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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's sad kid's coming this way.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, hal I said.

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Speaker 2: Hyras j.

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, Booze Siato Drive. What does it mean to you?

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Speaker 2: I know you guys. I know that you like spooky stuff,

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Speaker 2: so you probably know about the Manson murders. Now listen,

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Speaker 2: anytime we're talking about murders, I like to be compassionate

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Speaker 2: about the victims. It's a horrible, horrible tragedy that happened

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Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty nine on Siello Drive. But it's also

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Speaker 2: one of the most since stationalized juicy Hollywood. It's the

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Speaker 2: ultimate Hollywood teal, really, because when we talk about the

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Speaker 2: Manson family, we're talking drugs, we're talking sex, we're talking

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Speaker 2: the sixties, we're talking cult mentality. And then we're talking

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Speaker 2: about famous people. We're talking about the iconic Sharon Tate,

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Speaker 2: Jay Sebring, the hairstylist of the stars, Abigail Folger, the

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Speaker 2: heiress to the Folger Coffee fortune. These were very important people.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna get too into the murder because

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you already know about it. But if not,

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Speaker 2: go google it. You know they should make a movie

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Speaker 2: about it. Oh wait a minute, They have made about

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Speaker 2: ten thousand billion movies about it every single year since

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Speaker 2: it happened. In fact, this is actually the fiftieth anniversary

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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, and because of that, there are three

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Speaker 2: movies coming out this year. There is The Haunting of

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Speaker 2: Time in Hollywood, which I don't think is necessarily about

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Speaker 2: the murder, but I think that it's sort of tied

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Speaker 2: into it. That's a Quentin Tarantino film, and Margot Robbie

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Speaker 2: called Tate that is Kate Bosworth. So I've been fascinated

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Speaker 2: by the Manson murders for a very long time. And

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Speaker 2: I heard that there is a man named David Omen

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Speaker 2: where the whole incident happened in nineteen sixty nine. It's

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Speaker 2: a very small private drive, and I do not encourage

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Speaker 2: you to go up there. Just don't do it. You're

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Speaker 2: not going to see anything from the murders. How You're

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Speaker 2: not going to see that stuff. And it's a private drive.

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Speaker 2: Nice people live on the street that don't want to

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Speaker 2: be bothered. But I did hear that there's a man

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Speaker 2: shows because there's all kinds of activity. Now, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to just talk about the Manson murder victims, because

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Speaker 2: this man lives in what it has been called a

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Speaker 2: ghost flop house. It's been called Disneyland for the dead.

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Speaker 2: It just seems to be sort of a place where

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Speaker 2: ghosts like to come and go. It's just like, hey,

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Speaker 2: let's check out David Omen's house before we make our

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Speaker 2: way to the other side. And it seems like there's

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Speaker 2: just a rotating roster of spirits, but apparently the ghosts

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Speaker 2: of some of the Manson murder victims. Now, this man,

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Speaker 2: David Omen, and his house have been featured on Ghost Hunters,

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Speaker 2: So I said, you know what, we gotta talk to

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Speaker 2: David Omen. So we had him in here, and he

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Speaker 2: is a character. This man can tell his story, he

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Speaker 2: good vibes. Now, this man is from Los Angeles. He

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Speaker 2: is an eccentric character. I you know, I feel like

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Speaker 2: I've really bonded with him, and he has been around

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Speaker 2: this interview. And don't you worry, because my producer Land

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Speaker 2: and I went to the world famous David Omen house

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you that story later, but

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Speaker 2: you've already been here and you've told me so many

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Speaker 1: Got in fifteen minutes. I did spilled my guts, didn't I?

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Speaker 2: But I know that there's just so much more because

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Speaker 2: how many years are we talking? Fourteen years, seventeen It'll

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Speaker 2: Okay, we got to go to the beginning. So you

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Speaker 2: obviously knew about the ants and murders. Yeah, Now, what

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Speaker 1: Or when we bought the lot? The story goes this way. November,

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Speaker 1: meet me. I just found a lot. And it's like, okay, Dad, great,

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Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe it. And lone behold, my

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was twenty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: That's all here, that's all. Yeah, that's all he cares

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Speaker 1: focusing on that? And I'm like, okay, so much for

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Speaker 1: he says, you know, if this is really forty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: off Los Philis, It was robel Vista Drive. Now robel

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Speaker 1: Vista Drive just happens to be the same street that

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Speaker 1: And as the story goes, Charles drove up to the

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Speaker 2: Well, not to give away where I live, but I

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Speaker 1: The house now it actually sits on the property. They

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell is that man? And it

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Speaker 2: Well, that Glen, I mean, that house was real big,

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Speaker 2: So let's go back to so you guys you begin construction,

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Speaker 1: Sure, So I've assembled the five labors that had been

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Speaker 1: hammer in hand, and he goes, looks around. He goes,

426
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: when O hello, when OH send your ball? He goes,

427
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: no response, so he says, all right. He goes to

428
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: the second floor and takes a quick look around. He goes,

429
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: nothing there. He goes, that's it. I'm done. I'm getting

430
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: the hell out of here. So he goes downstairs and

431
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: he starts packing up his bags and he says, all

432
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it happens. They said, what happens? He goes,

433
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: I start hearing footsteps coming down the staircase. And I said,

434
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: the staircase, he said. He goes, yeah, the staircase goes.

435
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, we have these two inch by fourteen inch

436
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: wide planks, you know, solid wood, that are on the

437
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: treads making up the stairs, so there's no carpet. He goes,

438
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: and I hear what sounds like leathers sold shoes coming

439
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: down the stairs case, hitting each one of the treads

440
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: and getting louder and louder till he got to the

441
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: bottom of the landing. He goes, what did you do?

442
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: And he goes, I rushed out into the room and

443
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: I'm like ten feet from the bottom where the landing is,

444
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: and it was all open. At the time, it was

445
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: eleven foot high ceilings. There was no doorway. It was

446
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: just a eight foot by eight foot stairwell that landed

447
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the third level. And he goes.

448
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: He goes, I look and there's nothing there, and I said,

449
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: what happened? Goes it happened? I said, what happened? He goes,

450
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: I felt this ice cold breeze. He goes, it was weird.

451
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't like all over my body because it was

452
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: isolated to the neck. He goes, right below his hairline

453
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: and right above his back. He goes, there was like

454
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: a two inch wide band of ice that went running

455
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: across the back of his neck. He says, all the

456
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: hairs in his body stood straight up. He shrugged his

457
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 1: shoulders in fear and said, oh those meals to those meals, yeah,

458
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: my boy, yeah, my boy. Translated English means oh my god.

459
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm leaving. I'm leaving. And he didn't

460
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: come back for six weeks. And I said, wait a second,

461
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: when you took off, you were supposed to do and

462
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: put the tiles in the master bathroom, right, And he

463
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: goes yeah. I said, so that's when you told them

464
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: you were in l Salvator taking care of your sick mom.

465
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: He goes yeah, I said, where were you, gouse, I

466
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: was working other jobs. So a couple of years after

467
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm living there, I'm in my bedroom. It's eight in

468
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: the morning, and I wake up and I'm sitting there

469
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: with my two dogs and my four cats are on

470
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: the bed with me, and I'm looking up and I'm thinking,

471
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: all right, I got the dated, this, this, and this

472
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: to do today. Let's get up. And as I'm about

473
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: to get up out of bed, I stopped to hearing

474
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: the sound of footsteps. And I'm not talking about pitter patter.

475
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about human footsteps going from the stair from

476
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: these flighting glass door above me on the balcony, across

477
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: the ceiling, which is the f or on the upper

478
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: top floor, across going towards the kitchen. And I sat

479
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: there and I'm looking up at the ceiling, and I'm

480
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: tracking the footsteps as they're going from my right to left,

481
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: and I'm going one, two, three, as they're getting, you know,

482
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: softer in the distance, as they're making their way towards

483
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: the kitchen, and I'm like, I counted off ten footsteps,

484
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: and I said, that would place that person in the

485
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: middle of the dining room. And I'm like, holy shit.

