1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Body does, but Joseph's gotten more. I don't know that 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: anyone out there would actually admit to being spoiled when 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: they were a child. You like to think that you 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: weren't spoiled, and I was not spoiled by my mother. However, 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the one person in my life that did spoil me 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: was my grandmother. Her name's Pearl, by the way, if 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: you haven't read my memoir, talk about her a lot, 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,639 Speaker 1: and of course, still to this day, I think that 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: she was an angel on earth. And I hate to 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: tie this back to materialism, but grandmothers are interesting creatures 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: to say, and the reason they are is that if 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: they have a grandchild that they dote upon, and I 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: was the only one at that time, you knew that 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: there was always a trip to the toy store in 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: your future, and for me, the toy store and I'm 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: really going back in time here. The toy store that 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: we always went to was T. 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: G and Y. 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: Many people have never heard that name before. There was 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: also Ben Franklin. There were several of them. These places 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: don't exist anymore, but those trips would consistently end in 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: me reaping the benefit of being spoiled because my grandmother 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: would buy me anything that I'd want off of those shelves, 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: and she didn't have a lot of money. But my 25 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: favorite toy to get was any new toy pistol that 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: they had, and it could be one of those Star 27 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: Trek pistols that she's the little plastic disc. Always dig those. 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: I love those things. You could stack them inside. Look 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: that up if you've never seen it, and of course 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: they will fall back. A cap pistol was always lovely. 31 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: And they did have a semblance back then of these 32 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: guns that would kind of shoot these padded darts, not 33 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: quite as sophisticated as the ones today. Always love those pistols. 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, even as a small child, 35 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: I could feel the weight of it. Didn't feel like 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: the guns that my grandfather had heavy metal. They had 37 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: substance to them today though, I'm going to talk about 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: another gun. I'm going to talk about a gun that 39 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: is essentially made from a type of plastic polymer actually, 40 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: and that weapon, acquired allegedly by one individual and held 41 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: in that individual's hand and used to assassinate an individual 42 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: on the streets of Manhattan, has created let's say, havoc 43 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: around the nation for these past few days. We're going 44 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: to talk about the assassination in the early morning hours 45 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: of CEO Brian Thompson and the alleged perpetrator, Luigi man Jonny. 46 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Backs brother Dave. 47 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: You know, look, we we will catch cases. I'm talking 48 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: to you like I'm talking to a fellow investigator. We've 49 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: said all the time, we caught a case. So but 50 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: for us, in the world that we inhabit, we do 51 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: catch cases that you know, people use term zeitgeist and 52 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: things like that, and this is not a zeitgeist thing. 53 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: It's just whatever's kind of pulsing through the veins of 54 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: the media at any moment in time. But there are 55 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: those cases that, day after day after day, we're going 56 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: to cover him. And when I say we, I mean 57 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: you to a greater extent than I because you are 58 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's right hand man. You're having to put all 59 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: of this stuff together. I just want to add, first off, 60 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I want to check it. Are you okay? All right? 61 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: It's been an exhausting we you know in that You're right, 62 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: we have covered it. 63 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: But I was. 64 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni is a twenty six year old rich kid. 65 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 2: And when you mentioned spoiled, and I thought, I know 66 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: how Joe was spoiled. It was with love and a granny. 67 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: It wasn't spoiled like this guy was spoiled, Although he 68 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: was spoiled with love and a granny too. There's a 69 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: lot of love in the Mangoni household, but there was 70 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: also a lot of money. But his wealth and some 71 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: of the things that he has said in his manifesto 72 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: leads you to believe that he's something other than what 73 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: he is. And I don't know if he is. I 74 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: don't know. We'll find out, But yes, I am pretty 75 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 2: exhausted with this story, and rightly so. How many of 76 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: us today have had issues with health care insurance ever 77 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: since the government got involved? Quick, raise your hands. Everybody has. 78 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: Everybody's premiums have tripled, everybody's cope has tripled. It's ridiculous 79 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: what happens when the government gets involved. And that's all 80 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: I'm going to say about politics from here on out, 81 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: except to say this, Luigi Vanjoni was not a customer. 