WEBVTT - The Old Ceiling Is The New Floor with Ari Chambers

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're worried

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<v Speaker 1>all the college basketball conference tournaments this week. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>one pair of eyes? It's Wednesday, March fifth, and on

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<v Speaker 1>today's show, we'll be talking with ESPN and Anscape commentator

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<v Speaker 1>Ari Chambers about the high quality hoops r alma mater,

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<v Speaker 1>NC State is playing, her favorite to win this year's

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<v Speaker 1>NCAA Championship, players who could take leaps in the WNBA

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to their plan unrivaled, and her immense unique impact

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<v Speaker 1>on the women's sports space. It's all coming up right

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<v Speaker 1>after this, joining us now, she's a commentator for ESPN

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<v Speaker 1>and Ascape covering all things women's sports. Back in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>she founded Highlight, her Bleacher reports multi channel portfolio brand

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<v Speaker 1>focused on female athletes and teams, and she created the

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<v Speaker 1>now ubiquitous phrase the WNBA is so important. A former

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<v Speaker 1>Forbes Sports thirty Under thirty and an NC State grad

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<v Speaker 1>still celebrating that big hoops win over Notre Dame, It's

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<v Speaker 1>Ari Chambers what's up Ari?

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<v Speaker 2>How packed first and foremost, Sarah, In case you didn't know,

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<v Speaker 2>Conference champions, regular season, number one seed in ACC tournament,

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<v Speaker 2>we're NC State around these parts as you can see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I figured I should start with that because we

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<v Speaker 1>weren't going to get very far if I didn't ask

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<v Speaker 1>you about that first. So your NC State team has

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<v Speaker 1>this insane win over then number one Notre Dame. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe you were in studio hosting a pregame. Someone told

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<v Speaker 1>you to tuck away your wolf pack because you were

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<v Speaker 1>making it so clear, which, by the way, hilarious phrase.

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<v Speaker 1>Take us back to that, to that game and that upset.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, I was like, why am I

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<v Speaker 2>not in Raleigh? But then I thought about it, It's

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<v Speaker 2>probably best I'm not in Raleigh. As journalists, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to remove ourselves, right, remove our bias. But there's a

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<v Speaker 2>certain sense of pride witnessing what Wes Moore has been

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<v Speaker 2>able to do with this NC State team in the

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<v Speaker 2>past decade that he's been there. I was there at

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<v Speaker 2>the tail end of coach Kyo going into Kelly Harper

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<v Speaker 2>days and so just to see the turnaround of the

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<v Speaker 2>resurgence of North Carolina State has been great to witness.

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<v Speaker 2>But going into the game pregame, talking to Sanaia Rivers,

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<v Speaker 2>she was saying how the energy on campus was great.

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<v Speaker 2>The students were camping out the night before, Coach West

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<v Speaker 2>Moore is obviously up for Coach of the Year, and

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<v Speaker 2>so outside of the basketball of it all, they were

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<v Speaker 2>playing for something much greater. College game day doesn't come

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<v Speaker 2>to NC State very often. It's something that they really

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<v Speaker 2>cherished and they wanted to put on for their team.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of times when we talk about collegiate basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>pro basketball, basketball in general, urg sports in general, it

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<v Speaker 2>goes beyond just the x's and o's and just it

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<v Speaker 2>can be a pride thing, an ego thing, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to protect my court thing, And that's what you saw

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<v Speaker 2>with NC State going into the game. It's backcourt versus backcourt.

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<v Speaker 2>Right it was Olivia Miles, Hannah Heldago, Sonny Sitchron, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you have Ziah Snaya and honestly, Zoe throws at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of Maddie Hayes. So you have those those

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<v Speaker 2>big three versus big three within a quick conference and

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<v Speaker 2>the pace is great. The athletes are great top to bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>But what NC State was able to do is throw

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<v Speaker 2>the first punch. Whenever you have a situation where two

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<v Speaker 2>elite teams, who's said in the tempo, who was really

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<v Speaker 2>getting out throwing that first punch. When I saw I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was Azia Dans that three, I said, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in for a good game. And it was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best games I've seen all year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a nine to zero double overtime run

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<v Speaker 1>from NC State to hold off Notre Dame. They held

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<v Speaker 1>the Irish scoreless for four minutes. This is just one

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<v Speaker 1>of those games. Like you said that, it's about more

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<v Speaker 1>than just the matchup, and it does probably help the

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<v Speaker 1>team to learn that students are camping out and that

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<v Speaker 1>it matters right and watching that in women's sports over

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years, women's hoops in particular, where

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<v Speaker 1>the women's games are as big of a deal on

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<v Speaker 1>campus as the men's, where the lines are out the door.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just such a different atmosphere than what I went

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<v Speaker 1>to college viewing when you probably even went to college.

