Speaker 1: Wat's up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sinners Podcast with your hosts now fuck That with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses Malone. Question check check question who said being
Speaker 1: gay was a sin? The Bible? What Bible? Who wrote it?
Speaker 1: How y'all figure being gay is a sin? I'm genuinely asking.
Speaker 1: That was a post I came across on Instagram, Pete,
Speaker 1: M marit it one more time? Question who said being
Speaker 1: gay was a sin? The Bible? What Bible? Who wrote it?
Speaker 1: How y'all figure being gay as a sin? I'm genuinely asking. Now, Pete,
Speaker 1: you don't strike me as the most religious person in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: That's probably fair. I'm not going to push back on that.
Speaker 1: But I know you read a lot. I know you
Speaker 1: read a lot. I'm sure you read through the Bible before.
Speaker 1: I know you've came across a few books, a couple
Speaker 1: of passages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard some. I've heard some conversations, some elongated
Speaker 2: philosophical conversations about the Bible. I've ever, really, myself read
Speaker 2: it a lot than the Church a good number of times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to read the Bible. It's really a
Speaker 1: lot of work. But it's a dope book. Of books.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they don't sell it separately, Like
Speaker 1: I've been searching on Amazon to buy.
Speaker 2: It separately, Like like the Harry Potter books. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: I never read those either.
Speaker 3: I hate that is, I dislike.
Speaker 1: I severely dislike it comes as one book when it's
Speaker 1: a book of multiple books. Yeah, it's like imagine if
Speaker 1: the Encyclopedia came as one book.
Speaker 3: It'd be like, bro, why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was you know, one of those you know.
Speaker 2: I think it was written by a lot of Jewish authors,
Speaker 2: and they probably came up with some sort of a
Speaker 2: you know, accounting matrix in which the marketing for a
Speaker 2: single book at a given price might generate more volume
Speaker 2: among consumers. We're good at that, they're good that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, that's for sure. But you will
Speaker 3: get canceled over.
Speaker 4: Hey.
Speaker 2: I'm on the record saying if I was ever going
Speaker 2: to be religious, I would I would like to be
Speaker 2: Jewish because I appreciate their discipline level to their faith
Speaker 2: as a lifestyle.
Speaker 3: What's crazy is speaking of Jewish people.
Speaker 1: I think that's where the Black Church goes wrong compared
Speaker 1: to the Jewish you know synagogue. Mm hmmm, is did
Speaker 1: you Jewish synagogue forces the true concept of church, which
Speaker 1: is community fellowshipping. Like I think from reading and studying,
Speaker 1: the simple basis of a church is just a community center.
Speaker 1: Jewish people, if I understand correctly from my attorney and
Speaker 1: different people, they're forced to go to a synagogue within
Speaker 1: miles of their house, like everybody in the community goes
Speaker 1: to the same synagod.
Speaker 2: They can't be like the Mormons do that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it ain't like Rabbi good Men got the good
Speaker 1: you know sermons over there, you know, four or five
Speaker 1: miles away. I like Rabbi Goodman's sermon, or I like
Speaker 1: the choir over there, you know, thirteen fifteen.
Speaker 3: Hundred miles away.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go to this church for personal reasons,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a huge issue.
Speaker 3: And I also I also go to church.
Speaker 1: For the most selfish, fucking reasons thousand percent.
Speaker 2: I think that's true. And Black communities churches fall under
Speaker 2: the umbrella of particularly North American but like Western you know,
Speaker 2: newer like Protestant churches two point zero, not like the
Speaker 2: hardcore original like German Lutheran whatever, but like the you know,
Speaker 2: the last one to two hundred years kind of second
Speaker 2: generation Protestant interpretation of Christianity.
Speaker 4: The thing that.
Speaker 2: I think, in addition to you to to what you
Speaker 2: were saying on that point is there's a lot of this, well,
Speaker 2: there's too much acceptance for shortcoming in the church is
Speaker 2: as far as falling short of what the standard and
Speaker 2: what your own standard should be with adhering to the
Speaker 2: word it's well, nobody's perfect. Only God can judge me.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. To try to just dismiss
Speaker 2: actions that deviate from the standard defined preferred actions.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, really hold that thought.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to that cool, because that was
Speaker 1: a conversation I was having with my homeboy ju my
Speaker 1: homeboy wan I was telling him about this same conversation
Speaker 1: and he was telling me that sin.
Speaker 3: He didn't believe sin.
Speaker 1: You know, you could ask for forgiveness for sin if
Speaker 1: it's like, what's the difference between murder and homicide?
Speaker 3: If it's pre what's.