486
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: And I looked at the alarm. The alarm was on

487
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: in the house, all the doors were set, the infrared

488
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: sensors were set, so there is no way a physical

489
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: human being could have walked anywhere on that top floor

490
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: and not have triggered the sliding glass door sensor, the

491
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: front door sensor, or the infrared sensors. And I sat

492
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: and I said, oh my god. I sat and I

493
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: started to chuckle nervously, saying, I don't believe it. I've

494
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: heard the footsteps that we counted to me by Julio

495
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: some four years earlier when the construction was being finished,

496
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, I don't believe I said, I'm giddy

497
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: as all hell. And I said, am I going to

498
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: get up out of bed to find out what's upstairs?

499
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: And I said, hell, no. I sat there in bed

500
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: for an hour, just just not petrified or mortified, just

501
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: like going, okay, wrap your fingers around it. Come on,

502
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: get the strength up, get the balls up, get get

503
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: the courage up. Man, you gotta go upstairs and find

504
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: out what the is going on. So finally, after an hour,

505
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock, I said, I got to get on

506
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: with the day. I said, I can't just sit here.

507
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: And I noticed that the front doors didn't censor, didn't

508
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: go off, and didn't like somebody walked out the front door.

509
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: Some thinking, all right, if it's a person, he's still there.

510
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: If it's a ghost, who knows where the hell he is.

511
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: All I know is that, physically speaking, that individual or

512
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: entity did not open and close the front door or

513
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: the sliding glass doors to leave. So I said, ah,

514
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: it's enough of this crap, get upstairs. I go upstairs.

515
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: I look around the whole house. Everything is fine. The

516
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: front door is bolt dead, bolted in the end, then locked.

517
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: I look at the doors, to the sliding glass, to

518
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: the windows on the balcony. They're locked. And I'm like,

519
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: all right, that's that's a ghost. That had to be

520
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: a ghost. But was that the first that was the

521
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: first time I heard the footsteps in the house. Now,

522
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: mind you, this is playing nine two thousand and four,

523
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, two thousand and five about and

524
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that is a trip. And then a

525
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: few years later, in two thousand and eight or nine,

526
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm in the third level in which is now the

527
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: theater room, and I'm watching White Chicks with the front

528
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: of this date. And I remember that we were watching

529
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: White Chicks because I remember we're in the middle of

530
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: the movie and it's right where what's his face. I'm

531
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: trying to think of the actor's name, Terry Terry, Terry

532
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: Terry Crews starts saying, oh, hello, my white chocolate. Listen that.

533
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: And right at that moment, I hear a man start

534
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: talking in the middle of the movie with my blind

535
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: with my date, and I said, hold on a second,

536
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: and it sounds like it's coming from the top floor

537
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: where the answering machine is. So I go into the

538
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: other room. I said, hold on, So I'm gonna check

539
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: the answering machine. So I pick up the phone and

540
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: it's a dial tone. I go hello, Hello. I'm like, oh,

541
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: all right, they messed a hung up. So I pick

542
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: up the other telephone that ring that I can so

543
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: I can call the extension that has the answering machine

544
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: on it, since the other one has a voicemail setup.

545
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: So I called the answering machine. I hear ring ring?

546
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Where you hearing? Oh? I hear the telephone ring upstairs.

547
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm going wait a second, wait a fucking second. Before

548
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: I heard the man's voice, did I hear a ring

549
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: ring like the tough ring? And I thought to myself,

550
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: I didn't hear a ring ring. I didn't hear anything,

551
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so the machine goes off and I

552
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: pressed the machine. They said no messages, and I'm like,

553
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: no messages, What the fuck? So I go back into

554
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: the room from the guest him and I see it

555
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: to my day, I said, I'll be right back. So

556
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I go upstairs. I look through the entire house. All

557
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: the windows are shut. It's March, it's freezing outside and

558
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: it's windy, so all the windows were closed. I'm thinking,

559
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: all right, that eliminates the possibility of a telephone message,

560
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: of a voice message on the machine, of the windows

561
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: being open, and I'm hearing a neighbor neighbor's conversation or something.

562
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: I said okay, and I thought to myself, let's go

563
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: to the answering machine. I look at the answering machine,

564
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: no calls, look at the caller. I d no calls

565
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: in the past three hours except from mine, and I'm like, okay,

566
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: now I definitely have something. So I go downstairs and

567
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: I say it to my date. Did you hear the telephone?

568
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question? She goes yeah. She goes,

569
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: did you hear the telephone ring before you heard the

570
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: man's voice?

571
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: Because she heard it too, because she heard it.

572
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: I said, did you? I said, did you hear it?

573
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: She goes, I heard somebody talking having a one way

574
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody. I heard one part of the conversation,

575
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: but I didn't hear the other. I said, yeah, that's

576
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: what I heard. And I said, so you didn't hear

577
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: the ring ring before you heard the man's voice. And

578
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: she goes no. And I said, and she goes, why

579
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: do you ask me? I said, well, I don't want

580
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: to freak you out. But I went upstairs. I first

581
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: I called the machine to see who it was, and

582
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: there was no message. I went upstairs and looked at

583
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: the answering machine. No messages, call her. I d no calls.

584
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the ring before I heard the man's voice.

585
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: I've gone through the house. The windows were all shut.

586
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell is going on. And

587
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: she goes, do you mean to tell me that we

588
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 1: just heard a ghost dog? I said, yeah, I can't

589
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: really tell you what we heard, but I can tell

590
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: you it wasn't the television. It wasn't the answer. And

591
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: she goes, no, no, it was coming literally coming down

592
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: the stairwell, because we could hear it coming down through

593
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: the curtains there. And she said, she goes, I'm out

594
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: of here. And I never saw her again.

595
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: Oho.

596
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: And I but I thought, I thought, I said, you

597
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: know something, if this was the case and this was

598
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: what the spirits did, there might is always a reason.

599
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: And I have learned through my experiences, just because something

600
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: doesn't go your way, think of it not in terms

601
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: of oh look what I lost. I said, think of

602
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: it this way. Look what you didn't get messed up with?

603
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: Well, and you know, if a girl is going to

604
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: be dating you, she's got to deal with the roommates.

605
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: You bet you the unseen roommates. You bet your ass

606
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: if you can't hang with that. Then it's like out

607
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: of here, chick bye, you know, which I personally think

608
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: it's the same thing when people say, you know, do

609
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: you like animals like I love animals. Well, I don't

610
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: think I can set you up with her because she doesn't.

611
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, she's allergic, okay, with at least five ghosts.

612
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: How many spirits do you think are in the house,

613
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: because there's also I've heard things that might be on

614
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: an Indian burial ground. Clear this all up for me?

615
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's see Indian barrel ground. This goes back

616
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: to Lisa Williams from the Lisa Williams Experience, the famous

617
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: English psychic who had a television show a few years ago,

618
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: ten some odd years ago, and after I appeared on

619
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: these show, ghost Hunters, which I think was the second

620
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: television show I had been on at the time, and

621
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: that was thirteen years ago, in two thousand and six,

622
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: I do believe, or seven, Lisa Williams saw the episode

623
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: and I get an email saying, this is Lisa Williams.

624
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: I'd love to come and see your house. I saw

625
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: you in Ghost Hunters and I'm like, wow, I'm flattered.

626
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: Somebody that's a paranormal, a psychic, that's some television that

627
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: has reputation, et cetera, et cetera, and I'll use the

628
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: word loosely famous is reaching out to me to see

629
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: my house. And I was like, Wow, that's a trip.

630
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: I felt on it. I feel that as somebody's reaching

631
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: out to me sincerely and has that approach, I'm not

632
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: going to say no. And I didn't. And I was like, Lisa, well, sure,

633
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: please come. You're the first person that's reached out to

634
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: me that's in that field that I haven't been on

635
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: their television show or this and that, and they want

636
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: to see I said please. I said, however, I want

637
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: you to come up with no camera crew or anything

638
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: like that, just you and whoever you want to bring.