82 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: He was not insured by United Healthcare. The CEO of 83 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: United Healthcare was Brian Thompson. He'd been with the company 84 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: for over twenty years. Brian Thompson had worked his way 85 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: up in the company, and he was a very wealthy CEO. 86 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: Made a good annual salary, had great annual bonuses, and 87 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: you know what, there might have been some stock shenanigans 88 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: that went on, don't know. I mean, I know what 89 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: I read in Forbes, and I know what I've read, 90 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: but that had nothing to do with what Luigi Manjoni did. 91 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 2: Still got to figure this out. But the one thing 92 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 2: that we do know so far, Luigi Mangoni grew up 93 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: in a very wealthy family. It's a great actually, you know, 94 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: in this day and age where we talk about immigrants 95 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: in our country, a lot of problems we have politically 96 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: illegal immigration. Whenever I look at these great stories of 97 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: immigrants who did it the right way, this is one 98 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: of those stories. Luigiman Joni's grandfather, his name's Nick Nick 99 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: Manjoni was born here. His parents immigrated from Italy, and 100 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 2: Nick Manjoni grew up dirt poor and he made something 101 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: of himself in real estate investment. He ended up buying 102 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: resorts and golf clubs and anything you can imagine. Became 103 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: a very wealthy man. And that extended to his family. 104 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: And now here's Luigi, a third generation American, and he 105 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: goes to the private Gilman School in Baltimore dollars a 106 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: year to go to school there instead of a public school. 107 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: He then goes to University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy League school. 108 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: By the way, not an idiot. The guy was valedictorian 109 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 2: at Gilman and then at UPN. He has two degrees there. 110 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: One is an engineering. He's not an idiot. 111 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, Actually, there's been a little confusion when 112 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: I read. You know how how when you read, if 113 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: you look at individuals that have been agreed, and you know, 114 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: those of us in academia, you always have to include 115 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: your credentials. You know, you always think that there's a 116 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: direct correlation between the number of letters that you have 117 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: after your name and the bleeding of numbers off of 118 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: your IQ. Most of the time, some of the smartest 119 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: people I know don't have college degrees. But with his 120 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: what I read was when you look at his degree, 121 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: one of the ways it was labeled was a b S, 122 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: which generally stands for Bachelor of Science and Engineering, and 123 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: an m s. Which is a Master of Science in Engineering, 124 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: which means that, and I think that his his area 125 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: of study was computer science, so computational engineering or whatever 126 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: whatever they call it, computer computer engineering or whatever it is. 127 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: But he did have like a apparently a fascination like 128 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: AI and you know, kind of creating these alternative universes. 129 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: And how was it. He's like twenty six six, he's 130 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: twenty six and he's still playing. He's still playing with 131 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: cartoon characters on his computer. I saw that one comment, 132 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: you know, that was made out there where he's creating these, 133 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, and I guess that's one of the things 134 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: that you do in AI. And you know, no offense 135 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: people out there that are creating cartoon characters. I guess 136 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: if I could draw bugs money, I would do that 137 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: all the time. But uh, it's just, you know, it's 138 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: just it's an interesting it's kind of an interesting mix, 139 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, in media and in academia, in a lot 140 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: of industries. There's a buzzword out there that you used regularly. 141 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: You may have heard it before, Dave. It's they say 142 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: we're going to silo things now. And what that means 143 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: is that you're taken and you were set apart, and 144 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: you're siloed. Do this life. This dude led a siloed life. 145 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: You know, he's he siloed in on that campus at Penn. Okay, 146 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: he was siloed when he was at the Gilman School. 147 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: I just like the way that rolls off the tome, right, 148 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: Gilman School. You know, it's probably followed, it's preceded by 149 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: the word the you know, the Gilman School and then 150 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: and then Penn. He siloed there, and you know, I 151 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: don't want to go too far down this path. But 152 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, dude, you've got quite an exquisite education. But 153 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: they've correct me. I'm wrong. You boys living in paradise 154 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: part time, right, I mean, he's like he's gone down 155 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: this path where he's living. You had mentioned at the 156 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: other day it was a term I'd never heard before. 