1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Kaboom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: rich pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearing house of 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: hot takes, break free for something special. The Fifth Hour 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: with Ben Maller starts right now in the air everywhere. 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: Back at it on a new weekend of the Fifth 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Hour with Ben Maller and Danny g Radio. Because four 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: hours a night on the overnight or not enough eight 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: days a week. Tell a friend, Tell a friend, Tell 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: a friend. From the Mallard podcast Studio, the podcast Dojo 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: deep in the North Woods, we thank you for finding 14 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: the podcast and subscribe me. Now it's still football season. 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: There's no game this weekend. They've got that Gayzy Pro Bowl. 16 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: But for our purposes, we we don't have Benny Versus 17 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: the Penny. We're not gonna do Benny Versus the Penny 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl edition. That's not happening. So Benny Versus 19 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: the Penny will return for the final time this football 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: season on the podcast next weekend. We've got some big 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: things planned, Fingers crossed. I don't know what's actually gonna happen, 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: what's not gonna happen. As far as the Super Bowl programming, 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: there have been some rumors that I might make an 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: appearance in Arizona. That has not been confirmed as of 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: right now. I have some family in the greater Phoenix area. 26 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: I might drive in and record some special editions of 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: the Fifth Hour podcast, but we'll worry about that in 28 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: a future edition of the podcast. Now, chances are that 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 1: you're listening to this right now. You enjoy audio content, 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: so God bless you. And if you listen to the 31 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: overnight radio show, you're like radio, and you're likely like 32 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: sports radio. And I love the chance today to talk 33 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: to a legend in the business. Now. I've never lived 34 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. I've visited Philadelphia over the years, but I've 35 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: never been a local resident. But I am aware, being 36 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: in radio of the magical audio powers that our friend 37 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: who's gonna hang out with us today has his name 38 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: is Angelo Cataldi. Enough you not spend any time in Philadelphia, 39 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: you might not know who that is, but he is 40 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: a legendary figure on the radio dial in Philadelphia. He 41 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: has been the morning guy at the number one sports 42 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: station in Philly w i P going back for over 43 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: thirty years. In fact, I believe he's over thirty three 44 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: years now at the Mike and Angelo is retiring. Was 45 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: actually going to retire back at the end of so 46 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: like a month ago. I know we're in February now, 47 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: but at the end of last year he was going 48 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: to retire. But he said, listen, the Eagles have a 49 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: pretty good team, and he made a deal where since 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: he's a legend, they allowed him to do this. They 51 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: don't normally allow this in radio, but he said he 52 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: will continue to do his morning show, which does very well, 53 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: as long as the Eagles are in the playoffs. Playoffs. Well, 54 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: they're in the super Bowl, Hello, super Bowl fifty seven 55 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: next weekend against Kansas City. As we all know, we 56 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen in that game, but 57 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: we do know that when that game ends, win or lose, 58 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: that Angelo Cataldi will be leaving the radio dial in Philly. 59 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: And he's worked with Tony Bruno. We're gonna get into 60 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: that at some point. Also been part of what I 61 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: think are two of the greatest radio promotions ever done. 62 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: I am so jealous that he was able to do 63 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: this back in the olden days, the infamous Donovan McNabb heckle. 64 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: If you're old enough to remember when the Eagles drafted 65 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Donovan McNabb back in the day, I gotta get into this. 66 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: At some point, Angelo sent a group of listeners, some 67 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: crazy guys to the NFL's draft up in New York 68 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: and booed the heck out of Donovan McNabb. It has 69 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: been many years. McNabb played his entire career, retired from 70 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: the NFL, and this story still has legs. It's one 71 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: of the legendary tales of the NFL draft over the year. 72 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: So we'll get into that as well, but we need 73 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: to start right now. When you talk to a guy 74 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: like Angelo Cataldi, you gotta talk about his current situation, 75 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: and he's watching these ego games throughout the playoffs and 76 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: he's got some skin in the game. So Angelo, welcome 77 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: to the podcast. First of all, it's great to have 78 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: you on. I am excited to chat with you. What 79 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: has it been like for you to watch these games 80 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: knowing