1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to Battleground Podcast. Today, we have an 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: absolutely incredible guest. His name is Nick freed Us. He's 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: an Army combat veteran. He's a Special Forces Green Beret. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: He's an operator, as they're called, and we have that 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: in common. Nick and I both ran for Congress back 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. We met, we became friends, and since then, 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he's just built this incredible platform on YouTube. 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: He's got an amazing podcast, hundreds of thousands of subscribers, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: and he's really, frankly, he's a conservative thought leader and 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have him. Nick, Welcome to the podcast. 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: I am so grateful for your time. How you doing, 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: Oh doing well, man, Thanks for having me on. You're welcome. 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: We were just, you know, in the lobby or in 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: the student solving some of the problems of the world. 15 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: And I was saying to Andrew, my producer, before you 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: logged on, that your podcast. First of all, your studio 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: looks fantastic, but I love the format and your shorts. 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: I've blown away by you know, your ability to reach 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: people through your shorts. I mean you're like you're a 20 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: serious YouTube influencer, which is a term I think is 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: vastly overused, and I, generally speaking don't like it. But 22 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: but I do think that what you're doing has an impact, 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: especially on the next generation who are going those those 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: kids are going to shape the future of this country. 25 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: So I think it's really important. 26 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: No, it's you know, we we kind of made a 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: decision a while back. I mean we we initially started 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: doing kind of the podcast and doing doing more stuff 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: on social media, and a lot of it was related 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: to like floor speeches or campaign stops or things like that, 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: and we kind of made the conscious decision that we 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: wanted to talk about things on more of a cultural level. 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: We didn't we didn't want to make it all politics. 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: So we we we have a lot of political philosophy 35 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: in there, but a lot of what we talk about 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: is just simple stuff, you know, being a being a veteran, 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: being a dad, you know, stuff like that, and and 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: some of us just kind of common sense, you know, 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: poking fun at ourselves. 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: You know. 41 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: We we homeschools, so we've talked about that. I've talked 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: a little bit about homesteading. I want to call myself 43 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: a home center, mainly because I want to I want 44 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: to give myself that much credit right now, but we've 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 2: certainly been doing more and more with it, and I 46 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: think what we found is that one of the problems 47 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: with people that get involved in social media through politics 48 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: is I think it's all just an extension of their campaign, 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: and nobody wants to hear that crap, right, Like, that's Twitter, 50 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 2: that's Facebook. So if we so we just started talking 51 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: about kind of regular things from a perspective that you know, 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: it's things that you and I have talked about before, 53 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: and and it seems to be resonating and that that's 54 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: pretty encouraging. 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: Well, what's your secret? Because before before we went live here, 56 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: I was I don't think that I could generate those 57 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: little tidbits of wisdom on in these YouTube shorts that 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: you do, and and do it on a consistent basis, 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, how do you how do you shape what 60 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: content you put out there and decide what to use? 61 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: So some of it, I mean, honestly, I wish I 62 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 2: could say we had some sort of like grand long 63 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: term strategy where we've talked about so that usually it's 64 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: more like waking up in the morning getting my coffee 65 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 2: and either I was thinking about something the night before 66 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: thinking about something that day, or I had some interaction 67 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: with you know, my family or or something. I will 68 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: tell you this. The moment you think there's nothing to 69 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: opine on her or talk about or consider, just just 70 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: turn on the news and there's always going to be 71 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: there's a never ending stream of stuff that either needs 72 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: to be mocked or explained. So I mean, we try 73 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: to do we try to do like once a day, 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: that's kind of our thing, like once a day. But really, 75 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: if you can, if you can make a good, if 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: you can make is like you know, a meaningful or 77 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: funny or something form of content and you can put 78 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: it out on various platforms and whatnot. But I think 79 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: I think it like, for instance, I mean, you have 80 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: some incredible experiences with respect to your military service, running 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: for office, I mean, being an author. I mean, there's 82 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: so many things in there where not to mention, like 83 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: all the political stuff, right, like put that aside for 84 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: just a second. There's so many things that you might 85 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: have you might have learned for that, or funny stories 86 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: or things like that that people would be interested in 87 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: to you get just a little bit of insight into 88 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: something that maybe they've never experienced before. Like I talked 89 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: about the this is probably something you can relate to 90 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: as well. I talked about the first job I had 91 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: leaving the military and kind of like the transition into 92 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: civilian life and this like this funny little episode I 93 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: got into where, you know I What I said was, 94 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: I told the guy like, hey, I wouldn't mind doing 95 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: that thing if you really want me to, but I 96 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: think there. 97 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: Might be a better way to execute it. I said. 98 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: What I actually said was, that's the dumbest thing I've 99 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: ever heard of in my life. And the only way 100 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: I'm doing it is if you put it in an email, 101 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: because I don't want anyone blaming me for this stupid crap. 102 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: You know, you put that out right, and there's going 103 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: to be a ton of people that are veterans that 104 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: completely relate to it, or there's going to be other 105 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: people that just think it's funny. And so that's why 106 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: I tell people. It's like people got a lot more 107 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: to offer than they than they think they do. It 108 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: just sometimes takes a little bit of while of thinking 109 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: about it, like, Okay, how can I say this in 110 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: a way that's going to grab someone's attention? Maybe be funny, 111 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: but at the end, they're going to get something from it. 112 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: One of the biggest, one of the biggest things you 113 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: need to do, like with any transaction, and you've run businesses, 114 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: you know this, what is the value proposition? You know 115 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: someone you're asking for someone to give you their attention 116 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: for even if it's just for fifty seconds, you know, 117 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: what do they get out of it? And and so 118 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: thinking about things in such a way to where you 119 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: could package those experiences in a way that's meaningful or 120 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: funny or provide some sort of insight. And again, a 121 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: lot of what we do is not telling people you 122 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: should do this. It's more like, hey, this is my experience, 123 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: this is this is what this happened to me, this 124 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: is how I reacted, this is what I learned from it. 125 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know, people seem to like it. 126 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: You know. You know how I first stumbled across these 127 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: videos because again, like you and I met. I met 128 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: you on the campaign trail, your Special Forces guy, like 129 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: Army guy. That's that's how I knew you. And I 130 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: stumbled on one of your shorts on YouTube. And by 131 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: the way, I don't know why the hello is on there. 132 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: I never really got into you, like I had a 133 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: staff that managed all that, like and now that, now 134 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: that I'm doing the podcast and stuff, I'm more involved 135 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: in that side of things. But but I stumbled on 136 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: a video you talk about, you know, what's the value proposition? 137 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: And so much of what my life has become is 138 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: muddling through try to trying to be a father to 139 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: five kids, and it's it's not. You know, we're a 140 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: blended family. You know, I've got kids, you know, a 141 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: sixteen year old stepdaughter, she's my daughter, I mean sixteen 142 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: four ten year old son to twelve year old daughters 143 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: and a ten year old son. But you had some 144 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: video out there about daughters and dating and stuff like 145 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: that and and and that that's you talk about a 146 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: value proposition. Man. That spoke to me because my daughter now, 147 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, she's dating and and I don't. I mean, 148 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: I I have to tell you, Nick, I struggle with it, 149 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: and I and I often reflect on it and I 150 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: think about why I do and I can't quite put 151 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: my finger on it. But your videos help me say, 152 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: at least at least at a at a bare minimum, Hey, 153 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: I ain't the only one going through this. You know, 154 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: there's no there's no Field manual for how to raise 155 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: kids you know. 156 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: No, yeah, we we had we had a video on 157 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: I think the one that really went viral for us 158 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: on our shore was three Things I Learned Raising Daughters. Yeah, 159 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: And it was just talking about you know. It started 160 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: off because when when I had a little girl, I 161 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: asked my wife, you know, okay, how do I be 162 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: a good dad? And then I asked the biggest man 163 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: whore I met in the military, like, how do I 164 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: protect her from you? 165 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: Dude? 166 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: Like this is I mean, straight up buddy to buddy, 167 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: operator operator, What the heck do you say? Uh? So 168 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: I can prepare to like say no to you, and 169 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: and you know, he looked at me, and it was 170 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: It was weird because it was kind of one of 171 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: those things where I was quasi making a joke, but 172 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: I was also serious. And he got real quiet and 173 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: looked at me and goes, tell your daughter you love her, 174 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: because if you don't, you know, basically, someone like me 175 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: will and they'll believe him. 176 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: And that hit me, man, like that that hit me. 177 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: And I I remember thinking, you know, obviously it's not 178 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: enough to just say that I love my daughter. It's 179 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: it's important that I you know, demonstrate that with spending 180 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: time with her and protecting her and everything else. But 181 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: I better verbalize it as well. And it because a 182 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: lot of times stuff like that will happen. I'll go 183 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: and I'll talk to my wife. I'm like, you know, 184 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: explain to me what this is like from your perspective 185 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 2: as a woman. And she's like, you know, look, I 186 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: love all the things that you do to provide and 187 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: help and protect our family and the whole deal, and I. 188 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of it. But yeah, like that's great. 