1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Abby and Libby, two names 2 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: I have not forgotten. Abigail Abby Williams, Liberty Libby German. 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: People often refer to the Delphi murders generically, but we're 4 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: talking about two little girls, ages thirteen and fourteen, that 5 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: lost their lives at the Delphi Bridge. Their case is 6 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: still not solved. This Valentine's Day, five years ago, their 7 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: bodies were found. All these two little girls did was 8 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: gopher a walk. Their families dropped them off. How could 9 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: everything go so wrong in the last hours. A bombshell 10 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: interview with one guy who allegedly was communicating with the 11 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: two little girls, or at least one of them, pretending 12 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: to be someone their age. This guy confesses that he 13 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: routinely communicated with underaged girls I'm talking thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, 14 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: to try to get their addresses, to try to meet 15 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: up with them, to try to get them to send 16 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: him naked photos or semi clothed photos. Yeah, he's a perv. 17 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: Is he a killer? Was he actually communicating with Libby 18 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: the day she's killed? That's pretty damning evidence. I Nancy Grace, 19 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 20 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in series one eleven, The lawyer 21 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: for twenty seven year old Keegan Kleine insists his client 22 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the two murders, but is 23 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: there ever a coincidence a criminal law? First of all, 24 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to a bombshell interview, 25 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: a portion from wt h R. This is him, Keegan 26 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: Klein talking from behind bars. Listen. Kline is still in 27 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: the Miami County jail on those unrelated charges, and now 28 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: he's talking on camera for the first time acknowledging the 29 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: Delphi investigation in a jailhouse interview with CNN. Why do 30 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: you think investigators are putting so much focus on you 31 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: right now? I have not a clue because they I 32 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: think it's because they said I was the last person 33 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: to talk to her, is what they've told me. And 34 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: then Klein says investigators haven't threatened any charges against him 35 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: for Abby and Libby's murders. And while he's admitted to cheating, 36 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: or rather creating the Anthony Shott's profile to get inappropriate pictures, 37 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: he says, that's where the crime ends. Where you ever 38 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: trying to meet these girls in real life that you 39 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: were talking to? Did you have anything to do with 40 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: the murders of Abby or Libby, not at all. And 41 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: I gave up my DNA a hair folical test. They've 42 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: done everything they wanted me to. We reached out to 43 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: State Police tonight to ask if they've collected DNA samples 44 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: from Klein and if Kline's Anthony Shott's profile was the 45 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: last to talk to Libby before the murders. They say 46 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: they can't confirm either statement. We're going to go back 47 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: to that interview in just for one moment, you are 48 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: hearing Keegan Klein, who is his lawyer, letting him talk 49 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: to any reporter or anybody behind bars. You were hearing 50 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: that from w THR, that got it from CNN with 51 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: me an all star panel to make sense of what 52 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: we know right now. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, host of 53 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: Today with Doctor Wendy kcb Q and author of Red 54 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: Flags on Amazon at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Doctor 55 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalens to the Stars. You can find her 56 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Star of a hit 57 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: new series on Netflix, Bling Empire. Cheryl McCollum, Founder director 58 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: of the Coalcase Research Institute Years in the trenches fighting crime. 59 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: You can find her at Coalcase Crimes dot org. Joe 60 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood 61 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and host of a brand 62 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: new hit series on iHeart Bodybags with Joe Scott Morgan. 63 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: But first to Fox fifty nine reporter at Max Lewis. 64 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: You can find him on insta at Max Lewis TV. 65 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: Max Thaser being with us right now. Five years have 66 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: passed and it seems like everybody is in the dark. 67 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: The local police still have not released the full video 68 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: or the full sound of who we believe is the killer, 69 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: This guy, Keegan Klein. His place was searched even twenty seventeen, 70 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after the girls were a murdered, 71 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,119 Speaker 1: but he wasn't arrested till twenty twenty. What's going on? Yeah, 72 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's a lot of frustration 73 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: from you know, the entire public about because there is 74 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: so just we don't have a lot of information. And 75 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: Indiana State Police have been really tight lift especially in 76 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: the past couple of years. They have almost had a 77 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: complete lockdown of information. Yeah, has that really helped anything? Well, 78 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: some would say probably not, because we're still here five 79 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: years later, and the families you know who I just 80 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: talked to, you know, within the past few weeks, they 81 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: still don't have the answers that they're looking for and 82 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: the ones that they really desperately want, you know, to you, 83 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: Sheryl McCollum. We hear that a hair sample has been requested. 84 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: I find that really interesting because when I would want 85 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: somebody's DNA to match up to sperm or whatever fluid 86 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: or DNA I could get, I find that really interesting 87 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: that they specifically ask for hair. What do you think, Cheryl? 