that you've got some, as I said, some skin 81 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: in the game. And if the Eagles did not beat 82 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: the Giants or stumbled against the forty niners. That's it, 83 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: You're done. What's that been like for you? Yeah, Ben, 84 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: I don't think it's anything the Eagles really wanted. I 85 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: was no motivating factor and they run here. Believe me, 86 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: we have. Over thirty three years at Philadelphia Morning Radio, 87 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: I have made many enemies in the Eagles or the Days. 88 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: But it's a heck of a run, and you know, 89 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: and I decided that's where I wanted to go. I 90 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: figured that way, maybe if the Eagles went on a run, 91 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: I could kind of slip out the back door without 92 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: anybody noticing. And that's stilled the plan, although they've kind 93 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: of noticed. But the plan is if they win, which 94 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: would be awesome, I'm leaving that. Say, they have the parade, 95 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: so they'll be all thinking about the parade and all 96 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: the great speeches, and then I'll flip out the thought 97 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: people will forget I was over there. Well, no, they won't. 98 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: But but normally I've been in the business a few years, 99 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: but you've got some years on me. But normally in 100 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: radio you don't get a final show. This is unusual, right, 101 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen it. I'm sure you've seen it. 102 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: More than I have. The unceremonial departure. You know, guys 103 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: been at the station for years and they get rid 104 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: of him. What's this been like for you? Yeah? It's weird, 105 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: right because I'm like a control freak and I plan 106 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: a shop and then like halfway through we stall. Last 107 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: three or four weeks, nobody of call and stop crying 108 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: and off you meant so much for my life and 109 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: all this, which is awesome. I mean, who ever thought 110 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: you don't really say to them, I go, I'm so 111 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: happy that you know, I still could have had this 112 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: kind of impact. But me and my co wrote we 113 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: did it just for the money, right, We just if 114 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: they stopped having us, we weren't going to come in. 115 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: We're got doing it because it was a job. They're 116 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: paid well and all these other accolades that came out 117 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: of it. You don't know until you're leaving this many 118 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: people would want to come forward and tell you, you 119 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: know how much you meant to them. And I didn't 120 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: really have an inkling of it. I just knew that 121 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: I came out every every day and I did the 122 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: michell I could do, and the most taconate sports city 123 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: in America. It was a great job for me. And 124 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: if they helped other people along the way, God bless them. 125 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled that it happen. Yeah, so I did some 126 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: work in Boston a little bit. I know you're from 127 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Rhode Island, Angelo, but Philadelphia is insane. I mean, it's 128 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: it's its own animal there, and you've been talking to 129 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: these people every morning for all these years. What what 130 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: is it that's different? I know you worked in a 131 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: bunch of cities, but what is it about the Philadelphia especially? 132 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: I think the Eagle fans more than the Sixers in 133 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: the in the in the Phillies. But what is it 134 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: about their their outlook as fans that that causes this? 135 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's much different than almost anywhere else 136 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: in America. Then you're right on the exact point of 137 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: my time in Philadelphia. I was in Rhode Island. I 138 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: didn't like it there because I felt there was a 139 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: ton of hero worship going on. Larry Bird walked on water. 140 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: That was the holier. I covered the Celtics when I 141 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: was a writer at the Providence Journal, and I never 142 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: felt I was a good fit there because I'm really negative. 143 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: I like to criticize. I like to hold people to 144 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: a very high standard, probably an unattainable standard. And then 145 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: when the Inquirer, Philadelphi Inquirer came to me and offered 146 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: me a job, my first reaction was, Oh my god, 147 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: I think this is the perfect fit for my personality. 148 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: But I did seven years there, and then the radio 149 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: thing came along, and almost from day one I worked 150 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: with Tom Brookshare, maybe the most optimistic man you would 151 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: ever meet in sport, and I was there to counterbalance 152 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: all of his happy talk and it connected, you know, 153 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: And and all these years later, the Eagles just made 154 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: it the Super Bowl. We're still ripping the defensive coordinator 155 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: pretty much every day. That I just I like the 156 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: mentality in Philadelphia is probably as extreme it could be 157 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:25,239 Speaker 1: constantly under all conditions, old figures than our town accountable. 