WEBVTT - Conversations About Sin

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<v Speaker 1>Wat's up and welcome back to another episode of No

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<v Speaker 1>Sinners Podcast with your hosts now fuck That with your

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<v Speaker 1>loaw glasses Malone. Question check check question who said being

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<v Speaker 1>gay was a sin? The Bible? What Bible? Who wrote it?

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<v Speaker 1>How y'all figure being gay is a sin? I'm genuinely asking.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a post I came across on Instagram, Pete,

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<v Speaker 1>M marit it one more time? Question who said being

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<v Speaker 1>gay was a sin? The Bible? What Bible? Who wrote it?

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<v Speaker 1>How y'all figure being gay as a sin? I'm genuinely asking. Now, Pete,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't strike me as the most religious person in

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<v Speaker 1>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably fair. I'm not going to push back on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know you read a lot. I know you

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<v Speaker 1>read a lot. I'm sure you read through the Bible before.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've came across a few books, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of passages.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've heard some. I've heard some conversations, some elongated

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<v Speaker 2>philosophical conversations about the Bible. I've ever, really, myself read

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<v Speaker 2>it a lot than the Church a good number of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got to read the Bible. It's really a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of work. But it's a dope book. Of books.

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<v Speaker 3>It was crazy. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why they don't sell it separately, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I've been searching on Amazon to buy.

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<v Speaker 2>It separately, Like like the Harry Potter books. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>I never read those either.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate that is, I dislike.

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<v Speaker 1>I severely dislike it comes as one book when it's

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<v Speaker 1>a book of multiple books. Yeah, it's like imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>the Encyclopedia came as one book.

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<v Speaker 3>It'd be like, bro, why.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was you know, one of those you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was written by a lot of Jewish authors,

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<v Speaker 2>and they probably came up with some sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, accounting matrix in which the marketing for a

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<v Speaker 2>single book at a given price might generate more volume

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<v Speaker 2>among consumers. We're good at that, they're good that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true.

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<v Speaker 4>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea, that's for sure. But you will

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<v Speaker 3>get canceled over.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the record saying if I was ever going

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<v Speaker 2>to be religious, I would I would like to be

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish because I appreciate their discipline level to their faith

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<v Speaker 2>as a lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 3>What's crazy is speaking of Jewish people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's where the Black Church goes wrong compared

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<v Speaker 1>to the Jewish you know synagogue. Mm hmmm, is did

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<v Speaker 1>you Jewish synagogue forces the true concept of church, which

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<v Speaker 1>is community fellowshipping. Like I think from reading and studying,

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<v Speaker 1>the simple basis of a church is just a community center.

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish people, if I understand correctly from my attorney and

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<v Speaker 1>different people, they're forced to go to a synagogue within

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<v Speaker 1>miles of their house, like everybody in the community goes

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<v Speaker 1>to the same synagod.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't be like the Mormons do that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it ain't like Rabbi good Men got the good

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<v Speaker 1>you know sermons over there, you know, four or five

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<v Speaker 1>miles away. I like Rabbi Goodman's sermon, or I like

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<v Speaker 1>the choir over there, you know, thirteen fifteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundred miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna go to this church for personal reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's a huge issue.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also I also go to church.

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<v Speaker 1>For the most selfish, fucking reasons thousand percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's true. And Black communities churches fall under

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<v Speaker 2>the umbrella of particularly North American but like Western you know,

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<v Speaker 2>newer like Protestant churches two point zero, not like the

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<v Speaker 2>hardcore original like German Lutheran whatever, but like the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the last one to two hundred years kind of second

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<v Speaker 2>generation Protestant interpretation of Christianity.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, in addition to you to to what you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying on that point is there's a lot of this, well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's too much acceptance for shortcoming in the church is

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<v Speaker 2>as far as falling short of what the standard and

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<v Speaker 2>what your own standard should be with adhering to the

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<v Speaker 2>word it's well, nobody's perfect. Only God can judge me.

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<v Speaker 2>Blah blah blah blah blah. To try to just dismiss

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<v Speaker 2>actions that deviate from the standard defined preferred actions.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean, really hold that thought.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get back to that cool, because that was

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation I was having with my homeboy ju my

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<v Speaker 1>homeboy wan I was telling him about this same conversation

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<v Speaker 1>and he was telling me that sin.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't believe sin.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you could ask for forgiveness for sin if

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, what's the difference between murder and homicide?

