WEBVTT - Mustard Seed of Hope 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Woke f Daily with 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:19.120 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.320 On today's episode, I get into a in depth conversation 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.080 with my friend, doctor Christina Greer, who is the Associate 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:34.279 professor of political science at Fordham University. And you know, 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:39.160 I always love my conversations with Christina over the years. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.080 If you've been listening to Woke for quite some time, 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.960 or if you've listened to my other podcast, Democracy Issue, 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:49.760 you've definitely heard doctor Greer. And I adore my conversations 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:55.639 with her so much because she is working to inspire, teach, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:01:00.240 and uplift the next generation of political scientists and next 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:05.360 generation of you know, young people who are God willing, 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.880 going to be global citizens, going to be active participants 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.000 in our democracy. And I laugh, I laugh because you 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:17.120 will hear in the conversation with Christina about whether or 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.440 not she thinks that we are going to have a democracy, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:25.119 whether or not it matters what happens during midterm elections, 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:30.520 if in fact, the backsliding has been so detrimental that 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.840 she doesn't see a path forward. I asked a series 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.600 of questions, because you know, you guys know me. While 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.880 I joke a lot of the times and say that 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:44.240 I am always holding on to that mustard seed of hope, 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.160 there is no bun. I truly believe that is more 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.480 hopeful than me, because otherwise, why the thought would I 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.480 wake up every day and turn on a microphone and 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.600 turn on my computer, and turn on my phone, and 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.480 try and wake as many people up as possible, whether 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.880 it's one or one hundred. You know, I believe that 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.320 my responsibility on this planet is to weigh people up 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.000 to their power and to make them conscious of the 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:12.240 ways in which our society, systemic powers that be work 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.520 to take advantage of people. Right that work to take 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.120 advantage of whether it is people's ignorance, whether it is 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.000 people's lack of time, because they work multiple jobs to 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.400 be able to just afford the bare minimum right, which 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.080 is shelter, clothing, and food. There are systems at play 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:35.040 that are not put in place to uplift the most marginalized. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.000 As a matter of fact, it is to make sure 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.640 that they stay that way. Then, to make sure that 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.560 people are in such a desperate situation that they'll take 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.119 whatever shit job is put in front of them. And then, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.359 of course we create laws that allow for those people 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.440 that run those businesses to not provide healthcare, to not 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.400 provide safe working conditions, and people have to show up. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.600 Why because they're desperate, right, and we've squeezed them of 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.880 their power, of their will, and all they can do 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.880 is keep their head above water. And so I feel, 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.640 in the position of privilege that I have to be 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:14.200 able to digest and analyze all that is going on 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.959 and deliver it to people in a digestible way, so 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.640 that people are reminded that they do have power, that 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.240 they do have a voice, and that when we link 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.640 up with like minded people. And I don't mean like 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.839 minded as in they love the same way, they look 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.200 the same way, they pray the same way, or so 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.440 on and so forth. I mean like minded in the 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.160 idea of equity, right, in the idea of understanding what 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.720 justice means right, and that it shouldn't be a designation 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.640 of your level of melanin that we have a shared 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:49.440 understanding that everyone, everyone in this country, everyone frankly on 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.880 this planet, should be able to live free from violence, 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.960 to live free from fear of oppression and subjugation and 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.720 sexual violence. And you know, and race and all of 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.160 these things. And so when I say like minded, that's 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.600 what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people who believe 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.040 that they are citizens on this planet right, that we are, 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.520 you know, all human. And you know, I know that 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.800 for some people in saying that, you know, it can 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.760 sound you know, polyannaish, but it isn't right. Like, the 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.080 whole purpose of the language that republicans and fascist regimes 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:28.400 and authoritarians and dictators use is about dehumanization, because when 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.960 you detach people from their humanity, then you can mistreat 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:37.040 them any which way that you want, because they're not 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.960 like you. They're animals, right, they belong in cages, they 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:46.040 warrant death. Right. When you dehumanize people and you devalue them, 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.440 then you can treat them any type of way. So 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.960 I believe that my work here on this planet is 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.479 to wake as many people up to their power, to 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.400 their