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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: thing since Fenway Park. The Reds opened to two game

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Speaker 1: series at Fenway on Tuesday, and seeing the ballpark on

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Speaker 1: places on Earth. You never forget your first time at

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Speaker 1: In my case, the cabby pointed out the light towers

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Speaker 1: broadcasting games from Fenway Park. The broadcast booth high above

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Speaker 1: Imagine trying to describe a baseball game from the Space shuttle,

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Speaker 1: but it's still magical. You have a magnificent view of

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Speaker 1: here's a Dan Horde hot take. Fenway Park is easily

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Speaker 1: to both and it's not even close. Now let's get

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Speaker 1: kind I think many of us assume, well, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: for the Ring of Honor huge impacts. Obviously, Paul Brown,

426
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Speaker 1: not just on the Cincinnati Bengals founded the franchise, but

427
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:19,199
Speaker 1: in National Football League in general. When you think about

428
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: inventing the face mask team meetings during the course of

429
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Speaker 1: the week, going and staying at a hotel even for

430
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Speaker 1: home games, you know, to stay together as a group

431
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: and meet as a group before the game. I mean,

432
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 1: he had so many innovations way back that to this

433
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: day are part of the normal you know, day to day,

434
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: week to week occurrences in the National Football League. And

435
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: a guy like Bill Belichick always talks about this is

436
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: the way Paul Brown did it, and it's still happening

437
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: in the year, you know, in a decade of twenty twenty.

438
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy when you think about it. So

439
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: I'd have to say he be one of the most

440
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: impactful people in the National Football League in general, in

441
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Speaker 1: the history of the league. So he's, uh, he's obviously,

442
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, a huge factor there. Um Ken Amerson called

443
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 1: the most important player in franchise history by Mike Brown agreed,

444
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, and and that that speaks volumes so huge

445
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: impact on the on the organization. For a guy to

446
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: come out of tiny Augustana in the third round, I

447
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: think he's like sixty fourth pick of the draft or

448
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: whatever it was to play like he played for as

449
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: long as he played, UM and and the way he played,

450
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: and the type of person you know that that he

451
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: was for all those years as a leader and on

452
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: and off the football field for the organization. Huge impact

453
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: on what happened with the Cincinnati Bengals. Um. You know,

454
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 1: Boomris Hiasin has made a massive impact. Not not yet

455
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: in the Ring of Honor, but a strong candidate to

456
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: be there very very quickly. But his impact was incredible.

457
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: I think from a just one guy rallying other guys standpoint,

458
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: he's as good as I've ever seen. Everybody just gravitated

459
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: to that guy. He just had the IT factor CAPITALI,

460
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: capital T. You know, he was dripping in it whatever.

461
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: It is, hard to define describe it, but he had it.

462
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: There's there's no question. You know, so very very very

463
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: impactful guy there. And you know, obviously you can go

464
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: through all the Super Bowl quarterbacks Joel Burrow. Look at

465
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: the impact he's having on this franchise right now. Man,

466
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: I mean at Super Bowl fifty six, it's only the beginning.

467
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: He's just he's in the infancy stages, and his impact

468
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: was felt on just about every level of the organization

469
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: anyway that it can be felt. He's he's a football

470
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: savant and he has the factor as well, that that

471
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: very intangible thing that it's hard too hard to put

472
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: your arms around, hard to define, how to how to grasp.

473
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: But you know when guys have it and when they don't,

474
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: and when you have it, you don't want to lose it.

475
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: Whatever it is you got. Munio's out there right absolutely,

476
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Anthony Munos is uh, you know, the impact

477
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: that he had on the organization is just, you know,

478
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: absolutely mind boggling. He and Max Montoya, the Mexican connection

479
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: with the common thread between the Super Bowls really Um,

480
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: there were other players that played in both Super Bowls,

481
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: but up front, those guys set the standards, set the tempo,

482
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: set everything. Um and huge impact and obviously Anthony Munos

483
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: maybe the best human being I've ever known, so in

484
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: terms of on the field off the field, he is, uh,

485
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: He's the epitome of greatness. UM. Goat is an understatement

486
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: I think for what Anthony Muneos brought to the franchise,

487
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: brought to the city. Um, it's it's just you know,

488
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: pretty very impressive, to say the least. And and Kenny Riley,

489
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: who was another guy played sixteen years in the National

490
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: Football League at the level that he played at um

491
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: and his he may have been as quiet and as

492
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: um uh non, Hey look at me, look at me,

493
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: leader I've ever seen in my life. This guy man

494
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: just led by how he lived his life, led by example,

495
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: led by what he was doing. He wasn't a real

496
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: vocal guy. He was one of those guys that showed you,

497
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, here's here's how it's supposed to be done,

498
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: here's how you go about it, here's what you do,

499
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: here's what you stay away from, here's what you don't do.

500
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: He was He was unbelievable, not just for defensive backs

501
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: but for everybody. Just look at Kenny Riley and get

502
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: a great example of how to prepare in the classroom,

503
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 1: how to practice, how to take care of yourself, all

504
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: the things you need to do to be a pro,

505
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: on top of being a phenomenal human being himself. All right,

506
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: you can only have four heads. So the Lapham Bengals

507
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: mount Rushmore as of now, because you know, Joe Burrow

508
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: obviously could change things very soon. But Brown, Munio's Anderson,

509
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: and Boomer is that if you've got to pick the fourth,

510
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: it's Boomer. I'd probably yeah, I'd probably do that. The

511
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, you know, just by the nature of the

512
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: position and what they when they when it works out,

513
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: when it's successful, what they've done to make it that way.

514
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: It's almost like when you have a special quarterback, you're

515
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: gonna have specials, no doubt. All Right, the Dan Horde, Bengals,

516
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore, I think the first three or no brainers.

517
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: I think Paul Brown, Anthony Munio's, Ken Anderson are those

518
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: heads are definitely carved in that granite. My fourth, I'd

519
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: give strong consideration to you, honestly, playing career and broadcasting career,

520
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: you're probably my fifth head right now. But my fourth,

521
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: believe it or not, is Chad Johnson for kind of

522
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: cultural impact. I mean, obviously a great career ten years

523
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: with the Bengals, six time Pro Bowl are still the

524
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: all time leader in franchise history in catches and yards.

525
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: But he made Cincinnattie cool. He was charismatic. You know,

526
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: it's interesting now, how often when we ask these newcomers,

527
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: what did you know about the Bengals as a kid

528
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. What are your memories of the Bengals growing up?

529
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: They always say, Oh, I love Chad Johnson. Chad Johnson

530
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: was my guy. So for now Chad gets my fourth

531
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: head and my Bengals. Mount Rushmore knowing that Joe Burrow,

532
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: if he keeps this up, could and probably hopefully will

533
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: be eventually the fourth had But at the moment, I've

534
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 1: got Chad Johnson, slash Ojo Sinko's handsome face up by

535
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: Matt mount Rushmore can't argue. I mean, that's that's obviously

536
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: a huge, huge image in persona in Bengals history, There's

537
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: no question about it. I guess I'm old school in that. Um.

