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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump has lost four billion

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Speaker 1: show for you today. Randy Weingarden, president of the American

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Speaker 1: Amanda Littman tells us about the down ballot races to

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Speaker 1: focus on to ensure DEM's win in November. But first

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Speaker 1: we have talking points memos. Josh Marshall, Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: Josh Marshall, thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 1: So I think of you as like the voice of Saturday. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and sorry, I apologize. And so you have written for

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Speaker 1: such a long time and covered views craziest election cycles?

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Speaker 1: Is this one the craziest?

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Speaker 2: I think so crazy? Is highly subjective and I had

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I think it has to be. And there

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Speaker 2: are just certain like objective ways. I mean, you've never

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Speaker 2: had a candidate drop out in the middle of the race.

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Speaker 2: People talk about the LBJ thing, but the system was

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Speaker 2: different then. He was really dropping out before the primary

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Speaker 2: race really started. It's different.

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Speaker 1: You haven't having a candidate running to stay out of jail.

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Speaker 2: I mean, those are the relatively normal things. I mean,

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Speaker 2: So there's just all of these things that are just

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Speaker 2: I mean, sort of any any campaign with Trump in

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Speaker 2: This is off the charts craziness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the craziness of it keeps getting badded down by

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Speaker 1: the conventional framing. I think something that really bores our

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's two things going on. One

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Speaker 2: You don't have any tool for it. And so there's

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Speaker 2: It's a branding thing more than a net worth thing.

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Speaker 1: Randy Winegarden is the president of the American Federation of Teachers.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Randy Winegarden.

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Speaker 3: I am always so joyful and honored to be with you,

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm always delighted to have you. It's funny because

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Speaker 1: it's like I'm one of those people that those people

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Speaker 1: to talk about Rupert Murdoch's New York Post. I want

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Speaker 1: You live, Ink Jesse lives in New York. We live

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Speaker 1: Tell us what they did.

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Speaker 3: We're going to sue them for defamation if they don't

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Speaker 1: children and you are a stepmother, ergo, you are lesser

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Speaker 1: in some way than someone who has had their own children.

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Speaker 1: I have had many, many children, two of whom almost

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Speaker 1: killed me with a very dicey delivery. And the idea

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Speaker 1: is preposterous. But I also feel like it has roots

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Speaker 1: in both misogyny and in some ways in a kind

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Speaker 1: of anti LGBTQ. So talk to me about that.

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Speaker 3: So initially, I think when Vance said it, you know,

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Speaker 3: you had Van, and you had Hot and you had youngkin.

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Speaker 3: They were all trying for the anti lgbt wrote. They

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Speaker 3: were looking to see which ways they could try to

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Speaker 3: polarize and divide, and you saw that in terms of

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Speaker 3: the book bands, and you saw that in terms of

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Speaker 3: what they were saying, and they did it very much

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Speaker 3: about educators and using terms like groomers and pedophiles and

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Speaker 3: things like that, and really re upping what we had

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Speaker 3: seen in the nineteen fifties to try to create this

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Speaker 3: division between people who are LGBTQ and people who are not.

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Speaker 3: They hadn't even started their transphobic media. And yet so

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Speaker 3: I say it this way, Molly, because there is an

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Speaker 3: intentionality behind everything that they do. And so when he

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Speaker 3: said it initially, you know, he just was really gross

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Speaker 3: about it because he said, oh, you know, if you

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Speaker 3: listen to the tone, and he does it in front

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Speaker 3: of what he thinks as a conservative Christian audience, and

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Speaker 3: he says, you know, how can anybody teach who's childless?

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Speaker 3: The tone is really really negative. What's been interesting to

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Speaker 3: me is that he reupted it when he's running for

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Speaker 3: vice president at the beginning of a new school year,

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Speaker 3: and how the reaction now has been completely different, because

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Speaker 3: the reaction now is it gets this.

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Speaker 6: Man out of his mind because like, think about in

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Speaker 6: the Catholic Church, how many nuns. The nuns are the

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Speaker 6: backbone of the parochial Catholic school system.

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Speaker 3: And last I heard, I thought they were all childless.

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Speaker 3: So and then you have all these new teachers who

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Speaker 3: kind of want to you know, they want to have children.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you try to recruit all sorts of

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Speaker 3: new teachers right at college.

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Speaker 1: They don't want it because it's too expensive, they can't

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Speaker 1: afford it.

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Speaker 3: We got to deal with childcare, We got to deal

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Speaker 3: with all of that. But it's like, if you look

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Speaker 3: at any schools. Every single student has had someone who's

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Speaker 3: a teacher.

