1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Hello, it's Alec Baldwin. We're going to rebroadcast an episode 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: from our archives. This week. You'll hear my conversation with 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Paula Pell, who I met when she was a writer 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: on Saturday Night Live. We'll have new episodes of Here's 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: the Thing beginning March fifteenth. Until then, enjoy my talk 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: with one of the funniest people I've ever met, Paula Pell. 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: Thing from my Heart Radio. Not long ago, there used 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: to be two types of comedians, comedians and female comedians. 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Today there are so many women making us laugh that 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: the qualifier has been rendered obsolete. Saturday Night Live deserves 12 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: a lot of the credit for this development. The show 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: has introduced us to Gilda Radner, Jan Hooks, Maya Rudolph, 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Teina Faye, and Kristen Wigg, to name just a few. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: But there's been another woman at SNL, a woman who 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: has been quietly working day after day for seventeen years, 17 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: often without sleeping. To usher in this reality seventeen years, 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: I've been there yet. Paula Pell was working at a 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: Florida theme park when she got her dream job as 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: a writer at Saturday Night Live. Because the show has 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: such a wide comedic range, it's the perfect challenge for Paula. 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: You've got the hard hitting news parodies and then on 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: the other end, you know, it's got fart jokes. It's 24 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: got everything in it of the low parts of comedy, 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: mostly me being responsible for Thailand albm of Eli Baldwin 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: taking a taking a ship in a bed while he's sleeping. 27 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 1: Tell Albim releases a gentle sleep aid into your system 28 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: that allows deep, restless sleep for up to ten hours, 29 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: so deep it turns off your brains need to control 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: the bodily functions most likely to wake you. Rachel was like, 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: did you yourself, I've slept like a baby? Done me? 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: Tell me? You tell me, you tell me. In her 33 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: memoir Bossy Pants, Tina Fey writes that her proudest moment 34 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: as head writer at SNL was fighting for one of 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Pell's sketches introducing co Text. Classic Classic co Text is 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: a commercial for the feminine protection of Yesteryear, featuring the 37 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: sexy women proudly encumbered with bulky pads connected to belts 38 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: peeking out of your clothes. I always know it's there. 39 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: You can't take the original room Girls, old school. Paula 40 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: pel In person is genuine, charming and easy, the kind 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: of person you might actually talk to if you sat 42 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: next to her on a plane, which, for those of 43 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: you not in the industry, is not a description of 44 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: the typical comedy writer. I was always a bit of 45 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: a class clown. I was. I was a good Catholic girl, 46 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: so I always wanted to be I never wanted to 47 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: get in trouble. But I really pushed the envelope because 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: I would be funny in class and I do things 49 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: like one of my teachers. I would um do a 50 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: bit where I would go by him and drag my 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: hand along the chalk line, you know, the chuck shelf, 52 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: And then I'd come over and I'd say, you know, 53 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Mr Gracier, just a really great teacher, and I pat 54 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: him on the back and I'd leave like a handprint. 55 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: He'd let me make him a little bit the fool 56 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: for a moment, and then he'd do you know, he 57 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: looked like Rob Briner and all in the family at 58 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: the big bushy mustache and along there, and he just 59 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: kind of looked a camera three, you know, non existent, 60 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: and the audience. Would you know, the audience the class 61 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: would would crack up, or I'd pass notes and say 62 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: when I sneeze, because I have a really good fake sneeze, 63 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: and I would say when I sneeze, everybody fall up 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: their chairs, and you know, I'd always be doing something. 65 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: But I grew up with an extremely funny dad, and 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: my mom is he worked for Ellinois Bell. We grew 67 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: up in Illinois and then moved to Orlando when I 68 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: was a teenager. But my entire childhood, my grandpa was 69 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: a watchmaker for West Clark's. So my dad always learned 70 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: that from my grandpa. And then when he came to Florida, 71 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: he worked for a T and T for many years, 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: and then when he retired, he became a teacher of 73 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: watch repair, watch making, all all of it. So how 74 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: does the guy who works for the phone company and 75 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: how does he and he becomes watch tinkerer? How was 76 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: the funny in his life at home? He's just ungodly witty, 77 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: he's really but never wanted to be in the business himself. 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: Where did he express? Probably did, But you know, I 79 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: look at all the people in my family and all 80 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: the relatives of different generations, and they all had their things. 81 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: You know, my mom has a beautiful singing voice. They 82 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: all had something that they wanted to do. But the 83 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: way they grew up was you just you know, you 84 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: have kids early, and you you kind of figure out 85 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: what you need to do to pay for that. And 86 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 1: and so they, you know, a lot of times didn't 87 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: have the luxury that kids have now. Even though it's 88 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: hard to get a job to say, you know I'm 89 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: doing this, that you didn't sign on to that program, 90 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: what was wrong with you? Well, I they wouldn't just 91 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: do what you were supposed to do. They knew that 92 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: I was pretty hopeless. I mean at my confirmation where 93 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: you get the Holy Spirit, I came down the stairs 94 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: at my party and had torn like eight holes in 95 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: my pantios and said I had the Holy Spirit and 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: just would do things like that all the time, you know. 97 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: And this was before I drank or smoked anything. I 98 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 1: was always a total hand. But my dad really taught 99 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: me that he's the king of like. I will tell 100 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: you that. One of the hardest times I laughed at 101 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: him is my mom and I were watching die Hard 102 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: on television. My Dad's cut in the yard and he's 103 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: outside cutting the yard. He's got his little jean shorts 104 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: on and his tank top and he keeps coming in 105 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: and walking by and kind of half listening. He's a 106 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: really good quiet half listener. But then he'll do something 107 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: based on what he's been listening to. I you know, 108 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: I was listening to my mom and the terrorist had 109 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: the long blond hair, you know, the big like kind 110 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: of Nordic guy at the beginning. Yeah, And my mom says, 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, but I don't like long hair, 112 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: but that is pretty foxy, and she's like commenting on 113 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: so we're laughing about it and everything, and then I'm 114 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: not kidding. Like an hour later, my dad just walked through. 