756
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: We all watched it happen, right, I mean, I mean

757
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: all evidence points that we've seen die on camera in

758
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: the last year. I can't take it, Like I can't

759
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: do it in my mind.

760
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Speaker 2: I also think that's part of this also, like we're

761
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: all like brazzled by it just when we recover from one.

762
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like we talked about it here Charlie Kirk

763
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: and then we're seeing this guy when we saw that person.

764
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: It's like it's a.

765
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: Lot for the world to take in. It makes me

766
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: very sad.

767
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 6: I sometimes think about, you know, how moments in time

768
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 6: take this one will be looked back upon in history

769
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 6: and it will not be fondly. I mean, this is

770
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 6: the year where what public executions became a thing that

771
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 6: we all start to become, frame by frame more immune

772
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 6: to them.

773
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 2: Like what is so how do we get productive even

774
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: on this? Because again I think we're all good and

775
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: our whole all of our listeners, we're all so good

776
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: at like dissecting things and sort of re looking at

777
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: stuff from a different angle. You know, some of this

778
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: requires that too, have like all put down everything we

779
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: think and unpack it because it's tough. Oh you know

780
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: it makes everybody man myself included.

781
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah in me too. And you know it's complicated. Like

782
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: you said in Courtney, it's very siloed, right, it's a

783
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: very silent situation. On one hand, I do believe he's

784
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 3: guilty because of what was found in his backpack though.

785
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: That's why I think he's guilty. Yeah, And so what

786
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: do you do?

787
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Speaker 6: Well, listen, this is true crime tonight, and what you

788
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 6: should do is keep listening. For sure, Courtney, We're on

789
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 6: iHeartRadio and I'm so lucky to be here with Body

790
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 6: Moven and Stephanie Leidecker, and we had someone to talk

791
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 6: back about Luigiamangio and that we have had a little

792
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 6: heated discussion about. We'd love to hear your thoughts, So

793
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 6: hit us up on a talkback or you can always

794
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 6: call us eight a day, three to one crime.

795
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 3: Do we want to go to another heated though? Did

796
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: you find that to be heated? I didn't find it

797
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: to be heated. No, I'm a little passionate and passion

798
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: I got riled up in a good way, not heated.

799
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: But in Brittany, you want to I is Courtney fight. No,

800
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: but I do think it's worth noting. You know, I

801
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: don't know all the I don't know all the answers

802
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: and whatnot, and I don't know. But in Courtney, like

803
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: you said, the judges don't even know. They're taking months

804
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: to evaluate this stuff, right, So you know it is.

805
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 3: It is a civil discussion about a passionate issue.

806
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, well said well but okay, yeah, yeah, you guys,

807
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 6: let's go talk back.

808
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 11: Good morning everybody. Well, actually it's giving for you whatever.

809
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 11: So I just finished a documentary. Oh it's Emily from

810
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 11: about the Boston. Well, this guy that played the lotto

811
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 11: on like just a whim any one? Okay, So is

812
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 11: the gamble playing and possibly not winning or is the

813
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 11: gamble playing and then possibly winning but winning too much?

814
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 4: Five hundred bucks?

815
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: Nobody gives a crap.

816
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 11: But if you win thirty million like this guy did,

817
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 11: he becomes the personal bank and everybody wants a piece

818
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 11: of them and then he ends up dead.

819
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Speaker 2: No shocker there.

820
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I see this all the time. Yeah,

821
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: oh my god. I guess I'm in Vegas. And so

822
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 3: we don't have the lone Emily. We always like love it.

823
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: We don't have the lottery, but we of course we

824
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: have gambling and I work with casinos, you know, and

825
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: we have a lot of customers that win like big

826
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: jackpots that you know, marketing wants to take their picture

827
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Speaker 3: or you know whatever, you know, lucky whatever won this

828
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: and they know they don't want it because they don't

829
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 3: want their family to know they want a lot of money.

830
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: Of course they don't. No, No, I tried to do

831
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: We did a show I had done. I think it

832
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: was like casting or something. This is so long ago

833
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: for the lottery winners who were trying to find love

834
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: after winning the lottery, and their.

835
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Speaker 3: Lives were a wreck. All the money in the world.

836
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody starts to mooch off of you. The lawsuits

837
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: suddenly comes. People are trying to extore you. But if

838
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: high school comes out of nowhere and says bad things

839
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: about you, from money to People magazine, right, necessarily people.

840
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, those were tough. Yeah,

841
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: you say nothing, you take.

842
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 10: It to the grades, don't tell your money.

843
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: Just be so generous now that nobody would even notice

844
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: your generosity changing.

845
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 6: There was a few shows on lot I mean this

846
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 6: is not nice words. But on a lot of losers,

847
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 6: you win it and you end up and you're arrested

848
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 6: for prostitution that you would have never done. Word church go.

849
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Speaker 6: I mean the story is the depravity.

850
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

851
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Speaker 3: My favorite TikTok trend at the moment is the one

852
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: where it says, you know, it's like the girl and

853
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: she's like, you know, sitting there and she's like, if

854
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: I won the lottery, I wouldn't tell anybody, but there

855
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: would be signs. And then it switches to like her

856
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 3: favorite like clothing line, you know, giving her a bunch

857
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: of clothes, like whatnot, there would be signs. Yeah, that's

858
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: like the major upgrade.

859
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: That's why you got to You gotta put yourself first already,

860
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: so you always look like you're a lot of winner

861
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: and feel like one. There you go and then the

862
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: money goes straight in the bank. Nobody will perfect we

863
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: have Yeah, let's go to another.

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Speaker 5: Okay, any your way off topic which I love. Body

865
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Speaker 5: is talking about yogurt with peanut butter. Try plain yogurt,

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Speaker 5: no sugar added with the powdered peanut butter. That way

867
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Speaker 5: you don't get the fat content from the peanut butter.

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Speaker 2: Super good.

869
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: Give it a trip.

870
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 2: I'm so with you.

871
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: It has the protein, the pepto powder.

872
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 6: I love it because, as we talked about, peanut butter

873
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 6: is particularly grunchy. I can't have in my house because

874
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 6: I sadly do not have restraint in that area. A

875
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 6: crunch of peanut butter but the PB two and that's

876
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 6: exactly what I put. You can put it in smoothies,

877
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 6: you do it in yogurt, just like she said. That

878
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 6: is a hot tip and I love it.

879
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: Really protein from it.

880
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: So it's like a it's like a protein powder. But

881
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: it's peanut butter flavored.

882
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's like dehydrated peanut butter. It's pure peanut,

883
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: it's pea.

884
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: I never heard of this before.

885
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: It's a delight my mouth handle that. Can you imagine?

886
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: What do you mix it with? I'm dying for that.

887
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 6: You water, if you want to make you can mix

888
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 6: it with water or a hit of milk with the powder,

889
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 6: and then you have.

890
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: A spreader drink. Sounds disgusting.

891
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no no, Because it's a powder, you're just rehydrating

892
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 6: the power.

893
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: But I can't imagine drinking water flavored peanut butter.

894
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: Or the consistency isn't water.

895
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 6: It's going from a powder to a solid because you're

896
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 6: reconstituting the powder.

897
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: Oh so it's so silu butter.

898
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 6: You can spread it on toast a banana on its Stephanie,

899
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 6: that's totally different.

