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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one Tay

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Speaker 1: in the show, we're joined by longtime outdoor writer and

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Speaker 1: renowned big buck hunter Don Haggin's and we're talking all

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Speaker 1: about how he hunts the various phases of the rut

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Speaker 1: in pursuit of mature bucks. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sitka Gear.

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Speaker 1: And today on the show, we are joined again by

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Speaker 1: one of our past podcast guests, Don Higgins. And Don

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Speaker 1: is a widely respected and experienced outdoor writer and deer hunter.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the guys I've personally learned the most

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Speaker 1: from about deer hunting too. So that said, he was

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Speaker 1: an easy choice for us to bring back on the show.

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Speaker 1: And the first time we talked with Don was back

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and fourteen and we discussed late season hunting.

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Speaker 1: Last year we had him on again and we discussed

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Speaker 1: traild cameras. And today we're going to have him on

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Speaker 1: a third time to talk about the Super Bowl of

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Speaker 1: the deer hunting year, the pre rut and rut time frames.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be good stuff and applicable to your

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Speaker 1: hunts in the coming days and weeks. That said, though,

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Speaker 1: before we get into that, I want to give you

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Speaker 1: a quick update on something that's kind of cool. We

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Speaker 1: just launched a brand new Wire to Hunt T shirt

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Speaker 1: design this week. Have you seen that, Dan, I have

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Speaker 1: seen it. I haven't got it in the mail yet,

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Speaker 1: but but I've seen it. Looks pretty cool. I will

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Speaker 1: have my wife's son one out today for you. So this, this,

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Speaker 1: this T shirt design is pretty cool. I'm excited about.

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Speaker 1: It features a bunch of our favorite hunting words and

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Speaker 1: phrases and the last stuff we stay here on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and he uses those words to form the Wired Hunt logo.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you saw, Dan, but it

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Speaker 1: even says that being said on there. I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: I saw that. So yeah, pretty pretty cool. And actually

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Speaker 1: what's interesting is the shirt was actually the logo design

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Speaker 1: was created by a Wired Hunt listener, so perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very cool. So if you want to check out those

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Speaker 1: November and celebration of the RUT. And you can get

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Speaker 1: is it for my little infomercial. I got a quick question, Yeah, uh,

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Speaker 1: will they if I wear that out in the woods?

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Speaker 1: Will Will you guarantee me opportunity at a big Buck?

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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you and opportunity. I cannot guarantee you'll

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Speaker 1: make the shot count, Okay, alright, alright, as long as

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Speaker 1: I get the opportunity, that's all I care about. I'll

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Speaker 1: do the rest, all right. I'm gonna count on you

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Speaker 1: for that one, Dan, Okay. So speaking of that, then,

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Speaker 1: the last thing we have to do before we get

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Speaker 1: done on here is share our updates from the field.

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Speaker 1: And we both have some stuff to share. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to kick that off? No? I don't. I'm interested

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Speaker 1: on hearing what you have to say about this whole

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Speaker 1: holy field, because I'll be honest, I've been freaking really

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Speaker 1: busy not only with work, but with family. And I

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Speaker 1: feed me. Yes, Well it's been exciting past couple of days, dude,

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Speaker 1: it's been as exciting as it gets. Um. So you know,

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Speaker 1: this past weekend I was up north and our northern

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Speaker 1: So I watched him chase is still back out in

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Speaker 1: the hiccups. So he then though heard some rustling over

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Speaker 1: So we heard that, and he started running right towards me. Again.

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Speaker 1: He was coming right into the edge of the food plot,

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Speaker 1: This other younger buck had gone, and him and two

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Speaker 1: And that was basically it. He did show up again

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Speaker 1: because the temperature drops back down again on Saturday and

427
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Speaker 1: Sunday and uh you know, and then i work Monday,

428
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: the thirty one, and then I'm off from the first

429
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: to the sixteenth. So you're off the first, the first through. Yep,

430
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: that's a new development, isn't it. That is a new development. Wow?

431
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: So well, I knew I was going to take that

432
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: time off. It's still debatable on where I will be hunting,

433
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: if it's gonna be on my main arm or close

434
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: to here. So yeah, about that I don't know I'll

435
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: be able to hunt. I just don't know if I'm

436
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 1: going to be able to, you know, be away from

437
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: the family for that entire sixteen days. Right. Well, hey,

438
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: either way though, that's that's gonna increase your odds dramatically

439
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: because I feel like we we record an episode last

440
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: week or something where you were talking about just having

441
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: like one week of vacation, right right, and uh, it

442
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: was It's just one of those things where I really

443
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: don't know what is going to happen until the day of,

444
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of it, to be honest with you,

445
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: and I hate to say it is on my wife's attitude.

446
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm gonna I'm only going to talk

447
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: about it when she's happy, and if she's not happy,

448
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: then you know, it may just but you know, I

449
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: just you just don't mention it. Uh. And I'll tell

450
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: you what. For all the guys out there who have

451
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: wives and you have kids, bow hunting this time of

452
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: year is kind of a very selfish sport, right, I mean,

453
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: you're you're not part You're not involving your wife in

454
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: this except for maybe dropping you off and on the

455
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: four wheeler. You know, I'm sure, she appreciate appreciates that mark.

456
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: But but you know, it's one of those things where

457
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: let them know how much this means to you and

458
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: how much you know, you understand that you're walking away

459
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: for a while and if you're if your guys as

460
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: kids are like my kids. Uh, she is going to

461
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: hate being a single parent for you know, sixteen days

462
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: or um, however many days there are. And I really

463
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: appreciate her. I love her very much for for doing that. Um.

464
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: It's a battle at times, but she she gets it,

465
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: she understands, and I understand the frustration that she has

466
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: to go through too. So make sure you guys tell

467
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: your wives or ship it's two thousand sixteen, you tell

468
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: your husband, uh, if that you appreciate them. Oh Dan,

469
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: I uh, I really want to keep this on track here,

470
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: all right? What I It's funny man mentioned this because

471
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: I literally just before we started recording this podcast, stop

472
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: my wife and I was just like, hey, you know,

473
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: keep it, keep it together, keep it together. Damn. I

474
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: told my wife. I'm like, hey, I just want you

475
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: to know how much I appreciate you being cool with this.

476
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: You know, from this point on, you it's probably gonna

477
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: be crazy hunting every day and working late at night,

478
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be a bad husband for the next

479
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And you know, just like you mentioned

480
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: with your wife, she's she gets it and supportive, and

481
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: it's it's we're very luckily, very lucky to have supportive wives.

482
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: So so that's said, my wife's to the point now

483
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: where some of the pressure on me. She puts a

484
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: little pressure on me, like, yeah, go out and kill

485
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: that buck. Why did why did you do that? Why?

486
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 1: Like she's asking me questions that you know sometimes need

487
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: to be asked. Why didn't you move that stand close

488
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: to the buck? Um, that's a that's a pretty good question, Kylie.

489
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: I wish that thing. Yeah, why don't you Why don't

490
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: you shoot one tonight? Uh? Well, um, yeah, I tried. Well,

491
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: just hurry up and go shoot one. Like okay, I

492
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: have I have a like a white board next to

493
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: my desk that I sometimes put, like to do list

494
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: items on there, and then sometimes when there's like honey

495
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: dew stuff, Kylie will put some things on there. And

496
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: right now, in big red letters, she wrote killing old

497
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: buck exclamation point. So so she she's trying to keep

498
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: me on keep me on task. Yeah, oh you know,

499
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: life life, but life life is exciting right now for

500
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: us as deer hunters. So dude, it is it is

501
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: pre rut right now. I've talked to so many guys

502
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: around here right now who are seeing heavy chasing right now, um,

503
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: and they are. You know, it's it's that time where

504
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: I think, like what I saw from the stand on Friday,

505
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: these first does are coming into Estrus. You know, we

506
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: talked about that bell curve all the time, that that

507
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: beginning of the bell curve is starting right now. And

508
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: what's what's special about that is when there's just a

509
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: few of those doughs coming in, all the bucks are

510
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: going to be starting to try to find that early dough.

511
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: So if you happen to be in the spot where

512
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: that dough is hit it hard, right That's that's what

513
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: seems to be happening by me. Like like I said,

514
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: I've had mature bucks chasing doughs around already out in

515
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: broad daylight. So I've hunted two days in a row.

516
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm back in today and hunting in tomorrow and just

517
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: try to be there one that getting is good man,

518
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get lucky. So I guess though, we should

519
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: wrap up our intro here and get done on because

520
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: maybe he'll hell the advice that you and me need

521
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: to finally kill a deer. Oh, I need like more

522
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: than just advice. I need like someone driving my body

523
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: in my brain. I don't think you can do that

524
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: for it, but we can ask. I suppose all right? Well,

525
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: with that said that, gosh, I said that said even

526
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: more than usual today, I feel like it's on the

527
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: T shirt. On the T shirt, buy that T shirt.

528
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: You're subconsciously trying to get people to buy stuff from you,

529
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: aren't you. I think that might be it. So I

530
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: don't even know how to transition anymore. Moving on, let's

531
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: take a break for a word from our sponsors at

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533
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534
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: to thank our partners at Sick of Gear for their

535
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536
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546
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Speaker 1: And now let's get back to the show and give

558
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: Don Higgins a call. All right, will us on the line? Now?

