Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: But fear not, I can easily talk for the next
Speaker 1: hour because there's a lot of stuff I'll talk about
Speaker 1: here today. Full Gear two is in the books. We
Speaker 1: have a new a e W champion and his name
Speaker 1: is Maxwell Jacob Friedman. He won the title after Yes
Speaker 1: William Regal slid him the knock and he knocked out
Speaker 1: John Moxley. So we're gonna talk about that here today.
Speaker 1: And I got a lot to say about that, especially
Speaker 1: after I had a lot to say about it, now
Speaker 1: I have more to say. Well, we'll talk about that
Speaker 1: the rest of the show as well. A lot of
Speaker 1: good matches on the show, some matches not so great,
Speaker 1: but overall I would give the show a Hey, hearty
Speaker 1: thumbs up. We'll get your thoughts as well. We've got
Speaker 1: to the n x T show coming up on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We've got Dynamite coming up on Wednesday. We've got Monday
Speaker 1: Night Raw coming up here tonight with Survivor series and
Speaker 1: War Games coming up. We have got Royal Rumble having
Speaker 1: already broken records for w w E. Kenny Omega is
Speaker 1: working the Tokyo Dome. They are doing Kenny Omega versus
Speaker 1: Will Osprey for the i w g P United States title.
Speaker 1: That will be November. I'm sorry, January four, Russell Kingdom seventeen.
Speaker 1: So Kenny Omega will not be doing the a W
Speaker 1: show coming up in Seattle, the Seattle Debut. Kyrie is
Speaker 1: a new i w g P Women's Champion. Filthy Tom
Speaker 1: Lawler fell. He fell during the New Japan X Stardom show,
Speaker 1: the Crossover Show. We talk to him about that, by
Speaker 1: the way, in about two hours and uh and I
Speaker 1: even got I haven't got through half what I want
Speaker 1: to talk about, So a lot to get into today.
Speaker 1: Back in a moment to kick it off, Wrestling Observe
Speaker 1: Alive and back of the show. Brian Elbarez here Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer Live. I'm Mike Simper BV and not to joining
Speaker 1: us here today, but I got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick look at the pay per view
Speaker 1: portion of the All out I'm sorry, the full Gear
Speaker 1: two show, and then a lot of notes on all
Speaker 1: of it. Jungle Boy defeated Luca Saurus in a cage
Speaker 1: match with the h b K elbow off the cage
Speaker 1: through a table and then he put on his snare
Speaker 1: trap and Luca Saurus submitted. I thought the opener was
Speaker 1: an excellent cage match, a lot of callbacks to the
Speaker 1: Hell in his Cell match with the Undertaker and Sean
Speaker 1: Michael's in although no kne this time around. But Luke
Speaker 1: Source is he's injured, his shoulders injured, so I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be out for a little while and hopefully
Speaker 1: he'll be back and feeling great when that happens. But
Speaker 1: a big win for Jungle Boy in the opener we had,
Speaker 1: and this was a little bit weird the way this
Speaker 1: all went down. We had an a W World Trio's
Speaker 1: title match. It was the Death Triangle versus the Elite,
Speaker 1: and my prediction had been that the Elite was gonna
Speaker 1: come back and win the titles because they were supposed
Speaker 1: to lose the titles. They were supposed to be stripped
Speaker 1: of the titles. They were stripped because of everything that
Speaker 1: went down with CM punkin the big fight back stage.
Speaker 1: And they came back and they did not win. In fact,
Speaker 1: the Death Triangle beat them when Pack slid the hammer
Speaker 1: into Ray Phoenix as Ray Phoenix was being hoisted up
Speaker 1: for the one Wing and Angel and I like the
Speaker 1: way they did it. Ray Phoenix didn't want to cheat,
Speaker 1: but in the moment he literally had two options. I
Speaker 1: take this move and him killed, or I have to
Speaker 1: use his hammer, and he used the hammer. Victory role
Speaker 1: pinned Kenny Omega. They retained the six man titles. Now,
Speaker 1: later they announced that they were going to do Death
Speaker 1: Triangle versus the Elite in a best of seven series,
Speaker 1: and people began asking, are the titles on the line
Speaker 1: and all of these matches? Now? The reason this was
Speaker 1: asked was because the two most famous best of seven
Speaker 1: matches in American wrestling history are the um so famous
Speaker 1: I'm Nikita and Ivan Coloff and uh and Booker T
Speaker 1: and Chris ben Wah. Those are the two most famous
Speaker 1: best of seven matches, so Booker t and Kris ben Wah,
Speaker 1: neither of them had a title. The winner was going
Speaker 1: to become the number one contender for the title, and
Speaker 1: in the Nikita series the title was vacant and the
Speaker 1: title was going to go to a winner. So in
Speaker 1: both cases neither neither of the competitors in the best
Speaker 1: of seven were champions. But in this best of seven
Speaker 1: there are champions. So people ask a lot of the
Speaker 1: belts on the line in every match, and the answer
Speaker 1: is no, except for the first match. This ended up
Speaker 1: being the first match of best of seven and the
Speaker 1: titles were on the line, But now for the rest
Speaker 1: of the best of seven, the titles aren't on the line,
Speaker 1: and then the winners of the series get the titles. Now. Also,
Speaker 1: the way that this has been set up where they
Speaker 1: announced it was best of seven after this match and
Speaker 1: retroactively made the first match the first of the best
Speaker 1: of seven, this means that the elite is going in
Speaker 1: with a disadvantage. They have already lost one of the matches,
Speaker 1: so anyway that's what they're doing. It's gonna be on television,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people noted that there's a gap.
