1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're we're extra black today. 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: You just wait and see. We're brown. Oh you are 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: that voice? We're Brown Ambition. 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Hey man, they heard that bass, they heard that baritone, 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: So that's not mandra Hey, Tiffany, how are you? There's 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: some testosterone in the show today. What are we gonna do? 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: I know, so excited y'all. Today we have a very 8 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 2: very special guest. We have been trying to have this 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: gentleman on the show for a minute now, but Covid 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: had other plans for me, for everyone else. But we 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: are so so excited to welcome Drew mccaskell. 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: To Brown Ambition. 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: So let me tell you a little b about Drew 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: before we get into you know, let him and bless 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: him with bless you with his velvety voice. But Drew 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: and why everyone should know about drews. He's a LinkedIn 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: career expert and culture analyst, an inclusion champion, a marketing 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: executive at LinkedIn. Of course, he's a career expert and 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: communications executive. But before LinkedIn, I mean, Drew's career just 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: spans runs the gamut. He most recently was leading d 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,639 Speaker 2: and I Diversity and Inclusion strategy for the global sales, 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: marketing and public Affairs function at Facebook M I've heard 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: of it, and US consumer marketing and global communications at Nilsen, 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: where he also led communications for Nielsen China. And he 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: was named one of PR Week's Top forty under forty 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: PR executives and co authored y'all co authored the award 27 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: winning Diverse Intelligence series on the economic and cultural impact 28 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: of multi cultural consumers. So, without further ado, welcome to 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: the show, Drew. 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 4: Yes, Hey, thank you all for having me. This is amazing. 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 4: I'm loving it. 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: So I have been. 33 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 5: On a shoot so many times, and you guys might 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 5: have heard of at the Karen Hunter show. Karen is 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 5: a girl, and so Jo and I have been guests 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 5: many times and often sometimes we'll be on at the 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 5: same damn time. 38 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: The same damn time, and I love every minute of it. Look, 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 4: not only were we on at the same time, but 40 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 4: my nieces both got your book. 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 42 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 4: I was like, I was like my I was like, y'all, 43 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 4: we got to all get our money right and this 44 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: is this is, this is going to give us the 45 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 4: jump start we need. So I am I am also 46 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 4: a fan, so awesome. 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: Well, I'm really excited. First and foremost, tell people, what 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: does a professional LinkedIn at career expert do? 49 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: Yes, a lot of what I do is sort of 50 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: break down into in the layman's terms, like some of 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: the things how one to effectively use our platform, as 52 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 4: well as to talk a little bit about trends, things 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: that are happening in the marketplace, like for job seekers 54 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 4: that to help you understand. I mean, I lean in 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 4: heavily to having conversations with people who look like me 56 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 4: and kind of helping them decode some of the things 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 4: that are happening in the economy and the job market. 58 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 4: That's sort of like what I've always done, even at 59 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 4: Serious I was culture and economics contributor at Serious XM. 60 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: My strong opinion is that women and people of color 61 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: need to all of us should have a LinkedIn platfor profile. 62 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 4: I don't just say that because I work at the company. 63 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 4: I thought that beforehand, but now I definitely realize that 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: every ten seconds somebody gets a job on LinkedIn, and 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: there's a lot of opportunity for information sharing, and I 66 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 4: truly believe that the people perish for lack of information, 67 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: and when the information is there and free and all 68 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: you have to do is use the tool. I'm like, Yo, 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: that's us, Let's get on it. Because I think about Twitter, 70 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: right like, African Americans in particular, let's talk about black 71 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 4: folks for a second, make up fourteen percent of the population, 72 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 4: but we make up about twenty eight percent of active 73 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 4: conversations on Twitter. Imagine if we over indexed on a 74 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 4: technology tool and platform that was literally created to connect 75 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 4: people to economic opportunity. What that could look like. What 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: if we over indexed in a place where everybody is 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 4: having conversations about economic opportunity, about getting the bag. That's 78 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 4: a whole different way of using your time online. And 79 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 4: part of what I do as a career expert is to, 80 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: you know, I feel like sometimes having a person who 81 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 4: looks like you, who comes from your community, who sounds 82 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 4: like you, who talks like you, giving you that information, 83 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 4: it will oftentimes make people say, oh, Okay, I can 84 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 4: trust this voice. I mean I had I feel like 85 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 4: I've built some credibility long before I came to LinkedIn, 86 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 4: and I think, you know, the mission is good enough 87 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: for me to leverage that credibility to help people understand 88 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 4: the opportunity that it's out there. 89 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about LinkedIn and listen as a current 90 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: coach myself. Just today I had a client and I 91 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: hear this all the time. I'm scared of LinkedIn, like 92 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: or it's not even I'm scared. They first they said 93 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: they hate it. I hate LinkedIn. I don't want to 94 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: be on LinkedIn. My profile is old and dusty. You 95 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: haven't updated it in years. And you know what it's 96 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: at the core of it is LinkedIn sometimes doesn't feel 97 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: like it's for us. So you mentioned like Twitter, you know, 98 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: twenty I didn't realize that stat. That's just you know, 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: black Twitter is so strong. We all know that, but 100 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: I didn't know there was the stat behind it. 101 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: So thank you for that. 102 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: But how can we make what's your take on that? 103 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: Why doesn't LinkedIn feel as free, you know for. 104 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 4: Us to join us on the fair question? Is such 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 4: a fair question. And I think that black folks aren't, 106 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 4: particularly black women are thriving on LinkedIn, particularly black women 107 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: entrepreneurs are thriving on LinkedIn. But I also think that 108 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: we're doing we're doing a little bit better job I 109 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 4: think now and making sure that we have content that 110 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: feels good and it feels like, oh, this is for me. 