1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Happy Saturday. The Vanport flood took place on May thirtieth, 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight, or seventy eight years ago today, so 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: we have chosen our episode on it as Today's Saturday Classic. 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: This episode originally came out February third, twenty sixteen, Welcome 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio. Hello, 6 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: and Welcome to the podcast. 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy B. Wilson and I'm Holly Fryne. 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: Today's podcast is yet another listener request, but it's one 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: that was already on my to do list, so I 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: haven't made a note of who I'll ask for it. 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: On May thirtieth of nineteen forty eight, a flood destroyed Vanport, Oregon. 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: Fifteen people were killed, which, in light of some of 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: the other disasters we've been talking about on the show lately, 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: probably seems like a relatively small number, but the proper 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: damage involved was colossal. And what really makes the story 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: more than a historical footnote is how it is tied 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: into the racial makeup of both Portland and Oregon as 18 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: a whole, and a lot of the stresses and difficulties 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: that went on with racism and race relations both before 20 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: and after the flood. 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: The historical context for the Vanport flood goes back to 22 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: before Oregon became a state in eighteen fifty nine. The 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: issue of slavery within Oregon wasn't a totally simple one. 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: While it ultimately joined the Union as a free state, 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: there were people living there who were in favor of slavery. 26 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: This is one of several reasons why the people of 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: Oregon voted against holding a constitutional convention three separate times 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: before a vote finally succeeded. Among other things, putting off 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: a constitutional convention meant putting off a final decision on slavery. 30 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: Oregon did actually out lost slavery while it was still 31 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: a territory. In eighteen forty three, its residents voted to 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: incorporate language from the Northwest Ordnance into its own laws. 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: That language was quote, there shall be neither slavery nor 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: involuntary servitude in the said territory otherwise than in the 35 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 2: punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted. However, 36 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: a little less than a year later, the Provisional Government's 37 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: Legislative Council changed that eighteen forty three law with an 38 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: amendment that had the rather odd effect of simultaneously outlying 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: slavery and allowing it for a short period of time. 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: Slaveholders were given a deadline to remove their slaves from Oregon, 41 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: and if they refused, the slaves would be freed. The 42 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: amendment went on to specify that those previously enslaved persons 43 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 2: also needed to leave Oregon. Free black males had two 44 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: years to do so, and free black females had three years. 45 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: The punishment for refusing to leave after being freed was lashing. 46 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: This law was nicknamed Peter Burnett's Lash Law, after the 47 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: head of the legislative council that passed it. A little 48 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 2: later in the year, the punishment was shifted from being 49 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: lashing to force labor, and the law itself was repealed 50 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: in eighteen forty five before its punishment clause went into 51 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: effect after Jesse Applegate replaced Peter Burnett on the council. Then, 52 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: on September twenty first, eighteen forty nine, the territorial legislature 53 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: enacted another racial exclusion law in Oregon, which remained on 54 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: the books until eighteen fifty four. This law stated that 55 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: in Oregon, quote, it shall not be lawful for any 56 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: Negro or mulatto to enter into or reside. When Oregon 57 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: finally did assemble a constitutional convention on the road to 58 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: becoming a state in eighteen fifty seven, two proposals were 59 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: placed before its delegates. One would have legalized slavery. The 60 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: other was an exclusion clause similar to the one enacted 61 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: in eighteen forty nine. 62 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: Both of these passed by a wide margin. Oregon ultimately 63 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: did not want to be a slave state, but it 64 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: also did not want African Americans living there. 65 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: As a result. Article one, section thirty five of the 66 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: Constitution of the State of Oregon read quote, no free 67 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: negro or mulatto not residing in this State at the 68 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: time of the adoption of this Constitution shall come reside 69 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: or be within the state, or hold any real estate, 70 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: or make any contracts, or maintain any suit therein. And 71 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: the Legislative Assembly shall provide by penal laws for the 72 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: removal by public officers of all such Negroes and mulattos, 73 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: for their effectual exclusion from the state, and for the 74 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: punishment of persons who shall bring them into the state 75 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: or employ or harbor them. These articles made Oregon's constitution 76 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: unique among the free states. It was the only one 77 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: whose constitution was written to try to exclude black people. 