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Speaker 7: Who knows they have kids. I mean, it's like it's

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Speaker 7: so people kept saying, Okay, this is really crazy. So

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Speaker 7: what I said was I don't really care what he

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Speaker 7: says about me. And you know, I corrected the record

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Speaker 7: because I do have amazing grandchildren and amazing children. You know,

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Speaker 7: I am a mother by marriage, and great and amazing

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Speaker 7: nieces and nephews and great nieces and efforts. But it's

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Speaker 7: besides the point. The point is it's the beginning of

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Speaker 7: the damn school year. You want parents and teachers to connect.

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Speaker 7: You want them to connect to ensure that our kids

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Speaker 7: have a great school year.

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Speaker 3: So the home deafness of him, you know, re upping

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Speaker 3: or redoubling the attack, just showed how disconnected he is

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Speaker 3: from what regular parents and regular teachers and people across

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Speaker 3: America are doing right this month, last month, and deaths

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Speaker 3: about So that's how disconnected they are that they don't

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Speaker 3: even think politically, Oh, we're trying to get parents to

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Speaker 3: vote for us, let's do it by fear instead of

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Speaker 3: actually rooting for their kid's success.

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Speaker 1: But it's also like part of the larger issue, and

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Speaker 1: I think I'm particularly cognizant of this because Jesse and

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Speaker 1: I did this big project twenty twenty five YouTube series.

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Speaker 3: Which was great, Oh thank you, Just some props to

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Speaker 3: the two of you. I think your series was one

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Speaker 3: of the first ways that became accessible to people to say, oh,

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Speaker 3: this is really bad, So props to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well, thank you. But such a fundamental part

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Speaker 1: of it is their war on the Department of Education.

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Speaker 1: And right again, because you have public schools in the

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Speaker 1: Red States get less money because you know, the state

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Speaker 1: taxes are lower, so they need more federal money to

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Speaker 1: even it out. And even still it doesn't necessarily work

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Speaker 1: like that, and it tends to be that the states

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Speaker 1: with the lower property taxes have less money for education.

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Speaker 1: So you really do see this like larger war on

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Speaker 1: public schools. And also the underlying thing here is a

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Speaker 1: push towards you know, homeschooling and religious schooling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it's three things. It's a push

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Speaker 3: towards the fragmentation of society, the Balkanization of society because

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Speaker 3: if you think about the public school as a public square,

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Speaker 3: like think about everywhere in America, not just in New

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Speaker 3: York City, but everywhere in America. What other institution, what

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Speaker 3: other entity, what other organization is everywhere in America where

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Speaker 3: people gather it's the public school. It's now kind of

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Speaker 3: become public square. So if you basically say, oh no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: that shouldn't be, we're gonna undermine it. We're going to

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Speaker 3: create distrust about it. We're going to defund it. What

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Speaker 3: other public square do you have? What other place do

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Speaker 3: you have that everybody convenes together, particularly particularly in rural areas.

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Speaker 3: Think about Friday night lights, particularly in rural areas. So

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Speaker 3: Number one is there. They are going against not just diversity,

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Speaker 3: but democracy, the pluralism that undergirds America. They're trying to

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Speaker 3: tear at it. And the second thing they're trying to

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Speaker 3: do is they're trying to tear at the funding. And

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Speaker 3: they do that with bouchers and charters and saying to people,

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Speaker 3: you have better options, and then the money gets taken out.

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Speaker 3: And then they did the same thing in terms of

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Speaker 3: saying and Project twenty twenty five and by the way,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to fund all these things like Headstart

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Speaker 3: and Title IE and IDA, which is for kids with

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Speaker 3: disabilities or kids who need extra funding. But the third

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Speaker 3: thing they do is they actually have a war against knowledge.

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Speaker 3: If you think about all of this stuff, this is basically,

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Speaker 3: let's get rid of the ladder of opportunity for poor

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Speaker 3: and middle class kids. Because if you look at and

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Speaker 3: Steve Rattner did this on Morning Joe this.

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Speaker 1: Week, Yeah, he's really good. I'm kind of obsessed with

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Speaker 1: Steve Rattner.

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Speaker 3: Gone, yeah, me too, I'm obsessed with his charts. His

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Speaker 3: charts were Oh my god. The red states get more

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Speaker 3: federal money for education than the Blue states. But this

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Speaker 3: is my last point.

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Speaker 8: They are fearful of our kids, and particularly their kids,

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Speaker 8: having real knowledge and being critical thinkers, and being able

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Speaker 8: to understand context and having friends who.

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Speaker 3: Are diverse friends of theirs. There is such a fear.