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 4: One of the reasons why I came on board was 112 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 4: largely to help us reintroduce LinkedIn to consumers who have 113 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 4: felt like, oh, I don't think it's for me. Actually 114 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 4: it is. So I'm having conversations in our community about 115 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: how to use the tool, how to make it less daunting, right, 116 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 4: how to find information that is that's germane to you 117 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: and your experience, and a lot of the things that 118 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 4: we did, Like we just spent all of February and 119 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 4: March doing specific content around entrepreneur black entrepreneurs. Right, black 120 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: folks are black all twelve months, not just February, shout 121 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: out to that. And so in the entire month of March, 122 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: we highlighted and profiled black women entrepreneurs and them telling 123 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 4: their stories and how they found how they found community 124 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: as well as opportunity on the platform. And the more 125 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: that you sort of have those conversations and amplify those conversations, 126 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 4: the more when people come to the platform they start 127 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: to see content that looks familiar. Right, But we also 128 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: wanted to be incredibly useful, and that's a journey, and 129 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 4: it's a journey that I'm excited to be a part 130 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 4: of the leadership on so that people do feel more 131 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: they do feel more connected to the platform. But we 132 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 4: got a lot of work to do and in terms 133 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 4: of that, and you know, there's a lot of investment 134 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: going into that, but it's also around you know, I 135 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: think sometimes career conversations can feel like medicine, right, and 136 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: you know, if you've got you know, a sugary snack 137 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 4: over here and a little bit of medicine over here, 138 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 4: like that sugary you know, Twitter snack. 139 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it may be easier to twitter 140 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: conbos Drew are not appropriate for LinkedIn. 141 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 5: He was like, you can't bring all that ratchet to 142 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 5: LinkedIn and sometimes you do the jobs. 143 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 4: Okay, we have we have we have controls for the chaos, 144 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: right because it is still a professional platform and that's 145 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: what the conversations are about. And I think that's actually 146 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: a good thing. 147 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: Can I ask a question, Drew? 148 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 5: So so I love that you said that black women 149 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 5: and entrepreneurs are thriving on LinkedIn. So if someone's listening, 150 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 5: I would love if can you give some best practices 151 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 5: if you are an entrepreneur, this is the way you 152 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 5: should lean in versus if you you know, are you know, 153 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 5: have a career, you know, and you don't own your 154 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 5: own business. This is the best practices how you can 155 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 5: lean in. Can you like kind of differentiate the best 156 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 5: ways to lean in and those two sides. 157 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, So off top, there's a couple of things that 158 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 4: everyone should just think through. It's like, one, have a 159 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 4: good have a good profile picture, right, Like you don't 160 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 4: have to go out and spend a lot of money 161 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: on headshots, but you probably shouldn't have a beach selfie 162 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 4: on your LinkedIn profile unless you're a surf instructor, right, 163 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 4: And so I would say, have a great have a 164 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 4: great picture so people know that you're a real person. 165 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: Be really keen about what your superpower is and talk 166 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: about your skills and your experience, right, and why what 167 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 4: people need to know about you as a professional. That's 168 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: really really important. Use keywords that are that are really 169 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 4: germane to the work that you do, right, and talk 170 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 4: about your skills. Skills, skills, skills. That's how people find 171 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 4: you is based on skills. Skills are the key to 172 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 4: the algorithm. I will say in addition to that, if 173 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: you're an entrepreneur, say what you're looking for and figure 174 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 4: out who what groups there are that you can join 175 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 4: on the platform. There are lots of groups for entrepreneurs. 176 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 4: If you're an entrepreneur in finance, join the finance groups. 177 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: If you're an entrepreneur and you have a service or 178 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: a business, do all of those things. If you're if 179 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 4: you're a professional looking for a traditional job and you're 180 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 4: actively looking for work, there are a couple of tools. 181 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 4: One that I think is absolutely amazing and it is 182 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 4: called job Alerts. Job Alerts allows you to look for 183 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: a job while you're eating, sleeping, working at your current job. 184 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: Because you set up a profile of the types of 185 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: jobs that you want, the geographies that you're looking at, 186 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: companies that you would like to work for, and as 187 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: soon as a job posts on our platform, and there 188 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 4: are millions of jobs that post on our platform globally, 189 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 4: every day, you get an alert in your email that says, hey, 190 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 4: a job that matches your profile that you set up 191 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: just opened up. Here's how you can now go and 192 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 4: apply for it. And I would say engage. Engage in 193 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 4: terms of finding the people on the platform that are 194 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 4: part of your community and even people that you want 195 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 4: to be a part of your community, particularly if you're 196 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 4: an entrepreneur. I think LinkedIn is a great way for 197 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 4: you to engage with your network, with people who are 198 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: talking about and about the business that you also are about, 199 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: and using the platform as a networking tool is incredibly important. 