Speaker 4: The word I'm looking for, premeditated?
Speaker 3: Premeditated.
Speaker 1: He's like, if you premeditated sin, Like, you can't ask
Speaker 1: for forgiveness, and I'm like, nigga, all sins are premeditated. Like,
Speaker 1: you don't accidentally lie, you just lie and you know
Speaker 1: ahead of time you're gonna lie. Now, sure, did you
Speaker 1: sit at home and plan to tell that lie? Versus
Speaker 1: you know right before you told the lie, you knew
Speaker 1: it was a lie. It's all premeditated.
Speaker 2: I think there's accidents, but I think there's being so reckless,
Speaker 2: because there's like there's murder, there's manslaughter. You know, your
Speaker 2: murder one premeditated murder or murder two and you got
Speaker 2: manslaughter and then you just have it was an accident. Sure,
Speaker 2: now I think that manslaughter area is I understand it
Speaker 2: was an accident, but you were so reckless and undisciplined
Speaker 2: that you made that accident much more likely to happen,
Speaker 2: and you need some consequences.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're gonna come back to that because I
Speaker 1: really want to get into that. But back to the
Speaker 1: point of black churches. I think now everybody is going
Speaker 1: to the church that suits their personal needs versus understanding.
Speaker 1: The concept was to make the community to come together
Speaker 1: and poolish resources together and help each other in all
Speaker 1: times and needs. You know, that's the point of a church.
Speaker 1: It's for the community. It's the centerpiece of a community.
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember, you know, being on one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeenth Street, and mostly nobody went to the
Speaker 1: little church that was on one hundred and seventeenth Street,
Speaker 1: like it's actually a church on the seven, okay, and
Speaker 1: nobody went to that church. And I always thought that
Speaker 1: that was weird, Like it was people who worked on
Speaker 1: the seven that were like managers, like hiring managers at
Speaker 1: like Edison, and it was people on the seven that
Speaker 1: needed a job. Yet the two people did not come
Speaker 1: together in pool resources because the older man that lived
Speaker 1: in the community that worked at Edison that could have
Speaker 1: hired people, you know, he didn't know what everybody needs.
Speaker 1: So he looked at everybody kind of like they screw
Speaker 1: up or they was fucking up and they didn't want nothing.
Speaker 1: And the people that might have wanted the job looked
Speaker 1: at him like he was staying offish and didn't want
Speaker 1: to be involved, you know. And even the good things
Speaker 1: in the community. So a place like church, where you know,
Speaker 1: you come together and you worship together, and you could
Speaker 1: see people at their most barrassed moments, you know, spiritually
Speaker 1: you could see what's going on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I think that's the church is a great idea
Speaker 1: in a suception, but we misuse it so bad, and
Speaker 1: we it's so self servient for us, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, So we don't get the maximum ount of it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't raise our whole community the way it should.
Speaker 1: No sillings, gl my man Peter in the house for me,
Speaker 1: we rocking getting to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think also when you when you really like
Speaker 2: to make up a word potentially here like delocalized sure
Speaker 2: the church, you get to a point where in your
Speaker 2: day to day life you only see other people from
Speaker 2: the church or the pastor from the church once a
Speaker 2: week for an hour or two, in opposed to seeing
Speaker 2: those people all the time. One thing that like I
Speaker 2: hear a lot of mis understands, the misinterpretations of like Catholicism.
Speaker 2: But and one of them has to do with confession
Speaker 2: and confessing your sins to the priest. The reason that
Speaker 2: that is a thing is because and I actually I
Speaker 2: think it's a good thing is you know, if you're
Speaker 2: in older times, you would go to your local church
Speaker 2: and that and the priest would serve as like your
Speaker 2: spiritual leader. So you confess your sins to a person.
Speaker 2: It's not you're trying to absolve yourself, you know, through
Speaker 2: God by telling him this stuff. It's it's you. You
Speaker 2: have a person, another individual to whom you are privately
Speaker 2: accountable for your own shortcomings, even like the ones you
Speaker 2: don't want to tell nobody else.
Speaker 3: And even then, I think you just are inspired. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think people in this. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I'll ask my attorney, I'll ask a couple of homies,
Speaker 1: But I don't think you know, Jewish people in the church,
Speaker 1: you know, Oh you had that port the other day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's really what's going on. I think
Speaker 1: you're inspired, and you're guided not only by the centerpiece
Speaker 1: of the church. You know, not only by the centerpiece
Speaker 1: of the church, but you're also guided.
Speaker 3: By each member.