900
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 2: Whatever is your pleasure? Yeah I can't.

901
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 10: But we have chocolate and peanut butter anything like if

902
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 10: I do a protein shake, it's the peanut butter.

903
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: And she solved the r all of us.

904
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: I see teamwork, making the dream work great. Talk back,

905
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: wait to keep her Sutherland to get arrested? Was I

906
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: was just about to say keep for Sutherland. I at

907
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: least I just.

908
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 6: Found out about it. Turns out he was actually arrested

909
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 6: early Monday, early yesterday morning, and it was with an

910
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 6: altercation with a ride share driver in the Hollywood area,

911
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 6: right in the center of it. So, Keeper Sutherland, if

912
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 6: you don't know him, he was from twenty four He

913
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 6: was a stand by beat back in the day.

914
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: He was from US you can't handle the truth.

915
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 6: Fire and yeah, this guy he's had some troubles. He's

916
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 6: been arrested for duys before. But yeah, assaulting a Juli.

917
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: X Oh, that's right?

918
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 6: Whoa from flatline. Oh my goodness, back in the day.

919
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 6: All right, well, listen, keep it here. We've got lots

920
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 6: more to come. We've got Barry more few updates, We've

921
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 6: got Gypsy Rose updates, Buckle up, and some more talkbacks.

922
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: True Crime Tonight. Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio.

923
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: We're talking true crime all the time. Stephanie Lydecker, Courtney Armstrong,

924
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 2: a body move in and we have a full house

925
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: in the studio as well, with Taha our producer, and

926
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: Sam and Adam in the control room. So Barry Morphy,

927
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: we haven't talked more few Rather, we haven't talked about

928
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: him in a while. Accused of killing his wife on

929
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: Mother's Day, and he is he's finally, I guess, saying

930
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: his part.

931
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: What do we think, Boddy Well, I mean, I don't

932
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: think any of us thought he would plead guilty. But

933
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 3: you know, again, Barry Morphew has again pled not guilty

934
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: to first screen murder in the death of his wife,

935
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: Suzanne Morphew. She was forty nine at the time of

936
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 3: her death, his wife and the mother of his two

937
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: beautiful Daughters's day right on Mother's Day. Victim Suzanne morpheu

938
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 3: was reported missing on Mother's Day in May of twenty twenty.

939
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: Remember this was like the height of COVID too, right,

940
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: we have to go back in time and put our

941
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: heads back in that space. Can you guys believe COVID

942
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 3: is like six years ago now? No, so it seems

943
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: like yesterday.

944
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

945
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 3: So anyway, I'm high digress. So after she went for

946
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: a bike ride near her Colorado home, he reported her

947
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: missing because she never came home. Barry Morphew, victim Suzanne

948
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: Morphew's husband, was first charged with her murder in twenty

949
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: twenty one. The case was dismissed in twenty twenty two

950
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: due to some prosecutorial misconduct until her body was found,

951
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: because she had never been found. She had just been

952
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 3: missing the whole time.

953
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: And his life kind of went on too, and he

954
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: did a devoted father, and he moved to a standing

955
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: by him like life got back and like woof, that

956
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: was behind him.

957
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: Right. He moved to like a little town in Arizona,

958
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 3: and he was telling people he had a different name,

959
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: and he was hitting on girls at the bar, and

960
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: it was like line dancing. He was like line dancing

961
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: and his woman and he would he would tell one

962
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: woman at the bar. His name was this, and another

963
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: woman his name was that. It was very all very,

964
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: it was a lot. So again, her body was discovered

965
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, and remember we've talked about this

966
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: a lot. Her remains looked as if the bones had

967
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: been bleached, and we don't know exactly if that means

968
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 3: via the sun, like if she was exposed to the

969
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: elements for a really long time and the sun can

970
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: bleach your bones, or if it was the chemical. I

971
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: don't know that we know that yet.

972
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: We don't know that.

973
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: But Joseph Scott Morgan, I remember us.

974
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm packing it many many.

975
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 3: Months and we haven't looked at in a while.

976
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we haven't seen it in a bit. But

977
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: you know, those are two working theories. And didn't he

978
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: have like weird drugs that only he had that's to tranquilizers.

979
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the key here. So the corner ruled that

980
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: her death was a homicide and it was caused by

981
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: intoxication from this BAM And I could I could spell

982
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: out what that is. It's but it's hard for me

983
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: to pronounce. But it's basically a tranquilizer that's used for wildlife,

984
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: especially deer, and Barry Morphy was one the only civilian

985
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: locally that was prescribed.

986
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: Bam, what are the odds?

987
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: So the odds are not in his favor, right, No,

988
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: and I think they're not.

989
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: Family have sort of started to question him a bit,

990
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: but he is still claiming his.

991
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 6: Innocence, right, I don't know. Have the daughters changed. I'm

992
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 6: actually I'm trying to find that now.

993
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: And knowing I'm not terrible for them no matter how

994
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 2: you slice, this a terrible place for them, right.

995
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 6: Because yeah, they're both support unless things have changed very recently.

996
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 6: But yeah, both of his grown daughters are supportive of

997
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 6: him period the end, but also are on the prosecutions

998
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 6: witness list which want justice.

999
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: For their mom. Yeah, like they both things. Again, both

1000
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: things can be true. You stand by your father, that's

1001
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: incongruent with the man that raised you and that you know,

1002
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: Yet you also want justice for your mother's murder.

1003
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: Right. What a tough tough corner to be in. Yeah,

1004
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: it's got to be a really tough spot. So again,

1005
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 3: he was arrested initially, right, and he was public to

1006
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: like making videos like I need to find my wife,

1007
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: Like he was a bit much yeah, it's a bit much.

1008
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: It was well, yeah, it was a bit much.

1009
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that. I mean, he's but if he.

1010
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: Gets arrested, he gets indicted, he pleads not guilty, and

1011
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: then this prosecutorialist conduct happens and the case is okay,

1012
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 3: they have to let him go, and you know, thank

1013
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: god they did because then, you know, a year or

1014
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: two later, they found Suzanne's body and after looking you

1015
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: know that they were finally able to do an autopsy. Right,

1016
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: So now they have more evidence against him. So had

1017
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: they had they stayed, you know, with what they had

1018
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 3: at the time, they might not have found Suzanne's body

1019
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: and they wouldn't have had much to prosecute and they

1020
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: might have gotten off, right, And if he gets off,

1021
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 3: like he gets acquitted, he's not going to get reprosecuted.

1022
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 3: You know, suddenly they find Suzanne and they see this

1023
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: bam in our system, they wouldn't be able to prosecute him.

1024
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: So kind of like WHOA worked out a little bit?

1025
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, this little Tristy had in Arizona might

1026
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 3: have worked out a little bit, right.

1027
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, this is like a complicated one.

1028
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: So we're going to be going this very closely obviously,

1029
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: obviously and hopefully get some justice for the daughters. But again,

1030
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: there's no happy ending here now. Either there's not justice

1031
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: for your mother and the killer is not found and

1032
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: this continues, or you find out that your dad was.

1033
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: Responsible and it's going to be it's going to be

1034
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: a minute.

1035
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 6: It seems like the trial won't be until October or

1036
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 6: so right now. It's been set for October thirteenth of

1037
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 6: this year through November twentieth, and I have.