200 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 4: So if you are if you are a person who's 201 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 4: in that sort of phase of I'm I'm working, but 202 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 4: I'm also an entrepreneur at the same time as many 203 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: of as many folks are in sit in both of 204 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: those categories. Having a service page in addition to your 205 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: LinkedIn profile page that talks about this is my business, 206 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 4: this is my other business that I do, I'm a 207 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 4: freelance writer, or I'm you know, I'm on the speaker circuit, 208 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: and have that connected to your to your profile page 209 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 4: as well. That says that that makes it easy for 210 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 4: people to search for you if they're looking for somebody 211 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 4: with your skill or somebody who does what you do right. 212 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 4: Also if you're looking for if you are a person 213 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: who's looking for a job, LinkedIn has a feature called 214 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 4: open to Work you can turn on. 215 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: People are so scared of that one, Drew. 216 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 4: And so here's I know people are typically scared because 217 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 4: you know, if I'm working at LinkedIn, I don't want 218 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 4: LinkedIn recruiters to see it up open for work, right, Yeah, 219 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 4: but there's also there's a control for that too that 220 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 4: recruiters from the job that you have listed won't necessarily 221 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 4: see that you're open for work, but other recruiters will 222 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: be able to see that you can even if. 223 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: You I didn't realize it. How the way of like 224 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 3: filtering out recruiters from way of. 225 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 4: Filtering that out. I mean, we've heard that before, We've 226 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 4: reacted to that, and we've we've created a solution for that, 227 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 4: and so that says to recruiters, immediately listen. My partner 228 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 4: is in recruiting and his entire team lives by LinkedIn, right, 229 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 4: They use it every single day. That's how they find candidates. 230 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: Particularly if you have on that you're open for work, 231 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 4: you go to the top of the list for when 232 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: recruiters are searching. 233 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 5: Like, I didn't know that there was like a like 234 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 5: a service page. So because I I'm like looking at 235 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 5: my LinkedIn now, I'm like, I mean my pictures all right. 236 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: It's the cover of my book, which will be for 237 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: a while. 238 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 5: But I didn't know I could like a link it 239 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 5: to like, hey, I mean, people reach out like, actually, 240 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 5: I'm looking at my LinkedIn profile and a company has 241 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 5: just reached out because they want to talk about like partnership, 242 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 5: so I do check. I would say weekly give or take, 243 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 5: but I didn't know I could have a service page. 244 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 5: That's pretty cool. I'm definitely gonna like look into it. 245 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 4: I mean someone that if you, hey, here's how you 246 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 4: booked me for speaking engagements, or here's the types of 247 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 4: I help and partner and do these things with with 248 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: you know, internal employee resource groups or things like that, 249 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 4: or I'm open to consulting all of those things. You 250 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: can do that on a on a profile page. And 251 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 4: two you can go to Opportunity dot LinkedIn dot com 252 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 4: and figure out better ways to do all of those things. 253 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 4: Like we know that that it can be a little daunting, 254 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: but opportunity at LinkedIn dot com also helps you look 255 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 4: at these are the top jobs that people are looking 256 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 4: for right now. This is the way that you can 257 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 4: write a really cool bio in that top part right 258 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 4: there that uses the keywords to help people find you. 259 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 5: Hold that thought, drew, because we're going to go to 260 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 5: break and will be right back and pick up with 261 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 5: all this awesomeness. 262 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. 263 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: All right, be a fan. We are back. 264 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: Here's more of our conversation with Drew McCaskill. Can we 265 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: pivot just a little bit and talk about the you know, 266 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: we're coming off of this period where it has felt 267 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: like a job seekers market, you know, the great resignation 268 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: giving way to labor shortages, companies competing more than ever. 269 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: There's something like two jobs for every open job seeker 270 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: right now. That being said, there is obviously a little 271 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: bit of like a cooling off in terms of the 272 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: job market, just a cooling off. I don't want people 273 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: to get like freaked out. I mean, the job's report 274 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: just came out Friday. It's still really strong. It's a 275 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: little bit under what we saw in May, but still 276 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: really strong. And an unemployment it's still so low. But 277 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: you must be getting the same kind of questions I 278 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: get from my coaching clients, which is, you know, do 279 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: I need to change my Do I need to try 280 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: to find a job quicker than I thought? Is it 281 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: going to be really tough to find a job in 282 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: six months? So for job seekers who are maybe a 283 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: little bit anxious about what's happening in the economy, what 284 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: what would you say to them about their hopes for 285 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: finding a better opportunity. 