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<v Speaker 2>See its true.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know a perfect example of that is how

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<v Speaker 1>hype the city of Los Angeles gets every time USC

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<v Speaker 1>and UCLA meet. This is two programs on the rise,

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<v Speaker 1>two programs full of superstars, and the city knows it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we're kind of getting used to celebrities

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<v Speaker 1>sitting front row for women's hoops, whether it's college or pros.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't make it any less cool when we

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<v Speaker 1>see it. Let's talk about USC Ucla. Ucla looked unbeatable

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<v Speaker 1>for such a long stretch. They were sitting at the

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<v Speaker 1>number one spot and USC owns them. Juju Watkins owns them.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of the matchups that you've seen?

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<v Speaker 2>So it was the battle arguably of the national player

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. You have Lauren Betts on UCLA Juju

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<v Speaker 2>Watkins on USC, both very talented players, both very different ways,

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<v Speaker 2>different positions. Lauren Betts draws so much defensive attention in

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<v Speaker 2>the pancas what can you do? Triple teamer and the like,

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<v Speaker 2>hoping the best right, she still had a good scoring night,

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<v Speaker 2>and Kiki Rice really showed up for UCLA. But when

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<v Speaker 2>Juju got out there, I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess it's the cross city rivalry. Juju

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<v Speaker 2>shows up in the biggest way against the crosstown rival

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<v Speaker 2>She just does. And when she shows up in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>she allows other teammates to step up. She shows them

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<v Speaker 2>that hey, we're here, it doesn't matter if it's our

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<v Speaker 2>court or not. Like I'm gonna I'm gonna do what

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<v Speaker 2>I need to do with the ball. I'm gonna open

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<v Speaker 2>it up for you and draw that attention and make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that you get your shots off too, and then

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<v Speaker 2>just set the standard for what USC basketball is. Juju

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<v Speaker 2>was so effective on both ends of the floor it

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<v Speaker 2>was nuts. I remember it was what third quarter when

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<v Speaker 2>she was going up got blocked, Then the next two

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<v Speaker 2>possessions got two blocks. So it's just it's effort on

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<v Speaker 2>both sides of the court. It's having your superstar player

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<v Speaker 2>be a superstar at the right time, and USC clicking

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<v Speaker 2>going into March Madness saying, hey, I feel like we're

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<v Speaker 2>a little underestimated. Even though we've been comfortably in the

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<v Speaker 2>top ten all season, we're still underestimated because we still

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<v Speaker 2>have a bone to pick because we're still beating UCLA, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what I think. I think that Juju on

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<v Speaker 2>both ends doesn't get talked about enough. Like her defensive

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<v Speaker 2>prowess is there. Yes, offensively, she can get a shot

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<v Speaker 2>from every spot on the floor that you could possibly thinks.

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<v Speaker 2>She's soky smooth when she's handling the ball. She can

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<v Speaker 2>drive and get the ball in. She can you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pull from rain, she can get the midi going. But defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you pope them pair, she's swatting your thing.

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<v Speaker 2>She's gonna pick your pockets. And it's exactly what we

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<v Speaker 2>saw with going back to Notre Dame. Hannah Heldago has

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<v Speaker 2>been historically want to do that, but Juju brought that

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<v Speaker 2>against Ucla.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thirty points this last time out. She's put up

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<v Speaker 1>thirty or more in all four games against UCLA, So

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<v Speaker 1>she gets up for those matchups. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the regular season when UCLA was winning games, the

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<v Speaker 1>thought was there are only so many teams that have

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<v Speaker 1>a big that can compete with Lauren Betts and that

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<v Speaker 1>I looked ahead to the tournament and thought, Ucla is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be tough to be because of that size

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<v Speaker 1>and because if you decide to just keep feeding her,

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to step up? But we've seen a couple

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<v Speaker 1>teams figure out how to strategize to slow her down

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<v Speaker 1>and to take out Ucla. When you look at all

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<v Speaker 1>these teams now seasons basically, don't do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do this, team Sarah, keep going, but don't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the real number one in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>The parody is so prominent within the landscape right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not going to cop out. I'm going to answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the number one team right now is different

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<v Speaker 2>from who can perform well in a final four. Right So,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the South Carolinas of the world. They

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<v Speaker 2>are made for that moment. They are made for a

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<v Speaker 2>final four, They're made for a championship game because they're

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<v Speaker 2>accustomed to it. This is one of the winningest classes

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<v Speaker 2>that has come through South Carolina. Don Staley knows how

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<v Speaker 2>to coach in big moments. These players know how to

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<v Speaker 2>play in big moments. I have them as a final fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>not only with what the pieces they have, but the

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<v Speaker 2>experience they have within this type of run. Texas has