639
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: So she said fine, she came up to the house

640
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: and it was a great experience.

641
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: I was just bloom camera crew.

642
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: Well, because a couple months earlier, my neighbor told me

643
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: that she had seen Lisa at the bottom of the

644
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: driveway shooting a promo with the camera crew and she

645
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: heard her saying, Hi, it's Lisa Williams and I'm on

646
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: the infamous private cel of drive Private. Just a few

647
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: just just down the driveway from where Sharon Tate was

648
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: killed to do a promo for her new TV show

649
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: that she was putting out there, and I said, this

650
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: is private property. This isn't a public street. From the

651
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 1: very very bottom of the entrance to the drive all

652
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: the way up is private property. And for her to

653
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: shoot up there, she would have had gotten a permission

654
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: from one of the neighbors to grant her the ability

655
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: to do that. Usually the first person in front of

656
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: her house would have been required to say, look, if

657
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: you're going to do this, you have to have me

658
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: sign off, otherwise you're violating our privacy et cetera, et cetera.

659
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: And this is trespass issues, et cetera, et cetera. So

660
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: I said, look, I'm not going to be used for

661
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: somebody else's television show without getting some kind of you

662
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: know benefit in my side, Like are you going to

663
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: talk about the house? What are you going to do?

664
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: Because I'd seen with what the ghost hunters did and

665
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: what happened with my ghost story, I was like, when

666
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, saying you got to be protecting the image

667
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: of this of you and the house and how they

668
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: present it.

669
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: Got it okay?

670
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: So that's why I said, I said, so she agreed,

671
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: and she came to the house and she took about

672
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: ten steps in got to the top of the dining room,

673
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: which goes down two steps into the living room, and

674
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: she turns to her right, which is in the direction

675
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: of the bar, and she looks and she starts squinting,

676
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: rising and she's opening up and going oh. Like she's

677
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: moving her head around, looking like saying oh uh uh

678
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: uh and pointing out. I'm going what And she goes, oh,

679
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: do you know there's a big party in your bar?

680
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I start to squeeze my scrint

681
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: my eyes and look really tightly, going shot, I don't

682
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: see it, gush on thing. I'm thinking. I said, what

683
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: the hell is she? And she goes, well, there's j

684
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: there's Sharon, there's Rudolph Valentino, whose house was across the canyon.

685
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: Valentino's up in there too.

686
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: Rudolph Valentino's house, Falcon Lare, famously enough, is literally across well,

687
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: what's left of Falcon Lare is still there, is across

688
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 1: the canyon. You look from my balcony, you see straight

689
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: across there. It is. Wow, he's the they're the opposite

690
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: side if Colo. If Coilo Drive Private was a public street,

691
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: it would be called Bella Drive, which is the street

692
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: across which is where Valentino's house is. And he's the

693
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: you make a right turn off of Silo to go

694
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: to Belly, you make a left turn off of Coila

695
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: to go to my driveway. So, in essence, Valentino's house

696
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: sits on the exact opposite side of the hill from mine,

697
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: and it's really the other side of Cielo Drive Private,

698
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: but they called it Bella. And she goes, there's some

699
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: Native Americans here, and there's a bunch of other people

700
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: who I don't recognize, and I'm dumbstruck, going huh, And

701
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: she goes, oh yeah, and she goes, they want me

702
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: to tell you that they really appreciate you allowing them

703
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: to stay in your house.

704
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: And I'm like, did you have a choice?

705
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: I bought? This is what I said. Look, I said,

706
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: I've seen the pictures of Sharon Jay Voischik Abigail Stephen

707
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: in the on the crime scene at the LAPD some

708
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: six months earlier. So far be it from me to

709
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: add insult to injury to the murder victims. I said,

710
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I said, Look, they're

711
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: not any harm, in any nuisance or trouble to me,

712
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: and I feel the most utmost empathy for their demise

713
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: of how they died. I said, I'm not going to

714
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: add insult ting and put it upon them to be like,

715
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here. I said. Secondly, I

716
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: know that I'm not going to live forever. So when

717
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: I do pass over and I get to the other side,

718
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: the last thing I want is to be having my

719
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: ask get kicked around the block for all eternity, because

720
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: this prison to say, hey, hey, there's that son of

721
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: a bitch David, remember him, he kicked us out of

722
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: his house. That I'm grateful. Fuck there, there's there's eternity.

723
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: And I said, I said, I said, Look, I said,

724
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: I like making friends, I said, with the right people.

725
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: So if in fact they are here and they greet

726
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: me on the other side, they'll treat me as a friend,

727
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: not as an adversary, as an enemy. I said, So

728
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather, you know, pat my my afterlife in a

729
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: way that I'm not going to be crucified for the

730
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: eternal life. And she laughed. She goes, well, that's she goes,

731
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: they're all laughing, and she goes, they all think, thank you,

732
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: because that's what they appreciate about you. Your your your

733
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: approach to things. It's so unique. And it's like, I said,

734
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: that's I said, well, Lisa, that's who I am. I

735
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: can't help it. That's just the way I roll. And

736
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: she goes, well, that's why they want me to tell

737
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: you that. They really. I said, that's good. I appreciate them.

738
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: And I said, there's no no hardship on my behalf.

739
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: I said, I'm fine with it. They can stay. Fast

740
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: forward to two thousand and what was this fourteen? Yeah, fourteen,

741
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: after two years of having Ghost Adventures show, the Ghost

742
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: Adventure Show come after me literally, well we want to

743
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: be on you. We want you on our show. And

744
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: it was like going, yeah, I really don't think so.

745
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: I've already done my ghost story, Panormal Witness Hunted, History

746
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: ghost Hunters, and then two shows in the UK Hunt

747
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: Uh Dead, Famous Live and Searching for Satan and one

748
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: in Japan. It said, I really don't feel like it.

749
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: I really don't. First of all, I didn't really appreciate

750
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: their their modus operandi, which from Latin means there are

751
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: ways of operating. I didn't like the fact that they were,

752
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: for lack of better words, bullying and cow towing the

753
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: spirits around and trying to antagonize them. I just said,

754
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, I really don't find that that appealing. I

755
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: think it's kind of disingenuous, it's dramatic, it's fraught with sensationalism,

756
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: and it's everything I don't like. So finally we made

757
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: a deal and they came out to do the show.

758
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: So during this time they were gonna they said, we're

759
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: gonna be here for four days. I said, four days.

760
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he goes, no, no, no, no, no, no.

761
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: You don't understand. It's not all happening in one day,

762
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: and it's not like we're going to be doing every

763
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, the investigation in four days. I said, oh,

764
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: he goes, this is the schedule. First day, we're going

765
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: to do interviews with you walking around the house. Second

766
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: day we do interviews with other people that have been

767
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: here in their experiences. Third day we do interview, we

768
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: do the reenactment of the different stories that we've come

769
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: up with, and then and we will also do b roll.

770
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: I said, what's the last day? Is all the last

771
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: day is the lockdown. Oh okay, so he guys, we'll

772
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: be here five hours, you know, the first day, six

773
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: hours the second day. Then we'll do some evening shots

774
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: and some afternoon shots on the third day, and the

775
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: fourth day we're going to be here from eight and

776
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: eight seven in the evening to like four or five

777
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: in the morning. Okay. So on the fourth day, Zach

778
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: rolls out and I said to Zach, I said, look,

779
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: you guys are here. You're from Vegas. I said, how'd

780
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: you guys like to come by tomorrow night when you're

781
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: off work, and we'll barbecue and we'll all hang out

782
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: and we'll talk and we'll shoot the shit and we'll

783
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: talk about the stories of the house, not on camera.