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Speaker 3: Not regular parent. I'm talking about the people who wrote

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Speaker 3: Project twenty twenty five. I'm talking about the billionaire crowd

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Speaker 3: who is trying to push this like the devices and

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Speaker 3: the assets. They are really afraid of children having real

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Speaker 3: knowledge and having the relational skills and the critical thinking

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Speaker 3: and skills to be able to navigate the world. In

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Speaker 3: fact less fact, the states that have been so aggressive

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Speaker 3: about universal vouchers, many of them are the same states

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Speaker 3: who have actually relaxed child labor laws at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Right, there are states where you can't get an abortion,

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Speaker 1: but you can have a young child working in a

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Speaker 1: factory and you know, and you can't get that kid

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Speaker 1: a free breakfast. But you know, the idea here of

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Speaker 1: pro life is pretty wild. I'm curious, now we're in

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Speaker 1: this sort of home stretchy selection, what do you think

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Speaker 1: of what sort of role teachers play. Tim Walls is

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Speaker 1: a great example. He's a teacher, Gwen is a teacher.

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Speaker 1: And I think the way he got into politics is

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Speaker 1: really interesting too. You know, he was in the Guard,

573
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: very upset about the Iraq War, decides to run for

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Speaker 1: office in a very red district, has his students like

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Speaker 1: canvassing for him. Talk to me about like the teacher

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Speaker 1: to politician pipeline and how in some ways people are

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Speaker 1: just sort of discovering that teachers make good politicians.

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Speaker 4: You know, it reminded me, and I've never told this

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Speaker 4: story publicly, but it reminded me of when the students

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Speaker 4: canvassing for him that when I was in high school,

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Speaker 4: you know, there were budget cuts.

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Speaker 3: I grew up outside of New York City, and my

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00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: beloved teacher was our head of stage crew, but he

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Speaker 3: was also a shop teacher and a driver's head teacher,

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Speaker 3: and there were many of us who can this the

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Speaker 3: public during that period of time. To try to save

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Speaker 3: his job and try to save several other people's jobs,

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00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 3: we went out, we can this, We did other things

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Speaker 3: because we didn't want our beloved teachers to be laid on.

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Speaker 3: And when I saw them talk about how the student

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Speaker 3: sudents were canvassing for me, I just remembered mister Munson

592
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Speaker 3: and how what the effect of mister Munson at on

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Speaker 3: my life and on the dozens of us that were

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Speaker 3: out there canvassing for him and or to try to

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Speaker 3: save his job. And that's the effect that, in some

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00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: ways teachers have on us as we're growing up. The

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00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: sense that Tim Walls was both the coach of the

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Speaker 3: football team as well as the coach of the Gay

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Speaker 3: Straight Alliance, The sense that teachers become our sounding boards.

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Speaker 3: They create a safe and welcoming environment so that kids

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Speaker 3: can be who they are and so that kids can thrive.

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Speaker 3: There's no linear direct relationship between you know, page and thriving.

603
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: We all go through lots of different bumps in the road.

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Speaker 3: And so teachers like when and like Tim and you know,

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00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: and high school, not just high school teachers, teachers throughout

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Speaker 3: there's a sense of how you help not only mold minds,

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Speaker 3: but how you nurture kids. And I love when he says,

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Speaker 3: you know, if I could do the lunch room, then

609
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: I can deal with the Senate. And he's absolutely right,

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Speaker 3: because think about it, how to manage I mean, in

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Speaker 3: a lunch room, by the way, claireboardon high school, you're

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Speaker 3: managing one hundred and fifty to two hundred kids. At

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Speaker 3: the same time, in a classroom you're managing fifteen to

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Speaker 3: thirty kids. So the fact that he wears his being

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Speaker 3: a teacher so proudly, what it's done throughout the country

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Speaker 3: is it's two things. It has. I've seen teachers just

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Speaker 3: sit up stronger and higher and more solemnly and say,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm proud to be a teacher. And what

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Speaker 3: I'm also saying is that this parent teacher connection, which

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Speaker 3: is absolutely critical with the team that has to be

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Speaker 3: there for kids, it's getting closer again because it says

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Speaker 3: this is valuable and valiant work. And that's what both

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Speaker 3: Tim and Gwen bring to this ticket that that kind

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Speaker 3: of or the caring professions, the ways in which we

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Speaker 3: nurture children, that's on the ticket that sends a message

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Speaker 3: to Americans that nurturing the next generation, looking at the

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Speaker 3: future is really important to this.

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Speaker 1: Ticket, so important, and thank you so much. I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll come back soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, marth.

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how

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Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five would be for America's future. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we have just released the final episode of this five

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Speaker 1: I would love you to just talk us through this

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Speaker 1: last bunch of primaries. I would love you to just

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Speaker 1: give a two second because a lot of people know

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Speaker 1: who you are and love you. Some people don't. Just

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Speaker 1: two second state of what your organization does and then

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Speaker 1: tell us how you guys did in that last batch

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Speaker 1: of primaries or in the whole primary season.