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<v Speaker 2>been impressing me. I again, just Maddy Booker worried Harman

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<v Speaker 2>being not injured anymore. Just the pieces that Texas has

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<v Speaker 2>has been strong and they have kind of been flying,

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<v Speaker 2>flying under the radar because you know, they're sharing a

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<v Speaker 2>conference with the usc s and LSU's of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and so South Carolina and Texas are the ones I

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<v Speaker 2>have my eye on and I want to see again.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not your question, Sarah. I'm so sorry for

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<v Speaker 2>doing this. I hate to be this person, but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to see how Notre Dame takes the end of

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<v Speaker 2>what conference was and turns it around for themselves, if

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<v Speaker 2>they can turn it around, because Neil Ivey said, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not a chess piece thing, this is a will

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<v Speaker 2>to win that we have lost within last week, and

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<v Speaker 2>Sony Citron was sitting next to her at that press

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<v Speaker 2>conference disappointed. She said that there's only so much you

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<v Speaker 2>can do if you don't have the will to win again.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to get back to their defensive identity. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Hannah heldago, when you are offensively that strong and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't see your shots dropping, you get frustrated. But

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<v Speaker 2>that frustration is felt within your entire roster. So how

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<v Speaker 2>can you harness that and have the maturity to go

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<v Speaker 2>through a postseason when the end of the conference did

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily go your way? And so that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to in March, Madness. But to answer your question,

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<v Speaker 2>I would not put money against South Carolina, especially with

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<v Speaker 2>the senior class that it's going through. I have them

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<v Speaker 2>in a championship game. I want to see Connecticut and

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<v Speaker 2>their big three. Is there going to be justice for Paige?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is exactly what you want in page Az

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<v Speaker 2>and Sarah when they're all healthy, they're one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most dominant three headed monsters that exist in college basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an unfair question.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like you didn't answer at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you didn't answer, but it was unfair. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so much parity. But also to your point about shots,

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<v Speaker 1>there are players that if they get hot, that team

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<v Speaker 1>will not lose, and that same exact team could lose

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<v Speaker 1>by twenty if someone's Jay is off because there's that

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<v Speaker 1>much talent out there and they're and and great coaching, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about elite level coaching to strategize against the

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<v Speaker 1>different strengths. And I'm more confused heading into this tournament

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<v Speaker 1>than I've ever been in terms of trying to try

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<v Speaker 1>to make picks. It's going to be it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be really difficult. I love chaos, though, I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>chaos is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that chaos is great. I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>brackets I mean, is they're a brocketbuster.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I feel like on the men's side,

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<v Speaker 1>I like chaos because I don't care about any of them,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm like, this is fun. On the women's side,

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<v Speaker 1>I invested in some of these players get getting their due,

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<v Speaker 1>getting far enough for people to recognize how great they are,

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<v Speaker 1>getting the benefit of what it means to go deep

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<v Speaker 1>in a tournament and how fans start to recognize you

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<v Speaker 1>and know you, and it helps with your sponsorships, and

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<v Speaker 1>it helps with your you know how you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>succeed at the pros. So it's harder for me in

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<v Speaker 1>the women's game to embrace chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, but how do you choose which one, Sarah?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you choose like this one? This one? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I turn into one of those. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>everybody has fun people. It's a real problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Go for.

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<v Speaker 1>Go sports, right, Are there players you think we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about enough this season?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean we have the Tonay laps into the world,

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<v Speaker 2>who has been.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been leading the league in scoring nuts right all

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<v Speaker 1>season long. But her team isn't the one we talk about, ye.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though they're like the top twenty five, which is

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<v Speaker 2>confusing itself. Why we don't talk about anyways, but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to shine light on somebody that transferred from NC

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<v Speaker 2>State and took it upon herself to go to an HBCU,

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<v Speaker 2>Diamond Johnson, and let's just talk about Norfolk State in general.

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<v Speaker 2>They have twenty six straight home wins and that leads

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<v Speaker 2>D one basketball. We don't talk about that. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>longest ACTIVITY one home winning streak and the third consecutive

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<v Speaker 2>season with twenty five wins, and so just that that

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<v Speaker 2>excellence alone, and this is Diamond has transferred. She has

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<v Speaker 2>really been an impact player on that program. She's the

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<v Speaker 2>only active D one player with more than two thousand points,

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred rebounds, three hundred niney assist and three hundred steals.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's stacking the stat sheet. She's so impactful for

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<v Speaker 2>that Norfolk State team and just being able to have

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<v Speaker 2>a homecoming of sorts, right going to an HBCU, going

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<v Speaker 2>where you feel like you're appreciated in producing the results

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<v Speaker 2>you have. We don't talk about Diamond Johnson enough. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's just the landscape of women's basketball, not only having Perry. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't have your attention everywhere, but I really implore

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<v Speaker 2>people to pay attention to HBCU sports more years ago

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<v Speaker 2>we had somebody who was averaging a quadruple double, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we have we have like the Angel Jackson's of the

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<v Speaker 2>world who are playing in Athletes Unlimited. So there are

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<v Speaker 2>players that come from that just have such rich history.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was in college, Hampton was running things. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just implore people to check out HBCUs a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more. Diamond Johnson is killing it well.