1038
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 3: To say, on a personal note, I'm a little upset

1039
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 3: because the trial will not be televised. Why because a YouTuber.

1040
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say the person's name because I

1041
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 3: don't want to give them any play. A YouTuber streamed

1042
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: the trial when it wasn't supposed to be.

1043
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: It's so bad it ruins it for so many people.

1044
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: We saw that go down once two in a courtroom,

1045
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 2: and it was so upsetting to me. I'm just like,

1046
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 2: they have like a secret camera and a pen or something.

1047
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: It was really bad and egregious and it put a

1048
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: lot of things at jeopardy, including the trial, and we

1049
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: were not cool with that, and that was kind of shocking.

1050
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: It was terrible.

1051
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 6: I mean there were officers who came in and.

1052
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: That was that was that was harrowing in a way.

1053
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: That was terrible.

1054
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, what a just came in to arrest the person

1055
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 10: that was filming.

1056
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: He was removed from the courtroom.

1057
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 4: Oh they called him. Oh wow, yeah wow.

1058
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: I mean can you imagine? And also, so it's a

1059
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: real if you're standing trial or if you're on the

1060
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: witness stand and you're saying something of real relevance and

1061
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: you're in this moment and now this guy's ruining it

1062
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: because he wants to be streaming. First, that's not appropriate.

1063
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: No, it's not, So the trial won't be streamed. And

1064
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: it's also worth noting that Barry Morphew is out on bond,

1065
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 3: so he's he's you know, out and about, you know,

1066
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: living his best life. Well not really because he's on

1067
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: house arrest. But he uh, it was a three million

1068
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: dollar bond. Wow, he got as so he's not a

1069
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 3: weighting three million dollars. Well, I don't think he has

1070
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: to pay the whole thing, right.

1071
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: No, three million dollars bond. I believe you pay ten percent.

1072
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 6: Three hundred thousand, Yes, that would be three hundred thousand

1073
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 6: dollars and then you're I believe you owe the balance

1074
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 6: if you don't show up.

1075
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not. That's a my understanding of how Bond's work.

1076
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 3: I've never been arrested. I have no idea arrested.

1077
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 2: No, no, I owned a disaster. I would last two seconds.

1078
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 6: I would be so annoying they would like give me too, totally.

1079
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 6: I was a best I was a bridesmaid, best lady.

1080
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: I forgot that.

1081
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: It's called you were probably the bridesmaids so many times.

1082
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: Courtney's got to be the best bridesmaid. Oh you are

1083
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: like show up, you'll rally, you'll be there, you're responsible,

1084
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 2: you won't mess up the deadlines, and you'll be fine.

1085
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: You'll be the last man standing too. It was a

1086
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: bridesmaid's thirteen times. It's actually it's exactly why, by the way,

1087
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: because you really understand the assignment.

1088
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: I know it, like it's not.

1089
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: Complicated, Like you don't get caught up in all the

1090
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: family drama.

1091
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: It's like, this is how it goes. Everybody, let's go.

1092
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 6: But in a speech, I actually I thanked the bride

1093
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 6: for my clean arrest record.

1094
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 3: I was not.

1095
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: She got me out of being arrested. Multiple times, and

1096
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 2: I leaves there, but armstrong, why give us one tidbit?

1097
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 6: Oh, just a college undery alleged unduraede drinking aleged, you know,

1098
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 6: but the the alcohol and firearms coming in at Yeah,

1099
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 6: that's right, Yeah, no they No, I didn't have firearms.

1100
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 6: That's who goes into bars to get the underage people

1101
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 6: as the alcohol.

1102
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: A T A T F. Anyway, So no, I've never

1103
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 2: been arrested. Thank God to call, though, I'll be crying,

1104
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: throwing up, screaming disaster.

1105
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: I'm glued.

1106
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: I can't jump you if you don't back up.

1107
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 6: You don't have pilates here, but have you ever almost

1108
00:56:52,120 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 6: no pilates.

1109
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: Many times I've been wearing a weighted best this week.

1110
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 2: I need to stredge.

1111
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: In a more sobering note. There's some statistics I wanted

1112
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: to kind of read real quick. On the global scale,

1113
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: the US ranks thirty fourth for intentional female homicides at

1114
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 3: a rate of two zero point six killings per one

1115
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: hundred thousand women, and the in the US, almost three

1116
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 3: women are killed by an intimate partner per day.

1117
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: That's the biggest killer of women. I would have said

1118
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: the opposite. I thought that it was and that's maybe

1119
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: a little encouraging, but again, look at those numbers, it's horrifying.

1120
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: Encouraging in the worst way, in the worst category, I

1121
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: should say. But I yeah, partners, it's excess, it's you know, relationships.

1122
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 3: Speaking of exes, the Ohio case, right that we've just

1123
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 3: seen this with the Ohio case. Yes, can we go

1124
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 3: to a talk about right now? Let's do it.

1125
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 5: Hi, ladies, you guys were talking about the Bio couple.

1126
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 5: I'm wondering if maybe the ex husband just now found

1127
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 5: out where she is and where she's living and what's

1128
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 5: going on with her. Maybe he hasn't been sitting on

1129
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 5: this for ten years. Maybe he just found out where

1130
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 5: she was and decided to go get her.

1131
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: Step thought, Yeah, also the power of social media. Yeah,

1132
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: that's true. And Stephanie, you made a really good observation

1133
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: after the show last night that I thought you should

1134
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: maybe talk about not his hair.

1135
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: I was so interested by that.

1136
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: Again, this is an observation, not an accusation, So just

1137
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: a thread that. Yeah, I got like a spidy sense

1138
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: when he appeared in court. Now, the accused, which is

1139
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: Monique Teppi's ex husband. They've been separated for ten years

1140
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: or divorced, i should say, and they were only married

1141
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: for two years. But here he is a big guy.

1142
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: He's just been arrested. He's driven four hundred miles allegedly

1143
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: to kill his ex wife and her now current husband.

1144
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: And he had this like really fresh haircut. You know,

1145
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: he had sort of these like military kind of smart eyeglasses.

1146
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: Obviously he's a vascular surgeon. He represents very well. He's

1147
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, in healthy all the above. But when you

1148
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: when you look at him from behind, because the camera

1149
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: in the courtroom was behind him, he has like a

1150
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: perfect little fade almost like you're gussying up the good.

1151
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1152
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: Like it was like a man on a tear after

1153
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: being boozy for too long, crying in the corner about

1154
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: his you know, ex wife, and has decided to rough

1155
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: and tumble across the country for four hundred miles.

1156
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: Right, what the hell trip is this? And it was

1157
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: it wasn't so fresh. It was like a two week

1158
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: old haircut, right like it was. Yeah, I'll show you, like,

1159
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: was he No? It was I plan being in prison?

1160
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: Oh, would you agree?

1161
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: I did agree?

1162
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 6: I looked too, but then I looked and then I

1163
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 6: continued looking. So what you said, maybe what happened. Also, uh,

1164
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 6: you have the opportunity need to get a haircut before

1165
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 6: a court appearance. When you're in prison, they often will

1166
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 6: have facilities in the prison or your attorney can request

1167
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 6: it because particularly ruins it.

1168
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 2: I know.

1169
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 6: But it didn't look it didn't yeah, I mean no exactly.

1170
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: It just seemed like a two week old fresh yeah. Yeah.