115 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 1: He had gone in my room and gotten a wig 116 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: that I had of all my ship in my room, 117 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: put a long wig on with just his grass cutting stuff, 118 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: and just walked through. He didn't stop, he didn't do 119 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: a bit. He just walked through. They also knew that 120 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: rule like that you keep the ball in the air 121 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: and play along. They were good, Yes, without the training, 122 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: they were good improv people. King of like a prop 123 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: he'll just And what I love about it is my 124 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: parents are in their seventies now, and you know, and 125 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: my mom was always like you'd say, you know, you go, 126 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: oh god, Dad is so funny to you, Thank god, 127 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: thank god he's funny. We had so much laughter in 128 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: our house, you know, despite any any dysfunction, as any family, 129 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: we always laugh. Where did you go to college? I 130 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: went to college at University of Tennessee. I first went 131 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: to a local college in Orlando, a community college for 132 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: two years. So you moved to Florida. I moved to Florida. 133 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: My dad went down for a T and T for 134 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: at antitrust suit that they had. Um. Yeah, it was 135 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: like seven at late seventies. You know. We had gone 136 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: a few times down to Disney World with our little 137 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,119 Speaker 1: pop up camper and like that was a vacation place. 138 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: That wasn't a place you move. And my parents sent 139 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: us a little brought back a little polaroid of the 140 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: house they bought, and it was, you know, about seventy dollars. 141 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: But it had this gigantic pool because in Orlando so 142 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: many people have pools, even with you know, inexpensive houses. 143 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: And we just thought we won the lottery. You know. 144 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: It was just insane. But we got there and it 145 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: was really hard the first year too. I just never 146 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: liked to be I mean, I think being new is 147 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: a very important thing to do for growth. I think 148 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: it really galvanizes a lot of stuff inside you, of 149 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: who you are and everything. And I'm glad in hindsight, 150 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: but I used to just wake up in the morning 151 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: and just cry, and you know, just because I had 152 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: so much familiarity and comfort with all the kids that 153 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: I went to school. It's just I was always quiet 154 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: at first, you know, and then by my senior year, 155 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: I got really involved in well in the girls you know, 156 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: would go because I remember when you'd come in, you know, 157 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: you came in your junior year and I'd say, oh, 158 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: really really because I came in my sophomore year and 159 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: sat next to you for an entire class and you were, 160 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, cold, little ass wipe to me. But you 161 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: know that's right now we're friends. And what was the 162 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: difference for you in terms of the people if you can, 163 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: if you can caracter from Illinois to Florida, I mean Florida. 164 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: I mean, one thing that really helped me was I 165 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: was always I always sang. So I went in immediately 166 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: into a concert choir, and so that was wonderful because 167 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: then I had a social group pretty quickly. But the 168 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: one thing about Florida that was so different that freaked 169 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: me out was that, you know, I never thought I 170 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: was growing up in Illinois and necessarily I mean a 171 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: cold sort of atmosphere. It was emotionally warm. I had 172 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: great friends, you know, my family warm. But when I 173 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: got to Florida, everybody hugged constantly. Everyone was so affectionate 174 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: in such a crazy way that I remember sing it's 175 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: I remember coming home and going stop cupping my nipples 176 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: tenor I don't know you in the choir no, but 177 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: people would um. I kept thinking it was our director's 178 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: birthday or something. I was like, what the hell is 179 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: going on in here? Everyone is hugging our teacher, hugging 180 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: each other. I realized it was just that was just 181 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: the way everyone did, you know. And then my girl, 182 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: my um, who eventually became my girlfriend of many years, 183 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: was my best friend in high school, and we were 184 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: very huggy, and that all worked out because that was 185 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: the right person, not the teacher, not until after we 186 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: graduated exactly. Then then you went to the college down there. 187 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: I went to the college for two years down there, 188 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: and I was, um, well, their theater department was amazing, 189 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: their art department was incredible, and I was also an 190 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: artist Seminole Community College. But I mean the heads of 191 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: those departments and the music department were so incredible that 192 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: today they still are some of my favorite people that 193 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: have gotten taught Because is my art professor, Grady Kimsey, 194 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: who I'm a really good friend with. Still he had 195 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: gone to UT years and years ago, just kept saying, 196 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: you gotta go check out UT. And then my girlfriend 197 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: was going to North Carolina, so it kind of you know, 198 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: I'd go up and visit, and I'd never been up 199 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: in those mountains, and I just fell in love with 200 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: us there because I'm such a nature freaking Yeah, I 201 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: went crazy for it. And when you left there, what happened? 202 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: And then I finished college and I came home and 203 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: I worked at the theme parks. What's that? Like? How 204 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: do you get the job at Disney? Like? Who's is 205 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: there somebody who's like a casting person? Well, yeah, there's 206 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: talent people. And you know, I had worked with an 207 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: improv group called sac Theater in Orlando. They at the 208 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: time contracted out to Disney, so they did all the 209 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: like in Apcott in Italy, the comedian doll Art too. 210 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: You know. They would do all the comedy that's kind 211 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: of the roaming, atmospheric comedy. And then they built Pleasure Island, 212 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: which was the nighttime Disney. You know, all the nightclubs 213 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: Pleasure Island, Pleasure Island, Welcome Come, Mickey has no Pants 214 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: on an entire island they built that had all these clubs. 