286 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: No pressure, no, no pressure on that. Listen. I don't 287 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 4: have a crystal ball, but I will say that you 288 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 4: can read the tea leaves on what's happening in the 289 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 4: economy right now, right like, let's just let's just be 290 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: real about it. I think that there's going to be 291 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 4: some contraction in the market, and that's you know, that's 292 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: my opinion, not as an economist, but as somebody who 293 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: reads the paper every day, and I think for job seekers, 294 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 4: one of the things that you have to do is 295 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: get really clear about what it is that you want 296 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 4: to do and why is it. Is this the right 297 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 4: time for you to make that move? What are you 298 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: looking for in a new opportunity. You also have to think, 299 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: I've got to now really investigate these companies before I 300 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 4: before I leave the job where I am today and 301 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 4: go work for somewhere new, and I've got to really 302 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: get a good idea of what I'm getting myself into. 303 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 4: I think what we saw a lot in the what 304 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 4: we call the Great Reshuffle, others call the Great Resignation, 305 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 4: is that there was some there was some resignation regret 306 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 4: on a lot of folks. A lot of people boomerang 307 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 4: back to their old jobs if they were if those 308 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: jobs were still available, because they looked at that number, 309 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 4: and they looked at the prospect that they're looked around 310 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: all of their friends were changing jobs, and they thinking, Okay, 311 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 4: well the block is hot, let me go out and 312 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 4: get this additional bag without thinking about the culture. And 313 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 4: so what I would say to job seekers is you've 314 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: got to be really clear about what it is that 315 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 4: you want from work, why you want it, and what 316 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 4: your expectations are, so that when if you do make 317 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 4: the decide to make that move, you know the right 318 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 4: questions to ask. And you need to be asking companies 319 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 4: just as many questions as they're asking you in the 320 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: interview process. Are there people in leadership who look like me? 321 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 4: You know? You know who? Do I know who works there? Right? 322 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 4: Is there someone who works there who has a life 323 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: experience similar to mine? Let me reach out to them 324 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 4: and ask them and ask them about their experience working there, 325 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 4: Like you have to investigate the companies that you're going 326 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 4: to go work for just as much as they're thinking 327 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 4: about you and googling you and all of those things. 328 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 4: And so culture matters. The other thing I would say 329 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 4: is it's still very much an employee marketplace. But I 330 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 4: do think that folks have to we'll see that contraction. 331 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: And so now it is making that decision. Do I 332 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 4: am I looking for more flexibility? Am I looking for 333 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 4: more money? Am I looking for a different a different 334 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 4: role altogether or in a different industry altogether? How and 335 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 4: is there an opportunity for me to make those moves internally? 336 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 4: Because a lot of what companies are saying right now 337 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 4: is my next employee may be my current employee, just 338 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 4: in a different role inside of this organization. A lot 339 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 4: of people leave great companies because they got shitty managers, right, 340 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 4: and so there may be an opportunity to think through 341 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 4: how do I move on from this particular role and 342 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 4: still stay with this company if there's an opportunity in 343 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 4: other places that in that in that world you have 344 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 4: not because you ask not. We have to get really, 345 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 4: really confident in the fact that there's so many more 346 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 4: things that are negotiable now than they've ever been before. 347 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 4: Employees have more voice and more choice than they've literally 348 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: ever had before. There are more platforms for folks to 349 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 4: be vocal about their work experience, and their lived experience, 350 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: and companies are being a lot more mindful of that 351 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 4: now than they've ever been, and they're taking on and 352 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 4: they're taking on a lot more empathy and care than 353 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 4: they've had than they've done before, because now they literally 354 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 4: have to. 355 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: I was going to ask. 356 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 5: That's like a good segue because I was going to ask, 357 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 5: if someone is an employee and kind of looking for 358 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 5: a new place to work, what are some things to 359 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 5: consider as it relates to what's happening right now from 360 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 5: you know roversus wayed to you know, post racial reckoning. 361 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 5: It's funny because I was on a I was on 362 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 5: a call the financial brand, a huge financial brand, and 363 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 5: we're working together, and I was like, can I ask 364 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 5: something candidly? They were like sure. I said, why do 365 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 5: you care about black people? All of a sudden, everybody 366 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 5: was like scr. 367 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: You know. 368 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 5: I was on my Kanye because I was like, what 369 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 5: you're gonna do? You're gonna find another budgetiesta you not. 370 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 5: We're gonna ask these real questions. And plus it was 371 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 5: like the leader on the call, she's a sister, so 372 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 5: she looked at me like, ooh girl, yes I ask. 373 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 5: I was like, so I said, because I remember, like 374 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 5: not less than ten years ago, when I first came 375 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 5: out and I was trying to book things and whatever. 376 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 5: You know, I had to be careful to say women, 377 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 5: you know, because if I said black women, y'all ran off. 378 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 5: And I said, because you're not the only financial brand. 379 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm beating financial brands off with a stick. 380 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 5: I said, they just camped out, you know, in front 381 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 5: of my my budgeteste to port. You know, they don't 382 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 5: even care that I'm working with there, and you know, 383 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 5: with the whomever. They're like, we'll go next. And I'm like, 384 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 5: but why, And then of course it was like the 385 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 5: answer was something to the effect of, like, oh, because 386 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 5: of the racial reckoning, you know, we want to do better. 