189 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 2: But if you don't say, if you don't verbalize I 190 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: love you to your daughter, you can't expect them to 191 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: automatically believe that. Of course he's working this hard because 192 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: he loves me. Of course he does these things because 193 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: he loves she else needs to hear it. And that 194 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: was I found that to be an incredibly useful piece 195 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: of advice because my oldest daughter is twenty, she just 196 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: got engaged. My youngest daughter is fifteen, and so I'm 197 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: right there with you on kind of those It feels 198 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: like it feels like a minefield for fathers, especially. 199 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: If it does. It does. Yeah, I mean, you know, 200 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: is it hard for you? I mean, I'm surely it 201 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like and I'm not trying to speak for you, 202 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound like it came natural to you 203 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: to say, hey, and kiddo, I love you, you know, just 204 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: want and I'm doing this because here's here's the reason 205 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: why I might be a little crazier. It seems like 206 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm a little crazy in this regard with with dating. 207 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: But this is what I'm thinking, this is where I'm 208 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: coming from, and ultimately, I love you, kiddo, and I 209 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: want to protect you, and that's that's my job. And 210 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: when you're out there dating, you almost as as a father, 211 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, you take that and you outsource that protection. 212 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: Still my responsibility, it's still my job. But if they're 213 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: out there together, it's like at some point she's gonna 214 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: have to protect herself and you know he he obviously 215 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: cares for us. So it's it's very, very complicated. It's 216 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: a tough journey for fathers. So how did Obviously it 217 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: sounds like talking to your to your wife is so important, 218 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's so important for me too, But how 219 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: did how do you? How did you have that epiphany? 220 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: Because you and I are both knuckle draggers man like 221 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: I'm an infantry guy, and they like. 222 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: We don't always have We don't always have they we're 223 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: not always the best and expressing our emotions like typically sad, sad, 224 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: and it's just as sad as angry, you know for me. 225 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: Like so it's like it's difficult angry, Yeah, frustrated. 226 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 2: Confused, sad, depressed, that's all anger and then yeah I'm happy. 227 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think, uh. 228 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'll give my my parents got divorced 229 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: when I was three, but I still had a great 230 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: relationship with both my folks. Now I had to go 231 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: I had to go down, and I spent the summers 232 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: with my dad in the school years with my mom, 233 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: and then you know, holidays and stuff like that. But 234 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: both of them, I think we're both of them were 235 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: good about, you know, spending time when they could. They're 236 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: both incredibly busy, right, they're working hard. My dad was 237 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: a homicide detective, my mom was a nurse. They were 238 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: also good I think in verbalizing saying I love you, 239 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: like not all the time, but they they did it. 240 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: So I think part of it was part of it 241 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: was was my faith right and just understanding that you know, 242 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: there's certain responsibilities that I have as a father there 243 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: that are biblical and are just there and that I'm 244 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: responsible for. And then part of it, too, was was 245 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: having those conversations with with my wife and you know, 246 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: talking about what she experienced growing up, what she would 247 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: have liked to have experienced more of. I think one 248 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: of the biggest things that struck me when my oldest 249 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: daughter was like eleven or twelve, it was the first 250 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: time a boy kind of liked her, and we we 251 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: had set up kind of we I mean, we're probably 252 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: pretty draconian compared to most parents, Like we told our 253 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: kids like, look, dating is about getting married, and if 254 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: you're not ready to get married or not ready to date, 255 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: and so you need to you need to hold that off. 256 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: But I remember the first time my oldest daughter was 257 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: like eleven years old, she had a boy at school 258 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: that liked her. And this is we actually ended up homeschooling, 259 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: but not to avoid the boy. 260 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: But. 261 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit maybe yeah, And I remember she 262 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: she told her mother first and her and her mom 263 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: was like, you need to go, you need to go 264 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: talk to your dad. And so she came over and 265 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 2: she kind of told me the whole deal. And I 266 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: remember saying, I'm like, i'd sweetheart, I want to explain 267 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: something to you. I said, it is perfectly natural for 268 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: you to be feeling like butterflies right now, for you 269 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: to be feeling, you know, kind of happy and excited 270 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: and like all of those emotions because this boy has 271 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: expressed that, you know, he prefers you over all the 272 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: other girls and that. And I said, you know what, sweetheart, 273 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: that shows great judgment on his behalf, right, that shows 274 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: great judgment that he picked you because you are you 275 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: are incredible. I said, But you know, sweetheart, I want 276 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: you to understand that the reason why we set up 277 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 2: the boundaries that we do is because I want you. 278 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: To have the marriage that your mommy and I have. 279 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: And one day, I totally believe God's going to bring 280 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: that guy for you that you are just going to 281 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: be in love with. I mean, he's just going to 282 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: be a great guy. He's going to be what you're 283 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: looking for in life, and and you were just going 284 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: to want to spend the rest of your life with him. 285 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: And one of the reasons why we protect you so 286 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: much is because when you when you find yourself in 287 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 2: that moment, I don't want you to have to explain 288 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: a whole lot of stuff that came before you met him, right. 289 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: I want you to think, how much how much will 290 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: I have to explain to this person about what I did, 291 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: who I did it with, and everything before I get 292 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: to that person. And it's not because you can't. I mean, look, 293 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: stuff happens, right, Stuff happens, and people have great marriages 294 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: to get through all that. But what I found was 295 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: is that the mindset I was trying to work with 296 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: my girls very very early on, was that Daddy does 297 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: not believe Daddy's I'm not someone that like wants to 298 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: scare off all your boyfriends and never want you to 299 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: get married. And you're my little girl, and that's it. No, 300 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: I want you to I want you to get married, 301 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: I want you to have kids. I want to be 302 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: a grandpa, I want to do all those things. I 303 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: want you to have an incredible marriage. I want you 304 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: to have with me and your mother had like, I 305 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: want you to have all of those things. And I 306 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: want you to trust that I do want that for you. 307 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: And so as as time goes on, if I ever say, sweetheart, 308 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: I don't think he's the one I want you to 309 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: trust that my only motivation is because there is one 310 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: and this guy ain't it. And what I what I 311 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: found was is that when my you know, when my 312 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: oldest daughter got older and she now she is old 313 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: enough to date, and she has a boyfriend, and he 314 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: was very respectful, he was a good guy. She maintained 315 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: very very strict boundaries with him, and she kind of 316 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: came to the conclusion one day that she was I 317 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: just don't know if this is going to work out. 318 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: And I was the one she was talking to about it. 319 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: I was the one she was, well, Daddy, what about this? 320 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: What do you think about this? Well, you know, hey, 321 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: what about this? Or for the future. You know, I 322 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: think our goals and you know, what we believe might 323 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: not line up as much as I would like. And 324 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: and and I remember just sitting there talking her out 325 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: with her and Okay, yeah, I think this is good. 326 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: I think you've used good reasoning here. 327 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: And and they ended up breaking up, remained friends. And 328 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: but I think the work for that, if at all 329 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: possible to work for that, starts younger. It starts with 330 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: establishing that trust to where they know their daddy loves 331 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: him as one hundred percent know their daddy loves them. 332 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: They also know that Daddy will tell them the truth. 