215 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: They had like a big discotheque. They had a country 216 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: Western sort of music club. It was just kind of 217 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: like a strip of nighttime establishments, but all in Disney. 218 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: But it was late night and it kind of a 219 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: downtown feel, like a cluster. And they would have like 220 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve every night, so they'd have dancers come 221 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: out and they dance. And it was really a fabulous 222 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: place to work as a young actor because it felt 223 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: cool and I could and I did a lot of improvisation. 224 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: But then we also did like radio shows and singing. 225 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: We could be kind of dirty. I mean, it wasn't filthy. 226 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't go full till my typical filth 227 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: that you know of. I didn't pell out, but you 228 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: would interact with the guests, so there, you know, you'd 229 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: be sitting there with some old British dude who's getting 230 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: drunk and just get into a conversation. And I played 231 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: Pamelia Perkins, the president of the Adventurous Club, and it 232 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: was kind of a Teddy Roosevelt era sort of place. 233 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: And I had this big buffont and I could just 234 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: be as body as hell. I mean I would get 235 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: on guy's laps and you know, have my legs up 236 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: in the air because I was like a matron sort 237 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: of character. And we used to have such a blast. 238 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: But then also during that time I went down Penis 239 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: Avenue for about two years. I was dating men for 240 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: a little while, and I would hook up with people, 241 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: I mean just meeting like different people I meet, well, 242 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: just guests, and you know, you'd meet some super super charismatic, 243 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 1: handsome person. You'd be sitting there laughing and you be 244 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: in costume, and then they'd be like, what are you 245 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: guys doing after you know the characters, what do these 246 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: characters do next? And there was a restaurant and there 247 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: were bars down the street that they would let us 248 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: after work go to. So you just take change all 249 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: your clothes and you know, blow drive the ship out 250 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: of your hair and go now I'm twenty five again. 251 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: And I'd walk down there and and it was New 252 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: Year's Eve. Every day it was New Year's but you 253 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: vomited every day and lost your virginity every day. What Pamelion, 254 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: Pamelia Perkins, Pamelia, Pamelia Perkins. Of course he's banging the 255 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: guests two at a time. I mean for an actor. 256 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: At that time, I was making really good money and 257 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: had full insurance everything, had a car, rented a little house. 258 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: You know. It was kind, it was. It was a beautiful. 259 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: It was a beautiful life. And then I got started 260 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: crazy with it and that was just about when happened. 261 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: But how does how does that happen? How did they 262 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: find you? It was? It was a beautifully random, amazing thing. 263 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: We'll be back in a minute. I had worked with 264 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: Sick Theater. They had a theater downtown. They would call 265 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: me every so often and I go do a set 266 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: with them where I do a character that I had written. 267 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: And so they said, you know, we're going to do 268 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: this sketch comedy pilot called chuckle Head. And they said 269 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: will you be in it and do those characters? And 270 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: I said sure, I mean I was doing, like I 271 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: got beat up in America's most wanted, you know, all 272 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: the local all the things that we're shooting in Orlando. 273 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: I would do, you know. And I did this lottery 274 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: character for years in about three states that was played 275 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: the Worlitz Organ. You know, sexy characters, ale, you know, 276 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: but all from the Matron Handbook. I was born at 277 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: fifty Alec. But um they called me. My agent called 278 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: me one day and she said, are you sitting down? 279 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: I said yes. She said, Saturday Night Live saw that 280 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: pilot Lauren wants to meet you. And I'm like, okay, 281 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: for what And she goes, now, it is not an audition, 282 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: but he wants to fly you up and talk to you. 283 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, what is it? An orgy? Am 284 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:57,119 Speaker 1: I being summoned? What in the f And I said okay, 285 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: And so I flew up there. You know, talk about vacating. 286 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean it was like emmodium city the entire two 287 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: days of getting there. He was two hours, you know, 288 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: or three hours late for the meeting, but he was 289 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: super nice. And I sat with Marcy Klein and Ayala 290 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: in the talent room and I was so nervous that 291 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: they ordered food and they said, um, we're ordering zen palette. 292 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: You know, vegetarian, We're ordering zen palette. Do you want anything? 293 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: And I said, just just like a couple of white 294 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: rice would be good, just like rice. And I just 295 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: got a dry cup of white rice and set and 296 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: ate it. I went in and he said, we have 297 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: just cleaned house. It was it was when well Ferrell 298 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: and everybody ken. He said, we've cleaned house. We're starting over. 299 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna rise again. We're hoping, and we're 300 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: gonna try to infuse it with new talent, and we 301 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: would like to hire you to be a writer. When 302 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, I've never done that. I 303 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, I don't even I mean I didn't even 304 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: use a computer at that point. And I said I can't, 305 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: you know. And if you tell them you can't, then 306 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: they will. He will keep saying well, and he said, 307 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: well we'll show you, you know. But it was so 308 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: quick that it made me worry that there was something wrong, 309 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: like there was a scam or something like this was 310 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: all some kind of freaking joke, because I was like, 311 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: this can't be. And how soon after that were you 312 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: moving to New York? Um? I had five days to move, 313 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: packed up my whole life, gave my animals to my mom, 314 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: temporarily went up to New York City, and you know, 315 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: just was just ungodly miserable and I mean with fear. 316 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: But Mike Shoemaker called me right before I left because 317 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: I was starting to freak out to the point of going, 318 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to my dream place. I mean, I was 319 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: obsessed with us. Now. When I was little, I used 320 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: to audiotape it. I used to perform Rosanna, Rosanna Dana 321 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: for my high school in the auditorium, and I thought, 322 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm just going to be sitting around with like, you know, 323 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: ten Harvard dudes looking at me, going who the fund is? 324 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: Who hired Kathy Bates Light and you know, and why 325 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: is she? And I adore Kathy Bathed by the way, 326 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: but they were just you know, I thought that I 327 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: would be so not of their world, of these writer 328 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: early sort of people, and I didn't realize how many 329 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: writers there are performers. And so Shoemaker called me, and 330 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: I still thank him for this because he really is 331 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: the reason that I ended up getting the balls to 332 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: get there. But he called and he said, some people 333 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: want to say hi, and it was you know, Cindy 334 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: Capanair and Lorina So and all these people that were 335 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: new that were terrified, and they all got on the 336 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: phone going, we can't wait to meet you. And I 337 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: hung up the phone and I just burst into tears. 