538
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: You know, Paul was part of championships in Cleveland, championships

539
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, and Kenny Anderson Boomer, they were part of championships,

540
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: not winning the Super Bowl, but AFC championships and Anthony

541
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: as well, So that that that was a that's a

542
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: factor in uh in my decision making there, and Chad

543
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: wasn't not due to Chad's performance, but just didn't work

544
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: out for him during his career for the football team,

545
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of people thought that it could have

546
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: and should have and they had they had the goods

547
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: to get it done, but it just didn't didn't work out.

548
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: Very very worthy Mount Rushmore pick. All right, we move

549
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: on to another category, our Mount Rushmore of Bengals play.

550
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: These are individual plays en franchise history that we are

551
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: carving into that granite. What are your Mount Rushmore Bengals

552
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: plays I'll never forget as a rookie. In October sixth

553
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy four, my rookie year, Lamar Parish jaw dropping.

554
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: We're playing the Washington Redskins at Riverfront Stadium. We end

555
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: up beating him twenty eight to seventeen, and Lamar Parish

556
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: scored two touchdowns, one on special teams, a ninety yard

557
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: punt return which that dazzled me and everybody in the stadium,

558
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: and then forced fumble. He picks it up and returns

559
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: of forty seven yards. Another couple moves for another touchdown.

560
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: So he scores two non conventional scores by the same

561
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: individual and the other two phases of football besides offense,

562
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: defense and special teams. I'm like, oh my god, this

563
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: dude is unbelievable. And that left a huge impression on

564
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: me watching Lamar Parish early in my rookie year. Just

565
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean I was dumbfounded by the guy's physical presence

566
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: and his ability, um you know. Another one was Kenny

567
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: Riley had a pick six against the Cleveland Browns that

568
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: won the game late. We're you know, t tie football game.

569
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: Late in the game nineteen eighty three, my last year

570
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: with the Bengals. I guess that's why has an impression

571
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: on me as well as my final year with the

572
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: Bengals and Rattler, who, like I said, I idolized Kenny Riley.

573
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was like if there was

574
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: pillars of the franchise and people that you know, you

575
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: want to try to emulate how they lived their life

576
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: and played the game of football. Kenny Riley was one

577
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: of the ones that I had definitely as a as

578
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: a foundational building block. And he had that interception off

579
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: Brian Side took it to the house beat the hated

580
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. I mean I remember I remember that play

581
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: extremely vividly. Another one that comes to mind Corey Dillon

582
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: a forty one yard touchdown to break Walter Payton's two

583
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: in seventy five yards a single rushing record, got Corey

584
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: two seventy eight. It happened on that forty one yard

585
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: touchdown against the Denver Broncos, and the Bengals were I

586
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: don't think they'd won a game up until that matchup

587
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: against Denver. They're like, oh, in six or something like that,

588
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: I think. And I remember being down on the field

589
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: before the game and John Tilink, their defensive line coach,

590
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: was out there and Corey came running by, and really

591
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: you could feel the earth move. Corey Dillon was one

592
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: of those guys where you could just you could just

593
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: feel it. You could just feel it happening. And so

594
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: John Tilling's like his players are just a little bit

595
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: away from him warming up, and he was talking to

596
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: a couple of other coaches and Corey runs by, and

597
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: I was standing a little bit away from everybody watching.

598
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: He's like, looks at Corey, looks at the beginning, goes, hight, boys,

599
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: let's go. We gotta get ready to play. He's like

600
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: he could he could not believe the force, the power

601
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: that he felt when Corey Dylan came thundering by him. Uh,

602
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: down on the down on the football field, and I

603
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: remember feeling that exact same thing. And I remember talking

604
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: to dick Lebaul about that, and he said, Jimmy Brown,

605
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: our Syracuse guy. He said that you could feel the

606
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: earth move when when Jimmy Brown ran the football. So

607
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: I guess those are the four players that kind of

608
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: stick to my mind, umu, and two of them are

609
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: Lamar Parish in the same game obviously, but that that

610
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: that game was like at that point I realized these

611
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: guys are good. I mean, this is another level to watch.

612
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: To watch that and uh, they remember the two old quarterbacks,

613
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: scraggy quarterbacks, Billy Kilmers Sonny Jourgensen. You know, it's like

614
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: and I'm a snot nos twenty two year old, twenty

615
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: three year old kid just taking it all in. I mean,

616
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: I can remember everything about that that game because of

617
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: the excellence Lamar. All right, So this is good because

618
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: my mount rushmore of Bengal's plays four different plays, two

619
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: for like impact and two for just how spectacular the

620
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: individual plays were. So the individual spectacular ones Number one

621
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Jerome Simpson flying somersaults in two eleven as you nailed it,

622
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, at the moment on the broadcast, the Russian

623
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: judge gives him a ten for the forward somersault. So

624
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: that was awesome. Second one, Giovanni Bernard's Halloween touchdown Thursday

625
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: night run against Miami. It was thirty five yards technically,

626
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: but on Sports Center later that night they measured it

627
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: one hundred one point nine yards because he went sidelined

628
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: to sideline, he went backward, he went forward. It was

629
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: a thirty five yard run that lasted sixteen seconds. Typically

630
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: a thirty five yard run lasts about seven seconds. Just

631
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: an incredible individual play by Giovanni Bernard. Then for impact

632
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: Stanford Jennings kickoff return touchdown and Super Bowl twenty three.

633
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: It gave the Bengals a Super Bowl lead for the

634
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: first time ever, ninety three yards, one of the great

635
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: kick returns in pro football history. And then my final one,

636
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: very recent Germaine Pratt's clinching interception against the Raiders in

637
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year, thirty one years of playoff frustration

638
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: over biggest crowd in Paul Brown Stadium history. That feeling

639
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: of you know, Catharsis was awesome. So that that right

640
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: now is at the top of my list for Bengals

641
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore plays. Yeah, I mean that all all huge plays.

642
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: Um It's funny though, I mean all of those plays

643
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: impactful through the broadcast part of it, you know, experience,

644
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you there's something about being involved, you know,

645
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: on the field in the game when a guy does

646
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: something that's like what it just man, it just puts

647
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: a sledgehammer in print on your mind, you know, it

648
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: really does. All. Fortunately, over the fifty plus years, the

649
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Bengals have had a lot of a lot of big

650
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: plays as you would expect offense, defense, and special teams,

651
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: no doubt. All right, next category our mount Rushmore of

652
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: most painful Bengals moments. Unfortunately, there have been a few.