88 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: As a crime scene investor, I can tell you the 89 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: only way I would ask for that is to cross 90 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: check it with a hair that I found it the scene. 91 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: So it looks like to me, they're trying to put 92 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: him at that crime scene, you know, to dotor Bethany Marshall, 93 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: please I set up the profile. If he all but 94 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: admits that he's speaking to it's either Libby or Abby 95 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: that day, and I think it was Libby. He admits 96 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: by doing this setting up the profile, that he stole 97 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: this male model. Now a police officer by the way, 98 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: photo and created the Anthony underscore Shots profile to get 99 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: naked photos from little girls. But if you look at it, 100 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: apparently he was trying to meet up with him and 101 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: get their home addresses too. Yeah, Nancy, it wasn't just 102 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: getting photos of under each girls and over a hundred 103 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: of them. By the way, Skis was prolific in terms 104 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: of his predating on young girls. But this is just 105 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. What's underneath the water. Trying 106 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: to get their home addresses. That tells me he wanted 107 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: to stalk them. Meeting up with them, that means he 108 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: wanted to have sex with them. We don't know everything 109 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: that he communicated with them, but I would imagine he 110 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: was also trying to dominate these girls, push them into 111 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: subserviant role in his life, as we see so often 112 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: with these predators. I mean, what do they do. They 113 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: entice the girls online, then they start to get them 114 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: to say terrible things about their parents, They alienate for 115 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: them from the families. When the girl starts to feel 116 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: sort of both pitolated by the admiration and then guilty 117 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: for withdrawing from their parents, then the predator moves in 118 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: and he really takes charge at that point. Look, he 119 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: got these two little girls to go on a long 120 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: walk and to meet him somewhere. That's how much control 121 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: he had over their minds at this point. Now, according 122 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: to him, he had nothing to do with it. But 123 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: let's look at the facts. Isn't it true to you? 124 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: Max Lewis, reporter Fox fifty nine in Indianapolis that his 125 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: account Anthony Shots, which is again a fake photo. He 126 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: looks nothing like this guy called looks like a Justin 127 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: Bieber kind of look alike. He had photos on his 128 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: account where he's driving expensive sports cars, pretending like he's 129 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: very rich, very ripped, covered in tattoos. The account was 130 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: created just six months before Liberty and Abby were killed, 131 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: and we have reason to believe he was communicating with 132 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: at least one of the girls on the day that 133 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: they go missing. They're found dead the next day. And 134 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: also I find it really really disturbing that before he 135 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: would give one of his devices to police, they took 136 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: a couple of phones in an iPad. Why does he 137 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: need all these phones? He had one of them factory wiped, 138 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: factory wiped before handing it over. That doesn't look good, Max, No, 139 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: and you know, it's I mean, it begs a lot 140 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: of questions. You know, what was he doing? You know, 141 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: nobody has all those kind of phones. I mean when 142 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: they raided his home in the weeks after the girls 143 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: were murdered, you know, they carried out these bags of evidence, 144 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: including all these phones, these iPads. You know, who needs 145 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff? What is that kind of stuff for? 146 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: And then you know also, yeah, not turning in a 147 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: phone that you know, I don't know if police missed 148 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: one or what happened with that, but he ended up 149 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: turning a phone in, you know, about a week after 150 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: this raid and it had been factory reset. Well, you know, 151 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: begs the question what was on that phone? You know, 152 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: and why field the need to factory reset that is, 153 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: there's some important evidence that was on that and you know, 154 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: we'll see if INDIANFC police can get anything off of it. 155 00:09:53,679 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if they have crime stories with Nancy 156 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: Grace to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics. I assume 157 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: that you don't limit your forensic knowledge to blood and sperm. 158 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: What about digital forensics? Once you do a factory wipe, 159 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: what can cops get from that? Not much? Nancy and 160 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: specifically you use the term wipe. There is a reason 161 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: you say that, because it's cleared out at that point 162 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: in tim. So unless there is some type of backup 163 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: that the factory did on that, I don't think that 164 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: there would be anything salvageable relative to the history on 165 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: that phone and what they can and what they can collect. 