1171
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: Because if he got his haircut to go someplace to

1172
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: look well, either knowing he was going to be photographed

1173
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: in some way or to be impressive in some way,

1174
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: or he got a haircut when he got booked track.

1175
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 3: I don't know. Ten years, I mean they were they

1176
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: were separated or divorced for so long. What could have

1177
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: what could have made him so angry or you know,

1178
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 3: or passionate. Let's just go with it.

1179
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 10: Was it was around the holiday season. He might have

1180
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 10: been seeing picture. By the way, that could time.

1181
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 4: With the haircut, because like you know, it's the holiday,

1182
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 4: so maybe he was cleaned.

1183
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 3: Up at the point he was a physician.

1184
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: By the way, you look at those photos, if you're

1185
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: kind of ragie, if you will, or you lack emotion

1186
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: and you have jealousy, and let's assume this for a second,

1187
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: because this is the accused and it's the holidays, and

1188
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: you look at Monique and Spencer type they are like

1189
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: the most glowing beautiful couple in all of the land,

1190
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: Like they just jump out at you too. So if

1191
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,959
Speaker 2: you're already in that wicked headspace, is is that enough?

1192
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 3: Maybe? I don't know. I just I mean, I can't

1193
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 3: tell you the name of my ex from ten years ago,

1194
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: do you know what? I'm sure like, I just don't.

1195
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1196
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: Really, if you were married to that, you're married.

1197
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 3: If I was married, yeah, well maybe you.

1198
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: Know, and you had to like escape in the middle

1199
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: of the day allegedly, allegedly allegedly with your mother and

1200
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: move to a different state to start over because there

1201
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: was something that was not great between them. Potentially maybe

1202
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: that was a Spidey sense and you got out of

1203
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: there in time. But this guy was taking names and

1204
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 2: he was holding a grudge for that long. People do

1205
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that we know that.

1206
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: We don't know. It's scary.

1207
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: I guess that's what's so scary about it. If that's true.

1208
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe, yeah, that's maybe the talipat is right.

1209
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 3: Like looking up old girlfriends and whatnot, and it runs

1210
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 3: across her. Oh my gosh, Mike's wife. Look at these

1211
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 3: beautiful family. I haven't I don't have any of that.

1212
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: If I can't have, for no one can. Isn't that

1213
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: the story as old as time?

1214
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, the jealousy, you see that. But but I still

1215
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 10: don't understand. You know, wasn't there? Didn't he enter without right?

1216
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 2: The forest entry thing?

1217
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 4: So every time?

1218
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 3: But unless their was open, which is also possible, it

1219
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 3: is well.

1220
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 6: I bet we're going to find out a lot of

1221
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 6: these details as the court case unfolds.

1222
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 3: When we get there, we'll keep you updated as always.

1223
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 6: And coming up, unseen footage linked to Gypsy Rose Blanchart

1224
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 6: is coming out and it is unsettling.

1225
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: True Proud Tonight. Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio.

1226
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 2: We're talking true crime all the time of stuff here

1227
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: with Courtney and with Body. So, first of all, you've

1228
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: been talking a lot about Gypsy. You've been hearing a

1229
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: lot about Gypsy. I'm so excited to dig in. When

1230
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: to do that first, or go to.

1231
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 3: Our talk back, Let's do a Gypsy. I'm kind everything.

1232
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 3: So more than one hundred previously unseen videos have surfaced

1233
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 3: in the connected to the twenty fifteen murder of Dede Blanchard,

1234
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 3: in which her daughter, Gypsy Rose Blanchard and Nicholas go

1235
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 3: to John that was her boyfriend, were involved, and they've

1236
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 3: been made public through a Freedom of Information Act request. Okay,

1237
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: so here's what they're not. Though. They're not like new

1238
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 3: crime scene videos or law enforcement surveillance or pictures or

1239
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 3: anything like that. They are private or personal video messages

1240
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: allegedly made by Gypsy Rose before the murder. They're not

1241
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: official investigative footage. They're just messages that Nicholas go to

1242
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 3: John and Gypsy would send each other. Okay, They're video messages,

1243
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: and they include things that are pretty unsettling for a

1244
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: lot of people. Okay, they include some videos showing Gypsy

1245
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: talking about like some of her fantasies. We know, we've

1246
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 3: all seen the Gypsy Rose documentaries, right, Like we've seen

1247
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: the Act and we've seen Lifetime movies, right, We've all

1248
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: seen these, and.

1249
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: Just in case you haven't, like, Gypsy Rose's mother suffered

1250
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: from Munchausen's by proxy and was basically forcing her to

1251
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: behave like she was an enabled, sickly little girl in

1252
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: a wheelchair and shave her hair off and like take

1253
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: her teeth out and made her drink poisons. I'm paraphrasing,

1254
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: but being very very very very ill, she could have

1255
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 2: died on that path. And they were also kind of

1256
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: con artists also, right, Gypsy's mother was a con artist,

1257
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: using her beautiful daughter as a ploy to give attention

1258
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: for being such a devoted mother.

1259
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 3: And they got like a free house from the Habitat

1260
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 3: for Humanity or something like that exactly, and they got

1261
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 3: like free trips to Disney World and whatnot because you know,

1262
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 3: make a wish and all this stuff. So they were

1263
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: definitely con artists. And Gypsy Rose was raised in that environment,

1264
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 3: and it's important to all this, right, But Gypsy also

1265
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 3: had like this fantasy life, right, living outside of the

1266
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 3: Munchausen's by proxy, she lived a rich fantasy life, okay.

1267
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: And in part of these videos are talking about those fantasies,

1268
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 3: which is innocently enough, right, like you can live in

1269
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 3: a fantasy world, but her fantasy is really dark, and

1270
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 3: they involved talking about Nicholas go to John being a

1271
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 3: vampire and describing him and portraying him in scenarios involving

1272
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 3: marriage and having children together, okay, but he's like this

1273
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 3: vampire okay, and it mentions this absurd and graphic idea,

1274
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 3: like they have this hypothetical daughter, okay, and she's tadling.

1275
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 3: She's telling Nicholas go to John that, of course our

1276
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 3: daughter will be offered to you. You know, I'm not

1277
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 3: gonna I'm not going to offer her to you when

1278
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 3: she's little. I'm gonna wait till she gets a little

1279
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 3: bit older, like twelve or thirteen, and then oh, of

1280
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: course she's going to lose her virginity, virginity to you,

1281
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 3: and yeah, just terrible things. So a lot of people

1282
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 3: are describing this video footage is creepy, obviously disturbing. It's

1283
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 3: uncomfortable to watch, and especially seeing Gypsy like in a

1284
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 3: really animated fashion. You know, she we we learned she

1285
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 3: was basically like chained to her bed, you know, and whatnot.

1286
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: And she's not her nails are painted, no, right, her

1287
01:06:59,080 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 3: nails are painted.

1288
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 6: Well, even there were touches. First of all, I am

1289
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 6: clutching my pearls. That was, of course unbelievable, that, oh

1290
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 6: my goodness. But there were the slightest nods to that

1291
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 6: in some of the many documentaries that.

1292
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: She was.

1293
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know it would be baby baby because

1294
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 6: her mother forced her to be and Disney and stuffed animals.

1295
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 6: And then you know, I remember having being surprised at

1296
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 6: how vivid some of her sexual right.