78 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: The legislature did not, in the end provide penal laws 79 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 2: for the removal of African Americans from the state, though 80 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified on 81 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: July ninth, eighteen sixty eight, nullified Oregon's exclusion clause. As 82 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: a refresher, the Fourteenth Amendment was one of the reconstruction 83 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: amendments that followed the end of the Civil War. It's 84 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: the one that gives all citizens of the United States 85 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: the right to do process and equal protection under the laws. 86 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: The Fifteenth Amendment, ratified in eighteen seventy, also invalidated a 87 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: different article in the Oregon Constitution that denied quote Negroes, 88 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: Chinamen and Mulatto's the right to vote. However, even though 89 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: the Fourteenth and fifteenth Amendments invalidated them, those two exclusionary 90 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: articles weren't actually repealed in Oregon until nineteen twenty six 91 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: and nineteen twenty seven, respectively, and their obsolete text, along 92 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: with other language that alluded to race, like specifying the 93 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: white population needed to increase the number of state Supreme 94 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: Court justices, was actually still present in the Oregon Constitution 95 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: until a measure to remove it passed in two thousand 96 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: and two, and even then it only got seventy one 97 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: percent of the vote, and people cited as their reasons 98 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: for voting now things like unwillingness to tamper with the 99 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: historical document. So it's not clear exactly what the motivation 100 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: of everyone was, but it was definitely clear what the 101 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: motivation of some of them was. Although the state had 102 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: never passed enforcement measures to go along with these racial 103 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: exclusion laws, and the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments had been 104 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: invalidated those laws after the Civil War, the fact that 105 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: they were written into the state's foundational documents and had 106 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: been passed at all had a big effect on who 107 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: did or didn't move to Oregon in the migration that 108 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: followed the Civil War. The people who moved into Oregon 109 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: were overwhelmingly white, and some of those who did did 110 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: so because they found that constitutional language appealing. By the 111 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds, the Ku Klux Klan, perhaps the most notorious 112 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: white supremacy organization in the United States, had more than 113 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: fourteen thousand members in Oregon, nine thousand of them in Portland. 114 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: By comparison, very few black people moved into Oregon after 115 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: the Civil War. According to the United States Census Bureau, 116 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: by nineteen forty, just a few years before the Vanport Flood, 117 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: more than a million people lived in Oregon, only two thousand, 118 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: five hundred and sixty five were African American, or less 119 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: than a quarter of a percent of the population. Nearly 120 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: all of them lived in one small, segregated district in Portland, which, 121 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: thanks to racist laws, housing policies, and real estate practices, 122 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: was the only place in Oregon most black people could 123 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: find housing. The racial demographics of the area around Portland 124 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: changed dramatically before and during World War II, and the 125 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: circumstances are tied directly to the Vanport Flood. And we're 126 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: going to talk about that. But first we are going 127 00:07:50,360 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: to have a word from one of our fabulous sponsors. 128 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: To get back to our story. We're going to talk 129 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: about the beginnings of the city of Banmport. During World 130 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: War Two, the shipbuilding industry in Portland, Oregon and Vancouver, 131 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: Washington grew really tremendously in response to military needs. Most 132 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: of this growth came by a shipyards that were owned 133 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: by the Kaiser Company. Later Kaiser Shipbuilding Corporation, which began 134 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: working with the British Navy to build ships in nineteen forty. 135 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: The industry as a whole grew from a few thousand 136 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: people to more than one hundred and forty thousand employees 137 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: by late nineteen forty three. The Kaiser Company, which was 138 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: named for its founder, employed nearly all of them. This 139 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: huge influx of workers really put a strain on the 140 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: housing supply in and around Portland, thanks in part to 141 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: a long standing resistance to public housing. Many residents were 142 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: afraid that affordable housing would lower their property values and 143 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: bring in a quote undesirable class of people when it 144 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: came to the Kaiser Company's wartime employee. Another issue on 145 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: the mines of the Portland majority was that many of 146 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: them were black. Particularly in the earlier years of World 147 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: War two, black men were not seen as fit for 148 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: military duty. We've talked about this in other episodes before, 149 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: so as white men were drafted into the military, black men, 150 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: along with women of all races, were the ones to 151 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 2: very often fill those jobs. The same was also true 152 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: for newly created wartime work, in part because so many 153 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: of the people were moving into Portland to get these 154 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: jobs were black. Meetings in the city about how to 155 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: address the housing shortage were met with pickets and protests, 156 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: so in the summer of nineteen forty two, the Kaiser 157 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: Company worked out a deal with the US Maritime Commission 158 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: to build a town to house its workers, situated outside 159 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: the city limits of Portland in the Columbia River floodplain. 160 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: The town was originally called Kaiserville because it was being 161 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: built in bottom land and a floodplain. Thirty foot tall 162 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: dykes were built on two sides of the town to 163 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: keep the water out. On a third side, a railroad 164 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: embankment fulfilled the same function, but it had not been 165 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: constructed as a dyke. It was built by filling dirt 166 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: in and around a wooden railroad trestle. 167 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: Going through The US Maritime Commission let the Kaiser Company 168 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: do an end run around the Housing Authority of Portland. 169 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: Neither the Housing Authority nor the people of Portland got 170 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: much of a say in what was being built or 171 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: who would live there. The homes were built quickly and cheaply, 172 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: and they were intended as temporary wartime housing, not as 173 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: permanent structures. They were apartment buildings made of wood on 174 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: wooden foundations, and in the end there were nearly ten 175 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: thousand of these units. 176 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: This housing was really pretty incredibly basic. The units had 177 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: a small bedroom, a kitchenette with a hot plate, and 178 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: only one window that could open that was in case 179 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: of a fire. Units were furnished with tenants expected to 180 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 2: supply only personal items like linens and dishes and silverware. 181 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: But because the buildings were so cheaply made, they were 182 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: also quite noisy. There was very little to dampen the 183 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: sound between the units, and since the shipbuilding industry during 184 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: wartime ran literally around the clock, Vanport was also really noisy. 185 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: Around the clock. Fires were a problem, although fortunately these 186 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: were mostly small and none of them swept through the 187 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 2: nearly all wooden city, which would have been a definite possibility. 188 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: This temporary housing became the largest wartime housing development in 189 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: the United States and the second largest city in Oregon, 190 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: although since the government owned it it wasn't technically a 191 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 2: real city. It was renamed Vanport by combining the names 192 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: of Vancouver and Portland in November, and its first residents 193 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: moved in on December twelfth. Headlines hailed it as a 194 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: quote masterpiece of urban planning. Now all that happened in 195 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 2: nineteen forty two u s. You can tell how quickly 196 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: all of this was put together, since the Kaiser Corporation 197 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: only started working on it in the summer. As those 198 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: first families moved in, Vanport mostly offered housing anding else. 199 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 2: Although the city was roughly equidistant from Kaiser's three shipbuilding facilities, 200 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: which meant that there were shortages of rubber and gasoline. 201 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: People could walk to work, it was not really convenient 202 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: to getting into Portland or to any kind of transit. 203 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: The first residents had trouble getting basic supplies. Often it 204 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: was pressure from the Kaiser company, who was afraid that 205 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: they would lose their workers if they couldn't get the 206 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: basic staples that they needed that got things done. But 207 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: eventually Vamport did get a lot of amenities that you 208 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: would expect in a city, including a hospital, a movie theater, 209 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: and some shopping centers. Since it was built as worker housing, 210 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 2: it also had twenty four hour childcare services. In addition 211 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: to schools, the Vamport Extension Center, which would eventually grow 212 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: into Portland State University, taught classes there during the war. 213 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: Vanport eventually got its own ration board. The housing Authority 214 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: of Portland wound up essentially acting as a landlord and 215 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: in some ways as the city government. The housing Authority oversaw, 216 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: among other things, the creation of a fire department and 217 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: a school district. Law enforcement came from the county sheriff Department. 218 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: The relocation of black workers from all over the United States, 219 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: but especially from the Deep South and the Southwest into 220 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 2: Vanport was the first major migration of African Americans into 221 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: Oregon in the state's history. Between nineteen forty and nineteen fifty, 222 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: the percentage of Oregon's population that was African American grew 223 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: from point two to point eight percent. It's a still 224 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: tiny percentage, but a massive increase in all going into 225 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,599 Speaker 2: the same place. In the face of this influx of 226 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: African Americans to the area around previously overwhelmingly white Portland, 227 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: White's only signs that are more often associated with the 228 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: South became a lot more common, especially in the parts 229 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: of Portland that were closest to the railroad station, which 230 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: would have been how most people were getting there. Vamport 231 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: itself was also informally but fairly strictly segregated, with housing, 232 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: medical facilities, and recreational facilities all separated along racial lines. 233 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: The schools, however, were integrated, including hiring black teachers. 234 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: Overall, White residents of Portland were so distressed by the 235 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: influx of Black Americans that the Portland Art Museum arranged 236 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: a series of special exhibitions to try to calm their fears. 237 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: They were titled Wartime Housing, Ships for Victory and Migration 238 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: of the Negro, and they framed Portland as a tolerant, welcoming, 239 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: diverse place full of patriotic duty. Wartime Housing was an 240 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: adapted Museum of Modern Art exhibition that had been used 241 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: in other cities that, for various reasons, objected to the 242 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: building of mass housing for wartime workers. Migration of the 243 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: Negro was a Museum of Modern Art exhibition as well, 244 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: and was chosen because of a huge amount of anti 245 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: Southern bias being shown in Portland's white and black residents alike. 246 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: Ships for Victory, on the other hand, and was funded 247 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: in part by Kaiser Corporation, and, in the words of 248 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: an article on the matter in Pacific Northwest Quarterly Quote, 249 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: by the time the final object list was completed, Ships 250 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: for Victory violated nearly every curatorial convention and would by 251 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: no means have been considered a worthy exhibition or a 252 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: museum of art, but for the exigencies of war, basically 253 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: it was propaganda. By December of nineteen forty four, the 254 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: city of Vamport was filled nearly to capacity. Its population 255 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: was about forty two thousand people, but as the war 256 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: neared its end and wartime manufacturing slowed down, its population 257 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: started to drop. Most of the people who moved out 258 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: were white. They had the means and the opportunity to 259 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: find housing elsewhere. Vanport's black residents, though, were effectively stuck. 260 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: There wasn't enough room for them in Portland's tiny, segregated 261 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: black neighborhood, and they weren't welcome anywhere else. And because 262 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: many of them were laid off from their wartime shipbuilding jobs, 263 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: they also didn't have the financial means to just relocate 264 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: to a completely different state. As the war drew to 265 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: a close, authorities started talking about what to do with Vanmport. 266 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: On June seventeenth, nineteen forty five, The Oregonian reported that 267 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: city officials hoped that the black residents of Vamport would 268 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: leave to prevent any quote racial problems. After the war, 269 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: Vamport quickly developed a bad reputation, even though its crime 270 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: rate wasn't statistically very different from the city of Portland 271 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: and there was no disproportionate crime among its black residents. 272 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: People perceived Vanport as being crime written and shoddily built. 273 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: The latter criticism was valid, but as to the former 274 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: Captain j Earl Stanley, head of the County Sheriff's office 275 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: in Vamport, was quoted in a nineteen forty seven article 276 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: on the city as saying, quote, I have been stationed 277 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: at Vamport for only a year, but I am constantly 278 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: surprised that we have as little major crime as we do, 279 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: considering the conditions under which people are forced to live. 280 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: The walls between the apartments are certainly far short of 281 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: being sound proofed. This makes for trouble, particularly when two 282 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: families have children. The decades that have passed since that time, 283 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of research on what the psychological 284 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: effect is of just being constantly immersed in noise. This 285 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 2: is a real issue in Vamport. Like it was constantly noisy, 286 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: and it was noisy around the clock because there were 287 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: people working literally every shift. So what he's remarking on 288 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: here was later proved by science. That was probably a 289 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: little surprising that, given the fact that people were immersed 290 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: in a noisy, chaotic environment they couldn't escape, things were 291 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 2: actually running along the same lines as they were in 292 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: Portland in terms of things like crime. All of the 293 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 2: powers involved in this were still debating what to do 294 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 2: about Vamport in the spring of nineteen forty eight, when 295 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 2: the Columbia River started to rise due to a combination 296 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: of heavy rains and melting snow from the mountains. Flood 297 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: stage for the Columbia River was considered to be fifteen feet, 298 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: which which the river reached and passed early in May. 299 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: By May twenty fifth, the river had reached twenty three feet. 300 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: That was the day that patrol started inspecting the dikes 301 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: that surrounded Vamport. On May twenty eighth, the river reached 302 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: twenty eight point three feet and the tracks along the 303 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: railroad embankment started to sink by a couple of inches. 304 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: On the morning of May thirtieth, nineteen forty eight, a 305 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: bulletin from the Housing Authority of Portland was placed on 306 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: every door in Vanport, which ended in the words quote, 307 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: remember dikes are safe at present. You will be warned 308 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: if necessary, you will have time to leave. Don't get excited. 309 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: The bulletin also contained information on what to do if 310 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: the Army Corps of Engineers ordered an evacuation. I've read 311 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: these instructions and I found them a little patronizing. They 312 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 2: said things like don't get panicky exclamation point. Well, it 313 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: probably maybe wasn't intended as patronizing. It's hard to know 314 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: the intended tone of the writer on those. 315 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: I always wonder. But that same day, a crew detected 316 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: seepage in the railroad embankment and started reinforcing it with 317 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: sand bags. But at four seventeen PM, a hole formed 318 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: in the embankment and water started rushing toward Vanport. 319 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 2: Both fortunately and unfortunately, because it certainly saved lives, but 320 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: it also kept people from being able to save any 321 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: of their possessions. It was Memorial Day and the weather 322 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: was good. A lot of Vanport's at that point eighteen 323 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: thousand residents were away from the city, having picnics or hiking, 324 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: or just visiting people who lived elsewhere, so they weren't 325 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: home when the flood happened. A series of muddy swampy 326 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: areas called slews slowed the water down as it approached Vanport, 327 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: giving the people who were home about half an hour 328 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: to escape, and once it reached the town, the water 329 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 2: knocked the wooden houses completely off their wooden foundations. People 330 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: described the scene as looking like cork floating in a current. 331 00:19:54,760 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: Vanport was virtually completely destroyed. Fifteen people died, although persisted 332 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: that it was really a lot more, and numerous conspiracy 333 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: theories swirled around the event long after, supposing that there 334 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: was a giant cover up of a lot more deaths 335 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: that wasn't made public. More than a thousand of the 336 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: displaced families, or about six three hundred people total, were black. 337 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: That was about a third of Vanport's population. And we're 338 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: going to talk about the aftermath of the flood and 339 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: what happened after that in Vanport. Right after we pause 340 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: for a word from one of our fantastic sponsors. The 341 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: city of Portland knew ahead of time that it did 342 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 2: not have adequate emergency housing in the event that something 343 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: like this occurred. The housing authority had said that it 344 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: could house about fifteen hundred people, and the Red Cross 345 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: said that it could house seventy five hundred. This was 346 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: roughly half the population of Vamport. 347 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: At the time. Overall, white families had an easier time 348 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: of finding shelter than black families. Residents resisted the idea 349 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: of using churches and schools in white neighborhoods as shelter 350 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: for black people, and churches in the black neighborhood were 351 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: quickly beyond their capacity. According to local historians. There were 352 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: white families who welcomed black refugees from the flood, but 353 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: according to the oral histories of black survivors, this was 354 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: pretty rare. Many black families displaced by the flood wound 355 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: up being housed in abandoned shipyard barracks on Swan Island. 356 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: The feeling of a lot of people who were displaced 357 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: a Swan Island was that it was dangerous, like a 358 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: lot of the housing was right next to the water 359 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: and there was no buffer between the housing and the water, 360 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: and so a lot of these were families with children, 361 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: and people were very concerned about the fact that their 362 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: children could drown just being outside of the house, or 363 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: not even the house outside of the barracks. Five days 364 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: after the flood, refugees asked the housing at the Portland 365 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: for non discrimination policies to be part of any plans 366 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: for repairs or new housing. A Vanport Tenants League was 367 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: formed to try to address former tenants issues with the 368 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: Housing Authority, which, as you remember, had been basically acting 369 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: as the government of Vanport. In response, city officials branded 370 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: the tenants League, which had a significant black membership, as communist. 