559
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: Is Don Higgins? Welcome back to the show down. Well,

560
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: thanks for having me mark towas a pleasure. Yeah, ditto

561
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: on our end, We're we're excited chat with you and

562
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: like we're just saying, you're our first three time guest

563
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: on the show, so pressure is high on you today

564
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: because we're expecting great things. Well, you guys must be

565
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: getting pretty desperate. Yeah, that could be it. That could

566
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: be a um. But but that said, you know we've

567
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: already introduced you in the past. I think people know

568
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: who you are and what you do. UM. So what

569
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm most interested in right now because me and Dan

570
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 1: have just spent the previous twenty minutes talking about how

571
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: our hunting seasons are going so far, I'm curious for you.

572
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: How are things going for you so far? Well, you

573
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: know the older I guess it seems like the last

574
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: hunting I do in October for the really big box.

575
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: I know every year you get on social media and

576
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: you see something really big when it's killed in October.

577
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: But for a guy, that one guy to go out

578
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: and consistently do it stuff And I've just found that

579
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm a little better off to put less pressure on

580
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: my stands and hunting areas in October and then hit

581
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: it hard in November. So that's pretty much what I've done.

582
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: Have you gone at all? Yeah, I've gone, I don't know,

583
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: maybe five or six times all evenings. I don't known

584
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: a single October morning. I probably not hunted a single

585
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: October morning in over twenty years. Now. Um, the older

586
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: I get, the more I put things together, I start

587
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: playing the odds, and the odds are so slim on

588
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: October morning for one guy to do it consistently that

589
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: I just don't even go out and put the pressure

590
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: on my stands or my hunt areas. So uh, I

591
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: will hunts October evenings because in the right condition, you know,

592
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: you get a cool front coming there or something like that,

593
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: and you can have success in October. But I like

594
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: to play the odds. Like I said, in November is

595
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: much better time. Yeah. So I've seen a little bit

596
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: on social media and your blog where you've been talking

597
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: about your number one buck for this year, you call

598
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: him Trump. Can you tell us about that buck that

599
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: he's he's an absolute stud. Yeah, He's a buck that

600
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: I have pictures of every summer since two thousand twelve.

601
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: That was the first years that I could identify him.

602
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: Going back through old pictures. Um, he really has never

603
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: been I mean, he's always been a nice buck. Last

604
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: year he was probably maybe in the h he might

605
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: have hit one sixty. He was definitely over one fifty. Um,

606
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: he's good. But I'm always looking for those really top

607
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: end bucks and he just wasn't wanted I put any

608
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: attention to at all. But in this summer when I

609
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: got his picture, he had exploded and I'm certain he's

610
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: over one eighty now uh sixteen points, and he may

611
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: even be over one try to be conservative. But the

612
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: bad thing is is that every year he's summers in

613
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: an area where I get his picture consistently throughout the summer,

614
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: and then he disappears in early October and he's not

615
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: to be seen against the entire season in that area.

616
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: And since he was never one that I really focused on,

617
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: or buck that really showed potential to be something huge

618
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: in the future, I just never spent any time trying

619
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: to learn worry Wind or anything. Well, I got my

620
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: last picture of the October seventh, and ironically I went

621
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: in that that afternoon to hunt a stand, and I

622
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: had a new cellular camera that I put up on

623
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: a scrape about twenty yards from my stand, and that night,

624
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: about ten o'clock, I get my first picture from that

625
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: camera and it's Trump. He's at the scrape work, so

626
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: I think he was kind of rubbing my nose in

627
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: a little bit. But in the past, he's six years old.

628
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: This year I figured from from trail camera history, and

629
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: in the past, you know, he was about like any

630
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: other buck. I get day pictures and night pictures. But

631
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: this year I probably got over two pictures pretty easy

632
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: over the course of the summer and early fall, and

633
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: I have yet to get a single daylight photo of

634
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: the buck. And during the summer when he was in

635
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: Fell that there was two three year old bucks that's

636
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: part of his bachelor group, and I would get those

637
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: those bucks. But every time I get Trump's picture in

638
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: the summer at night, those bucks would be with him.

639
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: But I would also get those bucks during the day,

640
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: but Trump would never go with him and step out

641
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: with him during the day. So you know, he's truly nocturnal. Um,

642
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: so it's gonna make it tough that the fact that

643
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: he's nocturnal, in the fact that he shifts his range

644
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: in the fall, is making it really tough. Yeah, you've

645
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: got You've got two really common issues. I feel like

646
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: I hear stone people with this issue, like, Hey, I've

647
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: got this. He's here in the summer, but he switches

648
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: to a new spot when the fall comes around. So

649
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: I guess I'm curious about the two parts of this issue.

650
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: So let's tackle the first part. When you have a

651
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: buck that typically does not spend time or as much

652
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: time when you're farm during the fall, how do you

653
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: go about, I mean, how do you go about trying

654
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: to deal with that? Are you trying to get permission

655
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: on new properties around there or do you just hope

656
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: he shows back up or what do you do? Yeah,

657
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: and this this funk is not on my property. He's

658
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: just on a property that I have permission to hunt.

659
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: And it's not much cover at all, really, it's kind

660
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: of out and open. Agg area was like corn and

661
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: soybean fields, just some little draws and such here and there.

662
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: And there's always a bachelor group that stays in this area.

663
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: So that is why I've always got a camera out

664
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: there in the summer. Um. But during hunting season, there's

665
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: very few deer once the crops come out and the

666
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: ground gets killed. Yeah, there's very very little hunting pressure

667
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: in that area or deer activity. There's there's plenty of

668
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: hunting pressure. But so when when he shifts his range,

669
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: what I've been doing is shifting cameras in the direction

670
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: I believe he goes, and I've now got his picture

671
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: in four different locations. The extreme from one extreme camera

672
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: to the other is over three quarters of a mile away.

673
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: I was pretty confident two directions he did not go,

674
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: because I hunt properties in those directions and I felt

675
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: that if that buck was alive in the past five

676
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: years in on those areas, I would have got his

677
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: pictures at some time. And since I did, and I

678
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: figured he was going one of the other two directions.

679
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: So I've been shifting my focus that direction, moving cameras

680
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: that direction, getting permission on new hunting properties and such.

681
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: But so far I haven't haven't got a crack at him,

682
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: and things aren't really looking good. I actually figure if

683
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: I can just lay eyes on that buck one time

684
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: this season, that I'll be lucky. And well I'm really

685
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: doing is setting the groundwork for to kill him next

686
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: year or two. If he survives, if I can learn

687
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: some things through the trail cameras and such, and and

688
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: nowhere to be in the future. I'm kind of playing

689
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: catchup all the time. Now I'm on his tail, and

690
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: instead of chasing the deer's tail, I'd rather be in

691
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: front of him waiting on him to show up. I'm

692
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: just trying to I'm laying the groundwork now to make

693
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: that happen in future. So are you are you currently

694
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: hunting any their bucks or is this kind of an

695
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: all or nothing scenario for Trump? Well, it's not all

696
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: or nothing. I've got a couple of other bucks, uh

697
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: that I would shoot. One of them is uh actually

698
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: in Trump's area. He's a five by four with split

699
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: brows and split G two, so he's got thirteen total points.

700
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: He's a five year old buck that I don't know

701
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: if he'll hit one seven he's he's easily over one sixty.

702
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: But that's a buck that I would shoot in my

703
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: quest for Trump if that one comes along, and I'm

704
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: definitely gonna take a shot at him. So and he's

705
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: another one that it's the same scenario. He summers out

706
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: in that same area where Trump does, although this summer

707
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 1: they didn't. I never got their picture at the same time,

708
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: so it's almost like there was two different groups of bucks.

709
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: Trump was there all summer, and then then the other

710
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: buck would pass through from time to time. And so

711
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna be another tough customer that I don't know

712
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: they'll ever get a crack at at. Now. I'll give

713
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: it a shot. And then I've got another farm it's

714
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: good probably oh forty five minutes from there, that there's

715
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: a real good buck there that I've seen in development

716
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: this summer that I'll be after him. So how it goes? Yeah, Yeah,

717
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: And I've got a pretty good buck on another property

718
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: that he's five years old and knows over one seventy.

719
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: I got his sheds from last year, and I've got

720
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: one video. I don't know two or three years, but

721
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: I'd like to put one more year on that buck

722
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: and let him get to at least six and hopefully

723
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: he's got a big grossberg. Anyone you get up close

724
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: to two, Wow, I will tell that would be that

725
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: would be pretty incredible. So I want to go back

726
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: to the sort of the Trump issue or any of

727
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: these things that you mentioned. In addition to him relocating,

728
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: he's also completely nocturnal, at least as far as pictures go.

729
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: What do you usually do in that kind of situation,

730
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: when you've got a buck the year after he's mostly nocturnal,

731
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: what's how do you deal with that? Well, I believe

732
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: in that case there's really only two times when you

733
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: have a legitimate chance to kill that buck with a

734
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: bow and now with again, if you're on drive or

735
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: something like that, it can always happen. If you step

736
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: on a buck's tail, he's not gonna be nocturnal any longer.

737
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna get help and run from you and maybe

738
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: run into danger. But the two times are he's either

739
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: with the hot though, um, he'll be on his feet then.

740
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: But but even that is somewhat you know, to be

741
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: in the location where that hot doese out when she's

742
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: there and everything, it's a pretty slim odds proposition. So

743
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: but I'll be out there. I mean, if the odds

744
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: are one percent, I'm still going to back there trying.

