Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if we were all going to be
Speaker 1: on this podcast together. If the deep breaths and the
Speaker 1: out of breath breath, I'm so everyone's just take I
Speaker 1: felt better if you're driving, if you are wherever you're at.
Speaker 1: Did everyone just take a big deep breath on the
Speaker 1: counter three? Yeah? Always did it my head. I have
Speaker 1: to say that I never am excited when anyone is
Speaker 1: dressed out. I don't like anyone to feel that way,
Speaker 1: But in today, I didn't want to feel alone in it.
Speaker 1: So I'm a little relieved that we're all on the
Speaker 1: same page, the best page. Well it's it's funny, I'm
Speaker 1: not funny. But I got a text from KB saying
Speaker 1: that she was struggling, and I was like, oh, what so,
Speaker 1: but she never responded back, so didn't know if she
Speaker 1: was going to be on the podcast. And then, um,
Speaker 1: today is Mike's you know, turned to have the kids,
Speaker 1: and so he's at work, and so his uh because
Speaker 1: there was no school today, So that also adds the
Speaker 1: layer of like, well I have work to do today too,
Speaker 1: you know, and so uh like, and so I had
Speaker 1: asked that his parents were towns. I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you I thought what I what I thought I
Speaker 1: said in my brain was I'm recording at ten and
Speaker 1: I know I said ten, but I think he heard
Speaker 1: around ten or maybe I did say around ten. And
Speaker 1: so when I was like when your parents coming, it
Speaker 1: was like ten thirty, I'm like no, no no, no, like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the middle of talking to Stephen
Speaker 1: COLLETI at ten, you know, ten thirty, like we gotta
Speaker 1: and so then I start to get I got frustrated,
Speaker 1: and um, I end up having to apologize. But sometimes
Speaker 1: it was ended up being a decent conversation because if
Speaker 1: I'm like, having seventy is a lot, and sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel like frustrated at times when I'm overworked and overtired,
Speaker 1: and it just all kind of falls on and like
Speaker 1: he's you know, So it was ended up, but I
Speaker 1: was like, my frustration should not have been taken out
Speaker 1: on you. So I'm sorry, that's good. Yeah, I'll let
Speaker 1: you know when I apologize. Okay, well then let's throw
Speaker 1: the let's throw o what in the heart of Florida.
Speaker 1: I'm walking said door over there so that you guys
Speaker 1: don't see the absolute s h I t show that's
Speaker 1: going in and on because I requested sixty minutes of
Speaker 1: silence in a home and I can't get it. I
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of circus is going on behind me.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I will just turn the camera
Speaker 1: and I'll let you know when I apologize. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't hold anyone's breath. Who do we need to apologize to?
Speaker 1: I don't know because I'm just not in apologizing. Name
Speaker 1: one person I should apologize that one? Well it's you know,
Speaker 1: oh the lightest one. There you go. It was it
Speaker 1: was something like in a way like I was able
Speaker 1: to because something was said that I go. I go.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just don't think I go. And it was
Speaker 1: like once I apologize, I was like, can I express
Speaker 1: my maybe frustration? He was like, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: thank you for apologizing. I said, you know there will
Speaker 1: be comments of like, well, how didn't you know that
Speaker 1: this was going on? Or like let's say there was
Speaker 1: like this news article and I'm like, because I don't
Speaker 1: have time to I'm like when of the kids go
Speaker 1: to bed, I'm like, I have the kids seventy all
Speaker 1: the time. I don't have time to like look at
Speaker 1: things or do things or like did he ask you
Speaker 1: how you don't know? Like there was something there was
Speaker 1: some article or whatever and or something I don't know,
Speaker 1: some movie that came out or it was like something.
Speaker 1: I was like, I know, I don't know. I'm like
Speaker 1: I I'm busy, and he's like, well, so am I.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, uh, it's it's hard for me
Speaker 1: because I'm like that's you know, with the kids. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't sometimes I feel like, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: he goes right like two weeks in the month with that,
Speaker 1: Like it's not fifty fifty right. So this is another
Speaker 1: thing too. I'm I just gonna say this because it's
Speaker 1: I've been getting like a lot of mom hate recently
Speaker 1: about me traveling to England and places because do I
Speaker 1: ever see my kids? And I'm like, I don't have
Speaker 1: the typical fifty fifty week on week off right, like
Speaker 1: it is, uh, you know, every Wednesday and then every
Speaker 1: Friday Saturday. But I've been recently being like, hey, like
Speaker 1: Jace even mentions like when he doesn't see you for
Speaker 1: two weeks out of the month, it's those weeks are
Speaker 1: hard for him. So do you can I add a
Speaker 1: few days so that I can also have a break
Speaker 1: and maybe take a week to myself, because I would
Speaker 1: love to know what a week feels like to not have,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's also whatever. And so you know,
Speaker 1: so this month he's letting me have not letting me,
Speaker 1: but he's been able to work in a schedule to
Speaker 1: let me have a week off, right, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be nice to have that time too. So
Speaker 1: but sometimes when I don't feel like I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't have anyone to say like, good job, you're doing
Speaker 1: a great job. I get online hater saying I'm not
Speaker 1: you know, I'm being and not making time for the kids.
Speaker 1: And then I have no one, like I don't have
Speaker 1: a partner being like you're doing a great job. Like
Speaker 1: my boyfriend says it to me, is like you're such
Speaker 1: a great mom, and it's so sweet. And then I'm
Speaker 1: also like, but I still you don't do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say, Like, I just don't feel
Speaker 1: like I need to freaking crown or pat on the back,
Speaker 1: but I also like some appreciation to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I appreciate all the work you do. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but that's because I shouldn't because you'r mom so well. Also,
Speaker 1: I just don't think you're gonna get it from him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and that's probably where you're seeking it. It is
Speaker 1: in a weird way. I'm gonna get it like in
Speaker 1: this kind of like weird like I just want you
Speaker 1: to acknowledge, like you only have thirty or whatever percent
Speaker 1: of the time, but you're doing a great job. And
Speaker 1: I just don't think you're gonna get Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: only have let me put myself mathematics, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, right, But I think that's where you're seeking
Speaker 1: it is from him, and you're just not going to
Speaker 1: get it from him. And that's things on this one.