387 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 5: I said, let's be real, what is the financial benefit 388 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 5: for helping black and brown people? Because you're a company, 389 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 5: you're not I mean you you know, y'all been down bad, 390 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 5: so like like for real, and so if you know, 391 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 5: for folks who are like making decisions now about what 392 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 5: company to work for, what are some things that they 393 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 5: should be looking at as it relates to modern challenges 394 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 5: that that that companies have to have to account for. 395 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that they I think that you're you're 396 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 4: absolutely right, and I think the question that you asked 397 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 4: that organization is spot on, right. But and part of 398 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 4: that is black folks contribute one point one point four 399 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 4: one point five, you know, trillion dollars to the US 400 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 4: economy every year. Right. If black folks, just black folks 401 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 4: were a global economy, we'd be the fifteenth largest GDP 402 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 4: in the world between Spain and Mexico. Is Black America, right, 403 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 4: And so when you put that into context, that's companies 404 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 4: are like, oh wait, well what wa wait a minute, 405 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 4: And black folks, particularly led by black women, are demanding 406 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 4: more of the people that we spend our money with. 407 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 4: That's just point blank period, right. I think that companies 408 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 4: are reckoning with the fact that there's an empathy gap 409 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 4: out there. People are disillusioned with church, they're disillusioned with government. 410 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 4: They've been disappointed with all of these organizations and entities 411 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 4: that have had such huge impacts on their lives, and 412 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 4: they're thinking that the one place where I have some 413 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 4: modicum of influence is now work. And companies are having 414 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 4: to get religion around the fact that people are expecting them, 415 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 4: employees and consumers are expecting them to have some sort 416 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 4: of you know, moral impact, right to be moral actors, 417 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: and that's so new for most companies, and you're now 418 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 4: seeing companies like figuring it out right, Like you see 419 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 4: a lot of companies that are saying, Okay, row has happened. 420 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 4: What can we do for the women at our company? Right? 421 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 4: We can't change the laws in the world, but what 422 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 4: can we do for our folks. Well, what we can 423 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 4: do is that if you need a reproductive health benefit 424 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 4: that you can't get in your state, we're gonna pay 425 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 4: for your travel so that you can get that benefit 426 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 4: and still be able. And we're gonna look out for you. 427 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 4: We're gonna look out for you. Right, you're seeing companies 428 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 4: now say, wait a minute. Black folks have you know, 429 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 4: thirty plus percent more student loan debt than their non 430 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 4: Hispanic white counterparts. It takes them a decade longer to 431 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 4: pay it off. Okay, we can't do anything about whether 432 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: or not the government is going to is going to 433 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 4: write off student loan debt. But for our folks, we're 434 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 4: going to create a student loan debt relief program for 435 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 4: our people when you come work here, right, or we're 436 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 4: going to bring in the budgetista to talk to our 437 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 4: employee resource groups about how to actively pay off student 438 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 4: loan debt or how to use company benefits to do 439 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 4: those things and do those things effectively. And so if 440 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 4: you're a prospective employee, the first thing you got to 441 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: do when I talk about researching companies is in those 442 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 4: interview processes, ask hill, can you give me an idea 443 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 4: of what your black employee resource group does? Or can 444 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 4: you give me an idea of what your pride employee 445 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 4: resource does. If it's just parties and potlucks, then that 446 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 4: might not be That might not be what you need, right. 447 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 4: You might need something bigger than parties and potlucks. And 448 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 4: shout out to the parties and the potlucks because they 449 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 4: breed culture. But you also have to think about how 450 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 4: does this benefit me? Right? Are there people in leadership 451 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 4: who look like me? I've always said that if the 452 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: senior most person in your organization of color in your 453 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: organization is the person, then you probably have a D 454 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 4: and I problem. Right, So you need to look across 455 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 4: and see are there people who are who are in 456 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 4: management and leadership who look like me? Talk to somebody 457 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 4: who else used to work there or who works there currently, 458 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: what is your experience like we have to do peer 459 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 4: to peer mentorship and peer to peer information sharing as 460 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 4: people of color primarily much more so than any other 461 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 4: group because our experience is so differentiated when it comes 462 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 4: to when it comes to being at work. I say 463 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 4: the same thing with people who are part of the 464 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 4: queer community and the LGBTQ plus community, is that the 465 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 4: questions that we have to ask are different, right, and 466 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: what is your commitment to diversity and inclusion? You can 467 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 4: ask that question. Are there any other people of color 468 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 4: who are going to be on my team? You can 469 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 4: ask that question. If those questions make the people that 470 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 4: you're talking to at work uncomfortable, it may be an 471 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 4: uncomfortable environment for you once you get there, right, Like, 472 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 4: lean into the discom for in the beginning so that 473 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 4: you won't have to sit there and be uncomfortable for 474 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 4: the next eighteen months while you're looking for a new job. 475 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that and what you said about confidence. 476 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 2: We have to be confident enough to ask for that. 477 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: And also shout out to the employees who are asking 478 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: their leaders right now the tough questions about what are 479 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: you going to be doing? Are you going to be 480 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: rolling out any benefits you know, similar to XYZ companies 481 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 2: to offer that, like you said, the reproductive care or yeah, 482 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 2: healthcare benefits in other states, and like paying for travel 483 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 2: to get access to those benefits. 484 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: You can do that. You can act right. 