745
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's a key time. The other is in

746
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: the late winter, for the late season, when you get

747
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: a really cold snap and the deer on on the food.

748
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: If you can find a good food source bearing a

749
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: really bitter cold spell in the late season, that's when

750
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: the nocturnal bucks are on their feet in the daylight.

751
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean that even Trumps. The rut so about the

752
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: thing about Trump is he's not hunting on any property

753
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: that I manage in any way whatsoever. It's just it's

754
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: just knocking on doors for permission, and um, the food

755
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: sources are gonna be what's there, you know, if a

756
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: farmer happens to you know, not harvest corner of his

757
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: field or something like that. And that's the only the

758
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: only food sources that that I know of, or I've

759
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: discovered yet where where Trump may be feeding. This winner

760
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of have to hope to get lucky and have

761
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: a spout with decent food. That's that's a tough situation.

762
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: I think so many of us, I mean, being able

763
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: to plant food plots and all that kind of stuff.

764
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: It's it's even though us in the media probably talked

765
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: about a lot, I don't know if the majority of

766
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: I think probably the majority of hunters out there don't

767
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: have that ability. And I think that's a challenge because

768
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: there's definitely some inherent advantages of being able to put

769
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: in the specific type of food you want in the

770
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: right place that you want it. I mean, that's a huge,

771
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: huge benefit it's been helping me this season so far

772
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: and every year really on my main Michigan property. So

773
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: that's tricky. What. Yeah, And I mean I've got properties

774
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: that I'm my own or release or manage in some

775
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: degree where I'm allowed to plant food plots, and it

776
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: makes it several times easier on these bucks. But I

777
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: also I'm got a lot of the bucks I own

778
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: are not on properties that I managed, just like Trump.

779
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: But it's just it's as real world as it gets

780
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: you out there competing with other hunters. For example, I mean,

781
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: I was about a week or so ago, I put

782
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: a stand up on a new property where I can

783
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: hunt Trump, or where I suspect he may be running.

784
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: And I got another cellular camera and I said, I'd

785
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: better put that up on that property. And I went

786
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: in and a week after I put my stand up

787
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: to put this camera up, and uh, in that week's time,

788
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: someone put a stand twenty yards from the stand out

789
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: hunt for Trump. So if I get him, it's gonna

790
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: be right in the heat of the competition. It's not

791
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna be an easy buck by any means. Yeah, that's

792
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: the worst. I don't know if I had mentioned this

793
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: earlier on an earlier podcast, Dan tell me if I did.

794
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: But I've got a buddy who set a tree stand

795
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, and then he came back to

796
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: hunt it, and somebody used his ladder, climbed up into

797
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: his tree stand and set a tree stand eighteen inches

798
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: away on the neighboring tree. So this guy, he potentially

799
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: could be sitting right next to another guy if they

800
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: actually wanted to say, I guess they can shake hands

801
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: and talk about the hunt. Well, they're sitting there. Yeah,

802
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: what happens if they both both shoot the buck at

803
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: the same time. I don't think it'd be good. Well,

804
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: that'll probably make social media whatever happens, Oh yeah, that's

805
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: for sure. My my buddy was like, Man, if I

806
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: didn't like deer hunting so much, and if I didn't

807
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: actually want to shoot a deer, I would just sit

808
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: that stand every single day until he showed up to

809
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: try to hunt it. So I could like telling like,

810
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: what are you doing? But the back on topic down.

811
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm curious about. It's late October. There's

812
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, five days left this month or something like that.

813
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people approach this and

814
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: they kind of lumping into this category of pre run

815
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: For most people, that seems to be that pre rut

816
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: time period. What is your approach during these last days

817
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: of October? You know, actually this time of the year,

818
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm getting projects done around the house, because when November

819
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: rolls around, I want to be hitting it hard. I

820
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: don't want to do anything else except h I try

821
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: to hunt every single morning, every single evening, and a

822
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: lot of times all day during November. Okay, so, and

823
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I say, I just wrote an article about this. Actually

824
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: it's not even come out yet. I think too many

825
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: guys jumped again with the rud hunting. They don't want

826
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: to start, you know, and the last week October and

827
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: ghat it hard. By the time mid November rolled around,

828
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: or especially late November, um, they're burned out and they're

829
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: not hunting near as hard as they were. And I

830
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: feel a much better approach is to uh, I don't

831
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: even hunt hard the first few days of November usually,

832
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: but when Thanksgiving rolls around, I'm still hitting hard. That

833
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: that's when you can kill a really big bucks. There's

834
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: two times during the rug when the big boys are

835
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: really on their feet, and one is the seventh and

836
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: eighthan November, And I know there's a lot of other

837
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: guys promoted their scene dates as well, Bill Winky for one,

838
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: that's route about November seven many times. My friend Tim Walmsley,

839
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: who's the official scorer for Boone and Crockett, tells me

840
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: that there's more booners killed on November seventh and eighth

841
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: and any other dates year after year, that that's the

842
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: dates when the big boys are on the move, but

843
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: that those aren't quite in heat yet. Once you get

844
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: past the eighth and the does are coming in and

845
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: the bucks are tied up with the doughs. But the

846
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: seventh and eighth or two days that I will sit

847
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: in and stand all day long. Um, so that's a

848
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: prime time. And then Thanksgiving weekend, uh a few days

849
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: following Thanksgiving. There at the end November, the does are

850
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: starting to hot dose becoming fewer and farther between, so

851
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: those mature bucks have to spend more time looking for him.

852
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: So and I feel by that time of the season

853
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: a lot of bill hunters have burnt themselves out or

854
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: they're not hitting the air is hard. Um, They're starting

855
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: to sleep in more mornings and they don't sit in

856
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: there stand quite as long as they were in early November.

857
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: So this time of the year, I'm really I'm fighting

858
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: the air because I want to be out there as

859
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: bad as anybody, but I know that I need to

860
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: keep them stands fresh. You can keep my hunting areas fresh.

861
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: And so I back off a little bit. And I

862
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: was just looking at the weather forecast for this year

863
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: in our area, and Friday the fourth, we're supposed to

864
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: have a cold front come through. So I'm guessing Friday

865
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: the fourth will be the first morning hunt that I

866
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: have of the year. But from that point I'll be

867
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: out there every single morning. So how do you how

868
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: do you factor the weather into your rut hunting, because

869
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: I know some guys are like, you know, really planning

870
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: all their hunts around the rut or all the year

871
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: really around the weather. Some guys say, I don't care

872
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: what the weather is during the rut, I'm hunting the

873
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: entire time. How much does that go into your strategy? Well,

874
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: I hunt every day no matter what the weather is.

875
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: But when those cold fronts come through, then I'm I'm

876
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: staying longer in the stand. Those will be the days

877
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: that I hunt all day. You know, if we get

878
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: seven in three days, or if we get days where

879
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: the wind's holing forty miles an hour or something like that,

880
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: I'll still hunt. But it's basically about three hours in

881
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: the morning and a couple of hours in the evening.

882
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: And again, I'm just doing it. I don't want to

883
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: burn myself out, but studing every day all day and

884
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: to stand I'm kind of picking the days. I do

885
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: that based on the weather and the timing that I

886
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: just described. So the weather was a big, big factor,

887
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: but I don't let it keep me from the woods. Okay,

888
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: what about We ask everybody about this, but I don't

889
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: think we've ever asked you about it. What about the moon?

890
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: Does that? Does that mean anything to you? Do you

891
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: pay attention to anything related to the moon and how

892
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: it may or may not impact your movement? You know,

893
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: not a whole lot. I remember when Jeff Murray came

894
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: out with the Mood Moon Guide way back probably twenty

895
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: five years ago, maybe more than that, and the first

896
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: year that it was out, I started paying attention to

897
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: it from the opening day of the season, and what

898
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: I found was that it was dictating when I hunted

899
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: too much. I was I was using that Moon Guide

900
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: as an excuse not to go home, and I just

901
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: kind of quit using at that point, I mean, before

902
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: the first month was over. That way back then, I

903
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: was no longer using the moon Guy because of that reason.

904
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: And it just so happened that this falls. I was

905
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: given a one of the current moon guides for this year,

906
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: and it was the same thing. Right off the bat.

907
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: In October, I started looking at at that moon guide

908
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: and planning a few hunts. My evening ounced a few

909
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: I do in October. I was trying to plant them

910
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: around those red moon days. And to be honest, I'm

911
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: probably not the best guy to be asking about how

912
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: much the moon plays into it, because I believe whether

913
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: Trump's the moon every time. Now, what I am doing

914
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: this year is if I'm not working or whatever, driving

915
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: down the road in the prime uh movement hours, you know,

916
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: of dusk and dawn, and if there's one of those

917
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: days where I'm seeing all kinds of deer activity for

918
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: no explainable reason, and I'll look at my moon guide

919
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: and see how it how it correlates. But to this

920
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: point that hasn't really been the case much, so I

921
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: can probably tell you a lot more in a couple

922
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: of years from now. Yeah, yeah, it's funny you mentioned

923
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: the moon guide. We you know, we've talked to Adam

924
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: hay Is about it a lot and a couple of

925
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: those guys. And so I'm kind of in the same

926
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: boat where I'm intrigued by it and you know, pay

927
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: attention to it, but don't really have any of my

928
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: own firm you know, beliefs or data to sip to

929
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: put behind it. But for whatever it's worth, there were

930
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: red moon days these past well Yesterday, Monday, Sunday, etcetera.