338 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: I said, it's all gonna be okay. No matter what, 339 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. It's just a group of people. 340 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: It's almost like of all the years of doing plays, 341 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: it's like it's a new cast getting in a cast 342 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: seventeen years. I've been there yet seventeen And well, I 343 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: think in general, comedy has gotten a little, you know, 344 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: it's gone through its ebbs and flows in terms of 345 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: things being more character driven or or you know, more conceptual. 346 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that show always has great amount 347 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: of both. And I always loved the fact that that 348 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: show had something for everybody. You know, I'd sit with 349 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: a group of people that I'd love certain things and 350 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: they'd love certain things, and so I, yeah, I love 351 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: the band. I love the balance, you know, I love 352 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: the balance of it. Um. But one of the biggest 353 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: things that's changed in general to me is the Internet. 354 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: Because when I was growing up and you were an actor, 355 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: you had to create a body of work by really 356 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: doing it and getting hired, and then they would give 357 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: you access to tape of it. You know, you couldn't 358 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: just go on machines and videotape yourself and make a 359 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: beautifully edited, great comedy piece and put that on the internet. 360 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you just can't do it. I mean, my 361 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: my real I just remember, you know, I do a 362 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: tiny role in something and just love that. I was 363 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: adding that to my real and you'd have to go 364 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: to like a video place and pay the guy to 365 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: sit there and do it on the gigantic machine. The 366 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: Internet has changed things profound Yeah, it just and I 367 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: think in a bad way. It gave people a sense 368 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: of entitlement of there isn't as much awe of all 369 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: of it because they do it themselves. So it's like, oh, yeah, 370 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: I have you know this, I've done, I've done my show. 371 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: You know, they created themselves, which is very empowering and wonderful. 372 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: And it's also getting a lot more comedy out there 373 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: of hilarious people that would never usually walk into a 374 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: room in an audition, right right right. That seems to 375 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: me to have been the condition for me, which is 376 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: I've come to us and now and um, the signals 377 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: that I picked up in Hooks and all that crowd 378 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: back then was you know, my career wasn't that iconic 379 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: to send up me and my career. And so it's 380 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: not like I'm Stallone or Schwartz and neggrassing like that 381 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: where we do that. So you come in and right 382 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: away you pick up I've got to become like everybody 383 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: else and become a member of the company. And as 384 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: soon as I got that, as soon as I kind 385 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: of picked up that vibe from them, I was, you know, 386 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: asked to come back and come back and come back. 387 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: And what it does is it for me as a performer, 388 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: it's killed everything else that's supposed to be funny. Well, 389 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: and I wonder what that's like for you where you're 390 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: in the world, where you work with the funniest people. 391 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: No matter what people say about SNL, you know, it's 392 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: not always gonna work, but when it works, it's I 393 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: think it's the best. What's it been like for you, Well, 394 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: you get so you get so you know, isolated there 395 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: in great ways and weird ways, because it's there's nothing 396 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: like it. You cannot compare that experience with anything but 397 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: it really is so intense. And you you know, I 398 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: started writing movies two years ago and working into that, 399 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: I realized how stretched out the time is, to the 400 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: point where, you know, I mean, we'll go between dress 401 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: and air, and Lauren will say, I don't like the 402 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: whole top of that, like add you know, a couple 403 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: of new jokes, So you're you're coming up with new 404 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: jokes at eleven fifteen. And let me just put a 405 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: finer point on that for our radio audience, our podcast audience, 406 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: because um that SNL does a full dress rehearsal at 407 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: eight o'clock on Saturday night with an audience with a 408 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: lengthier show. And let's say normally they have seven sketches 409 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: in the air show, they do like eleven sketches at eight, 410 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: and they're gonna pick what worked best and then they're 411 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: going to be right. So when that finishes at ten, 412 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: maybe ten fifteen, maybe ten thirty, who knows. It's a 413 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: long show show, and then you've got an hour where 414 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: you're sitting in a room and in that hour between shows, 415 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: that's when Lauren and the producers and their VIDs edit 416 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: that show and choose what they're going to do and 417 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: ask for rewrites, and they're getting rid of that audience. 418 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: They're bringing in a new one. The band is warming 419 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 1: up the new audience, and you'll walk through and have 420 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: a task to change something, and you're walking by these 421 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: people that are walking in to their seats looking like 422 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm so excited I'm here, and you're like, I don't 423 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: know what we're gonna have for you, but we're gonna 424 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: do it right now. You know. I did a Bobby 425 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: and Marty one time with Will and Anna, and they 426 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: found out that we were losing time quickly, and so 427 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: they said, you have to take like two minutes out 428 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: of this. I mean it just and it was between 429 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: the commercial break. So I went downstairs and I was 430 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: kneeling down with the que card people. They were just 431 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: putting tape over sections and we're like, okay, does that 432 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: make sense? Does it does? And go with children And 433 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that if like Dr Oz did my 434 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: actual age, you know how they test you and you're 435 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: actually I'm probably a hundred and eighty now because the 436 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: stress of that. It's just such adrenaline and you know, 437 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: but I mean the beautiful thing about S and L 438 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: is hosts will come in and and you know, never 439 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: you because you were always very approachable. Whenever anyone asked 440 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: me about hosts, I always tell them that, you know, 441 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: you are always one of my favorite hosts. I'm not 442 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: blowing air up here, coolo, I'm going to lose that. 443 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: What is coolo? And yeah, well yeah, if you're blowing smoke. 