Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2: Mallory and it's your boy, my son in general, we
Speaker 2: are your host of t M I Tamika and my
Speaker 2: Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration.
Speaker 1: New Name, New Energy.
Speaker 3: What's going on, Tamika D. Mallory.
Speaker 4: Life is happening life, It's life in yes, cut, I'm
Speaker 4: in a real good period in my life. I was
Speaker 4: having such a good time these last few days, even
Speaker 4: though I don't know, like it's a lot of problems
Speaker 4: going on. But if you, you know, if you got
Speaker 4: good friends and good people around you, you still can
Speaker 4: figure out how to create like these slither moments, real
Speaker 4: small moments of peace and joy.
Speaker 2: I'm dealing with teenagers, you know, so that's male. Teenagers
Speaker 2: are very strange thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's thirteen thirty girls, you know, thirteen fourteen year old.
Speaker 2: They have this mindset. So I got my son who's
Speaker 2: about to be fourteen, and then my nephew is about
Speaker 2: to be thirteen. And then my other two's my other
Speaker 2: son who's eleven, and my other nephew that is I
Speaker 2: think nine or ten. So all of these boys, and
Speaker 2: it's just dealing with all of these energies and it's
Speaker 2: just a lot. But you know, I'm loving it because
Speaker 2: you know, you just gotta I love molding young men.
Speaker 2: I love watching young boys grow into young men. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of times they hard headed, but then they
Speaker 2: get very attentive and they pay attention to things that
Speaker 2: you don't think they're paying attention to. So just watching
Speaker 2: it's crazy that all for of these boys is at
Speaker 2: like different stages. And they're like one between one and
Speaker 2: two years apart, so they're at different stages and you
Speaker 2: just see the different stages in each of them.
Speaker 3: So it's a thing watching that.
Speaker 2: So that's been pretty much with Yeah, that's pretty much
Speaker 2: what I've been dealing with for this.
Speaker 4: Nothing better than cousins though, Like cousins are the best
Speaker 4: because even your siblings fight.
Speaker 1: You don't always agree, you know, but they.
Speaker 3: All fight though, But like what happens.
Speaker 2: What happens is that the cousins fight against the kids,
Speaker 2: like the brothers, Like the cousins will join forces against
Speaker 2: the little brothers, like the big cousins George forced against
Speaker 2: the little brothers, and they all start picking on the
Speaker 2: little ones and then you gotta fight and then they
Speaker 2: join together and just it's just be too much.
Speaker 3: It's a lot going on.
Speaker 4: It's politics. Everything is political. Everything even kids hanging out
Speaker 4: its political. But it's still like I just think about
Speaker 4: during the summertime, getting to go to my cousin's house
Speaker 4: in the stadium and go.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't care, and they would treat me
Speaker 1: so bad.
Speaker 4: Sometimes some of my cousins would treat me so bad
Speaker 4: and guess what, you know.
Speaker 1: And I was also talkative.
Speaker 4: I thought I was smart, I knew everything, so they
Speaker 4: would treat me pretty bad.
Speaker 1: But I still wanted to go. I don't care. I
Speaker 1: still wanted to be under them.
Speaker 3: They want you to be quiet, I want you to stop.
Speaker 1: More than that, it was more than that. It was
Speaker 1: more than that kids be just mean.
Speaker 2: Your kids are definits these kids say to each other.
Speaker 2: It's just like yeah, but you.
Speaker 4: Know, I'm still Probably maybe I was a mean cousin
Speaker 4: to it, so maybe it wasn't. I don't know, though
Speaker 4: I don't think I was really mean to my younger cousins.
Speaker 3: I don't think I was.
Speaker 1: We still got in a mischief.
Speaker 2: It was a couple of my cousins that was really
Speaker 2: mean to me, and like I always kept getting back,
Speaker 2: Like I used to tell them I don't want to
Speaker 2: go there ever. Again, some of them I wanted to
Speaker 2: hang around. Like it was a couple of my cousins
Speaker 2: that was real cool, that we always had good times,
Speaker 2: but it was a couple of them, I don't want
Speaker 2: nothing to do. And this girl it was girls too.
Speaker 2: The girls cousins was way meaner than my boy cousins
Speaker 2: was to me. So I had an issue with that,
Speaker 2: but I grew out of it and we're kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, cool, now, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: So we are still doing our pull Up for p series.
Speaker 2: You know, last week we had Lakeisha Yuri and our
Speaker 2: brother at Mitchell Man in their interview cre At in
Speaker 2: his campaign and we talked about their book and the
Speaker 2: work that they do and it was a very dope interview.
Speaker 2: So if you didn't see it, go back and watch that.
Speaker 2: And today we got another person who was at the
Speaker 2: Pull Up for Peace conference who is a hip hop
Speaker 2: legend historian.
Speaker 3: He's an educator.
Speaker 2: You know, he is definitely one of the premier people
Speaker 2: when you talk about what's going on in New York.
Speaker 2: You know, he's one of the founders of twenty four
Speaker 2: hours of Piece, you know, and he's a friend of ours,
Speaker 2: you know, Hakeem Green from Channel Live, the legendary group
Speaker 2: Channel Live. So that will be the interview that features today,
Speaker 2: the interview that I have because you weren't there.
Speaker 3: You was going handling something else, so I said.
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of it though I was there.
Speaker 1: In and out.
Speaker 3: Okay, well I sat down.
Speaker 1: It was a great interview.
Speaker 4: I mean, all the content from Pull Up for Peace
Speaker 4: has been powerful, and I'm so thankful to Jamilla, doctor Jimillar, T. Davis,
Speaker 4: and to our team Janis Rodriguez and others that we
Speaker 4: were able to do that. Because there's one thing to
Speaker 4: bring people into the studio or to you know, do
Speaker 4: a zoom interview, but it's something else to be able
Speaker 4: to pull people right in the midst of them doing
Speaker 4: their work when they're feeling inspired or maybe even feeling
Speaker 4: upset or whatever they're experiencing, to be able to share
Speaker 4: with them in the moment, and Pull Up for Peace
Speaker 4: with such a sacred space where people anybody who was
Speaker 4: there it should have been. You can't always say what
Speaker 4: everybody is going to do, because that's not a thing.
Speaker 4: Everybody doesn't do any one thing at any particular time.
Speaker 4: But the majority of the people who showed up for
Speaker 4: pull Up for Peace were there for a progressive reason,
Speaker 4: for a positive engagement with other people who are putting
Speaker 4: their lives on the line to address the needs of
Speaker 4: our community. And I think, you know, being able to
Speaker 4: give space to something like that, it's powerful that. Until
Speaker 4: Freedom was a part of it, we had a beautiful
Speaker 4: white party that.
Speaker 1: Was amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 4: And Haiken was there at the white party with us, so,
Speaker 4: you know, and and what people say, what is a party? Yeah,
Speaker 4: the conference was long. The conference had many pieces. Until
Speaker 4: Freedom had panels, we were involved in multiple discussions. You know,
Speaker 4: we helped with with the curating some of the ideas
Speaker 4: around that. But our people deserve enjoyment also, that's.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what the conference is.
Speaker 2: If you look at most of the conference I'm going to,
Speaker 2: there is a plethora of information, education, building next steps.
Speaker 2: And during the nighttime there's parties, there's things to unwind.
Speaker 2: You don't want to nobody wants to feel all stuffy
Speaker 2: all the time, you.
Speaker 1: Know, stuffy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had Janis came to some of the parties.
Speaker 2: She was outside with us. She had a little white
Speaker 2: outfit or.
Speaker 4: A right she just happened to have white pack because
Speaker 4: be sure didn't take the time to explain all of
Speaker 4: the They were just like meet us in Atlantic City, We.
Speaker 3: Got you a peace.
Speaker 4: But it was actually a really good conference, and I
Speaker 4: think the content is so strong. I can't wait to
Speaker 4: see the documentary or the little docuseries, not little, the
Speaker 4: docuseries that comes out from the conference.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4: So that's gonna be our interview for today, Hakeem Green.
Speaker 4: But before that, we got to get into some topics.
Speaker 4: So much stuff happening. Oh my mama, you could just
Speaker 4: take a piece some straws and pick one and say
Speaker 4: what you want to deal with today, because there's so
Speaker 4: much that's happening. And I think, you know, we've been
Speaker 4: saying a big part of what's going on in this
Speaker 4: nation is to keep people distracted by having everybody spending
Speaker 4: in a cycle that every day is something different.
Speaker 1: You know, you're fighting on every end.
Speaker 4: And we also have things we're dealing with just in
Speaker 4: our local cities.
Speaker 1: And I hope that folks.
Speaker 4: Around the country are paying attention to their local politics
Speaker 4: while this national stuff is happening because the Big nasty,
Speaker 4: disgusting Billionaire Bill, the BBL, could not have passed without
Speaker 4: local politicians voting for it. So you could sit and
Speaker 4: say Trump because Trump has a mindset that is the
Speaker 4: is the the spirit behind some of this cruel and
Speaker 4: disgusting behavior. Nonetheless, people can stop it if they want to.
Speaker 4: And so your local politics matter because the local elected
Speaker 4: officials are the ones who made the bill pass. So
Speaker 4: they are the ones who helped Trump to sign into
Speaker 4: law some of the most regressive policies and decisions from
Speaker 4: our government ever in terms of going backwards, right, like
Speaker 4: you've never gone back this far, but it certainly is
Speaker 4: taking us to a place where we start. They're trying
Speaker 4: to get back to that. Please, so we you know
Speaker 4: the local politics. We can't express to you all enough
Speaker 4: how important it is for you to be monitoring finding out.
Speaker 1: Who voted for the bill. What are you know.
Speaker 4: Which congressional members, which senators supported this bill and not
Speaker 4: waiting because they say that the impact of it, the
Speaker 4: effects of the disgusting what is being called by the
Speaker 4: Trump administration the Big Beautiful Bill, But we are saying
Speaker 4: the BBL, which is the Big Billionaires Bill, because it
Speaker 4: is absolutely designed to put more money in the pockets
Speaker 4: of billionaires and left and to rob you.
Speaker 1: In order to do it, you.
Speaker 4: Have to be paying attention to your local politics, paying
Speaker 4: attention to what's happening in your community, find out who
Speaker 4: voted for it, when are they up for reelection, and
Speaker 4: how do you join those who will fight to keep
Speaker 4: them from being re elected.
