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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.

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Speaker 2: This week's guest is super exciting.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've all watched Tell Me Lies and this

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Speaker 1: season finale has everybody talking. Alicia Crowder, Welcome to Casual Ka,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you.

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Speaker 1: I binged it and I have so many questions, so

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Speaker 1: many characters that I didn't think I wasn't gonna like

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Speaker 1: and now like and vice versa.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it changed like throughout because three seasons is a

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Speaker 3: long time. It's almost thirty episodes, and I feel like

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Speaker 3: things change so much from the beginning to end.

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Speaker 4: It's really cool to see that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're here in New York. Are you living here?

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Speaker 1: What made you come to New York?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So I came here right out of high school to

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Speaker 3: go to acting school, and yeah I've been here for

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Speaker 3: like a decade, which is kind of your love it here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 3: I was born and raised in Dallas and then yeah,

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Speaker 3: I moved here to go to college.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. Where'd you go?

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Speaker 4: I went to Juilliard?

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Speaker 2: Amazing. Okay, so this was like in your wood.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you never know though after school. Like

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Speaker 3: acting is such a crazy industry. It's like really feast

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Speaker 3: and famine and like truly nothing is guaranteed. So I

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Speaker 3: feel like I definitely got really lucky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were in one film with Ben Stellar, Yes

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Speaker 1: and super funny.

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Speaker 2: I had his daughter actually on the podcast and she

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Speaker 2: also went yeah she did, yeah, yeah, yeah, how was

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Speaker 2: that filming?

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Speaker 4: It was great.

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Speaker 3: It was right we filmed it like in fall of

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, so it was right before COVID and like

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Speaker 3: everything happened and it was my I think, Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: Doing a movie. It was great, like the writing and

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Speaker 4: like it's about New York, which is so cool.

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Speaker 3: It's about a young girl who like moves to New

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Speaker 3: So and that was kind of my like actual experience.

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Speaker 3: So it was really really fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a beautiful, beautiful film.

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Speaker 2: I love that. What was the audition process like for

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Speaker 2: Tell Me Lies?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I auditioned in twenty twenty one, so also

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Speaker 4: Didn't meet anyone. It was all over zoom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, first I did like a self tape in my

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Speaker 3: bedroom with my friend reading, and then I got a

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Speaker 3: call back and did like a zoom audition where I

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Speaker 4: And then yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't ever meet a human being, like in

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And when did you guys start filming? Was it still

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had it was you know, it's so funny

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Speaker 3: looking back because we would do be doing these scenes

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Speaker 4: You've seen the show.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of intimate stuff going on, and then

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Speaker 3: we would cut and be like everyone be like put.

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Speaker 5: On your mask, you know, even though we were just

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Speaker 3: But it was like such a weird time and like

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Speaker 2: So it was crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you read the script for the first time,

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Speaker 1: what was your reaction to your character, Diana?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I loved it. Yeah, I really loved it, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I got like many of the

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Speaker 4: Like because obviously it's like.

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Speaker 4: I really like the character, and I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, I need to when it comes out, go back

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Speaker 3: that was I just like saw that in my notes

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Speaker 3: app recently, which was really really cool. But yeah, Diana's

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Speaker 4: Show like really what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you ended up being my favorite character at

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Speaker 1: the end of Tell Me Lies. It was you and Reglly,

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Speaker 1: because I mean, how can you really hate right lay?

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Speaker 1: But I feel like your character really just like you

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Speaker 1: came into your own at the end of the show,

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Speaker 1: and you always had you were always level headed, and

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Speaker 1: that's something that I always respected about you. Even though

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Speaker 1: during the show you went through many things, especially being

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Speaker 1: in a toxic relationship with Steven, and there were many

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Speaker 1: things that you had to undergo, you always came out

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Speaker 1: on top and always very level headed, which is something

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Speaker 1: that Lucy really struggled with. Yea, So it was really

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Speaker 1: cool to see how, you know, people can be in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's such wow.

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Speaker 3: That's such a good point and something that we talked

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Speaker 3: a lot about with Megan who's the showrunner and like

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Speaker 3: the lead writers that, like Diana is like what would

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Speaker 3: Haven't thought about that in a while, But that's that's

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Speaker 3: such a good point. Like they really are foils, you know,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it's like this is what happens when you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately, it's just like a cycle, right, and it's

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Speaker 2: It's crazy when you're watching a show to be.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh my gosh, how does this really happen? But

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, people like young women come up to me

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Speaker 3: I think that's another reason why the show is so

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Speaker 4: But I don't know, like crazy stuff happens.