Speaker 1: January four. Well, yes there is because Kenny Omega is
Speaker 1: going to the Tokyo Dome and so he's not going
Speaker 1: to be available for a trios match. On January four
Speaker 1: in Seattle, Jade Cargill defeated Nyla Rose and it was
Speaker 1: not a very good match. They made it through the match.
Speaker 1: I believe there may have been an injury during this
Speaker 1: match which made things even worse. That is not confirmed,
Speaker 1: and usually they actually don't talk about injuries, so we
Speaker 1: may never find out exactly what happened. But one way
Speaker 1: the other, it was not very good. Jade Cargill retained
Speaker 1: the title. Chris Jericho beat Bryan Danielson, Claudio and Sammy
Speaker 1: Gavara to retain the Ring of Honor title. Thought the
Speaker 1: match was great. They they had a split with Sammy
Speaker 1: and Chris Jericho after Jericho hit him with an arrant
Speaker 1: Lion salt and then Sammy ended up breaking up a
Speaker 1: pin and then they came to blows and had a
Speaker 1: big fight. Brian Danielson and Claudio also went at it,
Speaker 1: so UH, members of of of the team's wrestled each
Speaker 1: other during this match, and then finally UH Chris Jericho
Speaker 1: hit the elbow and Claudio as he was doing a
Speaker 1: giant swing and he got the pin. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like to me, Jericho versus Claudio at final battle
Speaker 1: could be Danielson again. Maybe it'll be Sammy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I presume they're gonna do some sort of angle
Speaker 1: to set it up. Uh. Coming out of the Wednesday
Speaker 1: show where Jericho will face is she E as his
Speaker 1: latest Ring of Honor champion that he will be uh
Speaker 1: press umably defeating on dynamite. Sarriah beat Britt Baker. I
Speaker 1: would not say that this was an all time classic
Speaker 1: match or anything resembling that, but given out long that
Speaker 1: Siria had been out of action and probably done little
Speaker 1: to no training, I thought that they I thought that
Speaker 1: they did a good job. They got it, they got
Speaker 1: through it. I thought that Britt Baker should go over.
Speaker 1: She did not. Sirea beat her clean, which is not
Speaker 1: the finish that I would have done, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: probably went too long. My. I don't want to say
Speaker 1: I know how to do this stuff, but this match
Speaker 1: should have been shorter and Britt should have won. The
Speaker 1: story should have been that Sarria was rusty. Sarria would
Speaker 1: then have to fight her way back, and in fighting
Speaker 1: her way back, she would shake off the rust and
Speaker 1: if she had matches and looked rusty, now it's part
Speaker 1: of the storyline. You work your way back when she's
Speaker 1: ready to go. Now you do a long match with
Speaker 1: Britt Baker that you want to try to make a classic,
Speaker 1: and then she beats Britt Baker. But coming in match
Speaker 1: went too long, is she's still rusty? Britt did the
Speaker 1: best she could. Sirea beats her clean as the outsider
Speaker 1: w W, a wrestler as a wrestl in five years,
Speaker 1: walks in and beats Britt Baker. And now if she
Speaker 1: doesn't have great matches, well you don't have really, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, she's You can't say she's rusty. You don't
Speaker 1: want to say a rusty. Sirea beat Britt Baker. So
Speaker 1: I think all of this would have worked out way
Speaker 1: better if you would have print put Britt Britt over,
Speaker 1: but they didn't, and what has done is done. So Oh,
Speaker 1: Joe beat Wardlow and Hobbs. Wardlow hit the power bombs
Speaker 1: on Hobbes. Joe hit Wardlow with the belt, put Hobbes
Speaker 1: in the choke. Joe is now a double champion. They've
Speaker 1: taken the title off Wardlow, and so presumably, I mean,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say presumably because I don't know where they're
Speaker 1: gonna go, but I mean you could do Wardlow m
Speaker 1: JF as mgf's first major feud for the title, which
Speaker 1: presumably would lead to Wardlow losing. But I mean there's
Speaker 1: you know, the reality is it's okay for Wardlow to lose.