Speaker 1: You know, and a lot of the things that make
Speaker 1: us kind of fall short and seeing in general, you know,
Speaker 1: are hardships, are challenging days where you can't make simple
Speaker 1: things happen. And those resources also help with people, you know,
Speaker 1: those resources also help with people to keep them on
Speaker 1: the straight and narrow. Yeah, But the initial point was
Speaker 1: we was talking about. Before I talked to you, I
Speaker 1: was talking to Steel too, praying FMC is in the hospital.
Speaker 1: Something happened. I'm praying for them, hoping ain't nothing serious.
Speaker 1: But I was telling Steel being gay is not a sin.
Speaker 1: And still, you know, big Steal as they call him
Speaker 1: on the internet, Norman Norman Norm Norm still tends to
Speaker 1: you know, my big brother jumps to conclusions really fast.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'll explain to him, being gay is
Speaker 1: not a sin, Like the initial question, being gay is
Speaker 1: not a sin?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You cannot help who you are attracted to the act
Speaker 1: of homosexuality, laying with men as you lay with women.
Speaker 1: That's the sin, It's the actual act. And I was
Speaker 1: trying to explain that to him because a lot of
Speaker 1: times when we be talking about sin, and it was
Speaker 1: weird for this person to say that, like you know,
Speaker 1: on the internet, Like if you're going to dispute the
Speaker 1: Bible and you don't get that the Bible is inspired
Speaker 1: by God or you don't believe that, why even use
Speaker 1: the term sin?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Why use that term? Sin wouldn't exist.
Speaker 1: Without the Bible, Sin wouldn't exist without religion, Like why
Speaker 1: would you even use that term.
Speaker 3: But but back to her, back to her question, it's like, no,
Speaker 3: being gay is not a sin, you know, pursuing the
Speaker 3: actual emotions of being gay, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: specualize with men the way you lay with women as
Speaker 3: a man would be the sin. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think a good comp to that is like say
Speaker 2: alcoholics anonymous, You're you're an alcoholic. You want to drink,
Speaker 2: but if you don't drink while you're still an alcoholic,
Speaker 2: you're not in like violation of the standard. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean. You're you're going to be an alcoholic,
Speaker 2: that's what you are, but as long as you're not drinking, you're,
Speaker 2: you know, in good standard.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. And you understand that this can.
Speaker 3: Need to how do I say it? Unnatural issues?
Speaker 4: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: But I thought about the whole thing, like writing as
Speaker 1: a crip. I'm like, even if you sein, why not
Speaker 1: just wear it?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, deal with God when it's time, if God knows
Speaker 1: your heart, if you ask for forgiveness. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you and God to have the conversation that y'all.
Speaker 3: Need to have.
Speaker 1: But it was weird that we're slowly trying to watch
Speaker 1: people justify unnatural things for no reason when you could
Speaker 1: just live your life how you live your life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've not ever really understood that community's desire to
Speaker 5: There's a spectrum.
Speaker 2: There's like, look, don't beat a ship out of me,
Speaker 2: because this is a lifestyle.
Speaker 4: I get that it's.
Speaker 2: Reasonable, But asking everybody to like you or like what
Speaker 2: you're doing because of that, that's that's further over on
Speaker 2: the spectrum. And it post just saying yeah, look like, okay, great,
Speaker 2: you know you don't like that I'm gay. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Guess what I'm gonna be gay.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna do gay, be gay. Gay is
Speaker 2: what it is. I'm not gonna change my mind over
Speaker 2: because of your opinion. So you know, as long as
Speaker 2: you're not gonna do anything drastic to me, it's just
Speaker 2: what it is, so you can figure out how to
Speaker 2: deal with it on your own terms. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do what I want to do. I don't see why
Speaker 2: there's a problem in as long as the other actor
Speaker 2: does not like, throw a rock at the guy or.
Speaker 5: Whatever the hell.
Speaker 1: And it's weird that you have people trying to dispute
Speaker 1: it like it's not It's not just about that specific lifestyle, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take it to be in the crypt. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of deaths happen in cripping
Speaker 1: that are unnatural, you know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 1: could cause a lot of trauma, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't think the goal is to make it a
Speaker 1: sinless lifestyle, you know what I mean. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's what the goal is. I think the goal is
Speaker 1: is like, this is how I'm living my life, and I'll.
Speaker 3: Deal with God.
Speaker 1: But it's just weird to watch people consistently try to
Speaker 1: rewrite it. Like I saw someone say, oh, the original
Speaker 1: scripture said man should not lay with children the way
Speaker 1: they lay with women. For sure, they didn't say that
Speaker 1: in the fucking Bible.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: And and also, you know, people don't know.
