1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: In outnumber three Monday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 2: We've talked about a lot so far, the continued fallout 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: in Minneapolis, the way that it has been responded at, 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: the Golden Globes in the NBA, and its report coming 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: tomorrow on a transports case, but we haven't talked about 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: very much yet Iran and I want to jump in 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: here now and talk about why I think, and I 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: bet Buck will sign off on it, if this could 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: potentially be the biggest story going on in the world 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: right now, depending on exactly how it is going to 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: go from here. There have been roughly two weeks of 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: anti fascist, anti fascist, anti theocratic government leadership against the 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: Ayatola who has been in power in Iran since nineteen 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: seventy nine. And Buck, I want to start with this 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: idea that I want everybody to just think about because 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: I think it ties in with what you and I 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: have correctly to do us as the identity politics governing 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: much of the choices being made on the left in America. 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: Have you seen a single major campus protest in support 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 2: of the Iranian protesters anywhere in America so far? And 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: I say that because the Iranian government has killed it 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: appears thousands of innocent protesters who have taken to the 24 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: streets of Iran. They're furious because the overall inflation rate 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: has gone out of control in the wake of the 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: twelve Day war against Israel, which demonstrated just how feudal 27 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: Iranian military power truly was. Many people are saying, we 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: are fed up. This protest started among people who are 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: selling goods in markets, and they basically said the inflation 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: rate has skyrocketed to such extent that they're having to 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: change prices so often that the Iranian currency has become 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: effectively valueless. And all of these merchants, all of these 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: retailers said were over it. They shut down, they refused 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: to sell their goods. That's where this protest started. It 35 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: has since spread everywhere. But I want all of you 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: to take note. Who saw campus protests from UCLA to 37 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: Columbia and just about all points in between. There hasn't 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: been at least that I've seen any campus protests that 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: have taken over at all in favor of the Iranian people. 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 2: And that is I think, and I bet you would 41 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: sign off on this buck because the Jews are seen 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: as white and they were the bad guys when it 43 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: came to Palestine and everything that was going on in Gaza, 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: and when it's actual brave Iranians standing up against the 45 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: Iranian government. There isn't an identity politics coalition for stupid 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: leftists in America to be able to jump on the 47 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: bandwagon of and so a lot of people are just 48 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: pretending this isn't happening now. Granted, it's all so difficult 49 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: because we don't have a ton of footage because they 50 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: have shut down the Internet, they've shut down phones, they've 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: shut down the Iranian theocratic leadership under the Ayatola has 52 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: so people aren't able to get information out as easily. 53 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: But it is really markedly different when we compare the 54 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: way that these two situations have been treated. 55 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: The challenge for so many on the left in this 56 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: country and the democrats all of them, is in some 57 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: of these international incidents, there are clear echoes of domestic 58 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: policy and narratives that proliferate among democrats here in this country, 59 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: and it causes problems for them. Example is Venezuela. What 60 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: happened to Venezuela? Right, I'm gonna get to Iran in 61 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: a second course, but what happened to Venezuela is socialism 62 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: and social justice, essentially class warfare. The country, unfortunately, through 63 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: democratic processes, embraced a platform of central plant in class 64 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: warfare and social justice that took the largest proven oil 65 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: reserves in the world and made them essentially a pittance 66 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: when it came to dealing with because they can't actually 67 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: pump the oil lot on all these other problems, but 68 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: they can ruin anything. Communism can destroy anything, right. Well, 69 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 3: the other side of this is that in Iran you 70 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 3: have a country that was never colonized, so there's really 71 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: no anti colonial rhetoric that makes any sense. It's never 72 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: been a colony of the United States. And you have Persians, 73 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 3: not Arabs. But that's a distinction that a lot of 74 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: people won't even get into. But they've been running their 75 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: own show there for quite some time and they've ruined it. 76 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: And in Islamic theocracy unfortunately is going to run into 77 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 3: these problems, and Iran has done things to its own people. 