WEBVTT - A New AEW Champion 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:08.240 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. Ready, 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:15.480 let's get it all. How's going everybody? Brian Alvarez here 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.960 on Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every day Monday 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:22.840 through Friday, New Pacific three Eastern Sunday three Pacific, sixth Eastern. 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.520 It's Monday here on the show, and I'm flying so 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:33.400 here like Semper evs busy, but he'll be back tomorrow. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.800 But fear not, I can easily talk for the next 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.240 hour because there's a lot of stuff I'll talk about 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:47.680 here today. Full Gear two is in the books. We 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:52.080 have a new a e W champion and his name 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:57.040 is Maxwell Jacob Friedman. He won the title after Yes 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.639 William Regal slid him the knock and he knocked out 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:07.360 John Moxley. So we're gonna talk about that here today. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.440 And I got a lot to say about that, especially 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.080 after I had a lot to say about it, now 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.000 I have more to say. Well, we'll talk about that 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.480 the rest of the show as well. A lot of 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.960 good matches on the show, some matches not so great, 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.399 but overall I would give the show a Hey, hearty 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.160 thumbs up. We'll get your thoughts as well. We've got 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.759 to the n x T show coming up on Tuesday. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.680 We've got Dynamite coming up on Wednesday. We've got Monday 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:35.000 Night Raw coming up here tonight with Survivor series and 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:40.560 War Games coming up. We have got Royal Rumble having 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.600 already broken records for w w E. Kenny Omega is 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:49.160 working the Tokyo Dome. They are doing Kenny Omega versus 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.640 Will Osprey for the i w g P United States title. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:58.680 That will be November. I'm sorry, January four, Russell Kingdom seventeen. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.240 So Kenny Omega will not be doing the a W 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:06.040 show coming up in Seattle, the Seattle Debut. Kyrie is 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.960 a new i w g P Women's Champion. Filthy Tom 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:16.160 Lawler fell. He fell during the New Japan X Stardom show, 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.880 the Crossover Show. We talk to him about that, by 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.680 the way, in about two hours and uh and I 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.200 even got I haven't got through half what I want 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.359 to talk about, So a lot to get into today. 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:27.600 Back in a moment to kick it off, Wrestling Observe 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:47.680 Alive and back of the show. Brian Elbarez here Wrestling 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.200 Observer Live. I'm Mike Simper BV and not to joining 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.080 us here today, but I got a lot to talk about. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.240 Let's take a quick look at the pay per view 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.160 portion of the All out I'm sorry, the full Gear 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.920 two show, and then a lot of notes on all 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.480 of it. Jungle Boy defeated Luca Saurus in a cage 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:14.079 match with the h b K elbow off the cage 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.840 through a table and then he put on his snare 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.040 trap and Luca Saurus submitted. I thought the opener was 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.400 an excellent cage match, a lot of callbacks to the 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.160 Hell in his Cell match with the Undertaker and Sean 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:35.480 Michael's in although no kne this time around. But Luke 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.440 Source is he's injured, his shoulders injured, so I think 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.240 he's gonna be out for a little while and hopefully 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.680 he'll be back and feeling great when that happens. But 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.480 a big win for Jungle Boy in the opener we had, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:51.760 and this was a little bit weird the way this 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:57.080 all went down. We had an a W World Trio's 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:01.920 title match. It was the Death Triangle versus the Elite, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.400 and my prediction had been that the Elite was gonna 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.160 come back and win the titles because they were supposed 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:07.640 to lose the titles. They were supposed to be stripped 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.760 of the titles. They were stripped because of everything that 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.400 went down with CM punkin the big fight back stage. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.920 And they came back and they did not win. In fact, 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.960 the Death Triangle beat them when Pack slid the hammer 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.000 into Ray Phoenix as Ray Phoenix was being hoisted up 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.120 for the one Wing and Angel and I like the 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.760 way they did it. Ray Phoenix didn't want to cheat, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.960 but in the moment he literally had two options. I 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.840 take this move and him killed, or I have to 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.640 use his hammer, and he used the hammer. Victory role 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.559 pinned Kenny Omega. They retained the six man titles. Now, 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.120 later they announced that they were going to do Death 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.880 Triangle versus the Elite in a best of seven series, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.560 and people began asking, are the titles on the line 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.039 and all of these matches? Now? The reason this was 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.680 asked was because the two most famous best of seven 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:09.479 matches in American wrestling history are the um so famous 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:14.760 I'm Nikita and Ivan Coloff and uh and Booker T 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.279 and Chris ben Wah. Those are the two most famous 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.800 