444 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: But obviously could you have men do have other holes. 445 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: But like you know, host will come in with their 446 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: people and they're very nice and very scared, but they 447 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: have a little bit of that sometimes because they're fearful 448 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: and they have people protecting them. And by the end 449 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: of the week, they just always at that after party, 450 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, they're sitting with everybody and laying across everybody 451 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: because it feels like theater. It feels like I'm I'm 452 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: in theater camp and this is what I miss doing. 453 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: More from Paul Appell in a moment, This is Alec 454 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: Baldwin and you're listening to here's the thing. Paul Appell 455 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: has been writing sketches at SNL for seventeen years, but 456 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: like any of us, sometimes she just gets tired of comedy. 457 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, you don't want to watch in 458 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: the pity now? My my gal of fourteen years. She 459 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: watches a lot of TV, and she watches shows that 460 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't generally watch, like Castle or you know, like 461 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: Kawai Fibo or like Murder Show and I mean, you 462 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: know murder shows, C S I and CIS. She'll watch 463 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: all She'll take She'll tape all these shows and like Elementary, 464 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: all these new shows, and I'll get totally hooked on 465 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: things and realize that I just love I always loved 466 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: having drama and comedy together. I mean, that's the fun 467 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: thing about writing movies now is you can have a 468 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: moment that's just a heart wrenching moment in a comedy 469 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: that's that's real. You know, that feels more three dimensional, 470 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: because after seventeen years of sketches, you do get a 471 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: little stir crazy with feeling like you're just writing something 472 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: on the surface. I mean, it's great to make people laugh, 473 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: but when I go home, I love to watch dramas 474 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: or some reality things. I love to just not think 475 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: about comedy. I do the show and I go out 476 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: there and it's really um and I'll say, I'm never 477 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: doing this, this is ridiculous. I can't be bothered with 478 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: this toastyiness people to these people are all young and 479 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: they're all crazy and the little puerile and all they 480 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: talk about his thoughts and brazils and so forth. And 481 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go do as you like it in 482 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: the park. Then of course, you know, Lauren calls me. 483 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, yeah, he'll call me like I get 484 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: thrown off the plane on American Airlines for for playing 485 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 1: words with friends. The phone rings like three or four 486 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: days there it's Lauren and he literally he literally he 487 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: literally goes, so perhaps we should do something. And I 488 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I can't believe you people 489 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: are insane. This would be the week, this would be 490 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: which would be the week, you know, which like that 491 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: thing where we have to do it now, But you 492 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: can't say no to them. You feel like your family. 493 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: You just forget how immediate it is. You know. Years 494 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: ago I did a sketch with UM, with a little young, 495 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: little sweet faced justin timber Lake when he was in 496 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: in Sync. I used to write a sketch called UM 497 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: six Degrees Celsius and it was like a boy group 498 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: and Will Ferrell was their manager and he had to 499 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: stay three feet away from them because clearly had done 500 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: some inappropriate things. He had tinted glasses. Of course, you know. 501 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: It was Jimmy Fallon and Chris Catan and Horatio and 502 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: they were and they were and Chris Chris Parnell and 503 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: they were a boy group and then we'd have the 504 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: host in it. Well, that week in Sync was there. 505 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: We asked and Sync to be another boy group in 506 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: this competition on the show, playing a fake boy group. 507 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: And so I wrote a song called hold the Pickle, 508 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: and they were like McDonald's employees, and so in Syn 509 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: came out with like McDonald's outfits on and saying hold 510 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: the pit gull and they're so they were so crazy talented, 511 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: Like they got there and looked at it for ten 512 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: minutes and had full harmonies and full choreography. I mean 513 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: they threw that ship together. I was just amazed they 514 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: came on. And then remember what was the MTV thing 515 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: every Sunday, like the Big I can't think of the 516 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: name of it, but the show the like show that 517 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: they show all the videos and everything at that time. 518 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: Do you remember what that? Okay, Well, anyway, it was 519 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: it was a very you know, the big show that 520 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: the kids used to dance to um. But the next morning, 521 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm in my little apartment and you know, I probably 522 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: ordered four entrees from some to go things to eat 523 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: my pain, because you always did. On Sunday and I 524 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: turned on the TV and Justin Timberlake was on TV 525 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: on the show at noon in Times Square, and there 526 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: were just hundreds of girls down there waving to him, 527 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: and they had a banner with the words to the 528 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: song hold the Pickle on the banner that they had painted. 529 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: And I was looking at it, going that cannot be 530 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: because we just did this, like I just woke up 531 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: and we just and then I just remembered like I 532 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: used to get obsessed. You know, I didn't have the Internet, 533 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: I didn't have videos, but back at the day, I mean, 534 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: my god, if I would have grown up in the 535 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: Internet era, I would have been the queen of like, 536 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: you know, just having my own fans site. Yeah, because 537 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: I just loved it and I wanted And we were 538 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: having a funny conversation the other day. In my journals. 