Speaker 1: My therapist tells me all the time, you cannot go
Speaker 1: to the hardware store for bread lots the same therapist
Speaker 1: because you told me milk. So yeah, I have a
Speaker 1: dairy intolerance along with a lot of other intolerances today.
Speaker 1: So and the other thing I think that I I
Speaker 1: struggled with when I became a state at home mom
Speaker 1: is that And I think a lot of moms feel
Speaker 1: this way, even if you're not a state at home mom.
Speaker 1: But like there's no like annual review for us. There's
Speaker 1: no like hauling you into the office and tell you
Speaker 1: all the great things you've done or just how you're
Speaker 1: nailing it. I mean you can kind of. You have
Speaker 1: to find your winds kind of disguised and a little
Speaker 1: you have to dust them off sometimes to be able
Speaker 1: to see them. And it just feels like a little
Speaker 1: defeating sometimes because you're clients aren't the most grateful, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like they won't see it until they
Speaker 1: were like twenties to be like, wow, mom, thanks for
Speaker 1: everything with it. You know, they're better see it in
Speaker 1: their twenties better. I'm they may not. They may not.
Speaker 1: They may be in therapy complaining about us. I don't
Speaker 1: know therapy for opposite reasons of me. They're going to
Speaker 1: be in therapy because I smother them and I breathe
Speaker 1: their air every five seconds. We're doing the best we can.
Speaker 1: I will say that my ex he did say, like, Janna,
Speaker 1: even if like you did, He's like, I know how
Speaker 1: you operate. Even if you did have the time off.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're still going to be working really hard.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, So it's like I think it eventually,
Speaker 1: like he was able to acknowledge and like see and
Speaker 1: then he's like I'm trying to be He's like, I
Speaker 1: would like to be helpful, and I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: do offer. It's just schedules are always so hard, you know,
Speaker 1: so but hopefully we'll get into some kind of rhythm.
Speaker 1: And I just but that really bummed me out because
Speaker 1: I'm like a lot of the comments that I was
Speaker 1: reading is like when would because I'm almost afraid to
Speaker 1: post when I'm in England because I'm afraid of like
Speaker 1: the shamers to be like, oh there she is again,
Speaker 1: not with her kids. I'm like that if I had
Speaker 1: a week on week off schedule like most families or something.
Speaker 1: Not most, but like a lot of people at fifty fifty,
Speaker 1: like they're not getting shame for going away. No, no,
Speaker 1: And here's the deal, you're just I mean that it's
Speaker 1: they're going to complain about something. But it's the it's
Speaker 1: the moms and the women complaining to It's not a man,
Speaker 1: do mean this. It's because they are jealous of the
Speaker 1: fact that they can't do that. Now you do have
Speaker 1: the means, so how can they don't say to the guys,
Speaker 1: you only had to kiss of the time, it's reflecting themselves.
Speaker 1: It's just reflecting. So with all the time they spend
Speaker 1: hating on you online, they could get a hobby or
Speaker 1: take a trip. Yeah. Well, I mean like I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, I'm keeping things more private, even
Speaker 1: though hilarious the message that christ And sent me the
Speaker 1: other day or us too on h on our group chat,
Speaker 1: She's like, wait, what did you say? You're like, I
Speaker 1: can't breathe, it's out. What happened? Oh no, At first
Speaker 1: I tested the accuracy and the I was actually just
Speaker 1: testing to make sure the group chat worked because it
Speaker 1: was there was no group chat happening. It was silent.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, and I haven't been
Speaker 1: scrolling on Instagram as part of my way of caring
Speaker 1: for myself, and all of a sudden, I see that
Speaker 1: we've gone public, and I was like, just first, let
Speaker 1: me just test and see if the group chat works,
Speaker 1: because I think I've missed several things. You know, how
Speaker 1: I found wait, how did you find found out? From
Speaker 1: getting tagged from someone that was like did you know?
Speaker 1: And I was like, well I do, now I had
Speaker 1: no idea. Well, I figured it's the last podcast we
Speaker 1: mentioned his name, so the I'm like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: screw it. Like he was in town for those sweet
Speaker 1: twenty something hours and then we went to the One hotel,
Speaker 1: which is you know, where we had our first date,
Speaker 1: and so I said it would kind of be cute too.
Speaker 1: It was cute, snap a little pie. I was so
Speaker 1: speaking of though, And no, we did not meet on Riyah.
Speaker 1: Can I just clear that one off right now? We
Speaker 1: did not meet on Riya? So what is? Can you
Speaker 1: clarify what Riot is? For people that don't know what
Speaker 1: Riot is? What is but Ryan? I know? But outside
Speaker 1: of our world, not a lot of people know about.
Speaker 1: Is like a celebrity slash friends of coolish job dating app.
Speaker 1: So it some you know, I've seen a bunch of
Speaker 1: people on there that you know, our actors and musicians
Speaker 1: and but he and athlete athletes. He was not. We
Speaker 1: did not meet on Riyah. I have so much to
Speaker 1: say about all of that. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, how does this stuff people just
Speaker 1: assume that, like we put that stuff out there, and
Speaker 1: it's just infuriating to me. It's just just so fresh
Speaker 1: and I like your mood today, I'm kind of feisty today,
Speaker 1: I'd no, I don't know. I'm just like over that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm over that narrative that we just like
Speaker 1: let's just throw it out there to all the stupid
Speaker 1: tabloids that I mean, it's not even like news like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like Ellen's coming in town, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just silly to me. But I
Speaker 1: was coming to church. I did sweet boy. I didn't
Speaker 1: get to like talk to him much boy church, but
Speaker 1: man was chilly, and I thought you were going to
Speaker 1: comment on it because he was wearing a turtle neck
Speaker 1: because he always has a turtle mick on whenever he
Speaker 1: talks to KB. I feel like I've only seen I
Speaker 1: love a man um So how did you do then?