157 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: Well, it's like a hippie hot Hawaii commune for those 158 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: who want to surf and look at the sun and 159 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: talk about books. It was a rest area for people 160 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: who are in their twenties. Okay, it's a dorm room 161 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: for people who have graduated college but don't actually have 162 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: to move on with life and earn a living. And 163 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: that's what he had been doing. He'd been in Hawaii 164 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: but before we get too far down the road, on 165 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni. He did go to Hawaii, but he hurt 166 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: his back somewhere along the way. A pinch nerve problem 167 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: is in his lower back rather not his neck his lumbar, 168 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: and he had surgery on his back. Yeah, and that happened, 169 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: and things went downhill for him after the surgery, it 170 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: didn't correct his pain issues. He ended up posting a 171 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: picture on x that or instagram of his X ray 172 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: that showed the bolts that were the screws in his 173 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: neck or back wherever it was. It wasn't his lower 174 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: back right, His. 175 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: Looked like a sacrum lower back. Yeah. 176 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: And so Joe and I both know what back issues 177 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: can do to you. Yeah. 178 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: I was going to mention that I think that you 179 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: and I have that in common, don't. 180 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: And watching this guy and I'm thinking it can it 181 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: can be really, really bad. And so while a lot 182 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: of people immediately hop off of that subject, it's like, 183 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: I think it's important to note that I don't know 184 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: the level of his chronic pain. I don't know what 185 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: medication he's been taking. I don't know, but I will 186 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: tell you take the wrong medications. In the right to 187 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: take care of a problem, and you do start thinking 188 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: wrong and weird, and if you have the intelligence and 189 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: the money, a lot of bad things can happen. This 190 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: guy had gone so off Grid Luigi Manngoni's mother. She 191 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: reported him missing in San Francisco November eighteenth. He had 192 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: not been in communication with any family, friends, or anybody 193 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 2: since June. They were looking for him, and less than 194 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: ten days before he shows up in New York City, 195 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: his mother registers a missing person's thing with police in 196 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 2: San Francisco. So that gives you an idea of this 197 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 2: guy and his family. They were not disconnected, but they 198 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: didn't have the kind of contact one would think. I mean, 199 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: if you don't know where your son is. And by 200 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: the way, they thought he was working for True Car 201 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: in San Francisco, and his mother thought that's why she 202 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: reported him missing in San Francisco. And it was only 203 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: when she got there and they called True Car to 204 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: find out about this guy. Hey, he's been going to 205 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: come to work and like, no, he hadn't been here 206 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 2: since twenty twenty three. She didn't even know he had 207 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: that he didn't work there anymore, and so there was 208 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: a there was a disconnect here with him, his family 209 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 2: and his friends. And you said siloed, meaning being by 210 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: himself and functioning alone. He's been doing a lot of 211 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: that until he showed up at six forty four in 212 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: the morning and pulled out a gun printed on a 213 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: three D and a three D printer. Do you think 214 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: he did that gun shoe? Do you think he printed that? 215 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. There's still a a lot of speculation 216 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: right now. And I, you know, trying to keep up 217 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: with this. First off, to own a three D printer 218 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: that is at this level, I think maybe maybe that's 219 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: not accurate. But in order to facilitate a functional weapon, 220 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: and we can go into this and I will promise, 221 00:13:54,280 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: but you would it's something that would stand out. You 222 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: would have to have a place where you could facilitate 223 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: this and hang on to it and you know, create 224 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: this and many times it's not many times when you 225 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: print these things off. It's I have heard at least 226 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: that sometimes the first time is not the charm. You 227 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: have to work at this to get it right, you know, 228 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: in order to get this thing right, because if you 229 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: have what's referred to as the lower receiver, which in 230 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: this case, the lower if you, if folks at home 231 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: will just just if you think about gripping a pistol. Okay. Now, 232 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: this is on the body frame of a clock, okay, 233 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: which is by nature it's it's the first polymer uh 234 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: weapon that was ever introduced, all right. It's famous for that, 235 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: all right, as an Austrian made weapon. Uh. They're carried 236 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: all over the world. Law enforce agencies all over the 237 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: place carry them, certain military groups carry them. But it 238 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: was like the first polymer weapon, and there was a 239 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: big stink over it. I remember years ago. Well, if 240 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: these people are going to be running around with these 241 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: glocks and they make it through metal detectors, the whole 242 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: weapon is not polymer, all right. And that's where it 243 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: comes in with him, because he would he has created 244 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: apparently allegedly the lower receiver which is the actual grip okay, 245 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: and then the body where the trigger housing is. You 246 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:42,239 Speaker 1: have to go and still purchase after market individual elements 247 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: of this weapon that would fit for the type of weapon. 