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Speaker 3: great Fourth of July if you're heading out of town,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna give you a chance to win some money.

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Speaker 3: John Lewin's gonna join us. LA Deputy dish Attorney is

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Speaker 3: going to talk about that mysterious case of the people

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Speaker 3: who broke into mayor at the time candidate but Mayor

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Speaker 3: Karen Bass's house and stole two guns and they go

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Speaker 3: to the Who's Gow, and he's gonna talk to us

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Speaker 3: about why that's happening. And of course Narkan has become

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Speaker 3: a staple of American life, which is tragic, and yet

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Speaker 3: it's a life saver, so I suppose it's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: But how did we get to the point where it's

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Speaker 3: going to be sold commercial stores and stored as part

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Speaker 4: Like band aids.

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Speaker 3: And you know that's where we're at right now with

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Speaker 3: this terrible opioid addiction. And the missus Penny Piter will

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Speaker 3: join join us in just a bit to talk about

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Speaker 3: the late great Alan Arkins. She played Alan Arkins daughter

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Speaker 3: in The in Law is one of the classic AFI

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Speaker 3: fifty greatest comedies ever made. Wonderful actor. So we get

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Speaker 3: it all that, but I wanted to talk about something.

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Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, I drove to Van Nuy's

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Speaker 4: I play old man softball, so we had a pickup game.

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Speaker 3: I left the house at eight in the morning, which

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Speaker 3: the one on one was extra groucy, so ways sent

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Speaker 3: me meandering through a labyrinth of surface streets, including a

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Speaker 3: Van Nuys Boulevard now Vanuy's Boulevard. At one point in

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Speaker 3: our distant past was sort of like the postcard of

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Speaker 3: life in the San Fernanda Valley of southern California. It's

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Speaker 3: where people cruised on weekend nights, and teenagers went out

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Speaker 3: to make out in cars, and there was shops and

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Speaker 3: elegant people buying handbags, and men were wearing snap brim hats. Now,

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Speaker 3: this is a long time ago, and I want to

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Speaker 3: qualify all of this by saying I'm not a nostalgic person.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as a general, I don't think that we're

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Speaker 3: And by the way, nobody thought it was a golden

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Speaker 3: the fifties were waiting for Russian nuclear bombs to wipe

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Speaker 3: us out. You know, it wasn't a golden pass if

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Speaker 3: you were a person of color. There were lots and

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Speaker 3: lots of things about the past that sucked. Okay, But

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Speaker 3: with that said, there's lots of things about today that suck.

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Speaker 4: And this was an eye opener for me.

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Speaker 3: So I'm heading down Van Eys Boulevard on a weekday morning,

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Speaker 3: and the ride down Van Eys was a journey through

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Speaker 3: a dystopian gauntlet of boarded up storefronts. Abandoned sofas were

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Speaker 4: And this was the real eye opener. There's an X ray.

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Speaker 3: There's a dirty bookstore on the corner of I think

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Speaker 4: You know what it is, right, aver, I went and

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Speaker 4: I went to school. I know exactly what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: But my X rated video store was there. It's boarded up,

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Speaker 3: it's closed down. Now when the dirty bookstore, when a

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Speaker 4: They can't even get perverts.

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Speaker 3: So, being a man of certain years and having chugged

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Speaker 3: me in and asked if I wanted wanted the Shepherd's Pie,

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Speaker 3: All right, Now, I got to call the wife, and

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Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, you got to come down here in

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Speaker 3: Well, now here's the reason that I'm telling you this story.

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Speaker 3: Had the traffic not been awful, I might not have

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Speaker 3: not gone in at all. Right, So there's a hundred

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Speaker 3: things that could have gone differently, that would have prevented

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Speaker 3: that's exactly how Van Nuys Boulevard ended up the way

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Speaker 3: it is right now. It's not one thing, it's a

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Speaker 3: hundred things that led to Van Eys Boulevard looking like

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Speaker 4: Back in the.