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<v Speaker 3>If it's pre what's.

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<v Speaker 4>The word I'm looking for, premeditated?

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<v Speaker 3>Premeditated.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, if you premeditated sin, Like, you can't ask

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<v Speaker 1>for forgiveness, and I'm like, nigga, all sins are premeditated. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't accidentally lie, you just lie and you know

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of time you're gonna lie. Now, sure, did you

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<v Speaker 1>sit at home and plan to tell that lie? Versus

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<v Speaker 1>you know right before you told the lie, you knew

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lie. It's all premeditated.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's accidents, but I think there's being so reckless,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's like there's murder, there's manslaughter. You know, your

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<v Speaker 2>murder one premeditated murder or murder two and you got

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<v Speaker 2>manslaughter and then you just have it was an accident. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>now I think that manslaughter area is I understand it

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<v Speaker 2>was an accident, but you were so reckless and undisciplined

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<v Speaker 2>that you made that accident much more likely to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>and you need some consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we're gonna come back to that because I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to get into that. But back to the

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<v Speaker 1>point of black churches. I think now everybody is going

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<v Speaker 1>to the church that suits their personal needs versus understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>The concept was to make the community to come together

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<v Speaker 1>and poolish resources together and help each other in all

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<v Speaker 1>times and needs. You know, that's the point of a church.

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<v Speaker 1>It's for the community. It's the centerpiece of a community.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I remember, you know, being on one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventeenth Street, and mostly nobody went to the

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<v Speaker 1>little church that was on one hundred and seventeenth Street,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's actually a church on the seven, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody went to that church. And I always thought that

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<v Speaker 1>that was weird, Like it was people who worked on

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<v Speaker 1>the seven that were like managers, like hiring managers at

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<v Speaker 1>like Edison, and it was people on the seven that

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<v Speaker 1>needed a job. Yet the two people did not come

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<v Speaker 1>together in pool resources because the older man that lived

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<v Speaker 1>in the community that worked at Edison that could have

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<v Speaker 1>hired people, you know, he didn't know what everybody needs.

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<v Speaker 1>So he looked at everybody kind of like they screw

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<v Speaker 1>up or they was fucking up and they didn't want nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And the people that might have wanted the job looked

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<v Speaker 1>at him like he was staying offish and didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be involved, you know. And even the good things

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<v Speaker 1>in the community. So a place like church, where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you come together and you worship together, and you could

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<v Speaker 1>see people at their most barrassed moments, you know, spiritually

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<v Speaker 1>you could see what's going on, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's the church is a great idea

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<v Speaker 1>in a suception, but we misuse it so bad, and

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<v Speaker 1>we it's so self servient for us, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, So we don't get the maximum ount of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't raise our whole community the way it should.

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<v Speaker 1>No sillings, gl my man Peter in the house for me,

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<v Speaker 1>we rocking getting to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think also when you when you really like

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<v Speaker 2>to make up a word potentially here like delocalized sure

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<v Speaker 2>the church, you get to a point where in your

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<v Speaker 2>day to day life you only see other people from

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<v Speaker 2>the church or the pastor from the church once a

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<v Speaker 2>week for an hour or two, in opposed to seeing

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<v Speaker 2>those people all the time. One thing that like I

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<v Speaker 2>hear a lot of mis understands, the misinterpretations of like Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 2>But and one of them has to do with confession

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<v Speaker 2>and confessing your sins to the priest. The reason that

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<v Speaker 2>that is a thing is because and I actually I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a good thing is you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in older times, you would go to your local church

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<v Speaker 2>and that and the priest would serve as like your

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual leader. So you confess your sins to a person.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not you're trying to absolve yourself, you know, through

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<v Speaker 2>God by telling him this stuff. It's it's you. You

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<v Speaker 2>have a person, another individual to whom you are privately

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<v Speaker 2>accountable for your own shortcomings, even like the ones you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to tell nobody else.