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<v Speaker 1>There are going to be a lot of teams and

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<v Speaker 1>players to check out and get familiar with ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the tournament because it's going to be absolutely wild. We

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<v Speaker 1>had to take a quick break. When we come back

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<v Speaker 1>more with Ari Chambers, let's talk about unrivaled because you've

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<v Speaker 1>done some drop ins down in Miami or else we

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<v Speaker 1>call it Tampa Bay, and you've checked in on this.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your biggest takeaway so far from this first season,

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<v Speaker 1>this first iteration of this thing. We didn't quite know

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<v Speaker 1>what to expect from before it started.

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<v Speaker 2>My biggest takeaway is people are enthusiastic to invest in

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<v Speaker 2>women's sports. They created this league rapidly, like the most

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<v Speaker 2>expeditioned way, but got buy in from so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>And that shout out to Kirby Porter, Chloe Pablick, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>Stewie and Fee, but just the out to this out

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who were really behind this and ideated what

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<v Speaker 2>it could be and listen to the players as they

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<v Speaker 2>signed on, we want this. Everything that the players request

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<v Speaker 2>from the front office of Unrivaled, it gets done. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it's instead of a oh, we can't do this,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh, we got you. And so that's the

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<v Speaker 2>whole theme of Unrivaled. I'm excited about the player buy

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<v Speaker 2>in initially from it. I'm excited about the intrigue that

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<v Speaker 2>the audience has. They're really curious about what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Three three on three is not going to be everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>cup of tea. That's just the truth of the matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's and it's a very different format than FOBA three

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<v Speaker 2>x three and so that's an adjustment. That's what I

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<v Speaker 2>had to adjust to because it's a modified full court

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just a very different style of play than

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<v Speaker 2>what you would see at the Olympic years or FOBA.

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<v Speaker 2>So just generally players are satisfied because they see their

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<v Speaker 2>needs being met. It's a it's a great way to

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<v Speaker 2>stay stateside during the off season and a great way

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<v Speaker 2>to develop around other stars players so that you can

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<v Speaker 2>keep your skill set refined and honestly more attention and detail.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to three on three in the way

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing it, there's no room for help. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>full court situation, so you have to mock in defensively.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have to be in shape enough to run

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth like that. And unfortunately, because of the

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<v Speaker 2>structure of the game, some players have faced injuries so

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting back. But like just in general, it keeps

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<v Speaker 2>you in shape off season. The level competition is high,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to sharpen your skills in order to produce.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the camaraderie within the teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you talk about sharpening the skills. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there are players who are going to get back to

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<v Speaker 1>the w significantly improved as a result of having this

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to be extremely focused on specific skill sets that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't as important in the five on five game and

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<v Speaker 1>or that are harder to concentrate on when you're still

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<v Speaker 1>working on you know, going out to a foreign country,

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<v Speaker 1>learning how to communicate, learning how to work with a

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<v Speaker 1>whole new team, all this other stuff like this is

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<v Speaker 1>a very constant rated opportunity, and I wonder if there's

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<v Speaker 1>players that you think specifically you're going to notice a

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<v Speaker 1>difference because of the work and the improvement that they

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<v Speaker 1>did at Unrivaled.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Ray Burrell and Aliah Edwards both really stick

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<v Speaker 2>out to me in that way. And it's just with

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Burrell. She has faced injuries in her first few

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<v Speaker 2>years of like her last years of college, early years

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<v Speaker 2>of pro and so getting the reps on court and

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<v Speaker 2>in showcasing what you can do is great. Aliah Edwards,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a Canadian Olympian if anything. Returning to the Mystics,

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<v Speaker 2>she has a whole new fan base from her performances

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<v Speaker 2>at Unrivaled. You have a Chelsea Gray who people did

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<v Speaker 2>not recognize as the Point God, which is confusing in

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<v Speaker 2>his own right. I employ everybody to look up their history.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's back in full swing because she's been reading

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<v Speaker 2>what we've been saying online by we and min y'all,

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't forget right. So like the Point God's

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<v Speaker 2>back in full form, being able to find her teammates

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<v Speaker 2>and just showing why she's the Point God. Skyler digg

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<v Speaker 2>and Smith is another one. If anything, it just reminded

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<v Speaker 2>us how she's a dog and she Skyler has such

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<v Speaker 2>a way she just does not like to lose, and

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<v Speaker 2>every possession she's locked in, every single like, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>if it's good, bad, or ugly or pretty, she is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be just as focused possession out the possession,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a big factor of why the Lunar Owls

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<v Speaker 2>are in the position that they're in. But she's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring that into the league and you see the

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<v Speaker 2>expectation of excellence that can be within the WNBA because

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<v Speaker 2>of the competition displayed at unrivaled.