Speaker 1: To your local communities.
Speaker 4: So let's talk about my the end of the day,
Speaker 4: which is off topic completely, but it is something that
Speaker 4: is so real to me, and I know you experience it.
Speaker 4: I talked to Jannis about it all the time. For
Speaker 4: those who may be like Jannis jen Yes, don't you
Speaker 4: ever forget. Janis has been the producer for our show
Speaker 4: for I don't know how many It's been years and
Speaker 4: years and years now. So you might not see you
Speaker 4: on camera one day. We'll get over here, interviewer, but
Speaker 4: we talk about it. And I have many friends who
Speaker 4: are now entering the age of and the stage of
Speaker 4: being the parent to the young adults. Right, so we
Speaker 4: are now the parents of the young adults. You talked
Speaker 4: about teenagers. Teenagers, As far as I'm concerned, little babies
Speaker 4: are easiest, even though people think little babies is so
Speaker 4: hard because it's so much work. They're easiest to deal
Speaker 4: with teenagers.
Speaker 1: They get it.
Speaker 4: It's a little harder, but still, but it's the young adults.
Speaker 4: When you're the parent of.
Speaker 3: A young they don't have to listen to you.
Speaker 4: That is the part that is the more that could
Speaker 4: give you real serious heart palpitations.
Speaker 2: They're gonna argue back, and they don't live with you,
Speaker 2: and they live outside, and nigga on the phone and
Speaker 2: you and they hang up and all types of stuff.
Speaker 2: You cuss them out and then they don't cuss you,
Speaker 2: oh back, but they want to.
Speaker 4: They still do whatever you want to and make whatever decisions.
Speaker 4: And I think that all it says to me is
Speaker 4: two things. It says to me. One is that I
Speaker 4: definitely have forgotten a lot about me right Like, I'm
Speaker 4: being reminded of how much I did not listen to
Speaker 4: certain things that my parents said at that time. And
Speaker 4: obviously my book I Live to Tell the Story it
Speaker 4: covers it, and and a lot of my writing there
Speaker 4: were moments when I was just like, oh my god, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't listen, and if I had, things would have
Speaker 4: been a lot different and much better in certain places
Speaker 4: of my life. But the second thing it makes me
Speaker 4: do is say I truly And I have said this
Speaker 4: for years, my son, I've been saying, I'm so sorry
Speaker 4: to my parents, but I mean when I tell you
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I am. I wish there was a way
Speaker 4: that I could repay them for the stress, aggravation, the
Speaker 4: worry that they have gone through, even things that I
Speaker 4: that wasn't me being defiant but just living my life, right,
Speaker 4: like just living every day.
Speaker 1: Your parents are sitting there holding.
Speaker 4: This major bag of worry and concern, especially when we
Speaker 4: know that that as a young adult, your discernment is
Speaker 4: not exactly where it should be, and we know that
Speaker 4: from the little things. It doesn't require a big old mess.
Speaker 4: We can just tell by little things that you do
Speaker 4: that your discernment is not where it should be. And
Speaker 4: so when you're operating in the big grown up world
Speaker 4: but still walking and doing things that are not big
Speaker 4: and grown up, it really, really, really really can take
Speaker 4: old a person our age out.
Speaker 1: It really can.
Speaker 4: Like I you know, you start feeling like, well, you know,
Speaker 4: I've been saying lately, I'm up in age.
Speaker 1: I cannot handle all of this.
Speaker 4: It's not the same when I used to get a
Speaker 4: call about my son did this or this happened or
Speaker 4: that happened, or if he called me mine, ma is
Speaker 4: the worst thing ever when the kid says my mine, bru,
Speaker 4: it's horrible. And when it was before, I would be like, what,
Speaker 4: it's fine. Now MA can literally send me into.
Speaker 1: Like a what happened?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot, man, as you get older, and
Speaker 2: I think men deal with it better because, especially when
Speaker 2: you're dealing with men, you know, I been blessed or fortunately,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say, well not to have a girl, because
Speaker 2: I think if a girl was calling me and stressing
Speaker 2: me out, I would be stressed. I just think that
Speaker 2: since my son is in his twenties and I've been
Speaker 2: twenty and I give him the information and you don't listen,
Speaker 2: I've done my job right and I understand that you
Speaker 2: gotta go through. So I think, man, we realize that
Speaker 2: men have to go through something, especially young boy, y'all
Speaker 2: have to go through because you're not gonna listen. You
Speaker 2: think you know more, you think we, oh, we don't
Speaker 2: know that now you don't really, and you gotta go
Speaker 2: through it to really understand that I know exactly what
Speaker 2: you're going through and I'm trying to give you the information.
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna take it or you not.
Speaker 2: My mother used to always say a hard head make
Speaker 2: a soft ass, and sometimes they need that little soft ass.
Speaker 2: So what I do is I the mother calls me,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm like, what happened? He will he
Speaker 2: will Okay, he'll be fine.
Speaker 3: What do you mean before? No, you will? No, because
Speaker 3: he will. He gonna have to figure it out.
Speaker 2: You can't save them from it right now because we
Speaker 2: gave them the information, we told them not to do that.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna call me and stress me out about no.
Speaker 3: Grown folks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, almost very stressful because you know why, because you're
Speaker 4: taking on the responsibility of these grown folks and you
Speaker 4: can't because they gonna be grown.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When grandchildren are part of these grown folks business and
Speaker 4: their decisions, that can really really make you feel like
Speaker 4: I gotta I have to be somewhat involved because somebody's
Speaker 4: gotta be the voice of the child.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with being involved, but understanding that your
Speaker 2: involvement is limited and ultimately they gotta make their own
Speaker 2: decisions and choices. The only thing you can do is
Speaker 2: provide them with the proper information and let them understand
Speaker 2: the reality. And once you do that, you can I
Speaker 2: can sleep good. I sleep good at night. My son
Speaker 2: could be calling me this and that. I pick up
Speaker 2: the phone and say what's going on, because I know
Speaker 2: if something went wrong, it ain't because of me, because
Speaker 2: I told you. But whatever you call me about, I
Speaker 2: know I probably already told you about this. I'm one
Speaker 2: hundred percent sure that if you call me and something
Speaker 2: went wrong, I told you not to do what went
Speaker 2: wrong already.
Speaker 3: So I have a clear conscience.
Speaker 2: I could sleep well and I could look him in
Speaker 2: the face and I can actually say I don't have
Speaker 2: nothing else to do with it. His mother calls me
Speaker 2: and she's all a raiding, Oh you need to do this,
Speaker 2: and I'll be like, no, I don't need to do anything.
Speaker 2: I've done what I was supposed to do. He is
Speaker 2: actually twenty seven years of age right now. I've given
Speaker 2: him all the knowledge. I've give him tools, I've given
Speaker 2: him the alternatives. Whatever he chooses to do at this point,
Speaker 2: it's not on me. And I can sleep good. Yes,
Speaker 2: I want the best for him, but sometimes he got
Speaker 2: to go through this valley to get to the peak.
Speaker 3: And that's on him. But it ain't on me. And
Speaker 3: it's not on you either, And I tell all, it's
Speaker 3: not on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's all work like that for us as mom.
Speaker 3: No, you have to understand.
Speaker 1: It's like you have to understand.
Speaker 4: And because the decisions that they make, we ultimately get
Speaker 4: involved at some point, whether whether we want to or not.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. You ultimately get involved, and you're trying
Speaker 2: to save them from learning.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: You can give them all of the information, and when
Speaker 2: they don't take the information, the only thing you doing
Speaker 2: is driving yourself to early grave. You taking on the stress.
Speaker 2: You can't see. I watch mothers. I've watched people's mothers
Speaker 2: be torn down by the kid, like because the mother's
Speaker 2: trying to do everything, she losing her hair, she's giving
Speaker 2: every dime she's trying to save and you can't.
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna work for you.
Speaker 4: Well, one thing I will say is I ain't going
Speaker 4: to the point of losing my hair. I'm just saying
Speaker 4: that your nervous system is very much so attached to
Speaker 4: your young adult children, right like your nervous system because again,
Speaker 4: you can't control what they're gonna do with decisions they're
Speaker 4: gonna make, even when they even when they could be
Speaker 4: doing everything wonderfully, but just a move I'm going out
Speaker 4: at night, you just like, oh my god. But it's
Speaker 4: very hard, especially for a mom, when you see your
Speaker 4: children moving about. You don't know who's the driver of
Speaker 4: the car. You're worrying about whether or not people you know,
Speaker 4: somebody it got some beef that your child don't even
Speaker 4: know about, and something can happen. It's so many layers
Speaker 4: of things. I just I know, for me, I'm glad,
Speaker 4: you know, I have my granddaughter. I love my granddaughter,
Speaker 4: and I'm glad her parents are the first layer of defense.
Speaker 4: But even with my son, my parents are just as
Speaker 4: worried about everything that goes on every day. They the grandparents,
Speaker 4: They still be like, Hey, you talk to that boy,
Speaker 4: Is he all right? What do he do with this?
Speaker 4: What happened with that? Is this taking care of Do
Speaker 4: they got the right food down there? They had a
Speaker 4: blackout in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago, and they
Speaker 4: didn't They were in the dark now, And it occurred
Speaker 4: to me, oh my god, he doesn't have a survival kit, like,
Speaker 4: he needs the flashlights, the candles, this, that, and the third.
Speaker 4: So you know what I'm doing, putting a survival kit
Speaker 4: together because I know he needs this stuff. So and
Speaker 4: my parents, my dad's like, he down there, it's weird.
Speaker 4: This happened the night.
Speaker 1: Of my birthday party.
Speaker 4: So I'm in my birthday party twirling around and my
Speaker 4: dad is like, did this boy get him a flashlight?
Speaker 1: Down there?
Speaker 4: He's texting us while in the thing like hey, it's
Speaker 4: still a black a blackout. It's very high. Everybody's high.
Speaker 4: We may have to get in the car and drop.
Speaker 4: I'm in the in the birthday party looking at the
Speaker 4: text message like, oh man, okay. Then I go over
Speaker 4: my dad's like, did that boy get a flashlight? This
Speaker 4: is happening in real time with the elderly, But that's
Speaker 4: what But I'm saying, it's the same thing because at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, they should know I need
Speaker 4: to get a good flashlight in my house, but they don't.