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<v Speaker 3>And even then, I think you just are inspired. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think people in this. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask my attorney, I'll ask a couple of homies,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think you know, Jewish people in the church,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Oh you had that port the other day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's really what's going on. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're inspired, and you're guided not only by the centerpiece

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<v Speaker 1>of the church. You know, not only by the centerpiece

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<v Speaker 1>of the church, but you're also guided.

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<v Speaker 3>By each member.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and a lot of the things that make

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<v Speaker 1>us kind of fall short and seeing in general, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>are hardships, are challenging days where you can't make simple

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<v Speaker 1>things happen. And those resources also help with people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those resources also help with people to keep them on

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<v Speaker 1>the straight and narrow. Yeah, But the initial point was

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<v Speaker 1>we was talking about. Before I talked to you, I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to Steel too, praying FMC is in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Something happened. I'm praying for them, hoping ain't nothing serious.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was telling Steel being gay is not a sin.

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<v Speaker 1>And still, you know, big Steal as they call him

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet, Norman Norman Norm Norm still tends to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my big brother jumps to conclusions really fast.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, I'll explain to him, being gay is

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<v Speaker 1>not a sin, Like the initial question, being gay is

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<v Speaker 1>not a sin?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot help who you are attracted to the act

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<v Speaker 1>of homosexuality, laying with men as you lay with women.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the sin, It's the actual act. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to explain that to him because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times when we be talking about sin, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>weird for this person to say that, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet, Like if you're going to dispute the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible and you don't get that the Bible is inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by God or you don't believe that, why even use

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<v Speaker 1>the term sin?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Why use that term? Sin wouldn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Without the Bible, Sin wouldn't exist without religion, Like why

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<v Speaker 1>would you even use that term.

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<v Speaker 3>But but back to her, back to her question, it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>being gay is not a sin, you know, pursuing the

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<v Speaker 3>actual emotions of being gay, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>specualize with men the way you lay with women as

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<v Speaker 3>a man would be the sin. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a good comp to that is like say

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<v Speaker 2>alcoholics anonymous, You're you're an alcoholic. You want to drink,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you don't drink while you're still an alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not in like violation of the standard. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. You're you're going to be an alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you are, but as long as you're not drinking, you're,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in good standard.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great point. And you understand that this can.

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<v Speaker 3>Need to how do I say it? Unnatural issues?

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought about the whole thing, like writing as

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<v Speaker 1>a crip. I'm like, even if you sein, why not

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<v Speaker 1>just wear it?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, deal with God when it's time, if God knows

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<v Speaker 1>your heart, if you ask for forgiveness. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you and God to have the conversation that y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>Need to have.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was weird that we're slowly trying to watch

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<v Speaker 1>people justify unnatural things for no reason when you could

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<v Speaker 1>just live your life how you live your life.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've not ever really understood that community's desire to

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<v Speaker 5>There's a spectrum.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like, look, don't beat a ship out of me,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is a lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 4>I get that it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Reasonable, But asking everybody to like you or like what

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing because of that, that's that's further over on

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<v Speaker 2>the spectrum. And it post just saying yeah, look like, okay, great,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you don't like that I'm gay. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what I'm gonna be gay.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna do gay, be gay. Gay is

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. I'm not gonna change my mind over

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<v Speaker 2>because of your opinion. So you know, as long as

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<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna do anything drastic to me, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>what it is, so you can figure out how to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with it on your own terms. But I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do what I want to do. I don't see why

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<v Speaker 2>there's a problem in as long as the other actor

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<v Speaker 2>does not like, throw a rock at the guy or.

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<v Speaker 5>Whatever the hell.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's weird that you have people trying to dispute

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<v Speaker 1>it like it's not It's not just about that specific lifestyle, right, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take it to be in the crypt. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of deaths happen in cripping

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<v Speaker 1>that are unnatural, you know what I mean, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>could cause a lot of trauma, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the goal is to make it a

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<v Speaker 1>sinless lifestyle, you know what I mean. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the goal is. I think the goal is

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<v Speaker 1>is like, this is how I'm living my life, and I'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal with God.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just weird to watch people consistently try to

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<v Speaker 1>rewrite it. Like I saw someone say, oh, the original

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<v Speaker 1>scripture said man should not lay with children the way

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<v Speaker 1>they lay with women. For sure, they didn't say that

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<v Speaker 1>in the fucking Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And and also, you know, people don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think God, I think God never said that Pete.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, because he thought motherfuckers.