784
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: And I had figured it in a line, in the

785
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: lineage or in the ways that Lisa Williams had behaved

786
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: professional and very interested and intrigued, and it was really something, sincerely,

787
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: something she was really interested in. With Zach, it was like, oh, man,

788
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: I can't because I got a chick flying in and

789
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you live in Vegas, man, you can

790
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: catch I can't understand how it is you wouldn't take

791
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: your prize trophies in your own city, where it's you

792
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: got everything at your disposal and it's easy to get

793
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: people in and out of Vegas. But she's flying in

794
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: Dela to meet you while you're here in La And

795
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: I shook my head and I go okay. And at

796
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: that moment I thought to myself, fuh ah, nah no, no, no, no,

797
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: kept having from the spirits saying, God, you gotta be

798
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: kidding me. This guy is just a fraud. Damn like it.

799
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: They thought. I was like, you know, sink you sincerely

800
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: approached him and said, look, outside of this what you're

801
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: doing for the show, wouldn't you really appreciate the chance

802
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: to shoot the ship and to talk to me off

803
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: camera to get the feel of the house. And uh huh,

804
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: he's he's so devoid of the interest levels that a

805
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: real professional parapsychologist or an interest a ghost investigator would

806
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: really take the opportunity to saying, Yeah, I get to

807
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: spend some time here without the cameras and too talking

808
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: to you about the paranormal and seeing it for myself.

809
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: This would be a cool opportunity. Let's do it. No,

810
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: so I didn't bother asking Nick and Aaron because I

811
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: figured this is that this is the way the status

812
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: quote for the whole group. And we went and they

813
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: shot the show and they started at nine o'clock. They

814
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: were gonna go from nine o'clock to six to three

815
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: in the morning on the lockdown. So at nine o'clock

816
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: I go to the top of the stairs, right before

817
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna sweet ask me out of the house. And

818
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: I go to the top of the stairs and I said, Spirits,

819
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I know you're a frickin' piste. I said,

820
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: I know what happened the night before and how you

821
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: feel about these people. And what I'm referring to is

822
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: the night before during the b roll and the reenactment footage,

823
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: they were doing a reenactment of a story that this

824
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: girl had said she had experienced at the house a

825
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: few months earlier, which I don't personally believe took place ever,

826
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: but they went with it as the reenactment, and that

827
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: was this girl was driven up the driver with her

828
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: mom and saw a pregnant, bloodied Sharon Tate dressed in

829
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: a white nightgown covered in blood, cressing and clutching her

830
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: pregnancy in pain. And I said, no, that's not real,

831
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: and they were doing it anyways. Really, I said, well,

832
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: that's fine, you do it at your own peril. And

833
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: the night that the night before the lockdown shooting it,

834
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: and I'm outside taking pictures from the side of the house,

835
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: and one of the pictures there's an image of this

836
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: ball of white, brilliant light pouring out of the girl's stomach,

837
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, wait a second, what in the hell

838
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: is that? I said, The camera's in front, the lights

839
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: are in front to illuminate her front wise, there are

840
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: no lights behind her. So how has it got this

841
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: big ball light pouring out of her or something reflecting

842
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: off of this white flannel or white It wasn't flannel.

843
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: It's a white, silky nightgown. And I was like, and

844
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: I looked through all the other pictures, the other forty pictures,

845
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: that was the only one that had this, and I

846
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: started to feel sick, and all of a sudden, I

847
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: got chills, and I said, I heard the spirit saying

848
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: that this is the ultimate, an ultimate point of disrespect

849
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: towards her memory. And then I felt like, oh, I

850
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: just I felt this animosity rolling all around me, just

851
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: like this anger whirling around me, going we're gonna get it.

852
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: And you're hearing voices saying he's doomed, he's deat he's done,

853
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: he's done, He's that's it. This is just no. We

854
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: will not tolerate this. This is the ultimate disrespect for

855
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: the memory of Sharon Tate. And I'm like, holy, what

856
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: the hell is this? And I just felt like ooh

857
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: ew ah. So the next night, at nine o'clock, I

858
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: go to the top of the stairs and I basically

859
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: close for us. I said, I know you're pissed off,

860
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: I said, but I don't want you to effing touch

861
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: these people. I know you want to kill them. I

862
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: know you want to throttle them. I know you want

863
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: to just totally take it out on them. Please don't

864
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: f with them, Please, I said, this is my house,

865
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: this is on my head. They're not going to blame you.

866
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: They're going to blame me. And I don't want this

867
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: and I don't want you guys to take it on them.

868
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be the case. The executive

869
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: producer of the producer from the show comes up to

870
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: me as I'm walking out this and goes, what the

871
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: hell was that? I said, Look, I said, I have

872
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: been feeling absolutely terrified at what you guys are about

873
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: to embark upon. And he goes, what do you mean.

874
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: I said, when you guys were doing the shoot last

875
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: night for the reenactment of the Pregnant, Bloodied Up Sharon

876
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Tate and night gown walking around doing that b roll,

877
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: I took some pictures and I got a picture of

878
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: this and he goes, yeah, he goes, I said, not

879
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 1: to mention. I said, I kept on feeling the whole

880
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: time after that that you guys were in dire, dire straits.

881
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: I said, you guys were really messing with people you

882
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: shouldn't have And he goes, he that went over his head.

883
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: He goes, will you go back to the top of

884
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: the stairs and do it again? Though he said it's

885
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: good TV. He goes, he said that. He goes, this

886
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: is good TV, goes, I want that, goes, but you

887
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: but you have to do it in a clean, a

888
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: g rated version, because I can't have those curse words

889
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: in there. And I looked at him and said, you

890
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: didn't listen to anything. I said, yeah, it's just I

891
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: looked like one that that everything I just said, one

892
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: right over your head. Huh. That just didn't make sense

893
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: to you. Did it okay? Fine? And I said, okay,

894
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: I'll do it because I'm thinking asn't as a as

895
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: being part of their show. And I learned this through

896
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: the years of doing shows. Sometimes you have to do things.

897
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: You have to modify your descriptions so that it's a

898
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: little more dramatic. So again, for the show's sake, they

899
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: want a little bit more pump pop. So I went

900
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: to the top of the stairs and I did the

901
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: re enactment. And I was very very coy about it,

902
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: and very very genteel and very cleaned up the rhetoric

903
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: I put out there, but I still meant it at heart. Well,

904
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: they started at nine o'clock. Well, all the equipment failed

905
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: right after they walked in the house. Everything, all the

906
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: batteries died, all the backup batteries were dead. And they said,

907
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: we have a problem, goes on because all the equipments failed.

908
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: And I going, what Because all the equipments failed, we

909
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: have to we have to scramble, So what do you mean,

910
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: goes We have to figure out what's going on here.

911
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: So for the next hour, from nine to ten, they

912
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: were in front of the house all desperately trying to

913
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: figure out where the failures of the equipment was, why

914
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: the backup batteries were dead, and they were all fully

915
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: charged two minutes before they started. So they went and

916
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: they redid all their stuff. They started at ten o'clock.

917
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm outside the house, and you know, because I'm not

918
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: in the God car, I'm not singing my little rab

919
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: four waiting to just sit there and freeze my ass

920
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: off and my dog's and my cats. So I kept

921
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: on mosing around and I go up to Jay, who's

922
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 1: in the garage with the sound equipment, and he says,

923
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: he goes, guys, guys, I just heard something. So he

924
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: puts everybody else gets the mic, gets to hear the headphones,

925
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: and they put the headphones on me, and I'm listening

926
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: and I hear something, and I said, here's what's this?

927
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: And he goes, Where's where's this mic? He is it's

928
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the stairwell. Okay, I said, what's

929
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: He goes, listen, listen. He plays it and I hear

930
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: this thing go whoof? Whoof? And I go, okay, all right,

931
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: I said, oh, what the hell are you doing? I said,

932
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: who's the comedian who's downstairs at the bottom of the

933
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: stairwell making dog imitating a dog barking, and he goes

934
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: and Jay looks at me. He goes, David, he goes,

935
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: there's no one in the house. I said, when did

936
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: you just get He goes. He goes, right when you

937
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: heard me? Go guys, guys, because that's why I heard it.