485 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: You can raise a hand, you can submit a question, 486 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: you can email the CEO. They got emails too, So. 487 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 4: I raise your hand and say, hey, company leadership, or 488 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 4: hey head of equity and inclusion, or hey senior person 489 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 4: in this organization. I don't feel comfortable as a queer 490 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 4: person for us to have this, to take our company 491 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 4: and our money and to this event in this state 492 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: that is one of the states that has the more 493 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 4: than two hundred and forty pieces of anti gay legislation 494 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 4: in it. Can we have that conversation right? Employees, much 495 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 4: like consumers, have more voice and more choice than they've 496 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 4: ever had before. And I think that a lot of 497 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 4: it is around being able to say. I think that 498 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 4: we've been conditioned to just stay in the pocket, don't 499 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 4: ask too and don't ask any questions, don't do this, 500 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 4: just be happy to be here, and that's it. And 501 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 4: I think that that, particularly for younger professionals, that's not 502 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 4: good enough. Anymore. It is perfectly okay to say this 503 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 4: is good, but I think we can do better. That 504 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 4: is okay to say in this world that this is good, 505 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 4: but I think that we can do better. That's for 506 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 4: your career as well as for just how you move 507 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: through the companies in the spaces where you're where you're working. 508 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love the power of choice that you said, 509 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: Like it's still very much, as I agree, a job 510 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: seekers market, and for our listeners who are largely women 511 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: of color, but for people from the queer community too, 512 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: like yourself and black men. If you are not feeling 513 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: safe where you are, I think the power of this 514 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: moment is that you are able to find a new 515 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: opportunity and you can. There are places that exist where 516 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: Adrian McCaskill can be, you know, an executive and a 517 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: budget neist to can be getting these checks for all 518 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: the monies, you know what I mean? Like, those places 519 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: do exist. Maybe they're harder to find, but they are 520 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: out there, you know. 521 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 5: And even you know, like we just like we'll have 522 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 5: a press release coming out soon. I was like, I'm 523 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 5: committed to providing health care to because my team is 524 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 5: largely women. If you've been denied in your state, you know, 525 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 5: and that comes up for you. And so we've committed, 526 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 5: we said aside a thousand dollars to help with travel 527 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 5: and accommodations, and so all of our employees have access 528 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 5: to that. If you're in a state that does not 529 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 5: provide you with a safe mechanism for not being pregnant anymore, 530 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 5: if that's what you's so desired, so we're like, okay, 531 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 5: you know, and if you're in that state and you've 532 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 5: decided to terminate the pregnancy and you're not able to, well, 533 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 5: we will give you money to be able to safely 534 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 5: come to a place where you can do so. And 535 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 5: so like so don't think like you're listening, you're like, oh, 536 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 5: that's all. It's only these big companies. It's like no 537 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 5: small companies can commit, you know. I asked my CFO. 538 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 5: I said, how much if everybody said yes, you know, 539 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 5: just in case, like, how much can we commix? 540 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to say yes, it's ten thousand dollars 541 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: and everybody says me. I'm like okay, wait a minute. 542 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 5: So, you know, so like she looked at our budget, 543 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 5: it was like she's like, if everybody said yes, we 544 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 5: could comfortably do one thousand dollars per person. I said, Okay, 545 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 5: let's do it. And then next year, you know, as 546 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 5: business does better, we can commit to more. So just 547 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 5: know that you know the same goes through. 548 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: True. The same is true for small businesses as it 549 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: is for a large companies. 550 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 4: And oftentimes it's small businesses, Tiffany like, things are way 551 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 4: more negotiable at small businesses sometimes than they are at 552 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 4: larger corporations. Right. So oftentimes I say this all the 553 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 4: times that we have not because we ask not. We 554 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 4: have been conditioned to have this theory of lack, where 555 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: as many of us are walking around in the face 556 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: of abundance and our eye is not trained to see it. Right. 557 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 4: And so what I say to people all the time 558 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 4: is do not let these jobs steal your edges, your hairline, 559 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 4: if your men steal your joy, right like, because there 560 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 4: is a place out there where you can go to work, 561 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 4: be your authentic self and thrive. You do not have 562 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 4: to just stay somewhere and just try and survive, and 563 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 4: survival is not optimal. We want you to thrive, right 564 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 4: and there are places out there where you can do. 565 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 4: You may have to jump out of that you may 566 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 4: have to jump out of that boat right and try 567 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 4: something that you've never tried before, or get into a 568 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 4: place where you're saying, I'm going to take control of 569 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 4: my career and I'm going to use all of the 570 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 4: tools in my tool belt to do that. But work 571 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 4: is supposed to give you wings, not shackles. The reason 572 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 4: why I go so hard around talking to people about 573 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 4: their power and their choice and their voice is because 574 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 4: work is supposed to give you wings and not shackles. Right, 575 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 4: money is supposed to give you wings and not shackles. 576 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 4: That's the biggest piece of this, right. And so the 577 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 4: reality is that I don't want we've got to speak 578 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 4: abundance into the lives of other people, because I can 579 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 4: tell you that at my grown age, many of my 580 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 4: peers and I'm in my forties, many of my peers 581 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 4: have never had anybody speak abundance over their lives. Professionally. 