Speaker 1: With like the window after posting? Honestly, haven't even looked.
Speaker 1: Don't care, Oh good God, don't care at all. Good
Speaker 1: for you. The only thing that bothers me is when
Speaker 1: people now at the moment is when they attack my motherhood.
Speaker 1: Or that's why I'm like, yeah, I'm going to England
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm taking a week out of this month.
Speaker 1: Like that's something that my ex and I discuss, like, hey,
Speaker 1: can I have a week somewhere to be able to
Speaker 1: have time to go over there. Um and you know,
Speaker 1: uh and just have some time and uh so yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but I feel almost guilty to say that I'm there,
Speaker 1: Like genuinely was thinking, like, Okay, I don't want to
Speaker 1: post it because I don't want people to think that
Speaker 1: I'm not with my kids. Yeah are terrible. You're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to live your life. Oh I am, and
Speaker 1: you and their dad has them, You gave them, gave
Speaker 1: him that option. It's not even yeah. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: the thing. I'm like, they think I'm withholding too. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I've I always offer. That's the it's in the contract.
Speaker 1: You have to it's first fail. So you know, they
Speaker 1: think that you don't. That's and I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: but you know, I do feel like we're at least
Speaker 1: on a really good um. Him and I are really
Speaker 1: doing a good job of co parenting. Sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: hard having that when one parent has more of the
Speaker 1: responsibility and the pressure and the workload. It's it can
Speaker 1: be I have a hard time when something that triggers
Speaker 1: me to not be like, you have no idea what
Speaker 1: I'm like do you have no idea what I'm like doing?
Speaker 1: And like how hard? Like you know? So it's I
Speaker 1: have to balance that, which I then called them was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's not I don't need to be saying
Speaker 1: that to you. That's not that's not yours to hear anymore. Yeah, Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back to I want
Speaker 1: to go back, like way back, like the hills, Laguna
Speaker 1: Beach back. Yes, and we have Steven Clutty in the
Speaker 1: waiting room, so let's take a break and then get
Speaker 1: him on. Oh so excited to have Stephen Clutty on
Speaker 1: Wine Downy back to the back to the beach, babe.
Speaker 1: What's so it's like the opposite of winding down in
Speaker 1: the afternoon. I want the audience to know that it
Speaker 1: is in the morning here in Los Angeles, rising and
Speaker 1: shining for the Wine Down podcast. And um, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: expecting some sort of a delivery, a door dash of
Speaker 1: maybe a bloody Mary or something. What do you guys
Speaker 1: got coming for me? I'm a child myself. That's that's enough.
Speaker 1: Do you want How old are you? How old are you? Stephen?
Speaker 1: I am thirty six. I turned thirty seven in a
Speaker 1: week depending on when this comes out February seven, then
Speaker 1: we're thirty seven. I feel like you're always going to
Speaker 1: be twenty six or twenty because when did we do one? Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're always going to be twenty four
Speaker 1: to me? Oh, I mean yeah, I um, I feel
Speaker 1: you know, I think I feel somewhere in my my
Speaker 1: late twenties. Yeah, well we'll say that I hopefully. But um,
Speaker 1: I love that you you know, I feel that that
Speaker 1: I'm definitely for much more immature for my age. No,
Speaker 1: you just you haven't aged a second. I mean you
Speaker 1: still look exactly how you were, very kind of you.
Speaker 1: You see how we want to say it back because
Speaker 1: I have definitely aged you still like three. Okay, So
Speaker 1: whose whose idea was it to do back to the
Speaker 1: beach with you and Kristin. Well, it's something I wanted
Speaker 1: to do for a while. It's something that um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought about. Um. I think the first time I
Speaker 1: talked about it actually with with MTV was in in
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. Um, I brought it up in just
Speaker 1: a general meeting with them about some things, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think from there um and it had just been
Speaker 1: you know, it's been circling my mind for a while,
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, entering the podcast space was
Speaker 1: something that was interested in doing. And really, I think
Speaker 1: the only thing people would care about what I had
Speaker 1: to say was was my experience on that show, um
Speaker 1: or at least be the more you know, worthwhile for them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's it was. It was mine from the jump.