Speaker 4: Oh unless you tell them. That's why you have to
Speaker 4: stay involved as the parent. You can't just be like, well,
Speaker 4: I done told you to take care of important things,
Speaker 4: get your business in order, and then you don't do it,
Speaker 4: then it's on you, not while you got my granddaughter
Speaker 4: in the middle of a blackout.
Speaker 3: SPE's for grown folks and let grown folks be grown folks.
Speaker 1: Well they got it straight.
Speaker 3: Now that's it. They got the flash.
Speaker 4: Man raising or being a part of young adults development.
Speaker 1: It's hard work. That's my thought of the day.
Speaker 3: Good luck with that man.
Speaker 1: So let's see the TA and my Lord have mercy.
Speaker 4: H the tm I is it too much or some
Speaker 4: people might say it's not even enough. Deportation in the
Speaker 4: United States says clearly that they are considering how to
Speaker 4: deport American citizens. And I ain't talking about an American
Speaker 4: who was naturalized here or an American who was you know,
Speaker 4: born from two different parents that maybe from you know,
Speaker 4: a different country and they came here and then they
Speaker 4: were born. And now that I'm talking about everybody and
Speaker 4: my family right straight up black folks. We was brought
Speaker 4: over here, stolen to this land, right, trafficked, as they
Speaker 4: would say, to this land. He is saying that even
Speaker 4: those types of people parents didn't come.
Speaker 1: From Jamaica or.
Speaker 4: Brazil or Belize or Dominican Republic or any of that.
Speaker 4: They the parents and the parents' parents from here, who's
Speaker 4: from North Carolina, Alabama? Right here, he's saying, if they
Speaker 4: committed certain types of crimes, he should be able the
Speaker 4: ice should be able to go I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't say ice. Maybe he just said.
Speaker 4: Some department should be able to go in and arrest
Speaker 4: these people and deport them, or if.
Speaker 3: They already arrested, they should be able to be deported exactly.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: That's probably more of what he's saying. They in prison,
Speaker 4: they committed a certain type of crime, they can move
Speaker 4: them out because, by the way, even the prison system,
Speaker 4: while they definitely want to use you know, man power
Speaker 4: or labor, human power to make their products and answer
Speaker 4: the phone for the social certain not soces like a
Speaker 4: motor vehicles and all of that in different states, they
Speaker 4: still want that. They really don't want to have to
Speaker 4: maintain massive facilities. So the new thing is putting the
Speaker 4: tracker ankle bracelets on people's legs and sending them home
Speaker 4: and then basically incarcerating the whole house because folks are
Speaker 4: showing up there anytime, day and night.
Speaker 1: Check the house.
Speaker 4: Anybody else got something going on and it ain't supposed
Speaker 4: to be happening. If it's going on under the roof
Speaker 4: of a person who is in home confinement, everybody can
Speaker 4: be arrested.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: It's not the same as you needing a warrant to
Speaker 4: get into Grandmama's house and maybe you know if you
Speaker 4: have a warrant because you think Uncle Billy Bob is
Speaker 4: in there doing god knows what. It ain't that, it's
Speaker 4: if you are on home confinement. Everybody agrees that if
Speaker 4: you are being sent to that home to do your time,
Speaker 4: that they now have the right to come up in
Speaker 4: your house and search your stuff and go through things
Speaker 4: and make determinations of who may be doing what.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So this is one of the new forms of incarceration
Speaker 4: is so many people are being sent home to be
Speaker 4: on home confinement because they don't want to maintain taking
Speaker 4: care of people, feeding them three meals a day and
Speaker 4: having to keep these big facilities open. Okay, so while
Speaker 4: they look at how to reduce costs, it doesn't mean
Speaker 4: you're not still incarcerated in that they still don't make
Speaker 4: money somehow from the machinery from you having to check
Speaker 4: into a building for program for work release for this,
Speaker 4: that and the third and in some States.
Speaker 1: They're saying that they let.
Speaker 4: Incarcerated individuals out of the jail at different times throughout
Speaker 4: the day to go work. They let them go go
Speaker 4: take the train, the bus, go where you need to
Speaker 4: go and go work for these companies. And meanwhile, they
Speaker 4: don't believe that you should be released to.
Speaker 1: Go home to get a job and get yourself together.
Speaker 4: So you know, now the man is adding the layer
Speaker 4: of calling people homegrown terrorists and talking about potentially putting
Speaker 4: people who look like you and me, and nobody's gonna
Speaker 4: believe that. They're gonna say no, no, no, it's a criminals
Speaker 4: and they look different from us, they shouldn't have committed
Speaker 4: a crime. Meanwhile, these people are unraveling our constitution right
Speaker 4: before our eyes. And were just sitting up here being
Speaker 4: like it might be for some good, not we, but
Speaker 4: some people are saying.
Speaker 2: It's very strange. He also was talking about how the
Speaker 2: people who are here that's undocumented, that be working on
Speaker 2: farms for years, no yeah, and that now they can
Speaker 2: have they can pretty much whoever they work for could
Speaker 2: be their owner and they can give them temporary and
Speaker 2: they won't have citizenship. They could just give the It's
Speaker 2: pretty much slavery like and then just say slavery to
Speaker 2: I mean servitude where they can be here underneath this
Speaker 2: person as the owner of the person sciences they owned
Speaker 2: for them. They can't actually ever have citizenship, but they
Speaker 2: could just be here as long as they're doing that
Speaker 2: job and that person has to sign for them and
Speaker 2: be in complete control and every monitor where this is unbelievable,
Speaker 2: Like that is the weirdest shit I've ever seen. And
Speaker 2: people are like, well, I'm saying, you just got.
Speaker 4: No they said, when he said ownership, he's talking about
Speaker 4: owning the farm, not the people. I'm like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: y'all are really messed up. Like the propaganda has settled
Speaker 4: in so much that even you are acting like you
Speaker 4: don't understand. This is the reason why we know because
Speaker 4: if somebody wrote a comment the other day on my
Speaker 4: page and my response was so good, even I gotta
Speaker 4: say that I gave good one. They said, you know,
Speaker 4: people don't do enough research and y'all don't be knowing
Speaker 4: what y'all are talking about. And I wrote them back
Speaker 4: and said, I hope you don't think that I have
Speaker 4: not researched an issue that this was about the target
Speaker 4: boycott that I am so firmly standing on all of you.
Speaker 4: Don't think that I haven't done research, because not only
Speaker 4: have I done research, I know too much about the
Speaker 4: historical reason for why this thing is happening and what
Speaker 4: it looks like when said companies will say we're standing
Speaker 4: on diversity ecting inclusion, and then some companies go align
Speaker 4: themselves with the white supremacists right and white supremacy, and
Speaker 4: it's all its ways informed.
Speaker 1: I know too much about that.
Speaker 4: So guess what when we hear Donald Trump talking about
Speaker 4: the ownership piece, basically you keep and maintain your people
Speaker 4: who work for you, we know what he's saying, not
Speaker 4: because we're trying to interpret it as as new information.
Speaker 1: This is what always was happening.
Speaker 4: Our people fought and died to get us away from
Speaker 4: this particular mindset. And guess what when they say make
Speaker 4: America great again, they are talking about going back to
Speaker 4: a time when a worker, when a person owned a
Speaker 4: farm which is in essence a plantation, and the people
Speaker 4: who worked on it. You are assigned to the assigned
Speaker 4: to those owners who were at that time called masters,
Speaker 4: and they were responsible for your comings and goings.
Speaker 2: You think, for me, it is so strange Why people
Speaker 2: think that would make sense? If a person has been
Speaker 2: working on the farm for fifteen ten years, and they've
Speaker 2: been doing their their job and their due diligence, and
Speaker 2: they be paying these taxes and all that, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: that person have a path to centicienship. Why wouldn't Why
Speaker 2: wouldn't you want that? They've already shown that they are
Speaker 2: capable of doing the job, they're reliable citizens, Like, why
Speaker 2: why would the first thing that you want is somebody.
Speaker 3: To own those individuals who have already been reliable? Why
Speaker 3: would like this? The mind state of it alone is just.
Speaker 2: Like to see people as property or not see think
Speaker 2: people are valuable enough to integrate into America who've come
Speaker 2: here looking for a better life, and they've shown that
Speaker 2: they're trustworthy doing the things that's necessary. Why would you
Speaker 2: want to take that from these people and then put
Speaker 2: them on the ownership of another individual?
Speaker 3: Why would people think that.
Speaker 4: Should But the reason why they want to do it
Speaker 4: is because, again, if you read the nine hundred page
Speaker 4: document called Project twenty twenty five, they are literally talking
Speaker 4: underline it's not obvious, but it's obvious about returning to
Speaker 4: some forms of slave enslavement in this nation, and they
Speaker 4: are putting things in place to make it real.
Speaker 1: And that is one of those things.
Speaker 4: And my issue is the reason why they have to
Speaker 4: do this model that he's talking about is because they
Speaker 4: realize that deporting all of the people who are in
Speaker 4: the immigrant population. Deporting all of those people, and for
Speaker 4: those who are listening, I'm doing air quotes, they can't
Speaker 4: get their jobs done. Their businesses will fail if they
Speaker 4: don't have people working in the hotel industry, they don't
Speaker 4: have people working in farm farming and other jobs like that.
Speaker 4: And you know what they now are beginning to realize
Speaker 4: since they called it black jobs, because remember he said
Speaker 4: they taking a black job. The black people ain't gonna
Speaker 4: do it. The black people ain't going back to the
Speaker 4: cotton field. That's not gonna happen. So all your technology
Speaker 4: that you've built, you don't have what you need to
Speaker 4: be able to take the place of real hard work
Speaker 4: in folks that get out there in that heat and
Speaker 4: do them jobs. And you might get there, but you
Speaker 4: ain't there right now. And that means that his big
Speaker 4: business people, okay, we ain't talking about because the black farmers,
Speaker 4: they don't respect the black farmers either, But I ain't
Speaker 4: talking about black farmers because they if it's the black farmers,
Speaker 4: is suing and doing everything. I'm talking about people who
Speaker 4: own the big great companies and the big watermelon companies
Speaker 4: and the big you know, rice fields, and we're talking
Speaker 4: Uncle Benn's level, right, We're talking about big, big packaging companies,
Speaker 4: big super industrial business. Yeah, okay, all of them businesses.
Speaker 1: They like, we need our workers.