938
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: I said, your kin. He goes, literally two minutes ago,

939
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: and he goes and Jay goes, goes, look look here.

940
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: He goes, you don't believe me that evybe's outside the house.

941
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: He goes, take a look. And I looked, and there's Nick, Zach, Aaron.

942
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: Jay was there and a couple of other people and

943
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: the crew. And I said, there's no one. He goes,

944
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: I said, WHOA. I said, I got a goddamn ghost

945
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: with a freaking sense of humor. And he says to me,

946
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: he goes, that's me. It's like I said, I believe you.

947
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: I just find it amusing. The spirits of got a

948
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: sense of humor. So they go on and go back in,

949
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: and then of course Nick comes up and he's got

950
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: the burn. It's probably about eleven thirty now, and he's

951
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: got a burn on himself and he's like Oh no,

952
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: this isn't good. I don't know what the hell. And

953
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, going, that's never happened here in the times

954
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: I've lived here in the past five years of the past,

955
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: what it was at fourteen, twelve years, And I'm like, wow,

956
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: that's that's sensational. Fu. So they send him back down

957
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: and then the whole shit with him starts happening, and

958
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm hearing I'm listening to I'm watching Zach and Aaron

959
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: in the back with Jay in the back of this van,

960
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: watching the monitor, and I can hear what's going on

961
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: because it's it's the speakers, excuse me for playing the audio.

962
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: And I hear Nick having problems and he is terror

963
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: I hear in the voice in his voice that he's

964
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: got this tone of terror, of absolute, ab absolute abstract panic.

965
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: And I sit there and I look at the I

966
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: look at Zack and I look at Aaron, and they're

967
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: cracking the fuck up. They're just laughing aha. And Zack's

968
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: like I said, And I keep on looking back at

969
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: the monitor they're looking at and I look at them

970
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: and I go back and forth. I go, you know,

971
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna hold water in my house said, who

972
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: the hell do you think you are. You do not

973
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: get to take advantage of a person who's in my

974
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: house that's with you guys, and torture him whether or

975
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: not it's actually occurring and it's or if it's actually

976
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: only happening in his mind, that doesn't matter. That you

977
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: guys are letting him hang down there and sink into

978
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: the abyss in his own mind of going through the

979
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: experience of being terrified and traumatized. I just said, that's it.

980
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: I said, I said, if you sons, if you don't

981
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: go the fuck down there right now and get him,

982
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: I said, I don't give a flying about the God contract.

983
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: I Am going down there and I'm going to save

984
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: him and rescue him, because it's not important. What do

985
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 1: you guys think is going on, And that you can't

986
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: see anything and you can't hear anything in that you

987
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything actually happening. You think he's just

988
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: freaking himself out, is beside the point. The point is

989
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: you don't leave somebody in a situation where they are

990
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and they're feeling threatened and fearful for their life.

991
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: It's good TV. Yeah, that's what they My middle figure

992
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: the Zach begins a good TV Yeah you know, so,

993
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 2: I said.

994
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: Then Zach said, all right, he's serious. It was like,

995
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: you think I'm I was like, I was offendous. Think

996
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, you think I'm kidding. I said, I

997
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: don't do that. I don't work with people like that.

998
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: So he's all right, guys, come on, let's all right,

999
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: he goes, and he's finally like, let's row, let's let's

1000
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: rally the troops and go down there. And literally it's

1001
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: another minute going by. And what you see on the

1002
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: episode doesn't show you the totality of how long he

1003
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: was there. If there was a time clock for how

1004
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: long he was in that situation, was at least five minutes.

1005
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 2: Because from watching the episode, I really gather that there's

1006
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: a manevolent, a malevolent force, there's an evil of some

1007
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: sort or something, you know, but from your experience, that's

1008
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: not the case at all. It's just they were not

1009
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: into what was going on. They didn't like the guests

1010
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 2: in the house, they didn't like their mission.

1011
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will basically say this, I don't believe in

1012
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: such things as demons, devils, malevolent spirits. I think that

1013
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: it's I take it and I put things in these terms.

1014
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: When a human being is alive, what they are is

1015
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: a person. They have the good moments and their bad moments.

1016
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: Some people have more bad moments than good moments, such

1017
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: as people like Adolf Hitler and Mouse Tongue and other

1018
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: people that were despots and such. And I'm just using

1019
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: those as an example. I'm not saying that they're all

1020
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: like that, but like Jeffrey Dahmer and people like that,

1021
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: there's a malevolency that we consider. We don't call it.

1022
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: We sometimes term it in so many ways of saying

1023
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: they're evil. That's when you're talking about a malevolent spirit.

1024
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: That's what it is. It's the cast off energy or

1025
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: the personality of a person that was a real piece

1026
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: of work when they were alive. There's still a piece

1027
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: of work when they're dead. There's not. I don't personally

1028
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: believe in hell or hades. Well, I can't say hades.

1029
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: I believe in hades in the sense of what the

1030
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: Greeks were talking about and crossing over the River Styx,

1031
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: which was basically the transition between living and the deceased.

1032
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't feel that there's so many malevolent things like

1033
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: there's a malevolent overseeing force in the universe that's there

1034
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: to basically give people an out that are bad people,

1035
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: for a place for them to go. But what I've

1036
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: seen is is that just like with a human being,

1037
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: when you piss some buddy off, you're going to get

1038
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: hit upside the head.

1039
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1040
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: And I don't mean figure I mean figuratively, I don't

1041
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: mean physically, but I mean if you insult somebody, expect

1042
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: to get an insult back for them.

1043
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's what it's very interesting to hear about the

1044
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 2: spirits in your house because they have a sense of humor,

1045
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: they have feelings, you know, they look out for the

1046
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: way that they're being presented.

1047
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: I love that.

1048
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: So who are you at this point able to say

1049
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: that was Jay, that was Sharon.

1050
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to just focus on them, because

1051
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: back to your original questions in the house, According to

1052
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: Lisa Williams, the house is like a gigantic ghost flop house.

1053
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: Marianne when Kowski also said it's like your house is

1054
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: like at a revolving door. Marian Winkowski is the woman

1055
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: that the real life Ghost Whisper TV show was based upon,

1056
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: with Jennifer Love Hewitt, and I've spoken to her many times,

1057
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: and she said, your house has got a revolving door, sweetheart.

1058
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: Spirits just come in, they hang out for however long

1059
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: they like, and they float on out.

1060
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: Really, sometimes you get a new company, oh.

1061
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: All the time, Oh wow, we have. There's a photograph

1062
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: I've got during an investigation a few years back where

1063
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: it's all the people. It's half lit, but you can

1064
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: see people's silhouettes. And in this photograph there's a silhouette

1065
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: of a man wearing a ten gallon hat, like a

1066
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: Texas style ten gallon hat. And I looked at the

1067
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: picture and I said, Okay. I said to my friend Steve,

1068
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: I said, Steve, who's wearing the hat in the scene?

1069
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: He goes, David, no one, I said, no one. He goes,

1070
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: No one was wearing a baseball cap, let alone a

1071
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: ten gallon hat. And that is clearly the outline of

1072
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: a ten gallon hat, and a man's wearing it.

1073
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 2: And I'm like, so, who are the main stays? Who

1074
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 2: has been there since the beginning.

1075
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to say since the beginning, but who's

1076
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: there on a regular basis. I do believe Sharon's visits

1077
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: there quite often.

1078
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: Have you seen sharing.

1079
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: I've only seen the apparition of Jay Sebring fourteen years

1080
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: ago in the middle of the night, and that was

1081
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: a full body apparition. He looked great. He didn't look

1082
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: like he was in the clothes he was wearing when

1083
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: he was killed. He didn't look like the aftermath of

1084
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: the murders. He was. His body was completely wound free

1085
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: he had He was wearing a double breasted suit with

1086
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: short lapels, and at the time I didn't recognize him

1087
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: as him, But later on I discovered through looming some research,

1088
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: I found a photograph of Jay with his natural hairstyle,

1089
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: and that's who the heck I saw was Jay Sebring.