78 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: You know, we're always in this world of whatever America does, 79 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: and however America messes things up, it's always our fault. 80 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 4: It's always our fault. 81 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: What you see in Iran, and with the uprising Clay 82 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: is the people of Iran, yes, are saying that this revolutionary, 83 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: very Islamic by its own designation government is a disastrous 84 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: tyrannical failure top to bottom on all counts. Now, given 85 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: that reality, why is it that there has been so 86 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: much of a focus in the UN, for example, on 87 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: resolutions against Israel. Why has there been such a focus 88 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 3: on the misadventures of America in the Middle East without 89 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 3: taking into account the fact that Iran has been a 90 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 3: state sponsor of terror all over the world and especially 91 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: in the Middle East for longer than you and I 92 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: have been alive, while ruining the country for its people, 93 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 3: while being a disaster. Basically, it's an Islamic state, different 94 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: kind of Islamic state, but it's an Islamic state failure 95 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: and it can't be avoided anymore. Reminds everybody the Obama 96 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: administration gambit on the Middle East was anything Clay, anything 97 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: to get a nuclear deal with Iran and then things 98 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: will get peaceful. Because the alternative to that is World 99 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: War three. The World War three people are wrong. The 100 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: World War three people are actually consigning the Iranian people 101 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: to perpetual misery. Unless there is an uprising like this. 102 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: Not only are they wrong, they are exactly It's one 103 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: thing to be wrong, like you can think what's going 104 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: to happen in an event, end ends up being different. 105 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: There's different levels of wrongness. They're so wrong that they're 106 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: actually working against the basic interests of the Iranian people 107 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: and of global freedom around the world. And now here 108 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: is the next question that is going to come out. 109 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: Iran has shown that it will kill thousands of protesters 110 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: when they take to the streets, that they are willing 111 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: to indiscriminately rein down Holy Hell and their citizens who 112 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: are fighting for basic freedoms. And also pointing out what 113 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: I think is really significant, which is it's not as 114 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: you go back and watch, and I would encourage people 115 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: to just do Google searches on this, go back and 116 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: look at what Iran in the nineteen seventies under the 117 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: Shaw was like, women walking around in dresses and skirts, 118 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: not having to wear these jobs, high levels of education 119 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: for the citizenry. 120 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 5: There. 121 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: The theocracy of Iran has not only been a complete 122 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: and total failure when it comes to the basic freedoms 123 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: of the people of Iran, it's destroyed the entirety of 124 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: their economy. And again it's somewhat similar, I would say 125 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: to Venezuela, because this is a country that is incredibly 126 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: benefited and it is very fortunate to have huge natural 127 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: resources of oil. 128 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 4: And so they have the ability. 129 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: To have a successful society. I've had one before, back 130 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies, much like Venezuela. It is evidence 131 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: of how far left wing politics destroys everything that it touches. 132 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: And so, what should we do buck when it comes 133 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: to trying to support the protesters, which President Trump has 134 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: said he is willing to do. 135 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 4: Should we have more strikes in Iran? 136 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: Should we What is the actual tangible, if any result, 137 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: that you think the United States should be involved in 138 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: in Iran going forward? Right now? Because let me also 139 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: lay it out for people out there. There is an 140 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: argument and it may or may not be true. I 141 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: don't know that if the United States gets involved in 142 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: any way, it could strengthen the Iranian government because it 143 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: allows them to say, oh, this is just external factors 144 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: trying to diminish the success of the Iranian government. This 145 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: isn't a organic growth opposition from inside the country. 146 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 4: This is the United States. 