333 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: He'll do it in love, but he'll tell them the 334 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: truth because, let's face it, you look at everything kids 335 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: are going through right now in the mountain of crap. 336 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: They are being fed about the world and not just 337 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: politically but ideologically, identity wise everything. They're being fed so 338 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: much disinformation about the world right now and their role 339 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: in it and who they are. They need to know 340 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: that there is somebody that they can go to that 341 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: is going to give them the truth, even the hard 342 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: truth at time, but they don't mind receiving it because 343 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: they know it's from somebody that is entirely on their side, 344 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: like their biggest fan. And then the other thing is 345 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: is they got to be They got to know that 346 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: when they need to tell you something, you're not going 347 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: to flip out. You're not going to flip out. And 348 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: I think that I tried to. I tried to do 349 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: that for my girls, and there was times where I 350 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: think I nailed it, and there was times where I 351 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 2: totally fail. But I know that I mean, one of 352 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: the one of the greatest, one of the greatest experiences 353 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: for me in my life thus far. Was when my 354 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: daughter's fiancee, who I really like, great dude, great dude, 355 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 2: sort of guy you prayed will come along to you know. 356 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: And he came in and he came and asked my permission. 357 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: But that's the thing they're not supposed to do anymore. Right, 358 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: you're not supposed to right, you can ask for a blessing. 359 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: Not No, he came and he asked for my permission, and. 360 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: He did right, looks like, that's what looks like. 361 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: But here's the important part. He didn't just do that 362 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: because he knew it was the right thing to do. 363 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: He did it because my daughter would have asked him 364 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: if he had once he asked her to marry him. 365 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: And and that's the sort of relationship I want to 366 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: have with my girls. I want him to know that. Look, 367 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: no matter what happens, I'm gonna tell you the truth, 368 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna I'm gonna give you advice based off 369 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: of what I think is best for you. But man, 370 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: I am, I am on your side. Like you cannot 371 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: even you cannot even imagine my life for yours, sweetheart, 372 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: my life for yours. 373 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: It sounds like so much of it. I mean, obviously 374 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: you know you said sometimes you got it right, sometimes 375 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: you didn't, And I feel like that often. Do you 376 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: think that it's I mean, I tend to think this, 377 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: but is it just about showing them that you love 378 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: them and that you're trying and that trust that's established 379 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: there builds the sort of relationship where they feel like 380 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: they can come to you and talk to you about these, 381 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: you know, what, what are personal issues? Because I agree 382 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: with you, Nick, I think that's so important. You know, 383 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: kids come home from school, they had a rough day. 384 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 1: You ask them what's wrong. Sometimes they tell you, sometimes 385 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: they shut down. You know, I'm fine, I'm good nothing 386 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: happened in those moments because I'm sure that you've had them. 387 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: Are you persistent or do you give them some time 388 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: to breathe or do you check in you know, after 389 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: they've had time to breathe, do you check in with 390 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: them later? What's your rules of engagement on that? I 391 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: think it. 392 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: I think it kind of depends. So obviously you'll have 393 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 2: times when your kids are are there and they're they're 394 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: angry and they're mad about something. You can tell the 395 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: times where they're just sad, you can tell the times 396 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: where they're they're. 397 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: They're hurt. 398 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: And what I try to do is make sure that 399 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: I'm aware enough of what's going on, because you know 400 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: the deal, you can get so focused on something that 401 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: your situational awareness goes goes out the window. But I 402 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 2: try to be situation aware. Sometimes my wife has got 403 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: to be like, hey, you need to go. This is 404 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: another thing that's so important about that relationship, right is 405 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: when when you're when you have a wife that. 406 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: Will tell you, hey, babe, they need to talk to 407 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: you about this. So they really need to. They'll give 408 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: you a heads up sometimes. 409 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: But I but I think being aware of it and 410 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: and engage, like actively engaging hair are you okay? Yeah, 411 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: I'm fine? No, No, seriously like are you okay? And 412 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: so I think a little bit of persistence now if 413 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: they if they really don't want to talk right now, 414 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: they just got to figure it out or whatnot. I 415 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: think it's I think it's find to say okay, but 416 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: if you need to, I'm right here. I'm here for you. 417 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: Again. 418 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: I can't emphasize enough how much I think a lot 419 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: of this starts early on, because when when your kids 420 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: are little, they automatically come to you right like it's 421 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 2: it's like a regular thing. You You are their source 422 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: to the outside world. And so I think when you 423 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: establish that pattern early on where they know they can 424 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: come and talk to you, and that you're going to 425 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: hear them, that you're really going to sit there and 426 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: listen and not just immediately start to give advice. That's 427 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: the other big lesson I've learned is you know I don't, 428 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: but before I can give advice, I got to understand again. 429 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: I'll go back to the military, right, Understand your operational environment. 430 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: How many times did we have that hammered into us oversea? 431 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: Know your operational environment. Know your operational environment. Same thing 432 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: with kids, all right, when when when your daughter is 433 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: sitting there and she wants to talk to about some 434 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: especially your daughters, they don't necessarily want you to fix 435 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: something right off the bat. They may want you to, 436 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: but they first want to feel like you really understand 437 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: the problem the way they understand the problem. You understand 438 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: it from their perspective as much as possible. And then 439 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: a lot of times it's helpful to ask questions instead 440 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: of if we if we go in write. 441 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: With advice, Okay, do this, do this, do this, do this. 442 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: They don't feel like you've actually gone through the process 443 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: with them of understanding the problem first, and so they 444 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: don't trust the advice as much. But when you when 445 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: you've gone through and you've asked important questions what about this? Okay, 446 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: well did he say this? What did you say to that? 447 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: Okay? So what were you thinking when that? When that 448 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: took place? 449 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 2: Then after a while they think like, Okay, we're engaged, 450 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: we're in this together. We're we're like, we're investigating, right, 451 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: we're investigating this and we're going to get to the 452 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: conclusion together. It's not my dad gonna tell me like, Okay, 453 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: you had to do this, you should have done this, 454 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: or why didn't you do this? Or you remember when I 455 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 2: told you. It's none of that. 456 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: So I think that does a big part of it. 457 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 2: The other one too, that I think is critical, and 458 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: this is the part that you struck to with like, hey, 459 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: we're trying. When you set up certain rules and standards 460 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: for conduct, behavior, honesty and things like that and you 461 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: fall short of it. So you've established what the rules 462 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: are and you've pointed to this as the standard, but 463 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: now you've fallen short of it. And they, respectfully, if 464 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: they're disrespectful. I'm sorry, I don't. I don't brook disrespect 465 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: because the world doesn't brook disrespect, and my kids didn't 466 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: understand that. But again, I'll remember a time when my 467 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: oldest daughter came to me and she thought I had 468 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: handled something wrong. And it turns out she was dead 469 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: on right. She was right and I was wrong. And 470 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: I sat there and I said, sweetheart, first of all, 471 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: I appreciate you bringing this to my attention. You are right, 472 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: I'm wrong, and I'm gonna go correct that. And it 473 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: had to do with something an interaction I had with her, 474 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: her younger brother and sister. I got mad at him 475 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 2: because they made a mess in the kitchen. Turns out 476 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: they were making me something. 477 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: But she in that. 478 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 2: Moment, what it was is that I looked at that, 479 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: thank God, because there's been other moments where I've been like, 480 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: I'm in charge here, yea. In that moment, I looked 481 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: at it as I've taught my daughter that there's a 482 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: standard for right and wrong. I'm also the authority figure 483 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: in this house. So what just happened was my daughter 484 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: realized that the authority figure had broken a rule, had 485 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 2: broken a standard, and now she had the courage to 486 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: come to an authority figure and respectfully ask about it 487 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 2: and inform me about it if I if I just 488 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: go after her right now, what I've taught her is 489 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: the rules are arbitrary, the standards are arbitrary, and all 490 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: that matters is my authority because I have the ability 491 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: to impose it. Why sure as hell don't want to 492 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: raise kids that do whatever authority figures tell them to, 493 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: regardless of what is right and wrong. Exactly so in 494 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: this moment, if I say you're right, I'm wrong and 495 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 2: I need to go correct this, I've told her that 496 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 2: the rules are not arbitrary because they also apply to me. 497 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 2: And I've also hopefully encouraged her to continue to display 498 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: courage in challenging authority respectfully when it needs to be challenged. 499 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: And I think those two things right there, really listening, 500 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: when when all of your children, but specifically talking about daughters, 501 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: really listening and being willing to go on kind of 502 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: the journey to figure out what's bugging m and why. 503 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: And the second part is them understanding that you also 504 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: believe that the same rules and standards that apply for 505 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: them and for your son and the whole deal also 506 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 2: apply for you with respect to you know, standards of 507 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: morality and conduct. 