539 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: When I was young, I would talk about Rocky because 540 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: I was obsessed with Rocky, Syvester Stallone and the very 541 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: first Rocky movie, and I would talk about like in 542 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: two weeks people magazine is going to have an article 543 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: about him, and I would wait until we got that 544 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: magazine and then I would take it home and I 545 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: cut it out and put it in a script. You know, 546 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: you you had to wait to get information or a 547 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: photo of someone, or if you really loved a singer, 548 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: you had to wait for their album to come out. 549 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: And now you just you just four years older than 550 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: you remember. When I was a kid, there was no cable, 551 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: there was no DVD. The trailers for movies and and 552 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: the build up, the ramp up of a campaign to 553 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: advertise a film was or at least it seemed so 554 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: far reaching back then. I'll never forget. We went to 555 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: The Godfather and I was underage and we we snuck in. 556 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: I forget how now we stood in line and it 557 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: was like three screening, you know, like one o'clock, four o'clock, 558 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: seven o'clock, and you go to the top of the 559 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: line and didn't get in, so you waited another three hours, 560 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, reading Mad magazine or some crap we read 561 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: back then. And I always say, now people wait to 562 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: stream a movie and it's like, you know, four minutes 563 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: to stream it in their tip and their foot and 564 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: going come on exactly. And the other thing is that 565 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: they'll watch twenty minutes of it, then they'll pause and 566 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: they'll go talk on the phone and play they lose 567 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: interest in it. Yeah, now you are you left to 568 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: do a television show? I left. I left about six 569 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: years ago to do I wrote a pilot called Thick 570 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: and Thin that was about too fat sisters that grew 571 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: up fat and one gets really hot and thin and beautiful. Yeah, 572 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: we shot the pilot. It got picked up for like thirteen, 573 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: but it was a bad year for multi camera sitcoms. 574 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: It was kind of when they were getting phased out. 575 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: And it was also about a subject that was a 576 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 1: little weird still back in that era of you know, 577 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: there wasn't a whole bunch of stuff with weight stuff, 578 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: and I really wanted like real people that look fat, 579 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, that look fat because I had struggled with 580 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: my weight all my life and huge amounts of way 581 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: a couple of times in my life. Sharon Glass and 582 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: Martin Maull played the parents, and they played my parents, 583 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: so it was their names. They did all of my 584 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: dead stick. I mean, it was really a special thing. 585 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: My parents came to the pilot, and you know, it 586 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: was it was very emotional and wonderful and fun. But 587 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: the process of developing a network show like that is 588 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: so hard, and I really, in hindsight learned so, you know, 589 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: learned so many things after the fact. You know which 590 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: one thing you learned that you can say, um, well, 591 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: the biggest thing I learned was I'm I'm a people pleaser, 592 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: and I always like to get to know people and 593 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: see the good sides of them, and I wanted to 594 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: have a lot of positive energy with with them because 595 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: I had known so many people that developed stuff that 596 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: we're like welcome to hell. You know, everyone just gets 597 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: so negative about it. I thought, you know what, I'm 598 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: gonna go into this. I'm so lucky to be doing this. 599 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled. But I befriended everyone so intensely, you know, 600 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: especially like network people and everything. I befriended everyone, So 601 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: then there was this sort of discomfort at telling them 602 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: things they didn't want to hear, or me pushing back 603 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: in bigger ways. And because I had already established that 604 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: we're all just friends and we're all having fun and 605 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: we're laughing, then they would suggest things that were just 606 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: show ruining, and I would just be like, okay, well, 607 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, and I just at the time didn't really 608 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: have my voice as a as a creative person to 609 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: lead something like that, you know, So I I regret that, 610 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: and I regret not um pushing more. I mean, casting 611 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: was you know, a little brutal just because of the 612 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: weight thing is they would they would bring people in 613 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: that were I wanted real people that were you know, 614 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: I wanted the other sister to be to be a 615 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: real heavy person. And and when they'd audition heavy people 616 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: sometimes i'd watch their faces when they're auditioning them, and 617 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: they're kind of like looking at their bodies, and I'm going, 618 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: this is not good that they don't get it. That 619 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: like the you know, Roseanne was freaking huge hit show. 620 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: It's like, come on. I don't even remember who said 621 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: this to me, but one of the network people pulled 622 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: me aside during one of the castings and she said, 623 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: did you audition this other girl for that part for 624 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: the heavy sister? And I said, no, I auditioned her 625 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: for the thin sister. And she said you couldn't pad her, 626 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: could you. And I just remember walking away going, this 627 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: is so dead in the water. You know, now movies, 628 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: you're doing a movie, now, yeah, I did. I worked 629 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: a little bit on Bridesmaids. I just came a couple 630 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: of different times and just you know, pitch jokes on 631 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: the set, did that kind of thing. Had never done 632 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: anything movie wise ever, and I really really had fun 633 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: doing it. I really enjoyed it. And then I Judd 634 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: started hiring me to do some rewrites on different movies 635 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: and punch ups and stuff, and I started to see, 636 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, because I had tried to get into it 637 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: before in other eras of my life. Um. But at 638 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: the same time, I had had an idea for a 639 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: while about my journal, my childhood journal, of doing something 640 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: with it. I wanted to do a little play based 641 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: on it. I wanted to do something with it, and 642 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: Tina had, you know, I'd read it to her many 643 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: times in an s and L. I'd read it to 644 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: people before I came up with an idea for a 645 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: movie to do to pitch and I pitched it to 646 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: Universal and they bought it with Tina attached to it 647 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: as a producer and potentially to be in it. And 648 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: so I wrote that that's in the work that we're 649 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: waiting to find out all the finals on you know, 650 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: on that, what's happening with that? It's it's um, it's 651 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: been you know, gone through its three rites and all that. 652 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: So I'm excited about that about two sisters, and then 653 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: jud and I just wrote a movie, and then last 654 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: summer I worked on my first full movie experience with 655 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: This is forty. I was then executive producer on that. 656 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: It sounds horrible, but do you ever wonder what it 657 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: would be like if you and your wife were separated 658 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: by something bigger, deaf like her death? I have given 659 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: it a fair amount of thought, not any painful way, 660 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: but just like a gentle floating off. It's got to 661 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: be peaceful. I mean, this is the mother of your children. 