582 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 4: They've told them about lack, They've told them about limitations, 583 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 4: they told them about well, these are the rules. You 584 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 4: got to follow this right here, and this is what 585 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 4: you got to do, and keep your head down. No, 586 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: you deserve better than that. You're better and bigger than 587 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 4: a job. Right. And so most of what freedom looks 588 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 4: like for many of us who are working, and we're 589 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 4: all working in some way, shape or form, is figuring 590 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 4: out what your mission is, right like, what do you 591 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: what problems do you want to solve in the world, 592 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 4: what's your superpower, how do you use it? And what's 593 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 4: in service to And that sounds lofty, but it makes 594 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 4: all of your decisions so much easier about work and 595 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 4: your jobs. And I say that plural because previous generations 596 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 4: where there was this thing that people just told you, 597 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 4: get that good job and don't do anything to make 598 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 4: them white folks mad at you. Right, yes, and that 599 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 4: is the wrong way to think about any of this. Right, 600 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 4: is your superpowers? Can you can have three or four 601 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 4: jobs if you lean into your mission and your superpower, 602 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 4: if you lean into just I got to do everything 603 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 4: I can to keep this one job. Managers will come 604 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 4: and managers will go. Jobs will come and jobs will go. 605 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 4: Most of the jobs that half of us have, especially 606 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 4: in our twenties and our thirties, our vehicles and not 607 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 4: destinations most of us don't need. There are plenty of 608 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 4: folks in jobs that they really don't need to just 609 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 4: set up shop and stay at that job forever. That 610 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 4: job is probably a vehicle and not a destination, and 611 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 4: we've got to do a mindset shift around it. Because 612 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 4: there is abundance around us, and that's up and down 613 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 4: socioeconomic lines. All that's across the board as it relates 614 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 4: to people who are first line, in frontline workers, as 615 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 4: well as people who are in corporate environments. There's abundance 616 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 4: out there. 617 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: Please pass the plate because I'm ready to put some 618 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: money in it. Like, I feel like I've just. 619 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 3: Been to a career servant. 620 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: My heart is so warm because I agree with like, 621 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: and that's what I preach all the time as professional resilience, 622 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: not job stability and job security. So oh, I feel 623 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: like that's so exciting. I mean, it's great to hear 624 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: it's great to hear that from your perspective, because there's 625 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: people that I think even I can't reach and to 626 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: have like there's there's people who will hear your voice 627 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: and listen, and I hope that they hear that true incredible. 628 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 5: We're all FROs are like, wow, pass the piece and 629 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 5: please turn. 630 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: Well, I guess I mean to wrap up. I think hmm, 631 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,959 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like you're don't set all 632 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: things to wrap up. 633 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 5: Maybe if you can leave, like you know, our listeners 634 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 5: with one piece of efact because I feel like someone 635 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 5: took like one of my friends Lovely she had posted 636 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 5: on insigns she. 637 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: Said, God, if it's the last days, just say it's 638 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: the last days, you know. 639 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 5: Like so sometimes it feels like that, whether it's your career, 640 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 5: your business, or I feel like that it always feels 641 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 5: that the sky is falling down. If you could just 642 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 5: give a piece of advice to our listeners, you know, 643 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 5: whether they own a business, whether they are in their careers, 644 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 5: like you know, as they move forward, because to your point, 645 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 5: there's a lot of people who have not had abundance 646 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 5: spoken over them, like one last piece of advice that, 647 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 5: you know, to give them that little boost, you know, 648 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 5: as they as we navigate, you know, what is likely 649 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 5: going to be a recession or whatever else is coming up. 650 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, the last thing I would say is 651 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 4: what I've learned as a black gay man in corporate 652 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 4: America is that nobody's coming to save you. So and 653 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 4: and there's a freedom that comes from that. It sounds pessimistic, 654 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 4: but there's a freedom that comes from saying that nobody 655 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 4: is coming to save you. And why I think that 656 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 4: that's so important to know is that but there are 657 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 4: things that you that you can do as it relates 658 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 4: to building building your career and building the professional life 659 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 4: that you want. And the first thing is find your flock. 660 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 4: We have this. We've been taught that like there's gonna 661 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 4: be that you can get this mentor or a sponsor, 662 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 4: and somebody in an ivory tower somewhere is going to 663 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 4: come down and anoint you with the knowledge that you 664 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 4: need to take the same career path that they took 665 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 4: when they were your age fifteen twenty years ago and 666 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 4: the world was totally different. Find What I would say 667 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 4: is get find your people right, find a community and 668 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 4: network the hell out of it. I my group chat 669 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 4: has saved my life so many times. And we as 670 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 4: people of color, I think there's a lot of there's 671 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 4: a lot of ego and shame tied up around talking 672 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 4: about money and talking about compensation. We got to disavow 673 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 4: ourselves of that notion. Find people that you can have 674 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 4: real conversations with and you can information share and that 675 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 4: you can talk to about and you can say, did 676 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 4: they give me all of the interns from Howard because 677 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 4: I'm black, or you can say, wait a minute, I 678 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 4: don't know how to I don't know how to negotiate 679 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 4: for equity. Tell me the SKUs again. What should I 680 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 4: be asking for? Is am I asking for enough? All 681 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 4: of those things matter. Peer to peer mentorship will save 682 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 4: your life as a person of color. You just got 683 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 4: to find the right people who are willing to share 684 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 4: information with and you share information back with them. Your network. 