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<v Speaker 1>Had common sense, Like there's a natural thing that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, with the woman that tells you

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<v Speaker 1>when it's time for her to start entering womanhood. We

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<v Speaker 1>can argue about the age of it. You know, some

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<v Speaker 1>women especially in today's time where the.

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<v Speaker 3>Food is punt with hormones.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're getting their periods at nine ten, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>really unique young ages.

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<v Speaker 3>So I get that conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>But to constantly ignore the naturalness of most things because

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<v Speaker 1>we think we're smarter than nature.

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<v Speaker 3>Itself, it's crazy to me. Yeah, I watch parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Like like I watched like one of the commandments I

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<v Speaker 1>remember was thousay not thou shallt not disrespect thy mother

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<v Speaker 1>and my father.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever notice see Now, I can't say this is

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<v Speaker 1>certain for everybody, but I noticed growing up and being

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<v Speaker 1>around parents with children and shit. One of the main

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<v Speaker 1>things that make, you know, young adults or teenagers start

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<v Speaker 1>getting an attitude is when they start fucking. Like when

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<v Speaker 1>when your kids start fucking them motherfuckers need a job,

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<v Speaker 1>This is my belief. At that point, pumping everything in

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<v Speaker 1>the world and all of that shit, and you keep

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<v Speaker 1>treating them like a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>They gonna talk to you like they crazy when they start.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking, especially girls, they gonna talk to you fucking craziest

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<v Speaker 1>hell when they start fucking because they think they know something.

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<v Speaker 1>They barely start wiping their little coachy. They ask and

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<v Speaker 1>they gonna tell somebody's parents some shit. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's because even today, we're holding on to children a

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<v Speaker 1>lot longer. We're keeping them children.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot longer. They don't want to be children a

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<v Speaker 3>lot longer.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all really smart enough to take advantage of their parents,

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<v Speaker 1>so they'll play like a kid until you catch them

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Then they'll talk to you like they lost they

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<v Speaker 1>fucking mind, and then when they kind of not, then

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<v Speaker 1>they'll go back to being a kid when they need

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<v Speaker 1>a ride somewhere. I think we're holding you know, young

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<v Speaker 1>adults hostage too long as children, believing that it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to strengthen them for the future. And it's like, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>once your kids jump into adulthood, right and they embark

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<v Speaker 1>on fucking, you know, and that type of sin of

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<v Speaker 1>pre marital sex, your mother fucking asked me the fucking job.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>There's there's a lot of like conservative thought leaders that

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<v Speaker 6>discuss the culture of prolonged adolescents quote unquote in the

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<v Speaker 6>country right now, and I think that's certainly true.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that also within that time frame, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>from not only the the prolonged adolescents of like not

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<v Speaker 2>being responsible for yourself into your twenties or however the

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<v Speaker 2>hell long. But like even in general, this you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bubble wrapping the whole world so that you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>can protect their kids to you know, to the fault

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<v Speaker 2>of them failing to learn any lessons. So that so

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<v Speaker 2>then there is no preparedness. You you transition, you learn

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<v Speaker 2>slowly and transition rapidly. If you don't learn slowly during

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<v Speaker 2>that time frame and transition rapidly, you're gonna get demolished.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think another aspect I've heard talked about on

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<v Speaker 2>that point is that the average number of kids people

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<v Speaker 2>have is so much smaller now. That's like you have

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<v Speaker 2>one kid that they you know, I can't afford to

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<v Speaker 2>have anything happened to my one kid. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>had four kids, it's like, yeah, well a little Johnny

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<v Speaker 2>ran across the street to chase a ball and whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of thing from previous generations.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the most unreasonable sin that you could think of

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<v Speaker 1>that you heard?

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<v Speaker 4>Unreasonable sin?

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<v Speaker 3>You like that that's a sin?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like I always think about sins, and I'll be like,

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<v Speaker 1>they all pretty much make sense to me.