248 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that this is what it is. 249 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: But let's just take for instance, a glock seventeen. Thelock 250 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: seventeen is an older glock. I've been around for a 251 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: long time, and it's it's chambered in a nine millimeter, 252 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: and we do know that it is a non millimeter 253 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: and so if you take that, you would have to 254 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: go out and buy the metallic slide that goes on 255 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: the top where the guts of the weapon are. The 256 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: charging hand, well, that's an old that's my army self talking. 257 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: That's from back in the day with them sixteen's. But 258 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: the slide itself which you would use to charge the 259 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: weapon in order to ram that round into the chamber. 260 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: And then you have to have the trigger mechanism too, 261 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: that's spot separately, and you have to have the barrel 262 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: that's bought separately. The problem with these weapons for law 263 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: enforcement is that if you when you buy these things, 264 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't have serial numbers on them, none of them. None. 265 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: And that's the big that's the rub. And they're not 266 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: illegal to possess. So if you're trying to track a 267 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: weapon that may have been used in an offense, okay, 268 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to trace it through 269 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: a serial number necessarily because there are no serial numbers 270 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: all right, Because each one of these components is ordered 271 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: and purchased separately. I'm thinking that in the days and 272 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: the weeks to come, we're going to find out more. 273 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: But I think that one of the big tails here, Dave, 274 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: is that And one of the more interesting parts of 275 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: this is that not only did he have a ghost gun, 276 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: as they say, he also had a suppressor as well 277 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: that had been three D modeled and created. And that's 278 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: the rub. He knew that he could go out in 279 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: the early morning hours when New York. If you've ever 280 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: been there at that time of day when it's just 281 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: starting to wake up and I've walked down the streets 282 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: before and the sun hasn't quite made it up yet. 283 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: You can see a lot of vendors that are driving 284 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: around deliveries those sorts of things. You can you can 285 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: hear horns honking in the distance, but you don't hear 286 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: screaming yet and shouting. The city is still asleep. But 287 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: he had this suppressed weapon and he fired it and 288 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: apparently it didn't draw much attention, and of course that 289 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: may have been his goal along, Dave. You know, we've 290 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: don't I don't know if you if you remember this, 291 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: you probably you're going to remember when I say it, 292 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: we've you and I have covered a couple of assassins 293 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: on this on on body backs. Now, there are some 294 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: out there that are in fact murderers that we have covered. 295 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: I guess you could technically call them assassins. And most 296 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: the time when you hear assassin or assassination, it's generally 297 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: it's generally plugged into people like John Wilkes Booth or 298 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald or Brutus which is be a Caesar 299 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: or one of my favorite episodes. Again I'm partial relative 300 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: to Julius Caesar's autopsy, but you know, Dave, they have 301 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: used they have used the term over and over again assassin, 302 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, in this case. And yeah, I guess you 303 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: could say that this is an assassination. However, they're murders 304 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: that take place every day that are actually assassinations. I guess. 305 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: So I think, and this is more rhetorical. I sit 306 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: here and I think, well, what delineas between an assassination 307 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: and a murder. One of the big problems with JFK 308 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: case is that they treated it like it was not 309 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: a murder. They treated as if it was an assassination. 310 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: And of course they took their off the ball with 311 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: the case. I'm hoping that's not going to be the 312 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: case here that you've classified it in some other way 313 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: because the word assassination keeps coming up. Well, yes, it's 314 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: a murder, it's a cold blooded murder. 315 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: I think I have to add myself to the part 316 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 2: of that because I heard it mentioned as an assassination. 317 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: Because the reason is because the person who was murdered 318 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: was the CEO of a company, a company that handles 319 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: insurance for forty nine percent of the American population. So 320 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: this is the CEO of a very powerful, powerful company 321 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: that impacts almost half of our lives. So he is, 322 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: in that regard somebody that would not be just murdered, 323 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 2: but he was taken out for a reason. It was 324 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: like Luigi Mangoni was not just doing it for himself. 