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01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: Well, she would be living out a lot of living

1298
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 2: leisures and fantasies with this relationship, right well, like that

1299
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 2: was part of the poll.

1300
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 3: He was like obsessed with her.

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01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 2: They were having sexual kinds of places, right Like that

1302
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: was like this world that they lived in, which we

1303
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: all thought was maybe like sexual and young love, this

1304
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: would imply something much more sinister.

1305
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 3: Right And then there's videos of Nicholas go to John

1306
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 3: like replying to her, right so there's there's both sides,

1307
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: and he's telling her, yes, this pleases me, and you know,

1308
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 3: just very weird, you know, very weird. And she had

1309
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 3: all these different like personas, and she would wear different

1310
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 3: outfits and wigs and whatnot, and you know, say, oh,

1311
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm so and so today, and he would be like,

1312
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: I don't want you to be so and so today.

1313
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: I would like to see this person instead, and she

1314
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 3: would change her wig and okay, now I'm this person

1315
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 3: very strange. And you know, here's the thing, if if

1316
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 3: if they hadn't murdered her mom, it would look pretty innocent.

1317
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 3: I mean they're just like, you know, kind of nerdy kids,

1318
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of friends.

1319
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: She don't have friends, right, He didn't appear to either,

1320
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: and he was kind of slow. They said that, you know,

1321
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,799
Speaker 2: emotionally speaking, is that right?

1322
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? And you know I And also she comes out

1323
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 3: of prison and she goes on like podcasts and she's

1324
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: very you know, I thought clip, I wasn't.

1325
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 2: She was very clip.

1326
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 3: She even said that she doesn't identify as a murderer.

1327
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 3: I mean that's insulting. You murdered your mom, period and right,

1328
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 3: exactly like childhood. And Nicholas go to John, by the way,

1329
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 3: is still in prison. You're out, and he has a

1330
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 3: very you know, you asked if you was I think

1331
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 3: you just said it was.

1332
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 2: He slow? Yes, definitely.

1333
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 3: His IQ is he has a very low IQ. He has.

1334
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 6: Pretty severe uh autism, which does not make you violand

1335
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 6: but he has he has a multiple.

1336
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 3: Right, well, he had a lower.

1337
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: IQ meaning gypsy who in all accounts, she seems very

1338
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: clever and bright when I've seen her interview. She's an

1339
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 2: excellent talker, et cetera.

1340
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 4: May be.

1341
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: At this age, she was very convincing. Right, So, what's

1342
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: the difference between like a Gypsy Rose whose mother is

1343
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,520
Speaker 2: murdered or a Menendez?

1344
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 3: Is there? I know?

1345
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: The difference is Gypsy didn't hold the gun or use

1346
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: the knife. She made her boyfriend do it. She's out

1347
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: seven years and Nick says differently.

1348
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 3: Nick says differently, right, And you know, and here's the thing.

1349
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 3: It's it's brought the Gypsy Rose case back into the

1350
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 3: spotlight because a lot of online commenters, you know, besides

1351
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 3: the clips themselves, right, threads are heating up with people

1352
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 3: arguing about, you know, her current life and her past narrative,

1353
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 3: with some people claiming the videos are undermining her prior

1354
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 3: statements about her circumstances and abuse. You know, like I said,

1355
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 3: she's kind of she's you can see she's in like

1356
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 3: a living room. She's not in her bedroom. She's not

1357
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 3: she's her nails are fully done, she's got makeup, she's

1358
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 3: got a computer by the way, that her mom doesn't

1359
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 3: know she has right, right, right. And what it surprised

1360
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 3: you guys to learn. One of the most horrifying things

1361
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 3: I remember about her abuse was this this feeding tube

1362
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 3: that she had to get right. What it surprised you

1363
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 3: guys to it was horrible. What it surprised you guys

1364
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 3: to learn that she actually needed it? Oh well, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1365
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 3: So she has this legitimately, she has an it's called

1366
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 3: one Q twenty one dot one deletion syndrome. She genuinely

1367
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 3: has this, okay, And part of this deletion syndrome is

1368
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 3: failure to thrive and it's because of nutrition. She genuinely

1369
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 3: needed this feeding tube, but she presented it it was well,

1370
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 3: it was presented as if it was part of the Munchausen.

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01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 3: It wasn't.

1372
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 6: Well, but it is failure to thrive out you're talking

1373
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 6: about from when she was infant or.

1374
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 3: She was deprived of food correctly, Well that could be too,

1375
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 3: But she definitely needed this feeding tube as an adult,

1376
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 3: well not as an adult because she but when she

1377
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 3: was in her hou's care.

1378
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: And that means what in the end, like, how does

1379
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: that shape it for you? It does surprise me to know.

1380
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 3: That, Well, I had always thought and maybe incorrectly, and

1381
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 3: somebody can call in and let us know eighty eight

1382
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 3: thirty one crime because I might be incorrect about the

1383
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 3: idea that it was presented that it was part of

1384
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 3: the Munchausen's abuse, but in fact, she actually did need

1385
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 3: this feeding tube. Wow. Yeah, and she's it's something she

1386
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 3: still struggles with today's She continued receiving supplement of nutrition

1387
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 3: via the tube because she has a limited diet and

1388
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 3: inadequate nutrition in addition to underlying well documented swallowing swallowing issues.

1389
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: Wow.

1390
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 10: And this has nothing to do with what her mother

1391
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 10: did to her leading up to that question.

1392
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 2: But that's how it's presented. But isn't it interesting though?

1393
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 2: Wouldn't she not have needed I guess this is a

1394
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: chicken in the egg. Would she have not needed the

1395
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 2: feeding tube had she not been a victim of Munchausen's

1396
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 2: by proxy because mom was not tossing her proper food

1397
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: and not nourishing her correctly.

1398
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 3: And that could be, and that that very well could be.

1399
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 3: But she actually did need, ultimately need this feeding tube.

1400
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 2: Okay.

1401
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 6: And number one, that is very interesting, It's very sy

1402
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 6: I'm very surprised by it. However, you know, within the

1403
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 6: whole context of what we do know was going on,

1404
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 6: I don't know, Like I still her abuse was so

1405
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 6: incessant and from such a young age, and with her

1406
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 6: having no outside control, I don't know.

1407
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 3: Well in Gypsy, and Gypsy does respond and she says

1408
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 3: the videos do exist. Obviously she's acknowledging they exist, and

1409
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 3: she says they show me at a very trouble period

1410
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 3: is shaped by trauma and psychological control. I'm still here

1411
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 3: now and that's not who I am today. And by

1412
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: the way, so in her defense, I mean in her defense,

1413
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not saying it. Listen, it's just shedding

1414
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 3: some light on a case that you know, there's a

1415
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 3: lot of questions still.

1416
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, she did for a hot minute, Gypsy,

1417
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,799
Speaker 2: she came out, even if you were feeling empathetic, suddenly

1418
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 2: she was, you know, an insta star.

1419
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1420
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 2: That felt a little strange because I felt that vooting

1421
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: for somebody who really had also committed a very major crime.

1422
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 2: Right after just seven years we watched the wedding. She

1423
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 2: got married very quickly. You know who always gave her

1424
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:04,919
Speaker 2: hert ability?