purpose, and to their path as possible. And I 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.880 think that if there is one of you that is 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.800 out there that is listening that says, oh now, I 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.359 get it right. In an alarm bell, a light lightning 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:10.480 bulb hits, a light bulb flashes, then it is your 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.640 responsibility to then wake up the next person, and so 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.760 on and so forth until we are all conscious, right, 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.960 because we can't fight this war asleep, and that is 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.560 what they are hoping, is that we will remain in 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.719 a slumber, that we will think that things will just 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.000 be okay, and that we don't need to take any 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:31.880 action therefore right. But we do. And so in this 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.800 conversation with my good good friend doctor Christina Greer, we 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.279 dig into the ways in which we need to keep hope, 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.920 that we need to educate, and that we need, more 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:48.320 importantly than ever in this midterm election to vote. 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Folks, you know, I am always so 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.720 excited when I get to Welcome back to woke EPP Daily. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:37.120 My friend and colleague in the Twitter sphere and world 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.599 of politics, doctor Christina Greer, who you know as an 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.720 associate professor at Fordham University. She is also the author 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.800 of Black Ethnics, co host of FAQ NYC, and host 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.400 of the Blackest Questions um at the Grio Black Pods. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:07:00.200 Doctor Greer, good, good, good, the good doctor day. No 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:05.919 sus right now and this fuckery diagnose America right now 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.520 in where we are because if if if I'm a doctor, 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:15.240 I'm saying, we gotta pull the plug because the surgery 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:21.880 don't look like it's worked. Um so what is yours? 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.560 So we should have had my sister on this episode 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.080 because she's the real doctor, right right. She always teases me. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.640 She's like, you know what happens if there's an emergency, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:34.160 You're gonna read somebody a book. Oh damn. She's my 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.440 best friend, but she's she's a harsh one. Um So 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.440 here's what I would say if I'm diagnosing America. We 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.160 have We've got a disease to the bones, right and 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.280 the question is do we amputate? Do we not do anything? 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.040 What is the medicine and the good thing is, you know, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.480 sometimes miracles do happen. I'm not saying that we have one, 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:01.480 but you know, I'm always cautiously optimistic, and I'm pragmatic 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.920 in my optimism. I do think that there are some 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.680 people who are waking up, those like sleeper cells that 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.840 are the good guy. Do I think that white men 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.520 and white women who are completely supporting herschel Walker and 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.680 his nonsense, and Ron Johnson Wisconsin and his nonsense, and 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.400 doctor Oz and his nonsense. Do I really think that 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:28.200 those people who are oathkeepers in January sixth, sympathizers and apologist, 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.760 are they gonna make up? No, We're moving on without them. 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.480 But there are some people who, you know, kept telling 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.280 themselves like, oh, it's about the tax breaks and the 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.320 rhetorics not that bad, and they're slowly seeing just as 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.160 every sort of civil rights icon and leader has always 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.920 told us Malcolm X Audrey, Lord, Frederick Douglas a journal 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.800 truth like one day it will be you come on 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.880 that they come for. And so I think some white 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.960 women are waking up and realizing that, you know, this 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.240 Dab's decision is going to affect them and their families, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.679 not just that they have daughters, if they have sons. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.600 Come on, let's not ten that only Democrats are having sex, 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:07.160 because Republicans do love some unprotected and rerebarrittal sex as well. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.120 So stop putting it all on the Democrats. Stop putting 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.680 all in women of color. So I do think that 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.040 Republicans have a great chance of overplaying their hands in 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.040 the sense that you've got Republicans constantly voting against hurricane 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.800 relief and refusing to work with the federal government. Are 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.320 you going to turn down Joe Biden's assistance in this 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.800 moment of need. Some of them are crazy enough and 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.880 ideological enough to be like, yeah, we will. So you know, 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:33.520 you and I have both been on TV with John 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.640 to the Metico, and he has dying of whiteness. He 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.480 comes on the show every week. This is our good 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.440 in house doctor. Yeah, this is where we are. It's 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:47.440 like we're literally seeing white people. They would rather die yep, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:53.200 literally yep, then offer assistance to someone, to lend a 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.440 hand to someone, to lend a hand to themselves, which 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:02.280 is wild. So when I'm optimistic, though, I think that 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:03.960 there are a lot of people who are like, listen, 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:08.240 this direction is just too much. We can't have swastikas 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:13.040 and Confederate flags as as okay symbols. We can't take 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.040 away a woman's right to choose because it's not about 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.640 pro life, because these are the same people who believe 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.200 in the death penalty. Come on, these are the same 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:22.040 people who will starve children just because their parents are 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:27.360 my rents or undocumented or homeless. Right, so we can't. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.040 We Democrats have to be better at the rhetoric too. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.640 You know, I refuse to say the phrase pro life. 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.520 There's no such thing as pro life. Not with these people. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.840 It's choice and anti choice. Are you literally saying that 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.319 a grown ass woman cannot have autonomy over her body? 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.120 That is what you're saying, that's what you're voting for. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.280 Say that a woman of sound mind cannot have autonomy 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.640 over her own body, even if she's raped or insect 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.400 to say nothing of Maybe I have a full time 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.200 job and I just don't want to have a baby 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.440 right now for whatever reason. It's my business, it's my choice. 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:03.440 So I'm hoping that the Democrats can organize themselves and 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.480 organize a message and stop leaning into Republican talking points 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:13.480 as a weak defense, and really articulate a vision to say, 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.520 like pay attention, people, stop, Like if it sounds crazy, 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.120 it's because it's crazy. Right. Your gas is down, your 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.679 job prospects are better than they have been. You know, 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.079 you look at the governors that didn't take COVID seriously, 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.400 those people are dead or have long COVID and will 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.560 be on the doles for a really really long time. Like, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.440 let's have some real conversations about what the two parties 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.880 are doing. Neither are perfect, we get it, but like 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.199 they are definitely this is not a boom boo through 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.760 you know, booth sides or a mess that is absolutely 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.480 not true. That's a lazy argument, and I think Democrats 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.680 need to walk voters through why that absolutely isn't true 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.640 and why they're literally trying to keep this country alive 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.720 and keep the people in it alive as well. So, 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.599 you know, me as being the person who does not 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.000 who doesn't mince words and comes in hot, and I 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.319 think I need to come in hot all the time 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:11.520 because I feel like most motherfuckers are asleep. And you know, 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.760 I say that because I still am uncertain whether a 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.679 majority of white women who voted for Donald Trump in 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.880 twenty sixteen and twenty twenty have woken up to the 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:27.360 reality that they're no longer free right, and they have 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:32.520 always predicated their decision making on that of their proximity 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.360 to their white fathers and their white husbands. And so 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:41.680 I am not convinced right that enough white women are 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:46.120 shook in a way that still requires the Democratic Party 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.160 to try and pander two folks that have never voted Democrat, 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.960 I mean not in the last at least fifty years. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:57.120 So my question to you is, you know, as I 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:01.720 continue to yell from the rooftop, that I do believe, Christina, 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.400 that this is our last midterm elections. I believe that 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.480 if we the people, if we the people do not 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.720 pull off this midterm elections for Democrats, I believe that 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.960 this is it. I don't care what happens in twenty 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:22.000 twenty four because Congress, maybe not the Senate, but the 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:29.320 erosion right and the coup will continue and now have 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.959 even more legs because there'll be more Republican members who 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.960 are election deniers in the House of Representatives than not. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:44.600 And so I am wondering do people get it, like 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.679 and you know, like do they understand because look, I'm 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.160 looking I like to consider myself a global citizen, and 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.760 I'm looking around the world and I see an new aligning, 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.880 a new world order coming in to play. That should 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:06.280 be foreshadowing, that should be alarm, you know, raising And 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.080 yet the media doesn't talk about it in that way. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.600 And so do you think that the people are getting it? 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.319 And particularly the students that you engage with every single 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:21.760 day at Fortnum? You know, what, where are their minds 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.680 at as young people right now? Where what are they 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:30.200 thinking about this? This this make or break moment for 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.160 our democracy? Yeah, so you've given me a lot. Let 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.440 me just I'll start from your last question and work 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.280 my way back. So I have, you know, an incomplete sample, 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.480 because I have students who are interested in politics, so 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.880 I don't know what some of the non politics students 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.400 are interested in. The reason though, why I do teach 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.920 Intro to Politics every semester, even though I'm a show 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.800 associate chair and like a senior faculty member, where it's 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.840 very rare that someone of my stature, if you would say, 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.760 would teach an intro that's kind of beneath a lot 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.440 of older professors, if you will, I think it's the 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.840 most important class. It's the introductory class. So instead of 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:12.080 having adjuncts or you know, folks that don't have the 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.360 same foundation, instead of having them teach it, I want 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:15.960 to teach it because it's like that's how I steal 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.040 all the smart kids from other majors too, and get 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.560 them interested in politics and take it really seriously. The 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.600 students I have now are really frustrated. You know, I'm 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.400 throwing a lot at them because it's do you forget? 