653
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: But what is your mount rushmore in that category? Okay, well,

654
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: I'll have to go to the two Super Bowls. Well,

655
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: actually you can go. I'm gonna go to all three

656
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, I guess for three of them. Super Bowl sixteen,

657
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 1: the goal line stand, I mean, just good. God makes

658
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: me vomit every time I think about it. And it

659
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: wasn't just because of the excellence of the forty nine

660
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: Ers defense and they which they were very stout and

661
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: very good, but God dang it, we made it so

662
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: easy on them by making mistakes, you know, on three

663
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: out of the four snaps. And when you do that

664
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: in that big a game, that big of a moment,

665
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: you can't put yourself on your schedule. I mean, they're

666
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: good enough to to whip you, and they whipped us

667
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: because they were good enough to do it, and we

668
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: helped him. So that ineptitude of not being able to

669
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: score at the start, you know, cut cut into a

670
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: twenty point episode at halftime by a touchdown that would

671
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: have made it twenty to fourteen with oodles of time

672
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: to go in the game would have been a different

673
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: football game. But we didn't get it done. So that

674
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: was still to this day extremely painful, There's no doubt

675
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: about it. Super Bowl twenty three man Tim Crumry shattering

676
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: his leg, I mean, Stanley Wilson lapsing into, you know,

677
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: a problem with his addiction issues, Lewis Billips dropping a

678
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: sure interception pick, any of those all painful moments, you know.

679
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, David Grant played played very good or very

680
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: fine football game, played very well, I should say, um.

681
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: But Tim Crombry was the glue, you know, he was.

682
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: He was such a such an integral part of the

683
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: the being of that football team, not just defense, but

684
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: just the being of the Cincinnati Bengals in that Super

685
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: Bowl season. To have him go down as early as

686
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: he did, it was almost like the indestructible Ultimate Warrior

687
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: went down. Oh my god, that's impossible. And they overcame

688
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: it pretty well. Um, but that was a very painful moment.

689
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: And then the painful moment of Super Bowl twenty three,

690
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: Joe barrogetting spun around. And there's an operty six Super

691
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty six, the most recent one, Um, Joe Barrow

692
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: getting spun around by Aaron Donald and there were opportunities

693
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: there to extend to play and maybe win the game. Um,

694
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: and it's you know that that was very painful. It

695
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: was one of six sacks that were allowed in the

696
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: second half of that football game. Extremely painful. So I guess,

697
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: I guess those would be painful moments for me in

698
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: Bengal's history that occurred in super big uber games. For sure,

699
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: you got a fourth. You got those three Super Bowls,

700
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: a fourth a fourth painful moment, of course, you had

701
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: several from Super Bowl twenty times. There's there's a laundry list. Yeah,

702
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: there's a laundry list of them. I'll hate you with mine.

703
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: And then maybe you agree with one of these or

704
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: a jogs your you know thought process for another one.

705
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: So I had the goal line stand that was number

706
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: one on my list I had from Super Bowl twenty three.

707
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: I wrote down Montana to Taylor because that was the

708
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: final nail in the coffin. That was John Taylor's only

709
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: catch of that Super Bowl. The game weather with thirty

710
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: four seconds to go. And again, you know, it was

711
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: a mistake in the secondary. And that's how a lot

712
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: of big plays happened, you know, due to the other

713
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: team making a mistake and credit the team that wins

714
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: by capitalizing on no question, I wrote down the Jeremy

715
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: Hill umble in the infamous fifteen playoff meltdown at Paul

716
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: Brown Stadium. AJ mcgarreon hits Aj Green for the touchdown

717
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: pass with one fifty to go. On the next play

718
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: from scrimmage, Perfect intercepts Landry Jones with one thirty six

719
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: to go. The Bengals have a one point lead with

720
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: the ball at the Pittsburgh twenty six and on the

721
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: very next play from scrimmage, Jeremy Hill gets stripped by

722
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: Ryan Shazier. Ross Cockrell recovers. We know what happened after that.

723
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: So those are three and then my fourth painful Mount

724
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: Rushmore Bengals moment Greg Cook's injury third game of his

725
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: rookie year, fifth pick in the draft, the Bengals are

726
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: off to a three and oz start. He tears his

727
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: rotator cuff, misses three games, the Bengals lose them all.

728
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: He does come back, wins offensive Rookie of the Year,

729
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: has a great year, and never significantly plays again because

730
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: at that point a rotator cuff injury wasn't easily repaired exactly.

731
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: And Buck Buchanan, you know'll fill on his arm as

732
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: it was extended and ripped his shoulder up and to

733
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: the this day, I remember talking to Paul Brown, God

734
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: rest his soul, about the excellence of Greg Cook, and

735
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: he just couldn't say enough. Superlatos and Mike Brown the

736
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: same way I mean Greg Cook was. I did uh

737
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: play in a couple of charity basketball games scenarios with

738
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: an unbelievable athlete, I mean, just really gifted, really good

739
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: basketball player. But I can imagine what he was like

740
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: out in the football field as a as a quarterback,

741
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: and all of his teammates and coaches that were what

742
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: we're part of that time. You know that lightning bolt

743
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: of time with Greg Cook, say man just cursed if

744
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: he'd been able to avoid injury and sustain it. Who knows?

745
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Who know? All Right, our mount rushmore of Bengals good guys. Fortunately,

746
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: this is another category where we could pick dozens really,

747
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: but we've got to have four heads on the mountain

748
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: of Bengals good guys. Yeah, I mean there's there's so

749
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: many obviously, you know in my mind Anthony, when you

750
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: knows goes, yeah, he goes, he goes to the leadership.

751
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: He's he's carrying the banner as uh as you look

752
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: at look at the good guys on on the football team.

753
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: You know, guys that that stood up, uh you know,

754
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: to to the mass media in in difficult times as

755
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: well as the good times and and handled both with

756
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: ease and both with uh with applauma as such. Boomerisias

757
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: and Chris Collinsworth, you know. Uh, those those kind of

758
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: guys come to mind. The Swat team Fulture, uh Sally Et.

759
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: Those guys were really good guys you know as well,

760
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: and had an influence on their uh you know, on

761
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: their football teams in a in a very positive way.

762
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: Like you said, I mean, you can you can name

763
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: so so many. Giovanni Bernard, who you talked about, Um

764
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: with that run against the Miami Dolphins, zig zagging all

765
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: over the football field. Just just an unbelievable human being. Um.

766
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: The list, the list is so long, you feel like

767
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I you know, I don't want

768
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: to leave anybody out because there are there are a

769
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: ton of guys that I mean. You look at guys

770
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: like Bruce Kazerski, you know, a great guy in a

771
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: in a stand up guy. I've been very fortunate to

772
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: be around a lot of offensive lineman as a as

773
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: a player, a teammate, and as from a broadcast position.

774
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: That's my go to group. You know, when it's when

775
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: when that's uh dicey on, when it's a tough sledding

776
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: as touch, I go to get some lubricant to make

777
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: that a little bit easier from the offensive line. And

778
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: they're always they're always they'll always stand up to it

779
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: and handle it in the right way. So there's Kenny Emerson,

780
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, my roommate for so many years, just a

781
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: just a great guy, just a you know, assault of

782
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: the earth type guy. UM, great father, great family man,

783
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, just a just a phenomenal human being. The

784
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: list goes on and on, and that we're very fortunate,

785
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: I think to be blessed that way. I think that's

786
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: part of when the Bengals have had good teams. That

787
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: has been part of the reason why the chemistry factor

788
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: and chemistry is easy to established, easily established when you

789
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: have good guy Joe Burrows, a great guy, really good

790
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: guy Jamar Chase, great guy, um you know, Sam Hubbard.