166 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: I was trying to wade through a lot of the 167 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: information that we're getting to Max Lewis joining us Fox 168 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: fifty nine. On some of those devices, there were several 169 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: phones and at least one iPad there. On the iPhone 170 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: five they got from this guy, he had uninstalled and 171 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: deleted Snapchat, Insta and meet me. The browser history was 172 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: deleted the morning of fib twenty seven, just before he 173 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: handed the phone over to police. Much of the data 174 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: from Facebook, Insta and Twitter had also been deleted. I mean, Max, please, 175 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: cole you want to go look at my phone, have 176 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: at it. You can way through all those recipes and 177 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: the photos of the twins. I would be mad if 178 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: you didn't. I'm not going to delete a single picture 179 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: go crazy. But why did he have to delete stuff 180 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: from Facebook, Insta, in Twitter? And how much do we 181 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: know makes Lewis Fox fifty nine that he admits, he 182 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: admits to setting up the account, he admits to speaking 183 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: with or making contact with these young girls. Where does 184 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: he draw the line murder? Yeah, and that's the question, right, 185 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he used He told police when they interviewed him, 186 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: that he uses Anthony SHOT's account. All those pictures of 187 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: that good looking guy that you were talking about that 188 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: I didn't say he was good looking. Whoa hold on, Nelly? 189 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: I said it was Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber look alike. Yeah, okay, 190 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: well we'll go with that. So he told them that 191 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: he used this to get these nude photos of young girls. 192 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: And you know, if he's willing to do all bad, 193 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: he knows, I mean, he knows that that's wrong. If 194 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: he's willing to do that, what's to say that he's 195 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: not willing to meet up with him. I find it's 196 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: sort of hard to believe. I'm just telling him, Max, 197 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm you appreciate to the choir. You are preaching to 198 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: the choir right now, go tell it to the unbelievers. 199 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: You just can't tell me. Cheryl McCollum, don't make me 200 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: tell my story. I would tell Gerards about mister Scorpion 201 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: and mister Frog. Okay, but I will if I have 202 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: to break it out, I will. You can't tell me 203 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: that this guy was online with a fake account looking 204 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: like Justin Bieber, pretending to be rich, trying to get girls, 205 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: little girls addresses, me up with them, get them to 206 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: strip down and send him new photos. Anne was talking 207 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: to Libby, I think that day or within the previous 208 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: forty eight hours, and then suddenly they go to this bridge. 209 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: I just jump in, Cheryl, help me out here. Nancy. 210 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: There's a little other aspect for me, and that is 211 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: that when the girls went missing and subsequently were found murdered, 212 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: he never came forward either. He never said, hey, look, 213 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: I was talking to her about two o'clock, so I 214 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: can give you a time reference of when something might 215 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: have happened after that. So he wasn't helpful or anything. 216 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: But do you really blame him for that? Though? Well, yeah, 217 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: I blame him, but I'm not surprised to be a 218 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: better way because if he came forward that they didn't 219 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: have to admit him mean catfishing little girls for need photos. 220 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: But it's still a factor, is all I'm saying. Because 221 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: what you also have is the police were searching his 222 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: house within eleven days. Well, that means they had probable 223 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: calls to go there, so very quickly. They had their 224 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: eyes on this guy for a considerable reason. And I 225 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: believe it was what was in that phone. And I 226 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: want to remind everybody we keep hearing Miami County, Miami County. 227 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: It's not in Florida. It's in Ohio. Guys, I want 228 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: you to hear more of this bombshell. Interview is from WTHR, 229 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: who got it from CNN. Listen. The Shawn's account included 230 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: photos of a male model. The Anthony Shawn's account included 231 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: photos of a male model, and that man had no 232 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: idea that his images were being used to catfish girls 233 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: that were underage. Clin admitted that he created that fake 234 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: online profile and then he used it to solicit inappropriate pictures. 235 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: His now in the Miami County jail, being held on 236 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: about thirty counts of child pornography unrelated to the Delphi case. 237 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: Clin told CNN he had nothing to do with the 238 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: murders of Abbey and Libby. He also told CNN the 239 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: Delphi investigators told him that Anthony Shots was the last 240 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: to communicate with Libby before her death, and so do 241 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: you are you aware whether you may have talked to 242 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: Libby on the thirteenth. That's what they said, and that's 243 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: what the police telling that you did. Yeah, and do 244 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: you have any recollection of that? Not at all? Have 245 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: you told them a hundred times? I've done everything they 246 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: wanted me to, and it's like they're just harassing me. 247 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: Klein also told CNN he's given his DNA and a 248 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: hair follical sample to investigators. Police have not named Cline 249 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: as a suspect in the Delphi murders. Not named as 250 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: a suspect. Let me repeat that in the murders. Now, 251 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: did you hear that, Wendy Patrick, The police are harassing me? 252 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: Wake up, man, You got at least thirty counts of 253 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: child porn. Nobody's harassing you. We are protecting little girls 254 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: from you. And he just blurted out for the world 255 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: to hear that. The cops tell me I communicated with 256 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: Libby the afternoon before she was dead. That night she 257 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: went for the walk on FIB thirteen. She died on 258 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: thirteen along with Abby. Your bodies are found FIB fourteen, 259 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: and he says the cops tell him they have proof 260 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: he was talking to one of the girls that afternoon, 261 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: and we know his MO is just trying to meet 262 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: up with these girls. Let me give this quote. I 263 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: hope you're sitting down. You may need to lay down 264 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: for this quote. I don't really know. I was just lonely, 265 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just talking to people. I 266 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: don't know why I did it, really just want to 267 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: talk to people. Will go to the gas station, for 268 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: Pete's sake, go get a hamburger at McDonald's and say, hi, 269 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: does somebody walking in. Don't ask the girls for nude photos. 