Speaker 1: Wardlow being unable to be beaten, and that TNT title
Speaker 1: run it cooled him down a lot, So I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, to get him over, it's okay for him
Speaker 1: to lose every now and then for for big matches.
Speaker 1: Put him in high profile matches. He wins most he
Speaker 1: loses here or there. I think that, uh, I think
Speaker 1: it's okay to do that. And now Joe has uh
Speaker 1: not unified, but he's got two belts, So now we
Speaker 1: have one less belt running around because one guy has
Speaker 1: another one. Sting Darby beat Jared and j Lethal wasn't
Speaker 1: a great match, but the fans loved it. You did
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff. Sting fell off things like
Speaker 1: a bat. Jeff Jarrett at his guitar shots sotten him
Speaker 1: sings in there. They did a couple of spots with
Speaker 1: him and then uh Sting ended up hitting the scorpion
Speaker 1: death drop as Jay Lethal was come and off the ropes,
Speaker 1: and then uh Darby went up top the coffin drop
Speaker 1: got the pin. So it was fun. Jamie Hayter beat
Speaker 1: Tony Storm to win the title. They did not have
Speaker 1: a lot of heat early, and ironically, as much as
Speaker 1: everybody complains about interference, it wasn't until they started doing
Speaker 1: interference and the fans got super into the match because
Speaker 1: they were expecting the interference to lead to something, and
Speaker 1: every time somebody kicked out, they got more into it.
Speaker 1: And finally, when Jamie Hayter won, this place went nuts
Speaker 1: and they've wanted Jamie Hayder to be champion for a while,
Speaker 1: and it felt to me that this was a star
Speaker 1: making moment for Jamie Hayter. She is a new interim
Speaker 1: women's Champion and now we wait to see when thunder
Speaker 1: Rosa comes back, which still could be months. You gotta
Speaker 1: do whatever you're gonna do with Jamie and Britt, so
Speaker 1: they have options here and they acclaimed defeated Swerve in
Speaker 1: our glory. We had two options. Either Keith Lee was
Speaker 1: going to listen to herv and turn heel and win
Speaker 1: the titles, or he wasn't and he didn't. He was
Speaker 1: offered the chance to cheat, he said, screw you. He
Speaker 1: walked out on Swerve. The team is done. Swerve is
Speaker 1: double teamed and pinned, and now they confused. And of
Speaker 1: course the main of n MGF and John Moxley. That'll
Speaker 1: be a segment back in a moment, Observer Live. Back
Speaker 1: in the show, Bright Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live. M
Speaker 1: jeff and John Moxley. All right, listen, did you know
Speaker 1: I am a columnist for Sports Illustrated. Indeed, I am.
Speaker 1: My newest column is up right now looking at the
Speaker 1: MGF John Moxley match and finish, And of course people
Speaker 1: read it and they didn't like it. Well that's fine.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing to me, I predicted going in that
Speaker 1: the finish that they were going to do was probably
Speaker 1: William Regal sliding the nuts to him JF because MJF
Speaker 1: had vowed he would not use the ring. He had
Speaker 1: vowed he would not use the ring. Well, he didn't
Speaker 1: use the ring. He used the nuts and he went
Speaker 1: full heel and he knocked out John Moxley. And he
Speaker 1: won the title. That was the one I figured they
Speaker 1: would do. There was the one I did not want
Speaker 1: them to do, which was the firm helping him win.
Speaker 1: And the entire thing had been a swerve after they
Speaker 1: beat the hell out of each other for weeks on end.
Speaker 1: Thank god they didn't do that one. Now, if you've
Speaker 1: been listening to the show for probably going on months now,
Speaker 1: and for sure dating back all the way to when
Speaker 1: they actually probably even a little bit before m Jeff
Speaker 1: fired the firm and they beat him up, and it
Speaker 1: was like, this is a this is a baby face
Speaker 1: turn here. I advocated that he should go full baby
Speaker 1: face and be top baby face and represent the company
Speaker 1: that way. And my argument was that the fans want
Speaker 1: it now, and I believe that when the fans want something,
Speaker 1: you should give it to them. Partially by the way,
Speaker 1: because when a w began, one of the things that
Speaker 1: attracted people to it was that it was not w
Speaker 1: w E. And if you were a fan of w
Speaker 1: w E or you had been disgruntled with w w E,
Speaker 1: what did you have, Well, you had a decade a
Speaker 1: fans booing John Cena wanting him to turn heel, and
Speaker 1: the company just barreled on through his baby face. Then
Speaker 1: you add Roman Reigns, which was the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: They're putting there, shoving him down your throat as the
Speaker 1: top baby face, and the fans are booing him. They
Speaker 1: don't want it, and you stick to your guns. So
Speaker 1: here to me was these fans want him to be
Speaker 1: a baby face, so we're gonna barrel on through his he'll.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, he can turn he'll. I think
Speaker 1: that m JF is a talented enough he'll that if
Speaker 1: you go baby face with him and it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: then he goes he'll. But I didn't see a danger
Speaker 1: in trying. Now. Of course, you know people read this and'
Speaker 1: like ah, no one ever said that he needed to
Speaker 1: change his character, kiss babies, do any of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: he can still be mj F. While he's still gonna
Speaker 1: be m JM. Now, listen, Steve Austin. Steve Austin headed edge,
Speaker 1: but he was not a heel. Steve Auston would would
Speaker 1: stun baby faces here and there. Steve Boston would trash
Speaker 1: talk other baby faces, but he was not a heel.