158 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I love it too. In fact, 159 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: just to sum that up, and I think we'll play 160 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: the clip here on the podcast. But Nick Sirianni, a 161 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, I'm sure you obviously talked about 162 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: this a bunch of your show, But for those that 163 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: didn't hear it, the Eago coach after a playoff game 164 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: called you out Angelo by name. I'm sure that's probably 165 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: happened a lot over the years, but what did you think? 166 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: What was your reaction? He just won a playoff game 167 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: and your name was in his head. He was thinking 168 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: about you that I don't have to tell you that 169 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: when they're mentioning your name, end up pronouncing it correctly. 170 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: This is good for the show with Nick is saying, 171 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: and I have I have a pretty good relationship with 172 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: it becomes out of go utter every game and talks 173 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: about the game. But what Nick was saying is that 174 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: are what we thought was important, which really and the 175 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: big picture isn't. So I'm going wrong for all these years, 176 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: this may be the first time a coach went out 177 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: of his way to say that I was. You know 178 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: from my face that I was wrong, and he might 179 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: be right. I just don't It comes down a style. 180 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: I've been ripping the defensive coordinator because I think he's 181 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: too passed it. I like the real aggressive blitzing style. 182 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: Did hold the last two opponents in the playoffs to 183 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: seven points each game. So it's harder for me to 184 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to tell you is Nick was probably 185 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: right then, But I mean I'm just reacting the way 186 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: I was trained to long before I even got to 187 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: fill it. I just always look at things from the 188 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: negative perspective, and it taught me thirty three years here, 189 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: so it couldn't have been the wrong approach. Yeah, and 190 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: and I lean that way to Angelo, you know, late 191 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: at night on on our show. But it feels like 192 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: the business is changing. Uh. And maybe I'm wrong on that. 193 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're obviously been in Philly all this time. 194 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: But I get the sense a lot of the national 195 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: guys that I deal with, and even a lot of 196 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: cities that I people I know around the country, that 197 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: critical sports talk is going away. There's a lot of cheerleading. 198 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people carrying the water for teams. 199 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: So do you agree with that or you disagree with that? One? 200 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: Agree with it? Ben? Uh? You know it's not the 201 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: reason I'm getting out. I'm getting out because I'm somebody 202 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: one years old. But I don't think I would sit 203 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: much longer. Even in Philly. We're still behind the curve 204 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: on becoming more positive sports talkers. We're still behind the 205 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: curve on it. Not just is it it's so simple, 206 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: more fun when I'm ripping something and I can be 207 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: completely honest, more fun and if they react to it 208 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: sooked the media or out where it's even more fun. 209 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: Then you developed a little bit of a few. To me, 210 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: that's entertainment what we do. It's not journalism, it's entertainment. 211 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: And if we can have them back and forth, to me, 212 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: that's fun for the LITMA. And that's the way I've 213 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: always done the show. I think if last months logo 214 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: would be much harder to do that. Yeah, I get 215 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: that sense. I I blame Angelo the team websites that 216 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: they took over a lot of the media coverage and 217 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys tweeted out a negative thing about Dark 218 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: Prescott and you would have thought that it was a 219 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: war crime the way it got covered right, and it's 220 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: it's insane. And when you were at the New York Post, 221 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: what was it? What was it like when you're in 222 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: New York back in the back in the day, criticizing guys. 223 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: So I came to Philadelphia. I would never plum this here, 224 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: but I did a lot of analysis pieces and don't 225 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: play great. They loved it. Puddy Ryan, I covered the 226 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: Eagles what Puddy Roy was a coach and I just 227 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: pounded at him. Then I read every chance I could get, 228 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: I caught him. But um, it's not the same. Now. 229 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: I've been the most brocal cript in the whole country 230 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: of the Andy Reid. He didn't like what he is 231 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: a coach here. I would like the one bit since 232 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: Elian and we just did a Paul yesterday. Do you 233 