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Speaker 9: Run for Something recruits and supports young, diverse leaders running.

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Speaker 1: For local office.

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Speaker 9: We work exclusively with millennials and gen zs running for

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Speaker 9: things like state house, state senate, city council, school board,

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Speaker 9: library board, and that kind of stuff. And it's worth naming.

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Speaker 9: There actually are a few more primaries this week. People

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Speaker 9: keep forgetting this, but we've got Rhode Island, Delaware and

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Speaker 9: actually run for something because a few special elections and

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Speaker 9: new I'm sure coming up on the tenth. So along

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Speaker 9: with being debate day, it is as every Tuesday is

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Speaker 9: election day, which is really exciting.

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Speaker 1: Wait are those primaries or are they special elections?

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Speaker 9: They are primaries. We've got primary folks, in particular the

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Speaker 9: Rhode Island State Legislature, and then Delaware has primaries. That's

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Speaker 9: how we're going to get our first trans member of

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Speaker 9: Congress or likely transmember of Congress and run for Something

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Speaker 9: Alongsiah McBride.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, tell us how the primaries have gone.

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Speaker 1: And also I'm hoping you could talk to us about

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Speaker 1: the school board.

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Speaker 9: Yes, so our primary season has been incredible. You know,

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Speaker 9: Run for Something does endorsements both before and after primaries

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Speaker 9: this year at any given point, so it's hard to

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Speaker 9: say exactly what our win number has been over the

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Speaker 9: course of the year, but we still have more than

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Speaker 9: four hundred candidates who are going to be on the

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Speaker 9: ballot this fall out of more than five hundred we've

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Speaker 9: been working with over the course of the cycle, which

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Speaker 9: is so exciting. We've also already had about six percent

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Speaker 9: of our folks just be done. Like a thirty two

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Speaker 9: people are elected. They have won their election. There you

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Speaker 9: take office. I'm particularly pumped about some of the primaries

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Speaker 9: we had in Florida earlier this summer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, will you talk to us about that, because Florida

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Speaker 1: had a lot of Ron Desanta's school board candidates.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's exactly.

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Speaker 9: Right, and I think it was a big moment to

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Speaker 9: really hammer home one They're not going anywhere, but two.

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Speaker 9: They're not winning anywhere either. So Run for Something had

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Speaker 9: eleven school board candidates on the ballot in Florida. Ron

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Speaker 9: de Santas some Moms for Liberty had about twenty three.

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Speaker 9: Seven of our eleven either outright one or moving on

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Speaker 9: to the general election, because in Florida, if you don't

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Speaker 9: get fifty percent in these nonpartisan primaries, you move on

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Speaker 9: to the general and then it's a runoff. Ron de Santas,

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Speaker 9: I believe only six of them won outright and maybe

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Speaker 9: a couple more six five or six more are moving

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Speaker 9: onto the runoff for the general election. That is not great.

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Speaker 9: That is barely a fifty percent win rate. That's like

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Speaker 9: the equivalent of flip and a coin a bunch of times.

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Speaker 9: And Run for Something in particular, had some of these

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Speaker 9: candidates meet Moms for liber folks really meaningfully, especially down

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Speaker 9: in Sarasota where we had Liz Barker take on and

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Speaker 9: beat a Moms for Liberty candidate in a place that

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Speaker 9: they've been calling the Home for the mag American Dream

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Speaker 9: terrifying name, and it's really indicative of the fact that

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Speaker 9: when voters are given a choice, which they're not always

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Speaker 9: I think this is something we've talked about over the

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Speaker 9: years that you and I've been doing these conversations. We

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Speaker 9: don't always fight for these offices because it's not where

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Speaker 9: the Democratic Party has historically invested a ton of ton

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Speaker 9: kind of resources. But when we do, you know, as

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Speaker 9: Kamala says, when we fight, we win, and when we

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Speaker 9: run for office in these places.

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Speaker 3: We can win.

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Speaker 9: We're seeing that in Florida and we're going to see

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Speaker 9: it elsewhere across the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you to talk about So it seems

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Speaker 1: to me, and again this is you are way more

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Speaker 1: read in on these local school board races, especially in Florida.

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Speaker 1: Let me rephrase this. You know what you're talking about

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Speaker 1: and I don't in this topic. But it seems to

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Speaker 1: me from what I understand that the candidates don't the

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Speaker 1: Moms for Liberty candidates, the Disantis candidates, these school board

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Speaker 1: candidates don't do well in h normal districts. They only

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Speaker 1: really do well in like bright Red Maga districts.