Speaker 1: Steve Boston never won a match when somebody slid him
Speaker 1: an object or when people interfered on his behalf. Whatever
Speaker 1: he did, whatever edge he had, he still booted and
Speaker 1: hit the stunner, and he faced other heels and he
Speaker 1: was a baby face. He wasn't whole Hogan, say your prayers,
Speaker 1: take your vitamins. He was stone cold Steve Austin, but
Speaker 1: he was a baby face. M JF can still be
Speaker 1: m JF, but he can be a baby face and
Speaker 1: he can face the top heels. If you don't have
Speaker 1: enough heels, you can turn people. He'll he can face
Speaker 1: the top heels. But he doesn't need to be hitting
Speaker 1: people with the ring. He doesn't need to be healing
Speaker 1: people with brass nuts. He doesn't need people interfering on
Speaker 1: his behalf. That's a heel. The fans want to cheer him.
Speaker 1: That was my argument. I never said you had to
Speaker 1: change everything about m JF. But what you do change
Speaker 1: is he doesn't hit people with the ring to win.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. In fact, the one time that somebody slid
Speaker 1: Steve Awson an object and he used that to win,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a baby face. That was his heel turn.
Speaker 1: So anyway, for those that didn't understand what I was
Speaker 1: getting at, That's my point. But what's done is done.
Speaker 1: He is now a heel, and as I noted in
Speaker 1: the article, here's the thing. I'm not saying this can't
Speaker 1: work with m JF as a heel. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this can't be a big success. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: we can't predict the future. I don't know if a
Speaker 1: baby Face run for m JF is top baby face
Speaker 1: in a w listen. I don't know if it would
Speaker 1: have worked. But what I do know is it could
Speaker 1: have worked huge. It could have Maybe it would have
Speaker 1: you know what, Maybe it would I don't know. But
Speaker 1: my whole argument was if it doesn't, I have enough
Speaker 1: faith in m JF that he can go heal again
Speaker 1: and make being a hell work. So it's not every
Speaker 1: day you're handed an opportunity like this. It's not every
Speaker 1: day that, for whatever reason, the fans have decided this
Speaker 1: is our guy. When that happens, I believe that you
Speaker 1: should go with it. They didn't. We'll see what they
Speaker 1: end up doing. Couldn't work out, great, guy's great hell,
Speaker 1: But you know I've seen this before and again, we
Speaker 1: can't predict the future. But you know there was a
Speaker 1: period it was in two thousand nine, and uh and
Speaker 1: Jeff Hardy, for whatever reason, bro, this guy got so
Speaker 1: hot and it felt like, oh my god, you put
Speaker 1: the title on this guy, and you've got a new
Speaker 1: baby face World champion, star top guy in the company.
Speaker 1: And they built that match at the Royal Rumble with
Speaker 1: Randy Orton, and it was like, dude, there's only one finish.
Speaker 1: Randy Orton goes from the r k Oh, Jeff Hardy
Speaker 1: counters into the Twist of Fate, hits the Santon wins
Speaker 1: the title. You've made your new top guy. And of
Speaker 1: course the problem was Jeff Hardy had a lot of problems.