Speaker 4: So now they want to shift the concept because the
Speaker 4: white folks, right, and the big rich people are telling them,
Speaker 4: if we don't have people to do these jobs, these
Speaker 4: industries are going to shut down.
Speaker 1: And the black people said, well, we're not gonna do it.
Speaker 4: And now black people are meeting about how do we
Speaker 4: take care of one another outside of whether these models
Speaker 4: continue to work. So it's canned. It's a it is
Speaker 4: what you call the ship show.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's definitely the ship for real.
Speaker 4: AnyWho is it too much y'all? Or do you think,
Speaker 4: like you know, you're one of those people that's like
Speaker 4: Trump's doing the right thing. Just let the let the
Speaker 4: let the plantation owners, the masters, let them own the
Speaker 4: the big folks who are out there doing the job.
Speaker 4: Make them pay taxes. Is that they pay tax.
Speaker 3: But they can't ever be citizens. This is it I
Speaker 3: never heard of.
Speaker 1: But you know, some of your people love it.
Speaker 2: None of my people love it. Now all the skinfolk
Speaker 2: ain't kinfolk. So I want you to tune into this
Speaker 2: interview of my brother and uh Hakeem Green from Channel
Speaker 2: at the pull Up for Peace conference.
Speaker 5: Say what really?
Speaker 2: We bring you live from Atlanta City at the Pullet
Speaker 2: for Peace tool I under sitting here was a legend,
Speaker 2: a hip hop legend, historian, brilliant thinker. And my brother,
Speaker 2: my brother first and foremost, the incomparable Keen read How
Speaker 2: you doing today? I mean, I'm doing a great man.
Speaker 2: Subalute to you. Think you were happening with the team
Speaker 2: my show.
Speaker 5: Yes see anything we knew it to me, go off
Speaker 5: the couch, me that you here today.
Speaker 3: She's liking she's.
Speaker 2: Running around working, and I just wanted to sit down
Speaker 2: and talk to you, not only about this conference, but
Speaker 2: this is about hip hop and all the things. You know,
Speaker 2: we always have conversations about this was going in the world,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, wow, I got a chance
Speaker 2: to have my brothers actually sit down the couch. We
Speaker 2: meet four hour show and under selemat to sit you
Speaker 2: down and let's have a conversation.
Speaker 5: Man, how are you feeling about the conference.
Speaker 6: It's amazing, amazing to see this coming to fruition, like
Speaker 6: you know, coming from an idea to an actual thing.
Speaker 6: You know, you know, my history and hip hop culture
Speaker 6: has always been about using the art form to push
Speaker 6: for peace, to raise the viperation.
Speaker 5: And you know, going through decades, uh it being.
Speaker 2: At a low vibration to see the vibration raising, you know, steadily.
Speaker 5: You know, we push your faults.
Speaker 6: It's folks like himself to meet the Lakeisha Juri City
Speaker 6: in New La City, all the cities around the country
Speaker 6: coming together to.
Speaker 2: Pull out for peace. This is an Atlantic city. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's something that couldn't have been thought of or you could.
Speaker 6: You could think think about it, but could you actualize
Speaker 6: it ten bills of years ago properly not. But it's
Speaker 6: a testament to the dedication of folks like us pushing
Speaker 6: for peace.
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: And you've been doing this work for soul, Soul sable
Speaker 2: on you done twenty four hours of piece in New
Speaker 2: Orbit is spending a sample in the community and just
Speaker 2: just listening actually just watching and seeing the evolution.
Speaker 5: Of peace, right, Like, like I keep saying that that.
Speaker 2: Hasn't always been something that we since it around in
Speaker 2: our community and in our culture. Right, we thought peace
Speaker 2: meant that you saw, right, it was we knew was
Speaker 2: how we say it was corny to be peaceful, right,
Speaker 2: And now we set in a whole new trend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's what the trend and the hip
Speaker 2: hop should because like you said, it was we it's
Speaker 2: so much focused on low vibration and the ain't know
Speaker 2: what they're doing. They know that they keep us all
Speaker 2: over vibration and they have us award with each other
Speaker 2: and killing each other, glorifying.
Speaker 5: And marketing black murder. Then they know that they're gonna
Speaker 5: they could continue to control us.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: So this narrative, the shifting of the narrative.
Speaker 2: I've seen people that I know was in the streets
Speaker 2: years ago that was dangerous notorious to now get warriors
Speaker 2: for peace, And it's an amazing thing.
Speaker 5: And I just want to talk about how do you
Speaker 5: think we're going to make this touch on it? If?
Speaker 6: Well, I think just being it, you know, show and prove,
Speaker 6: you know, be the example, put things on the platform.
Speaker 6: That's why we're creating twenty five urs A Piece to
Speaker 6: put peace on the platform, to market, to promote it
Speaker 6: so young people the next year ration could see success,
Speaker 6: could see talent, could see you know, people excel by
Speaker 6: pushing peace, by being peaceful, by exemplifying what it is.
Speaker 5: To be peaceful.
Speaker 6: And I think people need to understand when we talk
Speaker 6: about peace being soft, it's not. Piece is about having
Speaker 6: peace of the mind to navigate through whatever situation you
Speaker 6: might find yourself. And you know, when you're at or
Speaker 6: you know, you want to be clear of mind, clear
Speaker 6: of thought. You want to be able to strategize. You
Speaker 6: want to be able to see the layer of the
Speaker 6: land and know how to get from point A to
Speaker 6: point B. And you can't do that with chaos, can't
Speaker 6: do that with confused spinds. They have to be at
Speaker 6: peace with yourself. So Piece is something that's inside and
Speaker 6: it helps you navigate whatever circumstance or situation you might
Speaker 6: find yourself in. It's not about submission, though there is
Speaker 6: power and submission. That's a whole other conversation, and it
Speaker 6: is It's one of the most powerful thingures that you
Speaker 6: can do, is to be peopul They say that the
Speaker 6: measure of a warrior is to actually never have to
Speaker 6: inflict calm. That is the goal of any real warrior.
Speaker 6: You never want to have to inflict calls around here.
Speaker 6: You have the skill, you how to understand it, but
Speaker 6: you never want to actually have to utilize, you know.
Speaker 2: So we loved it about how gun violence has plagued
Speaker 2: hip hop, you know, has taken away something about greatest
Speaker 2: young and elder artists throughout the years.
Speaker 5: And I was looking at the status.
Speaker 2: It's the craziest things to people that the leading cause
Speaker 2: of death for black males twenty five and under is gun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is crazy to be hondicide of them us
Speaker 5: the leading culture.
Speaker 2: So that is really just taking out our tiging out
Speaker 2: our whole, our soldiers and being killed what us And
Speaker 2: and if we understand that, there's no way that we
Speaker 2: should be pushing and promoting that to our bands. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well the enemy has done a great job of programming
Speaker 2: us to look at each other as the enemy. Uh,
Speaker 2: they put us in these conditions, they put us in
Speaker 2: this in these environments. Can they step away and they
Speaker 2: watch us kill each other.
Speaker 6: There's so many valuables that go into weird from education
Speaker 6: to health, the wealth is to what we eat, the diet,
Speaker 6: whether they you know, eating food or what you.
Speaker 5: Visualize, what you see, what you're taking to your mental study.
Speaker 2: And you know, we're being bombarded constantly by stimuli that's
Speaker 2: actually coming from outside ourselves, like people studying us as
Speaker 2: a community.
Speaker 5: And they go, Okay, we want these people to be
Speaker 5: ten to fifteen, twenty thirty years from now.
Speaker 2: If these people can compete, then we're done. And they
Speaker 2: put us in a situation that takes away our government competition.
Speaker 2: We're busy competing with each other, that are unifying with
Speaker 2: each other to compete with the real enemy. And I
Speaker 2: think you know what we're seeing now and what we
Speaker 2: what we have and seeing is something that's been planned
Speaker 2: and mapped out decades ago. They saw the power to
Speaker 2: civil rights movement, they saw the power lack power movement.
Speaker 2: They saw the power of how we've organized they came
Speaker 2: together in the sixties.
Speaker 6: And seventies, and what advances we made instead, Okay, how
Speaker 6: do we get these people off track? How do we
Speaker 6: do the way where our hands are not dirty, our
Speaker 6: hands out And they've turned us against each other, so
Speaker 6: we have to show each other, for example, the love
Speaker 6: that we have for each other, the love that we
Speaker 6: have for the community, and how success is bred that way.
Speaker 5: We put that on a platform, slowly, pushurely, we can
Speaker 5: change it around. That's right. It's funny. I was watching
Speaker 5: I don't even know the man's league. It was a
Speaker 5: white man.
Speaker 2: He was doing a TED talk and he was talking
Speaker 2: about how black murder is one of the top marketing
Speaker 2: too and strategies like he said, you can get on
Speaker 2: any radio station and talk about how you're gonna kill
Speaker 2: a black he said, but as soon as you talk.
Speaker 6: About killing a dog, yeah, a white talking or anybody else,
Speaker 6: SPC is gonna be at chade coming for you.
Speaker 2: But you can say, you could say the most creative
Speaker 2: ways that you won't kill it black version.
Speaker 5: Any of this marketed and is promoted its page.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was listening to lead you all
Speaker 2: on the Records Club and he was talking about how,
Speaker 2: you know, the violence and hip hop and how he capitalized.
Speaker 5: He said, you know, I'm astrot knowledge with you got
Speaker 5: goutnomy has been vertical. But this is it's not just him,
Speaker 5: it's but this is the lid state. So the industry
Speaker 5: and the culture that we looked at.
Speaker 2: So Channel lives to a meet at that Chai on
Speaker 2: Top Hop went to nineteen ninety eight, and you know,
Speaker 2: just after the Captain.
Speaker 5: Deal, after Matterson, when you look Poottil.
Speaker 2: Sat down to Tie played him in demo like Carl
Speaker 2: Thomas all over with Denmom before he was all bad boy,
Speaker 2: before he came out of bad Boy.
Speaker 5: Time listened to the demo, Tie goes, oh my god,
Speaker 5: this stuff. He's a guy we like to be.
Speaker 2: But you guys not locking down the block. Guys, ain't
Speaker 2: you know you're not beat enough for dust yat You
Speaker 2: know this is not gonna work here. And it didn't
Speaker 2: register to me and Toughy like were like, what you're
Speaker 2: not locking down the block? Or it's supposed to be
Speaker 2: selling the rugs. We're supposed to be killing each other.