270 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: But yet he says he is being harassed. It really 271 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: goes to show you his mindset, doesn't it. So this 272 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: is somebody that has done this for so long, I 273 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: mean hundreds of admissions of photos and solicitations, because I 274 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: remember the online solicitation is for offline contact. Now, of 275 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: course his defense would be yes, but not murder. But 276 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: you'll notice that his demeanor, the tenor of his voice 277 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: on that call, in that interview, seemed to suggest the 278 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: perceived normalcy of this kind of behavior, which is very problematic. 279 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: You'll also know he doesn't deny, He'll know that he 280 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: doesn't deny being the last person to talk to at 281 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: least one of you. Yeah, hey, wait a minute, wait 282 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: a minute, you're right. That's a really good point, Wendy Patrick. 283 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: Did he deny it or did he say I don't 284 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: remember Cheryl McCollum. He said he didn't remember talking to her. 285 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: That's what that correct. Every people say I don't recollect. 286 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: In other words, I'm not telling Sometimes I really do remember, 287 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: but I think I would remember that or else. Why 288 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: would he wipe all of his phone. He also said, 289 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: they say that I was the last one to talk 290 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: to them. They like it's the police's fault, as if 291 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't remember. Clearly, given the two little girls are 292 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: murdered and he's in jail, he really the idea that 293 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: they're harassing him. They say I was the last one 294 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: to have contact. Not only does he externalize blame, but 295 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: there's an arrogance to his tone of voice. I don't 296 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: know if you've noticed that, as if he's being wronged 297 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: by the police in society, rather than referring to these 298 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: two little angels who are in the ground, saying two 299 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: girls went missing, they're dead. I'm so sorry. How are 300 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: their families. There's no remorse, no empathy towards the family members. 301 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: It's really the whole interview is very self referential. It's 302 00:18:46,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: all about him being wrong. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. 303 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: Max Lewis joining me, Fox fifty nine joining us from Indianapolis. Max, 304 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: I know you cover a varied, a wild spectrum of 305 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: breaking news. I've been putting bad guys behind bars. God 306 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: helped me for a really long time, and it's very 307 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: common for them to say this. Listen, Max. Max Lewis 308 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: Klein says he's not sure if the search warn't police 309 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: served him with in twenty seventeen, just about a week 310 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: or so after the girls were killed, was connected to 311 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: the Delphi murders or child exploitation and child porn. Quote. 312 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: I have no clue. I asked him, Hey, what is 313 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: this about? Well, how can he pretend he has no 314 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: idea what the search warn't or the arrest was about. Yeah, 315 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: I sort of call bull on all this guy's stuff, 316 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, saying, oh, well that's what the police tell me. 317 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: They tell me I was in contact. No, it was 318 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: his account. He knows if he was in contact with somebody. 319 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if he was in contact with 320 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: Libby or Abbey, and you know, I guess it could 321 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: be maybe somebody else was using this account to contact 322 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: them or whatever. But I just think he's playing dumb 323 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: all around, you know. I mean, I think he knows 324 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: what's going on here, and maybe he realized it was 325 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: a gravity and situation now, and it's just sort of 326 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: trying to play dumb and say, well, I don't know 327 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: that this warrant, I don't know if I was in 328 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: contact with them all the stuff. But I find that 329 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: really hard to please. Well, and it's really nasty gall baron, 330 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: please wit. I can't believe he even asked go ahead. 331 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: He was quoted when the police went to serve the 332 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: thurchquarrant on his home. He was quoted as saying, I'm 333 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: asked as soon as they came in, I should have 334 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: knew what was up. Okay, get ready to meet me, 335 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: Fox Nation. I should have left. That's what he said. 336 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: Isn't that what he played that? Yes, that's exactly what 337 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: he said. You know, Cheryl McCollum, you need to give 338 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: a few opening and closing arguments because you quickly get 339 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: over your let's see, delicate personality. That you've got where 340 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: you can't say your cursework. Just so you know, I 341 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: never ever, ever curse in front of the twins ever. 342 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: But you have to say it like it is. You 343 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: have to tell the jury and whoever is listening or 344 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: watching right now exactly exactly what you know to be 345 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: the truth. I agree with you one hundred percent. I 346 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: didn't want to get you fine. When the cops come 347 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: to his door, he says, I should have left now. 348 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: Max Lewis joining me Fox fifty nine. Let me understand. 