508 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: Today, I want to talk about something that's been on 509 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: the minds of many Americans lately, energy independence. With rising 510 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: energy prices and geopolitical tensions, it's more important than ever 511 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: for our country to be self sufficient when it comes 512 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: to our energy needs. And that's where Deep Well Services 513 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: comes in. They're a company that's not only dedicated to 514 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: delivering top not services to the oil and gas industry, 515 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: but they're also committed to the goal of American energy independent. 516 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: With their cutting edge technology and expert team of professionals, 517 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: they're helping to unlock new sources of domestic energy and 518 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: reduce our dependence on foreign oil. But that's not all. 519 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: Deep Well Services is also a great American company that's 520 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: hiring like crazy right now, and they're not just looking 521 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: for anyone if they're seeking out talented and hardworking individuals 522 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: who want to join their team and make a difference. 523 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: And with competitive salaries and benefits, it's a great opportunity 524 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: to not only work for a patriotic company, but also 525 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: build a rewarding career in the energy sector. So if 526 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: you're looking for a job with purpose and meaning or 527 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: if you're simply passionate about American energy independence, then you 528 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: should definitely check out Deep Well Services. Visit their website 529 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: at Deepwellservices dot com to learn more about their company 530 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: and career opportunities. God man, how in the hell did 531 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: two combat veterans infantry guys start talking about like, you know, 532 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: like the yeah, the philosophy praising kids. I don't know 533 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: how he got on this. And I intended to come 534 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: in here and talk about, you know, combat and stuff, 535 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: but I'm so fascinated by all this stuff. I mean, 536 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Then, how important is 537 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: it to say I'm sorry to your children when you 538 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: get it wrong? I think so. 539 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: I think it's very important. I also think it's important 540 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: to acknowledge being wrong, because it's one thing to be sorry, 541 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 2: it's another thing to acknowledge that I was I was 542 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: wrong on that, I was wrong on that. Now again, 543 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: I can't. I can't stress this enough. It's still important, 544 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: but that that there has to be a level of 545 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: respect maintained. Like I see this stuff in like you know, 546 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 2: TV shows or whatnot where kids are just yelling at 547 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: their parents, and like I'll look over and my kids 548 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: will be like what would happen if you did that, like, 549 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: oh gosh, we need destroyed, we need destroyed. And and 550 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: there was there was an interesting study that was conducted. 551 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: I can't remember, I can't remember what where where what 552 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: university did it, but they let they let kids out 553 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: to play right from like a recess or something like that. 554 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: When there was no fence. The kids all huddled together 555 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: and they didn't stray too far right. They kind of 556 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: they kind of stayed closer together. When they went out 557 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: to play an area where there was a fence, they 558 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: expanded out and they explored more. And it goes to 559 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: show that the kids are actually looking for boundaries and 560 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: they want to know that they're good boundaries and they're 561 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 2: not arbitrary. They're there for a reason, and they're there 562 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 2: for their protection because someone loves them and is caring 563 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 2: for them. And as the guardians of those boundaries, we 564 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: are owed a level of respect. But if you want 565 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: your kids to understand that the reason why the boundary exist, 566 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 2: this is not because I, as the dictator of the family, 567 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: decided that they exist, but they exist because they're true 568 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: and they're good and they're noble. Well, then if there's 569 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: a situation where you violate the boundaries and they respectfully 570 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: call you on it. I think it's imporant to be like, 571 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: you're right, I'm wrong, I'm sorry, I won't do that again, 572 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: or you know you were correct, because again, I don't 573 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: want my kids. I don't want my kids to be 574 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: like blind lemmings following whatever, because it's the problem. When 575 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: your kids leave their house, you're not the primary authority 576 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 2: figure anymore. It's the college professor, it's the boss, it's 577 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: whoever else it is. And if they haven't left your 578 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: house convinced that there's such a thing as right and 579 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: wrong and these are the standards, then it's whatever the 580 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: next authority figure tells them. And I guarantee that next 581 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: authority figure isn't going to care about them as much 582 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: as you do. 583 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: God Nick, I mean, so you've clearly thought a lot 584 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: about being a fall and I suppose, and I don't suppose, 585 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: I know goes hand in hand with being a good 586 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: husband and working on your relationship, and I'm sure you've 587 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: given a fair amount of thought to that. But where 588 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: does this come from in you? I mean, because you 589 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: you told me earlier that you came from a divorced home, 590 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: and you know, I my parents stayed together, uh and 591 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: I had my parents were amazing. I love them to 592 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: this day. They stayed together. But obviously I went through 593 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: a divorce. Wasn't in the cards for me. Wasn't anything 594 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: that I planned for. People who are watching subscribe to 595 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: my show know that I had the oj Simpson trial 596 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: of divorce trials, So like people people know, but it's 597 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: somewhere along the way, did you make a choice? I mean, Nick, 598 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: were you? Did you make a choice? Like, I don't 599 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: want this life for my kids, and I'm going to 600 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: focus on what it means to be a good husband 601 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: and a good father. I think so. 602 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: Again, my parents got divorced, remarried, and my mom got 603 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: married again, then got divorced again while I was at home, 604 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: and then my dad got separated again. And then excuse me, 605 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: Tina's parents got divorced and remarried. So both of us 606 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: kind of came from this kind of tumultuous environment where 607 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: we still had we still had like effective parents, right, 608 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: but it certainly wasn't in the ideal situation. 609 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: Did they get along? I mean, were they? Were they 610 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: cordor one another? Yeah? They were? 611 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: I mean, the greatest gift that my mom and dad 612 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 2: gave to me after they got divorced was not using 613 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: me or my brother as ponds and battles between them 614 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: my mom. My mom actively worked to make sure that 615 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: we had a good relationship with our father. Our father 616 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: actively worked to make sure that we loved and respected 617 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: our mother. And that was that was crucial, right, that 618 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 2: was crucial. The other so I think both of our experience, 619 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: my wife's and I experience with both like we're not 620 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: doing this. The other thing too, is like our faith 621 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: is very, very important to us. This is not something 622 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: that you know, we just you know, it's not cultural 623 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: Christianity in the sense that, okay, well yeah, hey we're 624 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: predominantly Christian, so we are too. It's like, no, it 625 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: meant something to us. And when we h when we 626 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: first sat down when we were dating, because we got married, 627 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: we got married at nineteen and twenty, we sat down, 628 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: I remember when we were dating and just started talking 629 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: about what our expectations were for marriage, like what were 630 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: her expectations of me, what were my expectations of her? 631 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: And so when we found ourselves you know, married, I mean, 632 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: there was totally you know, ups and downs and fights 633 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: and disagreements and. 634 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: The whole deal. 635 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: But we we did have a baseline on what our 636 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: what our standards were, and we had a baseline of 637 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: conduct for how we interacted with each other, and there 638 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: was there was certain rules that really helped us out 639 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: with that. And then one of the things that really 640 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: struck me was this idea that my kids are first 641 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: learning my kid's first introduction to marriage is going to 642 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: be my wife's and I are interaction. So my son 643 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 2: is learning how to treat and interact with his wife, 644 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: my daughter is learning what her expectations are for a 645 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: healthy relationship. And and so that that caused me to 646 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: start thinking about these these questions and whatnot, and then 647 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: just just recognizing, I mean, the role we play as 648 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: men in society right now is totally under attack. The 649 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: role we play as man, the role we play as husbands, 650 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 2: the role we play as fathers. And I if there's anything, 651 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: if there's any message I would give to you know, 652 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: any young man out there, a man in general out there, 653 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: is take what culture is throwing at you right now 654 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: and just trashment it absolute garbage. We are we are made, 655 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: we are made designed to be strong, to be confident, 656 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 2: to be competent, to be capable. We are designed to provide, 657 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: we are designed to protect, and you were going to 658 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: find an enormous sense of meaning and purpose and fulfilling 659 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 2: those roles. Regardless of what the latest trend out of 660 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 2: cal Berkeley is like. I couldn't care less what popular 661 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: culture tells me about what my responsibilities are as a man. 662 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: I'd much rather go to scripture and to thousands of 663 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: years of human history that has demonstrated that when men 664 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: step into our roles and we assume them, and we 665 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: and we operate in them with honor and integrity and nobility, 666 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: and yet to a certain degree, a certain element of 667 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: tenderness toward our wife and toward our children, that is 668 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: the building block of everything else you want to solve 669 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: most of the problems going on in this country right now. 670 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: It's not going to be an election cycle. It is 671 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: going to be strong men once again reassuming and taking 672 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: pride in the position that they have as husbands and fathers. 