371 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: Survivors of the Vanport flood also tried to get some 372 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: relief in court, but they hit numerous dead ends. Several 373 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: suits were filed against the Housing Authority, but were dismissed 374 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: under an Oregon's sovereign immunity law, which protected the government 375 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: from being sued. More than seven hundred claims were then 376 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: filed against the United States under the Federal Tort Claims Act, 377 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: but the United States was protected under a law that 378 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: the federal government couldn't be liable for flood damage. The 379 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: fact that the federal government, the railroad, the state of Oregon, 380 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: and a private enterprise were all involved in Vamport's very 381 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: existence made the whole thing an astoundingly complex legal tangle. 382 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: President Harry S. Truman visited Vanport after the flood, and 383 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: cleanup was assisted by the American Red Cross. However, Portland's 384 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: white community strenuously resisted additional public housing, and voters repeatedly 385 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: rejected attempts to build public housing after the flood. Consequently, 386 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: Portland's one segregated black neighborhood, which became known as Albina, 387 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: became even more overcrowded than it had been before the war. 388 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: This effect became even more pronounced in the nineteen fifties 389 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: when a stadium was built in Albina's lower Tip, which 390 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: displaced the people had living there who had been living 391 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: there into the farther north, but into an area that 392 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: wasn't really any bigger. Arguments began in a class action 393 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: lawsuit against the government on August sixth of nineteen fifty one. 394 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: The court issued its opinion more than a year later, 395 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: on September twenty third of nineteen fifty two. The court 396 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: found that the Army Corps of Engineers work at the 397 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: dikes and railroad embankment was quote honest and competent. It 398 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: also found no agency involved, not the Army Corps of Engineers, 399 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: not the housing authority, not anyone to be negligent in 400 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: the matter of the flood, the failure of the railroad embankment, 401 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: or the fact that people had been told that morning 402 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: that they were safe. The plaintiffs appealed, and in December 403 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four, the Ninth Circuit Court affirmed the lower 404 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: court's ruling on the matter. I read the original ruling 405 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: and in a lot of ways it was infuriating because 406 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: it had language and it about like, it's not proven 407 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: that the fact that this railroad trestle wasn't really a 408 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: dike was responsible for why it failed. But the legal 409 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: scholar who wrote the paper on it was of the 410 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: opinion that all of these rulings made sense from a 411 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: legal standpoint, like the Oregon really did have a sovereign 412 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: immunity law, and the federal government really did have laws 413 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: protecting it against being liable for flood damage. Like all 414 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: of these things really legally added up. One of that 415 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: really erases the fact that the eventual response was basically 416 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: to do nothing. The Urban League in the Portland and 417 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: Double ACP tried to combat racist housing policies, but even so, 418 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: by the sixties, four out of five black people in 419 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: Portland lived in Albina, and even today the majority of 420 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: black residents of Portland live in its northeast quadrant. 421 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety, the Oregonian published a series called Blueprint 422 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: for a Slum, detailing redlining and other discriminatory housing practices, 423 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: as well as corruption in the mortgage lending industry that 424 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 2: made these same neighborhoods ineligible for home loans. It was 425 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: a lot of the same kind of stuff we talked 426 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 2: about in our two part episode on redlining last year. 427 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 2: By twenty fourteen, the focus had shifted to the concept 428 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: of gentrification. At this point, housing policies have changed. People 429 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: can get mortgages in those neighborhoods, but the result has 430 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: been the erasure of a lot of previously affordable housing. 431 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: So now the conversation is about how to improve neighborhoods 432 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: without pricing the people who live there out of the 433 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: neighborhood with no other place to go. 434 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: That's the Vamport flood. 435 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: It's the thing. I've thought about doing this before, but 436 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: it is another thing that has made me feel like 437 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 2: we need a not just in the South tag on 438 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: our website for the Times that people ask us how 439 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: come these things only happen in the South. That is 440 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: not true. Thanks so much for joining us on this Saturday. 441 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: If you'd like to send us a note, our email 442 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: addresses history podcast at iHeartRadio dot com, and you can 443 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 2: subscribe to the show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 444 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.