Speaker 1: I think God, I think God never said that Pete.
Speaker 3: Right, because he thought motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Had common sense, Like there's a natural thing that happens,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, with the woman that tells you
Speaker 1: when it's time for her to start entering womanhood. We
Speaker 1: can argue about the age of it. You know, some
Speaker 1: women especially in today's time where the.
Speaker 3: Food is punt with hormones.
Speaker 1: You know, they're getting their periods at nine ten, you know,
Speaker 1: really unique young ages.
Speaker 3: So I get that conversation.
Speaker 1: But to constantly ignore the naturalness of most things because
Speaker 1: we think we're smarter than nature.
Speaker 3: Itself, it's crazy to me. Yeah, I watch parents.
Speaker 1: Like like I watched like one of the commandments I
Speaker 1: remember was thousay not thou shallt not disrespect thy mother
Speaker 1: and my father.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You ever notice see Now, I can't say this is
Speaker 1: certain for everybody, but I noticed growing up and being
Speaker 1: around parents with children and shit. One of the main
Speaker 1: things that make, you know, young adults or teenagers start
Speaker 1: getting an attitude is when they start fucking. Like when
Speaker 1: when your kids start fucking them motherfuckers need a job,
Speaker 1: This is my belief. At that point, pumping everything in
Speaker 1: the world and all of that shit, and you keep
Speaker 1: treating them like a baby.
Speaker 3: They gonna talk to you like they crazy when they start.
Speaker 1: Fucking, especially girls, they gonna talk to you fucking craziest
Speaker 1: hell when they start fucking because they think they know something.
Speaker 1: They barely start wiping their little coachy. They ask and
Speaker 1: they gonna tell somebody's parents some shit. But I think
Speaker 1: it's because even today, we're holding on to children a
Speaker 1: lot longer. We're keeping them children.
Speaker 3: A lot longer. They don't want to be children a
Speaker 3: lot longer.
Speaker 1: They're all really smart enough to take advantage of their parents,
Speaker 1: so they'll play like a kid until you catch them
Speaker 1: fucking Then they'll talk to you like they lost they
Speaker 1: fucking mind, and then when they kind of not, then
Speaker 1: they'll go back to being a kid when they need
Speaker 1: a ride somewhere. I think we're holding you know, young
Speaker 1: adults hostage too long as children, believing that it's going
Speaker 1: to strengthen them for the future. And it's like, nah,
Speaker 1: once your kids jump into adulthood, right and they embark
Speaker 1: on fucking, you know, and that type of sin of
Speaker 1: pre marital sex, your mother fucking asked me the fucking job.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: There's there's a lot of like conservative thought leaders that
Speaker 6: discuss the culture of prolonged adolescents quote unquote in the
Speaker 6: country right now, and I think that's certainly true.
Speaker 2: I think that also within that time frame, I mean
Speaker 2: from not only the the prolonged adolescents of like not
Speaker 2: being responsible for yourself into your twenties or however the
Speaker 2: hell long. But like even in general, this you know,
Speaker 2: bubble wrapping the whole world so that you know, people
Speaker 2: can protect their kids to you know, to the fault
Speaker 2: of them failing to learn any lessons. So that so
Speaker 2: then there is no preparedness. You you transition, you learn
Speaker 2: slowly and transition rapidly. If you don't learn slowly during
Speaker 2: that time frame and transition rapidly, you're gonna get demolished.
Speaker 2: And I think another aspect I've heard talked about on
Speaker 2: that point is that the average number of kids people
Speaker 2: have is so much smaller now. That's like you have
Speaker 2: one kid that they you know, I can't afford to
Speaker 2: have anything happened to my one kid. But if you
Speaker 2: had four kids, it's like, yeah, well a little Johnny
Speaker 2: ran across the street to chase a ball and whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of thing from previous generations.
Speaker 1: What's the most unreasonable sin that you could think of
Speaker 1: that you heard?
Speaker 4: Unreasonable sin?
Speaker 3: You like that that's a sin?
Speaker 1: Well, like I always think about sins, and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: they all pretty much make sense to me.
Speaker 4: At one and I guess it's not a New Testament sin.
Speaker 4: But it's an old Testament sin something about shellfish some nonsense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1: They're like pigs, they eat a lot of trash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like shellfish for that reason, anatomically have like
Speaker 2: more of the type of matter that it takes, that
Speaker 2: like your body takes, than the organs that you'll cleanse
Speaker 2: your body. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I.
Speaker 2: Mean I guess yeah, in the basic logic, sure, but
Speaker 2: that seems a little bit a little bit interesting.