147 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: This is Israel going forward already, I think these protests 148 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: have come about because of the strikes. What should we 149 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: do now? That is what the president and his advisors 150 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: are weighing. Well, that's a very that's a legitimate it's 151 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: a very tough question. Yeah, I would like to say, Well, 152 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: I'll say this first. It is okay to say that 153 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: something like this, and it's not just because I'm saying it. 154 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: I say this about a whole range of things. It's complicated. 155 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: It's hard because you can make a decision with the 156 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: best of knowledge and intentions that, based on the extreme 157 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: variability of these circumstances, could blow up in your face. 158 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: So you can have some guiding principles, but even the 159 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: best guiding principles about whether it's non interventionism or an 160 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 3: aversion to to coup involvement or coup plotting or all 161 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: these different things. Okay, Well, we also know that we 162 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: blew up the nuclear program and nothing happened, right, So yeah, 163 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: So there's it's not as it's easy as just this 164 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 3: is what the smart people think and therefore it's right 165 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: or wrong. I think in the case of Iran, it 166 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: would be obviously fantastic for the for the Islamic Revolution 167 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: to fail and collapse at the hands of the Iranian people. 168 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: And you know, you hear this because you have a 169 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: really robust Iranian American community of people who a lot 170 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: of them people who fled. I mean you go around 171 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: the La area, for example, legitimately fled because they might 172 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: have been killed if they had stayed in the country. 173 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: This is real asylum seekers, so they're they're refugees. I mean, 174 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: there are people that had to take refuge just like 175 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: the Cubans here in South Miami who left because they 176 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: didn't want to be part of Castro's authoritarian dictatorship. I mean, 177 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 3: you'll notice there's this belief in left wing circles that 178 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: all got well America is bad and all other governments 179 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: are better than or at least as good as America. 180 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: And that's that's a crazy belief not rooted in any 181 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 3: actual reality. There is Rani. The Iranian regime is an 182 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: evil regime. They do evil constantly. They have ways of 183 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: rationalizing it, but they do evil externally and internally, and they're. 184 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: Bad at what they do. You know, you can talk 185 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: a lot. 186 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: I mean people will say, what about Saudi Arabia, or like, 187 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: what about China. 188 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: Those countries do things that I also think are immoral 189 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 2: and bad and wrong, but those countries aren't run by 190 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: complete and utter morons. I'm just saying in terms of 191 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: the results. It's not about iq but it's in terms 192 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: of the results. Iran is a disaster. Yes, it is 193 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: a disaster on the scale of Venezuela. Is a disaster 194 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: as a country. So at least in the case of 195 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: something like Saudi, which is, by the way, in the 196 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: process of liberalizing, not a lot, but it is under 197 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: Muhammed Bin Solomon. It is, you know, allowing women some 198 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 2: greater freedoms, and there are some things happening there. It's 199 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: a little bit of a more nuanced picture, but it's 200 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: still an authoritarian theocracy. 201 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 3: But they're building a lot of stuff play. It is safe, 202 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: it is clean, and it is a very robust economy 203 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: because of its energy exports. Iran is a disaster, yes, 204 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: so it offers even the people of Iran nothing. And 205 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: this is where the left in this country, which loves 206 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: to blame America. Iran is not America's fault. Iran is 207 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: the Shia Iranian Islamic theocracy's fault. 208 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: Here's another angle on that buck, A lot of the 209 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: countries I believe in the Middle East actually prefer the 210 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: Ayatola in control because they know he's an incompetent leader 211 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: and that Iran offers no actual danger or threat to 212 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: them because of their incompetence. In other words, you don't 213 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: know who's going to replace the Ayatola. We always like 214 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: to think, oh, it's going to get better. Sometimes the 215 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: leader that replaces the bad leader is worse. Now this 216 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: is much less significant, but Chicago did it right. Everybody's like, no, 217 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: there's no way they could do worse than Mary Lightfoot, 218 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: and then they went and got Brandon Johnson. Right, Sometimes 219 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: replacing a failed leader does not lead to a better place. 