931
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: And whatever means, you know, Monday and Tuesday. So yesterday

932
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: and the day before I've seen great, great dear activity

933
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: for mature bucks. Um, So, I don't know. It could

934
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: just be coincidence. You know, lots of times you can

935
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: fool yourself into believing something is correlated and maybe not

936
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: but interesting if nothing else right. So here's something I'm

937
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: wondering down. Does do your typical decisions on where to

938
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: hunt during the run during the month of November if

939
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: we just say this whole month, does it change throughout

940
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: the month, Like at the beginning of the month you

941
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: tend to focus on X. Then at the middle of

942
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: the month you tend to focus on and then it

943
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: changes for the end or are you kind of is

944
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: it different all throughout the month based on conditions or

945
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: something else. It does change, and it's based more than

946
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: anything on hunting pressure. I've got some properties I hunt

947
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: where I know there's not gonna be hunting pressure, and

948
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: particularly gun hunting pressure, which in the Illinois ramad is

949
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 1: right in the middle of the month. So those properties

950
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: where I know there's not gonna be hunting pressure during

951
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: guns season, I'll kind of save them till after gun season,

952
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: and but the hunting pressure pushed some bucks into them

953
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: the But the properties I started out with in early

954
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: November are ones that I know we're gonna see the

955
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: pressure from other hunters. I figure I might as well

956
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: get in there before they get ruined and that they're

957
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: getting pushed out and see what I can do. But

958
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: but the hunting pressure to dictates it as much as anything,

959
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: because I know that's going to dictate whether there's deer staying. Um,

960
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: they'll be on those properties early where there's hunting pressure,

961
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: but once it picks up a little bit, they'll stay

962
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: on the neighboring properties. They're not gonna just totally abandon

963
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: their range, but they'll shift where they're staying to get

964
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: away from that pressure. Yeah, that makes sense. So then

965
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: early November, how what's your game plan for early November?

966
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: What kind of stuff are you focusing on that first

967
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: week or so? It sounds like you said your first

968
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: morning will probably you're gonna wait for that first coal front.

969
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: But where do you think you're gonna start sitting at

970
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: that time? Those properties where I expect some hunting pressure,

971
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of bow hunters that don't do

972
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: a lot of hunting in October. They kind of wait

973
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: for the rut and the first two weeks of Novembers

974
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: when at the hunting pressure is probably the hardest in

975
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: my part of this country anyway. And I'll get out

976
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: there and try to beat the the competition to some

977
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: of those properties at the beginning of November. Um, but

978
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: I see the month of November, you know, as a

979
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what you would call it. It's not

980
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: a sprint, but it's more like a long distance race

981
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: where you pace yourself. You know, you don't run to

982
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: the finish line on the first day of November. Uh,

983
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: I'm only playing on her my hopes are to get

984
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: one buck within range, one shooter buck within range. It's

985
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: during the month of November, so I know that my

986
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: odds are doing it today is not good, but my

987
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: odds over that thirty day period or so are pretty

988
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: good if I play it right. So I don't want

989
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: to go into my best spot and burn it out

990
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: right off the bat. I want to, you know, kind

991
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: of have a game plan of the entire season. Start

992
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: out with those properties that are going to have some

993
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: other pressure and see if I can get a good

994
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: hunter two in on them before the pressure is too

995
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: great and pushes the box off, and then just kind

996
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: of build from there, saving my very best properties for last.

997
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: It's almost like hunting a property on the outside end.

998
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: A lot has been written about that where you start.

999
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: You don't go to the heart of your property to

1000
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: start with you. You stay out on the edge, just

1001
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: let the deer have the heart of the property, and

1002
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: then as a season wears on, you work your way

1003
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: in to get closer and closer to close deer up

1004
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: your odds. And it's the same way with me. During

1005
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: the month of November, I start on those properties that

1006
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: are going to have the most pressure and then I

1007
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: move on to the ones that are going to have

1008
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: the least at the end of November. No, No, what

1009
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: about actual stand locations like you just mentioned. You know,

1010
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: lots of people will work their way from the outside

1011
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: and throughout the season. But for you in your situation,

1012
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: since for a lot of your spots, that sounds like

1013
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: you haven't really hunted very much at all till November

1014
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: or not planning to, do you approach a property during

1015
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: that month the same way? So you do you start

1016
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: hunting in early November, still on the edges a little

1017
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: bit to see what's going on, or since you know

1018
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: it's the rut, you dive into your best stands. Well,

1019
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: A lot of it depends on the property, how they

1020
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: lay out. If it's um one of these real world

1021
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: properties I call it, we're compete with other hunters. A

1022
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: lot of times I've got one good stand on the

1023
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: entire property, and it might be in the very best

1024
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: location on that property, and there's no looking from the

1025
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: outside in. On those, you go right to the good

1026
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: spot to start with. But if it's a property you've

1027
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: got total control over, well, then you do the outside

1028
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: in approach and slowly put your pressure on that property. Okay,

1029
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: So I mean there's just a lot of variables. So

1030
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: do you have any stand locations that are are just

1031
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: money no matter what when it comes to the rut.

1032
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a pinch point that you can

1033
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: hunt as many times as you want and maybe not

1034
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: burn it out because you have good access to that

1035
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: that stand location. Yeah. And in fact, I try to

1036
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: build those locations on the property where I've got some control. Um,

1037
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, you figure out where the best stand side

1038
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: is for you for your access, for you to sit

1039
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: there and remain undetected with certain wind direction or whatever.

1040
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: And then once you've found that stand side and you've

1041
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: got your stand there, and then you do everything you

1042
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: can on that property to push more dear activity that way,

1043
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: whether it be uh, you know, maybe blocking trails that

1044
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: are out of range, or if it's a there's an

1045
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: old fence on the property, maybe cutting a hole in

1046
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: that fence. Player stand but you just find that best

1047
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: location and make it even better. So, and I answer

1048
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 1: your question, Yeah, I've got several of those on various

1049
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: properties where depending on the wind direction, I mean, for instance,

1050
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: I've got some of my own property where if we

1051
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: get an east wind in early November. I've got a

1052
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: couple of stands and I know I can go to

1053
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: and without a doubt, I will see a minimum of

1054
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: five bucks some of the November mornings with an east wind,

1055
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: and I might see as many as ten or twelve

1056
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: or fifteen. But you've got to have that rare east

1057
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: wind for it to happen, and it's got to be

1058
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: in early November when the bucks are on that cruising

1059
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: and seeking face. So during that phase of November, can

1060
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: you describe what your best types of stand locations are like?

1061
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: I'd love to know in detailing, are you focusing just

1062
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: on pinch points or just on betting ears or what

1063
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: makes your dynamite early November stand site? The two factors.

1064
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: One is the pinch point, as you just mentioned, and

1065
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: the other is dough betting areas. A pinch point near

1066
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: a doe betting area, those blocks are going to cruise

1067
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: down the wind edges of those dough betting areas and

1068
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: if there's a pinch point along that down wind edge

1069
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: and then you got him, what what do those like?

1070
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: What kind of can you depressed some examples of what

1071
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: that might look like? Because we always talk about pinch

1072
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: points funnel as we say those words, but sometimes it's

1073
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: it's especially for newer hunters, they might not know what

1074
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: that might actually look like in the real world, in

1075
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: the real world. Can you provide some examples? Yeah, too

1076
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: long my own property, there's one where there's within the

1077
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: thick bedding area, there's a creek that comes through, and

1078
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: that creek makes a big band that comes up and

1079
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: pushes close to the to a field edge, so it

1080
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: really narrows down. Between the creek and the field edge

1081
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: is a narrow corridor probably I want to guess fifty

1082
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: yards wide, and to either side of it, the creek

1083
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: bends away and the covers a whole lot wider between

1084
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: that edge of the creek. So as the deer traveler

1085
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: the box travel that down wind edge that creek and

1086
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: the field edge kind of pushes them through a narrow

1087
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: travel corridor. Well, with the wind direction, they're always going

1088
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: to be on the down the wind edge of that.

1089
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: So that smell it it's really absolutely deadly because anybody

1090
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: that comes through is gonna be within twenty yards and

1091
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: most of the time within fifteen or ten yards. Uh.

1092
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: And then another one is an inside corner the same

1093
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: just right down the same field edge a few hundred yards,

1094
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: the woods makes a ninety degree turn and forms an

1095
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: inside corner in a field. At the same time, that

1096
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: same creek comes up and pinches right there at that

1097
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: inside corner, And uh so it kind of funnels those

1098
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: deer right through there. So what wind directions describing the way?

1099
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: It makes sense, But what wind direction are are you

1100
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: trying to hunt those on? Because I have I have

1101
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: a scenario almost similar to that where I have an

1102
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm accessing through the field on a south wind,

1103
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: so my wind is actually blowing to the stand location

1104
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: because I can't access it from the north side. My

1105
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: stand in that narrow strip of timber between the creek

1106
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: in the field edge, and there's a ton of heavy

1107
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: trails and that's where all the all the deer crews

1108
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: during the rut. But I have to access it through

1109
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: a south wind, and my wind is blowing to the

1110
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: stand location. But once I'm in the stand location, it's

1111
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: it's money. But how how are you accessing what you've

1112
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: what you've just explained the inside corner, I'm coming right

1113
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: across that open field, right into the corner where my

1114
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: stand is located, and my sense right, my face is

1115
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: blowing right back from my stand right out into that

1116
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: open field. And with that situation, the deer, the bucks

1117
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: can run either edge, and they've got either a wind

1118
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: quartering into their nose or they've got a wind quartering

1119
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: at their tail, and most of the time they want

1120
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: it quartering into their nose. But they run those edges

1121
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: with the wind quartering into their nose and they can

1122
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: smell everything. It's the head of them in the cover,

1123
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: and they can use their eyes to see everything out

1124
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: in that open field, right, I mean, it's absolutely deadly.

