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Speaker 1: leading researcher lecturer in the field of the history of

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Speaker 1: America before Columbus, former director of the New England Antiquities

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Speaker 1: Research Association, and he has appeared frequently as a special

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Speaker 1: guest on documentaries all over the History Channel, Travel Channel,

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Speaker 1: PBS Discovery. He is the author of a number of books,

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Speaker 1: primarily historical fictional novels, and David is a graduate of

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Speaker 1: Toughs University and Georgetown Law School. Welcome to Coast to

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Speaker 1: Coast David, Good to have you on the show. Great

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Speaker 1: to be here. Thank you, And that's a great law school. Great,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. So your books fascinating are not

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Speaker 1: non fiction, but they're pretty historical. They could be considered that.

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Speaker 1: How did you put them into the fictional end? So

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Speaker 1: I heard once a great advice from somebody who said,

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Speaker 1: write what you like to read. And I love to

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Speaker 1: read historical fiction. You know. I like nothing more than

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Speaker 1: to be educated while being entertained at the same time.

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Speaker 1: And so that's the kind of book I try to

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Speaker 1: write well, and you've done a good job. We we

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Speaker 1: have talked about Atlantis Geez for as long as I

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Speaker 1: can remember, and we've had a lot of different theories

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Speaker 1: come up about where it is, what it is. The

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Speaker 1: common denominator is everybody that comes on the program, they're

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Speaker 1: all convinced it was real at one time before some

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Speaker 1: kind of calamity or some horrible thing happened. How about you.

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Speaker 1: So I came at this from the perspective of an attorney,

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Speaker 1: like the truth, okay, but but as as a historical

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Speaker 1: fiction writer, um, it's almost like the readers are my jury,

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Speaker 1: a compelling enough case to make them want to come

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Speaker 1: thinking there would be enough hard evidence to really hang

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Speaker 1: actually write an entire novel about that. Had that not

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Speaker 1: there's not a lot of evidence in anyone discipline. There's

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Speaker 1: that probablement pretty compelling case together that yes, there was

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Speaker 1: I was I was surprised to find enough quote unquote

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Speaker 1: So I did find again enough evidence to present to

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Speaker 1: Kind of explained for everybody, David what Plato said. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where Plato tells us. Now, we don't know exactly what

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Speaker 1: We're unable to do that, probably, but you would have.

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Speaker 1: We should see some evidence of something happening around that time,

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Speaker 1: where civilization quote unquote began, the Sumerian uh civilization in

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Speaker 1: in in Mesopotamia, in the Fertile Crescent. They say, quote

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Speaker 1: before the stars were born, before people built great cities.

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Speaker 1: The great mountain at len A t l e n.

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Speaker 1: It's the same route shook and bled fiery blood, the

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Speaker 1: land all around burned, many animals and people died. That

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Speaker 1: seems to be talking about a similar kind of cataclysmic event.

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Speaker 1: As as Plato described, Sanskrit writings from ancient Egypt described

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Speaker 1: a large island called Attala. Again that a T L

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Speaker 1: route off the western shore of Africa, with many cities,

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Speaker 1: and then advanced civilization. It burned and sank to the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the Atlantic. Egyptian and Phoenician historians talk about

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Speaker 1: the ancient god kings who ruled before the pharaohs in Egypt.

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Speaker 1: They came from an advanced land to the west, who

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Speaker 1: are called Elitians. This is the A L T not

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Speaker 1: a T L route, but the same kind of route.

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Speaker 1: So we have other historical sources from around the world

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Speaker 1: that seems to remember a distant advanced civilization that ended

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Speaker 1: as some kind of cataclismic event and people did survive

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Speaker 1: and flee in this particular case from the Egyptian sources,

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Speaker 1: perhaps became the ancient god kings of Egypt. Okay, now

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Speaker 1: let's look at scenarios possibilities. Earthquakes, volcanoes, asteroid probably the cause, yes, um,

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Speaker 1: what else calamity wise could have happened to sink something

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Speaker 1: of that kind of mass. So I think asteroid or meteorite,

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Speaker 1: and that again that that corresponds with what the record

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Speaker 1: is and it must have hit the land mass. I

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Speaker 1: would think maybe, but maybe not. If it hits For example,

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Speaker 1: there's one of the theoristers if you read Graham Hancock's

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Speaker 1: Magicians of the God, he believes it hits the North Canada,

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Speaker 1: basically the up in north of Oregon, in Washington, Vancouver,

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Speaker 1: that area. Such a such a massive impact would cause

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Speaker 1: all sorts of things happen, one of which would be

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Speaker 1: you just have the tremors from the earth the impact,

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Speaker 1: and that would cause earthquakes of volcanoes. You would have

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Speaker 1: the impact causing massive floods, but also the energy release

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Speaker 1: would cause warming and the ice caps to melt, and

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Speaker 1: that would also cause the floods and they get in

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Speaker 1: that corresponds with the end of the ice age. So

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Speaker 1: an impact didn't have to be directly on Atlantis. It

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Speaker 1: could have been any place really in the western Hemisphere

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Speaker 1: that would have caused cascade effect across the Atlantic Um.

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Speaker 1: If we think about Atlantis being in the mid Atlantic

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Speaker 1: ridge um the northern tip of the mid Atlantic ridges Iceland,

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Speaker 1: and anyone who knows anything about Iceland has been there

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Speaker 1: knows it's it's very um active, volcanic and fault lines

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Speaker 1: and whatnot. So that area of the mid Atlantic Ridge

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Speaker 1: is unstable already, and so an impact, even not direct impact,

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Speaker 1: would have would have destabilized that area even further. Listen

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