Speaker 3: I just think now, for I'm not a Christian, I'm
Speaker 3: very much a follower of Christ.
Speaker 1: I think Christ is an awesome, you know character in the story.
Speaker 3: The way he lived his life. I thought that was
Speaker 3: what it was about. I truly.
Speaker 1: Aspire to live in a sense with that type of
Speaker 1: courage and that type of thought thoughtfulness when it comes
Speaker 1: to other human beings, Like that's important to me. That's
Speaker 1: like one of the greatest people I've ever read about
Speaker 1: in the story, right, And I'm not talking about anything
Speaker 1: outside of the story itself, minus the magic tricks, minus
Speaker 1: you know, all of the water, the wine. That's not
Speaker 1: even really the thing to me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's the way no different than Martin Luther King, the
Speaker 1: way he fought for causes, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and stood for people and tried to help people, you know,
Speaker 1: get going and do the best they can.
Speaker 3: That's my kind of guy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I aspire, but I think as and we've talked
Speaker 1: about this with a real fight. Oh and I think
Speaker 1: joker before about the way human beings start to feel
Speaker 1: like they need, the way human beings need to interpret things,
Speaker 1: and how some of the brightest minds in the past,
Speaker 1: you know, like let's say, if we're talking counselor and
Speaker 1: I see it and all the different really bright priests
Speaker 1: and different people, how they understood Jesus needed to be
Speaker 1: delivered to human beings so they can follow him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I do think there were efforts
Speaker 1: made to.
Speaker 3: You know, to.
Speaker 1: Prop him up in a way to where people can really,
Speaker 1: you know, just really be inspired and just follow blind,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And I'm not mad at.
Speaker 1: It, because that's the kind of person in theory you
Speaker 1: should follow, Briannie, you know what I mean, based off
Speaker 1: of the story. It's just my issue with my intellect
Speaker 1: is when those people come together right and they understand
Speaker 1: that most human beings don't have enough time to think,
Speaker 1: you know, so they like, okay, how can we send
Speaker 1: people on a proper course without them having to think?
Speaker 1: So I respect that, But then you have a thinker
Speaker 1: like me, Right, who's somebody that I didn't want? I
Speaker 1: hate that, I think so much. I don't hate it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose it, but it definitely makes life,
Speaker 1: you know, hard at times. So I do think genuinely
Speaker 1: that there are some things that are positioned to help
Speaker 1: the everyday non thinker. But then somebody like me, I
Speaker 1: always start to question. It seems like seeing is just
Speaker 1: things that are unnatural. You don't see children in nature
Speaker 1: eating their parents, yeah, I mean you don't see those
Speaker 1: spiders eating their moms and dads. I mean you don't see.
Speaker 1: You might see it the other way, but you don't
Speaker 1: see it that way. So a lot of the the
Speaker 1: efforts was seeing and and things that are saying are
Speaker 1: just things that go against simple nature. They got some
Speaker 1: crazy ones, especially in the Old Testament, especially when it
Speaker 1: comes down to slavery. But I do think there was
Speaker 1: a time in the world where you know, slavery was
Speaker 1: just every day, like, you know, like nothing. It was
Speaker 1: like having a warehouse, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I think there were rules for that time that made sense.
Speaker 1: Do I think God like might have frowned down and said, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: slavery is wrong. I'm sure he looked at human beings like, damn,
Speaker 1: that's what y'all want to do, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, okay, And then when America obviously got to hold
Speaker 1: the slaves, you know, they, you know, the degenerates from
Speaker 1: England came and just ruined it. You know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of country poor motherfuckers, you know, inherited.
Speaker 3: A lot of valuable.
Speaker 1: Cargo which were human beings and just were trash with it.
Speaker 1: I mean, didn't treat it correctly. Miss miss did too much,
Speaker 1: and that became, you know, the beginning of the end
Speaker 1: for slavery. But I think when we talk sins, a
Speaker 1: lot of the concepts are just things that go against nature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of points in there, I think. Also,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that, Yeah, there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: that don't have time to think. I also think that
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people who are more weak than
Speaker 2: they are strong. So if given the opportunity to think,
Speaker 2: they canure of some bogus way to rationalize a contextual
Speaker 2: or some sort of soft you know, letter of the
Speaker 2: law versus spirit of the law, type of justification for
Speaker 2: doing what they want to do, not what they're quote
Speaker 2: unquote supposed to do.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do they really or accept that they're sinning, Like,
Speaker 1: give me an example of something like that.