791
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: There's leaders. There's great guys and leaders on every phase

792
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: of this current Cincinnati Bengal football team. And that's where

793
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: chemistry comes from. That's where culture comes from. It starts

794
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: with guys that are all in, you know, and all

795
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: about each other. It's it's it's we us, It's not

796
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: I me, and you have to have That's what it's

797
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: all about. All right. Here are the four guys on

798
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: my Bengals. Good guy Mount Rushmore, Anthony Munyo's finest human

799
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: being I've ever met, the most impressive person in any

800
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: walk of life I've ever met. So he's an obvious guy.

801
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: Bloomer Asiasin not only a great player, but really for

802
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: his big heart. Think of what he's done with his

803
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: foundation for cystic fibrosis. They've raised more than one hundred

804
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: and fifteen million dollars to extend lives. Just incredible. I'm

805
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: putting Andy Dalton on the list for Andy and JJ Foundation.

806
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: Think of all they've done for six children and their families,

807
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: those hubs and hospitals, the date nights, the Christmas gifts,

808
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And then I'm putting Andrew Whitworth

809
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: on the list. The NFL Man of the Year last year.

810
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Just phenomenal the years he was in Cincinnati. On a

811
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: personal note, my wife took me out for my birthday

812
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: one year. We're at a fancy restaurant in Cincinnati. It's

813
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: like a Tuesday night or something like that. While we're

814
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: in the restaurant, it happened to be there, came by

815
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: with his wife, said hello, exchange pleasantries. Didn't think much

816
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: of it. At the end of the night when we

817
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: went to pay, he had picked up the tables. Yeah,

818
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: and this was an expensive meal. So that was very

819
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: kind of him. You know, I'm not putting him on

820
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: the Mount Rushmore for that reason, but what a good

821
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: man he is. Yeah, he is. I mean and Anthony

822
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: Muniels and Andrew were Worth have a very very close

823
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: relationship and type bond. Cut from the same cloth. You know,

824
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: it's it's um and it's it's about as uh as

825
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: good a piece of cloth as you can find. You know,

826
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: there's there's no imperfections in that cloth, and they're both

827
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: cut from it. Um major major impacts on their organizations.

828
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: In what's case, two organizations and Anthony's he was briefly

829
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay, but obviously the biggest part of his

830
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame career was with the Cincinnati Bengals and

831
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: ironic two left tackles. You know, so they Bengals had

832
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: a nice run for a lot of years by somebody

833
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: that mean that left hackle position, the blind side of

834
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: the right hand quarterback, that not only was made of

835
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: the right stuff physically, but mentally and spiritually and everything

836
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: to be able to play at a high level for

837
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: a very long time. We moved to our Mount Rushmore

838
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: of Bengals nicknames. Top four Bengals nicknames en franchise history. Okay,

839
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna go. My number one UM is Ben

840
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: Jarvis green ellis the law firm. I mean when they

841
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: when named Ben Jarvis green Ellis Law Firm, it was

842
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: like it was so perfect. I'm like that that's classic.

843
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: That really is. I mean, that's just that's just a

844
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: classic plastic nickname law firm. Um. I like positional nicknames

845
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: more so than individual nicknames. The Web Wilson Whitley, Eddie Edwards,

846
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: Ross Browner, Gary Burley, names w EBB, the web super

847
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: Bowl sixteen that it has, you know, the double meanings

848
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: and all that. Uh, those guys did a great job

849
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: up front, and they formed a web that people had

850
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: to deal with and and uh couldn't couldn't quite solve.

851
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: I like, uh, I like Swat Team as well. You know,

852
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: I liked I like that nickname for that that group

853
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: of guys, uh, for obvious reasons, and it caught on.

854
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: I mean they literally were posterized and uh and to

855
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: this day, Uh, every every Bengal fan you know knows

856
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: knows all about the Swat Team. Um. So, I guess

857
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: I guess those would be those would be the four.

858
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: I guess I've used up my four there? Or is

859
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: that only three? That's three? That's three? Yeah? Um another nickname, Um,

860
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean there's there's there's plenty of uh

861
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: like Ikey Woods. I mean that's that's that's kind of

862
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: a classic classic nickname. The Mexican Connection is another nickname

863
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: from more than one guy Monels in Montoya, but you

864
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: know Elbert Woods, I guess I'd probably go by Yaki

865
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: as well. I think that's that's one of the classic nicknames,

866
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: probably in in franchise history. All right, My Mount Rushmore

867
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: Bengals nicknames. The Rattler. I thought that was great for

868
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: Ken Riley because you know, he got it from his

869
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: alma mater, but it also was descriptive of his, you know,

870
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: style of play, like a rattlesnake attacking getting all those

871
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: sixty five interceptions. The throwing Samoan for Jack Thompson, it's

872
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: a great nickname. Now, he didn't do well in the NFL,

873
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: and people, you know, jokingly changed it to the overthrown Samoan,

874
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: but it was still a great nickname. Ocho Cinco. For

875
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: this reason, the fact that Chad would legally change his

876
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: name in order to be able to put it on

877
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: the back of his uniform, I thought would say exactly

878
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: only Chad Genius. I got to throw the red rifle

879
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: on there because I came up with it. But it's

880
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: stuck for whatever reason, it's stuck. So are my four

881
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: mount Rushmore Bengal nicknames are mount Rushmore of best Bengals

882
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: draft picks. Now this can take into account, you know

883
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: where they were selected, the value, uh so top four

884
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore Bengals draft picks for Dave Lappom, Yeah, I'm

885
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: gonna go uh into this for that reason. Um, that

886
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: these these guys drafted, you know where they were drafted

887
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: for them to pan out to the level that they

888
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: panned out, Um, Bob Trumpy with a twelfth round pick

889
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: in the three hundreds, you know, Uh, that's that's pretty

890
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: good value there. Multiple time Pro bowler Charles Booby Clark

891
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: was drafted I think the seventeenth round Paul Brown, as

892
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: only Paul Brown could goes down to Bethune Cookman. He

893
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: sees this tight end named Charles Clark. That's another great

894
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: nickname though, Booby, That's that's a nickname candidate right there,

895
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: U Booby Clark. He says, this is my big back,

896
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: this is my Marion Motley, this is my you know,

897
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 1: later on Pete Johnson, Booby Clark was a talented guy,

898
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: and uh and they they got a lot of production

899
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: with a very late pick in in in Booby Clark.

900
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: Tim Crumry the tenth pick of the draft. I think

901
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: it's two hundred and seventy six pick. I think he

902
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: was in the in the draft. Tim crum rye uh

903
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: to to play at the level that he played at.