662 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: And then the new wife would be great. God, I 663 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: can't wait to meet my second wife. I hope she 664 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: likes me better than this one. I've finally kind of 665 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: gotten my foothold in the movie thing now and really fun. 666 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: I really love it. I mean it's a lot of 667 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: it's a lot of waiting around for news on things. 668 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: It's a lot of you know, I can't plan anything 669 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: because you don't know what your next year is going 670 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: to be. A find out, but so beautiful to be 671 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: able to work at home with my animals and d 672 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: and just like to be aren't you Well, you always 673 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: come back to the same thing when I've spoken to you. 674 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: I was despondent when you left because you know, you 675 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: were such a great You're such a great writer, one 676 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: of my favorite, so funny, but everything mean that and 677 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: you And then when you left and you said the 678 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: same thing, You're like, I always want to go home 679 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: to d and my animals, animal animals, go live the 680 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: lesbian life. I want to be on a lesbian fire. 681 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: I want to wear my dance got clogs. I want 682 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: to get a mag light and go under a dumpster 683 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: and get some feral cats out of there. I have 684 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: a horse up there, I have, you know, just it's 685 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: so beautiful and inexpensive up there in the Hudson Valley. 686 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: It's like the amazing place. But also, um, just I'm 687 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: realizing to just the finite amount of time, you know, 688 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: I've I've spent more time since I've been doing the 689 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: movie stuff the last two years, I've spent more time 690 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: with my family. I've been down in Florida a lot 691 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: to visit them. It's just feeling so much better for me. 692 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: And also I love like Lauren whenever I'm there, I 693 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: did the Louis c. K Show, and I'm doing this 694 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: next to here and um, and you know, Lauren will 695 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: say to me, it's still fun, right, it's fun. You 696 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: had fun, and I go, oh my god, it's amazing. 697 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: But if I did it all the time now, I 698 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: would be like a you know, a bitter hag because 699 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: I just feel like I wasn't having time or energy 700 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: to do other things. And also everyone is is very young. 701 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: I mean my nieces and nephews I saw delivered out 702 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: of my sisters, uh the gene and they're in their 703 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: mid twenties. And ones of physician's assistant ones. I mean, 704 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: I've named myself at S and L nanny sn L 705 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: because I'll sit at the real rate table, like what 706 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: isn't the name of that hore's that detective on television. 707 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm like Grandpa, Oh my god, gonna Grandpa. They'll kno 708 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 1: going to do and SEP we're ready and like Grandpa 709 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: will be right there. It'll be right there. God damn it. 710 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: But if you have a good night there, you feel 711 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: like you're twenty again. I mean, you know, if you 712 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: have a night where you feel like I mean, last week, 713 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: I had a really fun Scotch I wrote with Kate 714 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: McKinnon for her and Louis c. K and it was 715 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: funny and dirty and where they were at last call 716 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: at a bar and they're just trying to find common 717 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: ground because they know they're the only two people left. 718 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: So they're like, wait, you're from Arizona. Oh my god, 719 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm from northern California. That's crazy, and they were They 720 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: made out in the most disgusting, face eating way you 721 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: could ever imagine. And uh, I just went home on 722 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: that old school SNL high, just a whole high, you know, 723 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: like the whole weekend, just bouncing off the walls. And 724 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: then you start going maybe I could do this all 725 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: the time. I got like, no, I'm gonna do it. 726 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: I would leave there on after a good show, I 727 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: leave there's I'm gonna be a cast. Addition, I'll do 728 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: even even odd shows like the Gas Right. No, Twitter, 729 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: you're on Twitter on Twitter, You're you kill me on Twitter? 730 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. I talked about like I was laying on 731 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: a bed and I was having a great time and 732 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: I was eating sacks and I was really cozy and 733 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: everything was just I felt so great, and then security 734 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: guard came up you ting his clothes. Man, it's like 735 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: the Tony that routine. People always really respond to my 736 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: target tweets. Twitter is just another form for you. Twitter 737 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: is really I got very addicted to it just because 738 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: it's so simple and it's like a video game for 739 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: comedy writers to just do a one liner about something. 740 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: And I started doing these hey young girl tweets and 741 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: I might do a little book of them, maybe um 742 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: an illustrated. You know, my nieces, I just used to 743 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: drive them insane when they were growing up because I 744 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: was you said that girls, Remember, hey young girls, keep 745 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: your boobs in your shirt, you're button your pants, your 746 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: eyes on your dreams, your head in the cloud. You know, 747 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: like I can also say the thing about you know 748 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: if the guy does this. Yeah, but remember the hey 749 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: young girl stuff just came out of my nieces because 750 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: I would bring them tests and l and they were 751 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 1: just these dropped gorgeous girls and they would have people 752 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about people just checking them out, but 753 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,959 Speaker 1: like at the if I brought them backstage or whatever, 754 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: there'd be some some dude that would just end up 755 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: coming up and saying, you know, really aggressive checking them out, 756 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: And so they still imitate me how I would grab 757 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: them with my meaty, polish firm wife arm and she's fourteen. 