Speaker 1: And um yeah after you know, we did a little
Speaker 1: reunion with some of the cast Forget Out the Vote
Speaker 1: Back and let's see how that was a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago now, um, and that was you know, we
Speaker 1: had a great experience to everybody, and and you know,
Speaker 1: we we never really got together and spoke about everything,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, we we felt like after that, everyone
Speaker 1: was like, we gotta get together and do that again
Speaker 1: or all be in the same place. And and so
Speaker 1: I felt like, um, you know, this space was was
Speaker 1: a good spot for that. So I know, obviously you
Speaker 1: were in high school when you were doing Laguna Beach
Speaker 1: and when I were talking to Audrina a lot of
Speaker 1: things and she's like, I wish I would have had
Speaker 1: more of a voice, um with how maybe the producers
Speaker 1: would have um asked me to do certain things where
Speaker 1: I felt kind of like not forced in a way
Speaker 1: to like to to to do to do X, and um,
Speaker 1: maybe that she wishes that she could kind of go
Speaker 1: back and have more of a voice is or something
Speaker 1: where I obviously I know you're not a big regret person,
Speaker 1: but is there something where you were like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: wish I could have maybe done this differently. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there's there's there's a lot if you look at
Speaker 1: I mean, what were you doing in high school, Like,
Speaker 1: do you look back on some of the things that
Speaker 1: you're doing and going like, oh man, I wish I
Speaker 1: handled that differently. You know, there's there's a lot. I
Speaker 1: mean I think that, um, we truly underestimated the power
Speaker 1: of what the editing was going to be with the
Speaker 1: show and how the storylines can really be carved into
Speaker 1: what the editors and producers desired. I think it was
Speaker 1: just so naive back then. Um, and they recorded so
Speaker 1: many hours of us Like I mean, it wasn't an
Speaker 1: everyday deal, but they just had so much footage and
Speaker 1: you really didn't know until the show came out, so
Speaker 1: by that point it was it was too late. But
Speaker 1: you know, I look back at a few times, especially
Speaker 1: watching the show you see times were clearly I've been
Speaker 1: drinking and I'm drunk, and it's like you you like
Speaker 1: that on camera. It's not that's that's not you know,
Speaker 1: um classy in any way, not attractive at all. And
Speaker 1: and it's cringe e to watch, especially when you're an
Speaker 1: eighteen year old kid and just the things that come
Speaker 1: flying out of your mouth at that age. And and yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, I look back at some
Speaker 1: moments like that when I tell people, you know, if
Speaker 1: they're ever gonna get on the reality show, you know,
Speaker 1: you just just be careful with monitoring the intake there.
Speaker 1: H Do you feel like the producer you guys then
Speaker 1: got like taking advantage of them with that situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I look, we were I take responsibility for my actions. Um,
Speaker 1: you know everything I did at that age. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I I I could only put it there. But look,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's something where you know when um,
Speaker 1: if if you look at a lot of shows in
Speaker 1: reality TV now, I think that those moments where you
Speaker 1: know the producers are hoping it's going to kind of
Speaker 1: go there, they never put us in those positions, those
Speaker 1: positions and tried to encourage it on us. In fact,
Speaker 1: that they did the opposite over there. They you know,
Speaker 1: they told us that that we couldn't drink. Now, um,
Speaker 1: you know, were they gonna enforce it? No what I
Speaker 1: have and if I was in their position, no, trying
Speaker 1: to make a TV show and they know what gets
Speaker 1: good stuff. Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, the
Speaker 1: show that they created in the environment for us to
Speaker 1: kind of live and um, you know, be kids, was
Speaker 1: was always a comfortable one. The one that you know,
Speaker 1: we enjoyed the crew. The crew was amazing, and the
Speaker 1: people we were on the show with we really had
Speaker 1: a great time with. But um, you know, you look
Speaker 1: back hindsight obviously here on on a lot of okay,
Speaker 1: what I could have done differently, and maybe you know,
Speaker 1: they were definitely situations where I'm sure you know, gave
Speaker 1: him the truth. Serum. They were hoping that like on
Speaker 1: these nights, the kids were gonna partake a little bit
Speaker 1: and have a little fun and let loose and that
Speaker 1: will make for some juicy TV. And sure enough it happened.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, I signed up
Speaker 1: to be on the show, So I know, I couldn't
Speaker 1: even imagine though looking back on our our real high school,
Speaker 1: high school, real you know, and then to have that
Speaker 1: then to have to go back and watch it. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing that I love about doing it now, for
Speaker 1: so many years that show was in a very weird
Speaker 1: place in my life. Um. It's just again the shock
Speaker 1: of when it came out and what it was and
Speaker 1: what they were highlighting and the pieces that they use,
Speaker 1: especially back then when you know, every the episodes are
Speaker 1: twenty two and it's and they have to jam that
Speaker 1: stuff in. So they're just like, it's just what are like,
Speaker 1: what's the stuff that's gonna you know, it's catched the
Speaker 1: most eyeballs and be the most the shock value of course, um,
Speaker 1: and so all that's that's the stuff that's making it in. UM.
Speaker 1: So you know, for years after that, it was just
Speaker 1: you know, in denial that the thing basically existed, you know,
Speaker 1: a very odd relationship with it all, and thought it
Speaker 1: was silly to get the attention, um for for just
Speaker 1: like being a bunch of knuckleheads at that at that
Speaker 1: time in our life, you know. Um. But the great
Speaker 1: thing about getting older and you know, maturing and reflecting
Speaker 1: on on times in your life. I you know, I
Speaker 1: look back at it now and I'm able to, you know,
Speaker 1: have a laugh and and um be very thankful and
Speaker 1: grateful that we've we've made it this far and we're
Speaker 1: not at that point in our life anymore. And we've
Speaker 1: grown up a lot, so you know, it's it's an
Speaker 1: interesting little reminder of maybe how far we've come and
Speaker 1: and um, how much I had to learn at an
Speaker 1: age when you really thought you had you had it