1425
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1426
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 2: Right now she's with the new guy now and has

1427
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: had a baby again. No judgment, but just rash decision making,

1428
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 2: maybe without the tools of being well, I.

1429
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 3: Think, And then doubles somewhere to go because of her parole.

1430
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 2: Well, she had that great dad though she still has

1431
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: that great dad, and she has that great step that

1432
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 2: great Oh no, no, I want the documentary series.

1433
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 3: No I don't know, I said, mother who goes visits

1434
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 3: and stuff. Yeah, she seemed so nice. I thought so too,

1435
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 3: and that very well could be. But I've heard some things.

1436
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, but it wasn't an appropriate place for her

1437
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 3: to go, and I think it was in a different state.

1438
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 2: That could very well be.

1439
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she needed somewhere to go in the state

1440
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 3: in which she was released. Right, that would make that

1441
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 3: very minisilative. Right. You can't just get on parole and

1442
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 3: go anywhere you want. You have to go somewhere in

1443
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,759
Speaker 3: the state in which you were released. And Ryan Anderson

1444
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 3: was happy to do that. Yeah. I mean she came

1445
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 3: out and she was just so flamboyant and like the

1446
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 3: no and you know.

1447
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: Suddenly she's getting to make it over exactly a murderer.

1448
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't identify as that. It was just very like

1449
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 3: because I was rooting for her, so was I one

1450
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 3: hundred million percent. I was like, go gypsy, all right,

1451
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 3: good for you, you know, and then I'm like, wait

1452
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 3: a minute, same.

1453
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 2: Here, I started to turn and by the way, jokes

1454
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 2: on who I watched like a thousand hours of something,

1455
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: so I haven't not seen any of it, but it

1456
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: did make me conflicted by the way she presents very

1457
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 2: nicely and she's a good talker. She seems very honest

1458
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,839
Speaker 2: and forthright. And then the other side of that devil's advocate,

1459
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: where you you know, trained to be manipulative and that's

1460
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 2: just raised.

1461
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 3: That way, right, So I mean to no fault of

1462
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 3: her own, right, like her mom raised her the way

1463
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 3: she was, the way she is. You know, mom was

1464
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 3: a total con no question, you know, I just listen.

1465
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 3: She was able to have the planning to like, you know,

1466
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 3: the murder weapon was a knife, right, she like mailed

1467
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 3: the murder weapon, you know, to get it out of

1468
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 3: their possession. She had a lot of planning into the

1469
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 3: she was. She was the architect of her mother's murder.

1470
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 3: And my thing is is if she had the wherewithal

1471
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 3: and the mindset to have all this planning and whatnot,

1472
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 3: she could have just left. Yeah.

1473
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's very fair that the first option shouldn't be murder, right,

1474
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 12: of course, the option shouldn't I mean, arguably never never

1475
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 12: be right, never be but also how much could she

1476
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 12: see outside of her own life that she was living

1477
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 12: and had.

1478
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: Been locked in, and that zers is pretty low and

1479
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: that's hers.

1480
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 3: Very little time, and that's her you know, she has

1481
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 3: a lot of supporters, and that's their supporters argument is

1482
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 3: like listen, she was embroiled and raised and all this

1483
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 3: drama and trauma and that's really all she knew. She

1484
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 3: didn't know rational living and thinking and ways to get

1485
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 3: out of things. She knew like fight or flight and

1486
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 3: that's it.

1487
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: Which I sympathize with. I do too.

1488
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 3: I just think Nicholas go to John got an unfair

1489
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 3: you know, shake at this and Gypsy kind of didn't.

1490
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 2: That's was not equal and fair. It was an event,

1491
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: right right.

1492
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 3: And you know a lot of Gypsy supporters are standing

1493
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 3: up for her, and I'm glad that she has those people,

1494
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 3: you know, to kind of rely on to support her.

1495
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that are upset. A lot

1496
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 3: of people are upset, and this is making a lot

1497
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 3: of waves in the social media circuit. So what do

1498
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,839
Speaker 3: you think? What's your prediction for Gypsy?

1499
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 2: Is she going to have a nice, little happy life

1500
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 2: as with her little mom as.

1501
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 3: A mom, she's trademarking her name, which is interesting. She's

1502
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 3: trademarking her name, that's going through the process. Go ahead.

1503
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 10: She has a podcast coming up, she has she's been

1504
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 10: teasing an upcoming podcast try and dropping little hints since January.

1505
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 4: January first. Content's going to revolve about around healing, trauma, growth,

1506
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 4: and faith.

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01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel like she's constantly reinventing herself. It

1508
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 3: reminds me of her. Yeah, it is pretty interesting.

1509
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 2: Like her physical appearance has changed many times listen, and

1510
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: she always looks great, but I'm always surprised, like, wow,

1511
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 2: she looks so different, but she looks great, and then

1512
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: her hair will be a different color or long or short.

1513
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 3: She Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, it is definitely interesting, and we're

1514
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 3: definitely going to keep following it. We'll stick around because

1515
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 3: we've got more to dig into talk back to get

1516
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 3: to keep it right here te Crime Tonight, We're talking

1517
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 3: true crime all the time.

1518
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1519
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Steph here with Courtney and

1520
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,879
Speaker 2: Body and man, we're all really in the last segment

1521
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: of this is my go Let's go to a talk back.

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 8: Hey, Drew cran tonight. This is Christine Fra Roberta, Canada.

1523
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 8: How's it going. I was wondering if you folks plan

1524
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 8: on hosting a panel at this year's Crime Con. From

1525
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 8: what I can see, it is in Las Vegas on

1526
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 8: May twenty ninth through to the thirty first, and I

1527
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 8: think that this would be a great opportunity to sell

1528
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 8: your merch. I would buy a hoodie, a coffee cup,

1529
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 8: two pens, and awaited best.

1530
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 3: He's so good, so we should be. I would love

1531
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 3: to do that. Well, I mean, I mean i'd like

1532
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 3: to I'd like to get like a booth on podcast

1533
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 3: a row.

1534
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,799
Speaker 2: I don't know that's so we can't meet you guys.

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01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, at the stage and tell For people who

1536
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 10: want to crime con, just fill them in on what

1537
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 10: that is.

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01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 3: Oh god, I love crime con. So crime Con is

1539
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 3: a crime con. It's a crime convention and it's mainly

1540
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 3: true crime creators, law enforcements, medical professionals, friendsic experts, victims,

1541
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 3: a lot.

1542
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: Of victims, victims, victims, advocates.

1543
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, judges, even that kind of get together. And you know,

1544
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 3: there's there's there's there's panels, where there's stages, and there's

1545
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 3: many different panels going on at once where you know,

1546
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 3: you'll be presented a case and the victims maybe or

1547
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 3: the suspects even or if somebody was acquitted or even convicted,

1548
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,799
Speaker 3: we'll get up and talk about the case and and whatnot.