325 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: He was doing it for all of you know, mankind 326 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: or whatever. I'm not saying that that was what he 327 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: was thinking. I'm saying that's kind of out of the 328 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 2: way it's been positioned. And when you look at some 329 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 2: of the tracking that's taking place on social media, there 330 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: are people that are already talking about jury nullification. Yeah, 331 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: and it's just beyond the pale. The bottom line is 332 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: Luigi Mangoni is accused of planning the murder of an individual. 333 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: A father, Brian Thompson, married, father of two now. He 334 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: and his wife, Paula had been married for two decades. 335 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: They met in college. They both had similar backgrounds. She 336 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: has been her own career working with physical adjustments of 337 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: individuals and things like that. She's a very educated woman, 338 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: very polished. They have two teenage sons and they were 339 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: going through a separation. They had separated in Minnesota, where 340 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: they lived. The movement of houses was not that great, 341 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: and Brian Thompson was still living close enough to be 342 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: active in his children, again they're teenage boys, but to 343 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: be active in their daily life. But he was in 344 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: New York for a business meeting. You know, it's the 345 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: time of year where you're sharing the financials for your company. 346 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: He was not staying at the hotel that was hosting 347 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: the conference. He was actually staying at another one and 348 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: was walking into that hotel just before seven am to 349 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 2: get ready for the conference. Now, Luigi Manjoni knew what 350 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: the schedule was, and he had to have known that 351 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 2: Brian Thompson was going to be getting there earlier than 352 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: the eight am start of the conference. I think pretty 353 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: much anybody that follows along a person's activities. Would know 354 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: they're not going to show up right at the time 355 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 2: to walk through the door and go on stage, but 356 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: to be. 357 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: There because you know, I have to go to these conferences. 358 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: If you've never been to one of these things. 359 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: You sound disgusted when you say it. 360 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: I find it tedious sometimes. You know, crom CON's one 361 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: thing because there's luck an energy there. You know, when 362 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 1: you go to when you go to anything that's related 363 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: directly related to like a job that you have, like 364 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: academic conferences, there's old friends that you want to see. 365 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: But it's like, Okay, what's the next session going to be? 366 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: And you go to a series of sessions and but 367 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: this is kind of again a siloed event where this 368 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: is for this company, So there's it's not just a 369 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: matter of him being there to be prepped to speak, 370 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: which I think he was. He was one of the 371 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: featured speakers as well he should have been, but it's 372 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: there's also a bit of politicking that's going to go 373 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: on as well. You know, where you get to all 374 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: the division heads or sitting around you drinking coffee or 375 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: eating danish or whatever it is, maybe he's going to 376 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: go in there and eat breakfast. I have no idea, 377 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: And then you know he's going to hit the schedule. 378 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: And of course before you do that, you always go 379 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: in and I know you've seen this, Dave. You know, 380 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: you go in because you've had to prep people for this. 381 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: You go into a big room and you want to 382 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: make sure your av is going to work. They're going 383 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: to test everything, you know, all those sorts of things. 384 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: And maybe maybe that was part of it, maybe just 385 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: going to walk around with the mic, and it's I 386 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: have no idea, but you know you're there for a reason, 387 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: and if you're the boss, you damn world better be 388 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: visible and be at every single thing. Because they're stockholders there. 389 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: They want to know that you have a presence and 390 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: that you're actually invested. And so I think that anybody 391 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: that was looking to do harm to him, Dave, they 392 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: may have an awareness of that. They may know that, Look, 393 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: if if I'm going to destroy this man, he's going 394 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: to have to be here. There will there's a guarantee 395 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: that his presence will be here, you know. And it 396 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: really made me think about when Lennon was killed, you know, 397 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: and you know his assassin. They use the term assassin 398 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: would and remember he you know the infamous photograph of 399 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: him actually handing over the album for him side and 400 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: then he's back there. Yeah, I mean he's back there again. 