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<v Speaker 4>At one and I guess it's not a New Testament sin.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's an old Testament sin something about shellfish some nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like pigs, they eat a lot of trash.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but like shellfish for that reason, anatomically have like

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<v Speaker 2>more of the type of matter that it takes, that

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<v Speaker 2>like your body takes, than the organs that you'll cleanse

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<v Speaker 2>your body. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean I guess yeah, in the basic logic, sure, but

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<v Speaker 2>that seems a little bit a little bit interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think now, for I'm not a Christian, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very much a follower of Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Christ is an awesome, you know character in the story.

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<v Speaker 3>The way he lived his life. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 3>what it was about. I truly.

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<v Speaker 1>Aspire to live in a sense with that type of

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<v Speaker 1>courage and that type of thought thoughtfulness when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to other human beings, Like that's important to me. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the greatest people I've ever read about

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<v Speaker 1>in the story, right, And I'm not talking about anything

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the story itself, minus the magic tricks, minus

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all of the water, the wine. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>even really the thing to me, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>It's the way no different than Martin Luther King, the

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<v Speaker 1>way he fought for causes, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and stood for people and tried to help people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get going and do the best they can.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my kind of guy, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So I aspire, but I think as and we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this with a real fight. Oh and I think

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<v Speaker 1>joker before about the way human beings start to feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they need, the way human beings need to interpret things,

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<v Speaker 1>and how some of the brightest minds in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like let's say, if we're talking counselor and

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<v Speaker 1>I see it and all the different really bright priests

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<v Speaker 1>and different people, how they understood Jesus needed to be

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<v Speaker 1>delivered to human beings so they can follow him, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. I do think there were efforts

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<v Speaker 1>made to.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, to.

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<v Speaker 1>Prop him up in a way to where people can really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just really be inspired and just follow blind,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not mad at.

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<v Speaker 1>It, because that's the kind of person in theory you

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<v Speaker 1>should follow, Briannie, you know what I mean, based off

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<v Speaker 1>of the story. It's just my issue with my intellect

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<v Speaker 1>is when those people come together right and they understand

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<v Speaker 1>that most human beings don't have enough time to think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so they like, okay, how can we send

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<v Speaker 1>people on a proper course without them having to think?

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<v Speaker 1>So I respect that, But then you have a thinker

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<v Speaker 1>like me, Right, who's somebody that I didn't want? I

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<v Speaker 1>hate that, I think so much. I don't hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to lose it, but it definitely makes life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hard at times. So I do think genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>that there are some things that are positioned to help

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<v Speaker 1>the everyday non thinker. But then somebody like me, I

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<v Speaker 1>always start to question. It seems like seeing is just

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<v Speaker 1>things that are unnatural. You don't see children in nature

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<v Speaker 1>eating their parents, yeah, I mean you don't see those

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<v Speaker 1>spiders eating their moms and dads. I mean you don't see.

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<v Speaker 1>You might see it the other way, but you don't

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<v Speaker 1>see it that way. So a lot of the the

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<v Speaker 1>efforts was seeing and and things that are saying are

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<v Speaker 1>just things that go against simple nature. They got some

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<v Speaker 1>crazy ones, especially in the Old Testament, especially when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to slavery. But I do think there was

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<v Speaker 1>a time in the world where you know, slavery was

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<v Speaker 1>just every day, like, you know, like nothing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like having a warehouse, you know what I mean. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think there were rules for that time that made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I think God like might have frowned down and said, hey, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>slavery is wrong. I'm sure he looked at human beings like, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what y'all want to do, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>What I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, okay, And then when America obviously got to hold

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<v Speaker 1>the slaves, you know, they, you know, the degenerates from

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<v Speaker 1>England came and just ruined it. You know, a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of country poor motherfuckers, you know, inherited.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>Cargo which were human beings and just were trash with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, didn't treat it correctly. Miss miss did too much,

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<v Speaker 1>and that became, you know, the beginning of the end

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<v Speaker 1>for slavery. But I think when we talk sins, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the concepts are just things that go against nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of points in there, I think. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that, Yeah, there's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>that don't have time to think. I also think that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of people who are more weak than

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<v Speaker 2>they are strong. So if given the opportunity to think,

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<v Speaker 2>they canure of some bogus way to rationalize a contextual

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<v Speaker 2>or some sort of soft you know, letter of the

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<v Speaker 2>law versus spirit of the law, type of justification for

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<v Speaker 2>doing what they want to do, not what they're quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but do they really or accept that they're sinning, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>give me an example of something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be That is probably the root behind most

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<v Speaker 2>people's different interpretations of the Bible in general. And people

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the Bible. You go one hundred churches, they're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it one hundred ways for one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 2>And then people try to go about, well it's not

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<v Speaker 2>technically a sin if dot dot dot, or well, really

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<v Speaker 2>I did this, so it's not really dot dot dot.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a very common Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I think that's their way of getting

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<v Speaker 1>from under the judgment of other human beings.