673 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: I could I totally agree and and to your point 674 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: about the role of what it means to be a 675 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: man under assault in this country, I mean, the DA 676 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: backs it up too. If you look at even the 677 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: Census Bureau from twenty nineteen, again having gone through a 678 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: contentious custody fight and a divorce myself, which by the way, 679 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: my kids didn't ask for that, they don't deserve to 680 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: be in the middle of that hated That for them 681 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: is something like eighty percent of divorces or custody fights 682 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: end up with the mother getting primary custoder eighty percent. 683 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: Eighty percent. And that's empirical data. You know, if you 684 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: trust the data from this the US government in this 685 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: day and age, I don't know. But my point is, 686 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: is it even even in the family court system, which 687 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: has the mission of best interests of the child's first 688 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: and foremost, I mean, clearly the best answer of the 689 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: child or having a loving mother and father involved in 690 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: their lives as much as humanly possible, But rarely is 691 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: that ever the case. And of course you know, I'm 692 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: speaking from a deeply personal experience at least with me 693 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: and my family, but kids in homes without a permanent 694 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: father presence across the board do consistently worse in almost 695 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: every aspect of society. Without the structure of a father, 696 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: they they leave the home, they're more, they're they're they're 697 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: not as likely to graduate from college, They're more likely 698 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: to be depressed, They're more likely to smoke and drink heavily, 699 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: they're more likely to do drugs. The suicide rate for 700 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: children without a permanent father presence or male presence there 701 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: And look, I'm not, I'm not. This is nothing against mothers. 702 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: I guess what I'm building to is that so much 703 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: of this anti narrative, this anti male narrative, has come 704 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: from you know, this movement that that women don't need men. 705 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: You know that that men are successful at the expense 706 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: of women, and vice versa. And in this this this 707 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: discourse pits men against women in a way that I 708 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: just don't think is healthy. Because faith is very important 709 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: to me too, and I happen to believe that we're 710 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: creating in God's image to lift one another up. Like 711 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: what I need from my wife, I need it's truly 712 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: in need. I don't have it, and she brings that 713 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: into our relationship and elevates me as a man. She 714 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: makes me a better person, and I need it. And 715 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: I suppose I'm reminded of all this nick because it's 716 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: somehow I came across a view segment where they were saying, 717 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: like these ladies were saying how they didn't need men, 718 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 1: you know, like, and I just thought to myself, well, 719 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: what a cavalier statement number one, Because I do need 720 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: my wife, Like I told you, she makes me a 721 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: better person in every way, and I'd like to think 722 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: that I make her a better person, you know. But 723 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 1: how do you talk about this with your daughters, Because 724 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: I I've got you know, most of the time in 725 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: my house, I'm surrounded by women. Even all my pets 726 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: are women, for God's sake. So so like I want 727 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: my I want my daughters. I mean, my wife is 728 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: a freaking warrior. If she were alive during Viking times, 729 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: she would be a shield maiden. I mean, she's strong 730 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: and she's fierce, and I want that. I want that 731 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: for my daughters as well. But in this environment which 732 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: you alluded to, where it's almost as like women or 733 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: men are getting successful at the expense of women, which 734 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't believe is the case, how do you do 735 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: that without How do you create a strong, fierce, independent 736 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: woman at the expense of men? Does that make sense? Yeah? 737 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: I think that. 738 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 2: I think it's about recognizing the proper Again, the proper 739 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: roles that we all play within society. And it's a 740 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 2: lot easier for me when you have a biblical worldview 741 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 2: because I'm not operating enough of my authority. This isn't Hey, 742 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 2: I conducted some research in a study, and now this 743 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 2: is the ideal. It's like, No, we have what I 744 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 2: believe is a divinely inspired guy that's provided some good. 745 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, we do have thousands of 746 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 2: years of human history that when it's properly applied, it 747 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 2: seems to work really well for both parties. But yeah, 748 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 2: because because to your point, I mean, here's the more 749 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 2: controversial way to say this, right, I don't understand the 750 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 2: fourth wave feminist movement, which continually says that that women 751 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 2: are you know, and empowered and can do anything and 752 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 2: you know, wonderful, but we can't actually define them. And oh, 753 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 2: by the way, they've been living under the heel of 754 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 2: a patriarchy for all of human civilization. So let me 755 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 2: get this straight. If you've been living under a patriarchy 756 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 2: for all of human civilization, but now you're you're empowered 757 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: at all, how did you manage to do that? If 758 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 2: you still believe you're living in a patriarchy, it's because 759 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 2: there was a lot of men that don't want you 760 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 2: to fail, that don't want you to be in a 761 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: bad position. It's not because women are capable of achieving 762 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 2: things on their own steam. It's because it turns out 763 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 2: that when men and women live in a situation that 764 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 2: is cooperative instead of competitive, we both do better. But 765 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 2: this fantasy land where you know you have a very 766 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 2: I think a smaller subset of women that want to 767 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 2: believe that, well, we don't need men for anything, Well, 768 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 2: that's really convene. And as you're sitting in a building 769 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 2: that was probably made by men, with a police force 770 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 2: that is predominantly composed of men, with the military protecting 771 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 2: that's probably composed of men, with roads that were probably 772 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: built by men, driving a car that was probably manufactured and. 773 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: Built by a guy. 774 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: Is this all because women can't do a lot of 775 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 2: these things? No, and some women do, but the vast 776 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 2: majority don't. They choose to do other things within society. 777 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 2: Almost every teacher I had was a woman, right, Like 778 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 2: almost every nurse I've ever had was a woman. 779 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 1: And so I look at there, it's. 780 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 2: Like it has only been, it has only been lately 781 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 2: that we've tried to completely upend everything. And here's what 782 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 2: I find the most confusing about modern feminism is that 783 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 2: if a woman, fully empowered with every legal right that 784 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 2: she currently has within the United States, which is more 785 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 2: legal rights than anywhere else in the world, chooses to 786 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 2: be a wife and a mother, chooses to be someone 787 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 2: that manages the home, maybe educates the kid, maybe homeschools 788 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 2: the kids and stuff like that, and men like truly 789 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 2: manages that that house maintenance, the upkeep, the whole deal. 790 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 2: Like in our family, that means like we got you know, 791 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 2: gardens and animals and the whole deal. 792 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: Like there's there's a lot of believable amounts of work. Yeah, believable. 793 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 2: How were they treated by feminists? Are they treated by 794 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,439 Speaker 2: feminists as oh yeah, They're not treated like, oh wow, 795 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm so glad that you found a 796 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 2: place that makes you happy, that gives you fulfillment and purpose, 797 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 2: and that you're doing it and you're doing an excellent 798 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: job of it. That's never the stand. Know, the standard 799 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 2: is why aren't you doing something that a man would 800 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 2: have done thirty years ago? Why aren't you doing that? 801 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 2: Why aren't you doing a man's how is it that 802 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 2: fourth wave feminist has has adopted this philosophy that a 803 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 2: woman is only fully living up to her potential if 804 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: she's doing something that feminists perceive as in having been 805 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 2: male dominated previously. But that's that's the only thing they 806 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: give any grace to. And I don't get that. I 807 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 2: take that back. I do get that because I do 808 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 2: believe that modern feminism is very hostile toward the traditional 809 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 2: concept of marriage or the nuclear family. And it makes 810 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 2: sense because feminism as a political movement needs lonely, single, 811 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 2: angry activist women. That's the foot soldiers of their political power, 812 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 2: and so they don't they don't have It's not like 813 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 2: they have a great incentive to create an environment where like, okay, women, 814 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 2: you have all kinds of opportunities now, and then they 815 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 2: choose to be Hey, I want to I want to 816 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 2: raise my kids, and I want to do X, Y 817 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 2: and Z. No, no, no, no, we need you over here. 818 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: We need you. 819 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 2: We need you angry, alone and mad at men, because 820 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 2: that's how we organize political power. 821 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:32,399 Speaker 1: Right. 822 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 2: So again, suffragette feminists totally get it right. We want 823 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 2: equal protection for the law, we want to be able 824 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: to place spend on the political process. We don't want 825 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 2: opportunities to be arbitrarily denied to us because we're women, 826 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 2: totally on board, totally get it modern feminism. 827 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: That is not the goal. 828 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 2: In fact, modern modern feminists despise a homemaker, conservative woman 829 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 2: far more than they do a man who then decides 830 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 2: that they're going to present themselves as a woman and 831 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 2: then win swimming races. I know. 832 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: So it's the if so many of of their world view, 833 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,240 Speaker 1: like much of their world view, is just contradictory, and 834 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: it's like you don't get to have these things both ways. 835 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: Yet like rarely are they called out because you know, frankly, 836 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: you're not even allowed to say some of this stuff anymore. 