1549
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 3: In in my situation, of course, when I did crime con,

1550
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 3: I did crime con in England was fabulous. I did

1551
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 3: crime Con in Austin anyway, I did a bunch of

1552
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 3: crime cons where I gave panels on don't f with

1553
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 3: kats obviously, and then we did additional ones in Austin

1554
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 3: in with doctor Chris Mahandi. I'm talking about how important

1555
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 3: it is to recognize that people who aren't animals, you know,

1556
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 3: it's a predicate to move on to you know, hurting humans,

1557
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 3: and we you know, talked about all the scientific evidence

1558
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 3: that points any I digress. But it's also it's also

1559
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 3: an area for podcasters, and then I think this is

1560
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 3: where the talk bat comes in. They have like this

1561
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 3: big area like of the convention, and I'm telling you

1562
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 3: it's humongous where there's podcasters and they have like a

1563
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 3: table or a like a fancy booth where you can

1564
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 3: talk to your favorite podcasters and get merch and you

1565
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 3: know swag so to speak, you know, handing out you know,

1566
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 3: little cushies whatever, and you know, get photos and whatever

1567
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 3: you want with the people that you you know, listen

1568
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 3: to and it's a it's a really good opportunity. And

1569
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,879
Speaker 3: they also have the Clue Awards, which I actually presented

1570
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 3: with the Nightstalker Detective in Las Vegas and you know

1571
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 3: Detective Gill love him, he's part anyway, long story, but

1572
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 3: where we presented for the Best Documentary. So the Clue

1573
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 3: Awards will like, you know, best Forensic Podcast, Best True

1574
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 3: Crime Documentary, Best Investigative Podcast, Best you know, there's different

1575
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 3: categories for podcasters through crime, people, advocates, even.

1576
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 4: Show.

1577
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 2: We've been nominated, well, we've been invited to submit.

1578
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 3: I got an email today actually to.

1579
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 2: Invited to come or invited to submit, invited to submit.

1580
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 3: Podcast and yeah, kind of like you fairly strong, right right,

1581
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 3: there's some paperwork and whatnot, but no, so it's a

1582
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 3: really but it's a three day event. It's a it's

1583
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 3: usually a three day event. And again you know there

1584
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 3: you know how a Coachella there's like four stages, right,

1585
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 3: Like that's how Crimeson is, okay, except for instead of

1586
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 3: rock bands it's true crime stuff and you get to

1587
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 3: choose which one you want to go to and it's

1588
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 3: all day long. When we first heard about it, this

1589
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 3: is a long.

1590
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 2: Time ago, I was like, who would go to crime con?

1591
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean a lot talk about like going to a

1592
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: place and being surrounded by criminals and people that are

1593
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: into serial murders.

1594
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 3: What would go on there? Cut to week go and

1595
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 3: it's like the best but the way it's where we met,

1596
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 3: it is where that's.

1597
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 4: How it is.

1598
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was blessed and like it was Yeah,

1599
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 2: it's like the most normal people are the greatest people

1600
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's like our people, and.

1601
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 6: It's a really joyful atmosphere. Like it's just it's a

1602
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 6: pleasant atmosphere. It was really positive and people, like you said,

1603
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 6: our people people want to like learn and know and

1604
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 6: ask questions and find out and you get to meet people.

1605
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 3: It's I did a whole workshop panel about how to

1606
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 3: do open source investigations and what tools and software to use,

1607
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 3: and I mean there's and oh I went to an

1608
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 3: OWL an OWL workshop o w L for the staircase

1609
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,839
Speaker 3: murder because there's the whole theory that.

1610
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 2: She was killed by OWL.

1611
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 3: The staircase and they had owl workshop real deep. We

1612
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 3: go to the bar a little bit too. It's fun,

1613
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 3: you know, and it also gives it's also a really

1614
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 3: great opportunity for victims to share their stories. Yes, and

1615
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 3: that's really it's like a hug fest. Yeah, and they

1616
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 3: get to share the stories and learn like how like

1617
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 3: coverage of their case affected them, which is so important

1618
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 3: for peddle like us, right, Yeah, to learn and do

1619
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 3: better and need to honor victims, you know, in a

1620
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 3: more meaningful way. And I feel like I'm a salesman

1621
01:24:55,760 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 3: for crime High should make the video. You should make that.

1622
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 3: I actually did make a video for crime Con.

1623
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: Actually they're not pay you enough. And it is like

1624
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 2: listen even I am like, let's go.

1625
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 8: Man.

1626
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 3: If you're listening.

1627
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 2: And there's a Q and A and it's tomorrow, let's.

1628
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 4: Go in Vegas with bars and yeah.

1629
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: So yeah right, I'm already losing my voice just getting

1630
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: excited about it.

1631
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 3: So we need to look at we We don't know

1632
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 3: the answer if we're going to crime Con or not.

1633
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 3: I would love to go to crime Con obviously it's

1634
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 3: here Las Vegas. Talk about it, but we'll talk about it. Yeah,

1635
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's definitely on the agenda.

1636
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 3: If True Crime Tonight does not go to Crime Con,

1637
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 3: Body Moven will be there, okay, But if True Crime

1638
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 3: Tonight does go to Crime Con, Body Moving will be

1639
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 3: there as part as the Charlie's Angels.

1640
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 4: One of the angels.

1641
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 3: As one of the angels.

1642
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 4: At least we get one of them back to the

1643
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 4: Christine and Canada tbd.

1644
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 3: So tbd, but I'll there for sure.

1645
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

1646
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,799
Speaker 4: All right? For now, what do we got more talk pecks.

1647
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 3: Let's right, let's hear it, Hi, ladies.

1648
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,520
Speaker 13: Just wanted to share that I am also an online

1649
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 13: window shopper and I love putting things in my cart

1650
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 13: and body. When you need to enter your cart, you

1651
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 13: can always, especially with Amazon, either save them for later

1652
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 13: or make lists. I love to make lists. I have

1653
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 13: a list for like every single room and every single person,

1654
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 13: and you can just put all of those things that

1655
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 13: you think might be nice to have one day on

1656
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 13: a list, and then go through those lists and then

1657
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 13: decide when you're actually gonna buy it.

1658
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 2: Just a tip, it's so good. And by the way,

1659
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 2: it also can be a little memory lane for your

1660
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 2: doing space when you go down the rabbit hole of

1661
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,879
Speaker 2: all the things in your safe cart that you probably

1662
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: didn't need.

1663
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 3: So a good somebody very close to me is getting

1664
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 3: surgery tomorrow, and I wanted to send her something, you know,

1665
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 3: for her recovery. And I went to my Amazon and

1666
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 3: I had forty two items in my car. And what

1667
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 3: did I do? Safer for later, safe for later, safe later.

1668
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 3: I am a safer later girl. So when you're when

1669
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 3: you were speaking just now about what did I was

1670
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 3: literally cracking up because that's what I do. And I

1671
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 3: also make lists because I'm also an Amazon influencer, so

1672
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 3: I have a ton of lists and it's all you.

1673
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: Know, I never had access that influencer lists. It's I

1674
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 2: get real stuck on that. Like I'm always like I'm

1675
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: on board, and then I can't access the list.

1676
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 3: Is there a trick, Yeah, I'll show you. I'll show you.

1677
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 3: It's easy. Okay, a little tutorial, Yeah, you do a

1678
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 3: little tutorial. But any I had four.

1679
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 2: Amazon boxes arrived today, So somehow, my greatness, I have

1680
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 2: somehow completely dropped the ball. And I apologize to the group.

1681
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I purchased four things. Yeah, I had

1682
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 2: like four boxes. You know, it's silly stuff ruler. You know,

1683
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 2: I do that life.

1684
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 3: And I have like all my all, my all my

1685
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 3: old Lady pills because I'm a senior citizen at this point.