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.760 I have to explain to them what this country was 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.840 from the beginning times, how we used to do things, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:40.120 then the Trump era, and now where we are at 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.479 the fallout and kind of the precipice. So my historical 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.320 foundation is like multifold now, so I've got to cut 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:51.280 through a lot of information gave. It's sort of like 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.360 before times. Then it's kind of like nineteen fifty two 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.280 to the present, but now it's like nineteen fifty two 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.760 to twenty sixteen, sixteen to twenty twenty, and then it's 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.120 like twenty twenty to the to the president, and then 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.480 it's like, okay, so where do you all see yourselves? 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.320 You know? I really try and have them imagine, you know, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.240 some of these questions, and I'm like, you will be 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.360 called on to answer these questions, either because you're an 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.000 elected or you work for an elected I'm also always 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.600 having them think about different jobs. So not everybody wants 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.440 to be an elected official. I don't you know, people 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.760 ask us this all the time, right because we're on TV. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.360 I don't want to be elected inficial. But you know, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.200 I was like, if you're artsy, you know you can 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.840 design posters and fonts like all that stuff. You know, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.920 if you want to go to law, like election law 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.560 is real preventing people from going to prison with campaign 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.320 finance violations, like, there are a lot of different things. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.680 Now to your question, where are my students? They are 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.400 very frustrated that it seems as though on a weekly basis, 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.720 we can find billions of dollars for other countries and 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.640 we can't seem to find it for the student debt. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.800 That is a question because they're they're first or second years, 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.840 but they're already looking down the barrel of thousands of dollars, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.360 as are their parents, and mind, you know, this is 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.480 gen Z. So they're like, we know we ain't got stuff. 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.560 Our parents barely have anything, like the good old days 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.920 are done. And they know if they want to go 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.080 to graduate school, it's gonna be even more dead. So 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.119 they know the death that they're already in and the 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.400 death that they're going to accumulate. They are thirtain there 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.720 and it's not like they're cold hearted snakes, like they're 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.199 just like, we stand with the people of Ukraine, right, 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.919 we stand with Afghanistan, we stand with you know, Pakistan, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.960 whatever the crisis may be in the news. But when 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.879 we talk about Ukraine, what's really fascinating is they always 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.879 preface it's like, we stand with Ukraine. I'm not saying 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:35.280 that I don't. But it was thirty billion this week, 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.159 billion last week we got another twenty five billion. So 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.440 it's just like, where's this money coming from? And how 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:47.840 can we can find it so quickly? And where's my money? 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.639 And then knowing, you know, we talk about paying taxes 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.760 and the importance of paying taxes and how they probably 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.120 won't have some security and all these things. So there's 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.520 there's that piece where we're sort of seeing ourselves as 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.679 global citizens, but also what does it mean to be 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.280 a domestic citizen because some of them are like, well, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.159 I have relatives in Florida and it doesn't look like 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.159 they're going to get relieve anytime soon. Or I have 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:12.040 relatives in Puerto Rico. They're still reeling from Hurricane Maria. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.400 Oh and by the way, Biden just gave them sixty 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:21.359 million dollars M to Puerto Rico, not be gave three 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:28.359 billion last week to Ukraine, right, sixty million M to 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.359 Puerto Rico, because I mean, like realistically, like come on, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.240 and if you've seen the damage in her in in 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.840 Puerto Rico and we know that they're still reeling from Maria, 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.880 sixty million dollars is like me, Danielle, sorry, your house 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.560 is flooded. I got twenty one twenty US dollars. That's 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.200 the equivalent of it. Yeah, like carl I gave you 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.960 twenty dollars, like is flooded? Like and don't you still 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.239 have those paper towels from Trump? Exactly? So you know, 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.840 and which also lends to really interesting conversations about like 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.080 Puerto Rican statehood in dcidood and what that would mean 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.639 to have a whole bunch of black and