Speaker 2: We're supposed to be pushing the activity. It can't just
Speaker 2: be about the music has to be about a messaging.
Speaker 6: Not to say that Tide Older New York is part
Speaker 6: of any you know, behind the scene, the conspiracy.
Speaker 5: There was a private meetings. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: All I know is that I see what happened from
Speaker 2: that point in hip hop to where we are now
Speaker 2: from the hands that are evolved. It has to be
Speaker 2: bigger than the music, has to be bigger than just
Speaker 2: putting out good mixing. It must be something about keeping
Speaker 2: the community locked into a negative vibration, a low vibration.
Speaker 2: And that's what we then, really since the mid nineties,
Speaker 2: got a low vibraation. So you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't ever want to seem like a point plinty
Speaker 2: of things. You're thinking blame.
Speaker 6: It's about, you know, just looking at what's going on,
Speaker 6: who benefits, who sufferers, and then.
Speaker 5: Navigating according Yeah, and the Internet doesn't make it any better.
Speaker 2: This incident is hybrid hybrid violence or it promotes violence
Speaker 2: and beef and a high level it's the algorythm is
Speaker 2: so weird toward negativity, like and I realized when I
Speaker 2: put things on and it's not controversial, it's not a
Speaker 2: negativity positive it's like and it's not that people don't
Speaker 2: want to be it's that the algorithm won't let you
Speaker 2: know that it's it right, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: We have an.
Speaker 2: Algorithm, especially in our communities, that only focuses on whose
Speaker 2: beefing with who? Who sets up silver and it's to
Speaker 2: give you. How I know that is Jim Jones is
Speaker 2: just having a conversation about it. He was saying pretty much,
Speaker 2: he's saying things that he knows it's gonna been to
Speaker 2: our work, right because it's negative. It pitch you will
Speaker 2: against your brother. So everybody wants to see that now.
Speaker 2: When he said it was a little crazy and jem
Speaker 2: is my man. I love him to death, but I
Speaker 2: don't think most people will know hip hop wouldn't say
Speaker 2: that he is a better rapper or artist than.
Speaker 5: Not, so I have even had a more impact. Gimp
Speaker 5: has definitely impacted hip hop, right.
Speaker 2: He's from absolutely from culture, from the style to dress, fashion, fashion,
Speaker 2: all these things.
Speaker 5: He's definitely has been a save, especially in New York
Speaker 5: hip hop.
Speaker 2: But when you talk about nas is a pretty munch
Speaker 2: of pioneer, right, And he's a pioneer and nazis hip
Speaker 2: hop just literally if you are lyricists, he's a poet exact.
Speaker 2: If you are lyricists, nah setting the table for you.
Speaker 2: If he set the stand and it was Rob Kennys
Speaker 2: and the right, it's gonna say else. There's really nothing
Speaker 2: else you could do. So and I get it, but
Speaker 2: that's what it takes, right. I take it for you
Speaker 2: to say if I was, if we and that's what Laurie,
Speaker 2: they will say. She said, you can add a mother
Speaker 2: fuck it's gonna hit your business, gonna hear me, and.
Speaker 5: That's what they need. They he figured it out and
Speaker 5: that's what most of.
Speaker 2: The people have to They figured out that if I
Speaker 2: created controversy in the algorithm, the algorithm is gonna put
Speaker 2: me here and the next you know, somebody's gonna hear
Speaker 2: from me. I don't get paid to do an interview.
Speaker 2: I can market and promote myself. And it's sad and
Speaker 2: that's what we want to do it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it is what it is, right. It's a
Speaker 5: few different points you touched on.
Speaker 2: One is the algorithm, right, and as natural and organic
Speaker 2: as the algorithm seems, it's not.
Speaker 5: It's programmed. Is that it's programming. Pick up on certain words,
Speaker 5: certain phrases, certainly energies.
Speaker 2: And then you push that right and if that's where
Speaker 2: your mindset is, that's what the algorithm is going fij
Speaker 2: and you know this is what's going on, This is
Speaker 2: what's happening. Know that that's where your mind is at.
Speaker 2: So it knows the feeds where you think you want
Speaker 2: to see. All right, that's first.
Speaker 5: The other thing is like the context of music and
Speaker 5: how we got to where we are, right, So we go.
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit a bit older than you, right,
Speaker 2: I remember a time where black artists, black people were not.
Speaker 6: On mainstream nothing, main street and TV. If you grow
Speaker 6: up main stream TV, you are criminal, will pick up
Speaker 6: a prostitute.
Speaker 5: I just love it.
Speaker 2: That's the only way you were uh portrayed on TV
Speaker 2: and nfilm right on the radio. Black artists were not
Speaker 2: played in mainstream just didn't happen. And then you hip
Speaker 2: hop artists, no, people had to go away and kick
Speaker 2: down on the boards A curtains.
Speaker 5: Glow, Holdini run DMC, A loll j NAS.
Speaker 2: We opened up the door to a point where now
Speaker 2: hip hop music and black artistry is bitness.
Speaker 5: You can't turn on the TV without seeing us.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, too many times still in the drug dealer paying
Speaker 2: push your you know, tighten.
Speaker 5: But we're going off top.
Speaker 2: So for Jim Jones to put out a record and
Speaker 2: it'd be instantly accepted by the main street across the board,
Speaker 2: it's because NAS kicked down the door. Because there were
Speaker 2: people who said, no, we don't play that because we
Speaker 2: don't play hip hop.
Speaker 5: We don't play that because it's too black. You don't
Speaker 5: play that because it's too urban. You don't play that
Speaker 5: because it's too street. To Now we put our record.
Speaker 2: And you're gonna get the attention to folks because of
Speaker 2: the negative imagery, the negative messaging.
Speaker 5: So you know, Jim Jones talks about him himself versus nas.
Speaker 2: I think you gotta, you know, include that historical context
Speaker 2: that Gym is writing on the show. Limits of a
Speaker 2: nods and even in that he doesn't sell more, he
Speaker 2: didn't rank higher on goboard. Is Championship trouble? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's what and that's what it's become. And it's
Speaker 2: it's a very dangerous, very dangerous situation that I was
Speaker 2: having this conversation with my friend because.
Speaker 5: We normally just go online and we see that that
Speaker 5: is the new trend.
Speaker 2: People decide to get on the internet and say the
Speaker 2: most negative things they can't about someone that they probably
Speaker 2: don't even know, right, and they garner attention from it.
Speaker 5: It's actually I know.
Speaker 7: People who have built five units of that yeah, would
Speaker 7: become which they can go innocient influences because they talk
Speaker 7: about somebody that they've never seen, and they saturday their
Speaker 7: TV and the basement for four and five years and
Speaker 7: built four hundred thousand five munchers that do file just
Speaker 7: by talking.
Speaker 5: Maybe about somebody so, and it's a new thing.
Speaker 2: They call itself content creators, and they figure this is
Speaker 2: a way to success.
Speaker 5: And it's sad because a lot of them will gaining
Speaker 5: success doing it. But how long if that success lasts?
Speaker 2: It's a short lived is it for the bullet Because
Speaker 2: when you can nurture and create something that's strong, you
Speaker 2: know your content, your art is really about something.
Speaker 5: And though you may.
Speaker 2: Slow walk into the success, you may slow walk into
Speaker 2: the numbers. It seems to have more staying power than
Speaker 2: somebody just does something for the likes it clicks. And
Speaker 2: then because you always have to outdo that last, you
Speaker 2: have to outdo yourself. You got even constantly trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what outrageous setup you can.
Speaker 5: Come up with to stay relevant, and eventually you run
Speaker 5: out of content.
Speaker 6: Where if you really just leaning on the music itself,
Speaker 6: the art form itself, the content itself, you have more
Speaker 6: staying power.
Speaker 5: I think you know you're definitely right and I say
Speaker 5: that all the time.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I put the content of my character
Speaker 2: over content on the Internet, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't and they don't care, right because I've had conversations,
Speaker 2: I've seen it done or watching done on a day
Speaker 2: to day basis, and I'd be like, you don't even
Speaker 2: care what you said, You don't care how you view,
Speaker 2: you don't care about anything. They just want some motions.
Speaker 2: The quote, yeah you don't. You know, I always get
Speaker 2: one point defender. You don't want to pick on people,
Speaker 2: but you have you know, artists who play out on
Speaker 2: record that might be you know.
Speaker 5: Over sexualized, you know, over overly violent.
Speaker 2: You know, they have that one hit record they hit
Speaker 2: for the moment, but then they gone the next and
Speaker 2: You're like, wow, this saw some other art form that
Speaker 2: they are Really wasn't It wasn't about real lyrics as
Speaker 2: somebody compare sexy brands Little Ken and he said sexy
Speaker 2: breds the Little Ken, And I'm like, well, yeah, little
Speaker 2: Kim sold you sex.
Speaker 5: But the bars was there.
Speaker 2: Music was there, like the artist that he was there
Speaker 2: that it was just more substance to it and just
Speaker 2: sex just wasn't.
Speaker 5: You know, everybody like this is what we're doing, and
Speaker 5: it was you know, it was thought process behind it.
Speaker 2: There was something that bringing into little kids worlds who
Speaker 2: want to find out more about little Kim.
Speaker 5: And I think that's the the risk with doing things
Speaker 5: just for the likes.
Speaker 2: Saying things just for the X becasu devaluing yourself when
Speaker 2: it's time coming that next thing.
Speaker 5: It's like, what do you do now? Yeah? Can I say?
Speaker 2: I say that all it's about substance. And I think
Speaker 2: when we talk about hip hop, I just want to
Speaker 2: ask you this question. Do you think it's evolving or
Speaker 2: you think this is I think hip hop is evolving.
Speaker 2: I think hip hop is in a great place. Hip
Speaker 2: hop is and what we do is how we do it.
Speaker 6: I see breakdancing in the Olympics, but I see for
Speaker 6: feed art of what we see is hip hop is
Speaker 6: buying graphic art design and the many places that that exists.
Speaker 5: It continually evolves.
Speaker 2: When you look at DJ, when you look at you know, termatilism,
Speaker 2: look at you know be juggling and scratching, and it's
Speaker 2: constantly evolving. I look at true mcman ship, true lyricism.
Speaker 2: I see, you know, what Kendrick's doing.
Speaker 5: When I see adult she is doing.