685 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 4: That information that comes from your network is amazing. Glean 686 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 4: into it. Don't let the old rules about not talking 687 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 4: about money, or I don't want you to know how 688 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 4: much money I make, or I don't know what the 689 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 4: only want you to want what my offer was, Let 690 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 4: that go. It's not a competition. Community will save you. 691 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 4: The other thing that I would say too is always 692 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 4: be in the market. Always be in the market. You know, 693 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 4: when you are comfortable, that's the best time to still 694 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 4: be looking around to see what your other options and 695 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 4: your other opportunities are. Right, that's when you have the 696 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 4: most power to shift and to change. Because I will 697 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 4: tell you that God will make you so uncomfortable in 698 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 4: comfortable situations that you can't help but move and get 699 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 4: out of that situation so you can go and be 700 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 4: who he called you to be. And I know that 701 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 4: to be a fact. I've lived that myself, and so 702 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 4: I would say, always be in the market, Always be 703 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 4: understanding what you're figuring out, what your value is in 704 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 4: the market. And the last thing I'll say is the 705 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 4: last thing that the ref says to the two fighters 706 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 4: in the ring before they ring that bell, is protect 707 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 4: yourself at all times. And I say that to women, 708 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 4: I say that to queer people. I say that to 709 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 4: people of color. Protect yourself at all times, meaning protect 710 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 4: your peace, protect your integrity, protect you know, the integrity 711 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 4: of your work and your work quality. And don't let 712 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 4: these jobs break you. Don't let them break your spirit. 713 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 4: Don't let the markets break you. Don't let the things 714 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 4: that are going on in the zeitgeist break you. I 715 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 4: said this to like about a year ago. I said, 716 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 4: White America discovered that racism is real and that June 717 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 4: tenth exists, right. And what I said to my what 718 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 4: I said to my black friends and colleagues all the time, 719 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 4: is like, you do know that if somebody walks up 720 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 4: to you and ask you to explain racism and the 721 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 4: history of racism and all of that to them at 722 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 4: that particular moment. You don't have to get involved in that, right, Like, 723 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 4: there's all of these things that I say about protecting 724 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 4: your piece, whether it's at work or in any other place. 725 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 4: And that's also like taking a break when you need it, 726 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 4: asking for help when you need it. Like, don't you know, 727 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 4: we did a survey around queer professionals and like fifty 728 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 4: six percent of them say that that all of the 729 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,439 Speaker 4: anti gay legislation and the stuff that was happening in government, right, 730 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 4: the stuff that was happening around them was giving them 731 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 4: was causing them to have mental health issues. That's over half, right, 732 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 4: And so we don't have the luxury of not of 733 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 4: being able to turn off the world just because we 734 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 4: got to get up and go to work at nine 735 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 4: o'clock tomorrow, Right, we don't have that luxury. I still 736 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 4: am a black man when I get up and go 737 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 4: to work and do all those things, and when I'm 738 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 4: driving to work, you know, I also have in the 739 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 4: back of my head that one in one thousand black 740 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 4: men will be killed by law enforcement in this country. Right, 741 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 4: I still have to go to work and do all 742 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 4: the things and So what I say is like, protect 743 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 4: yourself at all times, meaning like give yourself space for peace, 744 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 4: whatever that means, even if that means looking for a 745 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 4: new gig, even if that means taking some time off, 746 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 4: even if that means saying, you know, I'm excited that 747 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 4: you want to have that conversation. I wish more people 748 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 4: outside of the black community were interested in learning. I 749 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 4: applaud you in doing that. I'm just not the right 750 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 4: person to help you with it. You know what I'm saying, 751 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 4: find your flock, always be in the market, and protect 752 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 4: yourself at all times. 753 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Drew. That was awesome. 754 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 2: Drewe mccaskell, Thank you so much for joining bran Ambish. 755 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 2: I feel like I can listen to you. 756 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 3: Talk all day. 757 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 2: If you guys want to find out more about Drew, 758 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 2: please go follow him immediately on LinkedIn. Right now, we'll 759 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 2: post a link to his profile in the show notes. Drew, 760 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining BA. 761 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. 762 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 4: Thanks find you? 763 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: Are you the on you on the instagrams? 764 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 4: I am on the twitters. You can find at Drew 765 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 4: McCaskill on Twitter. I talk about career stuff as well 766 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 4: as my favorite TV shows in politics. So be If 767 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 4: you go follow me, just be ready because it's not 768 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 4: all about it's not all professional Drew, So just know 769 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 4: that my professional insta is at Drew mccaskell. You can 770 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,439 Speaker 4: follow me there, but it's all work stuff. Thank you, Drew, 771 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 4: Thank y'all, Thanks for having me all right. 772 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 3: Bye bye, hey ba fan. 773 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 2: We could not do this show without your support or 774 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 2: the support of our team behind the scenes. The Brown 775 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 2: Emission Podcast is produced by Cumulus Podcast Network. It's edited 776 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 2: by the wonderful Emani Crosby and produced by Tanya Bustos. 777 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 3: Dennis Stimplinsky is 778 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 2: Our in house tech guru, and I am Bandy Woodrif 779 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 2: Santos your co host, and I will see y'all next week.