Latino people 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.480 probably in the Democratic Party, and why it is that 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.159 we're not going to have a hundred four senators and 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.160 then we'd have to redistribute the four thirty five across 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.040 these two new states. I mean, so having them see 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.840 politics in real time and how it really works is 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.080 really important for me, because this isn't a theory that 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.640 we can read on the page all the time. Oh well, 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.560 why is the Puerto Rico a state? It's like, well, 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.040 right now we know they're in crisis. So the US 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.320 would actually be responsible, right and would really need to 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.160 take her report Rico as opposed to this sixty million 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:39.159 dollars insult. So backing into it to other parts of 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.359 your question, No, I don't think white women are going 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.800 to have a great moment of agnorisis like, oh my gosh, 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.119 like I've been upholding patriarchy and I'm also a victim. Like, No, 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:48.760 I don't think that that will happen, But I do 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.959 have faith that there's going to be a small percentage 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.560 that have a little bit of movement in wiggle room. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:59.000 And I do think that quietly some Republican women not 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.280 enough to you know, change the tide, but I do 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:06.160 think some of them might quietly vote or abstain from 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.040 certain races and certain individuals, just because I do think 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.320 that in certain places these people are really overplaying their hands, 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.600 you know, the primate. Think about it this way. We've 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.119 got those six states that have those election deniers that 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.880 are at the top of the ticket, But who votes 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.119 in a primary except for like your die hards, and 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:26.560 so there are a lot of kind of middle of 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.320 the road quasi middle of the road. I mean, listen, 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.159 if you're still a Republican, you're in for opinion for 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:31.920 a pound, Like you were saying, the misogyny and the 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.800 racism and the anti immigrant sentiments and anti Muslim, anti Jewish, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.920 anti black, anti anti anti you're basically saying, that's okay. 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.080 But for whatever at tax break reason you say, I'm 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.160 a Republican. Still sure, whatever helps you sleep at night. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:45.960 But I do think that some of those people who 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:50.120 didn't necessarily participate in a primary are going to come 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.679 into a general and be like this person seems a 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.800 little crazy. Now. I don't know if that's going to 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.199 work in all six states, but I do think that 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.359 there's enough wiggle room, and I think that there are 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.600 going to be some Democrats, hopefully who are galvanized, to 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.240 be like, yo, this could be our last free and 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.160 fair election if I don't step up. But that also 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.280 goes to the larger Democratic Party, where it's like, you 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:16.160 have to give people a reason to come out and vote. 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.639 The cost of voting time money, you know, some people 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.320 have to drive, they have to pay for gas, they 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.919 got to get a sitter, whatever. So my question is this, 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:28.200 Jamie Harrison, where are you and what are you doing? Sir? 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.840 Wake up? Because I would think that I would see 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.199 you on the news every day walking me through this 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.080 fifty stage strategy. I would think that I would see 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.719 you articulating this vision about what are we all supposed 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:45.160 to be doing. I live in New York. We're pretty 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:46.440 We're pretty good to go, I mean, and I'm not 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.240 going to take it for granted. Kathy Hokel is facing 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.239 a Trump fist. Lee Zelden, who you know, is an 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:54.720 election denier, like he is crazy. New York has our 0:21:54.760 --> 0:22:00.119 own wing of It's called Upstate and Long Island and 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.560 Loki half of Brooklyn, Moses Staten Island, a significant portion 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:07.240 of Queens, a quiet section of Manhattan, and a sprinkling 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.480 in the Bronx. Like, let's all be clear, there are 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.639 a lot of people who were into this Trump. January sixth, 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.320 quasi fascist fascist Lee Zeldon train. So I'm not going 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.640 to take that for granted. But we're not Pennsylvania. We're 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:26.399 not Wisconsin right now, we're not Florida, we're not Arizona. 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.159 Jamie Harrison, why aren't you telling me what my marching 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:33.679 orders are? Okay, don't know. Besides, okay, fine, give some 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.199 money if I know who the races are. But like, 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.240 what are our marching orders? Should I be making phone calls? 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:43.359 Like what should we be doing? Who are the surrogates, 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:48.000 what's the message, what's the mobilization, what's the motivation? Because 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:50.480 some people don't understand. When you and I say this 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:52.920 could be our last real election, these people get ahold 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:54.560 of it. They already said they're going to impeach Biden 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.760 for what. I don't know. I'm impeach them just because 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:02.159 you impeach my president twice when Trump and his egregious nonsense. 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.720