758 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: You want to talk about it? I mean I would 759 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: just become this raving crazy woman looking at them like 760 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: you know, and so I always i'd always be like, 761 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: are your sexually active? I would always want to know 762 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: all their details and everything, like a character out of 763 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: a Rock Hutson movie. Yeah, the chaperone, Yeah, and the 764 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: chaperone that's that's uh all sturrying my son away from 765 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: the hoochie girl houchie dancers. You know, Um, you're a woman, 766 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 1: and you're a woman in comedy, and comedy has changed 767 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: a lot over the last forty years, but I you know, 768 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: I feel like it's changed a lot over the last 769 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: fifteen years. It's even more. You've got people who are 770 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: much more you know, they're just like the guys I 771 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: mean Sarah Silverman and people who are much more in 772 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: living color. If you will, I want to ask you, 773 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: you know, your assessment of that, how that's changed for 774 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: women over your career, and also do you think that 775 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: there's like certain glass ceilings still, like on late night 776 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: comedy shows, like do you think they'll ever replace Letterman? 777 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: Or like can a woman do that job? Because you 778 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: have women hosting daytime shows, right and no one's on 779 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: during the day, but the big three of the networks 780 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: they don't have a woman doing that show. Do you 781 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: think that will ever change? I don't know. I mean, 782 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: it's you know, I remember that era where a couple 783 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: of them were doing it, Joan Rivers and different people 784 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: were trying it, and they were you know, they were 785 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: all stand ups, but they had been around for a 786 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: long time, but not lately. So I feel like now 787 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: a lot of those young funny girls are either getting 788 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 1: their own show, you know, doing a show, a television show, 789 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: but not a talk show, you know. I mean Jimmy, 790 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: he's such a fan of everyone and so enthusiastic and 791 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: joyful about music and everything that that was like a 792 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: perfect fit for him and hilarious. So he worked out 793 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: so great for that. But I think with women it's 794 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: also sometimes hard at s and l like with auditions 795 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: now where you go, well you see people and you 796 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: go where where are a lot of the super funny 797 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, super funny women and you know they're around, 798 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, they exist, but a lot of them do. 799 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: They they are young, and they they're aggressively getting their 800 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: own shows and stuff like that. The second year I 801 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: was at SNL, second or third, I remember having an 802 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: agent say to me, Um, yeah, we gotta get you, 803 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: uh you know, we gotta get a game plan for 804 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: you and get you know, so you can get get 805 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: out of here and and get a get a show 806 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: going and all that. And I remember thinking, what are 807 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: they talking about? Like, what are you talking about? You know, 808 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: this is like the dream job. So but I think 809 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: I think for women it's just like I've always said 810 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: about U, S and L. It's like the funny rises 811 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: to the top with it. And if somebody's super funny 812 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: and has abandoned and joy and they're not trying, you know, 813 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: I don't like ever with a comedy person them acting 814 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 1: like someone else or acting dirty just to be funny. 815 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm the filthiest person on earth. But if it's not 816 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: funny dirty, if I'm not being funny, you know, then 817 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: forget it, because there's got to be some class to 818 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: my to my vul A joke does not have a 819 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: class to it to then forget it. But you know, 820 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: for a while, there are some auditions I would watch 821 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: where girls would come out and just try to just 822 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: sex it up and be funny and dirty, you know, 823 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 1: and it's like that's you feel like, not all of them, certainly, 824 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: but enough of them. They go out in front of 825 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 1: a camera, a lot of them in the comedy world, 826 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: and they think feel like, well, I don't want to 827 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: go too far over this song because I don't want 828 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: to lose this oven thing. I really would like to 829 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: kiss Leo in a movie, right, I want to be something. 830 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: You don't want to see anyone thinking too hard while 831 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: they're you know, the the greatest auditions at S and 832 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: L were people that came in purely as themselves, came in, 833 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: did a bunch of craziest characters, and you just went, 834 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: this is a force of nature. What is this? What 835 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: is this human? Like? They were making me laugh so 836 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: hard and I don't even know what where they're getting 837 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: it from. When when women have that the condition that 838 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: where it's it's like they sit there and they you know, 839 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen women who they would make fun 840 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: of actresses. I mean, I'm took a comedy. They would 841 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: just tear apart. They would laceerate actresses who they thought 842 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: were leaning too much on the sex button. And then 843 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,399 Speaker 1: those comedy actresses became stars and they popped another button 844 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: and they put the makeup on their cleavage and they 845 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: were like and they were just like they were camera ready. 846 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,919 Speaker 1: I mean, they became the thing they made fun of. Yeah, 847 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,240 Speaker 1: and you and you realize for women, that's a tough angle. 848 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: Comedy and comedy girls tended to grow up being the 849 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,959 Speaker 1: goofy looking, you know, the goofy looking ones that weren't 850 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 1: getting the attention that way. So when they become famous 851 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: and have a lot of money and people putting beautiful 852 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: dresses on them, I think they do go They do 853 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: go that way, you know. I mean, I've got a 854 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: lot of pretty sparkly pants suits I wear to the 855 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: Emmy's now, and I really get up my own ass 856 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: on it. Because Paula Pell will soon be stepping out 857 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: in those pants for the release of This Is forty, 858 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: a film she helped produce set to open December one. 859 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: This is alec Old when Here's the Thing comes from 860 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: w NYC Radio O