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Speaker 3: American graffiti days of car and sockhops, Vannays Boulevard, as

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Speaker 3: I said, was where the cool kids congregated for burgers

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Speaker 3: and cokes, cruising and kissing. Men shop for slacks and fedoras,

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Speaker 3: nobody's moving in and why would they. Well, like my

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Speaker 3: and frankly, it's happening all over America. And you know

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Speaker 3: urban decay. We've been talking about this for fifty years,

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Speaker 3: maybe more. I remember being in Utica, New York, Upstate

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Speaker 3: But how does it happen? Well, lots of things caused

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Speaker 3: Then the Internet came along and they crushed what was

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Speaker 3: put a torpedo into the malls too. So why fight

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Speaker 3: traffic at risk a ticket at a parking meter? Why

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Speaker 3: get hit up by panhandler who's begging? Why fall victim

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Speaker 3: you know, stop cruising. The stores started failing, and the

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Speaker 3: landlords lost their shirts, buildings started to decay, and our

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Speaker 3: city councilors and our mayors ignored it all. They ignored

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Speaker 3: the pleas for help, first at English, then they ignored

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Speaker 3: the police for help in Spanish, and now they ignored

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Speaker 3: the police for help in every language. They just let

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Speaker 3: it happen. And the irony is Vannys Boulevard. There's all

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Speaker 4: It really is.

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Speaker 3: Somebody from out of town driving down Vannuys Boulevard. This

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Speaker 3: the other, and La Mayor Karen Bess should take the

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Speaker 4: But here's the problem.

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Speaker 3: If the mayor takes us up on this and she

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Speaker 3: city of La and America in general looks way different

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Speaker 3: either side. All right, Penny Pies are coming up. We're

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Speaker 4: All right, in a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit, we're gonna talk with LA District Deputy Dish Attorney

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Speaker 3: and we'll also talk about narcn in stores, run down

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Speaker 3: came last night that the great Alan Arkin died at

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Speaker 3: eighty nine years of age. And you may have seen

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Speaker 3: him recently in The Kamiski Method, but he starred over

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Speaker 3: a very very long career in just a remarkable string,

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Speaker 3: comedies ever made in the nineteen seventies, The in Laws,

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Speaker 3: And as it turns out, he's always been sort of

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Speaker 3: personal in our house because my wife Penny Peyser was

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Speaker 3: worked without Ellen and remained friends with Alan over his

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Speaker 4: Welcome aboard, Penny.

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Speaker 6: Piezer, Hi, Doug, how you doing good?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us, and you know of all

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Speaker 3: the things that you did, Penny, all the President's Men,

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Speaker 3: The Frisco Kid, which is another film that's very popular

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Speaker 3: they've held up. The in Laws is a top fifty

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Speaker 3: all time Great comedy as selected by AFI, and we

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Speaker 3: just saw it playing on those that big screen at

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Speaker 3: the Chinese Theater with an audience a lot of people

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Speaker 3: had not seen the film back in the seventies, and

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Speaker 3: they it just killed big laughs.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it really. It was just one of those

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Speaker 6: one of those little miracles, and it was a little

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Speaker 6: miracle that I got to participate.

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Speaker 3: So well, let's start with that story, because it's a

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Speaker 3: good story. You auditioned for that movie and you didn't

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Speaker 3: And Alan actually wrote an endorsement for your.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is a really bizarre story too, because Alan,

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Speaker 6: Gotten that too. I had no idea it is today.

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Speaker 6: He was actually in the production the play Room Service

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Speaker 3: Where was I by the way, I got kicked out

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Speaker 6: And don't I get pleasure If.

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Speaker 3: You want to get Penny's book Amazon dot com Sounds

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Speaker 3: from Suburbia more Candles than Cake and can read Alan's endorsement.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Penny appreciated. Coming up, we're gonna go

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Speaker 3: LA Deputy dis Attorney.

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Speaker 3: Conway Junior coming up at four o'clock and if you're

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Speaker 3: of July. Come back with all your fingers and your eyebrows, please,

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Speaker 3: all right, ladies and gentlemen. On September ninth, burglars broke

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Speaker 3: and they stole two handguns identified as thirty eight caliber revolvers.