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<v Speaker 3>I think personally they don't believe this shit, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think they're trying to get from under

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<v Speaker 1>the thumb and judgment of other human beings, so they

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<v Speaker 1>say things to try to move it over. Humans are

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<v Speaker 1>so concerned with what other humans think, which is rightful.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are, you know, very much an interlink and chain.

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>But people are way too feared to like they're too fearful.

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>People are scared to be judged. Like one thing I'm

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>not and it became the most integral thing for me

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>as an artist and even as a creator in general,

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 1>is not worried about being judged, you know, being willing

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>to to to to push myself into judgment, you know

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.440
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, being okay, Like I always tell Joe

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and Douce this from La Giants said. I said, I'm like,

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you have to give your self space to be misunderstood,

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 1>Like you have to find a space where you okay

0:27:58.440 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 1>with being misunderstood.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I might get to this day.

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I probably still get five to ten comments every day

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>on different platforms, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, in the streets about

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Tupaca must die. So sometimes I answer them, you know

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.120
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, maybe three out of four I'm like, oh,

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, well, what do you mean? Let me let's

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>go into it. The rest of them. I just don't

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>mind being misunderstood. You know, somebody could say, oh gods,

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>it's disrespective pop and I'll be like whatever, I'm not

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna you know, if that's what you think of it, fine,

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, I'm okay with you thinking

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>that it's not the end of the world. I'm not

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to you know, the people that I would need

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>to talk to in that situation I already talked to,

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. The people I need to

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 1>talk to in that situation outside the mopreme, I already

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>talked to. So I'm okay with being judged, I mean,

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>And that's what true power lies in that, you know

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. True power lies in the willingness to

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<v Speaker 1>be judged and be okay if people disagree with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure, I think I think there's also I

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 4>think people like to I don't obviously do not like

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 4>being judged negatively by other people.

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 2>I think also people there's a there's a large share

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 2>of human beings that can't deal with the burden of

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 2>their own internalized guilt and shame. So if they can

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 2>externalize it into some other standard outside of them, like

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>an oracle of shame, and then try to manipulate the

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>relationship of the oracle of shame to their action in

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a way that can shield them from that, they'll take

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 2>that opportunity.

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>The irony is, that's my greatest issues with Like, I

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>have a natural issue with people who are snitches, right,

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and snitches being let's context it again. Let's put it

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 1>in context people who are criminals, people committed to criminal

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>lifestyle and being a criminal. You know that world, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter which level of life, a criminal that is willing

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>to you know, that incriminates someone else to avoid punishment

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>for themselves.

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 3>That's what a snitch is.

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>So those are my greatest issues with somebody like Troy

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>av and Takashi right where it's like they're just out

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>in the public manipulating the.

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<v Speaker 3>Story I would have.

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's going to be hard for me to

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>have respect for a snitch because you're a coward. You

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be accountable for your own shit. But

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I would have more respect if you were willing to

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>be accountable, if you came out and you're like, yeah, man,

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I told because I didn't want to go to jail

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>for twenty years.

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 3>I reassessed the situation.

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did some bullshit, but it was an opportunity

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>for me not to go to prison for twenty years,

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and I took it. You know, I did whatever I

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>had to do to make sure I didn't lose twenty

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>years of my life to prison. Like I would have

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 1>more respect for you as a man after I'd be like, damn, well,

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>you know he went out like a sucker, but he

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>knew what it was. What bothers me is when they

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>try to manipulate the general public, that's a sin in itself.