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<v Speaker 1>Angel Reese is also an interesting one to watch because

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<v Speaker 1>she's been working with Lisa Leslie. There in the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>that they did where Lisa was just like flat out

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't like how you shoot your layups, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to work on that and you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get better. I think she clearly already has such a

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<v Speaker 1>huge bag, but she's going to be able to refine

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<v Speaker 1>that there.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for bringing her up, because you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>look at Angel, she has everything and I'm so proud

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<v Speaker 2>of her. And then I'm even more proud of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that she wants to get better basketball wise, because

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<v Speaker 2>Angel is making a concerted effort to sharpen those skills,

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<v Speaker 2>like we were saying, and to recognize the Vets. Angel

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<v Speaker 2>has always been like this. Angel has always gone up

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<v Speaker 2>to Vets after games or during downtime saying, how can

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<v Speaker 2>I get better? And to learn from the Lisa Leslie herself,

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<v Speaker 2>to learn from the trainers that are made available at

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<v Speaker 2>Unrivaled so that you can prove yourself right. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think Angel cares about the noise around her. Is just to

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<v Speaker 2>prove herself right and to get sharper so that she

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<v Speaker 2>can continue to solidify herself as a solid player within

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<v Speaker 2>the league, not just businesswoman, but a solid athlete within

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<v Speaker 2>this league. Is a great thing, and you can only

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<v Speaker 2>benefit from Angel Reese playing better basketball, and she is

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<v Speaker 2>playing better basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to see her come back to this guy

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<v Speaker 1>and see what she's working with, especially with a veteran

0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.199
<v Speaker 1>point guarden Courtney van der Slute. Watching her play an

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<v Speaker 1>Unrivaled with someone that knows how to work with her

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<v Speaker 1>and get the best out of her has been really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm excited for that. Are there players who have

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<v Speaker 1>surprised you in this format? Obviously the one v one

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<v Speaker 1>showed us a whole lot of bigs with more handles

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<v Speaker 1>than we expected, more endurance than we expected. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, like obviously the size was going to help

0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.439
<v Speaker 1>them defensively and in terms of covering court space. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised at how fit the bigs are and

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<v Speaker 1>how difficult they made it on some of these littles

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<v Speaker 1>with great handles that couldn't get a single shot off

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<v Speaker 1>or couldn't get it going. And I wonder if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>surprised you the same way, or if you think they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to go back to their teams and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little bit clear that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>make some space for them on the win to get

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<v Speaker 1>to get it done.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so I think it's all of that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that I couldn't confidently say that they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to do that at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>the season. I think the unrivaled has whipped them in

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<v Speaker 2>a shape, okay, and like you're going with the mentality

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<v Speaker 2>of like what you're used to in five on five,

0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.480
<v Speaker 2>but then you've been playing three on three and knowing

0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.480
<v Speaker 2>that you have to get your fitness there, and so

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<v Speaker 2>when it came time for one on one, they were

0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.679
<v Speaker 2>they were ready to do it. I'm really pleasantly surprised

0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.240
<v Speaker 2>with I'm gonna say, Brittany Grinder. I know that she's

0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna take some of the questionable shots from the three

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<v Speaker 2>point are you know why not because it is unrivaled.

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<v Speaker 2>But as far as shape and just really being able

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to move, I'm proud of her for I

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<v Speaker 2>see a week over a week improvement with that. Nefisa,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's just nuts. I anticipated her business. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I anticipated that like this. This is not a

0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.600
<v Speaker 2>shock to Mefisa. It's your she founded the league. She's

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<v Speaker 2>coming off of the finals where she doesn't like the

0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.840
<v Speaker 2>results of it, and she has a chance to showcase

0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:48.840
<v Speaker 2>her her talents on a very microscopic level, like you

0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:50.960
<v Speaker 2>can hone in on these players in a way that

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:57.320
<v Speaker 2>you can't macroscopic. Bag ye period Sonfisa is the one

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm like, oh, you wanted to prove to people

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<v Speaker 2>you are who you say you are, and she done that.

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<v Speaker 1>And she is, Yeah, what do you think other leagues

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<v Speaker 1>could learn other than to your point? I obviously the

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 1>investment is there. They also benefit a ton from You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to pay for travel, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for hotels you don't have to pay for, you know,

0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.720
<v Speaker 1>facility space for each team, all that other stuff they've

0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:19.520
<v Speaker 1>they've made the most out of figuring out how to

0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.520
<v Speaker 1>create this home base that lets them spend on the

0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.840
<v Speaker 1>other things that players want outside of maybe investment. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think other leagues in women's sports or otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>could learn from Unrivaled?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to touch on what you just said

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<v Speaker 2>about them not having to do all these extra things.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my frustration with the general public when Unrivaled

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<v Speaker 2>first got announced of like, hey, w NBA needs to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. I'm like, you don't realize what the WNBA.

0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.720
<v Speaker 2>It's a team by team basis. These are team decisions.

0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.960
<v Speaker 2>They have to travel, they're not all one location. It's

0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:55.760
<v Speaker 2>a league that started in ninety seven, so the novelty

0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.399
<v Speaker 2>of it is not going to be the same. But

0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.800
<v Speaker 2>what can learn is that once you get player buy in,

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<v Speaker 2>you can create whatever content you want. What I love

0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 2>about Unrivaled is that marketing wise, they really make a

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.040
<v Speaker 2>concerted effort to do the full team, even though they

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<v Speaker 2>do only have six on their team, a full team

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<v Speaker 2>showcase of personalities and storytelling. They ask they let the

0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 2>athletes do the trends that they want, which again can

0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.600
<v Speaker 2>be a conflict when it comes league side or team

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.879
<v Speaker 2>side on the w n B a perspective because of

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:37.040
<v Speaker 2>commercial use music, it's a whole different thing, but just

0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.879
<v Speaker 2>in general, the marketing just showcasing the full scope of

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:44.120
<v Speaker 2>players social media being a little looser with that network

0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 2>deal negotiations, and I understand that's a very unique perspective

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:52.080
<v Speaker 2>with negotiating with WBD with that, but they really lucked out,

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.439
<v Speaker 2>and it's a great luckout, if you can call it that,

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<v Speaker 2>because they were paid what their work. And I think.

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<v Speaker 1>There's discovery for those who are unfamiliar with all talk.

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<v Speaker 2>But just making sure that going for the leagues that

0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.040
<v Speaker 2>are to come are the leagues that are existing. Knowing

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 2>that women's sports valuation is up high, knowing that you

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 2>can sell this merch you can market them well. You can.

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>You can really lean into your player personalities, you can

0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:25.520
<v Speaker 2>hype it up. Hype it up. If nothing else, HiPE

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:27.720
<v Speaker 2>it up so you can make it appealing to the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think their creativity was off the charts and

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the way that they introduced each player or each team,

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>all that was huge. But your content point is a

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 1>massive one. It's something I talked to fee about when

0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 1>she was on the show, which is if you get

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the players to believe in what you're doing and think

0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.200
<v Speaker 1>you're doing it in a way that's good, they are

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 1>more willing to give you their time and effort. And

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you see the way that they are having fun creating

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.680
<v Speaker 1>content for the GRAM for the different team sites. It

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:57.280
<v Speaker 1>feels different than in a lot of w spaces, and

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.200
<v Speaker 1>again there is more freedom, there is a different there's

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:05.120
<v Speaker 1>different rules, there's different sponsors, etc. But I think sometimes

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>when there's less of a connection between ownership and players,

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 1>there is less of a buying from the players to

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 1>do whatever it takes to help build. And in this case,

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>they have equity and they understand that the growth of

0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Unrivaled is the growth of their piggy banks as well,

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 1>so they feel very connected to those efforts. And you know,

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 1>having been an owner of the Red Stars, I struggled

0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>sometimes with wanting the players to get more involved in

0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.560
<v Speaker 1>helping their own cause. But I also understood that demanding

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 1>of players without extra money for their time and effort

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>is hard to do if they're not bought in on

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:39.920
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. At the top and who you are

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>at the top, and so it's an interesting question. Yeah,

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 1>it's been interesting to watch Unrivaled and how in sync

0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.640
<v Speaker 1>every piece of it feels from top to bottom, which

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 1>is what happens when you've got players running the show

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and players who know what other players want.

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what that looks like for the WNBA, though,

0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like when you get back to your team, if individual

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 2>games can re strategize how to do content with them,

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.199
<v Speaker 2>because I don't think that it's a lack of effort

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:07.920
<v Speaker 2>on the league side. I know for a fact it's

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.719
<v Speaker 2>not lack of effort on the league's side. And for teams,

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they're doing what they can. But you do

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.439
<v Speaker 2>have to count in the away games. You do have

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:21.120
<v Speaker 2>to count in the fatigue. The overall it's just so much.

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 2>It's so different. That's why you see an influx of

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.119
<v Speaker 2>content during media daytime, and then it kind of fees

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:28.480
<v Speaker 2>out because they're locked in.

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>And they have lives, they have things to do. Right Unrivaled,

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean there are it is hard to compare in

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways, just because it's a very different situation.

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.719
<v Speaker 1>It's an eight week bubble versus this multi month thing.

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 1>But there are some interesting things to look at and

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:44.639
<v Speaker 1>to learn from. You've been at this women's sports game forever,

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>well before everybody else was on board. How does it

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 1>feel for you personally to see this incredible growth in

0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:57.679
<v Speaker 1>recent years. I'm curious, especially because I think it's awesome

0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:00.440
<v Speaker 1>when people say to me, oh, Sarah, you were You've

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 1>been doing this forever. You've been, you know, doing it

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>at espnW for fifteen years. You were right, you were

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>telling everybody. And it feels good, and it also feels

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>bittersweet because it's like, yeah, if there had just been

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>more of this investment and media attention and everything else,

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 1>we could have been here so much sooner. So it's

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it's nice and it's also a little I.

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:21.879
<v Speaker 2>Told you yeah. And I don't want to come off

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:25.440
<v Speaker 2>sounding like a dark cloud or like Daria or something.

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.879
<v Speaker 2>Daria just want to make sure. I just want to

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 2>make sure that when we have this surge of I

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 2>want to invest, I want to invest, I want to

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>want to buy into this, that it's sustained. That is

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 2>what the word novelty keeps coming up to me. And

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it's just I want to make sure that the capitalizing

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 2>off the moment is beyond the moment in the movement,

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.919
<v Speaker 2>it's literally just the norm. I want this to be

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the norm, not a movement, not a moment, but the norm, because,

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 2>like you said, it's been a great thing. We've been

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 2>telling people it's great, and I want to make sure

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 2>that it stays innovative enough, or I want people to

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.199
<v Speaker 2>just put it in their everyday lives enough that we

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.479
<v Speaker 2>don't have to push and keep fighting and keep fighting

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 2>to sustain what we have right now. So I'm proud

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 2>that the old ceiling is the new floor, but I

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 2>can't wait to see how we continue to build in

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 2>the women's sports space and allow so much more opportunity

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.439
<v Speaker 2>to come. That's where I'm at with it. Also, not

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 2>to get to I can take this there, but I

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.719
<v Speaker 2>want to make sure all women are protected. All women

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 2>are protected, and so that's what I'm worried about, because

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>when when a group of people are being targeted, that

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 2>puts everything in women's sports that we've been working to

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 2>achieve at risk. And so that's something that I'm going

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 2>to be looking at for and fighting for forever.

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people don't seem to recognize that

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>they're very shortsighted in their pursuit of certain legislative goals,

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>completely blind to the long term effects it can have

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>on larger things, including just the existence of Title nine altogether.

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 1>I also I think it sounds like you've ended up

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 1>in a place that I've ended up, Which is why

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 1>this show exists, Which is the understanding that it can't

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>constantly be a novelty and a new unicorn that arrives

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that gets people fired up and interested and then they

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 1>go away. It's about sustained knowledge and understanding of the games, players, leagues,

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and events. And we've been doing that for men's sports

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:33.119
<v Speaker 1>for one hundred years, and in women's sports. We fail

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.360
<v Speaker 1>so much as a media to give people consistent connective

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>tissue to tie together to care about at the largest levels,

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>not content creators like you that have been doing it forever,

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>but at the largest levels. We drop in for championships,

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and we come back for the start of the season,

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>and we miss everything in the middle, and then we

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>ask why people aren't invested. And you don't need a

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>novelty of a new superstar every five months if you

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.719
<v Speaker 1>have existing stars and rivalries and storylines and they used

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 1>to play here and now they're here and all the

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>other things that keep us invested on the men's side.

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>That's what we need to provide at the best and

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>highest level in the women's sports world for people for

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>it to be sustainable. Is there something you think people

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>are still getting wrong about women's sports or something you

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>wish people knew or understood.

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I wish people knew that Title nine is at risk

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 2>and that we have to continue to fight for women's equity,

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>equality and resources. I wish people knew that you don't

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 2>have to be reliant on megastorylines to be invested. I

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>wish the people who want to be in our spaces

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Sarah know that they don't have to wait for their yes.

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>They can tell the stories on their own. We have

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 2>all the tools we need with social media your phones

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>to be able to cover the sport in the way

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>that we want to. There's so much room in space

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>for everybody who's enthusiastic and passionate about this to be

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>involved and to contribute, and so your contribution isn't based

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>on major network backing. I want people to know that

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 2>these athletes are human and they're also athletes, and we

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>don't have to coddle them, but we also should not

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>put them in a position to lose. It's our responsibility

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>if you assume that, to continue to do the things

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 2>we're doing, and those who are overconfident in the place

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>of women's sports right now, I just I really want

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 2>you to maintain that optimism and continue to be privy

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 2>to what's going on in the sports landscape.