1125
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: And the other situation where the creek comes up and

1126
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: makes the big band and pushes are narrows down the

1127
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: the wooded cover between the creek and the field edge,

1128
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: I use a across. Well, basically I'm coming across the

1129
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: field to that one with the wind straight in my face. Again,

1130
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: but those bucks are traveling that edge with a cross wind,

1131
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: and the same thing. They can smell everything in the

1132
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: cover that way, and they can use their eyes to

1133
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: see everything out in the field, and so they kind

1134
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: of hug that field edge to do that. So there

1135
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: you're planning on a shot in the timber right. Most

1136
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: of the time it is, but a lot of uh,

1137
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what the percentage would be, but there's

1138
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: also a lot of those bucks that are right on

1139
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: the field edge too. Okay, how much do you this

1140
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: is a this is a dilemma I often have. You know,

1141
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: when you're hunting the rut and you've got you know,

1142
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: it might be a little different for you because you're

1143
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: able to hunt us a little bit longer time period.

1144
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: But for example, I go down to Ohile for a

1145
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: week to ten day every year and basically, you know,

1146
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: I've got that time period to try to really try

1147
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: to get done. So there's a I think a lot

1148
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: of people have that too. So there's this tendency to

1149
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, be willing or want or need to take

1150
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: more risks because hey, this is the super Bowl of

1151
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: deer hunting. If you don't get done now, well you're

1152
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: out of luck. So my question, the reason I set

1153
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: this all up, is how much risk do you take

1154
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to wind when you're hunting during the rut?

1155
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: Do you ever go into a spot where you usually

1156
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't because you know your wind is going to knock

1157
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: out your chances for one of the directions, But you

1158
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: know there's still two more that could be good or

1159
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: something like that. No, I never give up the wind.

1160
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: I think the wind is so important for a mature bug. Now,

1161
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: if you're happy to shoot two and three year old,

1162
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: you can probably do that and be successful. But the

1163
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: six year olds, when they can't do they're going to

1164
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: have a wind advantager. They're going to think the winds

1165
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: to their advantage. So I mean, once you can get

1166
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: away with something three year old bucks, you can't with

1167
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: six year olds. So I never ever give up the

1168
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: wind ever. So can you elaborate on that last point?

1169
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: You know how a buck wants to use the wind

1170
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: in his favor. How do you believe they're typically trying

1171
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: to use that wind during the run. They want they

1172
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: want to be able to smell hot those in danger, um,

1173
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: basically in the direction that they want to go. Like

1174
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times when a buck's going to bed,

1175
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: you know he wants to check that for check the

1176
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: area he's gonna bed for danger before he goes in

1177
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: to do it, so he'll pass with a cross wind

1178
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: on the down wind side they hook back into it. Um.

1179
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: Everything they do is based on their nose telling them

1180
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: it's it's okay, and if they can't, you know, there's

1181
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: one company that's got the slogan forget to win, just hunt. Well,

1182
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: it sounds good in theory, but even if you even

1183
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: if a guy could be totally sent free, sent free,

1184
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, and he could just drop out

1185
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: of the sky into his stand, never leaving groundson or anything,

1186
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: if he doesn't factor what that buck is going to

1187
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: do in relation to the wind, and he's still not

1188
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: going to be consistently successful because you've gotta to kill

1189
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: the big ones consistently. You gotta know what they're gonna

1190
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: do on purpose. I mean, you can't expect him to

1191
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: commit suicide. You've got to know a bucket is moving

1192
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: point A to point B, whether it be in the evening,

1193
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: from betting to food or whatever. And then you've got

1194
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: to give him the wind direction that makes him comfortable

1195
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: doing so. I mean, you can't expect him to move

1196
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: from from his betting area out to feed with the

1197
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: wind right at his back, so he has no idea

1198
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: what's up front. He needs that wind too in his advantage,

1199
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: or he needs to think it's in his advantage for

1200
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: you to have a success to kill him. Yeah, yeah,

1201
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: it's hard to argue with that. It definitely seems like

1202
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: these older deer they get old for a reason, right.

1203
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: I think a big part of that is probably because

1204
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: they learned to use that to their advantage. Absolutely, So,

1205
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: speaking of risk taking, a second question I have related

1206
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: to that during the rut is with the pressure you

1207
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: put on a specific stand site. So do you I

1208
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: think that it's okay to hunt a stand site more

1209
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: often than usual during the rut because it's the rut

1210
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: or I don't know what are your thoughts on that

1211
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: whole deal. Is there a certain number of maximum number

1212
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: of times instead of stand during this time period or

1213
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: anything like that. Well, a lot of that goes into

1214
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: two entrance and exit to the stand. If you can

1215
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: get to that standard out of that stand without spooking deer,

1216
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: then you can kind of a hold up more often

1217
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: because of the winds. Right when you're sitting there, you

1218
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't be spooking very many deer at all. I mean,

1219
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: occasionally you're gonna have one get down does unexpected, but access,

1220
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: entrance and exit is everything if you've got the right standing, Yeah,

1221
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: I'll huntest and two or three days in a row.

1222
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: If if there's a box that I know, I want

1223
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: to shoot that area, and I'll do that during the

1224
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: route when I witness other times of the year. Okay, Yeah,

1225
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned the access and entry thing. This

1226
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: year more than ever before I've been I've convinced my

1227
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: wife to drive a four wheeler down to one of

1228
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: the properties that hunt and pick me up in the

1229
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: evenings so I don't spook deer off this field. And um,

1230
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: it has made a huge difference in the number of

1231
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: deer I'm still seeing. I've been able to hunt one

1232
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: specific little food plot area um way more than I

1233
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: ever would UM. And I'm still seeing good activity and

1234
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: mature bucks. UM. So that's made a big difference because

1235
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: they don't seem to at least from what I've seen,

1236
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: they don't seem to be a spooked by a vehicle

1237
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: coming in as they would a person coming out of

1238
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: a tree and walking. You know, right, that's absolutely correct. Ah,

1239
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: back to the specific types of stand sites you'd you've

1240
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: given us some detail on your funnel locations. Can you

1241
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: give us the same kind of detail or examples of

1242
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: some of your dope betting area locations that you focus

1243
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: on during the run. Basically, they're just thicker areas that

1244
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: have not seen a lot of hunting pressure. I mean,

1245
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: those are gonna are not gonna put up with hunting pressure,

1246
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: just like bucks won't and especially those older dose that

1247
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: you bump them out of the bed and they're gonna

1248
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: bed somewhere else. So six areas with undisturbed cover, UM

1249
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: key in on those, um you know what the experience

1250
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: you'd learned with a deer bed on particular property and

1251
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: just get on the down the wind edge of of

1252
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: where that is, and that's where the bucks are going

1253
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: to be cruising as they check those those areas for

1254
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: hot dose. How close do you typically try to be

1255
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: to you know, if you could draw hypothetical circle around

1256
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: where you think that doughe betting areas? Are you trying

1257
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: to be right on the edge, like within ten yards

1258
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: of it? Or is it more like I don't know,

1259
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: Like how close do you typically try to be? And

1260
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: how do you choose that? I mean, how you determine

1261
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: the right spot downwind of that doe betting air? A

1262
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: lot of times that's the right spot. There's nothing more

1263
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: than the right tree or an area where deer activity

1264
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: is already funneled down anyway, but as I'd like to

1265
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: get as close as possible, you know, right on the edge.

1266
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's even better if you can shoot into

1267
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: that betting cover. Right So you are you? So this

1268
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: is well? As you say this, I'm starting to wonder though,

1269
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: right you're we're setting up on this kind of location

1270
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: because we're assuming a buck is going to be walking

1271
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: the downwind edge of that betting area to try to

1272
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: smell it. So do you you how far do you

1273
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: usually see those bucks away from a dough betting And

1274
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: I know this is different, and most you know it's

1275
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: it's always different, but I don't know. I'm just kind

1276
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: of curious if you've if you've seen anything in your

1277
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: experience that on average they are right in the betting

1278
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: air cover, or on average they tend to stay outside

1279
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: so they can, I don't know, see a little more

1280
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: as they come down wind of it. Have you seen

1281
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: any consistencies there at all? Or is it just kind

1282
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: of ran them? They want to walk right on the

1283
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: edge of it. And I'm so close that sometimes the

1284
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: bucks are actually on my down wind side, but I'm

1285
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: high enough and my sense going right over the top

1286
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: of their back, So that's how close I get. I

1287
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: want to be pushing the envelope, but at the same time,

1288
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't want him to smell me. So there's a

1289
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: lot of variables. But I want to be right there

1290
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: on the edge. Okay, speaking of your tree stand, Um,

1291
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: how high do you usually like to get up in there?

1292
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you kind of guy that is like

1293
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: super super high in the tree or is it more

1294
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: based on tree cover and stuff like that. Well, you know,

1295
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: I was just talking the other day with a friend

1296
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: of mine. Years ago. I used to think anybody that

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: used the ladder stand was as ciss secret. The older

1298
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: I get, the more I like them. So it's all

1299
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 1: about the cover. I mean, I want a comfortable stand.

