1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day Bake your podcast, available every 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Monday, 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: the seventeenth of March in London. I'm Caroline Hepkare. 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. Donald Trump says 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: he'll talk to Russian President Vlasimir Putin tomorrow to discuss 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: ending the war in Ukraine. 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: US Treasury Secretary Scott Bestin says he's not worried about 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: market losses. 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: Plus Dei by Stealth are exclusive reporting on how diversity 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: programs around the world remain despite President Trump's reversal in 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: the United States. 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: US President Donald Trump says he will speak to Russia's 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: president Vlasimir Putin tomorrow as he seeks a deal to 16 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: end the war in Ukraine. Keeve's allies have stepped up 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: economic sanctions in recent days as the US continues to 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: push for an end to fighting in Russia's three year war. 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: European leaders are concerned Trump may concede too much on 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: Ukraine's behalf. In a direct exchange with the Russian leader, 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: Trump spoke to reporters on Air Force One. 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: I'bly speaking to President Putner Tuesday, and a lot of 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: a lot of worksmen done over the weekend. 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: I want to see if we can bring that word 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: to an end. 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 4: Maybe we can, maybe we can't, but I think we 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 4: have a murger change. 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 1: The US president added, much of the discussion with Putin 29 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: will be over land. The Russian leader has deflected efforts 30 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: to halt the fighting as Russian troops make incremental battlefield gains. 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: In that conversation with reporters, Donald Trump also doubled down 32 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: on his tariff policy, saying both broad reciprocal tariffs and 33 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: additional sector specific tariffs would be coming. On the second 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: of April. 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: The US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessen says he's not worried 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: about the fall in the US stock market. At one 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: point last week, the S and P five hundred felt 38 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: more than ten percent from its peak into correction Territory. 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: The former hedge fund manager told NBC's Meet the Press 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: that the Trump administration's economic plans would yield results over time. 41 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 5: I'm not worried about the markets over the long term. 42 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 5: If we put good text policy in place. Deregulation and 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 5: energy security. The markets will do break. 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: Bessen's comments come as investors have pointed to the US 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: administration's tariff policies as major drivers of uncertainty and risk 46 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: of moves. 47 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: The US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth says strikes on Houthy, 48 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: medicines and Yemen will be unrelenting until the group stops 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: attacking ships in the Red Sea. Donald Trump boards a 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: new wave of air strikes over the weekend, which officials 51 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: say could last weeks. Hegseth says the action sends a 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: clear message. 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 6: This campaign is about freedom of navigation and restoring deterrent. 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 5: The minute the Huthies. 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 6: Say we'll stop shooting at your ships, We'll stop shooting 56 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 6: at your drones, this campaign will end. But until then 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 6: it will be unrelenting. 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: Yes to find Secretary Peter Hagsath speaking to Fox News, 59 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: Hegsas says the latest strikes were also warning to Iran, 60 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: which backs to who these Who These have responded by 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: targeting a US aircraft carrier, and they say that operations 62 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: will continue until Israel lefts its renewed blockade of aid 63 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: going into Gaza. 64 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: Now, the latest economic data from China is showing some 65 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 2: signs of strength among consumers and manufacturers. Retail sales accelerated 66 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 2: to four percent in January and February from three point 67 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: seven percent in December, when industrial output also beat estimates. 68 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,559 Speaker 2: His reaction from Helen Chao. 69 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 4: It's not necessarily too scarily high, nor is it too 70 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 4: scarily low. And therefore, I think that is a very 71 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: nice and comfortable range that it's lying in, so that 72 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: it probably implies that further policy stimulus is still warranted. 73 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: And at the same time, it is not necessarily, you know, 74 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: two weak, so that people would worry immediate impact. 75 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: Bank of America's Helen Chow was speaking ahead of a 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: briefing by Chinese officials today on a new action plan 77 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: to boost consumption. The measures include incentives to raise the 78 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: birth rate, as well as stabilize equity and real estate markets. 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: The Vice President of the European Central Bank says US 80 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: government policy is causing more economic uncertainty than COVID. Speaking 81 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: to the Sunday Times, is to gind Us says the 82 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: Trump administration isn't very open to continuing multilateralism. To gind 83 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: Us joins other senior ECB figures who've raised concerns about volatility. 84 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Who's the Bank of Spain Governor Jose Luisa Skriva. 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: The uncertainty and the risk to the central scenario is 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: very significant. I will say this is precisely the current situation, 87 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: with the risks to the central scenario on both directions 88 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: are larger than normally. 89 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: Ascriever's warning comes as bloom briggs later survey of economists 90 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: sees the EASYB cutting interest rates twice more this year. 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 1: Economists see the benchmark rate now staying at two percent 92 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: until the end of the year, but markets are wavering. 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: They now see one or two cuts, including a possible 94 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: pause in April. The shift follows plans by European governments 95 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: to significantly boost investment in defense. 96 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: The UK government will abolish more business regulators and scale 97 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: back welfare spending in an effort to drive economic growth. 98 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: Bloemberger's leark that the Chances of Rachel Reeves will discuss 99 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: her plans to slash regulatory costs for businesses by a 100 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: quarter at a meeting with eight of the UK's main 101 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 2: regulators today. Meanwhile, on Tuesday, the Work and Pension Secretary 102 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: Liz Kendall is expected to unveil plans to cut the 103 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: welfare bill by up to six billion pounds to encourage 104 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: more people to work. That's despite Reeves dropping plans to 105 00:05:54,760 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: freeze a key disability benefit after pushback from cabinet ministers. 106 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: Is our top stories now on the markets, the S 107 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: and P five hundred EVENI futures this morning are down 108 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 2: by half of one percent, along with Now's that futures 109 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: dropping six cents to one percent. Friday though did see 110 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 2: the S and P five hundred up two percent, the 111 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: best session for equities since President Trump won election. Asian 112 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: ecties also rallying. The NKA two two five are by 113 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: one point two percent. Chinese indices for mainland shares, the 114 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: cs I three hundred currently down two tens and one 115 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: percent ahead of this press conference that we're expecting from 116 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: Chinese leadership to talk more about plans to revive consumption 117 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: in China. The prim big dollar spot indexes largely unchanged. 118 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: US treasuries are also steady. You do have aill prices 119 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: rising though amid growing red sea risks. WI cred features 120 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: up six cents and sixty seven dollars sixty and a 121 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: big week for central bank decisions, including of course, the FED, 122 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: the Bank of England, the Bank of Japan, the Rix Bank. 123 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,119 Speaker 1: In a moment, we'll bring you more on tomorrow's planned 124 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: conversation between the Russian and US presidents. Plus I look 125 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: at how many international companies are holding firm on their 126 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: varsity commitments despite backlash from the White House. But another 127 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: story that caught her eye this morning. It is Sam 128 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 1: Patrick's day. Sym Patrick, stay to you as I'm miredly 129 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: obliged as an Irish person to wish everyone that I 130 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: meet today. But we have a great piece from our 131 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: Dublin buwer chief on Bloomberg dot Com and on the 132 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: Ternal this morning, looking at how the diplomatic offensive that 133 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: Ireland goes on at this time of the year, sending 134 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: their ministers all over the world's part into Batocks Day 135 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: celebrations takes on extra significance this year. There's a number 136 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: of ministers to travel to the United States. We know 137 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: either Tichak meeting Donald Trump at the White House last week. 138 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: But this is as they're looking very nervously at the 139 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: huge amount of American companies who have big investments in Ireland. Actually, 140 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: per capita, Ireland has the massive trade relationship with the 141 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: United States as well, the biggest per capita goods export 142 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: to the US in Europe, so that is something that 143 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: they're very concerned about. There be risks to if Donald 144 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: Trump drives some of these companies, particularly in the pharmaceutical space, 145 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: to move some of those investments back to the US. 146 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: Their community, who's all over Ireland because they aren't just 147 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: based in the capital there in small towns as well, 148 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: worried about what that might mean for them. 149 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, many people think that Mihi Martin 150 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: did reasonably well, of course in that White House meeting 151 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: with President Trump. But as you say, it's the tax 152 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: hall that Ireland has managed to take from or received 153 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: from US companies that is perhaps a source of difficulty. 