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Speaker 9: And even in those, they're not as universally loved as

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Speaker 9: you might expect. I mean, Sarasota, for example, is a

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Speaker 9: pretty Republican area. Yeah, but they weren't able to win

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Speaker 9: you know, Republican candidates in in Indian River County and Florida,

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Speaker 9: Republicans have a two to one advantage, but the two

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Speaker 9: school board candidates that were backed by disandas and Moms

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Speaker 9: Liberty fell pretty far short.

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Speaker 3: They only won maybe I think a ten percent of

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Speaker 3: the county's precincts.

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Speaker 9: Last I recall, these are not what Republican voters generally want.

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Speaker 9: They want sane functioning school boards and governments. You know,

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Speaker 9: the Moms for Liberty extremists who are talking about you know,

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Speaker 9: teachers performing gender transitsert schools and banning books like that

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Speaker 9: is such a waste of time and I think something

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Speaker 9: that they're Run for Something. Candidates and other incredible organizations

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Speaker 9: on the ground have been pushing We're not asking for

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Speaker 9: extreme things. We're asking for sanity. We're asking to make

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Speaker 9: boring again, and that the candidates who can really connect

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Speaker 9: on that are able to win.

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Speaker 1: I mean, does Run for Something have candidates in some

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Speaker 1: of these very red districts.

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Speaker 3: We absolutely do.

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Speaker 9: You know, we are going to have candidates in November

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Speaker 9: on this ballet, and I think forty eight different states,

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Speaker 9: basically everywhere that there is a state or local election

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Speaker 9: we're only missing a couple That includes in deep red

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Speaker 9: areas in Mississippi, in Nebraska, in rural Georgia, in Utah,

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Speaker 9: in Idaho, in Oklahoma, as well as of course dozens

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Speaker 9: and dozens of folks running in the core battleground states

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Speaker 9: who will hopefully gin up turnout for the top of

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Speaker 9: the ticket. You know, our candidates in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona,

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Speaker 9: North Carolina, and Georgia, as well as, of course are

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Speaker 9: some of our candidates in Nebraska who can help make

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Speaker 9: sure that we win thattical electoral College vote.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: All of them are.

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Speaker 9: Going to spur turnout for the top of the ticket

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Speaker 9: in a way that I think is completely meaningful, especially

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Speaker 9: knowing that the Commonlay campaign you had to get a

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Speaker 9: little bit of a late start with some of this

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Speaker 9: volunteer enthusiasm, whereas our folks have been knocking doors in

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Speaker 9: some cases for over a year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to me about this idea. I truly believe

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Speaker 1: you're the first person to have talked about this, but

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Speaker 1: maybe not that running people at the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: ballot help the top of the ticket.

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Speaker 9: Reverse courte tales is definitely an older idea than us

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Speaker 9: but we were the first one say thing, to really

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Speaker 9: popularize it in the last couple of years, and especially

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Speaker 9: to implement it as a strategy. At least the first

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Speaker 9: one's on the left, and I think that's worth naming

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Speaker 9: because the right has one hundred percent been using reverse codetails.

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Speaker 9: So reverse coat tales is the idea that when you

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Speaker 9: can test local elections and when you have candidates on

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Speaker 9: the ballot who are knocking doors talking to voters about

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Speaker 9: the issues they care about in a hyper local way,

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Speaker 9: it can increase turnout for the top of the ticket

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Speaker 9: anywhere from point four to two point three percent, especially

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Speaker 9: compared to a district where the Republican candidate ran unopposed.

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Speaker 9: That margin of victory can make up the difference in

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Speaker 9: a state like Georgia, in Wisconsin, in Nevada, all over

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Speaker 9: the country. This can really be the difference maker because

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Speaker 9: we know, even with all this enthusiasm, it is going

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Speaker 9: to be, unfortunately and infuriatingly, a very close election. So

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Speaker 9: these local candidates who've been knocking doors talking to voters,

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Speaker 9: they're the ones who are going to make sure that

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Speaker 9: we're not leaving any door unknocked, that we are leaving

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Speaker 9: every voter and giving every voter an invitation to show

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Speaker 9: up this fall.

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about candidates that people don't know

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Speaker 1: about that we should know about.

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Speaker 9: Oh I could do this for hours. I'm excited about

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Speaker 9: folks like Christina Hines, who is running from a Come

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Speaker 9: County prosecutor in Michigan. She's a community advocate, a lawyer,

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Speaker 9: a parent who's running against a Republican incumbent who is

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Speaker 9: aggressively anti abortion and also has a long history of

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Speaker 9: ethics allegations against him, sexual harassment, and sold allegations against him.