1090
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: Is that the only apparition you had seen this whole time?

1091
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: That's the only apparition that I've seen. And what I

1092
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: mean by apparition, I've seen people call them shadow people

1093
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: and they're oh, they're dark, and He's like, no. I

1094
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: just believe that a shadow person is a spirit that

1095
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: is transitting, transitioning from an apparition back to its normal

1096
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: type of a amorphic fog, so to speak. And at

1097
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: the moment when I saw these objects or images out

1098
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: of my corner of my eye. I'd see it in

1099
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: the fleeting moment of somebody walking by, and it was

1100
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: just like a like a blacked out a silhouette of

1101
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: a person's zooming by. I've never seen the apparition of Sharon.

1102
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: I know that other people have at the house have

1103
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: recounted the experience of seeing a blondhaired woman in a

1104
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: nightgown walking around. I'm like, they were first, I just

1105
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: saw your girlfriend. It's like, I just broke with my

1106
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: girlfriend a couple of months ago. What are you talking about,

1107
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: blonde hair? Said no, my girlfriend was at Breen Eagle

1108
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: was I just saw this blondhaired girl walk right by

1109
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: towards from the living room, towards the stairwell, and then

1110
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: she just vanished and I thought it was your girlfriend.

1111
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: They just ran down the stairs and it's like, uh uh.

1112
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: Jay's like I said, he's been there. The Native Americans

1113
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: are quite prominently there, and that would be the Tongva tribe.

1114
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: Done research they were actually in that area up into

1115
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: about one hundred and sixty five years ago, and about

1116
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: a mile away from my house on Sila Drive and

1117
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: Chevy Chase is a rock, a granite stone, a big

1118
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: boulder there and on it. There's a bronze placard which says,

1119
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty five, when ground was first broken for

1120
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: the Beverly Hills First Woman's Club, the remains of three

1121
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: Native Americans were uncovered from a battle between the early

1122
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: Californians and the Native Americans. So that also played into

1123
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: the story of Oh my god, there are Native Americans here.

1124
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: And I found out the tribe was called the Tongva tribe.

1125
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: They had been here for ten thousand years till about

1126
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty years ago when they were forcibly removed.

1127
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: Now have your neighbors had any experiences?

1128
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: The neighbors directly next to me and around me, I

1129
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: don't really talk to them much about it. I've been

1130
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: approached by the neighbors in the area that have told

1131
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: me of their strange experiences with the paranormal. And one

1132
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: case was these people have bought this house. They were

1133
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: remodeling it. It was bought an approbate. Shortly after remodeling,

1134
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: they had problems with somebody walking up and down the

1135
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: hall and opening and closing the doors to the cabin,

1136
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: to the cabins, to the linen closets, and stomping their

1137
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: feet up and down, and they called up the previous

1138
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: owner's son and they said, you know, we're having some

1139
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: And before they could say two words, they said, problems

1140
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: in the house, are you now? Well, that's our dad.

1141
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: He's very unhappy remodeling his castle, his domain. And they

1142
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: were like, what, he died two years early. And they

1143
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: went to find out that he had died a few

1144
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: years earlier in a convalescent home. And when it finally

1145
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: was sold and they bought and they started remodeling, his

1146
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: spirit was still very much attached to his home, which

1147
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: he had lived in for thirty years, so he was

1148
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: unduly upset about the fact that they were remodeling his

1149
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: palace and other things. So outside of that, I think

1150
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of things that happen in people's

1151
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: homes that people immediately dismiss. It's easy just to say, oh,

1152
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: that happened, Oh that's just as something you know, to

1153
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: wish it away to something else, or to say, oh,

1154
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: it's attributed to this. I have had experiences in the

1155
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: house where a couple of years ago, there was a

1156
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: large I was going outside to take the two dogs out,

1157
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: and I was three steps from the front door and

1158
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: I heard this incredible explosion, like glass smashing and shouting.

1159
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: I was like, what, I run in the house. I

1160
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: can look through the entire house. There is nothing. I'm

1161
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: looking at paintings with glass frames. Nothing. And I watched

1162
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: the footage from the close ticket television cameras and the

1163
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: sound acoustically was from the top floor, yet it could

1164
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: be heard through the entire three floors of the house.

1165
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I put this video up on YouTube.

1166
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: You can watch it. And I'm like, that is so strange.

1167
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: It's really prominent. It's a loud crash of glass. About

1168
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: six seven months later, I was going into the I

1169
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: was in the kitchen and I was looking to get

1170
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: a bowl out of the lower cabinet in the corner

1171
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: of the kitchen and I opened the door the door

1172
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: and I started pulling the lazy Susan, which is basically

1173
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: a platform on a swivel so you can roll it out.

1174
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: And I started pulling it and it stopped. I'm like,

1175
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: what the hell. I got a flash. I looked in

1176
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: and against the back corner on the floor outside the

1177
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: lazy Susan's area, there's four three PI recks, large eight

1178
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: to ten inch bulls that were stacked one inside the

1179
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: other that were on the thing shattered, and I'm like,

1180
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, I found the source to the gosh

1181
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: darn shattering the glass. And I'm like, oh my god,

1182
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I realized it was on top

1183
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: of the Lazy Susan and it's the lea that's the

1184
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: second platform. This top flap platform sits about twelve fourteen

1185
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: inches above the floor of the space. So somehow they

1186
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: got lifted up an inch over the lip that is

1187
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: around the edge of the Lazy Susan, I guess the

1188
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: platform and lifted up and moved over ten inches and

1189
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: dropped straight down. They weren't, I know, because when I

1190
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: put the gosh darn plates in there, I put the

1191
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: cast roles in there, and the bulls, I put them

1192
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: on top inside the Lazy Susan. I didn't put them outside. Furthermore,

1193
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: I didn't at the time when I had left the house.

1194
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the kitchen doing anything beforehand to even

1195
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: get that movement going. So literally, they took about six

1196
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: pounds worth of glass castle plates and dropped them.

1197
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: So I mean something like that. Do you do you

1198
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: know who would have done that? Or why they would

1199
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: have done that.

1200
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: When I came to asked, I said, all right, what's

1201
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: going on? What happened? You know, I'm thinking to myself

1202
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: something got damaged and I couldn't find it, and I'm like,

1203
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: all right, what's the joke? What happened? Was that just

1204
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: an acoustic faux pad that wasn't real? But when I

1205
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: found six months later, I was like, well and I

1206
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: got to buy some more cast roles and yeah, I'm like,

1207
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: son of a guys in they're pirates, that's not And

1208
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh god. And I didn't realize that

1209
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: there was that it had happened, that that it really

1210
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: had happened at the time, that it really didn't that

1211
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: much damage. Until I fent it was like, well, wow,

1212
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of damage. That's that's and it's

1213
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: not like it was feathers. It was substantial weight that

1214
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: was literally moved over and then dropped. Dang. So back

1215
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: to the story with mister Baggins. So back then, after

1216
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: they had gone through the house, they go down to

1217
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: the and pick Nick up and they bring him backstairs

1218
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: and Nick's like, oh, oh, I'm not happy. I'm having

1219
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: a tough that's just too much. And I'm like, wow,

1220
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: you guys realize I said to Zach and said, you're

1221
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: a piece of work. I'm not really happy about you.

1222
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: Later on, we watched the show and it airs like

1223
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: seven months later, and lo and behold, he's talking about

1224
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: the house and the Native American and I'm like, okay,

1225
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, out of his mouth comes

1226
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: these words of his you know, his house is built

1227
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: on ceremonial Native American burial ground. And I'm like, my

1228
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: friend says, you didn't tell us that because I had

1229
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: a viewing party to watch the show. And I'm like,

1230
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: that's because I didn't ever say that. Why would I?