best of seven matches, so Booker t and Kris ben Wah, 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.800 neither of them had a title. The winner was going 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.840 to become the number one contender for the title, and 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.000 in the Nikita series the title was vacant and the 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.400 title was going to go to a winner. So in 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.920 both cases neither neither of the competitors in the best 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.080 of seven were champions. But in this best of seven 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.000 there are champions. So people ask a lot of the 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.120 belts on the line in every match, and the answer 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.680 is no, except for the first match. This ended up 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.600 being the first match of best of seven and the 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.479 titles were on the line, But now for the rest 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.400 of the best of seven, the titles aren't on the line, 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:05.640 and then the winners of the series get the titles. Now. Also, 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:07.719 the way that this has been set up where they 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.120 announced it was best of seven after this match and 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.280 retroactively made the first match the first of the best 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.800 of seven, this means that the elite is going in 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.200 with a disadvantage. They have already lost one of the matches, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.880 so anyway that's what they're doing. It's gonna be on television, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.159 and a lot of people noted that there's a gap. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.479 January four. Well, yes there is because Kenny Omega is 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.160 going to the Tokyo Dome and so he's not going 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.720 to be available for a trios match. On January four 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:45.599 in Seattle, Jade Cargill defeated Nyla Rose and it was 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.960 not a very good match. They made it through the match. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.440 I believe there may have been an injury during this 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.040 match which made things even worse. That is not confirmed, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.080 and usually they actually don't talk about injuries, so we 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.560 may never find out exactly what happened. But one way 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.719 the other, it was not very good. Jade Cargill retained 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.240 the title. Chris Jericho beat Bryan Danielson, Claudio and Sammy 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.000 Gavara to retain the Ring of Honor title. Thought the 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.320 match was great. They they had a split with Sammy 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.320 and Chris Jericho after Jericho hit him with an arrant 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.120 Lion salt and then Sammy ended up breaking up a 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:22.600 pin and then they came to blows and had a 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.400 big fight. Brian Danielson and Claudio also went at it, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:30.240 so UH, members of of of the team's wrestled each 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.240 other during this match, and then finally UH Chris Jericho 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.200 hit the elbow and Claudio as he was doing a 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.640 giant swing and he got the pin. So it doesn't 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:43.000 look like to me, Jericho versus Claudio at final battle 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.320 could be Danielson again. Maybe it'll be Sammy. I don't know, 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.520 but I presume they're gonna do some sort of angle 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.880 to set it up. Uh. Coming out of the Wednesday 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.000 show where Jericho will face is she E as his 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.520 latest Ring of Honor champion that he will be uh 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:05.280 press umably defeating on dynamite. Sarriah beat Britt Baker. I 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.120 would not say that this was an all time classic 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.200 match or anything resembling that, but given out long that 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.840 Siria had been out of action and probably done little 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.200 to no training, I thought that they I thought that 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.360 they did a good job. They got it, they got 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.480 through it. I thought that Britt Baker should go over. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.440 She did not. Sirea beat her clean, which is not 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:28.120 the finish that I would have done, and uh, you know, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.640 probably went too long. My. I don't want to say 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.160 I know how to do this stuff, but this match 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.960 should have been shorter and Britt should have won. The 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.600 story should have been that Sarria was rusty. Sarria would 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.720 then have to fight her way back, and in fighting 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.920 her way back, she would shake off the rust and 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.720 if she had matches and looked rusty, now it's part 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.679 of the storyline. You work your way back when she's 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.760 ready to go. Now you do a long match with 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.880 Britt Baker that you want to try to make a classic, 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.440 and then she beats Britt Baker. But coming in match 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.880 went too long, is she's still rusty? Britt did the 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:13.040 best she could. Sirea beats her clean as the outsider 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.200 w W, a wrestler as a wrestl in five years, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.080 walks in and beats Britt Baker. And now if she 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.559 doesn't have great matches, well you don't have really, uh, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.839 you know, she's You can't say she's rusty. You don't 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.439 want to say a rusty. Sirea beat Britt Baker. So 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:28.440 I think all of this would have worked out way 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.880 better if you would have print put Britt Britt over, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.320 but they didn't, and what has done is done. So Oh, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:39.480 Joe beat Wardlow and Hobbs. Wardlow hit the power bombs 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.160 on Hobbes. Joe hit Wardlow with the belt, put Hobbes 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.320 in the choke. Joe is now a double champion. They've 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:50.960 taken the title off Wardlow, and so presumably, I mean, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:52.880 I shouldn't say presumably because I don't know where they're 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.079 gonna go, but I mean you could do Wardlow m 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:01.960 JF as mgf's first major feud for the title, which 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.280 presumably would lead to Wardlow losing. But I mean there's 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.000 you know, the reality is it's okay for Wardlow to lose. 