220 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 2: So you also have to to your point on the uncertainty, 221 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what the situation is in terms of 222 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: who would rise up to be the next leader. Now 223 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: we've reached out to the Shah of Iran, who is 224 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: we have actually reached out to Resa Pavlaby. I'm probably 225 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: mispronouncing his lame as I always do for these names, 226 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: but he is saying, based on what I have seen, hey, 227 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: I'm willing to be sort of a bridge to a 228 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: more democratic Iran because people have a fond recollection now 229 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: of the Shaw's leadership, because there were basic human rights 230 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: that did exist when that happened in the seventies. 231 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 4: But to your. 232 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: Point about things and what will happen afterwards, it is 233 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: hard in this case to imagine a regime that if 234 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: this doesn't mean that like someone else takes over as 235 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: the Mullah, right, this isn't It's not like, oh, we 236 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: have another Komani. If it's somebody from the established regime 237 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: right now, that's not actually a new regime. 238 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 6: Right. 239 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: So if you have those someone who's truly outside the 240 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 3: system right now governing, or even a temporary disintegration of 241 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: governance at some level, which I think is what really 242 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: is concerned a Libya, like a post Kadafi Libya or 243 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: a pre and post Assad Syria. I mean, these are 244 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: these are the things that people weigh on their minds 245 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: when they're looking at all of this. But Clay, it 246 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: is hard to imagine a regime that would be worse 247 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: than what Iran has been suffering under since nineteen seventy nine. 248 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: It's it's hard to fathom how that could be possible. 249 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: I agree, And so that comes back to what should 250 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: we do? And hey, I bet we have a bunch 251 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: of Iranian listeners. If you are listening to us right 252 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: now and you are have family in Iran, or you 253 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: feel like you are fairly well plugged in with the 254 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: situation in Iran, we would love to hear from you. 255 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: Because Buck, you and I were talking about this off 256 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: air before we started the show. 257 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 4: I said, Hey, do you have anybody who's. 258 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: Really good on Iran and that we could come on 259 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: and bring on as a guest, and you said no, 260 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: And I don't know anybody. The challenge is information is 261 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: so difficult to get out of Iran. It's you made 262 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: the analogy. It's somewhat similar Nor it's like North Korea, Like, 263 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: who's a really great expert on North Korea? Well, it's 264 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: basically a closed uh you know, fear. 265 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: You're not like a lot of people in media that 266 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: know much more than other because we're all just reading 267 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: and observing and learning. There's not a lot of firsthand 268 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: experience that many people bring to there. And even those 269 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: we'll say, oh, like CNN, I'm sure Anderson Cooper's like 270 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: I've been a Tehran ten times. Yeah, with handlers going 271 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: to the places you were allowed to go seeing what 272 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: you were allowed to see, and not able to say 273 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: what you wanted to say, so you know, it doesn't 274 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: really Uh, there's there's not a lot of great voices 275 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: on this one in the media right now to point 276 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: to who have deep expertise. 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Look, 305 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: we got some calls coming in from Iranian American listeners 306 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 3: in this audience. 307 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 4: Stay with us, guys. 308 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 3: We just have a quick break here with the commercial 309 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: and we will get to you on the other side 310 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: of this. But look, if if Trump is able to 311 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: pull off Venezuela and then have any hand at all 312 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: in helping oust the Mullahs, and it almost certainly heads 313 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 3: to a better place than what it has been for 314 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 3: fifty years or forty forty five years, that's incredible. 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People who were born in Iran or 341 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: have fled Iran in the wake of the nineteen seventy 342 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: nine revolution that put the Ayatolas into power are weighing 343 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: in and we've got several callers who want to give 344 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: us their perspectives on the situation that is currently playing 345 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: out in Iran. A first Shaw in Clarksville, Indiana. You 346 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: said you've been in the US since nineteen seventy five, 347 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: but lived in Iran before that. What are you hearing 348 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 2: from friends and family back in Iran. What is the 349 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: best thing that the United States could do? From your perspective, 350 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: I was. 351 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 8: Born in Iran. First of all, It's an honor to 352 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 8: talk to you, gentlemen. I was born in Iran, immigrated 353 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 8: to the United States, becoming a legal citizen, and have 354 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 8: been rooting for a regime change in Iran ever since. 