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Speaker 1: So the show is based on a book. Did you

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Speaker 3: So I read it, I think once I was cast,

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Speaker 3: Diana's character is kind of like like a crunchy girl,

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Speaker 4: But the core, I think the core of it is

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Speaker 3: Maintain like their characters from the book, and then through

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Diana makes some you know, problematic and controversial choices

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Speaker 1: at times when you were playing her role, did you

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Speaker 3: It's so hard because I've never been in her position,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's hard to It's hard to say.

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Speaker 1: You were also in a time of you know, m

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Speaker 2: When that time period was for Diana.

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Speaker 1: You all were just in college, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: End, like not even he left her, I know, and

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Speaker 3: Like what Like that's I always think about that when

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Speaker 1: I feel like there were so many cliffhangers to that ending,

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Speaker 1: and I can't believe it's done.

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Speaker 4: I know, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, there was just so much.

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Speaker 1: The show tackles really serious topics like abortion, sexual assault,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so nuts. The things will do for terrible men.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think this show resonated so strongly with

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Speaker 2: Breaking every girl Corde exactly.

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Speaker 4: But I think that like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which everyone does.

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Speaker 3: to go, and then record scratch and like it blows up.

450
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Speaker 3: But that's always fun too, to like for characters to

451
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: really be taken off guard by like some way that

452
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Speaker 3: the that the audience is.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel like everyone kind of expects

454
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Speaker 1: some sort of a drama at the weather, right. Did

455
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Speaker 1: you watch the show from start to finish?

456
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Speaker 4: I watched most of it.

457
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Speaker 3: My like family and friends love watching it and so

458
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: like I'll watch with them, and like there are some

459
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 3: scenes that I read that I read, like all the

460
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 3: stuff with Brie and her mom. When I was reading that,

461
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I have to watch that. So there's

462
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 3: some things that like I'm not in that I'm really

463
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: curious about, like how they're going to play out, that

464
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Speaker 3: I really like to watch.

465
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I would say for the most part and

466
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Speaker 4: most of it.

467
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Speaker 1: Yeah, after you know, now that the show has wrapped,

468
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Speaker 1: what is it like to hear the audience's feedback.

469
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Speaker 4: It's great.

470
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Speaker 3: It's like it's so scary because you never know how

471
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 3: people are going to react. But the feedback has been

472
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: so positive, which is really really nice.

473
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 4: Because it's kind of like if it's negative, like there's.

474
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Speaker 3: No we can't go We're not going to go back

475
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 3: and reshoot it, you know, like that's kind of it.

476
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: So it's been so nice and like people are really happy,

477
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 3: and I think that people are disappointed, you know that

478
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: the show is uh is not you know, continuing. But

479
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 3: I think that they're really satisfied with the way that

480
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 3: it ended.

481
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Speaker 4: And I think that there's so many TV shows.

482
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 3: And movies also that like people leave really unsatisfied and

483
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 3: like wanting more. But I think that we kind of

484
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 3: like did everything that everything that we could.

485
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Speaker 2: You guys nailed it.

486
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Speaker 1: I mean, any show could go on and on and on, right,

487
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: and that could end it with another cliffhang right or

488
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: this or that, even as you know, you always find

489
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: the general consensus on TikTok right, Yes, but just scrolling

490
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: it's funny watch after watching the finale and then as

491
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in bed scrolling and really seeing how everyone's

492
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: opinions are pretty aligned.

493
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Diana and.

494
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: Wrigley are the least toxic people on the cast, and

495
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: they really were, so you know, they were really they

496
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: tried to be so true to themselves. And then you

497
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: have Lucy where it's like, are you really ever gonna learn?

498
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Speaker 1: I don't know, even though at the ending it was

499
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: so satisfying for you, I really feel like you would

500
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Speaker 1: have gotten back in the car.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh for sure.

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00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he like she was so giddy getting the

503
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: car fee she was about to ride off into the sunset,

504
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: and it's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sad, but like I think that it's also

506
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: like there are some people who are just like that,

507
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: who are like you are addicted to the drama. And

508
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 3: like I loved like Stephen's speech. He was like yeah,

509
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: like about like life being boring without her and he's like, no,

510
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 3: I've been fine, But I think that for her, like

511
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: life is boring without him. She's someone who needs that

512
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 3: constant like stimulation good or bad.

513
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 4: You know, I totally agree.

514
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, moral of the story, Steven's obviously never changing, so

515
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: that is who he is. And I just felt like

516
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: brand Regla should have ended up together.

517
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 4: I feel like I do. I feel like that look

518
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 4: at the eye.

519
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: I know there's no way her in Oven or getting back. Yeah,

520
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 2: I don't think so feel bad And then was.