904
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: And I can tell you my last year was his

905
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: rookie year, and he was not happy about being a

906
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,479
Speaker 1: tenth round pick. And Dave Remington was the first round pick,

907
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: and every time we did one on one Nutcracker drill,

908
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: he jumped in there no matter what they had arranged

909
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: by script. So he wanted to go against that first

910
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: round pick in the draft and try to, you know,

911
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: show him that he guys I belong Well, he showed

912
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: he belonged very very early and very very often. So

913
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: I'd say, I'd say he's another one of mine that

914
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: you know that obviously panned out and panned out very

915
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: very well. And then I'm just gonna go with the

916
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: three headed monster of three offensive linemen in the nineteen

917
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: eighty eight Super Bowl team, Max Montoya seventh round pick,

918
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: Joel Walter seventh round pick, Bruce Kazerski ninth round pick.

919
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: Three starters. You know you got the Hall of Famer

920
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: and the you know, the early pick of his draft,

921
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: Anthony Munios. But three of the other four guys you

922
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: know picked in the late one hundreds and into the

923
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: two hundreds and formed U formed a pretty formidable group

924
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: up front there in the offensive line. And that just

925
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: speaks to the genius I think of Jim McNally as

926
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: the offensive land coach. All right. My Mount Rushmore of

927
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: Bengals draft picks also includes Tim cump Crimry for the

928
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: value number two seventy six overall, as you mentioned, arguably

929
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: the best defensive player in franchise history. Similarly, I have

930
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: Geno Atkins on my Mount Rushmore fourth round pick number

931
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: one twenty overall, eight time Pro bowler, most of any

932
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Bengals defensive player All Decade team in the twenty tens.

933
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: So I've got Gino on there. I've got T. J.

934
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: Hushman Zada on my all draft pick Mount Rushmore seventh

935
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: round pick number two oh four overall twenty five wide

936
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: receivers taken before him still holds the franchise record for

937
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: most catches in a season. And then this is not

938
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: a late pick, but I'm putting Anthony Munio's on the list.

939
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: Number three overall only because so many teams took him

940
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: off their board because of his injuries. Only played one

941
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: game a senior year at USC. The Bengals watched him

942
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl. Mike Brown famously said that he

943
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: and Paul laughed watching the game because they knew his

944
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: knee was one hundred percent. And they took the plunge

945
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: at number three overall and wound up with the best

946
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: player in team history. And I remember Forest Greg went

947
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: out there to work him out, and Forrest Greg lined

948
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: up as a defensive end and a wide technique to

949
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: pass rush, and Anthony moved out there effortlessly and flewidly

950
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: and flawlessly and put two hands into Forrest chest and

951
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: jammed him to the ground. Forrest Greg went and Anthony's like,

952
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: oh no, you know, he's like helping him up, and Forest,

953
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: it's good. You're good. We're good. He came back, he said,

954
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: we're drafting him. No fens or butts, We're drafting this guy.

955
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: So what a great move by the Cincinnati Bengals to

956
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: draft Anthony Windows. All right, our next category, the mount

957
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 1: rushmore of assistant coaches in Bengals history. Well, we talked

958
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: about Kenny Anderson being the most important player in franchise history.

959
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: The guy that tutored him, Bill Walsh. Bill Walsh was

960
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: an unbelievable mind football mind and an unbelievable football coach,

961
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: and obviously he went on to great success after after

962
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: leaving this Cincinnati Bengals. But Paul Brown knew what he

963
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: was doing there. Bill Walsh was on that original staff

964
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: and just a dynamic football coach. And I remember Kenny

965
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: talking about how Bill Walsh got him ready to play

966
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: at the National Football League level, you know, over and

967
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: over and over again. The repetition started with defeat, and

968
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: Kenny said, they did footwork for like twice a day

969
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: for a week before they even put a football in

970
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: his hand. And then they started, you know, working through

971
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: the other body mechanics and then ultimately throwing the football.

972
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: And it was a month for he threw the football.

973
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: So he basically took him apart and put him back

974
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: together again. The player from tiny Augustana was draft in

975
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: the third round, and that's a spectacular draft pick as

976
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: well as it turned out to take Kenny Anderson in

977
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: the sixties in the third round, sixty fourth or whatever

978
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: it was. I think that in that particular draft and

979
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: then have Bill Waltz to tutor him and to guide

980
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: him and to mold him into the player that he became.

981
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: And Kenny Will talked freely about it. I mean a

982
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: lot of it's right place, right time, luck Bill Walsh.

983
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: How can you ask for anything better than Paul Brown

984
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: and Bill Walsh as you're a young player coming into

985
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: the league. I feel the same way about another assistant coach,

986
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: my first offensive line coach, Bill Tiger Johnson. Paul Brown

987
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: is the head coach, Bill Tiger john Bill Tiger Johnson's

988
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: my offensive line coach and just an unbelievable teacher the

989
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: game of football, great player himself, Pro Bowl player with

990
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers at center, snapping the ball to

991
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: y A Tittle. So I'm like, I'm gonna listen to

992
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: what this guy says. And he was great. Just a great,

993
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: unbelievable coach to have for your first to experience in

994
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: the National Football League. To have a teacher like that,

995
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: and then another line coach is a great assistant in

996
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: my mind. Jim McNally. You know, Jimmy, Jimmy was, he's

997
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: still He's a guy that's just walking Encyclopedia technique and

998
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: he's always trying to refine and UH and to improve

999
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: and H and rebuild. And then on the defensive side,

1000
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: Dick Lebau he's you know, the zone blitz he was

1001
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: doing here with the Cincinnati Bengals with David Fulcher before

1002
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: Troy Paalamalo in the Pittsburgh Steelers. He was doing a

1003
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: lot of the same things and we're getting the same

1004
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: type of results. Dick Lebou was a phenomenal you know,

1005
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: defensive back in his day. Hall of Famer and two

1006
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: categories player and coach, you know, um, and just as

1007
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: good a defensive coordinator. He was probably the premier guy

1008
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: his time. UM. Hank Bulla, the doctor of defense that

1009
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: we had in Super Bowl sixteen, another unbelievable football mind.

1010
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: He was doing blitzes and doing things defensively that were

1011
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: ahead of his time, you know, So offensively and defensively.

1012
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: There's been some outstanding, outstanding coaches. There's no question I'll

1013
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: throw Darren Simmons in there as far as special teams coaches.

1014
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: He's as good as I've seen and he's been doing

1015
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: it here for a long time. And Mike Brown is

1016
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: a football man, and Mike Brown realizes that he's got

1017
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: something unique and significant in Darren Simmons, and he's kept

1018
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: them and made sure that he's kept them, and that

1019
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: that phase, that third phase has always taken care of

1020
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: and take care of at a very very high level,

1021
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: as high level as you can get. With Darren Simmons. Again,

1022
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: another unbelievable teacher. And that's that's what a football coach is.

1023
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: They'll tell you. You know, I look at myself as

1024
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: a teacher, and these guys are all great teachers. All right,

1025
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: You've got my mount rushmore of assistant coaches covered. I've

1026
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: got Bill Walsh, Dick Lebou, Jim McNally, and also Darren Simmons.