1300
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: If I won't be there all day or for several hours,

1301
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: I want one that's big and comfortable. And I need

1302
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: to get as high as I only go as high

1303
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: as I need to get to stay hid. And then

1304
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: I like to be at least fifteen feet, But fifteen

1305
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: feet fine with me, and sometimes I have to I

1306
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: would prefer the fifteen foot range with a lot of

1307
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: cover around me. Okay, and um, and what about well, shoot,

1308
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: I totally lost my I lost my train thought, Dan,

1309
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: help me out here. Do you have a question for time?

1310
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: I had something lined up and now I don't know

1311
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: what it's at now on on these these betting areas,

1312
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: let's say you don't have a shooter necessarily on camera,

1313
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: but you you know it's a historically good spot that

1314
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: throughout the years you've had good interactions with mature box.

1315
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: Is that when you're when you start to sit all

1316
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: day or is it or is it like a travel

1317
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: corridor or a pinch point not necessarily a betting area

1318
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: when you're making your all day sets. Well, I'm on

1319
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: and all day, said, I want being cover. I don't

1320
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: want to be sitting out on you know, open timber

1321
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: travel route between two thickets. I want to be in

1322
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: the thick of it, um, because during midday, let's face it,

1323
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: the deer's a bus going to spend the majority of

1324
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: his hours in that thick cover. If I want a chance,

1325
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: a real chance to kill him, I need to be

1326
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: in the same place he's at. So, yeah, there's a

1327
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: lot of bucks killed every year out on those open

1328
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: travel corridors of fans row connecting two woods or just

1329
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: open timber or whatever. But I would much prefer to

1330
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: be in the thick stuff with the deer introduction, I

1331
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: remember my question, So thank you for the filler there, Dan,

1332
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: speaking of excuse me now, I can't talk speaking of

1333
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: all day sits. Do you have any advice for pulling

1334
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 1: those off? Because that's a struggle for a lot of people.

1335
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: Anything that helps you get through a full day or

1336
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: I am one of those people, right, this is for you, Dan, Yeah,

1337
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you I don't do a lot of those.

1338
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: It's uh, if you know there's a shooter buck on

1339
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: the property and that's that will really help. I mean,

1340
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: your confidence has to be there if you're not cough

1341
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: in your area. I mean, it's about impossible to sit

1342
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: there all day. Um past success if you if you

1343
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: do it a few times and you see some bucks

1344
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: moving in the middle day, it makes it a whole

1345
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: lot easier to do it again. So you know no

1346
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: one you've got a shooter buck on the property, seeing

1347
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: it a little bit of success helps you do it again.

1348
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: You need to be comfortable. I just older. I get

1349
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: I can't stand them a little bit of tree stands anymore.

1350
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: I want a big, roomy stand for the comfortable seat. Um.

1351
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: Take enough food to make sure you're never hungry. Uh,

1352
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: just make yourself as comfortable as can be and has

1353
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: a confidence. Yeah, very true. Well, quickly, before we move

1354
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,320
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1401
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,839
Speaker 1: to the show. Is there any particular part of November

1402
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: that you tend to try to hunt those full days

1403
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: more than more than another. Yeah, absolutely, November seven the Night.

1404
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of success in November seven the Night,

1405
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, that's more booners are killed on

1406
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: those day any other day. Yeah, that's definitely a time

1407
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: when it's hard to It's hard to beat that time frame.

1408
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: For me, I've seen the same thing like that. If

1409
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: you could spand if you expand it a little bit,

1410
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: like the fifth through the twelfth, like that week for

1411
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: me always tends to be pretty darn good too. Um.

1412
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: I read an article from you earlier this year and

1413
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: it was talking about the idea of how small properties

1414
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: aren't so bad. You know, how you'd rather, I think

1415
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: you had said something on the lines of the fact

1416
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: that you'd rather have a bunch of different small properties

1417
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: than maybe just one big property. Um, can you can

1418
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: you expand on that a little bit? Why do you

1419
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: say that? And how does that factor into the rut?

1420
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: How do you approach small properties during the rut, if

1421
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: at all differently than a big managed property. Yeah, it's

1422
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: ironic you mentioned that. Just before we started this interview,

1423
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: I got a text with a with a photo of

1424
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 1: a young man, uh justin Repkis with Team Radical Outdoors.

1425
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: You may have heard of them, but he's just shot

1426
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: a six by six blocks and he mentioned the same

1427
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: article and was saying, how spot on it is that

1428
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 1: having multiple small properties is has proven itself to be

1429
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: better than one larger property. And the reason for it is,

1430
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, you go and you've got a four hundred

1431
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 1: acre property, you might only have one shooter buck on it.

1432
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: You have a forty acre property, you might have one

1433
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: shooter buck on it too. Well, he's a if he's

1434
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: staying on forty acres versus four hundred. You know, every

1435
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: time you go into honey and he's gonna be a

1436
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: whole lot closer to your stands if he's betting on

1437
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: that property from the other big advantages. If you've got

1438
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: multiple small properties, you're hunting multiple deer hairs and you

1439
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: just increase your odds of having a shooter buck on

1440
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: one of them or multiples. So you know, it's it's

1441
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: something that a lot of people don't buy. You. You

1442
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: get these rich guys that go out and buy hundreds

1443
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: and hundreds, if not thousands of acres contiguous that that

1444
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: they managed for deer and and they're successful. Don't take

1445
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: nothing away from they're very sick accessful. But for the

1446
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: average guy, I think you're better off having a lot

1447
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: of small properties, even if they're only you know, five

1448
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: or ten acres. I hunted some really small properties that

1449
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: were situated in such a way that I mat you're

1450
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: bucked with bet on him and has bet on them,

1451
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: So you know, and if you've got multiple small property,

1452
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: you burn one out, well, if you got others to

1453
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: go to, it's not there as a big a deal.

1454
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: Burn out your only hunting property, no matter how big

1455
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: it is, you kind of shut yourself in the foot

1456
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: and your ads that went way down. Yeah, I had

1457
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: a scenario like that last year That's an interesting point.

1458
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: So does that mean do you hunt if you have

1459
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 1: a situation like that, we have multiple small properties, Um,

1460
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: do you hunt those more gressively during the run, then

1461
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: just because you know you've got all these other spots

1462
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: you can fall back on. All Right, A lot of

1463
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: it all depends on the hunting pressure. If I'm the

1464
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: only guy that I know can hunt, and I'm pretty

1465
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: positive nobody's trespassing or nobody else is slipping in there

1466
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 1: putting some kind of pressure. And even if it's not hunters,

1467
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, pressure doesn't have to be from hunters, just

1468
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: human activity. Um, how hard I will hunt them property

1469
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: and push it depends on that the other pressure on it.

1470
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 1: If if I know it's one getting very little pressure,

1471
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 1: then I put very little pressure on because I want

1472
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: to keep it to secure in the deer's eyes so

1473
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: that when I do go on it, my odds are

1474
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 1: really high to see it. Right right, Speaking of pressure, UM,

1475
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: I know you're a big proponent of sanctuaries, preserving some

1476
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of sanctuary and your property. What what are your

1477
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: thoughts on sanctuaries during the rut? Do you ever go

1478
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: into them or how do you hunt in or around

1479
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: them at this time. I consider a sanctuary of sanctuary

1480
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: only as long as it's free of human intrusion. It's

1481
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: because the first time someone goes in and hunts, it's

1482
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: no longer a sanctuary. So I'd never go into the

1483
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: sanctuaries during hunting season unless I've shot a deer. Okay,

1484
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: So you're hunting the fringes of that sanctuary right exactly,

1485
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 1: with my sense always flowing away from it. How close

1486
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: is too close? When you see the edge? I mean,

1487
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: can you literally can you like, let's just hypothetically say

1488
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: there's a swamp and you're saying, this swamp is your

1489
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: is your sanctuary? Will you hunt you know, right within

1490
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: that ten yards within the swamp or something like that?

1491
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: Is that safe enough to keep it still sanctuary? In there?

1492
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 1: I mean they might be able see you. You could

1493
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: hypothetically spook a deer in there. Is that still a

1494
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: hontable spot where you off it? Yeah? I hunt right

1495
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: on the edge of the sanctuary where and if there's

1496
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: a deer, you know, and fairly close to the edge,

1497
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: you could see me slipping into my stand. But my

1498
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: sense never gonna be in there. My ground sense never

1499
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: gonna be in there, He's never gonna see me in there,

1500
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: although they may see me on the edge. Okay, is

1501
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: there is there a minimum size that you like or

1502
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: is there something like, Yeah, if it's if it's an acre,

1503
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: it's not really a sanctuary. But if it's up to

1504
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: five acres, well, now it's a sanctuary. Is there any

1505
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: kind of quantification that you applied to an area that

1506
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: you try to protect as a safe spot for deer?

1507
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: Well and yeah, but not really. It's not really limited

1508
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: by acre each but terrain. For example, I like my

1509
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: sanctuaries to have some kind of physical difference around the edge.