837 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, without being looked down upon. I mean, like, 838 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there'll be some people in my 839 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: comments talking about how we're misogynists and stuff like that, 840 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: which is just yeah, I suppose you, I suppose you're 841 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: right about that. I mean, I mean, do you so, 842 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: how confident are you that your children are going to 843 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: leave the home and when they are exposed to these 844 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: other influential figures in their life, college professor's bosses, whatever. 845 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: How confident are you that they're going to, you know, 846 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: have this world view that continues to be like as 847 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: similar as yours. Because frankly, Nick, it is I'm amazed. 848 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: I mean not that I didn't think that you are 849 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: capable of this level of depth of thinking. I don't 850 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: take it like that. I just mean like it's it's 851 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: like you showed. 852 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 2: Up thought I was gonna be eating crayons over here. 853 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit, I mean because the red one, 854 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: only because only because I ate them prior to the show. 855 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: But I just, you know, I guess very rarely do 856 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: I meet someone who is in you know, infantry, special 857 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: forces type guy who is in the same place in 858 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: his life raising kids, fully committed to the process, trying 859 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 1: to figure it out, trying to take all of these 860 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: experiences in the military, which looking back are some of 861 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: the best most formative years of my life, just in 862 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: terms of developing me as a young man, as a leader, 863 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: and as a soldier, and then trying to figure out 864 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: how you take all of that wisdom and apply it 865 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: to being a father and a good husband. It's just 866 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: a it's a NonStop, twenty four hours a day, seven 867 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: days a week thing for me. And you've clearly spent 868 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: so much time on this, and you and like when 869 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: you have a bilit from the biblical worldview of the 870 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: nuclear family to standards that everyone in your family seems 871 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: to clearly understand. So you've got this structure in rules 872 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: that people get. How confident are you that when your 873 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: kids leave the nest that they're going to have that 874 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: same or at least similar worldview. 875 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: So I would say, I'm confident, but I'm not arrogant 876 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 2: about it, right, So I'm confident in the sense that 877 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 2: I think we continue to do I think we continue 878 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 2: to work through the process to make sure that they 879 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 2: feel they feel adequately equipped. So, to give you an idea, 880 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 2: both of both of my daughters love theater, so they 881 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,360 Speaker 2: do plays. My oldest daughter has been doing place for 882 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 2: gosh like seven years now. So as you can the 883 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 2: theater world is clearly known as being a bastion of 884 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 2: conservative thoughts. Yeah right. She regularly finds herself because of 885 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 2: because of the work that she does, because of the 886 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 2: work that she does within theater and whatnot, she constantly 887 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 2: finds herself in a situation where she's interacting with people 888 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 2: that have a worldview that in many cases diametrically opposed 889 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 2: to hers. And when she first started doing this and whatnot, 890 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 2: we would come home and like we'd talk about her, 891 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 2: she would she would go through things and talk with 892 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 2: the talk about it with me. Now, again, we homeschooled. Now, 893 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 2: a lot of people think that if you homeschool, that 894 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 2: means you don't expose your kids to anything outside of 895 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 2: the you know, the four walls of your house. That's 896 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 2: that couldn't be further from the truth. But what it 897 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 2: didn't mean is that we were already seen as her educators. 898 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 2: So she it wasn't confusing at all to come out 899 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 2: and ask us questions about philosophy or theology, or history 900 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 2: or anything like that. And we we included them in 901 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 2: conversations when we have debates. In fact, whenever i'd hear 902 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 2: one of my kids, especially when they were younger, whenever 903 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 2: I would hear them regurgitate something that they had heard 904 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 2: me say about politics, or I'd immediately challenge them on it, 905 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 2: like why do you think that, well you know because no, no, no, 906 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,359 Speaker 2: why do you think that, Well, I heard you say it. 907 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 2: That doesn't that okay? You know why I think it? 908 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 2: Why do you think it? That's what I want to know, 909 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 2: because that's what you're going to get asked, because again, 910 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 2: I don't want to train them to just regurgitate the 911 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 2: things that I think a lot of times that what 912 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 2: is very easy to slip into it as a parent 913 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 2: is that rather than teaching them critical thinking and a 914 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 2: comprehensive and you know, intellectually sustainable worldview, what we actually 915 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 2: do is we teach them an incentive structure. So at 916 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,800 Speaker 2: the top of that incentive structure is the authority figure 917 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 2: us and these are the things you do that make 918 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 2: us happy, and these are the things that you do 919 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 2: that make us mad. If you do the happy things, 920 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 2: you get rewarded. You don't got to understand why you're 921 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 2: doing the happy things. The only reason what you have 922 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 2: to understand is I get rewarded if I do the 923 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 2: things that you know makes them happy. Well, again, you 924 00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,720 Speaker 2: go off to college and now all of a sudden, 925 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 2: not only has the authority figure changed, but the incentive 926 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 2: structure has changed. So it was really important for us 927 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 2: for our kids to understand that we believe this because 928 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 2: it's true. Here's the reasons why we think it's true. 929 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 2: Here's the reasons why we think that if you follow 930 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 2: the truth. It will actually provide benefits to you and 931 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 2: your life with respect to your relationships, with respect to 932 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 2: your job, with respect to you know, whatever else you 933 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 2: do in life, in just basic interaction with people. 934 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: And then we challenged it. 935 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 2: We have those moments where we went back and forth, 936 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,760 Speaker 2: and we didn't protect them from going into an environments 937 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 2: where they would be challenged. And what they ended up 938 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 2: doing is they ended up developing this process where they 939 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 2: would interact and they would they would defend what they 940 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 2: believe to people, and they would find different ways to 941 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 2: do it to be more effective, and then they would 942 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 2: come home and talk about it with us because it 943 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 2: was exciting. Oh. We got in this conversation at theater 944 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 2: and we talked about X, Y, and Z, and everybody 945 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 2: was saying this, and you know, instead of instead of 946 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,800 Speaker 2: responding right away, I said, we know, I think that's interesting, 947 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 2: but what. 948 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 1: Do you think about this? 949 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 2: And I got them to look at it from a 950 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 2: different perspective, and then I found out that three other 951 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 2: people actually agreed with me. So they got excited about 952 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 2: that because they experience, like in the military at confidence 953 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 2: targets right when you're when you're training up and you're 954 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 2: operating with with your Iraqis or your Afghan Afghanians or 955 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 2: whatever it is, and you've got like a unit that 956 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 2: isn't well trained, you don't immediately throw them at a complex, 957 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 2: multi story hostage rescue target. Right, you go, You go 958 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 2: with the recon right like, you do something cheasy that 959 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,360 Speaker 2: they can accomplish, get some success, and then start to 960 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 2: feel and then they want to learn more, and then 961 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 2: they're excited about this process. And so thus far I 962 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,720 Speaker 2: can say that, you know, again, my oldest daughter's twenty, 963 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 2: she's been in a lot of environments where her worldview 964 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 2: was challenged on a regular basis, and it doesn't fhase her. 965 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 2: In fact, what she found was that a lot of 966 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 2: her most like what you might consider like very woke, 967 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 2: very liberal, progressive friends. She was the one they all 968 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 2: came to when they wanted sound advice. 969 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: Interesting, when when. 970 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 2: They just wanted to hear you go girls lay queen 971 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 2: the whole they can they can go to anybody for that. 972 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,359 Speaker 1: Late queen. My daughter, My daughter just said that two 973 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: hours ago. I was like, slay, slay queen. 974 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 4: This is how I know You've got guess all, you 975 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 4: know you've got girls when you got girls, but when 976 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,839 Speaker 4: they wanted somebody who they know cared about them, because 977 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,799 Speaker 4: she was always very very good at making sure people 978 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 4: knew that she cared about them. 979 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 2: This is a this is a tougher part for me, 980 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 2: right because we're more kicked down the door, flash banging 981 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 2: the room, and I'll show you how much I care, 982 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 2: you know, three round verse. But yes, she she got 983 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 2: very good at understanding the environment that she was in 984 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 2: was heavily emotional, you know, by by by the nature 985 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 2: of the environment, and so rather than just try to 986 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 2: crush people with her her ability to argue, she really 987 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,879 Speaker 2: focused on making sure people understood that she cared about 988 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,319 Speaker 2: them and that she wanted the best for them. And 989 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 2: then when she gave advice, it was based off of 990 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 2: what she generally thought was the best advice for them, 991 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 2: not whatever popular culture was telling her reinforcing. And so 992 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 2: she created this established relationship up with her friends where 993 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 2: she was the go to person if they wanted the 994 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,320 Speaker 2: hard truth. And once she had worked herself into that role, 995 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 2: it was she was providing value to other people and 996 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 2: it was appreciated. Not to mention the fact that she 997 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 2: also feels, you know, she doesn't have mom and Dad's faith. 