401 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: So he's kind of casing the joint, if you will, 402 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: and shows it prep. He shows up prep to the 403 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: extent that he had a weapon. But dude, allegedly MANGIONI, 404 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: he didn't just show up with a weapon, man, I 405 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: mean he's got you know, he's got everything that he 406 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: needs at this point in time. There was some question 407 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: if he had layered clothing in order to change clothing, 408 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: you know, to And I've seen this in cases before, 409 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 1: particularly in the drug world, where you will have people 410 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: that are out to kill somebody and they will layer 411 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: clothing on and as they're fleeing, they'll begin to strip 412 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: clothing off and they're throwing it away as they're doing it. 413 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: You see guys that would have jeans on and they 414 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: would strip out and they'd have sweatpants on. Underneath, they'd 415 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: have a bright colored jacket. Because if you can say 416 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: that guy's got an orange I saw him. He had 417 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: an orange shack and on he rips it off and 418 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: he's got like a blue sweatshirt on underneath it. He 419 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: doesn't look anything like that. So at first I'm thinking, well, 420 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: that's what's going on, and he's got this. They made 421 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: a big deal out of this backpack that he had 422 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: as well, and so there's been a lot of thought 423 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: that has gone into this day. 424 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: Well, what we do know is that Luigi Mangioni had 425 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 2: gone by, picked up a bottle of water, cup of coffee, 426 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: a nutrition bar of some kind, and had a cell 427 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 2: phone on him because they found remnants of all of 428 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: these in an alleyway near where he was going to 429 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: take the shot. Now, as Brian Thompson is walking into 430 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: the hotel, I made the mistake of saying he was 431 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 2: killed in broad daylight. And the reason I said broad 432 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 2: daylight is well, the sun wasn't up, it was active, 433 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: busy just before seven am. Say time to me, and 434 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: he was shot in front of people. And I actually 435 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 2: made the comment to somebody they're showing this. I had 436 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 2: never actually seen what we saw when it came to 437 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: the murder of Brian Thompson. 438 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: Where shock It was shocking to me because it and 439 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: now they pulled back on that media has because the 440 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: first day afterwards they played the whole thing. You can 441 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: see this man stumble. 442 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: And my heirst thing was I got to get Joe 443 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: to tell me what happened, because this is the first 444 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: time we're not getting the blurred image. We actually see 445 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 2: him stumble. As you mentioned, he got shot twice. But 446 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: when you see it in real time, Joe, it happened bam, 447 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: bam fast. He's gone, He's falling down and the gun 448 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: is this way, and people. There were so many things 449 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 2: said right away, eyewitness stuff. We had the silencer idea, 450 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 2: then we had the veterinary gun idea, and then came 451 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 2: back to the silencer after he was found. But the 452 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: bottom line is that Luigi Mangioni was lying in wait 453 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: for Brian Thompson. We've had the lying in wait story 454 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: many times with Jared briding income to mind where they lay, yeah, 455 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: and in this case, he knew where Brian Thompson was 456 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: coming from and knew where he was going to go in. 457 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: There's actually another weapon that was involved in this too. 458 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: There were all kinds of people that were out there 459 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: speculating on the fact that this was a World War 460 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: two air special stamped metal weapon. I think the Brits 461 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: had made it a well, what was it called anyway, 462 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: and come back to that. But anyway, it works in 463 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: the same fashion, or it works in the same fashion 464 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: as the vet gun did. But now they're saying it's 465 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: not like the vet gun because that thing you have 466 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: to actually the slide on it and you can see 467 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: him clearing the weapon. And with the vet gun there's 468 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: it's got like a rolling bolt in it where you 469 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: have to literally there's a little knob on the back 470 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: of the scene where you have to spin it around. Well, 471 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: that vet gun evolved from that original suppressed weapon, and 472 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: that thing was all one piece that they had made, 473 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: and they were easy to make, they were cheap to make. 474 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: It was a suppressed weapon. By the way, Just so 475 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: that everybody's listening, I don't like the word silencer because 476 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: there's silencer implies that things are silent, and there is 477 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: no such thing as silentio when it comes to comes 478 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: to a weapon. That's why I stick with suppressor because 479 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: it knocks down the sound, but you'll never get it 480 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: like how many times, Dave, do you remember when we 481 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: were kids and they would always have these in the sixties, 482 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: Remember somebody would you know, put a suppressor on a weapon, 483 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: and you'd hear that little pink sound like that of 484 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: the weapon. Listen, if you've got a suppressed nine milimeter, 485 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: it's not going to go pink like that. It's