Speaker 2: That would be That is probably the root behind most
Speaker 2: people's different interpretations of the Bible in general. And people
Speaker 2: talk about the Bible. You go one hundred churches, they're
Speaker 2: talking about it one hundred ways for one hundred years.
Speaker 2: And then people try to go about, well it's not
Speaker 2: technically a sin if dot dot dot, or well, really
Speaker 2: I did this, so it's not really dot dot dot.
Speaker 4: That's a very common Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think I think that's their way of getting
Speaker 1: from under the judgment of other human beings.
Speaker 3: I think personally they don't believe this shit, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think I think they're trying to get from under
Speaker 1: the thumb and judgment of other human beings, so they
Speaker 1: say things to try to move it over. Humans are
Speaker 1: so concerned with what other humans think, which is rightful.
Speaker 1: So we are, you know, very much an interlink and chain.
Speaker 1: But people are way too feared to like they're too fearful.
Speaker 1: People are scared to be judged. Like one thing I'm
Speaker 1: not and it became the most integral thing for me
Speaker 1: as an artist and even as a creator in general,
Speaker 1: is not worried about being judged, you know, being willing
Speaker 1: to to to to push myself into judgment, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, being okay, Like I always tell Joe
Speaker 1: and Douce this from La Giants said. I said, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you have to give your self space to be misunderstood,
Speaker 1: Like you have to find a space where you okay
Speaker 1: with being misunderstood.
Speaker 3: Like I might get to this day.
Speaker 1: I probably still get five to ten comments every day
Speaker 1: on different platforms, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, in the streets about
Speaker 1: Tupaca must die. So sometimes I answer them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, maybe three out of four I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, well, what do you mean? Let me let's
Speaker 1: go into it. The rest of them. I just don't
Speaker 1: mind being misunderstood. You know, somebody could say, oh gods,
Speaker 1: it's disrespective pop and I'll be like whatever, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna you know, if that's what you think of it, fine,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I'm okay with you thinking
Speaker 1: that it's not the end of the world. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to you know, the people that I would need
Speaker 1: to talk to in that situation I already talked to,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The people I need to
Speaker 1: talk to in that situation outside the mopreme, I already
Speaker 1: talked to. So I'm okay with being judged, I mean,
Speaker 1: And that's what true power lies in that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. True power lies in the willingness to
Speaker 1: be judged and be okay if people disagree with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I think I think there's also I
Speaker 4: think people like to I don't obviously do not like
Speaker 4: being judged negatively by other people.
Speaker 2: I think also people there's a there's a large share
Speaker 2: of human beings that can't deal with the burden of
Speaker 2: their own internalized guilt and shame. So if they can
Speaker 2: externalize it into some other standard outside of them, like
Speaker 2: an oracle of shame, and then try to manipulate the
Speaker 2: relationship of the oracle of shame to their action in
Speaker 2: a way that can shield them from that, they'll take
Speaker 2: that opportunity.
Speaker 1: The irony is, that's my greatest issues with Like, I
Speaker 1: have a natural issue with people who are snitches, right,
Speaker 1: and snitches being let's context it again. Let's put it
Speaker 1: in context people who are criminals, people committed to criminal
Speaker 1: lifestyle and being a criminal. You know that world, no
Speaker 1: matter which level of life, a criminal that is willing
Speaker 1: to you know, that incriminates someone else to avoid punishment
Speaker 1: for themselves.
Speaker 3: That's what a snitch is.
Speaker 1: So those are my greatest issues with somebody like Troy
Speaker 1: av and Takashi right where it's like they're just out
Speaker 1: in the public manipulating the.
Speaker 3: Story I would have.
Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be hard for me to
Speaker 1: have respect for a snitch because you're a coward. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be accountable for your own shit. But
Speaker 1: I would have more respect if you were willing to
Speaker 1: be accountable, if you came out and you're like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I told because I didn't want to go to jail
Speaker 1: for twenty years.
Speaker 3: I reassessed the situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did some bullshit, but it was an opportunity
Speaker 1: for me not to go to prison for twenty years,
Speaker 1: and I took it. You know, I did whatever I
Speaker 1: had to do to make sure I didn't lose twenty
Speaker 1: years of my life to prison. Like I would have
Speaker 1: more respect for you as a man after I'd be like, damn, well,
Speaker 1: you know he went out like a sucker, but he
Speaker 1: knew what it was. What bothers me is when they
Speaker 1: try to manipulate the general public, that's a sin in itself.