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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to welcome LA Deputy dishct attorney, the

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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to welcome the show, John Lewin, John,

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Speaker 3: how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Doug. So let me ask your question

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Speaker 2: very simply. The reason why they went to prison is

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Speaker 2: In a normal case, nobody goes to prison. Trust me,

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Speaker 2: I run a calendar ever since I was the subject

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Speaker 2: And what happens day after day after day is George

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Speaker 2: the presumptive is no bail, you get out. It's so bad, Doug,

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Speaker 3: Now, John, one of the mysteries about this case is,

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Speaker 2: Doug, I have no information whatsoever regarding how this crime

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Speaker 2: Because George Gascon won't file any gang allegations, because George

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Speaker 2: George gascon Doug. This is who he is, this is

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Speaker 2: what he does, and this is why our county right

436
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Speaker 2: now is an absolute war zone. And we'd love to

437
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Speaker 2: tell George about it. But he never shows up for work.

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Speaker 2: You don't see him. His chief deputy apparently commutes from

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Speaker 2: San Francisco at least a part of the week. He's

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Speaker 2: got an X grade two, a guy who had four

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Speaker 2: trials and was in his early thirties when he was

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Speaker 2: named the chief deputy in the office. He appears to

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Speaker 2: be running things.

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Speaker 6: As chief of staff.

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Speaker 2: That's when he's not getting a arrested. As you're aware,

446
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Speaker 2: this was publicized, getting arrested for an incident where he

447
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: says police committed misconduct, he has a videotape, and then

448
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: he never turns that videotape over, even though under the

449
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Speaker 2: law it is a felony for us if we have

450
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Speaker 2: that type of Brady exculpatory evidence and do not turn

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Speaker 2: it over. It's been two years now when George Gascon

452
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Speaker 2: won't answer any questions. He has an Instagram thing. He

453
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Speaker 2: loves social media, and he has an Instagram thing called

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Speaker 2: ask the da. I've asked thirty questions. Any guests, doug

455
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Speaker 2: on how many questions have been answered?

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing he's like the New York Mets offense over thirty.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, even the Mets, even the Mets in their

459
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Speaker 2: worst years, get more hits than this guy does. He

460
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Speaker 2: had no response, nothing, absolutely zero. Now on the plus side,

461
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Speaker 2: I do hear from George Gasco I want to bush prisons.

462
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Speaker 2: I had the nerve to apparently repeat what they've said,

463
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Speaker 2: and they are now accusing me of racial animus. So

464
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Speaker 2: that's the world we live in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's it's quite a world. It's an amazing world.

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Speaker 5: John.

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Speaker 3: When the person who is the mayor of the city

468
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Speaker 3: of Los Angeles can have the house broken into, a

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Speaker 3: weapon stolen, and we literally have no reporting.

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Speaker 4: On what the nature of the actual crime was.

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Speaker 3: You'd think that people would want that information in addition

472
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Speaker 3: to an actual justice system that produces justice. John, thanks

473
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: so much for all you do. We appreciate you being

474
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Speaker 3: with us. That's John Lewin, LA Deputy, just an attorney

475
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Speaker 3: calling on his own time.

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Speaker 2: By yeahud Doug. We got to get John McKinney elected

477
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Speaker 2: District Attorney of this county. This is an African American

478
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 2: Democrat who can turn this county and this office around.

479
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 2: People need to get angry, and they need to get active,

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Speaker 2: and they need to do it yesterday.

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Speaker 4: All right, John having me, thanks for coming on with us.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI.

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Speaker 3: A Let me, because I'm running out of time here,

485
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 3: let me thank everybody here at KFI, Ray Lopez and

486
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Speaker 3: Eric and the whole gang, Debra Mark, everybody in the

487
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Speaker 3: newsroom for making it possible for me to come in

488
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Speaker 3: here and squat for a couple of days. And you know,

489
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Speaker 3: the court order just came in. The Supreme Court also

490
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Speaker 3: ruled I have to leave, so I'll be out of

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Speaker 3: here after this. But it's been really fun getting a

492
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Speaker 3: chance to sit in here and play with all of

493
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Speaker 3: you and appreciate it very much.

494
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Speaker 4: By the way, if you want to come out and.