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:23.959
<v Speaker 1>They're trying to manipulate the general public and reposition it

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>like I've heard people say, oh, well, Troy Avenue, it's

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>in self defense, and I'm like, no, it's not. If

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>it was in self defense, he wouldn't he wouldn't even

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>be charged with a crime, you know what I mean. Like,

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and you know, people and people like Troy ad people

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>like Takashi are very much people from the street. They

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 1>understand everything. These are really cunning guys. I'm not gonna

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>say smart, they're cunning, you know what I mean. They

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>don't really have the spine that they should have as men,

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>but they're really cunning. So they are manipulating the masses

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 1>because the masses will you know, you know, they gonna tell.

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>The general public is gonna tell because they don't want

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 1>to go to jail for one day, you.

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Know what I'm saying.

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>So they for sure ain't doing no crime, and they

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 1>will tell, you know, to make sure that their life

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>ain't in danger. So they know you people like them.

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>They know who they are talking to. They know they're

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>talking to people, so they know how to appeal to

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe these people's nature, like, oh, well, you know what,

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>my friend got murdered and you know, and he's my enemy.

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't owe him loyalty. It's like, what does loyalty

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>have to do with this? You told because you didn't

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>want to go to prison. You didn't tell as a

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>good will samaritan.

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 3>That was the case.

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>You're aware of a lot of crimes.

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 3>That's all on every crime you know about.

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I even think that like to some degree,

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, depending on how you want to define that

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 2>world as a dog eat dog world, like even like

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Whitey Bulger, he was snitching as he was just snitching

0:32:56.600 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 2>as a weapon, you know, he was telling you, is right,

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 2>He was telling on Italian's other Irish mob. He was

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 2>telling on anybody that he could have profited from their removal.

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, So I mean is day one. No,

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:16.479
<v Speaker 2>it's different.

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're right, it is different because that's like, oh,

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>this dude's a dirty player. But again, it's one of

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>those things where you know, it's one of those things

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>where you understand why these concepts need to be in

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>place because you watch people all the time. They don't

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>have scruples. They are so busy trying to push their

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 1>personal agenda on the world. And you write like something

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>you said earlier, and it keeps, you know, floating in

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 1>my fucking mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Dog. It's like they can't deal with the self shame.

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>So they have to try to go out Like I

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.959
<v Speaker 1>thought it was for everybody else, it's for themselves.

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 3>They have to create a space.

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 1>For themselves to go out and steal, you know, feel

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 1>like something about them is honorable or real. Yeah, we

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know how to, but it's crazy. People don't have

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 1>shame no more. I keep saying that people don't have

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:19.240
<v Speaker 1>shame no more. It's personal, so you know, it's deep.

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking about it a lot. A lot of

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 1>stuff been on my mind, man, and my leg is

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 3>At a really good space.

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm probably about sixty percent so off the around pod

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and overdrive, you know what I'm saying. Because it's a

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff I need to work out of my mind,

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 3>I need to work it out yeah.

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 2>And one thing that's always bothered me is you see,

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:47.760
<v Speaker 2>like a person who's committing crime a right, and they're

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of proud of the fact that they're a renegade

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the hell, and then after the fact it's

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:58.360
<v Speaker 2>not they get caught, and then they pivot the conversation, Oh, well,

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>that's just weird. That shouldn't be illegal anyway. It was

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 2>illegal when you were doing it. It carried ten years.

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>You knew it carried ten years, and you did it

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 2>and you got ten years. Don't back out now, like, oh,

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think personally, I don't think. Yeah, everybody thinks

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 2>that whatever the fuck you could think it was, you

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 2>did it, you got caught. Be a fucking man. There's

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:26.279
<v Speaker 2>a reason why there was so much money in it

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 2>for you at that time, because most people didn't want

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 2>to endure that. You said, fuck it, that's what it is.

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 3>You know what's crazy. I'd be willing to bet.

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you listening to this podcast, maybe someone

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>else could look it up.

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.959
<v Speaker 3>I'd be willing to bet. Most violent crimes happened under

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 3>the influence. I don't think. I don't think humans really

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 3>have the nuts.

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 2>No, most most violent crimes.

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't think humans really have the nuts no to

0:35:58.520 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 3>do it.

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.879
<v Speaker 1>I genuinely think think that they have to be under

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the influence certain homies who was riders, you know, and

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.359
<v Speaker 1>did they stuff close that door?

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Certain people who did that, who did they stuff? You

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying.