1686
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 3: You know, I had got all my shipment because I

1687
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 3: want to subscribe and save for the Centrum silver for women.

1688
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think those are the ones you

1689
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 3: should be having. I well, I'm fifty now I gotta

1690
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 3: do it.

1691
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 4: I gotta do that.

1692
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 6: I'm so careful with the repeat the subscribe and save,

1693
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 6: and I can tell you and I had some pretty

1694
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 6: firm words with Wade, my husband, because he had accidentally

1695
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 6: had subscribe and save thinking we had a tribe of

1696
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 6: one hundred in our house of I have so many

1697
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:38,919
Speaker 6: bottles of fish oil pills.

1698
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, by the way, we help with the dry eye.

1699
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 3: I like those.

1700
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 6: I'll buy those off it is I can say, I

1701
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 6: can give them to you for free. I've got to

1702
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 6: have a closet full. Yeah, that was a very uncomfortable conversation.

1703
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I'm definitely a safer girl and a

1704
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 3: list girl on Amazon, like for I'm not even kidding

1705
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 3: forty two. I was like, what was I think it's

1706
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 3: like nail polish and.

1707
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 10: It feels like like unfinished business.

1708
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 2: No, I love it because it's a little walk down

1709
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 2: your headspace, like what you were so obsessed with, you

1710
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 2: know one morning that you were like, well maybe I

1711
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 2: do need that, you know, and that you had the

1712
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: wherewithal to walk away.

1713
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's funny, is I sent? I bought

1714
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 3: my item for my friend, and then I went back

1715
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 3: in because I'm like, oh, I need that nail polish.

1716
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 3: I went back into my safe. Can you guys know

1717
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 3: I do my own nails and stuff. And I went

1718
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 3: back in and I was like, I need that nail polish.

1719
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 3: I need this tool, I need this light. And so

1720
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,879
Speaker 3: I ended up buying five more things today.

1721
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 2: When do you do your nails? I'm digressing again. I

1722
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: don't want to on Saturday, Sunday and two days, two days,

1723
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 2: either Saturday or Sunday.

1724
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 3: But I just did like a nude this time. Look nice,

1725
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 3: right nice?

1726
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 4: And they're sharp and you're sharp and long.

1727
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 3: I like the stiletto. I'm a stiletto girl. Listen, if

1728
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 3: I scratch you, I want you to bleed.

1729
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 5: There.

1730
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about merch.

1731
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 4: That's too.

1732
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 3: I want to draw some nail okay, and I've had

1733
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 3: all day to day in the weirdest ways day I know,

1734
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 3: and I was I was manic all day long today.

1735
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 3: I think I sent you guys thirty two emails today.

1736
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 3: But in this case, oh my god, look at this.

1737
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 2: It was like I was man I think.

1738
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 3: It's the energy.

1739
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 2: I think I was the same. I think it's like

1740
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: just like the energy of the earth or something. We

1741
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 2: all have to settle down. It's hard, though, I mean,

1742
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 2: I don't know the prescription for that.

1743
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 3: I don't either, well right now my prescription. I'm obsessed

1744
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 3: with watching parrots, thets, like little talking birds, you know, yeah, yeah,

1745
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 3: like they're so cute and so.

1746
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 2: That's like my specifically, you don't like the little puppies

1747
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: or when they how about that when they're choosing their puppies?

1748
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 2: Those are those videos real where they're not real stuff?

1749
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 3: We know there's a whole row of people that are

1750
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 3: all in the party. Chooses them, he.

1751
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 6: Chooses no so much those are not real?

1752
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 3: Why how do we know they're not real?

1753
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:19,640
Speaker 10: I want to know you have to have a like

1754
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 10: a segment on how I can tell what's fake and

1755
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 10: what's not.

1756
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 4: Because I was body to.

1757
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 2: Give death, I can't know I thought that was real too.

1758
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 4: No, it's getting, it's getting.

1759
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 10: It's getting hard to tell though, Like literally, I feel

1760
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 10: like in the past six months things have gotten like wow,

1761
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 10: I can't tell.

1762
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I'm not convinced.

1763
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 2: There's not a place where I can go and a

1764
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 2: dog will choose me. Is that really not on the

1765
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 2: Is that just like exaggerated or.

1766
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:48,719
Speaker 3: I mean really not true.

1767
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 6: If you go to honestly, if you go to the town,

1768
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 6: like I can tell you one of my dogs chose

1769
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 6: my kid.

1770
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 2: Period the end walked on. It's you know, eight years later.

1771
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 3: So you've ever seen thirty people in a room to

1772
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 3: adopt the dog?

1773
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 2: Ever, I'm so embarrassed.

1774
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 3: I mean, the shelters are overflowing. Do you really think

1775
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 3: there's that many people lined up?

1776
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody had to coordinate that and like there was

1777
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: like a little instead of a party, we'll just have

1778
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 2: the whole town.

1779
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm really nice all these people. I'm telling you, I

1780
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 3: fell for those bunnies on the trampoline. I I have

1781
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 3: a pan. I have like an existential crisis. I was like,

1782
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to get scammed out of money one hundred percent.

1783
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to send me jumping money to the Prince

1784
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 3: of Nigeria.

1785
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 4: Of it day.

1786
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, get an AI video from one of the Yeah, like, hey,

1787
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 10: I just had a problem.

1788
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 4: Wire me this month.

1789
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 3: If I'm in jail, I need thirty six thousand dollars.

1790
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, secret word.

1791
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a secret word.

1792
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 2: And if somebody goes and they call you and they

1793
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 2: print call you, you don't go hello, Hello, Hello, like you're

1794
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 2: supposed to do. They want you to do that so

1795
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 2: they can steal your voice. That's probably oh saying hello

1796
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 2: in a bunch of different ways.

1797
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, are you there? I can hear you don't

1798
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 3: do that. Well, I'm not listen. I'm safe because I

1799
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 3: never answered my phone ever. You're going to right to voicemail,

1800
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 3: text me if it's important. That's not happen.

1801
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 2: You know what not bad words to live by, and

1802
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 2: you are correct.

1803
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is. I mean my phone rings, I like jump,

1804
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 3: like whoa who's calling me? And I'm googling the number

1805
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 3: real quickly. How dare they? My phone?

1806
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 2: Old day is like it's like it's just always buzzying.

1807
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 2: So but like you're right, just like shut it down.

1808
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 2: No texting me, And if you can text it let's

1809
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 2: let's work on thoughts.

1810
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 3: Do your thoughts together, all together, email me all at once.

1811
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,799
Speaker 3: I don't want to have a conversation. I'm done with that, but.

1812
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 2: Let's be real.

1813
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 3: Text is best, Yeah it is. Yeah, I'm gone off

1814
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 3: the rails. I have associated gone off.

1815
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 4: The rails, but it was fun.

1816
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 2: Hearing it all reeled me back in.

1817
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 3: Tahaank you for Oh oh he was not unseen. Him

1818
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 3: was fire. By the way, I don't know what I

1819
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 3: was saying. I was a moss Boys correction, big correction. Yes,

1820
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:27,599
Speaker 3: it's still great.

1821
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 2: It's still you know, a treasure who seems to have

1822
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 2: hit hard times. Listen, we're gonna have Jarrett Farentino tomorrow

1823
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 2: answering all our legal questions. Good night, everybody, Stay safe.