1027
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: I agree with Darren nineteenth year with the team, certainly

1028
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: one of the best special teams coordinators in the end.

1029
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: I will give you my honorable mentions. Mike Zimmer, Frank Ganz,

1030
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: who was a you know, special team's trend setter, certainly

1031
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: helped establish the importance of that coaching position on the staff.

1032
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: Jim Anderson tremendous running backs coach for three decades, and

1033
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm throwing Hugh Jackson in there. It obviously did not

1034
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: work out as an NFL head coach, but he was

1035
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: a great assistant coach no matter where Marvin Lewis put him.

1036
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: And the same thing with Dick Lebau. You know, it

1037
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: didn't work out as a head coach, but does not

1038
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: diminish you know, the achievements and accolades that should be

1039
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: given to those achievements as an unbelievable assistant coach, no

1040
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: question about it. We moved to the Mount Rushmore of

1041
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: Bengals villains. These are opponents that either starred against the

1042
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: Bengals or God under our skin or God under Bengals

1043
00:58:54,440 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: fans skin. The Mount Rushmore of Bengals villains. Yeah, I mean, uh,

1044
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm going to go back to playing days.

1045
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean Pittsburgh Steelers, you know the Steel Curtain. I

1046
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: mean that defense. Uh, Joe green Ernie Holmes, Dwight White.

1047
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: Elsie Greenwood wasn't quite like those guys from a personality standpoint,

1048
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: but he you know, he kind of followed the back.

1049
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: But they just soon spit on you, look at you

1050
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: and literally they would spit on you and kick you

1051
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: in the in the below the waste regions. I mean

1052
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: literally that that would that occurred, all of it. I

1053
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: mean that that that football team. And then you know,

1054
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: in the next level he had Jack Lambert, toothless Jack

1055
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: back there who would just he would a lot of

1056
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: spittle would come between those teeth that would be taken

1057
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: out to play the game. He was, he was, he

1058
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: was something else they had. They had big time intimidating

1059
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: type players, Mel Blunt on the back end, Donnie Shell

1060
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 1: at safety. I mean that was basically a defense full

1061
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: of guys that would would bend the rules as far

1062
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: as they could be bent. But they were great players too,

1063
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,959
Speaker 1: I mean just phenomenal, phenomenal athletes. They were so well

1064
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: put together. George Parlos, their defensive coach that put it together,

1065
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: came up with you know, adjustments and and schematic you know,

1066
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: techniques that were just you know, just outstanding. This phenomenal um.

1067
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: And then I'd have to go with the Cleveland Browns.

1068
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'm stuck in my playing days again. Battle

1069
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: of Ohio. Um, you know Joe Turkey Jones, who monk

1070
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw was on his head. Uh, you know that

1071
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: they were. They were something to deal with as a

1072
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: defensive football team as well. Um, Jerry Shark was a

1073
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: was a great player at the defensive defensive tackle position,

1074
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,479
Speaker 1: and Walter Johnson. The guy played against was Man Mountain Dean.

1075
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: I mean he was a heavyweight wrestling champion and he

1076
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: just he was a powerful, powerful man. They were really

1077
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: good up front. They had excellent linebacker corps. Clay Matthews

1078
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: Senior was playing at that particular time, to Ambrose was

1079
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: at the middle linebacker position. They had Tom Darden and

1080
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: guys like that on the back end that would stone you.

1081
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: They definitely hit you. I'd say, you know that, uh

1082
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 1: that the Cleveland Browns um that Raiders in my era

1083
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: with John Matuzac and otis Sister Drunk and you know

1084
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: from the University of Mars and um and Al Davis

1085
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: famously said, look, um, take it to the limit every

1086
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: single snap play in the gray area. Take it as

1087
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: far as the gray air as you possibly can. And

1088
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: if you if if the penalties start to be a problem,

1089
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: we'll adjust to it and I'll pay the fines. So

1090
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: that that was open season for the for the Raiders

1091
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: to be the Raiders, and they were. They were a

1092
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: defensive team that would would definitely would definitely try to

1093
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: dominate you, and uh uh they back it up. Jack Tatum.

1094
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: When Jack Tatum hits you as a safety, felt like

1095
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty pound linebacker was putting the

1096
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: hammer down on you. He was you know, he was

1097
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: a son of a gun boy. He could play. There's

1098
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: no question about it though. Those are some of the

1099
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: teams and guys that you know that that that come

1100
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: to my mind. Those three, um you know, obviously the

1101
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: Cleveland moved to Baltimore and the Baltimore Ravens. Think of

1102
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: all the all the punishing players that Baltimore Raven defensive

1103
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: football teams have had, you know, from it starts with

1104
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: the Goose up front, Tony Siragusa, Ray Lewis at the

1105
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: linebacker position, all the great linebackers they had, they had

1106
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: tremendous players in the back end. I mean that, that's

1107
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: that's franchise. Baltimore has a history of of mean minded

1108
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: defensive football player. There's no doubt about it. All right,

1109
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: this is good because your Mount Rushmore has four teams

1110
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: featuring guys that went beyond the line of what you're

1111
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: supposed to do. I picked out four individuals that stand

1112
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: out as my villains, my hated opponents. Big Ben Roethlisberger

1113
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: dominated the Bengals for eighteen years, twenty six and ten

1114
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: against Cincinnati, including two playoff wins at Paul Brown Stadium

1115
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: fifteen and four at Paul Brown Stadium, despite the fact

1116
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: that the Bengals beat him his last three times, so

1117
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: he was twenty six and seven before losing his last

1118
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: three head to head games against Cincinnati. I've got Chemo

1119
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: von Olhoffen. I don't think it was a cheap shot

1120
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: to Carson Palmer. I think he just got rolled into

1121
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: his lower leg unfortunately, but that injury changed the trajectory

1122
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: of the franchise, as Paul Docherty from The Enquirer often

1123
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: refers to him, Chemo von axe Murderer, just because of

1124
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: the result of that hit. I've got another Steeler. Joey

1125
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: Porter came on onto the field and the twenty fifteen

1126
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: playoff game that led to the Adam Jones penalty and

1127
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: the Joey Porter rule where assistant coaches can no longer

1128
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: come onto the field when players are injured. He also

1129
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: jumped Leavy Jones at a casino in Las Vegas before that,

1130
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: so I've got him on the list. And then I've

1131
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: got a guy that I like personally, but I put

1132
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: him on Mount Rushmore just because of what his success

1133
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: meant to Bengal's history. And that's Joe Montana one of

1134
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 1: the two Super Bowls six and Ozho and the six

1135
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: games he started against Cincinnati. So those four guys make

1136
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: up my Mount Rushmore of villain slash hated opponents. Next

1137
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore category interview subjects. These are guys that we've

1138
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed interviewing or think we're great interviews over the years.