349 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: Their bodies are found, they go missing, FIB thirteen, Their 350 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: bodies are found, FIB fourteen, talking about a little thirteen 351 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: and fourteen year old girl the age of my children, John, 352 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 1: David and Lucy. Their bodies are found. When did he 353 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: start to lading things off of his phones? Phones? Yeah, 354 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: multiple phones, Max Lewis and iPad Well. I believe we 355 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: don't know exactly when that happened, but we believe it 356 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: happened after the search warrant was served, and then right 357 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: after that and the search warrant was served. Get you know, 358 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: get this with like a little more than a week 359 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: after the girls murdered, and then in between that and 360 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: these hidden phones that he had. Then he started deleting 361 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: the information off of that. So you know, clearly he 362 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: knew something was up. He was possibly in trouble. He said, 363 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: as you said, Nancy, I won't say it again, but 364 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: you know he knew that he was asked, and so 365 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: that's when he started to do what he needed to do. 366 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: Whether or not it's in relation to the case, I 367 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: don't know, but we'll see. Well, you know, what, where 368 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: are you right now, Max Lewis? I am in our 369 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: station building here, Okay? Was it snowing outside when you 370 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: went in? It was? No? Okay. So if you go 371 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: outside and you see snow on the ground and you 372 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: see a snow whout going by, could you reasonably deduct 373 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: that it snowed while you were inside talking to me? I? Okay. 374 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is that Joe Scott Morgan, I 375 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: don't have to have a video of what he did 376 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: to note what he did. So I agree and Libby 377 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: were killed on the thirteenth, and he suddenly starts cleaning 378 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: off all of his devices. Yeah, and just as a refresher, 379 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: So folks that are listening to this, remember this. This 380 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: guy's in Peru, Indiana, Nancy. And that's that's where he 381 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: was domiciled, where he lived, Nancy. Let me give you 382 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: a number three seven thirty seven miles from Delphi, Nancy, 383 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: thirty seven miles. Just keep that in mind. Here, this 384 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: the proximity. Here. When we work crimes like this, we 385 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: begin to think about individuals that had the potential to 386 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: commit these kinds of crimes in relative proximity. Because when 387 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: you put together a profile of somebody, you think about 388 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: who has opportunity access, you know, all of those things 389 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: that we kind of roam roam through in our minds 390 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: as investigators. And for me, that number is going to 391 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: stick with me when it comes to this guy. And 392 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: one more thing about these people that engage in this 393 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: kind of behavior, they never do it in a vacuum, Nancy. 394 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: They network with one another. One of the things that 395 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: they really enjoy is sharing this data and they'll either 396 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: get on a dark web nowadays or sometimes sometimes these 397 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: individuals will gather, if physically gather to swap images. And 398 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: I really wonder, I really wonder if there are not 399 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: others that might have privy to this information and to 400 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: images like this, you know what, I wonder if he 401 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: could be pained. This is feed for thought for everybody 402 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: on the panel. If his devices could be pained to 403 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: the location of the bridge the moment high bridge. I 404 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: wonder if they've done that or if they lost all 405 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: that data when the phones were when the devices were whipe. 406 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: Just let me tell you. I keep saying phones and 407 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: I stumble because we typically say phone. He had six devices, smartphones, 408 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: a tablet and iPod touch, multiple phones. What were you 409 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: going to say, Cheryl, that it was Wendy, I was 410 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: going to be add to I was going to add 411 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: to proximity. He also had predisposition. The predisposition was the 412 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: meeting the girls online and being willing to travel that 413 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: short thirty seven miles to meet up. But what the 414 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: argument is going to be is kind of what you thought, 415 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: what you heard him say in the interview, that that 416 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: was where the interest stopped. In other words, predisposition for 417 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: meeting young girls for sex doesn't then lead to murder. 