Speaker 2: It's crazy artists out there that's spitting, you know, things
Speaker 2: that resonate to our spirit and then doing it in
Speaker 2: a you know, I think hip hop is evolving, not
Speaker 2: a rap music business, not so much. You know, rap
Speaker 2: music business is like, you know, when we were first
Speaker 2: creating this thing we called hip hop, what the mainstream
Speaker 2: was into their opinions, They thought it did mat recon Selle,
Speaker 2: the mad Gold, platinum, None of that mattered.
Speaker 6: What mattered was respect on the block. Did you have
Speaker 6: them lars? Could you basket? Could you win a mill?
Speaker 6: Could you let me see your your top to bottom?
Speaker 5: Your burner?
Speaker 2: You know, what is the train look like when it
Speaker 2: goes by? Like That's how hip hop was judged. So
Speaker 2: that's how I judge hip hop. I don't judge hip
Speaker 2: hop about what the mainstream says. When I start doing that,
Speaker 2: then I'm not hip hop anymore. So, Yeah, question, hip
Speaker 2: hop is a great place. It's just what me considered
Speaker 2: hip hop.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 2: I just at some point I get disappointed by what
Speaker 2: they trying to make mainstream where they try to tell
Speaker 2: us is hip hop. You know, since we grew up
Speaker 2: in hip hop, and I know the feelings. I know
Speaker 2: the essence of it. I know that it's about being
Speaker 2: able to say something in the way that resignates with
Speaker 2: the world that they can feel in the most creative
Speaker 2: way possible, right, And I know that when they try
Speaker 2: to take that creativity out of it and simplify it
Speaker 2: and just give us something they called advct the store
Speaker 2: and the wall pain and tell us that it's hard.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's frustrated to me, right as somebody who who
Speaker 2: cherishes it about who loves the game. Who if I'm
Speaker 2: going to write a music or I'm going to write
Speaker 2: a verse. I wanted to beat something that is our
Speaker 2: I wanted to be something that's heartfelt. I wanted to
Speaker 2: be creative. I want other lyricists to hear it, people
Speaker 2: who love the music to hear it, to say, wow,
Speaker 2: he put effort into this, right. So a lot of
Speaker 2: times I listened to artists and they try to even
Speaker 2: the young artists. And I don't mean I can't fault
Speaker 2: the artists, right because in my mind, if I'm telling
Speaker 2: you that it's good, it's telling you that this is
Speaker 2: do over. Then you saw the belate better. Then you
Speaker 2: got young kids following the same trending to where they
Speaker 2: I don't want to think about them, right, And then
Speaker 2: it brings you to the point where like bring me
Speaker 2: going back to genderize right, when he's saying that, oh,
Speaker 2: they're not checking fornas right, and it's like, I understand
Speaker 2: what he means because it's not that he didn't say anything.
Speaker 2: Want they're not checking for gus the young generations because
Speaker 2: they're not They've been told that that's not how right.
Speaker 2: They've been told that the person that says I'm gonna
Speaker 2: shoot you and spend a block thirty four times and
Speaker 2: there's no creative The words don't even rhyme, there's no
Speaker 2: kidence to the be, there's no flow, there's nothing I
Speaker 2: mean listening to, I mean asking myself did they even
Speaker 2: hit the me when they rapp into these songs?
Speaker 5: So, man, these songs don't even have any level of
Speaker 5: melody anything. It's just they just throwing words.
Speaker 2: How I'm there, right, And when you've been told that
Speaker 2: that has music, you will look at it saying I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear nuns too.
Speaker 5: I don't want to think about all that, right.
Speaker 2: So when we've been trapped into that bond state, it
Speaker 2: determs me like it's like I love music. Right, I'll
Speaker 2: be sitting down, I'm ready writing some stuff and I'd
Speaker 2: be like, this is fire. And then I'd be like,
Speaker 2: ain't nobody like listen to this? And then I and
Speaker 2: then I'm approached by hundreds of people there and they're saying, Yo,
Speaker 2: we want some more boss with general place and this
Speaker 2: is fire.
Speaker 5: We need some more, we need some more of that.
Speaker 5: So I get the energy back up. And then I
Speaker 5: turned on the radio or I'm going to a blog
Speaker 5: and said, think someone, this is the out this new wrap. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and we'll see.
Speaker 6: Now I feel the same way, right, and I get that,
Speaker 6: you know, discouraged. Ain't nobody checking from my par I'll
Speaker 6: put this music out of the court. I'm doing video,
Speaker 6: so nobody checking for this, right, I'm move fall back.
Speaker 6: And then I see my son spin a par like,
Speaker 6: oh speak you back hit hop back.
Speaker 2: I see it's hot right now because hip hop respect
Speaker 2: hip hop, right, So if I'm paying attention to what
Speaker 2: that outside is doing, then I get discouraged. But when
Speaker 2: I see people from who comfort where I come from,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, who know what this is putting down?
Speaker 2: Then I can inspire it. And then I want to
Speaker 2: put music out to be some people like yourself will
Speaker 2: recognize if needs something. When you hear something, you be like,
Speaker 2: y'all all the son I've heard that, I'm going to
Speaker 2: dig that that needs more than me.
Speaker 5: Then saying going to a.
Speaker 2: Flex and getting a cold signum for Flex because you know,
Speaker 2: no disrespect to Flex, but you know he's made street.
Speaker 2: You're gonna do with the main street telling it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just we got to get back to doing it
Speaker 2: for we really doing this for we doing it for,
Speaker 2: you know, our sound appreciation. Then you got through roops,
Speaker 2: you guys, you know, don't show you gussy as you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to do things that's gonna compromise who you
Speaker 2: are as an artist, who you are as a hip
Speaker 2: hop for real. Uh And it is a nonstist too.
Speaker 2: There is a way to make great music with a
Speaker 2: great message. And you know, but I think Kendrick Lamark
Speaker 2: what he was going.
Speaker 5: To do over the last two years is like just phenomenal.
Speaker 5: I told supports on social media.
Speaker 2: I said, one MC moves to party, let's trade one
Speaker 2: MC moves society.
Speaker 5: And as Kendrick and whether you get the Kendrick Ganna.
Speaker 2: I can't not the fact that he's got America and
Speaker 2: they stream America thinking about things and haven't really thought
Speaker 2: about in a little time. So it is great, you know,
Speaker 2: you got ass that and hopefully the young a generation
Speaker 2: of artists will look at what he's been doing and
Speaker 2: you know, find value and going and it's a back
Speaker 2: of ration, I suppose, just within the party.
Speaker 5: Well that's what I've been saying when we have to
Speaker 5: create this new culture, you know, as we got this.
Speaker 2: Pull up peace conference and we're pushing things as positively
Speaker 2: highlighting people that do positive things and the messages. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't realize that words or spells, like when you
Speaker 2: when you say things, you put those days on your life.
Speaker 2: And I never realize that things. A lot of the
Speaker 2: things that I sayd when I was young, I call
Speaker 2: those things into fruition, right, And I just and I said,
Speaker 2: and that's why when we looking and we see our
Speaker 2: young rappers dying at such high rings, and then you
Speaker 2: listen to the music that they had, right.
Speaker 5: They pretty much call those energies all the and then
Speaker 5: not that they.
Speaker 2: Were bad people, but you don't even understand how powerful
Speaker 2: worlds I don't think nobody, but words are the most
Speaker 2: powerful things that we had. Like if you look at
Speaker 2: the strong beligers through our history, the most powerful people
Speaker 2: have been words. Yeah, it's not the strongest person. It's
Speaker 2: not this person the most money. It's he who knows
Speaker 2: how to utilize those words. So I called myself a
Speaker 2: word smith. You know, I've been gifted with the ability
Speaker 2: to utilize words, and I want to do it for
Speaker 2: something that's positive and brothers like yourself inspired me every day.
Speaker 2: It's wants to say thank you for always. You've always
Speaker 2: been on this mission, you know, ever since the beginning,
Speaker 2: shann a lot of it. Like you said, it wasn't
Speaker 2: lacking the black, that was lacking your conjects. Right, You've
Speaker 2: always called you to be a high frequency. So I
Speaker 2: just wanted me to be a flyers king and say,
Speaker 2: you know, I was just trying to move in the
Speaker 2: trajectory that you had. So I'm glad to hear that
Speaker 2: you improved me. Oh yeah, without doubt. You know, the
Speaker 2: first time I mentioned I don't know if you can
Speaker 2: come nineteen ninety seven tramps, it was Kars when I
Speaker 2: read it and show this Chris, like, yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: first time I got a.
Speaker 5: Chance to meet you. Everything yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like we play that back of my head because
Speaker 2: you know, once you've been to the culture of MC's
Speaker 2: at that time, I mean you had really pop yat.
Speaker 2: You had to you know, you know, put out the
Speaker 2: records yet. But the buzz was like doing my solens. Next,
Speaker 2: he's the next one, He's the next one. So I
Speaker 2: got a chance to meet you. I was with KRS one.
Speaker 2: We already don't care. Rest one is your culture. So
Speaker 2: and then through Chris Lightning and it's like, okay, I'm
Speaker 2: checking for him. And then you know, you had things
Speaker 2: that happened to you.
Speaker 6: You have to go through your process, and you came
Speaker 6: back out and like at that point, like I'm lead
Speaker 6: deeping the activism and le deeping the community.
Speaker 5: Work, you know, doing that work.
Speaker 2: You come out and you writing in the trenches doing
Speaker 2: that work. It was kind of opposite of how I
Speaker 2: remembered you, and I remembered you was being more of
Speaker 2: a you know, are sure you're worring in purses. Definitely
Speaker 2: with the rhymes and bars. You came out and challenging
Speaker 2: black men and black women. Then they'll kick themselves up
Speaker 2: and be better version of themselves. I'm like, oh okay, wow,
Speaker 2: I ain't know I'm getting fault off of various people
Speaker 2: going you see my SIGNI my sis, this is my
Speaker 2: silence dad, my son, I said, be patient, watch this.
Speaker 6: Watch I got something bout his brother. I know it's
Speaker 6: gonna be special. And you know what that inclination, It
Speaker 6: was just.