1139
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: Who comes to mind for you? Yeah, I mean, I

1140
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: think Andrew Worth, you know, is a guy that is very,

1141
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: very high on that list for all the reasons we've

1142
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: he talked about, um, you know, not only his football

1143
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: acumen in his in his football understanding of the game

1144
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: and opponents and all that sort of things the XS knows,

1145
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: but everything else in life. You know, he's one of

1146
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: those guys that just has um a lot to say

1147
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: and says it extremely well. You know. I think, uh,

1148
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: probably Boomersiasen is as good an interview as a player

1149
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: as you could possibly hope to have, and that led

1150
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: to a career in the broadcast world. It's been dynamic,

1151
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: to say the least. You could always kind of Boomers

1152
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: sias and never shirked his responsibility, and I think that's

1153
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: what made him a great leader as well. It's like,

1154
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, boy, that game didn't go well and I

1155
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: didn't play well, but I'm not going to adduct the media.

1156
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get up and face the music and I'm

1157
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: gonna answer questions. And he always did. And I think

1158
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: he garnered a tremendous amount of respect from everybody, not

1159
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: just as teammates, but the media, the city, the region,

1160
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: every everybody. UM. And uh, you know, I think that's

1161
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: I think that's big Chris Collinsworth same way. I mean,

1162
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, obviously great stories, funny guy. Um. And another

1163
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: one who understood the role of the media had in

1164
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: the success and popularity of the National Football League. As

1165
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: a player, understood the significance of of of adding two

1166
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: instead of you know, subtracting from or minimizing coverage, always

1167
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: added two coverage, always gave something more to the media

1168
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: than the than the average player would you know, would

1169
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: go a little bit deeper. So and again that led

1170
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: to a phenomenal career in the broadcast world as well.

1171
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: So I think I think, uh, those three guys are

1172
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, probably my my first three, Um, a fourth boy,

1173
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: I probably probably have to go with a defensive player,

1174
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: because everybody, I think I just had offensive players at

1175
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: this point, huh, A defensive player From a from a

1176
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: media standpoint, I'd have to say Solomon Wilcot's for the

1177
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: same reason. I mean, Sally. You go to Sally after

1178
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: a game and he could tell you the wise and

1179
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: wherefores of everything, Why things worked, why they didn't, adjustments

1180
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: that were made, adjustments that should have been made. Um,

1181
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: same plays that were made, plays that shouldn't have been

1182
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: that shouldn't have been made. So Solomon Wilcot's keen understanding

1183
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: of the game of football, but not just again, not

1184
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: just x's and os, but applying it to all right,

1185
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: I understand that the game of football and the National

1186
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: Football League is extremely popular for a reason, and so

1187
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: he added to that and he still does to this day.

1188
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: So he understood that dynamic as a player, and he

1189
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: understands that dynamic as a you know, in the broadcast

1190
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: world as well. And it is quite remarkable how many

1191
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: guys have gone from player to broadcast in from the

1192
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Banals, it really is. And Bob Trumpy, you know,

1193
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 1: was the original and another great example of a guy

1194
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: that's I mean, Trump was the media battled to get

1195
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: in front of his locker, you know, after a game

1196
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: back in the day because Trump was drunk. He pulled

1197
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: no punches, no holds barred man. He put it out

1198
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: there and it led to sports talk, the godfather of

1199
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: sports talk here in the city of Cincinnati, into a

1200
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame broadcast career covering the National Football League.

1201
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,440
Speaker 1: And of that list that you just gave with Boomer Collinsworth, Wilcots,

1202
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: and Andrew Whitworth. If whit wants to get into broadcasting,

1203
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: he'll be a superstar too. My interview list includes two

1204
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: of the four that you mentioned. I've got wit on

1205
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: the list. Articulate, thoughtful, he always tautes something. I mean,

1206
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys you talk in for five

1207
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: minutes and at the end of it you're like, huh,

1208
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. That's great. I've got Chris Collinsworth

1209
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: on there again, smart, colorful, honest, just great as a

1210
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: player and great. Now I've got Frank Pollock on my list.

1211
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: I really enjoy his news conferences. They're colorful, they're interesting.

1212
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed the one on one conversations that I've had

1213
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: with him. I did that fun Facts last year where

1214
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: I just gave him like former teammates that he played,

1215
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: and he had a great story about everybody really good.

1216
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: And then my fourth, which might surprise some people, is

1217
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: Adam Jones because totally unfiltered, impossible of BS sometimes got

1218
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: himself into trouble with some of the things he said,

1219
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: but I've always said that I thought that Andrew Adam

1220
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: Jones brother was a tremendous interview subject. Final Mount Rushmore category,

1221
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: our Mount Rushmore of what ifs in Bengals history. You're

1222
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: nodding your head. These are probably going to be some

1223
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: wistful moments of things that, had they gone slightly differently,

1224
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: Bengals history would have changed for the better. Well, I

1225
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: guess you know, I'm going to reverse a lot of

1226
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: the painful moments, you know, I mean, you know, what

1227
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: if what if? What if one mental error didn't occur

1228
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: in the four play sequence of the goal line stand

1229
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl sixteen up in Pontiac, Michigan, and Bengals

1230
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: had scored a touchdown? What if? I mean, would that

1231
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 1: football game have ultimately changed? Would the outcome have been different?

1232
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: Don't know, but would have had a hell of a

1233
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: lot better chance. There's no question about it. What if

1234
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: Lewis Billips had squeezed the interception in Super Bowl twenty three.

1235
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's game over, you know at

1236
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: that point if he holds onto that football, God rest

1237
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: his soul. He didn't, Um, you know that. I think that, Uh,

1238
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: you know that that might have had a different outcome.

1239
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: If Tim Crumbright doesn't shatter his leg, you know, in

1240
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: that football game, might have had a different outcome. Um.

1241
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: What if the Bengals offensive line were capable of providing

1242
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: better protection for Joe Burrow in Super Bowl fifty six,

1243
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: particularly in the second half of that football game. Um

1244
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: that that that last game, of that last play, It's

1245
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: just mind boggling to me when I look back on it,

1246
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: because they had the perfect call, the slide protection double team.

1247
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald was handled improperly from a technique standpoint, allowed

1248
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: him to win outside and uh and he affected the game.

1249
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 1: And he affected the second half of that football game

1250
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: way way too much. There's there's uh, there's no question

1251
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: about it. So I'd say that, uh, you know, reversing

1252
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: reversing some of the uh, the order of the Super

1253
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: Bowl outcomes. I think I think would be a would

1254
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: be a good starting point, all right, my Bengals mount

1255
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: rushmore of what ifs. I'll go back to something that

1256
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 1: I covered earlier. What if Greg Cook didn't get hurt

1257
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: or if rotator cuffs were repaired then like they are now,

1258
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: you would probably have a couple of Super Bowl rings.