418 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: That is why the demeanor in that interview I thought 419 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: was so important to look at, well, is this somebody 420 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: that can get that angry, that would be capable of 421 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: that kind of just despicable conduct. So disposition was everything 422 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: you began by saying, what kind of lawyer would let 423 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: a client give an interview like that. You can see 424 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: how much we're already deducing just by the words he 425 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: said in his tone of voice, I want to point 426 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: out that, hey, don't really lose doctor Bethany. Okay, listen 427 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: to this, Okay, let me verbalize this correctly. On many 428 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: of the graphic sex images he got from little girls, 429 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: nude photos of children, childhorn, the locations were not in 430 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: his hometown that Joe Scott was pointing to. He's thirty 431 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: seven miles away. He got images for little children from 432 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: Hammond Royal Center, also in Indiana, Bunker Hill, Galveston, Indianapolis, Cocomo, Monterey, 433 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: and Royal Center. So his m was to get photos 434 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: from little girls in different areas. Now would he travel 435 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: to meet Why not? It's just got pointed out, it's 436 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: thirty seven miles away. What were you saying, Bethany. Well, 437 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: Wendy was wondering, given his interview, if we could tell 438 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: if he was the kind of person who would get 439 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: angry and anger leading to homicide. But remember, there are 440 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: many other reasons that sex predators kill. Maybe he wouldn't 441 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: want to have been ideed by them. Remember Olibby took 442 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: a Snapchat photo of somebody who looked remarkably like Kleine, 443 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: or he could have been like a sado masochistic kind 444 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: of person or sadist excuse me, where he wanted to 445 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: inflict pain an injury in order to increase his sexual 446 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: excitement excitement and then maybe when that went too far 447 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: or he maamed them, or he had to dispose of 448 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: them afterwards. But if the police were able to get 449 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: a hold of the content of his Facebook, his Instagram, Twitter, 450 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: all of that, I think that they will probably have 451 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: a behavioral expert looking at what was the content of 452 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: the sex will chat with these underage girls? Did it 453 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: veer towards sadism? Did he ever talk about wanting to 454 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: tie them up, to harm them, to hurt them, because 455 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: that could be another reason why you can kill them 456 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: and disposed of them. Listen to this. Speaking of the images, 457 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: they were mostly children between age twelve and seventeen, adults 458 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: involved in sex acts with children between the ages of 459 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: three and eleven, Images of a drugs and a photo 460 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: of Climb with the black handgun. So if you are 461 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: not interested in sex with a child, why would you 462 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: be soliciting photos and videos of sex with a child. 463 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: You know that all saying to you, Cheryl, you know 464 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: what you think about. It's what you are, it's what 465 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: you do. I always tell the children, don't invite the 466 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: devil for tea. He may stay for supper and end 467 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: up camping out overnight. In your head, don't so if 468 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: he's not interested in it, why is he soliciting it? 469 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: And here's the thing that's going to go against the 470 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: argument when people say, well, he was just trying to 471 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: get photographs. No, he was asking for photographs and asking 472 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: people to meet with him. And it just might be 473 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: that finally somebody met him. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, 474 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: a factory reaset that Joe Scott and I were talking 475 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: about earlier essentially wipes all user data. Now investigators were 476 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: able to get info on the device, including discussions about 477 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: me eating people in Vegas and prostitution. So he apparently 478 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: was willing to travel to satisfy his twisted desires. Let's 479 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: take a listen to more of what we are now 480 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: getting from wth R. This guy actually spoke to producers 481 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: from behind bars. Don't you know his defense lawyer is 482 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: doing a back flip hit it. Jack. Are you aware 483 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: whether you may have talked to Libby on the thirteenth. 484 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: That's what they said, and that's what the police told 485 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: me that you did. Yeah, and do you have any 486 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: recollection of that? Not at all? Have you told them 487 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: a hundred times I've done everything they wanted me to, 488 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: and it's like they're just harassing me. Oh back company, 489 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: harassing again, you know, to use Sheryl McCollum. I have 490 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: never seen a case where that's being handled this way. 491 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: It's almost as if they are titillating the public with 492 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: just a little bit of information. Not releasing more details 493 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: has not helped them at all. What's the problem, Cheryl, 494 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like this either, Nancy, as you know, 495 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, within that first week, we had the video 496 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: in his voice within the first week, and then it 497 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: wasn't until five months later we get the first composite, 498 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: and then two years later we get a consecutive you know, 499 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: a second composite that doesn't look anything like the first one, 500 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: and then in December of twenty twenty one, now we 501 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: have this Anthony underscore shots account. I mean, it's just 502 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: been this piecemeal. But you know you're getting at the 503 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: five year mark. I mean it might be time to 504 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: release a little more. Well what do you think about that? 505 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: Just Scott Morgan? Yeah, I think that that's I mean, 506 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: what a point. And I know that it's you can say, 507 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: what do you have to lose? You can lose the 508 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: whole case. But really, at this point in time, we've 509 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: been teased. I like the fact that you use that 510 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: term with and I'll go back to this. Do you 511 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: remember early on they said they being the authorities that 512 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: they have DNA sample? Okay, so what exactly do you 513 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: mean by that? I think that needs to be explored. 