998 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 2: She has hers right, that's her relationship with God. We 999 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 2: we might have, we might have showed her the you know, 1000 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 2: that path, but she had Ultimately, they have to choose it, 1001 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 2: just like your son. Ultimately we prepare them for manhood, 1002 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 2: they choose whether or not they're going to enter it. 1003 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,879 Speaker 1: So, I mean, so, how concerned are you about the 1004 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,719 Speaker 1: redefining of words? Because when you're talking about truth, you know, 1005 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,840 Speaker 1: we base things in truth, A part of me feels 1006 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,840 Speaker 1: like that word has lost all meaning. And frankly again, 1007 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's deliberate to erode people's 1008 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 1: sense of north south, like what's crazy and what's not? 1009 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,240 Speaker 1: You know, And because because everything in this world feels 1010 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,799 Speaker 1: completely upside down, you know, when you can't if you 1011 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: can't even define what a woman is like, we've got it. 1012 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: We've got real problems. And so how afraid are you 1013 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: of that? How afraid? Because I mean, that is what 1014 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 1: you know. Not to make this super political, but the 1015 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: left they are experts at taking words and deconstructing them 1016 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: and giving them new meaning. 1017 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,840 Speaker 2: We just did a two hour podcast on postmodernism and deconstructions. 1018 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: So we talked about postmodernism in grad school, and I 1019 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 1: was the only conservve I was in a PhD program, 1020 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: but I was the only conservative in all four years 1021 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: of the program. And these people were obsessed with postmodernism 1022 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: and not even realizing how just dangerous it is. If 1023 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: that's the only world view that through which you see 1024 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 1: the world. 1025 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because postmodernism, though, the way I describe it 1026 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 2: as it's like a universal solvent, where do you keep it? 1027 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,719 Speaker 2: Postmodernism is and build anything. It just critiques what already exists. Well, 1028 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 2: if your only role in life is to critique that 1029 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 2: which exists against some sort of utopian reality that will 1030 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,320 Speaker 2: never exist, well your job's pretty easy. You just can't 1031 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 2: build anything from that. The dumbest thing. Sorry, and this 1032 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 2: sounds very just kind of flipping and pejorative, but that's 1033 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,640 Speaker 2: the way I feel about it. Let me start with this. 1034 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 2: The thing that deconstructionism and postmodernism got right was that 1035 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 2: we should challenge accepted narratives. Right, And if you're questioning 1036 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,400 Speaker 2: that at all, think of about how you felt as 1037 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 2: a conservative when the government decided to come in and 1038 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 2: close down your business and tell you to wear things 1039 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 2: and tell you to do things, and everything else because 1040 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 2: they were the science. That is a narrative you should challenge. 1041 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,440 Speaker 2: That is a narrative that you should attempt to deconstruct 1042 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 2: in order to determine whether or not the people that 1043 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 2: fostered that narrative have your best interest in mind, have 1044 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,239 Speaker 2: done the accurate research and have made it logically and 1045 00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 2: intellectually consistent argument, or if they're potentially excuse me, they're 1046 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,040 Speaker 2: potentially motivated by other things. Right, perfectly fine, nothing wrong 1047 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 2: with that. Where postmodernism like totally fails is that, rather 1048 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 2: than just issue like strong critiques based off of a 1049 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 2: little bit of reasonable skepticism, they then move on to 1050 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 2: this idea that there is no such thing as objective truth? 1051 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:18,720 Speaker 1: Okay? 1052 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 2: Is that true? 1053 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 3: Like? 1054 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,880 Speaker 2: Really, this is the part that I I this is 1055 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 2: the part where when you look at postmodernism as an 1056 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 2: intellectual exercise, it is rank absurdity. There's no such thing 1057 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 2: as truth? 1058 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: Okay? 1059 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,800 Speaker 2: Is it true that there's no such thing as truth? 1060 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:34,359 Speaker 1: Yes? 1061 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,359 Speaker 2: Okay, I guess there is such a thing as truth. 1062 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 2: Wait no, I mean no, Oh, so what you just 1063 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,759 Speaker 2: said was wrong and I don't got to believe it. 1064 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. Is it true that you don't know right. 1065 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,239 Speaker 2: This is so easy to dismantle because it's based off 1066 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 2: of a fundamental premise that is self defeating. It doesn't 1067 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,439 Speaker 2: make sense on its face. And nobody, by the way, 1068 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 2: the most dedicated postmodernist on the planet never lived a 1069 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,880 Speaker 2: single day in their life actually believing in postmodernism, because 1070 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 2: they still got up in the morning, they still went 1071 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 2: out to their car, they still turned the key fully expecting, 1072 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 2: fully expecting that if they walked the way they did yesterday, 1073 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,360 Speaker 2: if they turned the key the way they did yesterday, 1074 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 2: if they drove the same route, the building would still 1075 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 2: be there. They would go in, and the people they 1076 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 2: still work, In fact, the same jackasses that actually wrote 1077 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,840 Speaker 2: down on paper that I love this. This is a 1078 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 2: Jacques Derrati thing. They wrote down this idea that language 1079 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,400 Speaker 2: has no meaning outside of itself, and that the written 1080 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,800 Speaker 2: word is nothing more than an attempt for the author 1081 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 2: to impose their. 1082 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 1: Worldview on you. So you should be very careful of it. 1083 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 2: Really, Jacques, does that apply to the thing you just 1084 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,839 Speaker 2: wrote or is that everybody else? 1085 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Daridian philosophy is it's again, it's a worldview that 1086 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,880 Speaker 1: is wholly inconsistent with actually living in the world, and 1087 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,160 Speaker 1: having real life existential experiences. I here's what I couldn't 1088 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,239 Speaker 1: like what I was living through, where they locked down 1089 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,640 Speaker 1: close small business loved ones have to die alone of 1090 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you can't hold your newborn baby because you know, 1091 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 1: locked down in questioning narratives. The very people who were 1092 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,879 Speaker 1: pushing the trust the science narrative were likely the grad 1093 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,919 Speaker 1: students that were the postmodernists. So wrap your mind around 1094 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:16,399 Speaker 1: that one. 1095 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,319 Speaker 2: Well, that's it, And I think to your point, it's 1096 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,680 Speaker 2: because it isn't about coming up with a coherent set 1097 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,880 Speaker 2: of values or even intellectual convictions which you can live by. 1098 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,200 Speaker 2: It is about the quest for power. Right, that's post modernism. 1099 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,320 Speaker 2: Postmodernism is not used to build anything. Postmodernism is a weapon. 1100 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 2: It is a tool of aggression against every other competing 1101 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,399 Speaker 2: worldview out there, because all it is is this form 1102 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,360 Speaker 2: of like rank skepticism, which says, I'm going to deconstruct 1103 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,399 Speaker 2: everything you say because I have a right to say 1104 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 2: that you're an oppressor and this isn't oppressed, and therefore 1105 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,719 Speaker 2: you using logic reasons, science, or any of those other 1106 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 2: things in order to try to come to a rational 1107 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 2: conclusion is just you using a tool of the patriarch 1108 00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,320 Speaker 2: or to oppress people. 1109 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: Now, now here's what I've ask It's so unbelievably insulting 1110 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,719 Speaker 1: and intellectually lazy. It just is so frustrating, But. 1111 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 2: It provides one major value proposition of the people that 1112 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 2: apply it. It absolves them of responsibility to either come 1113 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,120 Speaker 2: up with something better or to actually do a strong 1114 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,200 Speaker 2: historical comparative comparison between the different systems that we're actually 1115 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,840 Speaker 2: supposed to be analyzing. Right, if all I have to 1116 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 2: do is sit here and lob over, you know, bombs 1117 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,800 Speaker 2: at you, but I don't have to actually provide any 1118 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:40,560 Speaker 2: sort of insight into how things should be run, well 1119 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,160 Speaker 2: that's a great position to have. I mean, you're just 1120 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,400 Speaker 2: you're just the skeptic. That's all you are. You're the 1121 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,480 Speaker 2: you know, you're sitting on the skeptic. You're not responsible 1122 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,760 Speaker 2: for anything exactly exactly. 1123 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,240 Speaker 1: It's easy to be it's easy to be the critic 1124 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,400 Speaker 1: or the skeptic without providing any real recommendations how to 1125 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,920 Speaker 1: build anything in the first place. 1126 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,239 Speaker 2: You know well, and also and also it doesn't in reality, 1127 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 2: but theoretically, if if you're living in a relatively safe, 1128 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,279 Speaker 2: prosperous and secure times like most Americans are. 1129 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:10,640 Speaker 1: Most Americans are. 1130 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,560 Speaker 2: Well, now you've just been told that all of the 1131 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,800 Speaker 2: rules that govern society with respect to what is a man, 1132 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,240 Speaker 2: what does a woman do? We have actual roles in society. 1133 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 2: What is truth? What is good? What is bad? What 1134 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 2: what are what are behaviors? Which are positive and healthy 1135 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,960 Speaker 2: and which ones are hedonistic and destructive? You don't get 1136 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 2: to listen to any of that anymore. You can just 1137 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 2: you can be as hedonistic as you want to be. 1138 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,240 Speaker 2: You can go out there and do whatever you want, 1139 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,360 Speaker 2: experiment with whatever you want. And anybody that has the 1140 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,920 Speaker 2: audacity to suggest to you, hey, that might not be 1141 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 2: a good idea, well, now not only are they wrong, 1142 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,720 Speaker 2: they're upholding tools of the patriarchy. And and so it 1143 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 2: provides this this moral clearance to do a whole bunch 1144 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 2: of things and to recommend things that are absolutely self destructive. 1145 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 2: And the moment the self destructive activity leads to bad results, 1146 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 2: they get to blame everybody but themselves. That can be 1147 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,080 Speaker 2: really icing. 1148 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,480 Speaker 1: It's enticing, I just I do think that it's it's 1149 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 1: also extraordinarily dangerous in a functioning society because it lacks 1150 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,840 Speaker 1: Postmodernists also lack a very real sense of moral clarity. 