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Speaker 3: Say hello, I'm going to be at Barnes and Noble

496
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Speaker 3: right at the Grove Farmers Market in the middle of

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Speaker 3: LA on July sixteenth, my debut novel, Frank's Shadow. We'll

498
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Speaker 3: be doing a reading and a book signing, so come

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Speaker 3: on out and say hello from seven to nine pm.

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Speaker 3: If you can't make that, I'll be at Gatspiz in

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Speaker 3: Long Beach on July twenty second at noon, Pages a

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Speaker 3: bookstore on July twenty sixth, and Barnes and Noble at

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Speaker 3: the Irvine Spectrum in August second, and Romans in Pasadena

504
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Speaker 3: on August ninth. And you can always buy it at

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Speaker 3: Amazon dot Com or Barnes and Noble. This is a

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Speaker 3: fascinating story. It's a sad commentary on how far we

507
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 3: have sunk as a people. San Francisco could become the

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Speaker 3: first city in the country to require every pharmacy within

509
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Speaker 3: its boundaries to always carry narcon, you know, the anti

510
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: overdose drug attributable to the fentanyl epidemic. Over seventy percent

511
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Speaker 3: of the six hundred and forty seven accidental deaths in

512
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Speaker 3: San Francisco in twenty two were attributable to fentanyl.

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Speaker 4: This is happening everywhere. It's a catastrophe.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know what it is about modern life

515
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Speaker 3: in this country that makes so many people destroy their

516
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Speaker 3: lives on these clearly lethal drugs, and we get away

517
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Speaker 3: with it. The opioid addiction, whether it's Purdue Pharma, or

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Speaker 3: the open borders or Lucy Goosey district attorneys that let

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Speaker 3: people out of jail. It's a catastrophe that's killing more

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00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: people every year than we lost in ten years in Vietnam,

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Speaker 3: and we just allow it to happen.

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Speaker 4: It's outrageous. Speaking of outrageous, thank you, buddy.

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Speaker 7: Well, you're an ex smoker, right, so you come from

524
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 7: that perspective of you know, I got my life together,

525
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 7: you should too, right, well, preachy on that.

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Speaker 1: I tug back and tired.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the word is hypocrisy. No Ah, timmy good?

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Speaker 1: Are you?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 7: I hope a million people show up to buy that book.

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00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: Ears, I'll settle for five, Is that right?

533
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Speaker 1: All right? Bet? You're all over the place of that book, though.

534
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Speaker 3: Well I got to it took me twenty five years

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Speaker 3: to get the damn thing published.

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Speaker 4: So here's the thing.

537
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Speaker 1: How been writing it?

538
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 4: Literally? I started in nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 7: Oh so you had to go in and che and

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Speaker 7: read and reverse and check references.

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Speaker 4: Well you know what happens, because you.

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Speaker 7: Can get you can get canceled for crap, you said

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Speaker 7: ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: No, but here's the thing. It's set in nineteen ninety eight,

545
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Speaker 3: so I could do whatever I want. But here's the thing.

546
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: Because it took me a quarter century to finish it.

547
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: Whatever it said about me as a novelist prolific is

548
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Speaker 3: not going to be one of us. Because my next book,

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Speaker 3: the next book, it's going to debut it far as Lawn.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you a quick story about writing a book.

551
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Speaker 7: My dad wrote a book after being years of hounded

552
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Speaker 7: and hounded.

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Speaker 5: I have it.

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Speaker 7: Oh, good for you, okay, And he sold out so quickly,

555
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Speaker 7: and he sold so many of them that they asked

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Speaker 7: for a second book.

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Speaker 1: Right, a second book. They're gonna write a second book.

558
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Speaker 1: So my dad said, a good idea.

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Speaker 7: So he sits down in his typewriter and he writes

560
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Speaker 7: for a week and he gives it to Charlene, my stepmother,

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Speaker 7: and she's the greatest critic because she'll tell him if

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Speaker 7: it sucks, orf, it's great, whatever, And she said, it's fantastic,

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Speaker 7: it's it's the greatest some of the greatest stuff you've

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Speaker 7: ever written. One downside though it's all in your first book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he wrote it twice. He wrote the same book twice.

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Speaker 1: So he said he had a great point.