Speaker 1: all kind of figured out, right. I mean I thought
Speaker 1: I had it all figured out at twenty six. You
Speaker 1: know it's like you still every kind of like ten
Speaker 1: years and like definitely didn't have figure out of eighteen,
Speaker 1: not at twenty. It's like we're always growing, We're always learning,
Speaker 1: no matter what age we are, we're still figuring it out.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I was, I think, Um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was Uh, I was running around
Speaker 1: like almost with an air of invincibility. You know. It's
Speaker 1: the responsibility at that age is low, right, and um,
Speaker 1: you know it's just I feel like somebody said to
Speaker 1: me at one point when I was younger, you enjoy
Speaker 1: this time of your life because it's when you know
Speaker 1: you're going to have the most fun that your responsibilities
Speaker 1: low take advantage of this time. And I took that
Speaker 1: to heart, and I through caution into the wind quite
Speaker 1: a bit, and and and let loose at that point
Speaker 1: in my life. And um, you know it's I'm I'm
Speaker 1: having much more fun at this point in my life
Speaker 1: here at thirty six, possibly thirty of it depends when
Speaker 1: this episode comes up, being much more mature and and
Speaker 1: thinking more about the decisions I'm making and you know
Speaker 1: how they're going to um reflect on me maybe down
Speaker 1: the road a little bit. So yeah, I mean an
Speaker 1: interesting time and quite an interesting experience to have that
Speaker 1: that documented and for people to still watch it to
Speaker 1: this day. Yeah. So I like in our day and
Speaker 1: age now. So back when you guys were doing Laguna
Speaker 1: Beach in the Hills and I was an avid watcher,
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. Um, she was, are you I'm glad
Speaker 1: you did? That? Makes like four of us so that
Speaker 1: I'm done road rules. That was cool, my brother and
Speaker 1: I said. When my brother sent in a video and
Speaker 1: we did the whole things. You guys speaking of editing, um,
Speaker 1: yeah you know about it. No one needs to go
Speaker 1: google that. But in our day and age now, I
Speaker 1: feel like we have kids that are eighteen, nineteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: even documenting their lives on their own. So is there
Speaker 1: any piece of the Ghost of Stephen Future would give them,
Speaker 1: any piece of advice for Like, I can't imagine having
Speaker 1: cameras on me at eighteen. I mean even when I
Speaker 1: did road Rules, it was like I was twenty four,
Speaker 1: twenty five, and even that was a complete So is
Speaker 1: there anything you would say to them? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes people missed the piece of post
Speaker 1: reality TV show. You want to go get a real job,
Speaker 1: or you want to get like a not a real job.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, Like you go try
Speaker 1: to apply for something that has like a four one
Speaker 1: pay and you're like, uh, you know, there's You're there's
Speaker 1: some based on your character that's already been documented in
Speaker 1: people have seen. So is there anything you would tell
Speaker 1: people now to caution them are sweet younger generation? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I truly didn't understand, um, you know how
Speaker 1: long lasting some of my actions would be at that
Speaker 1: point one in my life going on the show. So
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to know and think that, look,
Speaker 1: whatever is happening on camera during this time is going
Speaker 1: to follow you for the rest of your life. And
Speaker 1: you need to sit in thought with that for a
Speaker 1: while and understand how kind of profound that is. And
Speaker 1: with the actions that you're going to take going forward
Speaker 1: on screen or on camera. Um and with that, you know,
Speaker 1: as I kind of mentioned earlier, I think one thing
Speaker 1: for me was letting my judgment fall by the wayside,
Speaker 1: which is of course drinking a lot on camera and
Speaker 1: those I mean, yeah, that that's just not a great look.
Speaker 1: I think that was a big one for me looking back. Um,
Speaker 1: So I would just stress I would stress that point
Speaker 1: and and and to even get involved, you know, I
Speaker 1: think you would have to really have a plan of something,
Speaker 1: of of what you want to do. If if you've
Speaker 1: got something that a brand that you eventually want to
Speaker 1: go down and sell, I think going down that road
Speaker 1: there needs to be a strategy of of why you're
Speaker 1: doing it. Um I do think you should still be
Speaker 1: yourself and if you're comfortable with yourself and who you are,
Speaker 1: then that's good. But don't try to be somebody you're not.
Speaker 1: But I would go I would take it as as
Speaker 1: a business decision, you know, not necessarily as a a
Speaker 1: life experience. I'm going to go do road Rules or
Speaker 1: some sort of a show just to like get some
Speaker 1: life experience and the move on with my life because
Speaker 1: it's just not worth it. It's not worth the you know,
Speaker 1: I think the risk of what you're putting yourself in,
Speaker 1: the situation you're putting yourself in and when you know
Speaker 1: those laps of jud judgment that occur. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a camera rolling and now it's there for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life. So is so is also Instagram
Speaker 1: and Twitter. It's like every anything you say, and that's
Speaker 1: like because like now our reality world is our Instagram,
Speaker 1: our stories and everything else we put out there. So
Speaker 1: it's you say one bad, wrong thing when you're eighteen twenties,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come back and haunt you. It's gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna it's like you do a story and you're singing
Speaker 1: a song and you say the wrong world. It's like
Speaker 1: it's those things like it's it's you're living your own
Speaker 1: reality show in your hands. Ess. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting how everyone's got their own little version
Speaker 1: of their personal reality show. Who have any sort of
Speaker 1: a public profile um or also even a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, private profiles that have you know, people that
Speaker 1: are broadcasting things to their friends. It's it's, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to see that. Um. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that you know, you're seeing the um consequences for
Speaker 1: those actions when when those laps of judgment judgment happened
Speaker 1: across all sorts of of you know, um a fields.