Speaker 5: That like he've been doing some real special stuff for
Speaker 5: our people. Hit mop and as junior brother appreciateure, man,
Speaker 5: they started being here. It's always a pleasure, man, little
Speaker 5: bit people to do work and we all going to
Speaker 5: get that we got into that's to get that's all
Speaker 5: the new. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait too, I'm gonna start beating certain She'll
Speaker 2: send you some stuff and then you follow your lead
Speaker 2: out of the let's go all right there, so shut
Speaker 2: up to my mother.
Speaker 5: How to keep green?
Speaker 2: Man, It's always a pleasure when you're talking to people
Speaker 2: who are like minded, who are really genuine individuals and
Speaker 2: also lyricists as well, and it's coming from the hip alcoholch.
Speaker 5: He always has positive things, you know, when communication all
Speaker 5: just came on a lot, but.
Speaker 2: Just being able to sit there and have this conversation
Speaker 2: is a blessing that so follow Jakem reed he is
Speaker 2: one of those whethers on the front line who's always
Speaker 2: about equal, always when that's right. And like you said,
Speaker 2: that's a good interview.
Speaker 4: You know, I think you and Hakem are two of
Speaker 4: the people who I admire that are very very very clear,
Speaker 4: like where you stand politically. And also it might not
Speaker 4: be reported today, right, it's not today. No, people might
Speaker 4: not respect it, but I think there will come a
Speaker 4: time when you will see a number of folks acknowledging
Speaker 4: that y'all were very much so consistent that a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of dumb shit is going on, and you know,
Speaker 4: and and not everybody does that because some people are
Speaker 4: afraid to be on the wrong side. But Hakim is
Speaker 4: definitely one who I look at when I go to
Speaker 4: his page, just like he gets it. He knows that
Speaker 4: what we're seeing in this nation, in this moment, and
Speaker 4: even within our own communities, that there's a lot of healing,
Speaker 4: a lot of work, and a lot of fighting and
Speaker 4: advocating that has to be done.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a great interview. You Scott
Speaker 1: should do more together.
Speaker 2: Shut out to my brother Haquen. So now This brings
Speaker 2: me to my I don't get it. There has been
Speaker 2: a common divide that I always see happen between Blacks
Speaker 2: and Muslims, and it is now it is trickled into
Speaker 2: our mayor.
Speaker 3: Race, which is for the new nominee zorharn Mom, Donnie.
Speaker 2: Now, I've been listening to the brother for the last
Speaker 2: few weeks and it just sounds simple. It sounds like
Speaker 2: he's for the everyday person. He sounds like he's speaking
Speaker 2: to the realities, what's going on and the you know
Speaker 2: a lot of people that I say that the democratic
Speaker 2: people have forgot about, you know, just the average everyday person,
Speaker 2: and he's speaking to that.
Speaker 3: So to me, like it makes sense. But now there's
Speaker 3: this divide.
Speaker 2: They wantn't played the Blacks against the Muslims, you know,
Speaker 2: they want to make it everything into this.
Speaker 3: Socialist thing. Now socialism and this is the worst word
Speaker 3: in the world.
Speaker 2: He's a socialist because he wants average people just be
Speaker 2: to have a right to live, people to have be
Speaker 2: able to pay for their groceries, people to live places
Speaker 2: and be able to pay for the rent, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy to me that we fall for this
Speaker 2: same thing every time they're dividing us and we're all
Speaker 2: going through the same hell, but they have us divided,
Speaker 2: you know. And I'm listening to what they're doing to him,
Speaker 2: and it's reminiscent of what happened at the Women's March, right,
Speaker 2: and I've seen this whole playbook. We need you to
Speaker 2: say this this way, We need you to use these
Speaker 2: words this way, because if you don't say that, that
Speaker 2: means that you meant this, and you don't get to
Speaker 2: tell us what you meant even though you said it.
Speaker 2: We get to tell you what you meant, right, and
Speaker 2: we can. And now that we're seeing what you meant,
Speaker 2: you're not for us, you're against us all and you're
Speaker 2: the bad guy. And it's crazy that we fall for
Speaker 2: the same thing. And I don't understand how do we
Speaker 2: constantly fall for the same banana and the tailpipe?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: How is how is it that this government and people
Speaker 2: are able to pin marginalized communities? Because what happens is
Speaker 2: when you see Trump talking about deporting the man, right,
Speaker 2: when it's the government, when you when you really when
Speaker 2: you watch the media, you know that's what.
Speaker 1: I would blame it on.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that Trump didn't say those things, but
Speaker 4: it is. The media does not have to cover it.
Speaker 4: They want this type of divide between us because you
Speaker 4: got to look at who owns the media. And I
Speaker 4: think in New York it's more than the government that
Speaker 4: is engaging in xenophobia and trying to create the vision.
Speaker 4: I think it's about special interests, business interests in certain
Speaker 4: communities feeling that they're better than others.
Speaker 3: That's what I think, and that's what it comes down to,
Speaker 3: and we always fall for it.
Speaker 2: In every situation, we find ourselves pitted against each other,
Speaker 2: and we the ones that's always going to lose in
Speaker 2: the end, and we and we fight against our own interests,
Speaker 2: like when you listen to what the man is talking about,
Speaker 2: like how could the average everyday person who lives in
Speaker 2: New York not listen to that and say, well, that's
Speaker 2: just fair. It just sounds like fitness to me, right.
Speaker 2: But we would go against this one. This is how
Speaker 2: we got Trump. We got Trump because we were They
Speaker 2: pitted the black people against each other. They pitted us
Speaker 2: against Kamala and said, oh, you know, you can't be
Speaker 2: with her because she has a white husband, or you
Speaker 2: can't be with her because she's a woman, or she's
Speaker 2: not really black, she's this, and we fell for.
Speaker 1: It's the same, and we fail for it.
Speaker 2: And now we got this fucking in office that had
Speaker 2: never said nothing that benefited us, and people's talk and
Speaker 2: the crazy thing. People that would have bought the policy,
Speaker 2: and nobody was ever able to tell us what Trump's
Speaker 2: policy was. But they couldn't tell us the policy that
Speaker 2: benefited them. Never, never did they tell us anything that
Speaker 2: benefited them. Now we can sit there and listen, and
Speaker 2: this man has a clear vision. And rather than say, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is the nominee we're gonna ride with, they still
Speaker 2: haven't even endorsed the man.
Speaker 1: No, well, some people have. Here's the thing.
Speaker 4: You got a lot of dynamics happening in New York
Speaker 4: at the same time. One thing that we have to think,
Speaker 4: you know, talk about is there is a generational shift,
Speaker 4: if you will, where people who are older folks who.
Speaker 1: Know the Cuomo's very well.
Speaker 4: Mario Cuomo was a total different Cuomo from Andrew Cuomo,
Speaker 4: his son, but he still has that family brand, right,
Speaker 4: and so when black people hear the name Cuomo, and
Speaker 4: it's not to say that Andrew Cuomo didn't do one
Speaker 4: or two things, three or four or five things that
Speaker 4: black folks fought for wanted, you know, looking at in
Speaker 4: New York.
Speaker 1: He was the first mayor, I mean, first governor of
Speaker 1: any state.
Speaker 4: I believe, to institute the policy that if a police
Speaker 4: officer kills somebody, you know, I think it's unarmed. I
Speaker 4: think it's an unarmed individual. But don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: but I know that in police involved shootings.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: He put a special prosecutor in place because he recognized
Speaker 4: that the relationship sometimes between the local prosecutors and the
Speaker 4: police department is too close for them to properly investigate
Speaker 4: and holds accountable these officers. So he made it law
Speaker 4: that they would be a special prosecutor in New York State.
Speaker 4: And the Attorney General, who's Tiss James at this time,
Speaker 4: it is basically generally her responsibility unless she moves it
Speaker 4: somewhere else, depending upon the conflicts that may be in
Speaker 4: her office.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of layers to that. But black
Speaker 1: people who.
Speaker 4: Were fighting for police accountability in New York, remember when
Speaker 4: Andrew Cuomo led that, and it's been some other things.
Speaker 4: And so when you have that, you have a group
Speaker 4: of people who are just like Bounty paper towels and
Speaker 4: Rentolds wrap and you know, drop a can of orange
Speaker 4: juice and lift in iced tea. These are brands that
Speaker 4: they know well and they appreciate these brands. This is
Speaker 4: their brand that they know from their grandmother's grandmother introduced
Speaker 4: them to this brand, or it was in her house,
Speaker 4: in the cupboard or wherever. Right.
Speaker 1: So therefore, some of us just operate on what we know,
Speaker 1: what we know.
Speaker 4: And when you introduce a new person like mom Donnie
Speaker 4: into the conversation and folks don't know him. And let's
Speaker 4: be very honest and saying that there are interactions that
Speaker 4: black people who have had in their local community with
Speaker 4: Muslims who run the store, or a Jewish person who
Speaker 4: might own the building, or another black person who doesn't
Speaker 4: talk to them well, doesn't respect them, or the Latino
Speaker 4: community is like, I ain't black.
Speaker 1: They've experienced all of this stuff, and of course white supremacy,
Speaker 1: and so when they meet these new people, they like,
Speaker 1: mm mmm, don't trust you. I don't know you. So
Speaker 1: we have to give some of it to that.
Speaker 4: But the other side of it that our people have
Speaker 4: to be mindful of is that they don't even change
Speaker 4: the playbook. They do the same thing. They start going
Speaker 4: after your race, whether you are, like you said, are
Speaker 4: you black, not black?
Speaker 1: Where you're really from?
Speaker 4: You ain't really one of us. This and that we
Speaker 4: start going right into that. The man when he was
Speaker 4: a boy put the wrong thing on an application for
Speaker 4: college or denied application. He's seventeen, eighteen years old, tops
Speaker 4: fills out the application and says he's African, American and Asian. Right,
Speaker 4: I don't know what other categories were there, but people
Speaker 4: want to make this be Oh I know what that means.
Speaker 4: You know, he can't be trusted. Come on, like, if
Speaker 4: that's the worst you could give me, let's move on
Speaker 4: to the next thing. But y'all ain't got nothing. So
Speaker 4: that's why you here with this. So you know, they
Speaker 4: start that Kamala ain't black. Same thing. Next they start
Speaker 4: trying to different communities. Oh, he ain't for you, He's
Speaker 4: not for you.
Speaker 1: He's not for you.