Speaker 1: But what they did was the opposite. What they did
Speaker 1: was he went for the Twist of Fate, Randy Orton
Speaker 1: turned into the r k Oh and Randy pinned him,
Speaker 1: which I believe was leading to Randy Orton versus Triple
Speaker 1: H for the title at WrestleMania, in a storyline that
Speaker 1: absolutely sucked. Okay, Now, I can't sit here and tell
Speaker 1: of you that if Jeff Hardy would have won the
Speaker 1: title and been top baby face, I can't guarantee you
Speaker 1: that it would have been like a smashing success. Okay,
Speaker 1: We'll never know. But what I do know is what
Speaker 1: they did it sucked. Okay, so I don't know if
Speaker 1: m JF has top baby face, doing it right would
Speaker 1: have been a smashing success. What I do feel is
Speaker 1: that potentially it could have been. And right now we're
Speaker 1: never gonna know. But um, I'm not saying that because
Speaker 1: they didn't do it. This whole thing is going to
Speaker 1: be a disaster. And for some reason I I talked
Speaker 1: about it, I wrote about it. Now people like, oh ah,
Speaker 1: never said it, never said it. So anyway, that's what
Speaker 1: they did. And now you know, there's a lot of questions. Well,
Speaker 1: clearly William Regal is no longer with the Blackpool Combat Club.
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do with the rest of the
Speaker 1: Blackpool Combat Club? It was called the Blackpool Combat Club
Speaker 1: because of William Regal. Do they change their name? Who stays,
Speaker 1: who goes? What do they do with Wheeler Utah? I
Speaker 1: mean John Moxley the show. These fans so badly wanted
Speaker 1: MGF to be the baby face that mj like. Moxley
Speaker 1: didn't even get a chance to come down the aisle
Speaker 1: before he was booed. They hit that guy's music and
Speaker 1: they booed that guy out of the building. He went
Speaker 1: full heel in this match, and they booed him and
Speaker 1: they hated him and they chanted bad things at him,
Speaker 1: and then you know mjf's you know, they're totally behind him.
Speaker 1: He worked as a baby face, everything was great and
Speaker 1: then the end they switched it all around in m
Speaker 1: JF went heel. So now what do you do with
Speaker 1: John Moxley? Is he still a heel? Is he a
Speaker 1: baby face? Did he turn? I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. It is funny though, they they
Speaker 1: booed the guy out of the building and then when
Speaker 1: the show went off the air, they gave John Moxley
Speaker 1: a stating ovation as he as he left the ring.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what they do. What we won't see
Speaker 1: is MJF his top baby face, because you know, I
Speaker 1: guess anything is possible. But for those of you that
Speaker 1: think that, you know, he's still gonna be MGF. But
Speaker 1: he's gonna you know, he's he's heel. He's a heel
Speaker 1: now and they're gonna be doing everything in their power
Speaker 1: to get him mightily booed. And so we shall see
Speaker 1: what they end up doing. Who is the first challenger
Speaker 1: where they go and UH and how successful they can
Speaker 1: be with this because he is young, he's twenty six
Speaker 1: years old. He's now the top star. You've got him
Speaker 1: as champion, You've got a new face of the UH
Speaker 1: of the women's division with Jamie Hayter. The acclaim to
Speaker 1: retain the titles, which, by the way, the acclaimed was
Speaker 1: was exactly what I was talking about. They got over.
Speaker 1: Do you think that scissor Me was by design? No,
Speaker 1: it was something that organically got over and they went
Speaker 1: with it and it ended up being a huge success
Speaker 1: and they're still take Team champions. So we got a
Speaker 1: best of seven coming up on UH on Dynamite, which
Speaker 1: should lead to a series of awesome matches. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of things they can do there. So it feels
Speaker 1: like in a lot of ways, if you watched the
Speaker 1: period really from I would say from double or nothing,
Speaker 1: from when CM Punk first got hurt and they had
Speaker 1: to put a ton of stuff on hold. Then he
Speaker 1: came back and we had a we had a fight,
Speaker 1: and they had to put more stuff on hold. And
Speaker 1: not only that, but you know that m JF and
Speaker 1: Punk was supposed to be the top storyline punk was gone,
Speaker 1: so they had to to redo everything multiple times. Uh,
Speaker 1: starting in May through today. Hopefully now this train is
Speaker 1: back on the tracks and uh, and we can move
Speaker 1: forward because there were a lot of there were a
Speaker 1: lot of potholes, there were a lot of twists and turns,
Speaker 1: not all of which were great. And uh and hopefully
Speaker 1: now everything's gonna be back on track. But we'll talk
Speaker 1: more about the show and a ton of news after
Speaker 1: the break. Observer lived back the show. Brian Elbert is
Speaker 1: here Wrestling Observer Live. Some notes from Dave on full
Speaker 1: gear Wrestling observer dot com. Dave melts really back by
Speaker 1: the way, I think tonight, If not tonight, for sure Wednesday.
Speaker 1: But Dave notes have made a vent finished with Regal
Speaker 1: heading MGF. The nuts was Tony's idea. You can look
Speaker 1: back at the last several weeks of the build up
Speaker 1: see the signs leading to it. Appears from the press
Speaker 1: conference MGF and Regal will be a heel champion pairing
Speaker 1: similar to Kenny Omegan Don Kallis. There was another finish
Speaker 1: brought up by several of the most influential wrestlers. He says,
Speaker 1: we don't know what it was, presumes MGF winning was
Speaker 1: not the question. It which just a different way to
Speaker 1: get there. It was an alternative way of getting there.