355 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 8: Irania's made a blunder by bringing this Komani to power 356 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 8: years forty six years go now, but now they want 357 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 8: to correct that course. And we're looking at the brilliant 358 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 8: world moment if this regime falls, and they need the help. 359 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 8: If this regime falls, not only is Iran would become 360 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 8: a calm, cool country, not investing in terrorism and all that, 361 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 8: but I think it's going to be a seismic change 362 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 8: in how the world views a Islam and leftism because 363 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 8: what brought these too in power was the communists, leftists 364 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 8: organized by you know throughout the Soviet years in East 365 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 8: Germany and all that, as well as the Molas who 366 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 8: had the influence within the society. But Iranians have grown 367 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 8: out of it. Those people are in power because of 368 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 8: sheer force and brutality, and Iranians are peaceful people. We've 369 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 8: been There's nineteen million Iranians back home and we want 370 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 8: to change. We cannot. It's a faith right now. And 371 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 8: if the United States and Israel can help us bring 372 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 8: your body change. And I'm not talking about boots on 373 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 8: the ground, but strategic strike against this structure of the 374 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 8: regime in Iran, I'm telling you Iran would be the 375 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 8: shining city on the hill in the Middle East. 376 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: So so if that means just to be clear, if 377 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: for example, and I think it's very important, and why 378 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 3: is that you establish that boots on the ground, You're 379 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 3: not asking for that, you don't want that, and we 380 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 3: you know, I think America, the lesson we learned is 381 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: in Iraq and Afghanistan, you can't have tenth Mountain and eighty. 382 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 4: Second Airborn and the Marines, the Army, all these. 383 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: Guys walking around villages trying to build them for the 384 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 3: people that live there, like, that's not what we're doing, right, 385 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: And everyone agrees, I think that, or everyone should agree 386 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: that in Iran, that's not what the Iranian people want, 387 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: that's not what we want. But hitting the besiege headquarters, 388 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: IRGC facilities, things like that in response to I mean, 389 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: they've killed hundreds, probably thousands now of protesters just opening 390 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 3: fire on them. So going after some choke points, if 391 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 3: you will, or some precise strike points against the regime 392 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: you want that. If Trump did that, you and many Iranians, 393 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 3: I assume that you're friends with running Americans, your friends 394 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: with would be clapping for that. 395 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 4: Is that right? 396 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 8: We would put Trump's statue in the main streets of 397 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 8: Iran will praise him. He would do the second Cyrus, 398 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 8: the great moment for Iran, for the world history, for 399 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 8: the Jewish people, for the whole civilized world. And there 400 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 8: is a plan in place. You have ten million Iranians 401 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 8: that fled. Ninety percent of them were willing to invest 402 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 8: in Iran. They're technocrats and they're supporting Resha pan Lavi. 403 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 8: We want to give back to Rasa pan Lavi, to 404 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 8: the opportunity for Youran to become a progressive nation, a 405 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 8: pro Western nation. And he has had conferences, He's got 406 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 8: connection within the Iranian community and elsewhere. Is the international 407 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 8: figure that Uron can easily become a civilized country. 408 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 9: I'm telling you, thank. 409 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 4: You so much for the call. 410 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: They got several people who went away in That was 411 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: an Indiana caller who was born in Iran, and you 412 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: could hear the passion in his voice. Monsieur Monsieur in 413 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: New York City came to the US in nineteen seventy nine, 414 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: right about as the revolution happened, Monsieur, what was Iran 415 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 2: like before the revolution? So when you were in Iran 416 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: prior to nineteen seventy nine, what was the country like then? 417 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 2: What should in your mind it be like going forward 418 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: and what can the United States do to help get 419 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: Iran to where it should be? 420 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 6: First of all, guys, thank you for having me on 421 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 6: a longtime wrestler of Rush and Rush. We'll be happy 422 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 6: to have the smiling and the when you got, as 423 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 6: I've done in the past few years on this show. 424 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 6: I came here in nineteen seventy nine, right around January, 425 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 6: actually exactly on January eleventh, nineteen eighty. The left Iran 426 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 6: in December of nineteen seventy nine after all the schools 427 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 6: closed down the first and foremost. All day long, I've 428 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 6: been listening to TV and radio and a lot of 429 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 6: people maybe misinformed, saying that the show was a bureau dictator. 