1510
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: In other words, a buck crosses this creek, he knows

1511
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: that on this side of the creek he never smells

1512
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 1: or encounters a human, or if he jumps this fence,

1513
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: once he's on the other side of the fence, he

1514
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: never smells or encounters a human. Or this road, and

1515
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: once he's on this side of the road, he never

1516
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: smells or encounters a human. You need some kind of

1517
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 1: a physical obstacle or some kind of physical feature that

1518
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: that deer can recognize that once I crossed this, then

1519
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: I never encounter humans. And it can be a one acre,

1520
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: it can be well, I like him bigger the better. Um,

1521
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: you know, I like sanctuaries that are at least ten

1522
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: or twenty acres. You know, it just depends on the properly.

1523
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: The bigger the better though, right, So are you I'm

1524
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: making some assumptions here, but let's just say you have

1525
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: a sanctuary. I'm assuming there's gonna be a lot of

1526
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: does betting in there because it's a safe place. So

1527
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: then are you typically hunting a sanctuary in the rut

1528
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: basically as if it's a giant dough betting here? So

1529
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: you're hunting the down wind edge of it and hoping

1530
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: to catch something cruising. Yeah, that's exactly right, hut on

1531
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: the down the wind edge, and that's where the bucks

1532
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 1: are going to be. Okay, all right, So now let's

1533
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: let's say we're hunting that kind of situation. I'm tight

1534
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: to some kind of sanctuary or cover. Um and hypothetical

1535
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: situation that I can see coming up is spotting a

1536
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 1: big buck back there in the swamp or back in

1537
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: the cover but it's too far away. What kind of

1538
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: calls or any kind of calling technique do you typically

1539
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: like to use during the rut to try to get

1540
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: that buck to coming closer. Is there do you try

1541
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,560
Speaker 1: it all or is there a specific go to that

1542
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:59,560
Speaker 1: you really liked? Keyan On. You know, I'm not a

1543
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 1: big and calling uh for them simply because I had

1544
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: an area where there's a lot of hunters and I'm

1545
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 1: sure you guys do as well. By the time a

1546
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 1: buck gets to be six years old, Uh, he's pretty

1547
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: educated to those kind of things. Yeah, so I hardly

1548
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: ever call now in a situation like you described, I

1549
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: may or I may not. It just depends on the situation.

1550
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: If it's a buck that I feel that I'm going

1551
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: to get a crack at eventually, I'm probably not gonna

1552
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: tippy offs to my stand location by calling in any manner.

1553
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: But if it's like the Trump buck, you know it's

1554
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: a bucket, I feel if I can lay eyes on

1555
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 1: him one time, I'm gonna be lucky. So if I

1556
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: see that buck one time on his feet in daylight

1557
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: and he's not gonna come past me, well then I'm

1558
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: gonna throw everything I got at him and I will

1559
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: try to call him that situation. But yeah, we started

1560
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: talking about six years and older, and they know the

1561
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: tricks and and calling whether me rattling, grunt calls, whatever.

1562
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 1: It's not really that effective. It's more effective at educating

1563
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: them than anything. You're out of those naantlers and you're

1564
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: telling that buck here's my stand, don't never come over here. Yeah,

1565
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: so what about this um nightmare scenario? During your hunt,

1566
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: you spook your target buck either he wins you or

1567
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: sees you or your rattle and it sounds bad and

1568
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: he runs away. Um, how how down does that gets

1569
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: you during the rut? Do you feel like you get

1570
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: a few, you know, get out jail free cards during

1571
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: the run? Or is a game over if it's a

1572
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: mature buck? And when I say matureal, I'm talking at

1573
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 1: least four years old, and I'm really targeting bucks or

1574
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:53,480
Speaker 1: five or six and older. Yeah, when the bucks discovers

1575
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: me and a tree standard or he gets down when

1576
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: it smells me but never sees me, or maybe he

1577
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: sees me but never smells me, or whatever the situation.

1578
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: Once a buck has me take to a tree, I

1579
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: know it's over for that buck from that tree. So

1580
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a new place for stands. And I

1581
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna spookhim totally off the property. When

1582
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: that happens. But when he does jump past that that area,

1583
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: he's going to be looking for you in that tree again,

1584
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 1: whether it's being down when trying to smell your or

1585
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: visually seeing you. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a tough situation,

1586
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Um, that's that's one of those

1587
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 1: things that dealing with the whole trick of pressure and

1588
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: the risk of putting pressure on deer and how much

1589
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: can you get away with. I feel like I'm constantly

1590
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: fighting myself on this, like trying to balance how do

1591
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: I balance aggression and going here when the time is

1592
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: right to the right places versus screwing it up for

1593
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 1: the future. And I think that's such a big I

1594
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: think that's one of the big cruxes of hunting mature

1595
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: bucks is figuring out the right balance between those two things. Um,

1596
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, how do you how do

1597
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: you make those decisions when you know, Okay, I need

1598
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: to just back off out of here versus I need

1599
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: to go in there. Is it solely based on whether

1600
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: or do you take an other scouting intel or observations

1601
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: or something like that? Yeah, weather trail camera pictures. If

1602
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: I if I see a bucks, all his feet in daylight. Uh,

1603
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, fairly consistently. Then you know, I know it's

1604
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: a buck that can be killed, So you know, why wait,

1605
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: we'll get it done. Me if I know that certain

1606
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: property I have permission to hunt is going to have

1607
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: some gun hunting freshure on it when gun season opens,

1608
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: and I get in there right before gun season and

1609
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: go for it, because I know that my chances after

1610
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,719
Speaker 1: gun season are about zero. So you just gotta factor

1611
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: in a lot of different things and and decide when

1612
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: it when your time to move in and go for what. Yeah,

1613
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: you mentioned trail cameras, and we did a whole episode

1614
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: back I think it was episode sixty seven or sixty

1615
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: eight somewhere around there talking about trail cameras. But for

1616
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 1: for us right now, can you just tell us how

1617
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: you're using them during the rut time period. I mean,

1618
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, Dan, Dan focuses in krim if I'm wrong, Dan,

1619
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: but I feel like from everything I understand about your

1620
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: strategy during the rut, a lot of what you do

1621
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: is based on checking cameras and adjusting throughout your two

1622
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: weeks of rut hunting based on what you're seeing on

1623
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: those cameras. UM and you're moving them around and changing

1624
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: stand sites all this time based on that. Are you

1625
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: paying attention to cameras as much as that, or do

1626
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: you kind of know Okay, these are my core rut

1627
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: spots and I'm just gonna hunt these no matter what

1628
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: the cameras tell me. Well a little bit of both.

1629
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, I know where the bucks are gonna be

1630
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: during the ret from past experience, But at the same time,

1631
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: my main reason for checking cameras more than anything is

1632
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking for target box and I don't believe that.

1633
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: I believe bucks are are fairly homebodies, maybe not to

1634
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: the point that those are. It's very very rare that

1635
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: I see a buck from a tree stand that I

1636
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: don't have his picture, So I don't buy this that

1637
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: during the rut these strange bucks are moving through properties,

1638
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: although it does happen on rare occasions, so you know,

1639
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm checking the cameras for those rare occasions. But basically,

1640
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: by the time the rut comes around, I know what's

1641
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: on the property. I know if there's a buck I

1642
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: want to target, but you know, at the same time,

1643
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: you never know, so I want to be up to

1644
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 1: date as much as possible. So just stay in tune

1645
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: that way through the trail cameras. How often do you

1646
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 1: check them during the rut? Do you check more often

1647
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: than you would some other time of year? Yeah, I

1648
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: actually do probably, you know, during the summer, I won't

1649
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: check cameras without once a month maybe, but um, during

1650
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: the rut, it's more like about once every week to

1651
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: ten days. I want to go in and I'll check

1652
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: those cameras, like in early November, say the first from

1653
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: from November one through the say about the fourth or fifth,

1654
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: I'll check every trail camera I got, and I've got

1655
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: him in five count he scattered all over the place.

1656
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: So I mean, you just don't go out and check

1657
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 1: them on one day, but right before the rut heats up,

1658
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: I want to get out and check every single one

1659
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: of them to see if there's a bucket's moved in.

1660
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: And because this shift there range, you know, in the

1661
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: early fall, and you can have bucks move in that

1662
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: weren't there and say August or early September. I just

1663
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: want to make sure I'm on top of things. But

1664
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: then again, you know, I'll check them then I'll hunt

1665
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: through that period of the seventh eight to you about

1666
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: the twelve, and then I want to check them again

1667
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: as the rut really heats up and those are coming

1668
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: in to eat. You know, if if you've got a

1669
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: family group of dose and a mature buck comes along

1670
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: and breae one of them, well that bucks gona and

1671
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: he's gonna be there to breathe the rest of them too.

1672
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: So you know, I want to check from early November,

1673
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: mid November, and then again towards the end of the

1674
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: Wember and Thanksgiving time period, so about three times, but

1675
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: every ten days in November. Okay, speaking of that middle

1676
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: of November breeding period, Um, do you change how you

1677
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: hunt it all during the quote unquote lockdown period that

1678
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: a lot of people refer to m M I actually do.

1679
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: I'll I've got a number of stands and like out

1680
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: of the way places, maybe a lone tree, a famil

1681
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: of a corn field that's you know, a half a

1682
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: mile from many woods, and occasionally I'll sit places like that.