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.720 Wardlow being unable to be beaten, and that TNT title 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.040 run it cooled him down a lot, So I think that, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.520 you know, to get him over, it's okay for him 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.280 to lose every now and then for for big matches. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.600 Put him in high profile matches. He wins most he 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.559 loses here or there. I think that, uh, I think 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.880 it's okay to do that. And now Joe has uh 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.160 not unified, but he's got two belts, So now we 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.920 have one less belt running around because one guy has 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:42.560 another one. Sting Darby beat Jared and j Lethal wasn't 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.560 a great match, but the fans loved it. You did 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.960 a lot of crazy stuff. Sting fell off things like 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.240 a bat. Jeff Jarrett at his guitar shots sotten him 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.040 sings in there. They did a couple of spots with 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:58.079 him and then uh Sting ended up hitting the scorpion 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.680 death drop as Jay Lethal was come and off the ropes, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.199 and then uh Darby went up top the coffin drop 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.800 got the pin. So it was fun. Jamie Hayter beat 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.520 Tony Storm to win the title. They did not have 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.040 a lot of heat early, and ironically, as much as 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.559 everybody complains about interference, it wasn't until they started doing 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.320 interference and the fans got super into the match because 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.800 they were expecting the interference to lead to something, and 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.960 every time somebody kicked out, they got more into it. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:28.520 And finally, when Jamie Hayter won, this place went nuts 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.840 and they've wanted Jamie Hayder to be champion for a while, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.680 and it felt to me that this was a star 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:41.000 making moment for Jamie Hayter. She is a new interim 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.079 women's Champion and now we wait to see when thunder 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.560 Rosa comes back, which still could be months. You gotta 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.000 do whatever you're gonna do with Jamie and Britt, so 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:54.760 they have options here and they acclaimed defeated Swerve in 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.800 our glory. We had two options. Either Keith Lee was 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.640 going to listen to herv and turn heel and win 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:07.480 the titles, or he wasn't and he didn't. He was 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.200 offered the chance to cheat, he said, screw you. He 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.160 walked out on Swerve. The team is done. Swerve is 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.760 double teamed and pinned, and now they confused. And of 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.439 course the main of n MGF and John Moxley. That'll 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:36.839 be a segment back in a moment, Observer Live. Back 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:41.040 in the show, Bright Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live. M 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:48.040 jeff and John Moxley. All right, listen, did you know 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:52.720 I am a columnist for Sports Illustrated. Indeed, I am. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:57.680 My newest column is up right now looking at the 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:04.439 MGF John Moxley match and finish, And of course people 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.680 read it and they didn't like it. Well that's fine. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:13.719 Here's the thing to me, I predicted going in that 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.360 the finish that they were going to do was probably 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:22.120 William Regal sliding the nuts to him JF because MJF 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.360 had vowed he would not use the ring. He had 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.200 vowed he would not use the ring. Well, he didn't 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.480 use the ring. He used the nuts and he went 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:34.560 full heel and he knocked out John Moxley. And he 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.000 won the title. That was the one I figured they 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.080 would do. There was the one I did not want 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:43.080 them to do, which was the firm helping him win. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.760 And the entire thing had been a swerve after they 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.200 beat the hell out of each other for weeks on end. 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.959 Thank god they didn't do that one. Now, if you've 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.880 been listening to the show for probably going on months now, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.520 and for sure dating back all the way to when 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.920 they actually probably even a little bit before m Jeff 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:03.880 fired the firm and they beat him up, and it 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.560 was like, this is a this is a baby face 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:10.160 turn here. I advocated that he should go full baby 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:14.280 face and be top baby face and represent the company 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:20.640 that way. And my argument was that the fans want 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:28.680 it now, and I believe that when the fans want something, 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:34.760 you should give it to them. Partially by the way, 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:39.760 because when a w began, one of the things that 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.840 attracted people to it was that it was not w 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.920 w E. And if you were a fan of w 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.440 w E or you had been disgruntled with w w E, 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.120 what did you have, Well, you had a decade a 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.840 fans booing John Cena wanting him to turn heel, and 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.920 the company just barreled on through his baby face. Then 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.040 you add Roman Reigns, which was the exact same thing. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.040 They're putting there, shoving him down your throat as the 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.080 top baby face, and the fans are booing him. They 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.320 don't want it, and you stick to your guns. So 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:18.120 here to me was these fans want him to be 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.960 a baby face, so we're gonna barrel on through his he'll. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:30.480 If it doesn't work, he can turn he'll. I think 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.440 that m JF is a talented enough he'll that if 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.160 you go baby face with him and it doesn't work, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:43.240 then he goes he'll. But I didn't see a danger 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.560 in trying. Now. Of course, you know people read this and' 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:52.840 like ah, no one ever said that he needed to 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:57.400 change his character, kiss babies, do any of that. Okay, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.800 he can still be mj F. While he's still gonna 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:07.840 be m JM. Now, listen, Steve Austin. Steve Austin headed edge, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.320 but he was not a heel. Steve Auston would would 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.720 stun baby faces here and there. Steve Boston would trash 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.040 talk other baby faces, but he was not a heel. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.800 Steve Boston never won a match when somebody slid him 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:29.600 an object or when people interfered on his behalf. Whatever 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:34.040 he did, whatever edge he had, he still booted and 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:38.920 hit the stunner, and he faced other heels and he 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:43.240 was a baby face. He wasn't whole Hogan, say your prayers, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.360 take your vitamins. He was stone cold Steve Austin, but 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.480 he was a baby face. M JF can still be 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.520 m JF, but he can be a baby face and 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.600 he can face the top heels. If you don't have 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.400 enough heels, you can turn people. He'll he can face 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.800 the top heels. But he doesn't need to be hitting 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:04.840 people with the ring. He doesn't need to be healing 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.720 people with brass nuts. He doesn't need people interfering on 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:13.000 his behalf. That's a heel. The fans want to cheer him. 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.080 That was my argument. I never said you had to 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.959 change everything about m JF. But what you do change 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.120 is he doesn't hit people with the ring to win. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.800 He doesn't. In fact, the one time that somebody slid 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.760 Steve Awson an object and he used that to win, 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.920 he wasn't a baby face. That was his heel turn. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.320 So anyway, for those that didn't understand what I was 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:42.200 getting at, That's my point. But what's done is done. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.879 He is now a heel, and as I noted in 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.440 the article, here's the thing. I'm not saying this can't 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.560 work with m JF as a heel. I'm not saying 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:55.320 this can't be a big success. What I'm saying is 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:01.720 we can't predict the future. I don't know if a 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.560 baby Face run for m JF is top baby face 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.720 in a w listen. I don't know if it would 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.280 have worked. But what I do know is it could 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:14.040 have worked huge. It could have Maybe it would have 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.119 you know what, Maybe it would I don't know. But 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.080 my whole argument was if it doesn't, I have enough 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.920 faith in m JF that he can go heal again 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.320 and make being a hell work. So it's not every 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.200 day you're handed an opportunity like this. It's not every 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.960 day that, for whatever reason, the fans have decided this 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.800 is our guy. When that happens, I believe that you 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:40.320 should go with it. They didn't. We'll see what they 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.480 end up doing. Couldn't work out, great, guy's great hell, 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:52.439 But you know I've seen this before and again, we 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.119 can't predict the future. But you know there was a 0:18:55.160 --> 0:19:00.600 period it was in two thousand nine, and uh and 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.640 Jeff Hardy, for whatever reason, bro, this guy got so 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.080 hot and it felt like, oh my god, you put 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.200 the title on this guy, and you've got a new 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.280 baby face World champion, star top guy in the company. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.119 And they built that match at the Royal Rumble with 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.960 Randy Orton, and it was like, dude, there's only one finish. 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.359 Randy Orton goes from the r k Oh, Jeff Hardy 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:30.920 counters into the Twist of Fate, hits the Santon wins 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.280 the title. You've made your new top guy. And of 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.360 course the problem was Jeff Hardy had a lot of problems. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:41.280 But what they did was the opposite. What they did 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.400 was he went for the Twist of Fate, Randy Orton 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.920 turned into the r k Oh and Randy pinned him, 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.760 which I believe was leading to Randy Orton versus Triple 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.520 H for the title at WrestleMania, in a storyline that 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:59.920 absolutely sucked. Okay, Now, I can't sit here and tell 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.760 of you that if Jeff Hardy would have won the 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.680 title and been top baby face, I can't guarantee you 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.440 that it would have been like a smashing success. Okay, 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.479 We'll never know. But what I do know is what 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:18.800 they did it sucked. Okay, so I don't know if 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:23.240 m JF has top baby face, doing it right would 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.280 have been a smashing success. What I do feel is 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.600 that potentially it could have been. And right now we're 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:34.080 never gonna know. But um, I'm not saying that because 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:35.399 they didn't do it. This whole thing is going to 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.359 be a disaster. And for some reason I I talked 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.840 about it, I wrote about it. Now people like, oh ah, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.439 never said it, never said it. So anyway, that's what 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:49.480 they did. And now you know, there's a lot of questions. Well, 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.800 clearly William Regal is no longer with the Blackpool Combat Club. 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.080 What are they gonna do with the rest of the 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.560 Blackpool Combat Club? It was called the Blackpool Combat Club 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.280 because of William Regal. Do they change their name? Who stays, 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.520 who goes? What do they do with Wheeler Utah? I 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.920 mean John Moxley the show. These fans so badly wanted 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:14.119 MGF to be the baby face that mj like. Moxley 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:15.919 didn't even get a chance to come down the aisle 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.439 before he was booed. They hit that guy's music and 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.000 they booed that guy out of the building. He went 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:25.719 full heel in this match, and they booed him and 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:29.480 they hated him and they chanted bad things at him, 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.280 and then you know mjf's you know, they're totally behind him. 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.359 He worked as a baby face, everything was great and 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.320 then the end they switched it all around in m 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.520 JF went heel. So now what do you do with 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:41.520 John Moxley? Is he still a heel? Is he a 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.760 baby face? Did he turn? I don't know, I don't 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:48.000 know what's going on. It is funny though, they they 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.280 booed the guy out of the building and then when 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:51.919 the show went off the air, they gave John Moxley 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.080 a stating ovation as he as he left the ring. 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:58.200 So we'll see what they do. What we won't see 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:02.560 is MJF his top baby face, because you know, I 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.080 guess anything is possible. But for those of you that 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.399 think that, you know, he's still gonna be MGF. But 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.680 he's gonna you know, he's he's heel. He's a heel 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.960 now and they're gonna be doing everything in their power 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:15.840 to get him mightily booed. And so we shall see 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.280 what they end up doing. Who is the first challenger 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.480 where they go and UH and how successful they can 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:28.239 be with this because he is young, he's twenty six 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:31.680 years old. He's now the top star. You've got him 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:35.159 as champion, You've got a new face of the UH 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.800 of the women's division with Jamie Hayter. The acclaim to 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:43.360 retain the titles, which, by the way, the acclaimed was 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.280 was exactly what I was talking about. They got over. 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.520 Do you think that scissor Me was by design? No, 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:52.800 it was something that organically got over and they went 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.440 with it and it ended up being a huge success 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.480 and they're still take Team champions. So we got a 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.040 best of seven coming up on UH on Dynamite, which 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.040 should lead to a series of awesome matches. There's a 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.200 lot of things they can do there. So it feels 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.480 like in a lot of ways, if you watched the 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:17.040 period really from I would say from double or nothing, 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.600 from when CM Punk first got hurt and they had 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.040 to put a ton of stuff on hold. Then he 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:24.879 came back and we had a we had a fight, 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:27.600 and they had to put more stuff on hold. And 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:29.800 not only that, but you know that m JF and 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.320 Punk was supposed to be the top storyline punk was gone, 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:36.920 so they had to to redo everything multiple times. Uh, 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:42.960 starting in May through today. Hopefully now this train is 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.840 back on the tracks and uh, and we can move 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:49.440 forward because there were a lot of there were a 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.719 lot of potholes, there were a lot of twists and turns, 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.920 not all of which were great. And uh and hopefully 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.760 now everything's gonna be back on track. But we'll talk 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.640 more about the show and a ton of news after 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:19.520 the break. Observer lived back the show. Brian Elbert is 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:24.280 here Wrestling Observer Live. Some notes from Dave on full 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.679 gear Wrestling observer dot com. Dave melts really back by 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.680 the way, I think tonight, If not tonight, for sure Wednesday. 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:33.520 But Dave notes have made a vent finished with Regal 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.360 heading MGF. The nuts was Tony's idea. 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