Speaker 1: I mean, I you see it with you know, performers
Speaker 1: and with with with athletes, people and politics. You know,
Speaker 1: they they go on Twitter and they pop something off
Speaker 1: or they think they're being funny and and again who knows,
Speaker 1: who knows if they've had drinks or something in there
Speaker 1: and they're they're just jumping on Twitter, which I definitely
Speaker 1: do not alright, do not recommend stuff stuff like that
Speaker 1: where you know it's again it's out there and then
Speaker 1: you could try to delete it, but it's somebody's already
Speaker 1: got it. Um. And you're seeing people, you know having
Speaker 1: to pay the price for that, you know, all the time.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. All right. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the dynamic between you and Kristen because obviously people that
Speaker 1: watch the show, that have followed y'all, there's always been
Speaker 1: that little thread of connection, right, so it's my high
Speaker 1: school sweetheart. There will always be something there from my
Speaker 1: high school sweetheart. Just always there's that love, that eighteen
Speaker 1: year old first love, UM thing. And I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: like how cool it is to do this show with her,
Speaker 1: and because there's so much respect, so much love that's
Speaker 1: there to kind of go all right, look at what
Speaker 1: we lived through and everything we went through because those
Speaker 1: were still real emotions, and then how you guys are
Speaker 1: today to be able to kind of like come together
Speaker 1: full circle, but also knowing that like there will always
Speaker 1: be that like deep love there. Well, I think it's
Speaker 1: you know, we would through so much. Everyone who was
Speaker 1: on the show together, we went through a lot, and um,
Speaker 1: you know we never spoke about it. You know, UM
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to this earlier, but it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we were all kind of grasping with what
Speaker 1: the show was at different times and in different ways. Definitely,
Speaker 1: And you know, you're still so young and and you
Speaker 1: really don't know how to process those emotions, and UM,
Speaker 1: it's taken years and and as us have gone on,
Speaker 1: little moments have popped up for us to have a
Speaker 1: chat about it. And when we did this, um, you
Speaker 1: know they will get out the vote deal. Um all
Speaker 1: came together for that. It was a positive experience. We
Speaker 1: all went into it very nervous and you know, and
Speaker 1: even talking with Kristen about, you know, doing the podcast,
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, what is this going to
Speaker 1: look like? And and and we want to do this. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's opening up a whole can of worms
Speaker 1: of emotions of what we went with, what we went
Speaker 1: through and doing the show. So you guys talked about
Speaker 1: the cheating incident, which you know, I would love to
Speaker 1: talk to me about my high school sweetar about fact
Speaker 1: that he cheated on me and say highands like I
Speaker 1: kind of want to talk about it, you know, because
Speaker 1: there's still feelings that you had, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like there's still like the great thing about yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: being twenty years later here is is it's you know,
Speaker 1: we're just we're all so far removed from those moments
Speaker 1: in our life and we've all gone on, you know,
Speaker 1: do different things, and and I have matured quite a bit,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you look back at it as
Speaker 1: you know, Um, it's kind of like I almost I
Speaker 1: look back at as like a character I played at
Speaker 1: some point, you know. Um, it's it's just such a
Speaker 1: different time. Um. And so we were all cast members
Speaker 1: and working on this show and and uh, here we are. Here,
Speaker 1: we are, all these years later able to come back
Speaker 1: and and discuss it. Um. And it's cool to do that.
Speaker 1: And yes that ultimately, the fact that it was real
Speaker 1: life at that point, um, you know it it makes
Speaker 1: it I think unique in its way. But again it's
Speaker 1: still you know, we're so far removed from it. Everyone's
Speaker 1: kind of moved on with their lives. That's nice. So
Speaker 1: to be able to go back and like kind of
Speaker 1: repair that I would think, you know, I mean, how
Speaker 1: many people really get to go down twenty years later
Speaker 1: and go to their X and like repair that relationship.
Speaker 1: That's got to be kind of nice and a relief
Speaker 1: in a way. Yeah, And I just want yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, it's I don't think it's it's it's really
Speaker 1: anything that we were. Anyone's like holding onto anything. You know. Again,
Speaker 1: you look back at that point in your life and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's another lifetime ago. And yeah, I just um,
Speaker 1: it's more it's it's fun being able to go through
Speaker 1: those moments and things that happened on the show and
Speaker 1: and just take the piss out of it, you know,
Speaker 1: and and just you know, give each other and and um,
Speaker 1: you know, laugh about it now. It makes it fun
Speaker 1: and it makes again the whole experience much more of
Speaker 1: an easier pilla. Is there one episode that's coming up
Speaker 1: that you're like, I just do not want to discuss. No,
Speaker 1: we nothing, nothing is is. I haven't been afraid of
Speaker 1: anything with this, you know, it was the one thing
Speaker 1: was probably the combo episode in the first season, but um,
Speaker 1: I was. I was looking forward to talking about it
Speaker 1: because again it's one of those things where I, of
Speaker 1: course I don't even remember what happened that day. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know what was going to be in the episode.
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of like, uh oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're pretty drunk that night down to Cabo,
Speaker 1: and I kind of knew because some friends said, you know,
Speaker 1: we had to take you home, that kind of a deal.
Speaker 1: But like, as far as what ultimately was on the
Speaker 1: show was I was seeing for the first time when
Speaker 1: it basically came out, and um, that was very shocking,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's barrassed for my family and for myself,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I was looking forward to just
Speaker 1: kind of making peace with that, I guess, and and saying,
Speaker 1: you know, um, having a proper chat about it, because
Speaker 1: people have brought it up with me over over the years,
Speaker 1: and it's come up here and there, and I realized
Speaker 1: that it was you know, a moment that was the
Speaker 1: people remembered a lot from the show, and so um,
Speaker 1: you know, I just, yeah, I needed to to have
Speaker 1: you know, um a little debrief about it, and and
Speaker 1: of course being able to talk to Christen about it. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was happy to do so
Speaker 1: instead of these little remarks in an interview cover you know,
Speaker 1: wherever down down the road here, Um, it was better
Speaker 1: to kind of sit down, watch it and um and
Speaker 1: and have a little discussion about it. So we're glad
Speaker 1: that was in the past. Yeah, and we're in the
Speaker 1: second season of the show. The second season, I was
Speaker 1: was barely in the show. I was trying not to
Speaker 1: be on the show, and uh, for that, I just
Speaker 1: get to kind of just sit back and you know,
Speaker 1: watch what's happening and watch a play out and a
Speaker 1: lot of these episodes I'm seen for the first time.
Speaker 1: I didn't the second season I barely watched when it
Speaker 1: came out, and so I'm learning all sorts of new things.
Speaker 1: And these are familiar faces to me, of course, because
Speaker 1: I went to high school all these kids. So I'm
Speaker 1: learning about all the juicy gossip from two thousand five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, what did that happened? Jason said, what.