1683
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: I'll slip out there in the dark an hour before daylight,

1684
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: and places where I've seen mature bucks pushed those in

1685
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: the past during the rut. When a buck gets a

1686
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: hot dog, a lot of times you'll push her out

1687
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 1: in the places he typically wouldn't be. Drainage ditches is

1688
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 1: another good one. I've seen a lot of mature bucks

1689
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: push a hot dog put into a draining ditch in

1690
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: the field. They'll stay down in that dish. And if

1691
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: there's a tree or two along such a ditch, I'm

1692
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 1: just going to out of the way places nobody else

1693
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 1: would think to go. And where I've seen mature bucks

1694
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: in the past push hot doughs. So on average, where

1695
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 1: do you usually see is that usually where you're seeing

1696
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: these bucks take their doughs? Is these out you know,

1697
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: far away type spots or you also seen them go

1698
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: and just like thick nasty cover. I mean, what other

1699
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: places I guess could we expect to find a buck

1700
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: with a dough at that time period. Well, the area

1701
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 1: of the Midwestern arm hunting is pretty much open country

1702
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 1: with some scattered woodlots and such cover along creeks and

1703
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: ditches and things like that, so that we got a

1704
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: lot of open country, a lot more open country than

1705
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: we do cover. Of course, the deer relate to that

1706
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: cover and that's where they congregate. But I want to

1707
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 1: buck finds a hot dough, he wants to get her

1708
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 1: away from the other box. And I've seen them out

1709
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 1: in the middle of wide open soybeans stubble fields where

1710
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: you know, the soybean stubble is not four inches at

1711
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: tall and there's not a tree on the entire section,

1712
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: and there will be a bucket with a hot dough

1713
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 1: out in the middle of it. So and I've seen

1714
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: that many many times in the same way with corn

1715
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: fields or or whatever. But it throws out of the

1716
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 1: way places that away from the rest of the herd,

1717
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: that that those uh, mature bucks seem to want to

1718
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: push those doughs. And sometimes there'll be a dough out

1719
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,679
Speaker 1: there and and the mature buck hasn't got her away

1720
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: from the other bucks yet and there may be a

1721
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: hot dog out there was five bucks with her. So

1722
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: I've seen that multiple times as well. Yeah, that's pretty

1723
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 1: crazy when that happens. I've seen some stuff like that

1724
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and it's it's pretty wild and

1725
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of funny too. Also, sometimes I don't know

1726
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: if you've probably seen this and I've identified this, but

1727
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: I feel like when a buck is with a dough

1728
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: in some piece of cover, you know it based on

1729
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 1: other bucks in the area, Like I've seen so many times.

1730
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: There's a little patch cover and you can just see

1731
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: these other bucks come up to this area and just

1732
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: with their body demeanor, their body language, you know that

1733
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 1: he's looking like it's like there's some kind of barrier

1734
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: around this area that he knows he can't go into

1735
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: without the big boy, and they're getting pissed at him,

1736
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: and he's just kind of circling around, like checking out.

1737
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 1: He's like he wants to go on there so bad,

1738
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: but he just knows he shouldn't. Like I saw a

1739
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 1: buck last night doing this and I was like, wow, Like,

1740
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 1: there's there's no question like that behavior right there is

1741
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: has got to be looking at a buck with a

1742
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 1: dough in there because of the way he was acting.

1743
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: And it's, um, it's always kind of exciting when you

1744
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 1: know that something like that's in your area. It's almost like, well,

1745
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: that's almost like the satellite bulls. Yeah, almost like a

1746
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: satellite bowl as far as elks concerned. I want and

1747
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: I had the same thing happened to me two or

1748
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: three years ago where um, me and my buddy were

1749
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: sitting in a tree stand and we were watching this

1750
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 1: this it was actually no show Jones from a couple

1751
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 1: of years ago. Uh, and we watched him fight off.

1752
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: And I don't mean he didn't fight every one of them,

1753
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: but he stood up and he would like do a

1754
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 1: charge at him, or put his head down and wave

1755
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: his antlers and let the other know the other dear. No, Hey,

1756
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: I got a dough right here. If you hum and try,

1757
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get your ass beat. Yep. I've seen that myself. Yeah,

1758
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. Well, Dan, uh, do you have any

1759
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 1: final questions for done? No? Man, Uh, not really Again,

1760
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the show man. Every time I

1761
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: talked to you, I learned a little bit more and

1762
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 1: and not necessarily just about how to hunt deer, but

1763
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: being patient. And that's one thing I think that I'm

1764
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: still in that running gun you know, blow into the

1765
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 1: timber stomping and go into your best hands right away

1766
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: type of scenario. But I'm learning as I get older. Yeah,

1767
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: well I remember what that's like, Dan, I'll tell you what.

1768
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,759
Speaker 1: Starting to get more than just a few gray hairs.

1769
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 1: As hard as I used to, but I have a

1770
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: whole lot smarter, and nothing smarter. I see more deer

1771
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 1: than I did when I was like a madman, when

1772
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 1: I was younger. A right, I got I got gray

1773
01:33:56,520 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: hairs in my beard now. Oh I think, uh, I

1774
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: think all these kids are probably making that happend. Yeah,

1775
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: that's the fact. That's a fact. Oh, don Do you

1776
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: have any final item related to the rut that we

1777
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: haven't covered that you want to make sure people know

1778
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: about when it comes to try to have success during

1779
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: these next few weeks. Well, the thing about the rut

1780
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: is that your whole season can turn and about five seconds,

1781
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 1: you can be having the worst season in your life,

1782
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 1: and in five seconds you're having the best season in

1783
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 1: your life. Because at that time of the year, you

1784
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: can mature. Buck can be shot from about any tree

1785
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 1: in the woods if you're there on the right day.

1786
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 1: The key during the rud, they're spending time in the woods.

1787
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 1: You need to spend every possible minute in a tree.

1788
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: Stand um, but don't sit there and and burn a

1789
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: stand out. I mean, you still gotta hunt smart, but

1790
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: you gotta be out there. And if there's ever a

1791
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 1: time to get out of bed early day after day

1792
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: after day, it's the rut. So I just encourage everybody

1793
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 1: you know to don't give up. Try to keep a

1794
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: positive attitude even when it seems like a your odds

1795
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: of success are very slam because your whole season can

1796
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: change in about five seconds. Yeah, so true. That's some

1797
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: of the absolute best advice for hunting. The rut that

1798
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: that I'm always trying to remind myself of two it's

1799
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: it's sometimes easy to get down when you've hunted seven, eight, nine,

1800
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: ten days in a row and it hasn't happened, and

1801
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: it's tough waking up early. But just like, just like

1802
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: I said, it all can change and just a snap

1803
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: of the fingers. So awesome, awesome stuff done. Is there? Um?

1804
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: Is there anywhere that our listeners can go online to

1805
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 1: learn more about your books or anything you've got going on. Yeah,

1806
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 1: you can go to my website, Higgins Outdoors dot com.

1807
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 1: I've got two books on the market that they can

1808
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 1: be purchased right there on the website. And uh, anybody's

1809
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: into land management. Um. Real World Wildlife Products is the

1810
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: company that I'm a co owner of. We specialize in

1811
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: land management to products, food, plot seed, things like that.

1812
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: So just visit those websites if you're interested, and send

1813
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: me an email if you've got questions. I tried to

1814
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm really slow about it, but I try to

1815
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: answer any question it comes my way. Yeah, I can

1816
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: relate to that. I am eternally slow unfortunately sometimes. But

1817
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 1: we'll make sure to include links to those sites done,

1818
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: so if anybody wants to check out what you've got

1819
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 1: going on, they can do that. And uh, and thank

1820
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 1: you so much. We appreciate the time and wish you

1821
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: all luck in the world on getting an arrow in

1822
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 1: one of those big Illinois bucks. Well, thanks a lot,

1823
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: Mark and Dan. I appreciate you guys having me on

1824
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 1: and anytime you want to talk, just let me know

1825
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: and I'll be glad to do it. Absolutely. We might

1826
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: have to have number four coming up here soon again

1827
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: because these you never failed to give us some good insight. Well,

1828
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm always ready to do it, so just let me know.

1829
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 1: Sounds good. Thank you done, and with that we will

1830
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 1: wrap this one up. But a couple of quick updates

1831
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 1: before we go. If you haven't listened to our new

1832
01:36:56,479 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 1: bonus miniseries yet Wired Hunts Radio, be sure to download

1833
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 1: that and give it a listen. Each week. You know,

1834
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: if you're already subscribed to Wire to Hunt, you're going

1835
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 1: to see these new radio episodes popping up in your

1836
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: podcast player each week, and what the show is is

1837
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: it features a handful of interviews every seven days with

1838
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: hunters from all across the country getting the scoop on

1839
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 1: what the rutting activity currently is and what tactics are

1840
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: working at this very moment. It's an awesome resource for

1841
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 1: staying on top of the progress of the rut all

1842
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: across the country, so be sure to listen. We've got

1843
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 1: two episodes out so far and more to come through November,

1844
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: so be sure to take a listen to Wire to

1845
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: Hunt's rut Radio. Moving on, we need to give a

1846
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 1: big thank you to our partners who helped make this

1847
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 1: podcast possible. So thank you to Sick Gear, Redneck Blinds,

1848
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Speaker 1: huntera Maps, Yetie Cooler's Ozonics, Carbon Express, Maven Optics, and

1849
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: the White Tailed Institute of North America. And finally, thank

1850
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:51,639
Speaker 1: you all for tuning in. I hope you learned something

1851
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 1: today that can help you on your own rut hunts

1852
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 1: in the coming days. So get out there being a

1853
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: tree as much as you can grind it out. Good luck,

1854
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 1: and stay a Wired to Hunt h