430 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 6: He killed a lot of people. Let me correct that. 431 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 6: If you go back to nineteen seventy six, there's an 432 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 6: interview of Mike Wallace on sixty minute The Show of 433 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 6: Iran where he basically came out and explained the situation 434 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 6: in Iran, where Iran was, where it is right now, 435 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 6: and where it's going. In One of the points that 436 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 6: he made in regards to what's going on with America, 437 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 6: he said, in America, the media which you guys know 438 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 6: very well. The media, Hollywood TV is controlled by the 439 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 6: Jewish Alliance. This was in nineteen seventy six, one year 440 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 6: to date all the problems in Iran started. Now, the 441 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 6: Jewish Alliance that he was talking about, it's the same 442 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 6: Jewish alliance that put Mondani in office in New York City, 443 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 6: the same Islamic communists that took over Iran. The second 444 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 6: point I want to make is when the trouble started 445 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 6: in Iran, it was not a revolution. This is not 446 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 6: a legal government because. 447 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 5: The Matchless, which is the Congress of in Iran, never 448 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 5: elected this group to come in. So this was a 449 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 5: propaganda to get rid of the Shaw was a very 450 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 5: popular figure in Iran and very powerful. 451 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 6: Figured out in the past seven years before he left. 452 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 5: In Iran, and as a result, they needed to get 453 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 5: rid of him because with this regime that came in, 454 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 5: or this occupying region that came. 455 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 6: In, Iran gave away a lot of its resources to 456 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 6: the world, to the United States, to Europe, which there's 457 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 6: none left for us. Plus all the money that the 458 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 6: Little Loves made went to terrorism. And there are people 459 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 6: living in the streets right now in you love. 460 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 2: So would you like to have the Shaw back. What 461 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: would in your ideal situation, Iran look like next year 462 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: if everything could be uh? You going back in time 463 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: in the Shaw is a bridge to a new, more 464 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: democratic Iran. 465 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 4: What should happen? 466 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 6: I think millions of people are giving us an answer. 467 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 6: They're saying javis shah, which means long leaves the king. 468 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 6: If if Muhammad ras the father was so bad, none 469 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 6: of these people, old and new to politics would never 470 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 6: ask for Razasha to come back. They wants to come back, yes, 471 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 6: and as Rassha has mentioned, he wants to be a 472 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 6: bridge for the people to vote and what they want. 473 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 6: Do they want a king? Do they want democracy like 474 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 6: it is in the United States presidency? He is putting 475 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 6: that choice on the hands of the people. You can't 476 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 6: ask for anything more. As an Alonian who's been here 477 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 6: for forty seven years, okay, I can't ask for anything 478 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 6: better than this. Thank you all the choice to the 479 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 6: people of your own. 480 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for the call. Getting a variety of perspectives, 481 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 2: John in Long Island say, you're a first generation American, 482 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: but your dad came to the USA from Iran. What 483 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: do you hear from your friends and family? What should 484 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 2: America do what should happen to Iran based on the 485 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: conversations that you have with people from that country who 486 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 2: are now here. 487 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 10: Well, what I'm hearing is that one of the biggest 488 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 10: problems is the military over there is really financially taken 489 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 10: care of by the Molos and the Ipols over there, 490 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 10: which is what's protecting the government there. So obviously they 491 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 10: don't have a Second Amendment in Iran, so these protests 492 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 10: go on, but they don't have any other way to 493 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 10: defend themselves. So I mean, from my perspective, I mean, 494 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 10: I mean, I'd look at a place like Egypt from 495 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 10: the Muslim Brotherhood came in there and that people were 496 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 10: running over there were basically the eye tools and suits 497 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 10: in the military had to come into Austin because the 498 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 10: people weren't having it. I wanted to know from Bucke 499 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 10: if he thinks there's any way that the military could 500 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 10: possibly turn on the government there, because I just don't 501 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 10: see how like the Crown Prince could come back and 502 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 10: just have a smooth transition into having you know, elections 503 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 10: or a referendum or something on a new government. Shouldn't 504 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 10: there be some sort of way for the military to 505 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 10: turn on them, because my understanding is the Iya tool's 506 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 10: son seems like he wants to take over if he 507 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 10: flees to Moscow. 