Speaker 1: Con was strong on his finish. That comes strong on
Speaker 1: his finished that the direction this goes. I know for
Speaker 1: sure there were people in the company that also believed
Speaker 1: that he should have gone full baby face. What the
Speaker 1: alternative finish was, I don't know, but I do know
Speaker 1: that people there were people that thought that. Regarding the
Speaker 1: pay per view number, Con noted to us regarding his
Speaker 1: comments last night, it was based on what they have
Speaker 1: now looked similar to All Out, which you would consider
Speaker 1: a success if it ends up in that realm without
Speaker 1: CM punk. All that was a hundred forty thousand, last
Speaker 1: year's full gear hundred fifty five thousand. Most did not
Speaker 1: expect the show to have a shot at beating last
Speaker 1: year's numbers. Other full gears were ninety and hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Show was announced in the years a sellout standing room only.
Speaker 1: It was actually a near sellout, six hundred shy of
Speaker 1: what would have been a full sellout for a pay
Speaker 1: per view. It did top one million dollars one million,
Speaker 1: forty thousand for the gate w W E tops is
Speaker 1: on every pay per view show as well. These days
Speaker 1: greatly topped it for stills like Clash at the Castle
Speaker 1: and WrestleMania, which topped eight mill in historically. Aside from
Speaker 1: the five a W seven figure gates this year, there's
Speaker 1: only been one other non w w E million dollar
Speaker 1: gate in U S Pro wresting history, which was MSG's
Speaker 1: New Japan Ring of Honor show. A few shows for
Speaker 1: w CW would have done that if you adjust for inflation,
Speaker 1: but in um whatever the term would be uh in
Speaker 1: nineties dollars. At the time, no w c W show
Speaker 1: ever broke one million dollars at the gate. They came
Speaker 1: very close, but they never did a one million dollar
Speaker 1: gate in nineties of money. Wayward son by Kansas that
Speaker 1: the Elite used last night will be the trio's entrance
Speaker 1: music won't be used in regular tag or singles of matches.
Speaker 1: Young Bucks wanted the song for a long time. They
Speaker 1: and their father were big fans of the song. They
Speaker 1: thought that the thoughts by people that had to do
Speaker 1: with the situation the past two months was something they
Speaker 1: were aware of, but the decision to use a preceded that,
Speaker 1: and in fact, when they were backyarders doing their backyard
Speaker 1: wrestling promotion, which would have been the early two thousands.
Speaker 1: I believe they used Wayward Sun as their entrance music,
Speaker 1: So there you go. Notes from the show. Speaking of
Speaker 1: Giant gates, Royal Rumble has surpassed five million dollars at
Speaker 1: the gate, which was the previous record. They have now
Speaker 1: set gate records for three gate records for WrestleMania, Extreme
Speaker 1: Rules and Crown Jewel. So in terms of selling tickets
Speaker 1: to major events, this place is on fire and we've
Speaker 1: got Kenny Omega. Will Osbury announced for Wrestle Kingdom seventeen
Speaker 1: for the i w g P United States title. So
Speaker 1: the lineup for the show on January four were about
Speaker 1: six weeks away. J White versus Okada for the i
Speaker 1: w GP title, will ospray Kenny Omega for the US title,
Speaker 1: tai Chi Ishi Mori and Haromu and ld Esperado and
Speaker 1: Master Watto in a four way for the junior title.
Speaker 1: FTR will be facing the winners of the Tag League,
Speaker 1: so FTR and Kenny Omega will be working the Dome
Speaker 1: and UH and not the Seattle debut. We have got
Speaker 1: Zach Saber Jr. Versus Ren Narita in the finals of
Speaker 1: the television title tournament and the new i w g
Speaker 1: P Women's champion and we'll talk about that match on
Speaker 1: the Filthy Tom Show coming up at two Pacific five
Speaker 1: Eastern today, as well as his match at the Stardom
Speaker 1: New Japan Crossover show. Kyrie, we'll face Tom tam Nakano
Speaker 1: for the i d g P Women's Championship. So with
Speaker 1: Kenny Omega in Japan, that means there is uh there
Speaker 1: is no UH trio's titles match in Seattle, So I
Speaker 1: wonder if the Young Bucks are also going to the
Speaker 1: Tokyo Dome. I have not heard one way or the other.