514 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: What's the sourcing of the DNA? And when I say that, 515 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm talking about we've mentioned hair earlier. Is it semen? 516 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: Is it blood? Is it merely touched DNA? And you know, 517 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: if you have DNA, why is it that it's it's 518 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: coming up, you know, with a big fat zero at 519 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: this point in time, Why is it that you have 520 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: this evidence rich environment which I can only assume it was. 521 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: What's the what's the what's what's the inhibitor here? That's 522 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: that's preventing you going forward with the physical evidence? I think, 523 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: And why hasn't that happened. Has it been played into codist? 524 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: I can only assume that it would have been to 525 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: get a reference, you know, the National DNA database. And 526 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: so I'm wondering if what the nature of the DNA is, 527 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: if it is as substantial as we hope that it is, 528 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: or is it contaminated or compromised in some way. I 529 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: don't know. These are big questions that have to be answered. Nancy. Nancy, 530 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm a layperson, and when I read this, meaning that 531 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: I've never been on a crime scene, I'm not an investigator, 532 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm not a detective. And when I read that they 533 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: had held on to this much information for five years, 534 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: I thought bubble formed above my head. That was like, 535 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: do you really have anything substantial at all? I mean, 536 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: are you bluffing? Are you hiding? Where is the reality 537 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: of this investigation? I mean, Joe Scott Morgan just put 538 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: it so much more beautifully and eloquently. But just from 539 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: the public's perspective, it's either a tease or it's just 540 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: like an empty gesture and there's nothing behind it at all. Guys, 541 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: speaking of teasing the public as aimes exactly what the 542 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: Indiana State Police is are doing. Take a listen to 543 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: our c at D three. It's important that we don't 544 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: show our hand. Quite frankly and very directly, we're not 545 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: going to explain what we know about the killer. We're 546 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: not going to do that. We're not going to explain 547 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: some of the intricate details of the death of Abby 548 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: and Libby. Unfortunately, one day we're going to have to. 549 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: But then that's going to create a whole other issue 550 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: with family and friends in the community and the like. 551 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: So from an investigator standpoint, I'm not going to talk 552 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: any more about it. To Dr Bethany Marshall, you were 553 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: saying what well, I was saying that when they say 554 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: they're not going to reveal to the public, it'll have 555 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: to come out and court at some point. It could 556 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: be a tease. But Nancy, maybe they have nothing at all. 557 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: A further thought, meaning there is no evidence. Maybe they 558 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: flugged it up as Joe Scott Morgan in much better 559 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: language than I could have constructed. But here's another thought, Nancy, 560 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: this guy was such a prolific offender. Where are all 561 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: the other victims? Has anybody else come forward? I mean, 562 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: the families in those communities must be terrified. Don't you 563 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: think they've perhaps they've checked their daughter's social media accounts. 564 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: I would be Nancy. I gotta do this. I do 565 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: not think they're bluffing. I'll tell you what I think 566 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: has happened. I think at first when this went down, 567 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: they didn't know what to do with what they found 568 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: because it was so out of the realm of anything 569 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: they had ever seen. We had twenty year veterans telling us, 570 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: this is the worst scene we've ever dealt with, this 571 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: is the worst crime we've ever dealt with. And I 572 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: believe them. So let me go back. If you look 573 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: at the bridge, every single teenage girl, every single one, 574 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: can tell you there was a guy somewhere at a 575 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: Ballfield grocery store movie theater that made them feel weird, 576 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: that they thought was kind of a pervert, right, But 577 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: they didn't videotape them. Libby videotaped this guy because he 578 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: did something overtly. He did something first in order for 579 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: her to take that phone out and videotaped him from 580 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 1: a distance. If you look at the video, his midsection, 581 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: his belly button, for example, is headed east where he's 582 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: on the west side of the bridge. It appears to me. 583 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: He was in the middle of a turn. I believe 584 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,479 Speaker 1: he walked past them said or did something freaked her out. 585 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: When he turned around is when she started videotaping. I 586 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: don't know what is at that scene. I don't know 587 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: if there's weird knots or drawings or cuts or burns 588 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: or something with clothing. But I do know that holding 589 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: it close to the vest is the smartest thing they 590 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: can do, because when they get that soob in that room, 591 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: he's going to slip up and say something that's never 592 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: been released. Yeah, I mean, you have to play it 593 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: close to the vest. I think at this point. Though. 