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Speaker 9: And she been knocking doors and talking to voters in

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Speaker 9: a really powerful way. I'm really excited about Alie Phillips

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Speaker 9: down in Tennessee, who's running for state House, really making

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Speaker 9: the case that her personal experience needing to leave the

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Speaker 9: state to get the abortion care she needed is what

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Speaker 9: helped her decide to run to take office. I'm excited

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Speaker 9: about Anna Thomas down in Pennsylvanians running in a very

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Speaker 9: competitive state house race. She has been an incredible candidate,

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Speaker 9: knocking doors and making her way through this cycle in

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Speaker 9: a way that will really, I think, move the needle

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Speaker 9: for the top of the ticket there. I had my

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Speaker 9: doubt Florida who's running for Allison. She used to be

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Speaker 9: at an escort for people seeking abortion care and a

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Speaker 9: great race there and was ready to be an advocate

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Speaker 9: for victims of sexual assault in the state legislative chamber

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Speaker 9: if she gets to.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us about some of your success stories

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Speaker 1: and sort of how their candidacy has made a difference.

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Speaker 1: Just explain to us a little bit about like one

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Speaker 1: or two people like that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So one of my favorite examples here in twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty three. Most recently we worked where we recruited again

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Speaker 9: named Justin Douglas to run for Dolphin County Commission. Justin

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Speaker 9: was a former pastor.

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Speaker 1: Where's Dolphin.

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Speaker 10: It's like Harrisburg, It's around Harrisbony And he was running

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Speaker 10: in part because when we were reaching out to find

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Speaker 10: people to run for this position, which does things like

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Speaker 10: oversee election administration, you know, control the county.

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Speaker 9: Jail system, he was like pretty wary at first. He

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Speaker 9: wasn't sure he was the right person. But as we

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Speaker 9: kept talking to him, we really encouraged him. No, you

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Speaker 9: like deeply care about the members of her community. He

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Speaker 9: was actually fired for being pastor of his church because

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Speaker 9: he was too welcoming to LGBTQ congregants. Gives you a

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Speaker 9: sense to the kind of person he is. He ran

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Speaker 9: this incredible campaign. He was outspent I think close to

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Speaker 9: ten to one. He knocked thousands and thousands of doors.

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Speaker 9: He really hammered home both the issues around democracy which

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Speaker 9: the County Commission had done. He had really dragged their feet

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Speaker 9: on things like ballat drop boxes. At some point, some

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Speaker 9: of them were accused of like harvesting things.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 9: It was one of those types of counties, and in

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Speaker 9: particular in the county jail system, a number of inmates

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Speaker 9: had died under the care of the jail system imparted

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Speaker 9: you to neglect. So justin on this really strong campaign

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Speaker 9: whose outspend ten to one and knocked tens of thousands

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Speaker 9: of doors, and on election night he ended up winning,

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Speaker 9: but I think the final margin was maybe about one

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Speaker 9: hundred and fifty votes. His victory flipped control of the

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Speaker 9: County Commission for the first time in over one hundred years.

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Speaker 9: And one of the first things he did when he

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Speaker 9: took office was one begin to hold people accountable for

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Speaker 9: what was going on in the jail system, but two

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Speaker 9: expanded the number of dropboxes available for people to drop

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Speaker 9: off their ballots, and expanded the number of languages that

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Speaker 9: ballots were available in. And when I think about what

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Speaker 9: the importance of a state like Pennsylvania will be for Kamala,

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Speaker 9: this here having Justin and Democrats in control of a

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Speaker 9: county commission that is willing to make it more available

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Speaker 9: for people to cast their ballots. You know, if maybe

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Speaker 9: a couple hundred or a thousand people vote in Dauphin

872
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Speaker 9: County who weren't able to vote before, maybe didn't have

873
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Speaker 9: as much accessibility to the polls before, that could be

874
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Speaker 9: the margin of victory We're going to win in Pennsylvania

875
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Speaker 9: this year is because people like Justin Douglas won last year.

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Speaker 1: So important and interesting, I mean, and I think that

877
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Speaker 1: really is the sense where if you elect someone that

878
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Speaker 1: there really are huge consequences to these little races, right.

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Speaker 9: That's the whole idea that you know, the way to

880
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Speaker 9: win the big elections is to win the small ones

881
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 9: over and over and over again. You know, I'm thinking

882
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 9: as well about the white folks who've worked with in Arizona.

883
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Speaker 9: You know, Gabriela Cassares Kelly, who's the Pima county recorder.

884
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 9: We helped her elect her in twenty eighteen, she became

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Speaker 9: one of the first Indigenous women elected county wide in

886
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Speaker 9: the state. She's an incredible election administrator and one of

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Speaker 9: the things that she fought for over the last couple

888
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Speaker 9: of years and when she was re elected in twenty

889
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Speaker 9: twenty two, has continued to do is make it easier

890
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Speaker 9: for people living on the reservations to cast their bats.

891
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 9: Before they had to go two or three hours drive

892
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Speaker 9: away to vote early. She changed that and that again

893
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Speaker 9: could be the margin of victory both for Cola but

894
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Speaker 9: also for people like Reuben Diego running statewide.