521
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Speaker 1: Really happy for Diana and Pippa. I feel like they

522
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: finally like just found their happy ending and again being

523
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: true to themselves. But I was very mad at Pipa

524
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: for what I hated how she didn't come forward after

525
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: Lucy was expelled.

526
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: Right, But it's also like there's so like that would

527
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 3: have to be like dredging up her own trauma, you know,

528
00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: which I think is like really difficult to for someone,

529
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: Like I've seen a lot of people say that, but

530
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: I think that it's such a complicated thing that and

531
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: I think that like really really difficult to.

532
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Speaker 2: Deal with that.

533
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was very very clear that obviously that

534
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: entire experience was so traumatic, right Pippa.

535
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: And there's some people like that girl.

536
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Speaker 3: Katie, I think, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.

537
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: Like Katie who did come forward really wanted to make

538
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: a you know, wanted to make a reference and get yeah,

539
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: Chris in trouble, which obviously that's what he deserved.

540
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: But sometimes it's.

541
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: So traumatic for other people where they want to kind

542
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: of just put it in the past and let it go.

543
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, just as a viewer watching that,

544
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: it was a little hard because Lucy was so down

545
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: bad and it was like maybe this one thing of

546
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: Pippa saying that would have made her go in a

547
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: different direction. But honestly, getting away from Bayard was also

548
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: probably the best thing for.

549
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 3: Lucy probably, And I think that like once the video

550
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: came out, like that was it. I don't think that

551
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: anyone could have like said or done anything because she

552
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: because Lucy did lie, you know, yeah, and I think

553
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: that that was like really the nail and the coffin,

554
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: and yeah, I don't think that there's like anything that

555
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: anyone could have done to yeah like fix that.

556
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 4: And it is so sad, But you know, I haven't

557
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: thought about it that way that like it maybe it

558
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 4: was the best.

559
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: Thing for her to be removed from that situation, and

560
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: like maybe she had like all of these years after

561
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: that where like things were good. Maybe that's so fun

562
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: to like think about that and like be like, what

563
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 3: what was happening at a different perspective.

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00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: I know, it's interesting looking back. What will you miss

565
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: most about being a part of tell me lies.

566
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Speaker 3: I think like working on this show and this character,

567
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: Like coming back season three, I really felt so like

568
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: secure and like really grounded and really like I know

569
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: who this person is inside and out, which is such

570
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 3: a great feeling as an actor.

571
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: Like it's fun, I think.

572
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: To like try new things, but like being really able

573
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: to flesh a full person out is like it's I

574
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: don't know, it's a privilege that a lot of people

575
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: don't get, you know, being able to be with someone

576
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: for like five years. And I'm gonna miss my cast,

577
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna miss my friends and being able

578
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: to like go to work every day with some of

579
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: your best friends. That really was something that was so

580
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: so special.

581
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

582
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Do Alicia and Diana have any similarities?

583
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: Oh for sure.

584
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: I think that we're both like extremely ambitious and driven,

585
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: but like in different ways. Like she's Type A, I'm

586
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: very Type B. Really that's hilarious, very very tight B.

587
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: I feel like I learned a lot from her about

588
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: like trying to like be organized and like get my together.

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: I think that like there's but also at the same time,

590
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: like people see Diana as like this very.

591
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 4: Independent, like smart, strong.

592
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: Person, which she is, but I think she's also very

593
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: codependent as well. And I probably am that way in

594
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: relationships too. So yeah, it's like a lot of I

595
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: always say that, like characters are us just in a

596
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: in a parallel universe with different circumstances, you know, because

597
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: it is it is you, it's your body, it's your face,

598
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: you know, it's sense you, it's yeah, your nervous system

599
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: experiencing and like saying these things. Yeah, what is next

600
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: for Alicia Crowder? I'm auditioning, yeah, yeah, which is really fun.

601
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: I'm trying to like get into producing I was really

602
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: inspired by Tell.

603
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: Me Lies because it's based off of a book.

604
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: So I'm really interested in like finding books to adapt

605
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: for TV and film, which has been so fun. And yeah,

606
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: just like auditioning and you know kind.

607
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: Of like looking at.

608
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: Different projects and like, yeah, trying to it would be

609
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: fun to like do like a comedy or like a

610
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: horror like something like kind of in a different genre.

611
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, like working on some things with friends, and

612
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: also like taking a little bit of time, you know.

613
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 4: Like a vacation.

614
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, would be fun, like going somewhere, but yeah, I

615
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: kind of like taking it day by day.

616
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Well, thank you so much for

617
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: coming on Casual Cares. This is amazing and you did

618
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: an incredible job. Thank you banking the role of Jana.

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Speaker 4: Thank you