594 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: Counterpoint to that is that when you get at a 595 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: micstand and you make a comment about we're not going 596 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: to release this information, you have to have the expectation 597 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: and the sophistication to understand these questions will continue to 598 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: be asked over and over and over again. We're celebrating, 599 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: Oh god, let me rephrase that, we're marking. We're marking 600 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: the fifth anniversary. We can celebrate their lives, but this 601 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: is horrible what has occurred, and this is we're five 602 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: years down the road right now. And when it is 603 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: stated that you have specific information you have specific investigative 604 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: data that you come up with, the public will want 605 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: to know, you know, well, why hasn't this lad somewhere? 606 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: And I think that's a valid question. Nanswy Well. I 607 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: don't believe that they need to release anything regarding the 608 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: mode of the death or any details of the girl's desk, 609 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: but anything that can lead to the identity of the 610 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: perpetrator is an entirely different matter. Take a listen to 611 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: our cut one anchor Juny Sue ABC seven. Nearly five 612 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: years since thirteen year old Abby Williams and fourteen year 613 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: old Libby German were murdered on this Indiana hiking trail, 614 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: their killers still at large, and today Indiana State Police 615 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: issuing a new warning to the culprit I resolved to 616 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: catch him. Is as strong as it was day one. 617 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: But the difference now between now and day one, as 618 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: we know about you a lot about you. Today could 619 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: be the day sleep well the girls were lasting. You're 620 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: this bridge. In February of twenty seventeen, authorities a Libby 621 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: recorded this image of the alleged killer on her iPhone, 622 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: along with haunting audio of his voice moments before their murder, 623 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: apparently telling them to go down the hill. If you 624 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 1: knew Libby, she had her phone attached her hip all 625 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: the time. Libby's grandparents believe the teenager knew something was 626 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: right with a man they encountered, prompting her to record him. 627 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: Something decides me to, says she was going to film 628 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: that and come home and say, look, Granfa, I'll look 629 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,280 Speaker 1: at this guy who he was out there? Really weird. 630 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: How does it help to issue a statement that says 631 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 1: we know a lot about you. If you knew that much, 632 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: then why not arrest him? And today could be the day? 633 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: Sleep well? But there's been no arrest. So what's the 634 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: thinking behind that kind of statement? What about it? Wendy Patrick, 635 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: It sounds like they know a lot about the profile 636 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: of who committed the murders. What it seems like is 637 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: lacking as the tie between the profile they have and 638 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: the actual suspect they're going to arrest. You know, I 639 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: have even tried rape cases where you would expect there 640 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: would be DNA everywhere but there wasn't, or forensic evidence 641 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: you would expect would just be prolific at a crime scene, 642 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: but it wasn't able to be tied to a particular 643 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: suspect in the same way. They've released sketches that have 644 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: been very different from each other. They're not photographed, and 645 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: there are many people that folsefully look like sketches that 646 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 1: have been released. So they seem to be struggling with 647 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: that link. They've got the profile, they have the evidence 648 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: that they just don't have that bridge to be able 649 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: to charge, for example, the person we've been talking about 650 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: who's in custody for the child porn. Yeah. Yeah, it's 651 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: interesting that you're using that phraseology, Wendy Patrick. Can I 652 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: agree they may be one step away missing one piece 653 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: of evidence. And Cheryl McCollum had a great idea. If 654 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: they haven't already done it, Indiana police, I'm sure will 655 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: make plans to take that jailhouse interview and compare it 656 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 1: to the known voice of the killer where he says 657 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 1: down the hill, down the hill, and hopefully get a match. 658 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven where they virtually 659 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: say that this is from WNDU. By February of twenty 660 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: twenty one, police maintained they were just one puzzle piece 661 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: away from an arrest. It is not a cold case. 662 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: I've been adamant about that all along. It is not 663 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: a cold case, so we still receive tips by way 664 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: of email, our phone calls every day, and so new 665 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: information still pours into our investigators. Those investigators moved to 666 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: a new space in September of twenty twenty one where 667 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: they could continue to work on tips. As the reward 668 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: grows to three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars, and 669 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: just when the public thought they weren't going to learn 670 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: anything new about the killer, detectives are seeking information about 671 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: the person who created the Anthony Shots profile. Investigators would 672 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: like any individual who communicated me or attempted to meet 673 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 1: the Anthony Shots profile to contact law for that. Request 674 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: for help from Indiana State Police in December of twenty 675 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: twenty one seeking information about a fake online account that 676 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 1: went by the name of Anthony Underscore Shots the tip 677 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: line seven six five eight two two thirty five thirty 678 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: five Repeat seven six five eight two two thirty five 679 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: thirty five. The reward is growing now at three hundred 680 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand dollars. Nancy Grace Crumbs story signing 681 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend,