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Speaker 1: This is a meat eater podcast coming at you. Shirtless,

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Speaker 1: severely bug bitten in my case underwear listening to podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything. Okay, I'll tell these guys about

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Speaker 1: our little meat shop, our meat shop we had going

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Speaker 1: last night. UM, pretty excited about this is? Um? Actually,

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Speaker 1: are you journaling right now? Yes? I am tell them

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Speaker 1: about our meat shop. It's new year, Steve, I've got

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Speaker 1: some new resolutions I'm tackling. Um. So uh, very fortuitous

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Speaker 1: that John Edwards is here because we went down and

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Speaker 1: shot a pila honkers and some ducks, and uh, Steve

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Speaker 1: and I were cleaning our pile of birds and decided

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Speaker 1: since he took us hunting. I was. I was waiting

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Speaker 1: for the invite last night. We would invite him over

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Speaker 1: for our meat project. Yeah, but we're didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: Now here he is, and it's embarrassing you guys. SI

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Speaker 1: almost did too. What makes a good hunting partner? I made?

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Speaker 1: We made duck stock last or. I finally canned my

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Speaker 1: almost I thought about doing it, and I haven't written

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Speaker 1: it off yet. I just thought, you actually bring one

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Speaker 1: of those to John. I was sitting there by myself

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Speaker 1: by the fire, plucking birds. It had been nice to

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Speaker 1: see you. The reality. We didn't come to the conclusion

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Speaker 1: until well into the cleaning process. It was still like,

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Speaker 1: at one point we had three kids crawling on the

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Speaker 1: counter plucking individual feathers out of birds, help wanting to

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Speaker 1: be the one that gets to cut something. Yes, give

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Speaker 1: me the knife and uh but yeah, So we decided

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna do a group kind of pickling of

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Speaker 1: giblets uh cone fee uh of the thighs and legs,

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Speaker 1: which I'm super excited about because I've never actually done

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Speaker 1: the best thing on the planet. Go on and I'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that for um. Yeah, we needed to find

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Speaker 1: still wasn't until you walked me through it and then, um,

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Speaker 1: we are making pastrami out of the brass, curing the brass.

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Speaker 1: So it is a charcuterie. It wasn't a meat shop.

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Speaker 1: It was a charcouter shop because the calling fee falls

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Speaker 1: under charcouter charcouter. It does. It has to because it's

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Speaker 1: a pressuation. Let me. I don't know if this is true,

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Speaker 1: but I've heard this as being true, that are you

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Speaker 1: free with fare graw. It's a food that I'm kind

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Speaker 1: but because of how the process of ros produced. Fare

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Speaker 1: Ra is. Basically it really tasty diseased liver out of

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Speaker 1: a duck. And what they do is they to produce it. Um,

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Speaker 1: they will put a funnel into a duck's mouth and

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Speaker 1: force feed it. Well, here's where it gets tricky. One

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Speaker 1: might look and say, um, that their force feed the

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Speaker 1: and upon force feeding it causes it develop to develop

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Speaker 1: a very large, fatty liver, and that is fi raw.

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Speaker 1: This practice is illegal in some places. Pro pro fui

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Speaker 1: raw people will say, you know what bro those ducks

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Speaker 1: line up for, Like when you pull that funnel out,

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Speaker 1: it's like getting the dog, It's like filling the dog's bowl.

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. Someone like, so if you get

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Speaker 1: don't know that this is true, but I like I

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Speaker 1: like this because there's a tidiness to this that if

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Speaker 1: you when you butcher fig raw duck, that duck has

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Speaker 1: so much body fat that you can harvest the liver,

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Speaker 1: and that one particular duck would have produced enough fat

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Speaker 1: two confee its own thighs and legs. You've done, You've tortured. No,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't even force feed him. We fed him

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Speaker 1: people said farm raised ducks. Man, you gotta be careful.

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Speaker 1: There's so much fat. You'll literally end up like you

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Speaker 1: So then I took all that and rendered it and

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Speaker 1: three three cops of fat I think would be. And

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Speaker 1: minute they start feeding something and involves a funnel, it's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Any time you're jam in a funnel anything or anyone's orifice,

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Speaker 1: this is you're the ice funnel to change your oil. Maybe, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: lot of beer in your system very quickly. That's also

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Speaker 1: that you again, that's that's the opposite of your livery

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Speaker 1: sim larities between a a nipple. Can you hold that thought?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead? Okay, you're feeding calves, your bottle

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Speaker 1: feeding calves, your bottle feeding lambs. They line up for

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get in over your waiters. This is a

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Speaker 1: complicated world, like they there's a thing like Hudson Valley.

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Speaker 1: There's a place you know what. This is such a

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Speaker 1: This is not a well managed conversation. I need to

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Speaker 1: back it up. First off, Ben O'Brien Hunting Collective is here,

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Speaker 1: Edwards and of course the lab being Eagle. Now, okay,

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Speaker 1: can this is not a well managed conversation. And there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of parts floating around right now, So give

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Speaker 1: me a second. Confy is basically it's like you're you're

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Speaker 1: you're simmering meat in fat. It's an old timey thing

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Speaker 1: You render it in it and then when you store it,

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Speaker 1: It's cured cooked meat, encased and fat. And the old

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Speaker 1: It was a non refrigeration storage technique. And like many

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Speaker 1: The smoke keeps insects away while it's volatile. Right, Salting

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Speaker 1: freezers and ship like that. But we do it. Affected

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Speaker 1: still tastes great. U to make duct confeete. What you

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Speaker 1: the legs for a couple of days in just putting

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Speaker 1: You can do it with citrus peels, garlic, uh um

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Speaker 1: You cure the meat for a couple of days, and

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Speaker 1: then you simmer it. You're supposed to simmer it in

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Speaker 1: wild game man, duck fat is a pain in the ass. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you that you have a big, fatty domestic duck will

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Speaker 1: make enough fat too do his legs. When we've collected

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Speaker 1: I would collect my own ductor goose fat and rent

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Speaker 1: We caught up? Is that kind of pulling it together? Yes? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But why not just farm raised some ducks and make

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Speaker 1: your own duck fat. I'm not a farmer, come hunter. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well that's a that's a valid response. You read the

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Speaker 1: old testament Jacob and Esau. I'm say I know that

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Speaker 1: raising the ducks. Who gets to be Jesus? I'm not

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Speaker 1: that easy there, so making the calling feet And what

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Speaker 1: we'll do is I will absolutely share that with you.

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Speaker 1: You store it in the fat, and then what you

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Speaker 1: a little bit of that goodness. It's all in case

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Speaker 1: and fat, and you can put it under a broiler

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Speaker 1: and crisp it up. Or you can pick the meat

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Speaker 1: because you cook it for so long in the fat,

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Speaker 1: like a eighty degrees. You put a candy thermometer there

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Speaker 1: and cook it for five or six hours degrees and

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Speaker 1: it's but it's nothing like if you were boiling it

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Speaker 1: can pick it and it shreds, and you put it

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Speaker 1: under a broiler and it turns beautifully crispy, and then

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Speaker 1: of the salad. Telling you what's on. People that don't

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Speaker 1: like geese, I think geese don't taste good. They haven't

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Speaker 1: had this. So did you, guys? Uh, pluck all your geese?

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Speaker 1: Plug some of them, plug some of them. Um, you ate.

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Speaker 1: It's hard. Got a rosecose for Christmas? Right, Yeah? But

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Speaker 1: that was my brother's shot that he brought that out.

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Speaker 1: He gave me that goose for Christmas, which is like

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Speaker 1: where it's like giving a guy it a coal mine

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Speaker 1: a bunch of those that I was just messing with

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Speaker 1: my freezing. You hit this on the highway and drive

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Speaker 1: just found a fresh dead bull. And he did, Yeah,

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00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: he had just been shot. He did his damnedest to

425
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: find the hunter. First, he sat there and waited and

426
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: waited and waited, expecting some guy to come down along

427
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: the blood trail. No one shows up. He went going

428
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: and asking all around the people camped skinned it, butchered it.

429
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: Still kept looking for the owner. Yeah, he wanted with

430
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: the bull which you would hope most everybody would do.

431
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: But how many guys would really do that, donal you know?

432
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: You know, it it would definitely depend, unfortunately on the size

433
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: of the aislers. Well, that's what's so interesting about the story.

434
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: I told Steve is this was a turned out to

435
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: be a you know, three ninety bull on public land

436
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: and yeah for you, for you gentle listeners out there,

437
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: that's a giant elk Yeah, bull of a lifetime. And

438
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: so so it was very cool. What the guy did.

439
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: He uh, he went online and made a post that

440
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: didn't reveal where it was, just sort of in Montana. Hey,

441
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: if you've shot a bull failed to recover it in Montana,

442
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, if you contact me and let me know

443
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: where it was and what the fletching on your arrow was,

444
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: I might have found your bull. Might have if I

445
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: like you enough, if you seem like a nice enough

446
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: feller on Like, there's a version of events in which

447
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: I found that there's a possibility. So sure sure enough

448
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: that the that the archer contacted him and and he

449
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: gave him a pin and he recovered his head and horns.

450
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: Comic cool story. That's amazing that it's amazing that's the

451
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: right thing to do. But he did not pack the

452
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: head and horns out. Correct, he didn't. He didn't touch it.

453
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: He just pinned it and where it was. And the

454
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: guy came back from out of state long way and uh,

455
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: it had snowed two feet in the intervening weeks and

456
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: hiked in their long wise and recovered it. Here's what

457
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: I feel like I would have done. I feel like

458
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: I would have found that and and probably would not

459
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: have done all that, and the perfect me would have

460
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: but I don't even know that it would have really

461
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: occurred to me like that. I would have been huh

462
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: and cool find yeah, And I would have taken the

463
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: head and hung it up in a tree somewhere. So

464
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: something didn't, you know, drag it off and busted skull

465
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: all up trying to get the brain out of it.

466
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: Um hung it up in a tree somewhere with a

467
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: with a thinking that at some point in time I'd

468
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: go back in there, once they had a little time

469
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: to clean up from birds and whatnot. I'd go up

470
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: there and bring it home and throw it out in

471
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: the yard. Because what are the chances that you post

472
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: online wherever you post, and the person that actually shot

473
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: this thing's gonna see it. It was actually a buddy

474
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: of his untilso his serendipity that way. But yeah, it's

475
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: like you got the angel and the devil, you know,

476
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, what do you do? And is it?

477
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: Don't even then it would have been like an in there.

478
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been an angel devil. It would have

479
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: been like it was just like I'm just talking about

480
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: what what would have gone in my head? It wouldn't

481
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: have been the push and pull it's been like I

482
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: would have just I would have never even it would

483
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: never even occur to me to try to find the person,

484
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it's obvious from the

485
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: find that was a fairly recent It was that season.

486
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: You know, there's a carcass and you know the meat

487
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: was but it was it was obviously it wasn't last year's. No.

488
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: I like it noble of him to do it. And

489
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 1: here's another one for you. Is it or is it

490
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: not significant that the guy who did it was a

491
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: traditional archer versus a non traditional arch Come you know

492
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: what give you that? I'll give you that. Okay, I'm

493
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: gonna give me that one. That's a bold statement, and

494
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: the question is it struck me as a real arrogant?

495
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: Are you traditional larger? I'm just learning, actually, you know. Initially, yes, okay, yes, okay,

496
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: can yes. I think that this is a bold ass

497
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: statement and I'm not a traditional larger by any stretch.

498
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I did win a long bowl contest when I was

499
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: a kid, but it was only one of the kids

500
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: in it. I'm into it now, Like Buddy Franklin, he was, yeah,

501
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: it's it's cool. I picked one up at the at

502
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: an archery challenge up in Big Sky last year. It

503
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: felt great. Talked to guys about it, and Buddy frank

504
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: Brokowski who introduced me a guy named Dan Tolki who's

505
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: a fantastic bowyer. I guess is what you would say

506
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: about of the flathead. Anybody know this guy, Dan Tolki,

507
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: fantastic guy. And so yeah, I just I just got

508
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: along goo on it. It's it's fun. Do you feel

509
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: more responsible with a long I'm morally sound now. If

510
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: I pick up a quarter on the street, I'll stand

511
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: there and he's like, normally I wouldn't even call my wife.

512
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: I just go out drinking all night. But you know

513
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: now that I got that long bow her some flowers. Um, no,

514
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: it's a bold statement, but yes, do like if you

515
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: took a hundred if you took a hundred traditional archers

516
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: and a hundred compound archers and then did a sort

517
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: of ethics and moral survey, I do feel I just

518
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that they would score higher.

519
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: You know. I sticking there, Dave. I was thinking about

520
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: what it is. Why why do I like and hang

521
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: out with hunters? Okay, I'll say about stair day, Like

522
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: like if I go to a wedding reception and you're like,

523
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't want to go to this thing.

524
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: I'll typically by the end of the night I'm talking

525
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: to some dude likes the hunting fish. I just sniff

526
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: them out, you know. And I was like, if you

527
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: were in some situation where your house is on fire, okay,

528
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: and you're somehow incapacitated and your children need to be rescued,

529
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: and the fireman says, listen, because of the circumstances, I

530
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: can't explain right now, only one person can go in

531
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: and do the rescue. We have a guy that hunts

532
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: all the time and a vegan. Who do you want

533
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: to attempt the rescue. I mean, come on, come on.

534
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: So it's like there's a ship of blasphemy and anyone,

535
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: anyone's gonna be like, well, clearly, dude, in there to go.

536
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: You've never seen like the weightlifting vegans, you know. I

537
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: just think that that's gonna be the guy that's gonna

538
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: go in there. He's gonna go in there with a

539
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: lot of girl and just get the kids and come

540
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: out quick. Let me get my long bow. And other side,

541
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: whether I want to go in so and that, I

542
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: just want the record to be clear that it was

543
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: a question and I'm not siding with the traditional archers

544
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: over the compound archers or anything like that. One could

545
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: also point out that a traditional archer might like to

546
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: do what's that word moral signaling. He might like to

547
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: he might be a virtue signaler. And what greater way

548
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: to virtue signal than to go on to a forum

549
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: and be like, boy, did I find the bowl of

550
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: a lifetime laying out in the woods but not gonna

551
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: touch it? Exactly? Signed Pope and young lifetime member, And

552
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: he like, dude, I just saw a post of a

553
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: traditional archer with a grip and grand photo he shot

554
00:32:53,800 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: a vole like like a mouse with traditional archery gere,

555
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: so he would score low and he would lower the mean,

556
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: he would lower the mean ethics score of his compatriots.

557
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: It was a trophy vole for a traditional archer. He

558
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: didn't he might have been fixing to do a point.

559
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: He might be so hardcore he's gonna do his shelf

560
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: liner instead of doing it and vull hair because he's

561
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: so good at stalking that when he gets up close

562
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: he finds that the noise of his wooden shaft on

563
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: felt is too loud. I'm a little uncomfortable because I

564
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: feel like we're starting to rip the traditional because cows

565
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: of traditional archer. Yi's a traditional archer. Is a traditional archer,

566
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: Not really, He's not a traditional both. He's not a

567
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: traditional hunter. He's a traditional archer. My brother Danny is

568
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: a traditional hunter. Cal is a traditional So when Danny

569
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: goes out the only bow he hunts with, how often

570
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: does he hunt archery? With archery? He does what he

571
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: likes to bring his long bow because he lives in

572
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: the land of the Long Winter, Yeah, in Alaska, so

573
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: he likes to sit around, drink a beer, shooting recurves,

574
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: staying stand around drink a beer shooting recurves in the winter,

575
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: so at times he has taken said recurve out and

576
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: shot it at things. Yeah, that is one uh note

577
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: for you there, John Um. If you're just getting into

578
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: the traditional side of things, recurve is night and day

579
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: of difference, easier than long bow. So I screwed up already.

580
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Easier the long bow is what you're saying. It just

581
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: is man like the consistency out of my re curve.

582
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: I need another year of like real shooting that in act.

583
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: When I moved up here to Bozeman with only things

584
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: that I could put in my track, I brought my

585
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: long ball so I could can figure out how to

586
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: start shooting as fast as possible. Yeah, but the long

587
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: but just feels like more traditional. Yeah, well that's a lattle, dudes.

588
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: The kind of dude that hunts of the add a

589
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: laddle is a different kind of dude than hunts of

590
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: the recurve. Yeah, for sure, I hope. So. But there

591
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: was a guy, I meant a guy, and he was

592
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: like trying to convince me to pick up a recurve,

593
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: and I said, I've tried before and it just never

594
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: stuck with me. And so I said, where'd you learn?

595
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: He said, I learned it on YouTube. I said, don't

596
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: you think that's a little bit oxymoronic? How don't you

597
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: feel like that's a little bit ironic that you learn

598
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: your traditional archer from fucking the internet. That's that's pretty funny.

599
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: I like that. Um, where do you go? You know,

600
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: where do you go traditional archer hunting? Well, let me

601
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: check my GPS. I'll tell you. Yeah. Well, here's the

602
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: thing about my brother, like the ethics of my brother.

603
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: You want to talk about having high ethical standards as

604
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: a traditional archer, check this out. Every traditional archer gets

605
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: arrows that are painted to be Yeah, well, I know

606
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: because my brother is an exception. He was unethically uncomfortable

607
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: having the carbon arrows that everyone gets that have a

608
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: wood wrap. Yeah, that's what I got. It's kind of weird.

609
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: He went out. He's like, I can't do that. I

610
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: can't delive a why. And so he went out and

611
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: had to struggle to find uh arrows for his recurve.

612
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: No that we're carbon and looked carbon where they weren't

613
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: masquerading as would What is with that with you? Guys? Well,

614
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that you people is one night you

615
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: really want to go down. But it's just a fact.

616
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: It's just it's a it's better you know you're you're

617
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: not breaking as many arrows. You don't have to deal

618
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: with why to look like a problem is not shooting carbon.

619
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: My problem is why do you guys make it look

620
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: why who are you trying to trick? Oh nobody. I'm like,

621
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: there is an inexpensive arrow. No you're not listening. No, No,

622
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: I am for me personally part of like, oh, here's

623
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: this selection of arrows. I have to have the one

624
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: that looks like would because now I'm shooting a traditional bill.

625
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: It just so happens that arrow manufacturers such as like

626
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: Eastern and Beamon, they have pre fletched with real turkey veins.

627
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: Only the arrows with this fake wood sheath over the

628
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: top of it is the exact same arrow as I

629
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: think in access arrow, which is a very common arrow,

630
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: but it's one grain per inch heavier because it has

631
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: this additional faux wood uh lamin it on on top

632
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: of it lambin. It's probably not even right detail all tho.

633
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's the archers themselves that this

634
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: problem spawns from it's some marketing dudes and they started it,

635
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: and so it's just like been they like produced the

636
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: first ten thousand arrows because they thought that, well, of

637
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: course these guys that are shooting these old timey wooden balls,

638
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna want these old timy wooden looking arrows. And

639
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: it was never like a group of traditional archers being like, hey,

640
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: Eastern God, we love shooting your aluminum or your your

641
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: carbon arrows. But you know, if you guys could paint

642
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: them up to them make it look like would, we'd

643
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: be so much happier. And what is really funny is

644
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: I have gone, you know, some spots around catch them

645
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: where I have like good north facing slopes that have

646
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: like good loamy soil, soft soil because it's real rocky country. Um,

647
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: go out and dip out of town, go stump shoot right,

648
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: shooting old rotten stumps with them. I'm following with three

649
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: curve and I have found other arrows out there where

650
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's my arrow that I lost the

651
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: last time. And it's not my arrow, but it is

652
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: like the wooden shaft arrow heard the fake would get

653
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: many things I want to bring up right now. I

654
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: need to write them down. I can't get what I

655
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: can't get, like the marketing of traditional archery equipment, like

656
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: did they bring it in your house and a horse

657
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and buggy? What the hell does it matter? What? According

658
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: to the folks in the in the archery equipment industry,

659
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: it is such a ridiculously small group of people out

660
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: there that um there whoever made the marketing decision? And

661
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: be honest, I think you are spot on. That was

662
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: a long time ago and nobody's thought about it. Since

663
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't buy it, I don't buy it for a second.

664
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: Would you wear Let me what kind of rat you

665
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: smell on there? And you wear? Okay, let's say first

666
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: Light makes some bitch and synthetic clothes. But like, you

667
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna, uh, instead of having to be camel,

668
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna look like it's buckskins and we're gonna put

669
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna paint fringe on it, and so that way,

670
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: when you're on the woods, it looks at a passing glimpse,

671
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, I have fellas wearing buckskins. But

672
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: he's not. It's synthetic, of course not. No, is that

673
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: a real coon skin hat? Nope, No, it's not it's

674
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: polly pro I just painted it to look like I'm

675
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: out in the woods. Was it's not important. It doesn't

676
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: it's not important enough to converse about. No, I mean,

677
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: it's the thing I haven't noticed. I grew up hunting

678
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: with guys that would go out in buckskins with passion,

679
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: round ball, fifty Calholigan and hunt that they had no optics,

680
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: no nothing. I was interested in the buckskin in the

681
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: world as a young d exacted you guys that were

682
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: buck skinners and that that you know. I said, I

683
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: had some things I wanted to bring up that I

684
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: had to write them down, write them down. Here's one

685
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: of the things I just wrote. When I was a

686
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: little kid. You know, what are you talking about? Going

687
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: stump shooting and find other arrows? When I was a

688
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: little kid, I remember vividly, and I could tell you

689
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: where I was standing when I heard it. In the

690
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: parking lot of the Moskegan Bowman's Bowl Club, A guy

691
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: telling me, if you really want to find Indian arrowheads,

692
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: here's how you do it. He was saying that he

693
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: goes out in the woods and we'll sort of imagine

694
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: shooting lanes of yr Okay, so like a opening through

695
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: the trees where he could picture someone have him taken

696
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: a shot thousand years ago, and he would then go

697
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: over there and look around to see if he could

698
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: find the lost Indian arrowhead. Boy, time on our heads.

699
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: This is the dumbest person. But viewing it in my

700
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: mind like you were put an old growth for ut

701
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: the entire time we have taken a pause to review this.

702
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: In my mind, I wonder if he wasn't just yanking

703
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: the kids chain. Well now out here in the Great Plains, right,

704
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: that does stand up as far as like okay, Pishkin

705
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: buffalo jump site, um, old water holes are places that

706
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, cave sites, things like that, and that does

707
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: take that theory right at that imagination of days of

708
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: yore being like, Okay, this is a natural pass. I've

709
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: been here for thousands of years through this pass. There's

710
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: a high point, there's a water, there's an old dried

711
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: up uh pond area underneath it. Boy, I bet that

712
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: would have been a good place to camp and wait

713
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: for animals to come into that pond and work on

714
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: my heads, work on my heads. And then at that

715
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: pond you could probably spend some time and find bird

716
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: points or small game points. I agree with that because

717
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: I've successfully found um arrowheads old stuff with anthropologists whose

718
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: approach was to go to likely observation points and likely

719
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: campsites on the Arctic slope where there hasn't been anyone

720
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: wanting around picking it all up, and you'd be like, man,

721
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: I could picture hanging out up there waiting for waiting

722
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: for wild horses to roll through and during the pleisto

723
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: scene peninsula with like giant old growth timber, and that

724
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: would be pretty dawning. Tax real quick question before we

725
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: move on. You good, Ben? Well, yeah, I'm good. Okay. Uh.

726
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: If you remember the house on fire scenario, yes, okay,

727
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: picture that you're in that situation and knowing that you

728
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: have no children. Imagine that's your your mother and grandmother say,

729
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: and imagine you're a vegan. No, and it's that you're

730
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: there incapacitated, and they can let the one person to

731
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: run in, and they have a compound shooter and a

732
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: trad guy. That's all you know about the potential rescuers.

733
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: What way are you leaning? I got my answer. I'll

734
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: wait for calm, but I'm going trade guy. I'm going

735
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: to compound guy. There's a lot of passive compound guy

736
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: is a lot of passive. If they's a hardcore compound guy,

737
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: the trade guy is old, he can't get up the ladder.

738
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: There's methodical he's gonna be thinking about listen, all right,

739
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: what the compound guys just gonna run stupid lead forward.

740
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: But then he's gonna stop a hundred yards away. So

741
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: what's your answer your mother and grandmother had for some reason,

742
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: my first instinct was to say, compound guy. So I'm

743
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: just gonna go go with compound guy. Yeah, that's the

744
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: obvious answer. I feel like you were patronizing Cow a

745
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: little bit with your answer, Steve, is that true or no? No,

746
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: that wasn't standing to I know. I just I think

747
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: of guys that I know, uh in uh, A couple

748
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: of firehouses, a couple of fire city fire guys. I

749
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: know they're all compound guys. Oh so you're thinking you

750
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: might actually wind up with a fireman by making that selection, Okay,

751
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 1: I bet you. An we hear from a fireman who's

752
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: a trad archer will be watching moving on a real

753
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: quick This is interesting. They found there's a species of

754
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: snake a before Okay, cheapas Mexico forty two years ago.

755
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: They don't explain how this happened. Forty two years ago,

756
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: some cane, some palm harvesters working in the Mexican state

757
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: of Cheopae. Am I saying that, right, Yeah, I'll go

758
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: with that. They find a snake. They find a coral snake,

759
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: and in its gut um so whatever, they decided to

760
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: cut it open. And if yeah, if you're a palm

761
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: caughter and you run into a coral snake, imagine you're

762
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: killing that coral snake because you'll get your snap. So

763
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: they killed a coral snake and they disembowel it for

764
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: whatever reason, and find a snake in it that they

765
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: did not recognize. I hadn't seen it before. Someone preserves

766
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: the specimen forty two years goes by. It's a ten

767
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: inch long male snake with two peckers, a double peckered snake. Uh.

768
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: Forty two years later, they do the genetics work on it,

769
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: and not only is it a new species, it's its

770
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: own genus, completely undescribed. Watch this segue. Oh, go ahead.

771
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: The defining UH attribute, I guess would be the two

772
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: pecker versus one pecker. No, I guess it's not that.

773
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: I just like that part of the story. But um,

774
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: who wouldn't they have like snakes will have like thorns,

775
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: like little birds on the on there, like ducks, tally whacker,

776
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: if you will, Um, this one is a double double,

777
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: it'd be it'd be fun to just know, like how

778
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: they got that. Yeah, it's not a new species, right,

779
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: kingdom filing class order, genus species, Right, you have to

780
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: dig deeper into it. So yeah, I'm sorry that I'm

781
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: not able to answer that. But yeah, it's like they

782
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: think that perhaps it's a ground dwelling insect eating snake,

783
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: and you might be like, well, maybe it's now extinct

784
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: because they have no one had ever found one, and

785
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: then forty two years ago a snake eight one and

786
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: no one's found one since then. But it's probably just

787
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: it kind of opens up, like there's just a lot

788
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: of mystery out there. People are describing new species all

789
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: the time, but oftentimes it winds up being that you're

790
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: taking something you kind of already know. Like there's some

791
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: stone fly, right, and the stone fly has six bands

792
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: on its abdomen or whatever, and you realize the next

793
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: drainage over there's a stone fly has got seven bands, Like, oh,

794
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: I got some new species, but you look and it's

795
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: he's like very closely related to a known one. It's

796
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: interesting that we could still be out there discovering something

797
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: as significant as a ten inch snake that isn't like

798
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: super close to it's not just like a little slightly

799
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: different than the one found in Guatemala, but it's like

800
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: an entirely new genus of snake that we didn't know about. Yeah,

801
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: you would think there'd be plenty of them, given the

802
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: two packer situation, twice as many, twice as many they'd propagate. Well,

803
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: but maybe it doesn't work. Maybe every man's actually is

804
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: actually a detriment. Uh and and and I'll pivot off

805
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: that point to talk about that. Perhaps I think that

806
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: this would enlighten and embolden all of those people who

807
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: wrote in about our Bigfoot show, because the Bigfoot responses

808
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: were one half the people that wrote in about the

809
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: big Foot show we did with with a person who

810
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: had had explored the world of bigfoot people. Um, half

811
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: the people that wrote in were like, I can't believe

812
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: you would even honor that subject with a conversation. The

813
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: other half for like bro, I didn't believe either. And

814
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: then I met one, or ran into one, or had

815
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: one throw a rock at me. And the thing that

816
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: really surprised you out of this was the people we

817
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: had joked at length of out people who who bigfoot,

818
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: people who say that, like you have an obligation to

819
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: shoot one if you see it, because that's a step

820
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: towards that's a step towards saving them. That if you

821
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: kill a bigfoot, then it'd be that you we'd have

822
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: to recognize it as a species. We almost certainly have

823
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: to recognize it as an endangered species, and it can't

824
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: get a line in name. It will always be a

825
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: mythical creature until someone kills one. But that conversation brought

826
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: the fact that there are people out there shooting, like

827
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: really in real life, shooting at stuff that they think

828
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: is bigfoots, which is a dangerous practice. I had a

829
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: guy right happened here in Montana, just happened. That story

830
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: is a little fishy Yanni, go ahead. Yanni is a

831
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: subject matter expert on this story. Well, I try to be.

832
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: I try to research it, but it seems that the

833
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: story has fallen dead and I didn't have time to

834
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: call the police department of Helena or Missoula, that it

835
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: happened nearby. I'm gonna talk about one from Texas, but

836
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: you go ahead and talk about this one. Helena. Helena, Yeah, Helena. Yeah.

837
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: A fellow was shot at and then the dude that

838
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: was doing the shooting claimed that he was shooting at

839
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: him because he thought he was big Foot, and last

840
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: we knew, they had not apprehended the shooter. Nobody was hit.

841
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: That's what the story seems weird. John. What's the bar

842
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: on the west side of Rogers Pass? Um? The little

843
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: town there, it's starting to get kind of repopulated now

844
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: because folks are spreading out from Helena. Yeah, because you know,

845
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: if if you're gonna do that, go ahead, has big

846
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: like a big remember the Great drink. Why would you

847
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: assume I would know that a cocktail? They're called the

848
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: Bigfoot because you've been in Montana long time. I mean,

849
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: it's not tricksies nothing, no, no, no, this is this

850
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: is right on the west side of Rogers Pass and

851
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: there's a bar right there. Um and they have I

852
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: think it's a weekend long like big foot hunt party

853
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: that goes on on private property off off side of

854
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: the bar. And then they come back to the bar

855
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: and it's and there's busses and all sorts and they're hunting.

856
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: So that could stand the reason why maybe this guy

857
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: didn't pick up on the fact that it's a good

858
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: excuse for a party. Maybe he was like, Okay, this

859
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: is an epicenter of big foot activity, right, we should

860
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: have done a good job of finding the would be

861
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: victim and talking to him. But but my interesting in

862
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: the story, he was sighting, he was sighting in he

863
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't be victim, was sighting his rifle, and all of

864
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: a sudden, bow bow and there's bullets hitting all around him,

865
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: and he winds up having a conversation. According to his story,

866
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: he has a conversation with the shooter shooters like, bro,

867
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: you should wear hunter's orange. I thought you was a

868
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: big foot and opened up on you. And he drives

869
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: off in a black Ford. And then the guy that

870
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: would be victim isn't interested in pursuing this or pressing

871
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: charges and doesn't even notify the police to a day later.

872
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: Apparently he's got no beef with the guy took him.

873
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: Think he's got no truck. He's got no truck with

874
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: the man who almost killed him. That's crazy. So I

875
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know. A lot of times, you know,

876
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: when someone tells you a story and at the end

877
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: of the story, you're like, man, there's got to be

878
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: more to that story. Mitch Hedberg used to talk about

879
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: taking drugs for attention deficit disorder even though he doesn't

880
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: have attention deficit disorder, and anytime someone told him something,

881
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: at the end of it, he'd be like, man, there's

882
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: gonna be more to that story. I hate to say,

883
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: but I think I sighed with the half of the

884
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: people who rode in, like, why are you talking about bigfoot?

885
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry because it doesn't surprise me that a guy

886
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: gets shot at sighting in his rifle. That doesn't surprise me,

887
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: I'm sad to say, accidentally, But when that when, when

888
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: the defense to the crime is I thought I thought

889
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: he was bigfoot. That that's what Here's where it becomes,

890
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: Here's where the rubber meets the road. John is a

891
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: guy rode in, And this is a guy I had

892
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: talked with before, email with before, and he he belongs

893
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: to this North American would ape conservancy and they feel

894
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: as though they have wait a minute, he feels as

895
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: though they have identified a valley in Texas near the

896
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: town I think it's near the Texas Oklahoma border. They

897
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: have identified a valley that is inhabited by a small

898
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: population of big feet that they feel is endangered by

899
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: habitat loss. And they've had add I think like forty

900
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: His group of guys that are researching this this imperiled population,

901
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: they feel like they've had forty two run ins, and

902
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: they have a document they put out and in this document,

903
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 1: it details members of his group shooting at bipedal organisms

904
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: with buckshot and winging them and blood trailing them and

905
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: sending the blood off to the lab and seeing stuff

906
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: off in the dark and trying to get shots at

907
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: it and saying that we need to move away from

908
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: buckshot and switch to slugs. And they're out in the

909
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: dark with flashlars. Here Again, Man Peter's shooting at bipedal

910
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: organisms does not surprise me. It's troubling. This troubling to me.

911
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 1: It is troubling to me as well, and it makes

912
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: me not want to hunt that not necessarily out hunting

913
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: there and you're out late and you're you're like, oh

914
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: my god, I forgot my ashlight and you're cutting off

915
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: through the bushes at night. And furthermore, it doesn't there's

916
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: a national bipedal would ape conservation group out there that

917
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me either. This goes back to our model

918
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: of conservation. I don't have any problem. I don't have

919
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: any problem with going out in the woods looking for stuff.

920
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: It's like, great, go out in the woods, look for something.

921
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: I have a real problem with going out firing away,

922
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: firing away at things, walking through the woods. Isn't there

923
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: something we learned in Hunter's education called no your target

924
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: and beyond? Or are we just now whanging away at

925
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: bipedal organism? No we are not. Officially, we are not

926
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: just whanging away at anything. Don't know your target and

927
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: beyond anything. I think every twelve year old would say that.

928
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: But the whole Bigfoot thing, to me again, it's like,

929
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: this is postmodern America. And if if you don't know

930
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: what postmodernism is, look it up, because to me, bigfoot

931
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: is a postmodern phenomenon. But there's guys like legitimate, guys

932
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: like less Stroud. I don't know if we all think

933
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: less strate of legitimate the survivor problem. The survivor man

934
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: went all in on Bigfoot. I think it's but a

935
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: lot of people do. This guy says, the guy that

936
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: roared in. This guy even says that they were they

937
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: They believe they were able to self tag a wood

938
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: ape with a nanotag radio transponder transponder and tracted for

939
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: ten months, attempted to close in with the animal, came

940
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: very near at times. UM got a lot of geographical

941
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: data on it, and they feel as though they were

942
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: able to calculate a potential home range for the species.

943
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: Excuse me, no, it's it's just just reply. Let me

944
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: know when you get one, like, let me know when

945
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: you can you have nets? You ever like net one, Well,

946
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: put some sticks over it. We can start a rhinoceros

947
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: dart one. Here's why you can't trail Camum. I'm not

948
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna say anymore about again. I am like I do

949
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: not for the second. Everyone knows my opinions. I'm just talking.

950
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: It's like an interesting like you dip your toe into

951
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: the world. It was interesting to watch, like I had.

952
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: We We had a guest on a couple of episodes

953
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: ago who did a podcast series where she explores the

954
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: world of bigfoot enthusiasts, and I thought, oh, that's interesting

955
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: and had a conversation with it, and it's just funny

956
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: to look at. It was funny to see the right

957
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: the feedback that came in. I remain like, if you

958
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: want to hear my opinions on they're unchanged, listen to

959
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: the episode. But it was fascinating to see the mental

960
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: gymnastics that people go through in order to keep this

961
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: notion alive. For instance, that um, you can't get a

962
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: trail cam image of them because they see somehow infrared

963
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: and they can tell when there's and there's there's sounds

964
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: that like a trail cam amidst feelings that they detect.

965
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: It admits electro magnetic radiation. It's like hunting with hes

966
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: and I was just gonna and they even say a

967
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: guy was saying, in fact, a bigfoot's aversion to trail

968
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: cams is so strong that if you have a big

969
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: foot messing with your house all the time, just put

970
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: trail cams up and he won't come around anymore. He'll

971
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: stop messing with your house, firing rocks at your house

972
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: all the time. It's a helpful safety. Yeah, it's just

973
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: like dudes, they have ghost hunting TV shows on like

974
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: some channel. Nobody watches. If that was happening, happened on

975
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: like the news. Yeah, if somebody found if somebody find

976
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: a big foot, it will happen on like you'll see

977
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: it on the no. But here it is. You don't

978
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: need to follow it. Yeah, it's not even worth it.

979
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: What do you got? I like, I feel bad for

980
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: having brought it up. And at times I've vowed to

981
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: stop talking about stuff and then broke my vow. Yeah

982
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: that's that old Joe crad It's it's uh. There's no

983
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: such thing as a short cut. If it was the shortest,

984
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: fastest route, it would just be called the way. All right, man,

985
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: But you know I broke my vowel. But I'm gonna

986
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: make a vow. I made a vow to stop dogging

987
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: on people who like super crafty beers. And what about

988
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: your mug vow? Last time I was on your vow.

989
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: I break vowels all the time. But I'm vowing right

990
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: now for real, for keeps. I'm vowing to stop talking

991
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: about damn bigfoot's thank God? But what about what about

992
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: what apes them? To them? Too? Lump those put them together?

993
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: By petle? What do you got? I'm sick of hearing myself.

994
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: Come up, you're ready to leave big foot? Yeah, okay,

995
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: speaking of tough animal to find in the woods, you

996
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: guys haven't caught on yet. We have a thing here

997
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: on the Mediator podcast where we just try to out

998
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: segue each other. You guys can all join in at

999
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: anytime and uh when then someone else should do the rating.

1000
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: I tried, but you guys, I don't know if you

1001
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: guys gave me the thumbs up for actually pulling it off. Anyways,

1002
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: in this case, you could say, speaking Mark asks h

1003
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: what is the toughest combination of animal and environment to

1004
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: spot while hunting? So you mean I think he's asking, like,

1005
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: out of all the stuff that we hunt and all

1006
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: the different places that we hunt, what's like, what's the

1007
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: toughest animal to spot in its environment? His example is

1008
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: a white tailed deer, standing white tail deer in a

1009
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: standing cornfield, which I would say that it's impossible to

1010
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: spot that at the top of the corn It's hard

1011
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: to spot a deer behind a brick wall too. Yes,

1012
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: you can't see him. Yeah, that's okay, because that that's

1013
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: are you talking about, Like, it's it's in wide open

1014
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: you could see it, but it's camouflaged by its environments,

1015
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: like that's what. Yeah, because if it's it was behind

1016
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: standing corn, you probably can't see it anyway. Yeah, and

1017
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: we should narrow it down to like it would be

1018
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: possible to see it. Yeah, land land mammals, because's no

1019
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: reason to spot hell of it. Well yeah, and even

1020
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: like water I was gonna take out waterfowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, animals, animals,

1021
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: land mammals. I say, the gray ghost, Yeah, I mean,

1022
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: that's definitely the first one that comes to mind. Or

1023
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: the couster. I've never hunted coust here. That's the great ghosts,

1024
01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: the cus. They're famous for being hard to spot. I

1025
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: think that a mule deer because when when the snow,

1026
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: when you get snow and the snow starts to melt

1027
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: off and it's splotchy, patchy, that makes spot mules. You're

1028
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: very difficult because is it easy to do, but to

1029
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: eliminate the things that are easy to spot always like

1030
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: a moose. A moose in the snow, it's pretty easy

1031
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: to spot, but they can still vanish in a will

1032
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: thick But yeah, I think that when because when you

1033
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: look at for mule deer, you're looking for the bodies

1034
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: of the butts. The bodies on the snow are really easy,

1035
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: and the butts out in the sagebrush are easy. But

1036
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: when you get splotchy snow, your eye doesn't trigger on

1037
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: the butts or the bodies. Yeah, so you've got natural

1038
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: camo and and it would make sense that coustier's a

1039
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: smaller bodied creature, so it's going to be more difficult

1040
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: to spot. I think you could make an argument for

1041
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: a black tail deer. Yeah, coastal coastal blacktail deer can

1042
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: be veryfficult to spot in all the dark shadows. That's

1043
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: hard to spot. I think easy to spot. Um. One

1044
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: of the easiest things to spot that I found is

1045
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 1: when you have black bears in the alpine holy smokes,

1046
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 1: like iridescent black blobs you can spot from a couple

1047
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: of miles away with the naked eye like green background

1048
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:29,479
Speaker 1: and then this iridescent blob well and and spring black

1049
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: bear in general, just even locally around here. It's that's

1050
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: a that's a good good job finding. I mean, now

1051
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: you look at a lot of stumps before you see one,

1052
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: stand up and walk around. You know, here's one kind

1053
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: of off the continent, um hmil and tar and the

1054
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: tussic flats of New Zealand. When they get up like

1055
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: below the alpine and they're hanging out, it's tough like

1056
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 1: a tussock. Like the tussock, it's just a grass looks

1057
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: exactly like the hair off of tar hunting white tilles

1058
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: in Michigan is here. It was pretty fun where being

1059
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: out one day and there's no snow, and being out

1060
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: the next day and there's snow, and man, you just

1061
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: because it's a lot of tall brush and a lot

1062
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: of thorn, you know, like multi floor rose thickets, But

1063
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: that snow hits and all of a sudden, you're like, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear.

1064
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: Then you would not have caught without Oh yeah, I

1065
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: mean it makes vulnerable by telling the rut. Depending on

1066
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: the you know, what's on the ground and what conditions.

1067
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it can be really hard to find, you know.

1068
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: You can you can know there's a buck right a

1069
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: hundred yards in front of you, and you might see

1070
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: an ear, you might see an antler, you know, but

1071
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: they can freaking get on their hands and knees and

1072
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: crawl with the best of them. A guy rode in

1073
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: and he swears this is true. He says, you're sitting

1074
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: on a power line in Texas. Thank he's in Texas.

1075
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: He says he saw a buck coming along. He says,

1076
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: I would never believe if someone told me this, but

1077
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 1: I saw my own two eyes. He's that he saw

1078
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: a buck coming along, got to a power line cut

1079
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: and got down on its knees, I don't know, down

1080
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: on his knees and crossed the power line cut on

1081
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: its knees and stood back up and walked off into

1082
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: the woods. I have a difficult time with that. You

1083
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a difficult time with that,

1084
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: But not with the bipedal mountain ape scenario. Very different

1085
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: I have. That's I mean, you see you see I

1086
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: can't even see if he would break your sworn earth.

1087
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, I don't know

1088
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: that's you heard anything like that? But getting down on

1089
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: his knees around what you've seen. You've seen a white

1090
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: tail get on his knees. I've seen deer. I've seen

1091
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 1: deer slunch slumped down and try to keep a low

1092
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: pro I've seen a white tail buck on his knee

1093
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: front knees getting through underbrush and stuff. Really not, but

1094
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: he was saying. Here he was keeping a low pro

1095
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: to go across the cut line. That's a different thing. Now,

1096
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: we did We talked about this ten times on this

1097
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: UH program. We one time come around the corner in

1098
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: the canyon and walked in on a wild turkey. And

1099
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: this wild turkey laid down and laid his head and

1100
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: neck out flat ass on the ground. He jumped for cover,

1101
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: laid down. Yeah, i've seen access to here. Do that?

1102
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean you well from here to that wall. No,

1103
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: they're there with a bone and be trying to get

1104
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: a shot at them, and they're just up under a bush.

1105
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: Put their head up under the bush and like their

1106
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: neck where you can't you can just see there's hiding.

1107
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: He's hiding from you. And then when you get in

1108
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: whatever zone he knows he can bulk, he bolts and

1109
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: it's so fast you're nothing you can do. What'd you take, Joannie?

1110
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: You can't throw it out and then not have any feedback.

1111
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: I gave my my answer to the hardest animal to find.

1112
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: But now you guys are talking about deer on their knees.

1113
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: I didn't throw that out, but I do have that

1114
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: was a that was a tangent. I do have a anecdote. Okay,

1115
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I was there in camp when this happened.

1116
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: But two fellas, two brothers um came back into camp

1117
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: and one brother was on stand watching. Where we hunt

1118
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, it's like these big oak woods and there's

1119
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 1: a lot of ridges and bowls and pretty much you

1120
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: kind of when you post up to sit for a day,

1121
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna watch a whole bowl and maybe a ridge

1122
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: or two in the ridge behind you. He watched a

1123
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: buck come into this bowl snow on the ground. Washed

1124
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: a buck come into the bowl and go into the

1125
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: thicket down in the bottom and disappear beted down. So

1126
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: he and he could see all the ridges of this

1127
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: bowl and could if the buck left, he would see it. Well,

1128
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: his brother shows up midday and he's like, hey, walk

1129
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: the bowl for me. There's a buck down there and

1130
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: kick him up. So he goes down there, walks the

1131
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: whole ball. No buck comes out, so they go back

1132
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: in there and he's like, I know what that thing

1133
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: went in. So the go in there and find the tracks.

1134
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: Then they from the they follow the tracks from the

1135
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: bed and they find a log that is laid down

1136
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: from the thicket up towards the ridge and they can

1137
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:22,520
Speaker 1: see tracks and then a belly scraping alongside the backside

1138
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: of this log as it goes to the top of

1139
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: the ridge and then the tracks pick up and he

1140
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: and he left. I like it. Walk the log, walk

1141
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: the log, No, no, behind the log, belly scraping on

1142
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: the ground behind the bed, out of sight of the hunter.

1143
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: So the buck left the ball and that's how he

1144
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: got out of there, with the hunter not being on

1145
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: to see him. I like it. There's gotta be I

1146
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: haven't explored YouTube, but if it's something that happens, it's

1147
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: probably there bucks walking on their knees to avoid detection. Yeah,

1148
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Oh, speaking of bucks like that,

1149
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: there's a news story of the couple of people sent

1150
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: me of an Amish feller who shot a poach point buck.

1151
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: Like he shot one buck and then like tagged the

1152
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: buck and then shot another buck and moved the tag

1153
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: from one buck to the next buck. And we're talking

1154
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: about like fines, like whether or not you get a

1155
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: good find or a bad fine. This guy picked up

1156
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:36,839
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollar. Where was this in Ohio? Millersburg, Ohio.

1157
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: They make a big point in the article of pointing

1158
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: out that, um, he's an Amish man. He put like

1159
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: he put a game check number on ad He used

1160
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: a game check number that had originally been used by

1161
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: another hunter. He'd also then also took more than one

1162
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: antler deer in a license year, which led it to

1163
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: be that he had a posession of Like all these

1164
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: things add up, right, you wind up with all these counts, right,

1165
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: you're like something, commit a crime with thirteen counts or whatever,

1166
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: but you want to. Then he's also got possession of

1167
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: deer parts that are in property tag, which is another

1168
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: thing and also adds a lot of scrutiny in the

1169
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: past seasons typically, so maybe they picked up he had

1170
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: like and it turns out like the game check number

1171
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: he used was originally used on the dough. But anyways,

1172
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,440
Speaker 1: it all adds up. Dude winds up with eight thousands,

1173
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 1: seven hundred and some dollars and fines. Sure that hurts,

1174
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: and then he can't hunt for two years. That's how

1175
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: do you How do you get to go hunting again

1176
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: in two years? Those things don't equate? And fines and

1177
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: a two year penel. Well, this guy doesn't sound like

1178
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: he may follow that rule either. Yeah, maybe not my

1179
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: favorite part of it. As it says, and I had

1180
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: to think about this for a minute. It says that

1181
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: they tried to reach him for comment, but he was

1182
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 1: unavailable for comment. He's not hunting, no, because he doesn't

1183
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 1: have a phone. He's amish. What are you gonna do?

1184
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: Send someone over there, knock on the door. What do

1185
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: you think about those poachings? That's a that's like I

1186
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: would put that in the pretty stiff fine category. I mean, well, yeah,

1187
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: there's a clear trail of total disregard for the rules.

1188
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: Right as a hunter, would you rather see the penalty

1189
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 1: be longer and the time out of the woods or money?

1190
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: Because I would much rather him be You gave him

1191
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: ten years and five bucks. When I look at that,

1192
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: my thinking is, wow, that's a lot of money for

1193
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: a buck, because I think sometimes you see someone poaches

1194
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: a buck and they get a light that you mud

1195
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: up seeing these fines a thousand bucks. But I think

1196
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 1: it also kind of like plays into um, you know,

1197
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: I you might be treated differently. You know, you're down

1198
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: on your luck and you shoot a forky buck for

1199
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: some meat, Like a judge would consider that in a

1200
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: game ward and we're talking about sentences a day, and

1201
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: we're expressing some frustration with why do some guys get

1202
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: such big fines like the guy what was the guy

1203
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: that killed the three moose and Alaska hit a hundred

1204
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: thousand dollar fine and in a game ward and our

1205
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: our friend Eric from Idaho Road and he goes, you know,

1206
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: you gotta understand a game ward and doesn't you don't.

1207
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: You don't get to dole out the punishment, right. Look,

1208
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: it typically goes in front of a judge, and you've

1209
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: got judges that that take you know that, you have

1210
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: certain judges that are known as real hanging judges on

1211
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: wildlife crimes, and you've got some judges who wildlife crimes

1212
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: don't really register with them and they can't picture, Oh,

1213
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: it's just a deer, right. Their attitude would be like, oh, yeah,

1214
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: who cares. They don't understand, like they don't understand the value.

1215
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: They maybe don't understand and prioritize the value of the resource.

1216
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: They might have had a who knows what cases they

1217
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: heard that day of what kind of horrible crimes they've

1218
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: been dealing with that day, And then you come in

1219
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, some guys shot a deer, I don't

1220
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: care and and and not treat them. But then some

1221
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: judges are like really hardcore, and so it kind of

1222
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: depends on who winds up doing the punishments. And he says,

1223
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: you can try to influence them by telling them like

1224
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: the severity of the crime, but it's not you know,

1225
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: it's often not up to you. But you would you

1226
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: would think that you'd have more you're saying, a better

1227
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: chance of running into a judge that would be more

1228
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: strict and Alaska than you wouldn't where it's recognized a

1229
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: very valuable that your citizens and your economy rely on that,

1230
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: and it's more prevalent you're gonna see more wildlife related

1231
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: crimes in a place where people are interacting with wildlife

1232
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: more awten and might yeah, and you could be that

1233
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: you know, you get one, but it's a hefty crime.

1234
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: But in looking at him, like guy has a lot

1235
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: of money. Not that I feel bad for the dude

1236
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: for the fine, because it is like, you know, he

1237
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: really was going out of his way to to pull

1238
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: off some right, he was going way out of his

1239
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: way to pull it wasn't like he made a mistake

1240
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: and then tried to cover it up. He was like

1241
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: actively being deceptive. I look, I'm like, that's a lot

1242
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: of cash, but that look, I'm like that seems like

1243
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: a uh, pretty weak on the revocation of hunting privileges.

1244
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: I think that to your question, Ben too, like, I

1245
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: think the money, it is a lot of money, but

1246
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a greater deterrent to the bet

1247
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: to the behavior because you can say five years or uh,

1248
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: and the and the culprit in this particular case, because

1249
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: it's difficult to enforce is he out there hunting two

1250
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: or three years? It's easy to enforce pay the fine.

1251
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: Have you paid or have you not? And then that

1252
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: that financial burden is a is a deterrent to others

1253
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: and to prevent RECIPIVI yeah, and it affects your family,

1254
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,440
Speaker 1: it affects those around you, that's right. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1255
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: You can see you've given the guy and a chance

1256
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: to be good. Where if you take aways hung your

1257
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: rights next twenty years, well you just created a dude

1258
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: that's going to poach for the next twenty exactly. You

1259
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: know that turn, It's a good perspective on it. This

1260
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: guy took like so the first Bucky shot was the

1261
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: eight point and then you wanted to swap heads out

1262
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: on it like legos, you want to swop heads out

1263
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: on it. And they later recovered the eight point head

1264
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: of the ditch. Oh is always a ditch because you

1265
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: don't like the thrill stuff. Yeah, and it's interesting too

1266
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: because you know Amish uh communities are that they're a

1267
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: communal resource. Right, they just share their firm, the equipment,

1268
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: they share uh right, the responsibility, uh financial responsibility. So yeah,

1269
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: this guy did make a twenty eight thousand dollar ding

1270
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: on the community. But that being said, like you know,

1271
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: there are payment programs um that you can get into

1272
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: to pay these fines over the course of years, because

1273
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: they don't take somebody makes a hundred bucks a day

1274
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: or twenty five bucks a day and say, hey, you

1275
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: know what's twenty eight grand? Where is it? Typically? Yeah,

1276
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean if you don't have it, you could build

1277
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: finance it, but you gotta pay it one way or another. Yeah,

1278
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: and there's no way around that. Yeah. So I was

1279
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: talking with an officer out of Lewistown, Montana, and he

1280
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: said he much prefers um uh seizure of uh. You know,

1281
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: you're hunting tools of the trade. In this case, you're

1282
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 1: poaching tools of the trade over anything, because he feels

1283
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: like that, in his experience, was always the greatest deterrent

1284
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 1: to future crime. It was like, we're gonna take your

1285
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: vehicle that you used to poach this if that is

1286
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, a comparable amount of fine money, or we're

1287
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: gonna take you're super fancy rifle. Um, because he feels

1288
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: like that has a longer lasting staining to it than

1289
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: a fine that they can be like, oh well, yeah,

1290
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: I just turned into seventy five bucks a month for

1291
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:02,879
Speaker 1: the next thirty five years or however it works. Yannis.

1292
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: Have we talked about um and we talked about the

1293
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: guy that the warden I met who had the theory

1294
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: about super poachers. Yes, we talked about it. Death from

1295
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 1: down in Kentucky. Oh I know what you're talking about.

1296
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: This is something different. Oh yeah, well I can't remember

1297
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: if we bought it up up again. Yeah, I'm gonna

1298
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: bring it up again. He has this idea that that

1299
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: in enforcing like and enforcing poaching, he feels that that

1300
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: you have ten percent of your poachers are doing your poaching,

1301
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: and he thinks that that's where you need to really

1302
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: put your resources, and he thinks that they're the same way.

1303
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: He thinks there's a there's a form of sociopath and

1304
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: like that, like sociopathic behavior can take a lot of forms,

1305
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: and there's a type of sociopath. And he has a

1306
01:18:54,720 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: personality type that he's built. Who these people are, what

1307
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 1: their motivations are, how they operate, where they live, what

1308
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: they do for living. All this, he understands them and

1309
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: studies them as a type of sociopathic behaviors to become

1310
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: a serial poacher, that's their outlet. And there's certain attributes

1311
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: of having like a trailer or a shed or a

1312
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: garage where you have all the heads and you are

1313
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: you have sociopathic anti authoritarian tendencies, You have a feeling

1314
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: that you've never really gotten what you deserve in life,

1315
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: that you seem to be somehow compelled along by this

1316
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 1: idea that you're going to deprive others of something. You've

1317
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: got it all figured out. They're idiots, you know, how

1318
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: to find these big bucks with a spotlight on somebody else.

1319
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: And and and it's like and and he has all

1320
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: these case examples of these guys who are doing like

1321
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: see real you know, serial poachers where when you find

1322
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: their cash, it's fifty or a hundred elk heads, you know,

1323
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: just squirrelled away in a basement. They'd be fascinating. Yeah,

1324
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: they think they're you know, they look at that big

1325
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: pile of poach and poached heads are like satisfied. Yeah,

1326
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,520
Speaker 1: he had said that there's there's a lot of similarities

1327
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: with there's a lot of similarities with serial killers, like

1328
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: the methods, Like they really like strange methodical behavior and

1329
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: it's it's a sociopathy. Wow. So if you meet a

1330
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't like the government, thinks the man's getting

1331
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: him down and has a big police Yeah, yeah, we're

1332
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: gonna to This might be the last one. Let's wrap

1333
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: it up. I got a busy day. Um, I don't know.

1334
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: I can't remember the guy who wrote in I don't

1335
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: have the email anymore. It's not gonna do this day.

1336
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: It's not in in front of me. But he wrote in

1337
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: asking why in the show we're always uh and we

1338
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: take always we always see this show. I think it's

1339
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:11,440
Speaker 1: the editors must like to show us loading the cartridge

1340
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: into the chamber. Yeah, they like that nice metallic they

1341
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 1: love clanky sound. Um, this guy editors like crick crossings,

1342
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: gate openings, burners getting turned on, ignited. I just watched

1343
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: the chambers shell shellen chamber in The Untouchables with Kevin Costner,

1344
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, and Sean Connery. Great flick, and they they

1345
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: must rack those pump shotguns dots and times, and it's

1346
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:46,799
Speaker 1: like howtimes sometimes the bartender mo racked pumpho. That's funny.

1347
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: I just watched that Netflix bird box. Sandra Bullocks in

1348
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: there and when Yeah, to prove her character, she's in there.

1349
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: She's like, I grew up. She said something like, I

1350
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: grew up on a farm. What does that? Every time

1351
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: I go to a farm, I look around where I

1352
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: look at some guy? I grew up in a rural environment.

1353
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: You're like, what, Well, clearly somebody in Hollywood wrote that ship.

1354
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: My dad has a horse watching Hollywood writers be like,

1355
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: oh no, I know all about these rural folks, what

1356
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: they like to do. I eat a lot of canned vegetables.

1357
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: You're like, Uh, so he's wondering, uh, why we do that,

1358
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: why we show that, Why we're out hunting without um

1359
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,440
Speaker 1: round in the chamber. He he is in the woods always.

1360
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: Once he starts hunting, he's got around chambered with the

1361
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: safety on, and that's how he goes about it. So

1362
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: I'll answer it with a song. There's no business, um

1363
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: larger what you're seen as a function show business because

1364
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: we have a chaot oftentimes, the chaotic situation with camera

1365
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: guys circling around, popping up in unexpected places on you

1366
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 1: now and then. And it's different than just being out

1367
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: by yourself or being out with your body when you

1368
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: have a good synergy and you kind of understand where

1369
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: everyone is, and it's really it's easy to have good

1370
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: muzzle control and just like if you're out home with

1371
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 1: your body, it's just once you know what you're doing

1372
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: and you guys kind of like know how to move.

1373
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: You just do not wind in situations where someone's sleeping

1374
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: their muzzle across your chest. It just doesn't happen. Um.

1375
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: It's easy to stay aware of who's around, You know

1376
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: what's going on when you when you throw in a

1377
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: filming and environment, UM, there's just two. There's there's too

1378
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: much that feels at times like a little bit out

1379
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,879
Speaker 1: of control or surprising, and there's like extra people around

1380
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: who need to get and get good angles and they're

1381
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: out in front of you and they're behind you, and

1382
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: and it just wants it's a good added safety. It's

1383
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: a good added safety protocol to just not do it

1384
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: unless you get in the heat of the moment and

1385
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: you feel like you're in a situation where there could

1386
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: be a shot coming up, like in in tight quarters,

1387
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: um in in when we're filming in that situation, I

1388
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: would even say, hey, heads up, I'm chambering around, and

1389
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 1: then this moment passes and I would be like, heads up,

1390
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: clearing the round. And it's just it's something we just

1391
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: developed over time. That's a good thing. With that said, um,

1392
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: if I'm bombing up some trail in the dark, I

1393
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: don't like, I don't like pull my gun out of

1394
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: a case and automatically chamber around. Just kind of depends

1395
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, I think in most instances it

1396
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: rarely helps. It's like it's not really that much of

1397
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: an added benefit to have one around chamber. Yeah, John,

1398
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: I was saying earlier, if you're still if you oh,

1399
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: you're still hunting, right, it starts to rain, You're like,

1400
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get them walking around and see if

1401
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: I run into something. Then maybe if you're by yourself,

1402
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: then maybe, but otherwise, I mean, I'm curiously if anybody's

1403
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 1: table here had has been involved in any accidental discharges,

1404
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: I have you after three? I can think of three

1405
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: or four right off hand. Absolutely, Yeah, And you know,

1406
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: it's a I think it's a really good topic that

1407
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: hunter should talk more about. I kind of preach it

1408
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: to my kids in the nature of hunter education. I mean,

1409
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 1: we're it's a zero uh tolerance game. You know, you

1410
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: get you get no chance to make a mistake. Yeah,

1411
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: accidental discharges and all the rest. But I'm a strong

1412
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: advocate of not chambering around when you're rifle hunting in

1413
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: most situations. And I certainly have friends who have a

1414
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: different opinion of it, and they think, you know, they're

1415
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: they want to be ready in case they need to

1416
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 1: make a quick shot or something. To me, it's not

1417
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: worth it. And it's almost never a situation where you're

1418
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: you're even gonna miss a hunting opportunity if you have

1419
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: to take a minute and and rack a rifle around

1420
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 1: with a bolt action rifle or whatever. So my my,

1421
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: my uh opinion on it is it's it's better typically

1422
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: not to have a round chamber. Yeah, it's an easy one.

1423
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 1: I always you know, spot and saw hunting out west.

1424
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: You see a lot of that, you know on the show,

1425
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: and John you obviously that's mostly what you do. But

1426
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: like back east, and I grew up hunting deer and

1427
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 1: I was gonna sit in a stand. I'm definitely gonna

1428
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,799
Speaker 1: have a round chambers once I get set in that stand.

1429
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: And even if I was hunting with somebody, I probably

1430
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: still getting the stand. And once you're ready, you're gonna

1431
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: chamber one because if white sailed deer and you know

1432
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: those kind of woods, your SHOT's gonna be less than

1433
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: a hundred yards and a lot of times they pop

1434
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: up and they're just right there in front of it it,

1435
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: and you could screw up the hunting opportunity if you

1436
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: had to chamber around. I get that, and it's reasonably safe.

1437
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: You're sitting there by yourself. You've got good muzzle control,

1438
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: all the all the rest of it, and you and

1439
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: you're right honest. Out here in the West, larger countries

1440
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: spotting stock hunting for the most part, that's talk and

1441
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: you're climbing over stuff and understuff, and it's like, uh,

1442
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 1: you know, recently, I was hunting with my little boy

1443
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: and we set up to rattle, you know, to call

1444
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: hunting white tails and set up I'll be like, okay,

1445
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: we're gonna chamber around and talked about how we're gonna

1446
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: do that, and then talked about how we're gonna undo it,

1447
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, um to be ready. What I used to do.

1448
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: I now use a neoprene sock, you know, a neoprene

1449
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: cover for my scope, which I love not I can't

1450
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: picture ever using anything else. I used to use the

1451
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: kind that had like the elastic you know, the shock cord.

1452
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: We used to make our own. Just go down to

1453
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 1: hardware store making like indestructible shot cord scope covers with PBC. UM.

1454
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: What I would do is if I had a round

1455
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: in my chamber, I would always have that scope cover

1456
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: as a reminder. I would put that scope cover on

1457
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: like a bracelet, and that was my like, you have

1458
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: a round in your chamber, don't forget. Yeah, that's a

1459
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: that's a nice thing to do, a little you know,

1460
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: tool or a device to remind you that you're that

1461
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: you have a round chamber, because you know, stuff happens

1462
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: out there. It's it's chaos theory. Just when you think

1463
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 1: of I've got a round chamber. But I'm good. This

1464
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 1: is an easy hike and my safety is on. You know.

1465
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: That's when you cross over a log and you trip

1466
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: and follow me. Just stuff happens. I would never My

1467
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: oldest kid is eight. It will be that many more

1468
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: years into the future, probably more before I would ever

1469
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 1: entertain the idea of him having a chambered around unless

1470
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: he was preparing to shoot right. And it it as

1471
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: a parent, it really hits home with you, you know

1472
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: when when you're when your kids are are now hunting

1473
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: on their own with their buddies, and it's like, okay,

1474
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, go get them guys. Uh. I personally still

1475
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 1: to this day say I don't want you chambering around,

1476
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: And I don't really want you hunting with someone who's

1477
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: got a round chamber. You know, assess the hunting competency

1478
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 1: of your buddies, because that's the one that's the bullets

1479
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 1: gonna get. And and I have had good friends, I've

1480
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: had experiences hunting with very good friends who did not

1481
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: maintain and control of their muzzle. And you see a

1482
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: muzzle pass in front of your body and and I

1483
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: hate to be kind of a jerk about it, but

1484
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: it's almost like a zero tolerance deal. It's like, I'm

1485
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: probably not gonna hunt with you again. Story this year,

1486
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember what stated what it was in the Midwest. Uh.

1487
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 1: Guy was hunt with his dad and he went to

1488
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: pick up his dad, and his dad was getting down

1489
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 1: off his tree stand or somehow somehow decided to hand

1490
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: by the barrel, hand his rifle to his son. His

1491
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: son reaches up to grab the rifle. Mm hmm, dead dad, brutal. Yeah,

1492
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: because it's it's a game of worst case scenario. What's

1493
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario if you don't have a round

1494
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 1: shaped budder gets the way? That's the thing I can't

1495
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: I and sitting here talking about it, I really can't

1496
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: think of it. I can't think of a case, a

1497
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: situation where you could really honestly say I would have

1498
01:29:55,479 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: had I would have had that whatever, had I had

1499
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: a round chambered. I really can't think of a case

1500
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: that that I could legitimately say. That's thing and people

1501
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: talk about the noise. But what I do is I

1502
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: keep I'll keep like when I'm doing that, I'll often

1503
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: keep one in my pocket or I'll keep around in

1504
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: my binal harness. And you don't need to go like

1505
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: it's not like you're like demonstrating your rural street creds.

1506
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 1: But you can just kind of open it up, place

1507
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 1: it in there and not work one out of the

1508
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: not working one out of the magazine, which is noisy,

1509
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: but open placed one in, put your finger on the

1510
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: round it's in the magazine, press it down and close

1511
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: the bowl. It's not that loud. Well, you can if

1512
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 1: you're sitting as you I don't even say, and you're

1513
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: sitting in the ground blind, or just sit up against

1514
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: a tree, you leave the bolt open. Yeah, in that

1515
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: same way. Yeah, I grew I grew up my dad.

1516
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 1: If he said watch watch your muzzle once every ten minutes,

1517
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't a surprised even if you know, even if

1518
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,560
Speaker 1: I was sure I had shoulders slain my rifle and

1519
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: there's no way I was gonna muzzle anybody, he would

1520
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: still say, watch your muzzle. Absolutely, And kids should start

1521
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: learning that with BB guns. And it's it's a lifelong thing.

1522
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: And now, you know, you get through teenage years and

1523
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 1: my kids and oldest son now is twenty two, and

1524
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, we just hunted with him a few days ago,

1525
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: and uh, it's like, you know, when you're hunting with

1526
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 1: your friends, don't be afraid to say, my gun's clear,

1527
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm empty, my gun safe, you know, all the little

1528
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 1: hunter ed things. Just keep doing it. Yeah, my buddy

1529
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 1: guys up. Man, he uh, when we're with him, he'll

1530
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: he'll say he's doing it, like he'll acknowledge it, but

1531
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't take your word for it. Be like, oh,

1532
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: it's clear, I'm gonna check. Go ahead, bro, Like, don't

1533
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,560
Speaker 1: don't apologize to me, man, totally don't like, don't apologize

1534
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: to me about check all you want. Don't be insecure

1535
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 1: about that stuff. And it's no skin off anybody's nose.

1536
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,799
Speaker 1: And make sure you're gun safe. And it's just habits.

1537
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: And to hit the thing with the kids, I'll tell you,

1538
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 1: like this year, I was hunting cotton tails, my eight

1539
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: year old, and he shot a cotton tail. And then

1540
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 1: we're sitting there and he wanted to get his He

1541
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: wan him to keep the twenty two casing as a

1542
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: like just to putting his little bag as a little

1543
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: medicine box, you know. So he goes to get it out,

1544
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: and like it doesn't occur to him that when he goes,

1545
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: so he opens it up to retrieve one and closes

1546
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, now, buddy, what just happened? Like

1547
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: it just it didn't occur to him, like oh, and

1548
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: getting the one that I wanted, I chambered one. Well,

1549
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 1: he doesn't do anything without me being right on top

1550
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: of him in handling, you know, But had I not

1551
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 1: been there, it wouldn't have occurred. He wouldn't have put

1552
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: that together. Well, I mean, we're talking about bolt action

1553
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: rifles really in this situation or spotting talking a deer

1554
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: or something. Think about in the upland field. You you

1555
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: can't if you're if you're running and over under, you

1556
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: can't walk around. Mean you you could walk around sometimes

1557
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: when it broke open. Most times you can't. It's hard.

1558
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: It's hard. You're like jump shooting. Yeah, it's like you're

1559
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: that's a real that's a real deficit. Say well, and

1560
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: how many people be sitting in a pit behind with

1561
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes where that you got the rack

1562
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 1: in front of you, Or you lean up your shotgun

1563
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: and it's loaded and it's wet or icey or something

1564
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: in the shotgun just falls over and if it's loaded,

1565
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 1: you never know what's gonna happen, and so those are

1566
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: to me like some of the more dangerous situations there are. Yeah,

1567
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 1: there's definitely there's definitely cases where it really has implications

1568
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: for like efficacy, right, Like it's it's not if you're

1569
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: sitting there in a duck blind. In order to be

1570
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: like in the game and to be like an active

1571
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 1: participant there, you're gonna you have to be ready to shoot.

1572
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 1: You gotta reay shoot. So that that comes down to

1573
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: where you increasingly like you're really a lot relying on

1574
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: judgment and attentiveness. Um, I think there are other cases

1575
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 1: where if you really look at it, like case by

1576
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: case going throughout your day, there's a lot of situations

1577
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: where you're really not at a deficit to have that extra.

1578
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: But it's the thing enough where like so many people

1579
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: have written and asking that question. Yeah, Yeah, I had

1580
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: an interesting thing go down when I was in North

1581
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 1: Carolina over the holidays through Kevin Murphy, I met another

1582
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: uh squirrel hunter that had a dog, and when he

1583
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: picked me up, he said, Oh, we're gonna go pick

1584
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: up this uh a friend of mine. He's seventies seven.

1585
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: He's trying dogs, but he doesn't walk the woods anymore.

1586
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 1: But he's just gonna come come along and you know,

1587
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: hang out with the truck. Great, you know, so go

1588
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 1: and pick this guy up. He gets in the truck,

1589
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:22,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't even introduce himself. He's just like, hey, man, um,

1590
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 1: are you cool on gun safety? Because we only hunt

1591
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,480
Speaker 1: with dudes that have a gun safety is a high priority.

1592
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: And I was kind of like, whoa, you know, like

1593
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: but you know, and he went on to tell me

1594
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 1: he had two, uh family members, some of them kind

1595
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: of distant, you know, a couple of cousins removed or whatever,

1596
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,440
Speaker 1: but two family members that have been in gun accidents.

1597
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 1: You know, one had died. But uh yeah, that just

1598
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: struck me. And of course I was like, yeah, bro,

1599
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't hunt with dudes that you know, don't exhibit

1600
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, ex superior gun safety either. And you know,

1601
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 1: I won't even load my gun until there's a squirrel

1602
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: that up and a treat them looking at right on

1603
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: top of that, how's your personal hygiene? But only after

1604
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: that did he say so you're from what's your name?

1605
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: Was say, honest, he goes, yeah, it's an interesting name.

1606
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: Jan's Poodless. Uh quick update, it's hard because like there's

1607
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: like a delay and because of the holidays, we haven't

1608
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: been able to like monitor where things are at on

1609
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 1: ticket sales for the upcoming live tour. But we have

1610
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 1: upcoming events. I believe, Uh, it'll be way old news

1611
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,759
Speaker 1: by the time it gets there. Are are Portland events

1612
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 1: totally sold out that real quick. We have upcoming events Houston, Dallas, Sacramento, Seattle,

1613
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 1: Kalamazoom Michigan, Kalamazoom Michigan. I'm not sure what's there. Cleveland,

1614
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 1: not sure what's there. I think that most every venue

1615
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: are v I P tickets are gone. There's still VI

1616
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: i P tickets and I don't know. I don't think

1617
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: there are there's still tickets for Ree know absolutely. Um, dude,

1618
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: go to our Reno show. Um is that sheep show? Yeah?

1619
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 1: You can go to sheep show at the same time. Yeah,

1620
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: and enter the Lesson One Club because most of you

1621
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 1: mugs listen and probably have not killed the sheep, And

1622
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: there's no better way to get an opportunity to go

1623
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: hunt to sheep, kill the sheep. There's somebody in this

1624
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:24,839
Speaker 1: room who went to the Lesson one Club last year's

1625
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 1: right it happened to win. Did you go do that? No?

1626
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 1: I have not when that, well, yes I do want

1627
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: to go. It's like the only thing I've ever won,

1628
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 1: so yeah, that'd be great winner. No, I'm not a

1629
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: big winner winner. No, I'm just one of those greases

1630
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:47,600
Speaker 1: the skids for everybody else. You're one hell of a

1631
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: goose caller, dude, I'll give you that. I had no

1632
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: idea it was a very talented sportsman. I knew that,

1633
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 1: but I had no idea that he was such an

1634
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: emphatic and effective caller. That Cott's wild, you know, like

1635
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 1: we hadn't been hunting together, something like feeling everybody out

1636
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,640
Speaker 1: and Cal's hammer and the mallard call, you know, and

1637
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: I was this closely going, dude, come on, he's up

1638
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: on the mount. But then I was like, damn, this

1639
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: guy can call birds and he's turned to birds. Talking

1640
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: to animals, man, I've always always loved talking to animals. Coyle.

1641
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: There was a bunch of geese flying in a v

1642
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: high like I would have bet the ranch. They're packing

1643
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:28,759
Speaker 1: the mail, you know, heading out of country, and dangs.

1644
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 1: Cal didn't turn them, broke them up and they came

1645
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: in and we got them there, like who's that sweet throated?

1646
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 1: It was cool toting around chambered. It was good that

1647
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 1: you guys saw that day because there's a lot of

1648
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: days when those geese just keep on and going. So

1649
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 1: that was fun. That was super fun. Alright, As I

1650
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: was mentioned live tour, go to the meat eater dot com.

1651
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: Fish around there and uh sign up for our newsletter

1652
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 1: while you're there, and fish around there for live events,

1653
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 1: and then go dig around and check out which venue

1654
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: you would like to go to. We'll add more venues,

1655
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 1: but right now we're focusing on these ones we got there,

1656
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: so go go check around. Um you folks, look forward

1657
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: to meeting you, and you have a chance to buy

1658
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: our live to our exclusive steam Breathing Wild Turkey T

1659
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:27,719
Speaker 1: shirt and other cool stuff. Speaking of sheep show, good Okay,

1660
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 1: I was gonna end the show, but I like that. Sorry,

1661
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 1: And all the way back to what's the hardest game

1662
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 1: to find? You've got to kind of throw a knot

1663
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,719
Speaker 1: in for for sheep. Oh, I tried to find a

1664
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: real quick story doll sheep in the snow. Not easy?

1665
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: Not easy. One time I was following us set of

1666
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: tracks in my spotting scope and then couldn't figure out

1667
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: what happened to the tracks. And it seems I gotta

1668
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 1: be able to continue seeing them until I realized that

1669
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 1: I was staring at his sheep at the terminus of

1670
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 1: the tracks, which it didn't even register me that that's

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Speaker 1: why the tracks seemed to mysteriously end wild. Um, you

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Speaker 1: guys gonna be set up at sheep show, Ye sneeze booth.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be there in person, I will be you. Come.

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Speaker 1: Give John a hug and a kiss. That's right, free kisses.

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Speaker 1: Buy some boots, free kisses. You can rub it in

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Speaker 1: how he didn't get to go to Me and Cow's

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Speaker 1: meat party. Thank you for listening.