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Speaker 7: Here's look, if I don't remember it's in the book,

568
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Speaker 7: then the people buying you aren't gonna remember.

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Speaker 3: Son.

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Speaker 4: How do you argue with that?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you just put another cover on it and

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Speaker 1: let it go.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe my next book will be called Earl's Shadow,

574
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Speaker 3: just cross out all the Franks.

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Speaker 7: What is this book about? Well, since you have a

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Speaker 7: huge audience, I k if I can tell us.

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Speaker 3: I had a friend whose dad the same day Frank

578
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: Sinatra died. Oh, and they were approximately the same age.

579
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: And I started to think about and you're the perfect

580
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: person to talk about this because you're a very famous father.

581
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Speaker 3: That's right, the way the way we value lives. That

582
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Speaker 3: one death was satellite news ricocheting around the world, and

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Speaker 3: the other guy's death was in the back of the

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Speaker 3: paper by the racing results of mattress Ads, and they

585
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Speaker 3: had to pay to put him there. So that's really

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Speaker 3: what the book started. Bout I wrote a story about

587
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: a guy who goes home to bury his dad and

588
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Speaker 3: he realizes a tasked with the obiti with the eulogy,

589
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Speaker 3: that he knows everything about Frank Sinatra down to he

590
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Speaker 3: was a Forceps baby, but he knows nothing about really

591
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Speaker 3: his own father, and he tries to go discover who is.

592
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Speaker 3: But you know, we had this in the house because Penny,

593
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Speaker 3: my wife, Penny Peyser, was friends with Alan Arkins. So

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Speaker 3: we learned that Alan Arkin died on the news, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, And that's what happens with fame. It's an

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Speaker 3: odd in this town in particular, we have a strange

597
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: relationship with fame because you know a lot of people.

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00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: You can easily know people who are famous personally.

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Speaker 7: And then during the pandemic, you didn't have time to

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Speaker 7: read about other people's desks because people in your house

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Speaker 7: were dying.

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Speaker 4: That's absolutely true.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it's funny you should say that because I

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Speaker 3: remember having this conversation with a couple of friends that

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Speaker 3: that that.

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Speaker 4: The pandemic, COVID devalued.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah right, you know, like legends like Carl

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Speaker 3: Reiner died during the pandemic. If Carl Reiner had died

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Speaker 3: under normal times, the town would have shut down. We

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Speaker 3: would have seen memorial services and everywhere else. But now

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Speaker 3: grandmother died, you're you know, people were dining all over

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Speaker 3: the place. So it kind of just became this fatalistic acceptance.

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Speaker 7: And then you read articles now, or you read stuff

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Speaker 7: about celebrities and they'll say, like, for instance, like Adam

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Speaker 7: Ridged the kid on eight is enough and.

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Speaker 1: You go, oh, I wonder what he's doing. Look, oh

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Speaker 1: he's dead.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they just vanished he.

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Speaker 1: Died during the pandemic. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 4: Now I got to vanish. What do you got coming

621
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Speaker 4: up in the show?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what did they do to do any.

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Speaker 4: Show prep at all, anything other than.

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Speaker 7: Parlex Alex Michaelson's coming on Hannah.

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Speaker 1: She's a kid Belly, is that right?

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Speaker 7: That's that kid who we had in here and she

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Speaker 7: was like eight or nine years old.

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Speaker 1: Now she's become like a big singer.

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Speaker 7: Yes, And we literally had on the show like thirteen

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Speaker 7: or fourteen.

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Speaker 4: You launched a career. Clearly, I could she owes it

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Speaker 4: all to you.

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Speaker 7: If there were two girls in here and said one

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Speaker 7: of them is hand, I'm like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell them and I don't know. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea who that is.

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Speaker 4: Well, you gotta find out.

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Speaker 7: On the tim COT's right, said Billy Ray is coming

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Speaker 7: out to talk about the strike.

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Speaker 4: Whow the how fascinating.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: I got to talk to you about that. All right,

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Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, thank you. I'm getting out of here

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Speaker 3: back time.

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Speaker 4: You're great.

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Speaker 3: There's kf I AM six forty live everywhere on the

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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show.

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Speaker 7: six forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday,

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