1231
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: Who the what the I started laughing and I thought

1232
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: to myself, what did Jack ask? He says, he's saying

1233
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: something totally misquoting me, and it kept on going, and

1234
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: I said, oh shoot. I started to realize people are

1235
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 1: going to take this as the gospel of the Word

1236
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: of God, and they're going to derive a certain type

1237
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: of a theory about my house. And I'm going, what

1238
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: about the Native Americans? What about the tongue of the tribe?

1239
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: What if the tongue of the tribe takes this seriously

1240
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: and they want to get a gosha on excavation in

1241
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: the land on that property and see if they can

1242
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: find some remains. And if it is, you know what

1243
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: ends up happening. The property can be removed by Eminent

1244
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: Domain as a NAT as a Native American Cultural site.

1245
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 2: Wow, so that could actually affect a lot.

1246
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought to myself, Well, I said, first

1247
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: of all, I don't believe the story that he's saying.

1248
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: It's not a ceremonial Native American burial ground. Secondly, what

1249
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: Lisa Williams had said was that he was riding his horse.

1250
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: We went down there, so I'm backtracking Lisa Williams. But

1251
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: Lisa goes down into that room and she goes, oh,

1252
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: do you know that you have a Native American who

1253
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: was on horse back and his remains are interred in

1254
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: the mound of the earth here, which is the Earth

1255
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: and Wild Room. And I'm like, I didn't know that.

1256
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: And at the time, I didn't know anything about the

1257
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: Native Americans. So when I did the research and I

1258
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: found the Beverly Hills First Woman's Club and the Boulder,

1259
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: and I said, oh my god, she's right doing for

1260
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: the research. The Native Americans were in the area, and

1261
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: she said that he was riding his horse on what

1262
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: is now the driveway, which was the horse path, to

1263
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: the end of the driveway, which the end of the

1264
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: street was. She said, a plateau that looked down upon

1265
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: the canyon and you could have access to, saying if

1266
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: you're an enemy were coming up. I said, oh, that's interesting,

1267
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: and she goes, yeah, he was walking his horse down there,

1268
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: and the horse reared up, fell, took a step and

1269
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: fell down the slope of the hill with him, and

1270
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: both the horse and the rider's bodies were basically mangled

1271
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: and broken bones and broke their necks as they tumbled

1272
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: down the hillside some sixty feet and finally come to

1273
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: rest against the tree, a tree that was there. And

1274
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, all right. So I didn't tell anybody

1275
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: about the Native American because I figured, you know, saying

1276
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: this is interesting, I have an opportunity that I have

1277
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: perhaps some information about the house that nobody knows about it.

1278
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: It's not public. So anytime a psychic comes in the house,

1279
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: let's see what they pick up.

1280
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, not gonna.

1281
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: Tell him anything. James von Prague, Chris Fleming I forgot

1282
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: who else. Other different psychics had come through there, and

1283
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: they all said that I feel the presence of a

1284
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: Native American on horseback in this mound of earth. And

1285
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, that's a trip. Yeah. Finally, after all

1286
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: the years and all the radio shows, and I told

1287
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: different radio shows, I said, Okay, I think you know

1288
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: Zach's coming. I can tell them the story. So I

1289
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: told him what I told you. He turns around and

1290
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: makes it into on the episode David's house is built

1291
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: on Native ceremonial Native American burial grounds, and I'm like,

1292
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: the hell it is, No, it's not, And said statement

1293
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: has taken off like wildfire, where people believe that the

1294
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: house is built on a fricking graveyard, at which point

1295
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: I say, the Native Americans weren't here in this area,

1296
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: had plenty of land in the canyons where it was flat,

1297
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: where they could build a regular ceremonial burial ground. They

1298
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone out of their way to find an

1299
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: obscure hillside so that it dropped down sixty feet to

1300
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: dig a hole. Oh, we're gonna go visit the relatives

1301
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: for a ceremony. What do you mean we're gonna do

1302
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: a war dance, a ceremonial dance on a slope of it.

1303
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 2: No, yeah, So what about the whole thing about the geomagnetically.

1304
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: Right, What you're talking about is what Barry Taff had

1305
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: said fourteen years ago in two thousand and five when

1306
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: he first came to the house and did research. He said,

1307
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: the house is built on a geomagnetic anomaly. And according

1308
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: to Berry Taff, not me, he said that there's research

1309
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: that shows on the US Geological Survey that there's a

1310
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: pre there's a condition that he believes is pre volcanic,

1311
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: not pre seismic, meaning it's not an earthquake fault line.

1312
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: But he says that there's probably a large lava tube

1313
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: under the earth there and as the lava is moving

1314
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: in this lava flume or lake, that is discharging an

1315
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: electromagnetic field up through the earth. And the way that

1316
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: the architect correction, the structural engineer incorporated my father's designing

1317
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: of the house, he said, I want you to put

1318
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: in two steel eye beams to support this third floor

1319
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: and two steel eye beams to support the second floor,

1320
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: and I want them to be embedded in connected to

1321
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: steel columns that are embedded in the concrete the rebar,

1322
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean the concrete on gray beams to reinforce the

1323
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,480
Speaker 1: stability so that this house can really withstand any earthquakes.

1324
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: So he put that in there. My dad came up

1325
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: with a thirty foot spiral wrought iron staircase to go

1326
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: down the center right adjacent to where those to those

1327
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: for steel eye beams sit. As a result, what Barry

1328
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: surmised was that because the electromagnetic fields that are existing

1329
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: in the earth, they're being transferred through the steel rebar,

1330
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: through the thirteen casons that are connected to the gray

1331
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: beams that create this foundation, that are then connected to

1332
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: these six steel columns and these for steel eye beams,

1333
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: and they're becoming magnetized. He says, the house has got

1334
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: an ambient level of around two thousand milligows positive to

1335
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: two thousand milligows negative dc electromagnetic field levels. I said,

1336
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: what does that mean? He goes, well, I'll give you

1337
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: an idea. Normal is anywhere between three and five hundred

1338
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: milligaus positive. Yours is four times positive and twelve times

1339
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: reverse Blarting negative. He goes, you have basically a gigantic bipole,

1340
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: I said. He goes well. In theory, when spirits manifest,

1341
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: they register an elevated level of EMF discharge around two

1342
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: thousand milligows. And I said, what do you mean, goes well?

1343
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: When I worked on the original Entity case, the movie

1344
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: in Culver City, he goes. When we took this famous

1345
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: image with the polaroid, which is this woman there and

1346
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: there's this large arc of white light energy over her,

1347
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: he goes. And when we shot that picture, our meters

1348
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: registered two thousand milligows. He goes. In your house after

1349
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: twelve or fourteen visits here, I have measured that the

1350
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: levels always to be high minimum of this height, because

1351
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: they could be far exceeding that. But our measurements that's

1352
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: just the normal. Our meters only register to hear. I said,

1353
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: really goes. Yeah, and he goes. And my theory is this,

1354
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: he goes. When people come into the house, the spirits

1355
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: it around them, hit this environment, they can party and

1356
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: do what I want. I said, what do you mean,

1357
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: he goes. They can derive their energy off of the

1358
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: existing energy in the house.

1359
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I could talk to you for hours. Though

1360
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: you've got some good stuff about I'm happy that you

1361
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 2: cleared up a lot of things as well. Now where

1362
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,560
Speaker 2: can people find out about you? You got your YouTube channel.

1363
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com, Forward Slash, David omen O, m A N.

1364
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 2: And you also do some events at your place sometimes

1365
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 2: do some events iet this coming up of the manson,

1366
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: Are you guys going to do it?

1367
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: That's hard to say. I'm trying to actually see about

1368
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: doing a documentary on my house to straighten out the

1369
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: whole story of my experiences and get it out there

1370
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: to thears. This year is going to be interesting since

1371
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: it's the fiftieth anniversary. I have a feeling that a

1372
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: lot of the television networks are going to be calling

1373
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: me up to say, can we do a live remote

1374
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: from your house in the anniversary. It's like, yeah, I'm

1375
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: going to be pretty busy this year. I have a feeling.