508 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 4: Well, it's a very look. 509 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: You ask a great question, and of course you're talking 510 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: about Irani and regimes. You want to talk to the 511 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 3: CIA guy about who's which is fine, which is fine? 512 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: As one does, uh, I would say one of the 513 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: big you know, the biggest child. Historically, I've actually read 514 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: some academic treatises, I guess on the like books that 515 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: have been like multi lips or multi lips is what 516 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 3: they call them, right, don't really get published, but kind 517 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: of get published. You can find them on jaystore and 518 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: those kinds of places. The biggest threat to authoritarian regimes 519 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: is a highly placed insider. Historically, it's actually not external 520 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: intervention and it's not even an uprising of the people. 521 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: The biggest threat, by the numbers is you know, the 522 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: guy who's the dictator or El Capitan or El Kamandante 523 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: or whatever. The palace come his Yeah, his brother who 524 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: runs the security services, like you're done, you know, and 525 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: maybe he gets sent to exile or maybe he sleeps 526 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: with the fishes. But that's usually the biggest one. So 527 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: the question in an Iranian context is Okay, you want 528 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 3: the removal of this regime. But the regime is an apparatus. 529 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: It's not an individual. It's not just the IRGC, it's 530 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 3: not just the besiege, who are like the street thugs. 531 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 3: And Syria they were called the Shabbiha and in Iran 532 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: they're they're the besiege who are like the Hitler youth 533 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: is probably you know, that's not really it, but it's 534 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 3: kind of like that. It's like the young thogs that 535 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 3: beat people up for not obeying the Islamic Revolution, YadA, YadA. 536 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 3: So the besieg are bad dudes. They're like a militia, 537 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: and you got to get rid of the people that 538 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 3: run all. 539 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 4: Of those things, is my point too. 540 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 3: Right, It's not just like there's one guy who goes 541 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: and then everything you get rid of the ayatola, you can't. 542 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: The government structure is still there. It's like the next 543 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: guy keeps up and it's a very similar system. Probably, 544 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: and this is one of these This is about Venezuela. 545 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: Right, yes, this is the problem becomes, well, now do 546 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: you want someone who's already highly placed, who's willing to 547 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 3: dramatically change course? For the regime is in a position 548 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 3: where they're powerful enough to do so, get compliance from 549 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 3: the existing apparatus to change course, not be killed or 550 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: whatever them sell. This is where it gets very tricky 551 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 3: because a lot of people. 552 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 4: Have been not only. 553 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: Bought into this because of their benefit from their access 554 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: to the regime, but also their hands are dirtied by it, yeah, 555 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: meaning that they were involved in the repression. They were, 556 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: and those people get very Now. Look, it is possible 557 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: the people will point to like a what happened in 558 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 3: Nazi Germany for example, Yeah, we had trials and hanged 559 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: people after the end of the war, and we slaughtered 560 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: a whole lot of SS And I mean, you know, 561 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: that's like decimation more than decimation. But that's that's the 562 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 3: annihilation of the regime. That wasn't just like oh, Hitler's dead. 563 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: Everything's fine. Hitler all of his buddies, they were all dead. 564 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: Or we killed them that was what or they is 565 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: in for the rest of their life, right, But you know, 566 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: but they all got dealt with them. Nobody was like, 567 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: you know, this Hitler guy, let's give him a shot. 568 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: His chancellor of Germany. Right, So you have a similar 569 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: situation with the Iyatolas and the Iranian regime. What's the 570 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: what's the Is there a off ramp that would work 571 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: with the existing structure? And this is just sort of 572 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 2: general kup one oh one stuff. Not that I know 573 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: about that Ceia stuff. We don't know, but kup one 574 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: on one stuff. Is there an off ramp Venezuela, we're 575 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: taking that right now. We're doing that off ramp thing 576 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: of Okay, we're gonna use what's in place, because we 577 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: don't want Iraq getting rid of the bath party, which 578 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: was like everybody from the generals to the traffic cops, oh, sorry, 579 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: you can't have a hand in this. 580 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 3: Well that was a terrible Yeah. So in Iran clay 581 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 3: it's it's gonna be. 582 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 4: It's tricky. 