it'll 486 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: have a more robust sound than that. Okay, it's not 487 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: going to down the sound to that point, but it does. 488 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: It does a couple of interesting things though, when that, 489 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: When anytime you introduce a suppressor into a weapon, first off, 490 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: it can cause you can see you can actually see 491 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: the action of the weapon is affected. And what I 492 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: mean by that when the weapon is discharged, it can't 493 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: compromise the weapon's ability because you have a reduction in 494 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,959 Speaker 1: the power of the weapon because of the suppressor. To 495 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: get the weapon to cycle, so you might have to 496 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: clear it multiple times. Do you see how smooth he 497 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: was with that? By the way, I think he was practiced. 498 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying he's a professional a professional gunner here, 499 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: all right, I'm not saying that, But he knew. I 500 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: think he probably understood the limitations of that weapon because 501 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: and he transitioned. One of the things that you can tell, 502 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: well when you go to the I'm not a good shot, 503 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: and I've had been having a fire weapons since I 504 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: was a kid, uh and certainly qualifying with weapons. I 505 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: was always a bag of nerves. I was never good 506 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: at My eyesight as horrible. So if I just got 507 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: like in the army, I think I got like a marksman. 508 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: I was fine with that. I never had a desire 509 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: to be an expert at anything as an intel guy. 510 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: So it's like I could shoot in the general. Give 511 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: me a shot, you guys, you know. So it was 512 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: like I had I had no desire. I had to 513 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: qualify with my weapon, you know, because at the m's 514 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: office and in the corner's office. In the worlds, we 515 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: all cared weapons. You had to go to qualification, you know, 516 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: twice a year. I was always nervous and so but 517 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 1: you can when you go to a range and you 518 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: see somebody that is very proficient, you know they practice 519 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: with a weapon. There's a silky smoothness to it and 520 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: they never get rattled. And when you watch him shoot. 521 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: One of the big things is when you're talking about 522 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: acquisition of a target, it's called maintaining your site picture. 523 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: So that weapon has no special optics on it. From 524 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: what I can see, like one of those little red 525 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: dot sits on the top of it. It's not. So 526 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: he's using the iron sights that are built into the 527 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: slide of a glock, which on the backside is kind 528 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: of a you or a V shape, you know, kind 529 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: of housing on the back that's on the top, and 530 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: then you'll have a post in the front. Sometimes they're illuminated, 531 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: sometimes they're not. You'll have a little glowing dot and 532 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: you're supposed to create what's called a site picture. Well, 533 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: one of the problems with this is that every time 534 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: a weapon misfires or you have to clear it, you 535 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: have to reacquire your sight picture, and it makes people nervous. 536 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: Particularly I can only imagine I've never had to shoot 537 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: at moving targets like this a human when if you're 538 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: in a rush and you're trying to do this, it 539 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: would make it turns you into Barney five if you're 540 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: fumbling with a weapon all the while, he might not 541 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: completely get it to clear. You can't have what's referred 542 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: to as a stovepipe, where as you're trying to cycle 543 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: through the ejection. The cycling process gets so screwed up. 544 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: First off, this is a three D printed weapon, or 545 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: at least the lower receiver is, and you've got a 546 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: suppressor that has allegedly been three D. There's all kinds 547 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: of catastrophes that could happen here. But Dave, I got 548 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: to tell you, watching the person in that image, I'm 549 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: not saying it's him. I'm not saying it's him, But 550 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: watching that person in that image, he was silky smooth. 551 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he truly was. When you see him try 552 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: to clear that weapon over and over again, and then 553 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: he walks by, he discharges that weapon one more time 554 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: before he disappears off to the left out frame, you know. 555 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: And that's what to me, that's what made it so chilling, 556 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: because you could tell that this person, at least in 557 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: a very broad sess, knew what they were doing. That 558 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: tells me that they've practiced where that weapon. Doesn't mean 559 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: that they're a marksman by any shape, That doesn't mean 560 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: certainly that they're an expert. It just means that they understand. 561 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: They understand what the capabilities are lack of capabilities of 562 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: this thing are. 563 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: So he's able to lie in wait patiently for Brian Thompson. 