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: like Andy Reid in percent of Philadelphia fans that they do? What? 234 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: That's I've been saying. It's not convinced that anybody I'm right, 235 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: but it's still fun to me. You know, Andy Reid 236 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: gets to the super Bowl, gets the Eagles, and some 237 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: of the people are going, wow, well he's gonna have 238 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: a chance here to go out with read lose it. 239 00:13:54,280 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but where if he wins? Exactly? Doing the 240 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: morning show all these years and I do the overnight, 241 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: so I'm a night person. I'm wired more at night, 242 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: and to me, I've done mornings. At one point I 243 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: did a brief run where I was up early in 244 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: the morning doing a morning shift, and I I hated it. Angelo, 245 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: I am not a morning person. And I know you're 246 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: very regimented with your routine and how you schedule things 247 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: and all that. How have you been able to pull 248 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: it off for three decades. That's an insane run. Here, 249 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, it's a massive decrefice, at least 250 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: the way I have done it. But I didn't know 251 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: how to do it any other way. And I get 252 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: up at two thirty in the morning. I don't watch 253 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: most of the night sports events live. I watched them 254 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: when I get off, and um, I mean I developed 255 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: a system for that. But I found that I couldn't 256 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: nap well, I couldn't do that. So I'm going to 257 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: bed at six, go to sleep about six thirty, a 258 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: read for a little while, get up at two thirty, 259 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: and then prepare the show, and then go in and 260 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: do it. And at ten o'clock I'm pretty much done. 261 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean, especially at this say, it's an awful lifestyle. 262 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: It's a it's a major sacrifice, and do you know 263 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: how to do it any other way? Unfortunately, I really 264 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: don't have much of a life, so it made it 265 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: easier for me to I wasn't sacrificing that much. I 266 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: watched a lot of TV. I got a wonderful wife, 267 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: I got great grandkids, and I definitely see them a lot. 268 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: I guess I'll get to seem a lot more. But um, 269 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: we felt like that was the job description. I how 270 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: to do it. And now that you're you're gonna be retired, 271 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: So are you gonna stay up late at night? Now 272 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna change your schedule. You have to change your schedule. 273 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: I would think a little bit anyway, So have you 274 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: thought about that? Yeah, listen to your show. Time I 275 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: go to bed. Maybe I'll go to bed around the 276 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: time I got up, maybe about two or three. Who 277 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: is the sportswriter though, So that wasn't my schedule. I 278 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: used to go to bed around two or three in 279 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: the morning. Recovered a night sports event. I don't even 280 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: know how long it's going to take. Uh, you know, 281 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: reconfigure my brain so that I could stay up later, 282 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: because even on weekends, if I make it the ten o'clock, 283 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: that's that's an achievement. It's hard. It's hard about that. 284 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: That may be the thing I'm looking for most. I'm 285 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: going to go on a normal people time. Yeah, the 286 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: normal schedule. I didn't want to ask you this. If 287 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: you've been in the business for a long time. I 288 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: wanted to pick your brain, like what do you and 289 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: you mentioned this kind of earlier. You you kind of 290 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: referenced it a few minutes ago, like what what stands out? What? 291 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: Why has your show been successful? What makes a good 292 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: show to you? That is the secret sauce that has 293 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: been the key for you. It's not complicated. Do not 294 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: worry about whether the owner or White Trip show, the 295 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: owner of this sports franchise, or the general manager or 296 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: the manager or the coach, any of the players, doesn't 297 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: mean the damn thing what they think of your show. 298 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: Do your show for the customers, for the listeners, and 299 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: for the course, bind with them and next with them. 300 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: Give them what they want, which is strong opinions in 301 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: an entertaining way. If you could do them, you got it. 302 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: That's the whole formulas not that complicated. Then just worry 303 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: about who's listening, as long as it's not associated directly 304 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: with the team. What the team thinks doesn't mean a 305 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: damn And how well you're doing in radio and the 306 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: other thing we learned Angelo a couple of years ago 307 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: during COVID and I was blown away by this. We 308 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: had more people listening to our our show, um with 309 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: no sports going on, and it was it was I 310 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: thought we were going to go out of business. When 311 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: they shut sports down, I was like, well, that's it, 312 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: do a sports radio show. But I think we we learned. 