Speaker 1: I love his transformation too. He has become a good
Speaker 1: friend of mine in the mental health world. And so
Speaker 1: that's been because watching him back on the hills too.
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was like that Jason like crazy,
Speaker 1: you know, so I know a very different version. Didn't
Speaker 1: he wear combat boots to the beach? Did he? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yah, I got a lot of rewatching today.
Speaker 1: If there was to be a One Tree Hill reboot,
Speaker 1: would you would you give Alas the second chance? No?
Speaker 1: He hated Alex. You know, if that gets us, if
Speaker 1: that gets it's on the show, right. We got to
Speaker 1: get a storyline on there. I mean, there's so many
Speaker 1: characters that have been on One Tree Hill over the
Speaker 1: years d eight seven episodes they're going to do do
Speaker 1: a reboot? I mean, do we make the cut? I
Speaker 1: mean we're like, here's our storyline. Yeah, we like, this
Speaker 1: is what's going to happen Chase and alexis I know,
Speaker 1: I know you're so Mia, like you always chose me
Speaker 1: because she was like the more, but I think you
Speaker 1: would have been bored of her. So I just like,
Speaker 1: I have definitely come around. I'm now a lovely housewife,
Speaker 1: but I still have my fund things you need more
Speaker 1: rolling around naked into bed, it's all I remember. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, how many scenes do we have where we
Speaker 1: had to just we was just that's my memory of you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I literally wasponset for the first time ever before we
Speaker 1: started working together, and I like walk on set and
Speaker 1: Danna was like, hey, just step y and she like
Speaker 1: goes and you're in your tidy way. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go. What they don't know? A picture from the
Speaker 1: there's a picture from the show that that circles from
Speaker 1: time to time where I'm literally in whitey tidies sitting
Speaker 1: at the edge of the bed that my I'm in
Speaker 1: my pink little remember that is like the segue into
Speaker 1: Alex because that sweet girl must really have some thick skin.
Speaker 1: She's stunning. How's that going. I just really want I
Speaker 1: really want to get us I was like, which, Alex,
Speaker 1: imagine dating like it. I can't imagine dating someone because
Speaker 1: I'm actually married to a country artist and he was
Speaker 1: a forty year old bachelor when we met, and that
Speaker 1: has come with its own slew of scrap book memories
Speaker 1: to just keep, and so I can't imagine someone being
Speaker 1: in such a spotlight and having all these like things
Speaker 1: like how does that affect a relationship? I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: you guys are growing mature, wonderful people. I don't know
Speaker 1: her personally, she's beautiful, I matter, she's awesome. Name like,
Speaker 1: she's just gunning anyone that looks like her really has
Speaker 1: much insecurity. But when these things come up, I mean,
Speaker 1: is that ever just tricky for you? Guys are just
Speaker 1: like it is what I mean, you and Whitey Tidys
Speaker 1: is something that can circle around, and that's not something
Speaker 1: I have to deal with her. Yeah, no, No, she understands,
Speaker 1: she's she's always been supportive and yeah, I mean, um,
Speaker 1: we've been Yeah, we've been in a great relationship here
Speaker 1: and she's known from you know, very early on. You know,
Speaker 1: I was signed up to do the podcast before you know,
Speaker 1: getting into this relationship, and so um, yeah, I'd let
Speaker 1: her know and she you know, she understands, you know,
Speaker 1: of course, UM, just my history and the experience that
Speaker 1: we had with that show, and UM, she's been very
Speaker 1: supportive and I can't ask much from her. She's she's
Speaker 1: been amazing with it. And she's a wonderful person who
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, she supports
Speaker 1: me and what I'm doing in my career and and um,
Speaker 1: you know what I want to do, and UM, you
Speaker 1: know she's on board. We're a team together. So are
Speaker 1: you a fan? You know, I was growing up, I
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of NASCAR, and I had I
Speaker 1: was a fan of a specific driver and I would
Speaker 1: follow it, um for for years. And then it kind
Speaker 1: of as a driver that I was a fan of retired,
Speaker 1: I kind of lost a little bit of interest. And
Speaker 1: then now, of course getting together with Alex it's you know,
Speaker 1: I've been re energizing the NASCAR world. I've been going
Speaker 1: to a few races. I've been going to a few
Speaker 1: more this year. I'm excited about. She's in l A
Speaker 1: right now. There's the a clash at the Colosseum that's
Speaker 1: happening this weekend that that we're going to and I'm
Speaker 1: and I'm really looking forward to that. But I always
Speaker 1: joke with her and say that I was a NASCAR
Speaker 1: driver in my first life, So, um, this is this
Speaker 1: is kind of kismet in a way and not surprising,
Speaker 1: but yeah's amazing. She works really hard for them. I
Speaker 1: mean she she travels. This year, she's going to be
Speaker 1: at most of the races and for the next correspondent,
Speaker 1: right for NASCAR. Yeah, she's a reporter. Yep. She's worked
Speaker 1: within NASCAR for six years now, and um, yeah, I's
Speaker 1: done all sorts of different shows for them, works in studio,
Speaker 1: works on track. She's a girl's girlfriend short because I
Speaker 1: told her, I said, hey, there's this one NASCAR guy
Speaker 1: that reached out and shows oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: do not respond, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: She's on the inside of all of it. She knows
Speaker 1: what's up. So but yeah, and she's I mean, she's working.