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Be vigilant. If you are listening and you care about

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>this stuff and you're like, oh, but I don't know

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>this or that, or I'm not connected to this. That

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Ari is the most incredible example of someone who is

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>just like, this is something that matters to me, This

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>is something people should care about. So I'm just going

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>to start showing up and doing the work. And now

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>you're with ESPN and you're traveling all over the world

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and you're just killing it, and you're so a great

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>example of putting the work behind the passion and then

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 1>seeing where that takes you, and so many people could

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>learn from from that. Before I let you go, what's next?

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Because we focused on basketball, But I mean, girl, you're

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>covering gymnastics, you show up for the cheerleading stuff, you're

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>for brands like, do you have anything cool coming up?

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>We should know about Well, first, y'all should know that

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 2>gymnastics and cheer are my first love. Anyway, She's a

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 2>basketball gally, but she's also a gym and cheergirly. I'm

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>going right back down to Unrivaled, and then obviously we

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 2>have March Madness chaos, but I never miss a gymnastics championship.

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I have some fun things playing with cheering gymnastics in April.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Two very different sports though, don't get it twisted, but

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 2>get it twisted, twist, but just just I know this

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 2>again was not the question, But anybody out there who's

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 2>enthusiastic about women's sports, make your own content and see

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>where it takes you. I just really get excited to

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 2>see new creators every single day pushing the game for it.

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>So yes, I'm gonna be pushing. I just finished up

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 2>my sideline assignments at Athletes Unlimited, which is another greatly

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>that serves as an opportunity for players to sharpen their game,

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 2>whether it's w NBA or you know, professional basketball any

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 2>other level. But I just finished that assignment, going down

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Unrivaled next week, and then taking a much needed vacation

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>because we need to pour from a full cup for

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 2>your saucer and then going into march madness.

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 1>You say that as I'm down to my final breath

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and my last my last straw here on my many

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>many many city vacation slash work trip. So pourn from

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>a full cup is something I'm unfamiliar with, but I'm

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna work on that.

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 2>We'll get it together.

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>We got this, Ari, Thank you so much for the time.

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>We love you so much and hope to see you

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 1>in Tampa.

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Sarah, you will see me in Tampa, and we're gonna frolic.

0:32:58.720 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna we.

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Aren't gonna follow it. Thanks so much to Ari for

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>hopping on. We have to take another break. When we return,

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<v Speaker 1>a wildcat joins a duck and a hawkeye. Welcome back, Slices.

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>We love that you're listening, but we want you to

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>get in the game every day too, So here's our

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>good game play of the day. Follow Ari on social media.

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>She's at ari ivory on most everything. We'll link to

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>her profiles in our show notes. Also, Ari's right, We've

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>told you this on the show. Title nine is at risk.

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>We tend to talk about it a lot at a

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>macro level, but there might be some Title nine issues

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>happening closer to home than you think. If you live

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>near a school, high school, college, or otherwise. If you

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>have kids in your local schools, tap in with local groups,

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>do a little research about how you can get involved

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>in supporting the law and the girls and women athletes

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>and non athletes in your area. We always love to

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 1>hear from you, so hit us up on email good

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:04.840
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<v Speaker 1>watch Kentucky's Georgia Amore joining an exclusive club rating three

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 1>out of three Superstars review. Heading into this season, just

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>two Division one women's basketball players in history had scored

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>over twenty three hundred career points and posted at least

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.839
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred career assists, but that number is now three.

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky's Georgia Amore joined Iowa's Caitlin Clark and oregon sabrinian Escu,

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 1>hitting the eight hundred assist mark in late January and

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>the twenty three hundred point mark in mid February. After

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky's regular season finale last weekend a lost to South Carolina.

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.919
<v Speaker 1>Amore sits at two thy, three hundred and seventy nine

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 1>career points and eight hundred forty eight career assists. Congrats

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>to Georgia Amore. You're in rare air with Clark and Yonescu.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's your turn slices, rate and review. Thanks for listening,

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<v Speaker 1>See you tomorrow. Good a good game, NC State. You

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who isn't loving all this parody of women's college basketball?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you not entertained? Good Game with Sarah Spain is

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<v Speaker 1>an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue

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<v Speaker 1>Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Production by

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<v Speaker 1>Wonder Media Network, our producers are Alex Azzie and Misha Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan,

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<v Speaker 1>and Emily Rudder. Our editors are Emily Rutter, Britney Martinez,

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<v Speaker 1>and Grace Lynch. Our associate producer is Lucy Jones and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host Sarah Spain