1259
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: And what where would Kenny Anderson have been? Where would

1260
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: his NFL career have been? If Greg Cook had not

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Speaker 1: been injured, there would have been no Kan Anderson here

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnatis. That would have been a huge what if

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Speaker 1: because it would have changed the history of the franchise dramatically,

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Speaker 1: you know, from a player perspective, a player standpoint, I

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Speaker 1: also have what if Jeremy Hill didn't fumble? Marvin Lewis

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Speaker 1: doesn't have that stigma of no playoff wins? He would

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Speaker 1: have had his first. Could the Bengals have gone to

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Speaker 1: New England the next week with a J. McCarron at

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Speaker 1: quarterback and defeated the Patriots. Probably not. It probably just

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Speaker 1: would have been one playoff win. But still it'd be

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Speaker 1: nice for Marvin dab One. Yeah, would it? Would? It

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Speaker 1: would have you know, gotten that just on a monkey

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Speaker 1: that's a five hundred pound gorilla, you know, on the back.

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Speaker 1: And with Bill Belichick coaching a J. McCarron would have

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Speaker 1: been challenged, There's no question about it. The entire football

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Speaker 1: team offense would have been challenged. Bill Belichick's as good

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Speaker 1: as there is when you get to the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: changing game plans and adjustments, and he's the wizard, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Here's one that you can speak to. What if Paul

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Speaker 1: Brown did not retire in nineteen seventy five Bengals were

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Speaker 1: eleven and three. You were on the team his final year.

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Speaker 1: That's the best winning percentage they've ever had in a season.

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Speaker 1: He was sixty seven years old, so he was getting

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Speaker 1: up there. But Bill Belichick is sixty nine right now,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll is seventy. Guys are doing it nowadays at

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Speaker 1: that age. What would have happened if Paul decided to

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Speaker 1: stick it out for a few more years. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a really good what if because back then

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Speaker 1: coaches didn't coach, you know, into their seventies and and

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Speaker 1: you know Paul, I think Paul was a believer in

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01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 1: you get to a certain age it's time to move on.

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Speaker 1: A player gets to a certain stage of his career,

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Speaker 1: it's time to think about that player, you know, moving

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Speaker 1: on or retiring or trading or whatever. It wasn't that

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 1: he was incapable. He was still sharp his attack mentally.

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Speaker 1: I mean, nothing had slipped in that regard. And uh

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Speaker 1: and I was pretty surprised because we were pretty good,

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Speaker 1: you know, eleven and three record, and two of the

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Speaker 1: losses to the eventual Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers, both

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Speaker 1: of them within range, I mean within a touchdown each

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Speaker 1: time one score games. It's not like we were being

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Speaker 1: man handled and lost to the Raiders. I think it

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Speaker 1: was that year as well, who were pretty good football team.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a that's a great what if. There's

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. I think part of it

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Speaker 1: too was Bill Johnson had already turned down coach head

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Speaker 1: coaching opportunit unities. I noted the forty nine Ers for

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Speaker 1: one opportunity that came up as the great former All

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Speaker 1: Pro center there. They wanted him to come back and

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Speaker 1: be the head coach. He'd proven himself as an assistant.

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Speaker 1: Need he said no, Paul's told me I'm the guy

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Speaker 1: when he steps down. I liked the potential opportunity here,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, because I mean the following year we went

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Speaker 1: ten and four, still had a really good football team,

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Speaker 1: ten and four and didn't make the playoffs. Ten and

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Speaker 1: four record the Oilers, you know, we got the additional

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Speaker 1: wild card spot. Steelers won the division. Oilers got the

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Speaker 1: wild card. With the ten and four mark, we sat brutal.

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Speaker 1: All right, my final, my fourth and final what if

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Speaker 1: on my Mount rushmore of what ifs? What if? In

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Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety nine draft, Brown select him Couch number one.

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Speaker 1: Eagles take Donovan McNabb number two. Now the Bengals around

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Speaker 1: the clock, Mike Ditka calls from the Saints offers all

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Speaker 1: of their nineteen ninety nine draft picks, six picks, including

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Speaker 1: number twelve overall, plus their first round pick in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and their third round pick in two thousands, So

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Speaker 1: that's eight draft picks for the number three overall spot.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals say thanks, but no thanks, and take Achille

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Speaker 1: Smith instead. Now, the Redskins eventually took the Saints offer,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't become a powerhouse as a result, So

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Speaker 1: you still got to nail the draft picks. But Achille

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Speaker 1: Smith was, you know, such a disaster unfortunately that he

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Speaker 1: can't help. But wonder what would have happened if the

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Speaker 1: Bengals had taken that offer from the Saints. Absolutely, and Bruce,

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Speaker 1: Bruce Costlet. I wonder what Bruce Costlet's thinking these days

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Speaker 1: if they he was the head coach at the time,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I know that he would have made

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Speaker 1: the trade. There's no old question about it. He would

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Speaker 1: have made that trade. You definitely, it's it's a quarterback

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Speaker 1: driver the league, even more so now than then, but

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Speaker 1: it was then as well. Um, But man, that's a

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Speaker 1: lot of capital. That's a ton of capital. At some

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Speaker 1: point in time, the odds dictate that you're you're gonna

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Speaker 1: you're gonna find a quarterback or enough people around a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that is capable to make me even play at

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Speaker 1: a higher level. I mean, that's one that if history,

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Speaker 1: if you could go back in history and change it,

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Speaker 1: I think you might want to think about that possibility.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you an unbelievable nugget that occurred

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Speaker 1: to me as I was coming up with my what

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Speaker 1: ifs in Bengal's history. That draft was one draft before

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Speaker 1: the Patriots selected Tom Brady. A Keiley Smith is only

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Speaker 1: two years older than Tom Brady. How about that? That crazy?

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Speaker 1: That is crazy? That is crazy. The one thing that

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Speaker 1: every time I start thinking about drafts. The nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: four Pittsburgh Steel the drafts five Hall of famers and

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Speaker 1: one of them wasn't even drafted. Donnie Shell seventeen rounds

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Speaker 1: in the draft in nineteen seventy four. Donnie Shell didn't

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Speaker 1: even get drafted in seventeen rounds. Science is a college

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Speaker 1: free agent and goes to the Hall of Fame. But

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Speaker 1: they drafted Lin Swan in the first round, Jack Jack

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Speaker 1: Lambert in the second round. Let's see, Mike Webster was

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Speaker 1: drafted in the in the fifth round. I think Stalworth

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Speaker 1: was drafting the fourth I believe. So four Hall of

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Speaker 1: famers in the first five rounds of the draft. Talk

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Speaker 1: about putting the bat in the ball in a draft?

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? And then to get all time

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Speaker 1: great safety in the history of the National Football League

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Speaker 1: is a college free agent out of South Carolina State. Crazy.

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Speaker 1: You know, Cincinnati is the city of seven Hills. We

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Speaker 1: got a lot of room for these mount Rashmars. We

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Speaker 1: can carve them into hill sides in the Cincinnati area

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Speaker 1: will be good. Yeah. Really, there's a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of hills, a lot of hills that could could

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Speaker 1: support Mount Rushmore's Absolutely yeah, and it would. It would

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Speaker 1: keep a lot of sculptors busy for a while. That's

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Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of The Bengals

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