313 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people learned right that people 314 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily tended the sports are important, but they 315 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: still tune in. They're still listening to hear what you 316 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: have to say. Yeah, we kept a good audience, but 317 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: I didn't like it because the one thing the reason 318 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: I went into sports radio so I wouldn't have to 319 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: deal with real issues, real stuff life and that thing. 320 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: And we couldn't avoid getting political because cause were cooled 321 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: in and they'd say I'm not getting the vaccine. I'm 322 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: getting the vaccine. But only really had almost like a 323 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: tug of war over the president and all this stuff. 324 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: And I did not default. You. I couldn't go to 325 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: sports because there was no sports. And that period, like 326 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: the first two to three months before sports started to 327 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: seek back in, that was the hardest time in my 328 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: time here because I just yeah, we could do it. 329 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: We had an audience, but it wasn't it wasn't fun, 330 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: It wasn't what I wanted to do. It was it 331 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: wasn't a career I chose. So I was re relev 332 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: when things started to come back. Yeah, that part of 333 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: it is because no matter what you say when you 334 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: go down a politic, especially the last couple of years, 335 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: when you talk about anything political, you immediately half half 336 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: the people that think you are heathen. No matter what, 337 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: they think, you're on the wrong team and they want 338 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: to attack you. It's it's a brutal thing. It's it 339 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: hasn't always been like that, hasn't angelo When you were 340 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: a young guy guest starting out, it wasn't like that. Right, 341 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: It's gotten worse, hasn't it. No, it's much worth now, right. 342 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. When they would then say to me, 343 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about, I would say 344 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: to them, absolutely, you're right, I don't. I don't know 345 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: anything about I don't know anything about vaccine. I fell 346 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: on the store pretty much every day because I didn't know, 347 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: always reacting the way somebody would be reacting there was 348 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: in any line of work during the pandemic. But what 349 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: I stow off because I also take emails. I gave 350 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: out my email addressed every day and I get a 351 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: lot of emails, and they were big. You need to 352 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: learn how to block people. I didn't block like until 353 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: like two either I didn't block anybody, and I got 354 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: to learn how to do it because these people were 355 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: making you know, you know, even in the worst circumstanses 356 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: in fourth nobody gets that up that this is. I 357 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: can't compare to anything because I wasn't doing political talk 358 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: until the pandemic. But it may be more than ever 359 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: to be that they didn't choose that line of work. Yeah, so, 360 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: I I didn't want to bring up since we have 361 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: you on here, Angela, we have a mutual friend, uh 362 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: doing the Overnight show. I've been at Fox Sports Radio 363 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: since it started twenty some years ago. And Tony Bruno, 364 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: who I know, you know you worked with him for years. 365 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: I love Tony. I used to listen to Tony when 366 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: I was, you know, kind of getting my way up 367 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: in the business, working my way up in the business, 368 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: and I I'm a big fan of his work. I 369 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: I know you worked together for a long time. You 370 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: know him very well. You got any good Tony Bruno 371 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: stories you can share with us? Uh, Tony, Tony was 372 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: unbelievable all right. First of all, the reason he joined 373 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: our show, which happened very shortly up to Tom Brookshire 374 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: retired was because management a w I P felt we 375 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: better get somebody in there who actually knows how to 376 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: do radio. Then I was not really a radio guy 377 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: with no radio background. I would work with Rookie, so 378 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: I learned a little bit about it, but I wasn't 379 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: ready to just be the main host. And Tony came 380 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: in he was I'm telling you, Ben, there was a 381 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: sequence around the second year. It was only a couple 382 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: of years where he was late more days than he 383 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: was on time, which is absolutely incredible in morning radio. 384 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: If you're not there at six o'clock in morning radio, 385 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: you may as well not show up. You gotta be 386 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: there that that's when all the prep happens before the show. 387 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: That he would come in, but he had such a 388 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: big personality that he was so quirky. Well you and 389 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: you loved you know what you want to do up 390 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: to leave the studio and do stuff out on the 391 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: streets and we had no storm wonder and don't eat that. 392 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: Tony had a real hard time. He lived in a 393 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: real snow area, lower Gwynett, which is outside of the 394 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: state of Philadelphia, and he said, listen, I'm not gonna 395 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: be able to get in today. Um, but I want 396 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: to contribute to the job people who in my area 397 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: if they need to get struggled out, and then the 398 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: whole he's reporting from people's driveways, troubling them out and 399 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: having the time of his life. That is that he's 400 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: one of the quirkiest guys I ever met, one of 401 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: the best professionals I ever met. And when he left 402 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the two dies everywhere, he ended 403 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: up at the ESPN Radio Um. When he left, it 404 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: was one of the more devastating moments in my career 405 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: because you don't replace Tony Bruno. It's too big a personality, 406 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: too much fun to work with. But we all and 407 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: I Immorgany and I my co host. We learned so 408 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: much in the years we worked with Tony. Yeah, Tony 409 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: was great. I was on the air after he was 410 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: out here doing in l A doing the show after 411 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: the Lakers had won a championship and a we were 412 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: broadcasting on the street Angelo and a riot broke out. 413 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: This is back in the Kobe Shack days, and there 414 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: was a massive fire right in the middle of the 415 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: street and Tony Bruney, we were all freaking out. You know, 416 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: we had never seen anything like this and Tony, you know, 417 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: I guess he'd been in a write or two back 418 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: in the day, and he he was like totally calm, 419 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: and he was like, you, I didn't think anything of it. 420 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: And people are dancing around to a bonfire in the 421 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: middle of the street, and Tony just handled it like 422 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: a pros pro. I did also, And since we have 423 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: you on also, I wanted to bring up what I 424 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: think is the greatest radio promotion. I don't think you 425 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: guys do it anymore, but the Wing Bowl, which was 426 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: your show, right you were the show that I mean. 427 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: This is being a fan of sports radio. This this 428 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: thing took a life of its own. You guys, didn't 429 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: you fill the arena? The Sixers playing with this thing? 430 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: This thing became massive. How did that all begin? It 431 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: all began almost said on We with the Eagles were 432 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: not going anyway year the year, so early in our tenure, 433 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm Organy came up with the idea that we should 434 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: have a chicken wing eating contest because Buffalo was in it. 435 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: Of you, this was a sequence where they lost fourth 436 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: grade super Bowl. So we said, well, what's then, I'm 437 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: when food is chicken wings? So we had we used 438 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: to have a remote broadcast on Fridays at the window 439 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: Franco Plaza Hotel writing the lobby. So we decided to 440 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: have this little eating contest with We gave away a 441 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: dusty old harbachi that was in the back of the prize, 442 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: not closet um. They were like six contestants and it 443 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, kind of resonate. We got a 444 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: pretty good crowd. Not at the hotel wanted a chicken 445 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: wing eating contest lobby, but we got a good crap. 446 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: The next year we put in a sports bar. We 447 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: got a thousand people to see people eat chicken wings. 448 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: It's seven o'clock in the morning. Then a couple of 449 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: years later we went to a nightclub. Then we went 450 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: to an actual rock venue, and then we went to 451 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: the spectrum. The mayor back then, Edarndell, said, we get 452 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: a couple of available dates for the city of a year, 453 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: I'll give you the spect We're going to fill a spectrum. 454 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: The first year we wrote half of it all. We 455 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: had to spill over crop. By the twelfth year of 456 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: the twenty six year tenure, we were we were selling 457 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: out every seat twenty thousand in the Wealth Father Center 458 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: and we did for the next fourteen years right to 459 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: the last year. We had to end it because it 460 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: became more and more politically incorrect. We had scantily clad 461 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: women counting the chicken wings and and then we had 462 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: a gentleman's clubs started to um, they started to sponsor 463 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: eaters that were in it. We had thirty eaters, We 464 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: had big processions coming into the arena. Uh. It was 465 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: a four hour extravaganza. And uh we started to get 466 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: a real bad pushback for some of the politically incorrect 467 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: stuff we were doing. So it it finally it kind 468 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: of gassed its final breath about four years ago. Well, 469 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: you're right, man, in terms of getting publicity and stuff 470 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: like that. We were getting world publicity for a number 471 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: of years for those wing boasts that we did, and 472 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: it was another it's another example of a filing event. 473 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that that would work in most other cities. Yeah, 474 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Angel, I mean I didn't. I've 475 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: been to Philly a few times, I've never I haven't 476 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: lived there, and I knew about this thing, and I 477 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: would it would be on the news. They out of 478 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: here that showed the highlights on the nightly news. Back 479 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: when that mattered and now on the internet even and 480 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: I know it's been gone for a while, but the 481 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: clips were all on the internet. You guys had it 482 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: was like a boxing match. These guys would come in 483 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: and they'd have like big entourages. It was. It was wild, 484 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: wild and crazy. Now speaking of promotion, that was the 485 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: stelling point was to take some average people and give 486 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: them their fifteen minutes, you know, to make them the 487 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: heroes of the day. It was always called just two 488 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: days before the Super Bowl because the Eagle never went 489 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: to it. You know, when they finally wanted in seventeen, 490 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: we said, this is the perfect dex. Let's get out 491 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: and that's going gonna You've done some other zany things 492 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: being a morning guy, Angelo, And I gotta ask you 493 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: about the the draft, where I think Donovan McNabb still 494 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: hates you. Right, you you sent you were you did 495 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: you go to the draft and you sent listeners to 496 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: the draft, the NFL Draft, and you wanted was it went? 497 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: You went? You were part? So you wanted Ricky Williams. 498 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: Am I getting that part right? You guys were painting 499 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: for Ricky Williams. How did that go down? Yeah? This 500 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: was that a b life on my resident. But I 501 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: mean the story was that the mayor Ed Randell called 502 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: up that he said, I really would like the Eagles 503 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: to uh to draft Ricky Willie him had a second 504 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: pick of the draft, and I would like you guys 505 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: to campaign. He said this right on the air. Wow, 506 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: you gonna say no to the mayor, permous to may 507 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: or whatever you need. So we hired a box and 508 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: we decided to bring the thirty most bizarre off the 509 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: charts Philadelphia sports pads we could fund, and we did. 510 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: We got we called them the dirty thirty right, and 511 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: and they all got on the bus. In fact, what 512 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: ended up happened was we only had twenty nine and 513 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: there was a homeless guy on the corner when we 514 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: said to him, because if you get on the bus, 515 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: you can have all the eat and drink you want. 516 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: We're driving to New York comparitor. We're probably gonna be 517 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: at the draft for an hour or two, but just 518 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: take the ridot us. And he was our thirtieth guy. 519 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: And that guy Grant an eight, he was a king 520 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: that that. So we went up there. We went up there, 521 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: We got into the felt form. It was done in 522 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: the front form back then, and we had the mayor 523 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: and even arranged to get us dirty tickets so we 524 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: could get into the draft. This is when it was 525 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: just starting to become a real fan event, and we 526 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: were stupid. Man. We thought, we really thought they were 527 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: going to draft Ricky Williams, and no one had ever 528 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: considered a plan B. So when pull Tigery the commission 529 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: comes down, he says, was the second pick of the 530 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: draftgo select Outoman McNabb. We were so disappointed. In the moment, 531 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: we uh a boo grouped like none ever heard. It's 532 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: still if people could see it on YouTube, it was instant, 533 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: how loud that boo was mcnabs coming out, and and 534 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: that the boo and he's like he can't believe it, 535 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: but this is his dream come true and the fans 536 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: are doing the crop and it was just an unfortunate 537 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: turn of events. But what it ultimately exposed was how 538 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: sensitive McNabb was and how he never his sensitivity, even 539 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: though he had a great career. Its sensitivity of Philadelphia. 540 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: It hurt his popularity and and us. We survived the situation, 541 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: and most people from that day on have called off 542 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: idiots for that and justifiably. What was the bus ride 543 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: back to Philly? What was that like when they drafted mcnifa. 544 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: What happened was that was unfortunate too, because they were 545 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: by then the boys were very very drump and and 546 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: you can't understand, man, these guys were not in great shape. 547 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: These were not like physical stats of it. And there 548 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: was one really fat guy in there named dough Boy, right, 549 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: he was the guy who actually competed in wingball. But 550 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, we pull off at a light next 551 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: to a bus of senior citizens. So they all thought, 552 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: how much fun would this be if we moaned these 553 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,239 Speaker 1: old timers. So this guy with a huge rear ant right, 554 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: pulled his pants down and sticks it up against the 555 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: bus window and the emergency but he precked it too 556 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: hot and the glass breaks. I don't hopefully all the 557 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: people and the senior citizens but survived. We drove hast 558 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: the way back with with the wind. It was early, 559 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: it was cold, and they were all believe me, then 560 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: by the time they got back, many of them did 561 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: not even recall that they ever went to the event. Now, 562 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: the better question, Angelos, and when you when you went 563 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: to management and said we had a small problem on 564 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: the bus. But how did they handle that? I'm sure 565 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: don't no problem, will take care of it or did 566 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: heads roll in? Jeez? Well, we had a program director 567 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: back to have Tom Bigbie. He loved anything that got 568 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: us attention, negative or positive, so he embraced it. He 569 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: thought it was great. In fact, we even considered doing 570 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: it the following year, but we were banned for life 571 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: from um from the draft. The only time we avoid 572 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: it is when they had it in Philadelphia a few 573 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: years ago. No, they we have being for life. We 574 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: can never go back to the trap. That is what 575 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: a way to to leave the NFL Draft behind though, 576 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: that is uh, exactly what you gotta do, all right. 577 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: I know we don't have a lot of time left, 578 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: but I wanted to We should probably get out of that. 579 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: But I did want to ask you as you retire 580 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: from radio after the Super Bowl, Angelo, what do you think? 581 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: What do you think's gonna happen to sports radio? We 582 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: you think it's gonna happen in the business. It's changed 583 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: a lot with podcasting. Everyone's got a podcast now. We 584 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: talked about the negativity kind of leaving sports radio, So 585 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: what do you think happens ten twenty years from now 586 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: to the business well in Philadelphia, which is really all 587 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: I really know. But it will always exist because it's 588 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: the best place to alive to to react in the 589 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: moment to what just happened in sports, and people love that. 590 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: And uh in our city, if you handed down from 591 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: generation to generation the love of the Eagles especially, but 592 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: all the all the sports team in our city, UM, 593 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: it will probably be It will definitely be less loud, 594 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: it will be quieter, it will be less plamboyant because 595 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: the world has changed now and it's harder to pull 596 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: up this stuff so he used to do, and it 597 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 1: will be Um. I think what you said before probably 598 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: a little less negative what they got the you got 599 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: on these podcasts now that they are going to be 600 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: competition because if you want, if you have a niche 601 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: interest in a niche interests, you could go and listen 602 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: to the podcast with people on it that you really 603 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: admire entertaining them. It'll change, but it will not go away. 604 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: There's a lot of other stuff that will go way 605 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: because the world is changing. But I think sports talk 606 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: will always be around because it's a way for you 607 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: to react live to something you all sort of like 608 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: if you're in a ball watching a game, you react 609 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: in the movement. Sports radio will always be able to 610 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: provide that opportunity, and I think that's why it will 611 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: always be there. Well, Angelo, much respect, a great career, 612 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: and you've still got some time left before the super 613 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: Bowl and then after it. So thank you for coming 614 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 1: on and good luck and retirement. And it was a pleasure. 615 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Thanks