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Speaker 1: Right. And also you'll remember that like in twenty twenty,

896
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: Native people were really you know, they got Democrats over

897
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Speaker 1: the finish line in a bunch of states.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely right. And I think she in particular really embodies

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Speaker 9: the thing that we have kept talking about over the years,

900
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Speaker 9: which is that her lived experience as a woman who

901
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 9: grew up on the reservation as an Indigenous person, you know,

902
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Speaker 9: it shapes the way that she governs and shapes the

903
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Speaker 9: way that she leads. I means she's fighting for a

904
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Speaker 9: community maybe hasn't had a voice for them in power

905
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Speaker 9: it is so meaningful, and she's like, she's just an

906
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Speaker 9: incredible leader.

907
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Speaker 2: I love her.

908
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Speaker 9: I think she's really fun. She's these cool stickers where

909
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 9: she's like riding on a scooter. Anyway, she's great, and

910
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Speaker 9: I think it's doing an incredible job to expand access

911
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Speaker 9: to the polls.

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Speaker 1: As we talk about this, one of the candidates, you know,

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Speaker 1: we have the first Native woman governor if Tim Walls

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Speaker 1: gets elected.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 9: Peggy Flanagan out in Minnesota, I think really embodies what

917
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Speaker 9: we've been talking about, you know, generally, which is that

918
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Speaker 9: you build the bench both because it matters today, because

919
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Speaker 9: great leaders need to take office in these local positions.

920
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Speaker 9: Peggy Flannagan got her starter on the Minneapolis school board,

921
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Speaker 9: which she was maybe twenty four to twenty five years

922
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Speaker 9: old fifteen twenty years ago, and now she could be

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Speaker 9: the next governor of Minnesota, the first Indigenous woman governor.

924
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Speaker 9: You build a bench for moments like this where they

925
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Speaker 9: can really rise and be transformative leaders.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing with Tim Walls that teachers make really good candidates.

927
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Speaker 1: We have these very hot school board races. You know,

928
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Speaker 1: education has become a central conservative fight. You know, this

929
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Speaker 1: is sort of their Passion Project right now. Are you

930
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Speaker 1: seeing a lot of teachers in the mix here and

931
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Speaker 1: also are you still recruiting candidates and talk to us

932
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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so rounder something has worked on this year with

934
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Speaker 9: a couple dozen teachers. We've always work with teachers. There are

935
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Speaker 9: some of our favorite candidates. I'm really excited about Max

936
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Speaker 9: Tuckman down in Miami Dade, who's running for a school

937
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Speaker 9: board there. I'm really excited about No One Knowstrom, who's

938
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Speaker 9: a Spanish language teacher in Tennessee who's running for a

939
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Speaker 9: state house. I'm really pumped about Camilla Bywaters, who's running

940
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Speaker 9: against a mom's for a liberty candidate for school board

941
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Speaker 9: in Nevada. I think it's Clark County. She's amazing. Selina

942
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Speaker 9: LaRue Hatch, she's a member of the Nevada State Legislature.

943
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Speaker 9: We've been working with for a while and we're working

944
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Speaker 9: with her in her re election. She's one of the

945
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Speaker 9: top targets for the Republican governor to kick out of office.

946
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Speaker 9: She's an former educator herself. I think former teachers, especially

947
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Speaker 9: in these positions that directly oversee elections or that oversee

948
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Speaker 9: the education system, like Kristen Christensen in Nebraska running for

949
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Speaker 9: state Board of Education. They are most connected to the community.

950
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Speaker 9: They know the parents, they know the kids, they know

951
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Speaker 9: their neighbors, they know the problems, and they also know

952
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Speaker 9: the solutions and they've lived the impact of government. And

953
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Speaker 9: you see that now with Governor Tim Walls on the

954
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Speaker 9: national state. Now they are able to communicate. If you've

955
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Speaker 9: ever had to manage a classroom of thirty screaming eight

956
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Speaker 9: year olds or eighteen year olds, you know how to

957
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 9: deal with a rally or a political opponent or a

958
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 9: crazy Trump Republican like, there's basically the same maturity level.