1151 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,920 Speaker 1: And I had my first experience of this when I 1152 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,440 Speaker 1: came back from Afghanistan Nick, where I was like talking 1153 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,160 Speaker 1: about the what they do to children in that country 1154 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 1: and how they live and how barbaric they are, and 1155 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, our life is better like Western society, and 1156 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 1: what we've built here is better than what they have there, 1157 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,280 Speaker 1: like women have no rights. And to the postmodernists, who 1158 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,720 Speaker 1: I was debating in grad school at the time, it's like, no, no, no, no, no, 1159 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 1: no no, that their culture is just different. They believe 1160 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,440 Speaker 1: different things than you. You know, it's just this whole 1161 00:58:54,520 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: concept of moral relativism erodes people's ability, especially in frassonable children, 1162 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, because we've been talking about raising kids, especially 1163 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 1: impressiable children, about what is good and what is evil. 1164 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,240 Speaker 1: And I am not afraid to tell my children that, Hey, 1165 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,320 Speaker 1: the American way of life, our way of life, while 1166 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 1: not perfect, and we are constantly trying to get better 1167 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,200 Speaker 1: and refine our society and be better, it's better than 1168 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: most other places. But the postmodernists can't do that. They 1169 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,000 Speaker 1: can't do that because everything is relative. Yeah, yeah, well 1170 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 1: it's all relative until they don't want it to be 1171 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,680 Speaker 1: that's that's the right. 1172 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,160 Speaker 2: Every really is like everything's relative except of postmodernism. 1173 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 1: That's that's objectively true, but exactly right. I find it. 1174 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,160 Speaker 2: I find it interesting that every every argument I've ever 1175 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,640 Speaker 2: had with a postmodernist, they will especially when they actually 1176 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,600 Speaker 2: start to talk about how we should organize society, because 1177 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,800 Speaker 2: that's always problematic for them the moment they start, the 1178 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 2: moment they start to create their own meta narrative. Well, 1179 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,680 Speaker 2: but now all of a sudden they have a problem 1180 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 2: because they're not supposed to believe in meta narratives. But 1181 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,120 Speaker 2: what I have found is that they they love logic, science, facts, 1182 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,760 Speaker 2: and reason provided they think they have enough of it 1183 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 2: to support their argument, and so they will rely on 1184 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 2: all of those things in order to try to convince 1185 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,800 Speaker 2: you of a particular course of action. The moment you 1186 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 2: counter that with superior evidence, logic, reason, argumentation, then they 1187 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,400 Speaker 2: go back to being postmodernists again, right, because everybody wants 1188 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:26,960 Speaker 2: to use the tools as long as they think they're 1189 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,680 Speaker 2: in their favorite it's just they have this backup called 1190 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,960 Speaker 2: postmodernism where the moment all of a sudden their arguments 1191 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 2: fall flat, they just get to accuse you of being 1192 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,760 Speaker 2: part of the oppressor cloud. Of course you would say 1193 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,840 Speaker 2: that you're a white heterosexual male. What does that have 1194 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,160 Speaker 2: to do with the marginal tax rate? Well, you know, 1195 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,840 Speaker 2: if I have to explain it to you, then you know. 1196 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,520 Speaker 2: And the real danger in that, the real danger in 1197 01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 2: that long term. 1198 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,240 Speaker 1: Is that if we can't agree to live, if. 1199 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,800 Speaker 2: We can't agree to live in peace with one another, 1200 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,200 Speaker 2: which is to say, I'm not going to try to 1201 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,120 Speaker 2: impose my will on you, you don't try to impose 1202 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 2: your will on me, and we will leave the government 1203 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,760 Speaker 2: limited to handle just very very few things that it 1204 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 2: needs to do. We're not going to make it expansive. 1205 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,200 Speaker 2: But insofar as we do need to decide what the 1206 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,360 Speaker 2: government is going to do, there needs to be a 1207 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,400 Speaker 2: process that both both parties feel comfortable in being able 1208 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,080 Speaker 2: to review evidence, review data, and then come to logical 1209 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,680 Speaker 2: conclusions about courses of action and then analyzing those courses 1210 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,760 Speaker 2: of action in order to determine whether they achieve the 1211 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:29,280 Speaker 2: desired outcomes. Postmodernism doesn't allow for that, So all we're 1212 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 2: left with with postmodernism. And this is going to sound 1213 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,520 Speaker 2: a lot like critical theory and critical race theory and 1214 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:40,000 Speaker 2: queer theory, because it's all connected, it's all interconnected. Well, 1215 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,919 Speaker 2: then what have you left me with? Well, you've left 1216 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,760 Speaker 2: me with your lived experience is supposed to trump any 1217 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,040 Speaker 2: sort of evidence I bring. And if I bring anything, 1218 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,560 Speaker 2: or if I try to, if I try to find 1219 01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,440 Speaker 2: common ground where we can potentially come, I'm acting like 1220 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,760 Speaker 2: an oppressor. What you've just told me is that there 1221 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 2: is no means for you and I to adjudicate differences 1222 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:02,120 Speaker 2: or problems, and that there's no means where we can 1223 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,680 Speaker 2: just leave each other alone. You want me to do 1224 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 2: certain things, you want me to hand over certain rights, 1225 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,560 Speaker 2: You want to be able to confiscate things that belong 1226 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,600 Speaker 2: to me, And if I don't comply, you're gonna come 1227 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,280 Speaker 2: at me with a whole lot of force and coercion. 1228 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,640 Speaker 2: And because we have no peaceful means for adjudicating this 1229 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 2: other than me surrendering, what does that leave me at? 1230 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,920 Speaker 2: Because I'll tell you this much, I'm not surrendering. And 1231 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,480 Speaker 2: that's the real problem with this philosophy that has just 1232 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,920 Speaker 2: captured so many, so many people, is that for all 1233 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,080 Speaker 2: their talk of, you know, tolerance and acceptance and diversity, 1234 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,240 Speaker 2: what it really leads to, inevitably is violence as the only, 1235 01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,160 Speaker 2: the only final way to adjudicate problems, and I don't 1236 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,280 Speaker 2: want that to take place. This is the thing so 1237 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,640 Speaker 2: many other people talk about this very cavalierly. You and 1238 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,480 Speaker 2: I have been to war. We've seen what it looks like. 1239 01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,440 Speaker 2: We don't want it in our neighborhoods. But by the 1240 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,200 Speaker 2: same token, don't think for a second we're going to 1241 01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 2: roll over and allow this philosophy to predominate and take 1242 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,560 Speaker 2: over and destroy. What I agree with you has been 1243 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,400 Speaker 2: the best demonstration of human history of what a peaceful, 1244 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,640 Speaker 2: prosperous and free society can actually look like. 1245 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,240 Speaker 1: Man, Nick, I've had you for over an hour, and 1246 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I'm in a respect her time, 1247 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,640 Speaker 1: but I would love to have you back to actually 1248 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 1: talk about your military service, if that's okay with you. 1249 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 1: I know, I know that you're like very I know 1250 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 1: you're very, very busy. I mean, but I went to 1251 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,560 Speaker 1: grad school and we part of like in a PhD. 1252 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,560 Speaker 1: And we studied a lot of existential phenomenology and all 1253 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,840 Speaker 1: of these philosophers, and I could never get on board 1254 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,720 Speaker 1: with their worldview, not most of them, anyway, And I 1255 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,800 Speaker 1: just always thought it was a little bit crazy because 1256 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 1: they all lacked a distinct sense of structure, logic, reasoning, 1257 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,960 Speaker 1: moral clarity, and at the end of the day, prioritize 1258 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,320 Speaker 1: self over everything else. And what I've learned in my 1259 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,720 Speaker 1: life is that you know, the pathway to a meaningful 1260 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,480 Speaker 1: life is through service and acts of kindness to others. 1261 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,960 Speaker 1: And that path is probably simplistic, but the path, the 1262 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,400 Speaker 1: road to unhappiness is paved with entitlement, thinking like the 1263 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,120 Speaker 1: world somehow owes you something that you were here to 1264 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,360 Speaker 1: take from other people. And I just fundamentally disagree with that. 1265 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,080 Speaker 1: And I think so much of our culture. When you 1266 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,440 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, so much of our culture just 1267 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 1: discarding it. I completely agree. And I think for me anyway, 1268 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,040 Speaker 1: the reason for that is is a focus on me, me, me, me, 1269 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,760 Speaker 1: and I loathe that. And I don't want my kids 1270 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:41,280 Speaker 1: to believe in that trash either. So I can't believe 1271 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,400 Speaker 1: that our conversation went this way, but I'm glad it did. 1272 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad it did because I can guarantee you that 1273 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,439 Speaker 1: there are lots of dads out there, some of whom 1274 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,600 Speaker 1: are combat veteran, some of whom are police officers, firefighters, whatever, 1275 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,760 Speaker 1: or just dads just trying to be better dads trying 1276 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,400 Speaker 1: to figure this out that they're going to get something 1277 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,240 Speaker 1: from this conversation. So Nick, thank you. 1278 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,120 Speaker 2: I Reallycia pleasure Shaw. It's great to see again. Brother. 1279 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 1: Okay, everybody that's a rap with Nick freedis amazing, show, 1280 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,520 Speaker 1: amazing guy. I had no idea we were going to 1281 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,520 Speaker 1: go down that path about talking about raising kids and 1282 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,240 Speaker 1: what it's like to be you know, combat veterans and 1283 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,840 Speaker 1: raising daughters. It's really a strange thing taking those leadership 1284 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,560 Speaker 1: lessons that you learn on the battlefield being a noncommissioned 1285 01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,640 Speaker 1: officer an officer, and then applying them to being a 1286 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,840 Speaker 1: father and a family with small children, boys or girls. 1287 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,920 Speaker 1: As challengings. I think for it's for fathers. It's it's 1288 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,080 Speaker 1: all the more challenging when you're raising daughters because you 1289 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,960 Speaker 1: want to make sure that you're that you're there for them, 1290 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,360 Speaker 1: that you're listening, that you're doing all the things necessary 1291 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,840 Speaker 1: to set them up for success in life. So unexpected 1292 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,520 Speaker 1: path we went down, but I was glad to have 1293 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,200 Speaker 1: that conversation with Nick. As usual, if you like the 1294 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,080 Speaker 1: content that you just watched or you listen to, please 1295 01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,360 Speaker 1: make sure that you subscribe to the podcastch exclusively on 1296 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,440 Speaker 1: Rumble for the live stream. I'm also available anywhere you 1297 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,120 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts, so like, subscribe, leave comments, or if 1298 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,600 Speaker 1: you're on Rumble, like the little like button. Rumble Like 1299 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,960 Speaker 1: click the Rumble button because it helps us with all 1300 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,800 Speaker 1: this algorithm stuff that I don't quite understand. 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