Speaker 1: They're trying to manipulate the general public and reposition it
Speaker 1: like I've heard people say, oh, well, Troy Avenue, it's
Speaker 1: in self defense, and I'm like, no, it's not. If
Speaker 1: it was in self defense, he wouldn't he wouldn't even
Speaker 1: be charged with a crime, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: and you know, people and people like Troy ad people
Speaker 1: like Takashi are very much people from the street. They
Speaker 1: understand everything. These are really cunning guys. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say smart, they're cunning, you know what I mean. They
Speaker 1: don't really have the spine that they should have as men,
Speaker 1: but they're really cunning. So they are manipulating the masses
Speaker 1: because the masses will you know, you know, they gonna tell.
Speaker 1: The general public is gonna tell because they don't want
Speaker 1: to go to jail for one day, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So they for sure ain't doing no crime, and they
Speaker 1: will tell, you know, to make sure that their life
Speaker 1: ain't in danger. So they know you people like them.
Speaker 1: They know who they are talking to. They know they're
Speaker 1: talking to people, so they know how to appeal to
Speaker 1: maybe these people's nature, like, oh, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: my friend got murdered and you know, and he's my enemy.
Speaker 1: I don't owe him loyalty. It's like, what does loyalty
Speaker 1: have to do with this? You told because you didn't
Speaker 1: want to go to prison. You didn't tell as a
Speaker 1: good will samaritan.
Speaker 3: That was the case.
Speaker 1: You're aware of a lot of crimes.
Speaker 3: That's all on every crime you know about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I even think that like to some degree,
Speaker 2: you know, depending on how you want to define that
Speaker 2: world as a dog eat dog world, like even like
Speaker 2: Whitey Bulger, he was snitching as he was just snitching
Speaker 2: as a weapon, you know, he was telling you, is right,
Speaker 2: He was telling on Italian's other Irish mob. He was
Speaker 2: telling on anybody that he could have profited from their removal.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, So I mean is day one. No,
Speaker 2: it's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're right, it is different because that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this dude's a dirty player. But again, it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where you know, it's one of those things
Speaker 1: where you understand why these concepts need to be in
Speaker 1: place because you watch people all the time. They don't
Speaker 1: have scruples. They are so busy trying to push their
Speaker 1: personal agenda on the world. And you write like something
Speaker 1: you said earlier, and it keeps, you know, floating in
Speaker 1: my fucking mind.
Speaker 3: Dog. It's like they can't deal with the self shame.
Speaker 1: So they have to try to go out Like I
Speaker 1: thought it was for everybody else, it's for themselves.
Speaker 3: They have to create a space.
Speaker 1: For themselves to go out and steal, you know, feel
Speaker 1: like something about them is honorable or real. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't know how to, but it's crazy. People don't have
Speaker 1: shame no more. I keep saying that people don't have
Speaker 1: shame no more. It's personal, so you know, it's deep.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it a lot. A lot of
Speaker 1: stuff been on my mind, man, and my leg is
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: At a really good space.
Speaker 1: I'm probably about sixty percent so off the around pod
Speaker 1: and overdrive, you know what I'm saying. Because it's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff I need to work out of my mind,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I need to work it out yeah.
Speaker 2: And one thing that's always bothered me is you see,
Speaker 2: like a person who's committing crime a right, and they're
Speaker 2: kind of proud of the fact that they're a renegade
Speaker 2: or whatever the hell, and then after the fact it's
Speaker 2: not they get caught, and then they pivot the conversation, Oh, well,
Speaker 2: that's just weird. That shouldn't be illegal anyway. It was
Speaker 2: illegal when you were doing it. It carried ten years.
Speaker 2: You knew it carried ten years, and you did it
Speaker 2: and you got ten years. Don't back out now, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't think personally, I don't think. Yeah, everybody thinks
Speaker 2: that whatever the fuck you could think it was, you
Speaker 2: did it, you got caught. Be a fucking man. There's
Speaker 2: a reason why there was so much money in it
Speaker 2: for you at that time, because most people didn't want
Speaker 2: to endure that. You said, fuck it, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy. I'd be willing to bet.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you listening to this podcast, maybe someone
Speaker 1: else could look it up.
Speaker 3: I'd be willing to bet. Most violent crimes happened under
Speaker 3: the influence. I don't think. I don't think humans really
Speaker 3: have the nuts.
Speaker 2: No, most most violent crimes.
Speaker 3: I don't think humans really have the nuts no to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: I genuinely think think that they have to be under
Speaker 1: the influence certain homies who was riders, you know, and
Speaker 1: did they stuff close that door?
Speaker 3: Certain people who did that, who did they stuff? You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They were always smoking, sharned, they was always drinking. It's
Speaker 1: like they didn't want to be bothered with the mental repercussions.