Speaker 1: She's going every race for the next few months, has
Speaker 1: to be on the road, so which, Yeah, she works
Speaker 1: really hard in that space and it's really cool to
Speaker 1: see her do her thing. A closet NASCAR fan and
Speaker 1: Ryan Newman has always been my guy. Oh there you go,
Speaker 1: nothing about neither. Literally that's I was like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: had that big crash and I was very serious. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I'll bring it back to things people want
Speaker 1: to probably know about, but I need to know who
Speaker 1: your driver was, because in NASCAR world, who's your driver matters. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I had a Earnhardt car, Dale Sr. When my
Speaker 1: dad gave me a car when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: And then again, I think there was that need for speed, uh,
Speaker 1: that was there early on, and so I thought NASCAR
Speaker 1: was really cool. Anytime that we went to the go
Speaker 1: kart place, I would always kick ass there. I'm not
Speaker 1: afraid about it right now. I never got less than
Speaker 1: first place, so um, I appreciate so that once after
Speaker 1: of course, for those who don't know Dale, this this
Speaker 1: driver we're talking about, he did pass away on track
Speaker 1: and and he had a son um that that excelled
Speaker 1: in the sport, Dale Earnhardt Jr. And so I became
Speaker 1: a fan of his and followed him up until he retired.
Speaker 1: So but now, yeah, I'm learning about all the new
Speaker 1: drivers and I am I'm a free agent right now
Speaker 1: as far as my fandom. But we're we're we're honing
Speaker 1: in on a couple of guys, so I love it. Offline,
Speaker 1: we have a few suggestions of who not to root for. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I think I might know probably on the
Speaker 1: same All right, Stephen, we'll wrap this up. What what's
Speaker 1: going on? What's next? Um? And yeah, tell us everything
Speaker 1: so that we can be rooting for our beloved Chase.
Speaker 1: Stephen so well, I, um, you know, we've got some
Speaker 1: very exciting things going on with everyone is doing great
Speaker 1: in season two. Um. So yeah, look forward to sharing
Speaker 1: more about that with people very soon. Awesome. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you Stephen so much for coming on the show. Always
Speaker 1: amazing seeing you and saying, hey, so I'm rooting for
Speaker 1: a reboot. Yeah, there you go. We gotta find our
Speaker 1: way on there. Jam we gotta figure out our storyline
Speaker 1: and pitch it an X, write your story. Let's go
Speaker 1: to be an extra all right, Stephen, You're the best
Speaker 1: season by Stephen, are you? Guys? Oh? He's the sweetest.
Speaker 1: I just love Stephen always, always like I love that
Speaker 1: he was my scene partner in Onetree Home. He's just
Speaker 1: even though Alex wanted Austin or Julian, but I just
Speaker 1: Stephen was the best. He was so fun and like
Speaker 1: I watched Laguna Beach, so I was excited to meet
Speaker 1: him and I thought I didn't know how he would be,
Speaker 1: but he was so cool, like just a normal dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say something that is going to get me kicked
Speaker 1: off the show? Does anything mean about One Tree Hill?
Speaker 1: You're never a lot, you know, Yeah, that's not gonna
Speaker 1: not mean. You know, I never watched One Tree Hill
Speaker 1: because I think it was the generation just after me.
Speaker 1: Like I think, I like, I know people in early thirty. Well,
Speaker 1: Captaine's gonna take offense. I watched it, but she watched
Speaker 1: every episode did but it was like our young twenties
Speaker 1: for me, I think like early early twenties. But now
Speaker 1: it's a whole resurgence of it, so like you can
Speaker 1: hop more with all the teenagers now. Well, now I
Speaker 1: have to watch because I really am like I've never
Speaker 1: watched I've never watched there's men in their long Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard now the way that we're like used to
Speaker 1: how TV is now. But I love TV, So I
Speaker 1: should just start over and watch it again. You should,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you. The problem is is there's so
Speaker 1: many and I don't even know how we would get
Speaker 1: together that often to watch them. You got to finished.
Speaker 1: We could watch like every like other or we finally
Speaker 1: got to jam I seen I watch it with you.
Speaker 1: It would be kind of fun. That would be kind
Speaker 1: of fun. I mean, I guess I've never watched it.
Speaker 1: So when minus a few episodes, but are really loyal,
Speaker 1: like I mean you're yeah, there's there's good there's good lessons,
Speaker 1: there's yeah, absolutely free lines for sure. So I haven't
Speaker 1: seen Steven since Steven was wasted in combo basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's crazy because he's like when he said he's thirty,
Speaker 1: it's Steven Eves, So when he's dizzy's thirty six almost
Speaker 1: thirty seven, and like he lives in my brain also
Speaker 1: like he's twenty three or twenty four. Like that's the
Speaker 1: last time I saw him was like a reunion show,
Speaker 1: I think. But like we were that age. I know,
Speaker 1: it's well, I wasn't there a few basically we were
Speaker 1: the we we're growing up with them, Like I have
Speaker 1: a question. Hold on one second, I'm so curious where
Speaker 1: this is going. I know, curious, I get scared, you
Speaker 1: get curious. Oh no, we can't. Um, we've got news
Speaker 1: coming in a few weeks. M h, don't worry, stay tuned, don't.
Speaker 1: We're not trying to tease you, guys. It'll come soon,
Speaker 1: it will yes. Uh, well, guys, good episode. I love
Speaker 1: you guys very much. I love you, I love you.
Speaker 1: I actually really needed a little line down today for
Speaker 1: my soul. You got you got the house, Quiet, tell
Speaker 1: your family well done, and maybe go out there and
Speaker 1: go sorry. I just really you have to tell you
Speaker 1: don't have to apologize. We're still actually you don't have
Speaker 1: to apologize for wanting and meeting quiet and time sixty.
Speaker 1: You've got ten more minutes, So what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with the ten minutes? The
Speaker 1: question hand and ball into the pool alone? When are
Speaker 1: we back to a room together? I want to get
Speaker 1: back from England end of next week and next week
Speaker 1: hug Alan for I will you know, I will thank you, Republics.
Speaker 1: Bye