Speaker 1: And then the question is going to be about old
Speaker 1: Carl Anderson. Is he work in the show to drop
Speaker 1: that title and to win me some money? I think
Speaker 1: he might be, but we shall see. Yes, Kyrie be
Speaker 1: Mayu Iwatani with her insane elbow off the top though
Speaker 1: they had an excellent match. Actually heard that the the
Speaker 1: Kyrie match on the Stardom pay per view on Friday
Speaker 1: was better, but I have not seen that show yet. Um,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that is noted on the Filthy
Speaker 1: Tom Show later on this afternoon. Being the elite is back.
Speaker 1: Now that the Elite are back, Young Bucks and Kinney
Speaker 1: return backstage in October. They are still vps, by the way,
Speaker 1: e vps. Uh they've re They've started doing whatever work
Speaker 1: they do with c vps, and uh what that is,
Speaker 1: I actually have no idea, but they do it. And
Speaker 1: then uh, they talked about some some stuff on BT.
Speaker 1: We're officially back. We however, have been technically back backstage
Speaker 1: for a few weeks. But now we've been on screen,
Speaker 1: We've wrestled, we've done it. We are back now being
Speaker 1: the Elite is back and everything is kind of back
Speaker 1: to reality, said Matt Jackson. You know what, I don't
Speaker 1: feel like we were officially back though until last night
Speaker 1: at Full Gear. We were around for four weeks, but
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like it. There was something missing, I think,
Speaker 1: and I think that's something missing was us performing live.
Speaker 1: So we did that. We scratched the itch. We are back.
Speaker 1: He said that people don't understand because we haven't been
Speaker 1: able to really talk about it. But this has been
Speaker 1: to the hardest months of my life, said Matt. I
Speaker 1: know Nick two and my family here we are. We
Speaker 1: got through it. You just never know what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: until you do it. Just hear the support last night
Speaker 1: and to hear how happy and to see how people
Speaker 1: a lot of people were to see us. It really
Speaker 1: meant the world to us and Kenny. It felt good.
Speaker 1: You know, we're going through the healing process right now,
Speaker 1: but I think last night was a big step for
Speaker 1: us to get there. It felt good. I did hear
Speaker 1: the backstage, like everybody was so happy after that match, hugging,
Speaker 1: just happy that it was over and that they were
Speaker 1: back and uh, and really a feeling that, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things missing on Dynamite for the last
Speaker 1: several months. You know, we talked about the uh booking
Speaker 1: going like this, it was also just you were missing
Speaker 1: Young Bucks matches, you were missing Kenny Omega matches and uh,
Speaker 1: and it was a hole in the show. I mean
Speaker 1: there were still great matches and everything like that, but
Speaker 1: you know, these Dynamite shows with Death Triangle, Young Bucks
Speaker 1: and Kenny Omega week after week after week. I mean,
Speaker 1: the matches are gonna be great, but I'm also looking
Speaker 1: forward to It's I don't know this, but I feel
Speaker 1: it's not just gonna be Hey, let's go out and
Speaker 1: have a great match. Every week there's a story that's
Speaker 1: going to be told here and and what that story is,
Speaker 1: you know, I predicted for the show that the young
Speaker 1: Bucks were going to win and that the death triangle
Speaker 1: was gonna split up when Penton Phoenix turned on Poc
Speaker 1: and they didn't do that, and they had to finish
Speaker 1: where Phoenix used the hammer and got the win. But
Speaker 1: as noted the way that they did it, Phoenix didn't
Speaker 1: want to use the hammer. He was offered the hammer
Speaker 1: earlier in the match and he threw the hammer away.
Speaker 1: He was all groggy, he was being lifted up on
Speaker 1: the shoulders pack shoved the hammer into his hand and
Speaker 1: he got up there and it was like I either
Speaker 1: die or I hit this guy, but bam, he hit
Speaker 1: him and he was sad about it towards and so
Speaker 1: they did that finish. But now they have a story
Speaker 1: that you can carry out through the rest of this
Speaker 1: best of seven where my presumption is when it ends,
Speaker 1: it'll be what I predicted for this weekend, which is
Speaker 1: the Elite wins the title and uh Pock ends up
Speaker 1: breaking up with Penta and Phoenix and they go their
Speaker 1: separate ways. Um, there are other things you can do.
Speaker 1: I mean. Dj here notes that Penta didn't seem to
Speaker 1: mind the usage of the hammer. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what pent and Phoenix feel about them splitting and
Speaker 1: doing a series of matches which I'm sure would be
Speaker 1: blow away matches. Brother versus brother usually doesn't work in
Speaker 1: pro wrestling. Maybe this would be exception, or maybe they
Speaker 1: don't go that way at all. I don't know. Former
Speaker 1: you say. Heavyweight champion occasional professional wrestler Kane Velasquez as
Speaker 1: A requested permission to be part of Triple as or
Speaker 1: turned to the US on Saturday, December three. He is
Speaker 1: out on one million dollars bail on attempted murder charges
Speaker 1: from a February incident in which he allegedly chased down
Speaker 1: a man fired a weapon into a truck that contains
Speaker 1: several people, one of them being a man who allegedly
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted both his child and one of a relative.