583 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: But the more it is indigenous and authentic from within 584 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: the Iranian people, the better. 585 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 4: That is for sure. 586 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: That is the and the problem we ran into an 587 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: Afghanistan is we're like, hey, we used to work with 588 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: this guy back in the day against the Soviets. Let's 589 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: just like put him on a motorcycle and like drop 590 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: him over the border in the country and you know, hey, 591 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: how maid Carzai, what's going on? 592 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 4: Buddy? I mean that doesn't work well. 593 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: Not only that, I mean that wasn't one of the 594 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: big hopes of Iraq, was it a mad shalabi like 595 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: this guy sold the Jelabi, Yeah, sold everyone on, Hey, 596 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: I can run the country. There's actually a huge demand 597 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: for Saddam to be replaced. And the reality was obviously 598 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: the ethnic divisions, the different Muslim backgrounds and then the Kurds. 599 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: It turned into a huge disaster. I still kind of 600 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: think that the way to have solved Iraq from the 601 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: get go was actually to divide the country up into 602 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: three different unique ethnic groups, give the Kurds their freedom, 603 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 2: and divide Iraq in some way. I know there's lots 604 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: of challenges, but that is why a lot of people 605 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 2: out there are like, Okay, what is the solution if 606 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: the Iyatola gets overthrown? What is the next step? By 607 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: the way, great calls wide variety of perspectives. It's why 608 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: I love opening up phone lines, because there aren't a 609 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: lot of people with a great deal of expertise when 610 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: it comes through with all of this, all right, we'll 611 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 2: play a couple of cuts more to close up shop. 612 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 2: As this story continues to play out, I would encourage 613 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 2: you guys to pay attention to it, because I do 614 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: think it could be in a Berlin Wall type moment. 615 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 2: If things were able to end up with the iatola 616 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: going away and the shot coming back and all these 617 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: different moving parts, it could be transformative in many different ways. 618 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: But I want to tell you very easy and fun 619 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 2: thing going on Monday night football the final wild card 620 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 2: game of the weekend. 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We've got 641 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 4: a call in from Michael. Clay says a good call. 642 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna trust Clay on this one. Michael, what have 643 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 4: you got for us? 644 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 9: Hey, guys, good to hear from me. Well, I was 645 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 9: thinking about the whole case that's going to happen tomorrow 646 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 9: about the transgenderism. And we all know that Kintanji Brown 647 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 9: Jackson when she was going to her confirmation hearings couldn't. 648 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: Define what a woman is. 649 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 9: So if she can't define what a woman is, how 650 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 9: can she make a logical and compelling argument about transgender 651 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 9: women or women's sports. 652 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: I think it's really disheartening. 653 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 2: We'll talk about that tomorrow. That's I like that argument. 654 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 2: By the way, let's get Fred and Sacramento. Another Iranian 655 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 2: caller got thirty seconds spread. We're finishing up the show, 656 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 2: but we want to hear from you. 657 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: Hi, thanks for putting me on. I just want to 658 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: remind everyone that people in Iran, they love Americans. These 659 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: new generations they've forgotten that. Actually it was harder to 660 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: destroy Iran by getting rid of Shawkay. 661 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for the thanks for the call. 662 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 4: I think you broke off there. 663 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 2: I do think a lot of young Iranians are very 664 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: favorably disposed to the United States in a way that 665 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: might surprise people in the United States. We'll talk more 666 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: about this tomorrow. Thanks for all of you hanging out 667 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 2: with us on the Monday edition.