564 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: As Brian Thompson is coming into the hotel, the accused 565 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni steps out and mentioned this minute ago. It's 566 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: the first time many of us have actually seen what 567 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 2: really happens when someone is shot. Oftentimes it's so blurry, 568 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 2: but we never we just don't usually have this. I 569 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 2: mentioned at some point I felt like we were taking 570 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: part in a snuff film by watching that, and I 571 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: mentioned to a friend of mine that there was some 572 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 2: thought back in the day of the David Berkowitz, the 573 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 2: son of Sam, that they were making snuff films. 574 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: Then I've heard that before, yeah. 575 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 2: And that was my thought with this. A snuff film 576 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 2: is a set up murder to be filmed for people 577 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 2: to get their jollys off. And watching Brian Thompson be 578 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 2: murdered on it just was too much. But I want you, Joe, 579 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: to describe for us what we saw, because to me, 580 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: we get this. We see people in movies and on 581 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 2: TV they get shot and they go falling into a 582 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 2: building or you know, but if you actually watch what 583 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: really takes place, it's different. And watching Brian Thompson's reaction 584 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 2: reactions to being shot, there is a very specific thing 585 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 2: that he is doing physically with the first shot, second shot, 586 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 2: and then he falls and I'm wondering at what point 587 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: or is there a way that you can know what 588 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: was happening to his body internally as this was going 589 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 2: on in a very brief number of seconds that passed. 590 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. Hard, it's kind of hard to to kind of 591 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: sort that. I think there is a graininess that comes 592 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: along with this. I'm grateful that they have it, don't 593 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: get me wrong, but you're not. And even if it 594 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: was h D quality, you know, I think that some 595 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: people think that when an individual shot, you're going to 596 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: have this kind of explosive event that takes place. I 597 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: have work cases day where I've had individuals that have 598 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: been shot through clothing and I had to search to 599 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: find the entrance wound because there's not necessarily going to 600 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: be a copious amount of blood that you're going to see. 601 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: The blood might be all contained within within that element 602 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: of the body, whether it's the thigh, the calf, or 603 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: even the back, but it particularly in the immediate and 604 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: so you get it and depend upon how the person rests. 605 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,959 Speaker 1: I'll give you for example, if someone is shot, say 606 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: in the back of their thighs, so post to your thigh, 607 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: they're hit and let's say the round doesn't exit, okay, 608 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: and they fall down face forward, all right, So they're 609 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: shot in the post here thigh, that blood is not 610 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: going to drain out of that hole or that defect 611 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: like it would if they were face up having been 612 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: shot in the back. You see what I'm saying, and 613 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: the gravity will literally and not to mention Dave, he didn't. 614 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 1: My money is on it. I don't have any proof 615 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: of this. I don't think he died like instantaneously. All right, 616 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,919 Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. I'll couch my bets on that. 617 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I don't necessarily know that he 618 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: died instantaneously. The only wounds that at the time of this, 619 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: of this tape that we know of he shot in 620 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: the leg and he shot in the back is essentially 621 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: And I've heard some people saying back and chest, Well, 622 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: a brief anatomy lesson here your posterior You have a 623 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: posterior chest. So if you place your hands between your 624 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: shoulder blades, you might not be aware of this, but 625 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: in the medical context, that's your posterior chest. Some people say, oh, 626 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: that's my back, It is your back, but we don't 627 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: in anatomical terms, medical terms, they don't refer to that 628 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: as your back, that's your posterior chest. Okay, So if 629 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: he shot in the posterior chest and he goes down 630 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: into a prone position, which means face down I hate 631 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: that term, face down, and it didn't exit out of him, 632 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: then you know you're not going to have like maybe 633 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: necessarily a copious amount of blood at that point. Now, 634 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: once he slipped over and they start CPR on him 635 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: and ems rolls out, you're going to see as they're 636 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: doing chest compressions and all this stuff. But here's the thing, Dave. 637 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: To this point, and I don't know that we will 638 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: get one anytime soon. We don't have our eyes on 639 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: an autopsy report. But what I do know is that 640 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: he was purposed. He showed up. The assassin showed up, 641 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: I'll use that term, with a weapon, a weapon that 642 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: was meant to be concealed, not just visibly, but more 643 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 1: importantly from the report of the sound. And he certainly 644 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: showed up with the right type of ammunition. I'm Joseph 645 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is body backs 646 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 2: Tho