1376
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: But you know, I do it really to pay homage

1377
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: to Sharon, Jay Void Check, Abigail Stephen, and Sharon's unborn

1378
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: son Paul. I don't do this to make money. Yes,

1379
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: I charge because the people who I have with me

1380
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: get paid, the psychic that's there, the medium that's there,

1381
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: the people that help the paranormal investigators, the food. When

1382
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: I do it, it's really to open it up to

1383
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: let the public see and experience a real life haunted house,

1384
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:42,520
Speaker 1: minus all the dramatic aforementioned crap that people will embellish

1385
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: and create and to experience it for themselves. That's because

1386
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I always wanted to see

1387
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: and experience a real life haunted house.

1388
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,839
Speaker 2: That's cool and that's why.

1389
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you bet your sweet bippy you will.

1390
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 2: So obviously we had to go check this place out. No,

1391
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 2: I was terrified. I'm not gonna lie. I was stressed

1392
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: about it the entire day because from what I had

1393
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: seen on television, it seemed like some dark sided stuff,

1394
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 2: and you know that I'll mess with the dark sided stuff.

1395
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 2: But he assured me, and I really truly believed him

1396
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: that there is not anything evil in the house, that

1397
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 2: these are spirits of people and they mean no harm.

1398
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy would know if anyone he lives there.

1399
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 2: He deals with this every day. So I made my

1400
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 2: way back to Clo Drive and it's it is way

1401
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 2: up there in the hills. We're talking windy roads. It's

1402
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 2: so easy to miss, and you know, you go up

1403
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: the street and it's just oh no, it's about and

1404
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm just terrified, and Land was pretty cool. Land was like,

1405
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 2: we're just gonna see what happens, you know, don't worry,

1406
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fine. So we go in. There's a

1407
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 2: couple of people in there. Immediately as soon as I

1408
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: walk in, I'm like, who okay, there is some energy here, honey.

1409
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 2: I didn't know how many people were there. So he

1410
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: does these fun little events where you pay an entrance fee.

1411
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: It's not too outrageous. The money goes to the psychic.

1412
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 2: He also makes you food. This guy, David, he's a

1413
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: great host. I mean was he knew what he was doing.

1414
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 2: He was checking in on us. He was like, you

1415
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 2: want some cheese, here's some cheese. You want some water,

1416
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: here's some water. He was great. Made us feel right

1417
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 2: at home, which is not easy to do. So, you know,

1418
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 2: you can go to one of these events as well.

1419
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: But we just so happened to be invited to one

1420
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: of these events, and we didn't realize that there was

1421
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 2: a bunch of paranormal investigators there, which was actually really

1422
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: great for us because the two of us are not

1423
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 2: ghost hunters whatsoever, So we kind of got to look

1424
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 2: in on other people's equipment and and and you know,

1425
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: they'd say, oh, I just caught something over here, and

1426
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: then we'd go run over there and then they'd say, oh,

1427
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 2: just left or whatever. So it was fun. So it's

1428
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 2: a really interesting house. It's three floors and there's a

1429
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 2: windy spiral staircase and Land and I, you know, we decide, okay,

1430
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna go on an adventure. We're gonna

1431
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 2: walk around. We're gonna see see what happens. We go

1432
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 2: to the second floor and as soon as I get

1433
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: to the second floor, I'm starting to have a hard

1434
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: time breathing. It feels like something is sitting on my chest.

1435
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: I just I couldn't breathe. And right when I was

1436
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: about to say something, Land was like, ooh, I cannot breathe.

1437
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: It is the air is thick in here. And I

1438
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, this is crazy. And I noticed that

1439
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: there was this key that was on a key ring

1440
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: with another key, so there's there's a key in the door,

1441
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 2: and then there was one kind of dangling from the

1442
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: key ring, just kind of just just dangling, and I

1443
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: looked at it because it was the only thing in

1444
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 2: the room this hallway of the of the second floor

1445
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: that it was the only thing in the room that

1446
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 2: was kind of moving. And I looked, I said, land

1447
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 2: look at that key, and it was just sort of vibrating.

1448
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: It was just sort of shaking just a little bit,

1449
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 2: and it was it was kind of odd, like why

1450
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 2: would that be moving like that? But either way, we're

1451
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 2: both like, okay, let's take note of that. I can't breathe,

1452
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 2: so we go to the next floor. So Landa and

1453
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: I go down to the bottom floor. It's pitch black.

1454
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 2: I'm terrified. I just don't want anything to touch me.

1455
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 2: And we're like, okay, I told land I'm not ready

1456
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 2: for this yet. This is just we just walked in.

1457
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: I'm not going to the pitch black. And you could

1458
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 2: see that there were people, like actual human being I

1459
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: can only assume we're human beings ghost hunting down there.

1460
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, we're going back upstairs. So we

1461
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 2: go back upstairs. David as you know, cheerful as ever,

1462
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 2: he's barbecuing and he's like, so what happened and we're

1463
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 2: just like, oh, man, I don't know. We just you know,

1464
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 2: I got a little scared. And then there's other Our

1465
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 2: normal investigator guy was like, oh, there was this spirit

1466
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 2: that was on the second floor just it went through

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01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: the hallway and we're like, yeah, oh well, we were

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Speaker 2: just there, we experienced it. So a little bit of

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Speaker 2: time goes by, talked to a couple other investigators, a

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Speaker 2: lot of people that had been there before. They had

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Speaker 2: all kinds of stories of different activity, and they sort

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Speaker 2: of seemed to know different regulars in terms of spirits.

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Speaker 2: You know, they'd say, oh, yeah, there's a dog ghost

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Speaker 2: that lives here, and there's you know, there's you know,

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Speaker 2: they were describing all because we were sharing sometimes here

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Speaker 2: JC ring and I'm like, okay, Land, I'm ready, let's

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Speaker 2: do it. So we go back down to the second

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Speaker 2: floor and all of a sudden, we could breathe. Both

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01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 2: of us could breathe. We both were like, this is crazy.

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Speaker 2: The air is completely clear and the key was not

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Speaker 2: moving anymore. Coincidence, I don't know. So then we go

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01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 2: down to the bottom floor where it's pitch black. All

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Speaker 2: the ghost hunters are and they've got their spirit boxes,

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01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 2: they've got all their devices trying to catch things, and

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Speaker 2: we meet this wonderful human named Tammy and she has

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Speaker 2: a podcast that you should check out called Hollyweird paranormal

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Speaker 2: and she's a regular. She had been there a couple

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Speaker 2: of times, and she she was sort of leading us

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Speaker 2: in uh an exercise where we would have she would

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Speaker 2: she would have everyone kind of focus, and she would

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01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 2: try to see who was who was present, and she

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01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 2: would say things like, if you're a man, knock and

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01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, we'd all go, did you

1494
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 2: hear that? Because literally a knock. So she had us,

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01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,839
Speaker 2: you know, put our palms down if we were closed

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01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 2: off to any kind of experience, and then our uh

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Speaker 2: palms up if you were open to some kind of communication.

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Speaker 2: I actually I put my palms down. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: It was dark now and could see, but I was

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Speaker 2: just like, I'm not I'm like. I was like, I

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01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 2: was still listen. Anytime I go to a house that's

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01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 2: pitch black with a bunch of strangers in the Hollywood Hills,

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01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 2: I'm already like kind of on guard. Now, that's that's

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01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 2: talking about humans in this form. So when we when

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01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: we've got spirits everywhere, I was like, it took me

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01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 2: a minute to get comfortable. So we uh, you know,

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01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: we stayed around for a little bit of that, and

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Speaker 2: there was definitely definitely some knocks. I mean, we all

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01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: heard it and it was a wall that was not

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01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: attached to another wall like it was like someone It

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Speaker 2: was a knock. Now, Unfortunately Land and I both had

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Speaker 2: plans that night, and so we could only stay for

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Speaker 2: maybe about two hours or so. But you better believe

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Speaker 2: that we are coming back.

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Speaker 2: as always, both living people and not living people. I

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Speaker 2: love you. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,

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Speaker 2: don't haunt me, okay.

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