959
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Speaker 9: So I think that it gives us a sense of

960
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Speaker 9: the kind of quality of Canada. And we are absolutely

961
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Speaker 9: still recruiting folks to run for office. And Ally, I'm

962
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Speaker 9: really glad you asked this because people, I think, and

963
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Speaker 9: then especially on the Democrats, get a little excited amp

964
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Speaker 9: pumped for election day and then forget that there's work

965
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Speaker 9: that happens after. Like the file of lens for some

966
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 9: of these races for twenty twenty five are going to

967
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Speaker 9: come as soon as December and January, so we're already

968
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Speaker 9: talking to candidates we're going to be running next year

969
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Speaker 9: for school boards down in Texas and municipal elections in

970
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Speaker 9: Wisconsin and elsewhere. And is the thing that I really hope,

971
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Speaker 9: especially the Democratic funding universe, doesn't forget and get complacent,

972
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Speaker 9: because the only reason that we are in this moment

973
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Speaker 9: now is because we kept our foot on the gas

974
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Speaker 9: for the last eight years. We cannot let it up now.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping you could talk to me because you

976
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Speaker 1: have been in this race. How Harris has changed the

977
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Speaker 1: calculus of the race.

978
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Speaker 9: If she has, oh, I absolutely she has. I think

979
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Speaker 9: she has given people a sense of energy and excitement

980
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 9: and a vision for what the future can be. We

981
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Speaker 9: often say, you can totally run a campaign on fear.

982
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 9: It's absolutely doable, and I think that's what we sort

983
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 9: of had to do under a Biden at the top

984
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 9: of the ticket. You had to make it about against Trump.

985
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Speaker 9: But a campaign on hope, a campaign on excitement, a

986
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Speaker 9: campaign that is built on what a better future could be.

987
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: Now.

988
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 9: Hope is a non renewable resource. We can sustain itself.

989
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 9: It can keep going and going and going. You joy

990
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 9: can keeping fueled for a much longer period of time

991
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 9: than anger can. And I think the thing that we

992
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 9: have seen nationally. It's also the thing that our local

993
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 9: candidates are experiencing. They're knocking doors and talking to voters

994
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 9: who pay Maybe weren't that excited to go vote this fall,

995
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 9: but we're gonna do it anyway for the school board

996
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 9: race because they knew that was important, and now they're

997
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 9: really excited to vote this fall and also really eager

998
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 9: to vote the full ballot. That is a really big

999
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 9: change and makes those conversations in that canvassing experience much

1000
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Speaker 9: more joyful.

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00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's right and it's super important.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us always.

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Speaker 9: You know, one of my favorite things about going on

1004
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Speaker 9: your show is every time I do, we hear from

1005
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 9: so many folks who say, I never thought about running

1006
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 9: for office before, but kel yes, yes, or i'd never

1007
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 9: wear to run for something, and I want to give

1008
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 9: you some money. So we're for folks who are able

1009
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 9: to go to run for something that net and ship in,

1010
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 9: sign up to run, volunteer, find a candidate. It all

1011
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 9: helps and it's never been more important. So thanks to you,

1012
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 9: and thanks to your entire community.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I definitely think it's one of those places where a

1016
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Speaker 1: little money could make a big difference, and you know,

1017
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: these downballot races are so important and you're just so

1018
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: right and I really appreciate you, so thank you.

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Speaker 9: Thanks Smiley.

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Speaker 1: No More went on Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 5: By Jack So Trump spoke to the Economic Club of

1022
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Speaker 5: New York and they asked them policy questions.

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Speaker 2: How do you think it went?

1024
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Speaker 1: So, I think it's really an important moment here is

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Speaker 1: you really do see why asking specific policy questions is

1026
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Speaker 1: so important and also why following up if a candidate

1027
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Speaker 1: doesn't answer them is even more important. So Donald Trump,

1028
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Speaker 1: and again like the fact that we are so late

1029
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: into this election cycle and that Trump has no policy

1030
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Speaker 1: positions is not abundantly clear to everyone in the world.

1031
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Speaker 1: Is a shanda, as my people say. So they asked

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump how he was going to make childcare more affordable,

1033
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Speaker 1: and he said a word salad, which involved Marco Rubio,

1034
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Speaker 1: Avanka and not much else. So it just is kind

1035
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Speaker 1: of amazing. And there were other things, you know, he

1036
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Speaker 1: said about the economy, why don't we have a wealth fund?

1037
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Speaker 1: Other countries have wealth funds, We have nothing, right, We're

1038
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Speaker 1: going to have a sovereign wealth fund. We're going to

1039
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Speaker 1: put tremendous amounts of money in it. I mean, you know,

1040
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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff shows that he doesn't really

1041
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: understand how the economy works. And this is the guy

1042
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: that a lot of rich people want back in office

1043
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: because he'll give them tax cuts, and he can't understand

1044
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Speaker 1: how any of this works. And he was president already

1045
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Speaker 1: for four years and he still doesn't understand it. So

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Speaker 1: that is our moment of Fuckeray. That's it for this

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Speaker 1: episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, and

1048
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Speaker 1: Friday to hear the best minds in politics makes sense

1049
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Speaker 1: of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what you've heard,

1050
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Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going.

1051
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Speaker 1: And again, thanks for listening.