154 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: But then you also to think about the alcohol industry. 155 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: You know, President Trump threatening those two hundred percent tariffs 156 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: on EU alcohol products that would also hurt Irish whisky. 157 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, I must say, on a light and bright 158 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: a note, happy Saint Patrick's stay to you too. 159 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, Carolyn. Then half of my nation I accept that. Yes, 160 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: let's go back though to our top story this morning 161 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: and this planned conversation that we've been told about. Donald 162 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: Trump will speak to Latimir Putin tomorrow, he says, our 163 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: head of Middle East, North Africa and Russia coverage. Stuart 164 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: Livingston Wallace joins US Now for more on this. Stuart, 165 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: good morning. What will Donald Trump want to achieve from 166 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: this conversation with Vladimir Putin? 167 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 7: Morning? I mean, I think what you would like in 168 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 7: an ideal world is a clear and an ambiguous statement 169 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 7: from Putin that he backs this proposed thirty day cease fire, 170 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 7: and then sort of largely seems to be falling into 171 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 7: line with what the US and Ukraine and others have 172 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 7: already agreed to. Now quite whether he actually expects that 173 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 7: to take place is kind of interesting. And if you 174 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 7: look at the words or what he said on Air 175 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 7: Force one, you know this morning. For me anyway, they 176 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 7: are quite carefully worded. There's some maybes in there, and 177 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 7: there's some my things, and again, you know, we're probably 178 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 7: reading far too much into it, but it does, at 179 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 7: least on the face of it, a peer that Trump, 180 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 7: I think, is is being quite cautious about over promising 181 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 7: from this particular conversation. But you know, clearly his bullish 182 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 7: is hoping for the best. But there does seem to 183 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 7: be some hesitation there about expecting a final outcome tomorrow. 184 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: Other observers, you know, European leaders deeply skeptical. Will Vladimir 185 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: Putin be willing to engage on the issues on the 186 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: Sea spar itself? 187 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: Do? 188 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 7: We think It's very hard to tell. I mean, I 189 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 7: will say the following, which is, the Putin is obviously 190 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 7: a very seasoned negotiator and very careful about what he's 191 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 7: offered up. And what's been interesting about this particular round 192 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 7: is that, at least on the face of it, had 193 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 7: appeared like the US had sort of conceded on some 194 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 7: key points to the Russian side pretty much before the 195 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 7: negotiations had started, and slightly oddly, it felt like that 196 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 7: had rather taken the Russians back they could quite believe 197 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 7: what they were sort of hearing, and I suppose to 198 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 7: some extent we're a little bit suspicious that they were 199 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 7: sort of, you know, perhaps being fooled in some respects. 200 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 7: So I think you should anticipate more of that same 201 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 7: sort of level of caution. I mean, they have set 202 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 7: out what they say are red lines, which is, you know, 203 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 7: specifically the Ukraine. There must be a perpetual pleasure that 204 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 7: Ukraine will never join NATO, There will never be NATO 205 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 7: peace keepers on the ground that the Fura blasts that 206 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 7: they unilaterally annexed in twenty twenty two would be recognized, 207 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 7: and so on and so forth. Now, quite how many 208 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 7: of those they would be prepared to concede on or 209 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 7: find some sort of halfway house on will remains to 210 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 7: be seen. So they are keeping their cards very very 211 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 7: close to their chest. 212 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: Really, Sture's another story that you've been watching this morning 213 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: as well, has been the developments in Yemen, the US 214 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: ordering a new way of air strikes on Hooti positions 215 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: over the weekend. How significant a move is this by 216 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: the US. 217 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think it's really really interesting. I'm 218 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 7: ready for two reasons. Number one, I think the US 219 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 7: has absolutely no intention of putting boots on the ground 220 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 7: in Yemen, and I think without that it's going to 221 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 7: be virtually impossible to dislodge the Hooties. So to me, 222 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 7: at least, it looks more like a signal to Iran, 223 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 7: because again, the Hooties, you know, while while you know, 224 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 7: quite a well organized miliciant slash terrorist force, nonetheless a 225 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 7: dependent on Iran for their advanced military equipment for intel 226 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 7: that comes from these ships floating off off Yemen, and 227 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 7: so that to me looks like the US signing to 228 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 7: on as we've seen over the last several weeks, that 229 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 7: they need to dare things back. And it is an 230 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 7: interesting change there of stance because Iran, it appeared, had 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 7: told most of its proxies just to keep their heads 232 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 7: down when Trump came into office, that appeared to take place. 233 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 7: Now what's interesting is can they keep who's on a 234 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 7: leash or the who he's now going to be operating 235 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 7: independently in which at which point you know, Iran has 236 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 7: a real problem on its hands. 237 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 2: Stump, thank you so much for being with us this morning. 238 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: Our head of Middle East, North Africa and Russia coverage, 239 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: Suet Livingston Wallis, thank you. 240 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's dismantling of diversity, equity and inclusion in the 241 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: United States is making waves at companies in Europe, Asia 242 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: and beyond. The companies outside the US of their own 243 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: domestic diversity goals and regulations which are non negotiable. Joining 244 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: us now with our latest reporting on this subject is 245 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: our EMEA Equality editor siahs Daddy Sarah's good morning, how 246 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: is the DEI rollback in the US affecting companies. Then 247 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: outside of the US here in Europe, good morning how. 248 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 8: Being spoken to companies EI professionals and lawyers who work 249 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 8: in the field, The general consensus is that the biggest 250 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 8: impact is being felt on large multinationals that have got 251 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 8: a presence in the US. So companies that have a 252 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 8: federal contract, for example, are particularly impacted because they're targeted 253 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 8: by Donald Trump's executive orders, specifically on what he called 254 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 8: legal deo. So what we're hearing is that companies are 255 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 8: making big changes there, whether that's broadly removing workforce representation 256 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 8: targets or minor tweaks on their websites. But for more 257 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 8: our conversation, companies for the most part are really just 258 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 8: making these bigger changes in the US, and then elsewhere 259 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 8: they're trying to stick to the goals that they had, 260 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 8: or the very least, they are not making any changes 261 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 8: to their initiatives. 262 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: Because in a lot of Western countries, regulations also tend 263 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: to focus on women rather than on ethnic diversity in itself. 264 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: But a lot of countries have embedded equality and diversity 265 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: in terms of regulation, so there are those sort of 266 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: conflicting Lake three signals here. 267 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 8: Surely exactly right. So France is a good example. They 268 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 8: introduce gender quotas for the boards as early as twenty 269 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 8: eleven and now companies have a mandate mandatory quota for 270 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 8: women to make up forty percent of boards by twenty 271 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 8: twenty nine. Then you have places like the UK and 272 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 8: Australia where companies have to go through employee and compensation 273 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 8: data to publish gender pay gaps. The UK government and 274 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 8: indicated to that they're going to extend this reporting to 275 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 8: including an ethnicity and disability pay gap element too. So 276 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 8: what we're finding is that companies have now been saddled 277 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 8: with compliance and regulation and lots of places, and much 278 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 8: of that is being placed with de iteams. So one 279 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 8: and another big concern for companies is that in the 280 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 8: EU is that there's a pay transparency directive that can 281 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 8: affect many companies from next summer and if there are 282 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 8: large pay gaps in the same roles, firms from next 283 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 8: summer will have to publish an action plan on how 284 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 8: they plan to tackle it. So you know, there are 285 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 8: lots of things going on and there are definitely divergences 286 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 8: in how companies are going to have to operate. 287 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 288 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 289 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 290 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 291 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 292 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 293 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 294 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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