Speaker 1: Back to the same point you made, that thing is
Speaker 1: sticking in my head that it might be true.
Speaker 2: I think it's very true. And I've watched people have
Speaker 2: those moments in real time and it's like, I know
Speaker 2: what you're doing, what's happening here. But you're absolutely right
Speaker 2: as far as the influence. I mean, what percentage of
Speaker 2: domestic violence happens because somebody's been drinking probably seventy eighty ninety.
Speaker 2: You could have a thousand people in a condensed area
Speaker 2: in downtown doing business in the daytime. You an't going
Speaker 2: to see ten fights breakout. But you take a thousand
Speaker 2: people in the square mile of a bar district at night,
Speaker 2: if you fights break out every single time.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's true.
Speaker 1: And I talk to people who drink, they really don't
Speaker 1: be remembering what happened, like it might even be something
Speaker 1: good and they don't remember it happened.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've done that a hundred times.
Speaker 1: I'm ki, Why would you go out to happen all
Speaker 1: the night to not remember what happened.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's not deliberate, you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's it's that slippery You start sliding down that wet
Speaker 2: grass on the hill and you're like, oh, it's cool,
Speaker 2: I'm sliding now. Then your assha, and you're all the
Speaker 2: way down to the bottom of hell.
Speaker 3: What the hell happened?
Speaker 2: You know, you're trying, You're trying to stay in a
Speaker 2: in a little window, and most of the time you do.
Speaker 2: Most of the time you do, but when you start
Speaker 2: to lose it and fall.
Speaker 3: Out, you don't realize it.
Speaker 2: So you're all the way out, and then when you're
Speaker 2: all the way out, you're out. M dude, this is
Speaker 2: a real funny story. So my friend's fortieth birthday, there
Speaker 2: was three fortieth birthdays being celebrated congruently in Scottsdale over
Speaker 2: the weekend. I get there Thursday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday's birthday
Speaker 2: shots and I'm really trying to deliberately stay very, very
Speaker 2: level of sustainable. Because it was a long weekend, made
Speaker 2: it all the way through Saturday night. I didn't even
Speaker 2: get drunk to the point and they could give me shots.
Speaker 2: It just felt like I was taking a poison ivy trip.
Speaker 2: The more I had, the more I had to drink,
Speaker 2: the worse I feel drink achy. I didn't even feel drunk.
Speaker 2: I felt achy. Then I go see my buddy on Sunday.
Speaker 2: After all this, everybody's dispersed from my friends in Arizona.
Speaker 2: We're sitting out barbecuing whatever. Had a couple little He's like,
Speaker 2: you know, he drinks shots. I usually don't drink shots.
Speaker 2: We had a couple shots, nothing major. I think maybe
Speaker 2: three or four. Dude, I swear to god, all of
Speaker 2: three four previous days just collapsed right on my head
Speaker 2: right I'm throwing up, I'm funning sleep. It was az
Speaker 2: You'd think I had thirty shots. It was like, but
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, all of it just crushed me from
Speaker 2: the previous three days. At three point thirty pm that afternoon,
Speaker 2: I just got smashed those awfuls embarrassed as all health.
Speaker 1: It was like I would know how y'all sit around
Speaker 1: and poison y'allself human beings. Crazy, It's truth, It's true.
Speaker 1: Oh it's crazy. They'd be like, how you don't drink.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I ain't never drink. Like, how you don't drink?
Speaker 1: I'm like like, why would I consciously poison myself?
Speaker 3: And I don't need poison, like you're gonna die?
Speaker 4: But like poison, Yeah, I hear you, typically.
Speaker 3: What if I need that to have fun?
Speaker 1: Let me figure out how to just have fun, Like
Speaker 1: I don't need a shortcut to having no fucking fun.
Speaker 3: Telling you, most people drink because that.
Speaker 1: It's that same thing that the counselor that I see
Speaker 1: and Constantine understood about human beings when they were kind
Speaker 1: of framing doing all the framework for Christianity, and you know,
Speaker 1: before they presented it, they.
Speaker 3: Understood this natural nature of human beings.
Speaker 1: To just follow. I can't I have people while you drink.
Speaker 1: I'm like, do it taste good? No, it don't taste good?
Speaker 3: Say why the fuck would you poison yourself?
Speaker 1: Like to get to a point of oh I feel better,
Speaker 1: I'm like, why not just feel better?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, if you have problems, why not go fucking deal
Speaker 1: with the problem.
Speaker 2: Well, people will always People are like water. They will
Speaker 2: find the path of least resistance every time.
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