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 1>They were always smoking, sharned, they was always drinking. It's

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 1>like they didn't want to be bothered with the mental repercussions.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Back to the same point you made, that thing is

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>sticking in my head that it might be true.

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>I think it's very true. And I've watched people have

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.360
<v Speaker 2>those moments in real time and it's like, I know

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 2>what you're doing, what's happening here. But you're absolutely right

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 2>as far as the influence. I mean, what percentage of

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:45.280
<v Speaker 2>domestic violence happens because somebody's been drinking probably seventy eighty ninety.

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.320
<v Speaker 2>You could have a thousand people in a condensed area

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 2>in downtown doing business in the daytime. You an't going

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 2>to see ten fights breakout. But you take a thousand

0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 2>people in the square mile of a bar district at night,

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.839
<v Speaker 2>if you fights break out every single time.

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's true.

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.320
<v Speaker 1>And I talk to people who drink, they really don't

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>be remembering what happened, like it might even be something

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:14.720
<v Speaker 1>good and they don't remember it happened.

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've done that a hundred times.

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm ki, Why would you go out to happen all

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the night to not remember what happened.

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.879
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's not deliberate, you know, it's it's it's

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 2>it's it's that slippery You start sliding down that wet

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.919
<v Speaker 2>grass on the hill and you're like, oh, it's cool,

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm sliding now. Then your assha, and you're all the

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 2>way down to the bottom of hell.

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:41.720
<v Speaker 3>What the hell happened?

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, you're trying, You're trying to stay in a

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 2>in a little window, and most of the time you do.

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Most of the time you do, but when you start

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 2>to lose it and fall.

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Out, you don't realize it.

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 2>So you're all the way out, and then when you're

0:37:56.120 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>all the way out, you're out. M dude, this is

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>a real funny story. So my friend's fortieth birthday, there

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 2>was three fortieth birthdays being celebrated congruently in Scottsdale over

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 2>the weekend. I get there Thursday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday's birthday

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 2>shots and I'm really trying to deliberately stay very, very

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 2>level of sustainable. Because it was a long weekend, made

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 2>it all the way through Saturday night. I didn't even

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.080
<v Speaker 2>get drunk to the point and they could give me shots.

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 2>It just felt like I was taking a poison ivy trip.

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 2>The more I had, the more I had to drink,

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the worse I feel drink achy. I didn't even feel drunk.

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I felt achy. Then I go see my buddy on Sunday.

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 2>After all this, everybody's dispersed from my friends in Arizona.

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 2>We're sitting out barbecuing whatever. Had a couple little He's like,

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, he drinks shots. I usually don't drink shots.

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 2>We had a couple shots, nothing major. I think maybe

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 2>three or four. Dude, I swear to god, all of

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 2>three four previous days just collapsed right on my head

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>right I'm throwing up, I'm funning sleep. It was az

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.839
<v Speaker 2>You'd think I had thirty shots. It was like, but

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, all of it just crushed me from

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:08.280
<v Speaker 2>the previous three days. At three point thirty pm that afternoon,

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I just got smashed those awfuls embarrassed as all health.

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>It was like I would know how y'all sit around

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 1>and poison y'allself human beings. Crazy, It's truth, It's true.

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's crazy. They'd be like, how you don't drink.

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I ain't never drink. Like, how you don't drink?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like like, why would I consciously poison myself?

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't need poison, like you're gonna die?

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<v Speaker 4>But like poison, Yeah, I hear you, typically.

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<v Speaker 3>What if I need that to have fun?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me figure out how to just have fun, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need a shortcut to having no fucking fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Telling you, most people drink because that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that same thing that the counselor that I see

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<v Speaker 1>and Constantine understood about human beings when they were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of framing doing all the framework for Christianity, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>before they presented it, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Understood this natural nature of human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>To just follow. I can't I have people while you drink.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, do it taste good? No, it don't taste good?

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<v Speaker 3>Say why the fuck would you poison yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Like to get to a point of oh I feel better,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why not just feel better?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, if you have problems, why not go fucking deal

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<v Speaker 1>with the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, people will always People are like water. They will

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<v Speaker 2>find the path of least resistance every time.

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<v Speaker 1>Good looking out for tuning into the note Seller's podcast.

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