Speaker 4: And my thing is what we should be doing. And
Speaker 4: it's not just for Mamdannie. But Eric Adams is gonna
Speaker 4: run as an independent. Then Clerdis Sleewah is out here
Speaker 4: getting ready to be the publican candidate Black folks ought
Speaker 4: to be demanding from everybody that's running that they address
Speaker 4: our issues. Everybodyani, We don't need to argue about your race,
Speaker 4: what you selected on the application, all of that.
Speaker 1: Don't even worry about that. I don't even hear that.
Speaker 1: This piece of paper here we want to talk about.
Speaker 4: And let's see how you feel about violence, prevention, police accountability, affordability,
Speaker 4: when food deserts, our benefits, health benefits, keeping our.
Speaker 1: Streets clean, you know, rats, That's what we want to know.
Speaker 4: What you're going to do about those things. And so
Speaker 4: if we put all of that on the table, this
Speaker 4: should be no divide. We should be able to make
Speaker 4: clear and concise decisions. And guess what, It is not
Speaker 4: easy what Mondannie is saying he wants to do. What
Speaker 4: Zorhan Mamdannie is proposing, is not easy to get done.
Speaker 4: I understand what you were saying. It's easy to understand
Speaker 4: what he's saying, got you, But it ain't easy to
Speaker 4: get those things done. He's gonna have to go through
Speaker 4: a whole lot of hell to work with the Assembly,
Speaker 4: which is where he is currently, and the New York
Speaker 4: State assembly person, and to get the city Council and
Speaker 4: all of these different entities on board for his ideas.
Speaker 4: But I'd rather have somebody who has ideas that speak
Speaker 4: to my real needs versus people who are just going
Speaker 4: to manage the status quo and leave things as it is,
Speaker 4: if not make it work exactly.
Speaker 3: And that's that's my whole thing.
Speaker 2: And I don't understand why that's not an easy choice
Speaker 2: for everybody, but it's not. We've we've shown that we
Speaker 2: will go against our best interests for the dumbest shit ever,
Speaker 2: like we really have. We really got Trump in office
Speaker 2: because people said, you know, that she wasn't black, or
Speaker 2: she wasn't smart, like shit. That that is so crazy
Speaker 2: to me that every time I listen to like, I
Speaker 2: go back and a new meme pops up every day
Speaker 2: about shit that's happening in America that Trump is, you know,
Speaker 2: ruining that she said last year, and it's just a
Speaker 2: new meme every time, and then I just look at
Speaker 2: it and be like, Yo, how did we get here?
Speaker 2: How did we get tricked into some stupid shit like this?
Speaker 2: Like I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1: But man wants to deport for him to even say.
Speaker 4: That's why My thing with Donald Trump is that their
Speaker 4: mindset is so nasty, it's so cruel that if you
Speaker 4: support them, I can't deal with you.
Speaker 1: I can't deal with you.
Speaker 2: It's not about it's not about policy, it's not even
Speaker 2: about government. It is about humanity.
Speaker 4: It's not about government efficiency. It's about humanity.
Speaker 2: It's about humanity. For me, it's like if I can't
Speaker 2: look at you and see that you have levels of
Speaker 2: humanity and human decency, like I don't even understand how
Speaker 2: we allow someone like this is this is a representation
Speaker 2: of our nation, and I know that other nations is
Speaker 2: looking like this. This is one of the worst human
Speaker 2: beings that I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: He's going to try to deport, which he won't, but
Speaker 4: he wants to even put out into the universe that
Speaker 4: he would like to deport a mayoral candidate in New
Speaker 4: York City, one man. But you know what, when Mandani wins,
Speaker 4: he is going to be the mayor of the most
Speaker 4: powerful city in the entire country. And by the way,
Speaker 4: he will be probably what thirty four thirty five years
Speaker 4: old when he takes offense. And so that is what
Speaker 4: That's another thing in the generational divide that people don't
Speaker 4: even believe that when you and yet that young into
Speaker 4: your thirties or your mid thirties, that you can even
Speaker 4: have that type of power. But I tell you, I
Speaker 4: think that if the brother is as smart as I
Speaker 4: believe he is, he will set up a cabinet of
Speaker 4: individuals who will help him to know what he doesn't know.
Speaker 4: And right now he's beginning to align himself with the
Speaker 4: right individuals that I know will help him to run
Speaker 4: this city the right way, or at least I believe that.
Speaker 4: But I guess I want I want to state this
Speaker 4: for the record. Sure the city is not in the
Speaker 4: worst place. I'm not gonna sit up here and say
Speaker 4: that Eric Adams is the worst mayor ever and the
Speaker 4: city is terrible and this and that, because that would
Speaker 4: be dishonest.
Speaker 1: It is not the case.
Speaker 4: I know people who are deputy mayors and other positions
Speaker 4: within the within the administration, and they are actually doing
Speaker 4: a good job, and they are attempting to keep this
Speaker 4: city running as best as possible. But what people need
Speaker 4: to understand is that folks are tired of the same
Speaker 4: old thing. People are looking for their needs to be met.
Speaker 4: They want to shift away from what we consider to
Speaker 4: be establishment politics, and they are looking for new life,
Speaker 4: new breath, new energy, new ideas, radical ideas that might
Speaker 4: take a while to get there, but it is somebody
Speaker 4: actually working on it and talking about it and addressing it.
Speaker 4: And if we don't catch up there, a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of other people are going to because they don't already
Speaker 4: caught up. So a lot of other people from other
Speaker 4: communities are going to take us to places, and we
Speaker 4: as black folks are still gonna be sitting around arguing
Speaker 4: about who didn't call us right on the phone and
Speaker 4: why we weren't invited to the thing, and then and
Speaker 4: then ultimately still trying to hold on to power that
Speaker 4: has shifted.
Speaker 2: In a good representation that is me and Brandon Scott
Speaker 2: in Baltimore and what he's done. And I just want
Speaker 2: to shout him out to you know, I met.
Speaker 1: Him really cool and we got to find y'all.
Speaker 3: We've gotta find my pictures are proposed to.
Speaker 2: But he has the fewest homicides ever in Baltimore twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five as a mayor, and he's probably he's in
Speaker 2: his thirties.
Speaker 1: Too, So we and he arrested some ice agent.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is this and this is the radical shift
Speaker 2: that people want. They want people who are for the people.
Speaker 2: They want to see youthful mentality, they want people who
Speaker 2: are not going with the status quo. Is just not
Speaker 2: gonna happen no more. So, you know, you know, if
Speaker 2: y'all don't get on board, we're going to lose the people.
Speaker 2: If we do not start electing the people that the
Speaker 2: people want, Yeah, it ain't gonna work.
Speaker 1: There's that I mean.
Speaker 4: And I'm not suggesting that we relinquish our, you know,
Speaker 4: as black folks, our position in all of this, because
Speaker 4: I think that we've got to be clear about our
Speaker 4: demands again. Now, the black Print is a document that
Speaker 4: is being worked on by a number of individuals. It's
Speaker 4: started without THEA Stevens in the City Council, you know her.
Speaker 4: She She and others, a bunch of people, including Angelo
Speaker 4: Pinto are co found at Until Freedom, have worked to
Speaker 4: build the black Print. That's what we got to focus on.
Speaker 4: And it's not to say we don't have, of course people.
Speaker 4: Eric Adams has folks who are gonna vote for him, right,
Speaker 4: They're gonna vote for him.
Speaker 1: They've been with him a long time.
Speaker 4: You got some black people who really feel like they
Speaker 4: have nobody to vote for because they don't necessarily know
Speaker 4: and or trust yet Mandannie. But then they don't also
Speaker 4: want Eric especially. You know, when you have Mayor Adams
Speaker 4: that is that has a flirtatious let me say a little.
Speaker 4: I don't know what you call his relationship with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I know that a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't like it, and so and so when you
Speaker 4: have those two things where they they feel like they
Speaker 4: don't have anybody, they don't know who they're gonna vote for.
Speaker 1: That's okay.
Speaker 4: It's okay to even say I'm standing with Mayor Adams,
Speaker 4: I'm with the black man, I'm gonna be with him.
Speaker 4: It's okay to say that. But when we start turning
Speaker 4: it into personal tax on people, that leans in the
Speaker 4: direction of Islamophobia, or we get ourselves involved in other
Speaker 4: community issues and start trying to uplift that as this
Speaker 4: big issue, to make Mamdani's look like he's anti this
Speaker 4: community or anti he's a hater of all people and
Speaker 4: he's violent.
Speaker 1: That's not cool. Just get your issues and argue the issues.
Speaker 4: I saw a conversation going on on Facebook with bishoply
Speaker 4: A Daughtry, but she was talking about if you freeze
Speaker 4: rent and you have landlords who still have to pay
Speaker 4: inflated heat like gas, you know, all the property, all
Speaker 4: the taxes, all the other things. How do you deal
Speaker 4: with that if they don't have an ability to use
Speaker 4: the money that's coming from rent to pay the higher
Speaker 4: costs for everything else that's increasing, Like, how do you
Speaker 4: balance it out? That is a question that Mamdannie needs
Speaker 4: to answer. Right, that's something that's that's a policy conversation
Speaker 4: that needs to happen. But now you start sharing articles
Speaker 4: from the Tablet magazine, which done called us anti semitic
Speaker 4: fifty thousand times over at Women's Mark, and you know,
Speaker 4: is a magazine that's pretty much a rag. You start
Speaker 4: sharing articles from them in the New York Post that's
Speaker 4: calling the man all kinds of things. And now you're
Speaker 4: into whether or not he checked the wrong box here
Speaker 4: or it there. You don't really have a policy argument.
Speaker 4: You trying to do personal stuff versus dealing with the policy.
Speaker 1: And I hope black people don't don't do that.
Speaker 3: You in the smear campaign and.
Speaker 1: Thing, Okay, there you go, that's the right word.
Speaker 2: So it is what it is, it's gonna be what
Speaker 2: it's gonna be that brings us to the end of
Speaker 2: another episode, an amazing episode. Shout out to our brother
Speaker 2: Hakim Green for his interview, and I hope that you
Speaker 2: took something back from this interview. You know, me and
Speaker 2: Hakim talked about a lot of political is as well
Speaker 2: as hip hop, but we also talked about just the
Speaker 2: state of America right now and it was real deep man,
Speaker 2: and I hope that you and you said that you
Speaker 2: enjoyed the interview, so that brings us to the end
Speaker 2: of another episode. I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika D.
Speaker 2: Malory and I could always be wrong, but we will
Speaker 2: both always and I mean always, be authentic