Speaker 1: In Santa Clara County Court on Monday for an arrangement
Speaker 1: uh Velasquez in his legal team as Judge Daniel Nishigaya
Speaker 1: for position up permission to wrestle at the Promotions Tempe
Speaker 1: Arizona show, their first in the country. Since they ran
Speaker 1: New York City in September of twenty nineteen. Now, if
Speaker 1: this show we're being held in Mexico, I would say
Speaker 1: no chance zero they're gonna allow him to go to Mexico,
Speaker 1: go over the border. But if the show has taken
Speaker 1: place in temper Arizona, I think it's possible they're gonna
Speaker 1: let him do it. So we shall see. They've been
Speaker 1: discussing involvement. According to Mark Romnde since last week, released
Speaker 1: on Bail November eight, he'd wrestled for Triple A three
Speaker 1: times before and also wrestled for w w E that
Speaker 1: that Crown Jewel match against brock Lessner where he did
Speaker 1: that match one house show and then they fired him
Speaker 1: and Uh Caine v Alaska's loves Luca and uh and
Speaker 1: I honestly think he's better suited for h Luca matches
Speaker 1: in Triple A than than for w w E. But
Speaker 1: we'll see if they let him do it, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the big question. Bryan Danielson says what brings him
Speaker 1: joy in wrestling these days giving back to the business
Speaker 1: and helping younger talent. What I feel my job is
Speaker 1: in wrestling at this point, He says, is service. That's
Speaker 1: what actually brings me the most joy, me being champ
Speaker 1: anything like that. They really wanted me to be a
Speaker 1: champion of a w really wanted me to be a
Speaker 1: champion or whatever. I do it if they thought it
Speaker 1: was good for business or whatever. But that's not what
Speaker 1: inspires me or what brings me joy. Being able to
Speaker 1: get back in the ring with a younger talent, being
Speaker 1: able to give back all that kind of stuff, that's
Speaker 1: the stuff that brings value to my life now, especially
Speaker 1: as an older wrestler or someone who is forty one.
Speaker 1: I laugh because if you watch his matches, it's just
Speaker 1: violent torture of these young guys, just pummeling and killing them.
Speaker 1: And that's what brings him joy. That brings us to
Speaker 1: the next next couple of shows. I actually don't have
Speaker 1: a RAW lineup for tonight. What the hell is happening
Speaker 1: on Raw? Anybody know? Check it out real quick, see
Speaker 1: if they've got anything on their their website. Here Oscar
Speaker 1: and Ria Ripley dig into the trenches for the war
Speaker 1: games advantage. So that's right, they're resting tonight for the
Speaker 1: war games advantage and anything else. Huh, who cares? I
Speaker 1: can't find it. Maybe there's more. I'll move on n
Speaker 1: x T tomorrow, Everybody's favorite show. We have got Wes
Speaker 1: Lee defending the n x T North American title versus
Speaker 1: Carmelo Hayes. Wendy Chew will be facing Cora Jade, Ivy
Speaker 1: Nile faces Keana James. Scripts will be revealed tomorrow, and
Speaker 1: Toxic Attraction is going to kick off the show. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll find out who is next to have a long
Speaker 1: series of matches with Mandy Rose and come out on
Speaker 1: the losing end, or maybe someone will beat her get
Speaker 1: it over with. We'll talk about Dynamite after the break
Speaker 1: ups are life back in the show Bright nowver is
Speaker 1: here Wrestling Observer Alive. I am happy to announce that
Speaker 1: tonight we will have Dave Meltzer on the show. We're
Speaker 1: doing a show tonight. He's in Hawaii, so we'll just
Speaker 1: have a smiling picture of Dave up on the screen.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk all of the news. I don't think
Speaker 1: you can watch rob but fear not, I got it
Speaker 1: and everything else, So that's coming up later on tonight.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about his match, the rest of the Crossover show,
Speaker 1: what he's seen, what I've seen, SmackDown and more that's
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good time over the next couple
Speaker 1: of days. And we got a lot of stuff coming
Speaker 1: up leading into Survivor Series and Dynamite this coming Wednesday,
Speaker 1: which has Jericho ISHII for the r o H title,
Speaker 1: Ethan Page versus Ricky Stark's finals of the a W
Speaker 1: Title Eliminator Tournament, Orange Cassidy Jake Hagar for the All
Speaker 1: Atlantic title, and match two that Triangle and the Elite
Speaker 1: Best of seven. There's a lot to get into. I'll
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