1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Hello Seattle, and hello San Francisco. We are coming out 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: to do live shows in January for you guys, like 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: we seem to do every year. Now. Yeah, it's kind 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: of a pattern that's emerging. Chuck, that's right. And the 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: pattern is you come to see us, you laugh, we 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: have a good time, and everyone leaves happy. That's the pattern. 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: So if you want to leave happy, you can come 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: see us on Thursday, January at the More Theater in Seattle. 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: And you can come see a Saturday January at the 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: Castro in San Francisco. Yes, part of our annual retreat 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: to Sketch Fest. Yes. So if you want tickets and information, 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: go to s y s K live dot com, our 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: home on the web, powered by our friends at Squarespace, 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: and we'll see you in January. Welcome to Stuff You 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: Should Know, a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant. There's area over there, and this is Stuff 18 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: you Should Know the podcast. What else would it be? 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: A TV show? Not for a long time? Every funny. 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that intro. Okay, that's good. 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken. Who did I say melted many 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: years ago? Was it the Maya? No? Neanderthals, that's right, 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: or Thals? If you don't want to be a douche, 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: can we say that. I don't know. We'll find out. 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: Jerry didn't even hear it. Maybe she will in the 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: in the I bet she won't. Um, yeah, it was 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: the Neanderthals. But I'm gonna go ahead and say it again. 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it's the Maya melted, sure due to climate change. Maybe, 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: but that's what you were talking about right then, melted 30 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: because the climate change, that's right. What's I thought was hilarious? 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: But let's talk about the Maya civilization? Oh yeah, yeah, 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: I meant to tell you. Let's let's kind of move 33 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: stuff around here. Do you want to? Sure? Do? I mean? 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: What do you mean? Well, let's talk about Charles Lindbergh first. Okay, 35 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: I think he's a better intro than just kind of 36 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: randomly in the middle. All right, So sure, And that 37 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: means we can start out in the way back machine, 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: which we would have been in anyway, but we'll be closer. 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: We'll save some gas. It's way closer, that's right. We're 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: going back to February, Yes, February nine, when Chuck Limburgh 41 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: was flying for pan Am and he was flying over 42 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: what is now believes and if you can believe that, 43 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. But what he would do back then, 44 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: and this is after you know, of course his the 45 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: big flight, the big one. Uh, he would get hired 46 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: to do the like these little exploratory routes for airlines, 47 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: in this case PanAm. He may have done that exclusive 48 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: of your paying him. I have no idea. I wasn't 49 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: in his contract business. But he would fly these routes 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: to sort of blaze new trails for like for flying 51 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: routes and say, hey, this is a pretty legit flying 52 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: route for delivering stuff or or even passenger routes, and 53 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: maybe add it to your to your docket. So he 54 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: was doing this, and he was flying over this episode 55 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: on air routes. No, it's not, because he was flying 56 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: over Mexico and Central America well believes, like you said, yeah, 57 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: And and it was just very dense jungle everywhere he 58 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: looked until he went over this one part where it 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: was described not by Charles Lindberg for some reason, but 60 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: by an Associated Press writer who apparently got into the 61 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: head of Charles Lindberg and said it looked like two 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: emerald eyes staring up out of the jungle brush, the 63 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: tangle of the jungle brush. So he went back, flew 64 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: a little lower to investigate. And what he found was 65 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: what that the that the emerald eyes were actually twin 66 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: reflecting pools in a massive stone temple, like reflecting the 67 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: sun into his face. And he was like, um, so 68 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: is he a stone temple pilot? I guess so, Oh, 69 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: my gosh, is that off the cuff? It was? That 70 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: was pretty good? Um, that was great? Actually, uh. And 71 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: he realized that he was looking at the ruins of 72 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: a lost city, a massive stone lost city. Actually I 73 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: don't think he realized that, probably, but we now know that. Well, 74 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: he he saw that it was covered in jungle and 75 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: overgrowth and everything. Yeah, and he so the legend goes 76 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: chuck that that, um, Charles Lindbergh discovered the Lost Man 77 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: in Civilization, right, which is not true. No, well, okay, 78 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 1: it's nuanced. That particular article is probably totally made up. Yeah, 79 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: and but even if he did find that part he 80 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: didn't he didn't discover and that's probably not what Evan said. 81 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: He did not discovered the lost Maya civilization. He found 82 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: a part of it. Right, It's it's it's apocryphal. It's 83 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: an apocryphal story because by that time people were aware 84 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: that the Maya had existed, but they had kind of 85 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: been seen as legend for a very long time. But 86 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: starting in from what I could tell, the nineteen twenties, 87 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: they started um finding these massive, huge lost cities, just 88 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: like Limburgh supposedly found. And later on Limburgh did actually 89 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: fly over some of these lost cities and photograph him 90 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: and he got into aerial archaeology. But the point is this, 91 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: there are still are and there definitely were more lost 92 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: cities that were just enormous, with huge temples, some of 93 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: them pyramids that were among the tallest pyramids in the world, 94 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: completely overgrown by the jungle, just overtaken, abandoned cities. And 95 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: they started looking around and they started finding more of 96 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: these cities and more and more all over the Yucatan 97 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: and northern uh well actually all of Guatemala into Honduras, 98 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Belize and El Salvador, a big chunk of Central America 99 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: that there's these lost cities that were found, and they 100 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: all seemed to share something in common, so much so 101 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: that they now realized that they were peopled by the 102 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: same cultural group, the Maya. That's right, So let's talk 103 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: about the Maya. Let's go back even further. Let's go 104 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: back between twenty and twelve hundred or B c D 105 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: or what we now would call ce CE or I 106 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: think people now just say, like years ago, do they 107 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: do they really? Yeah? I don't, well yeah, they're they're like, 108 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: get religion out of it entirely, just say a long 109 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: time ago. Yeah, this this many years ago. Okay, so 110 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: many many years ago, the Maya civilization um occupied this 111 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: big area that we were talking about. There's a period 112 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: of time known as the classic Classic Maya that's what 113 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: they call it, the classic period between double on their 114 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: way through the door, between two fifty and nine hundred, 115 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: where I mean you talk about flourishing as a culture 116 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: like it was. It hadn't been seen since the Roman Empire. 117 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: Basically the cities uh sixty or more sixty seventy thousand people. Um, 118 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: they had sports arenas, they had pyramids, they had these 119 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: advanced farming practices, they made calendars, they understood math, and 120 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: we're really really advanced, and I believe even Um at 121 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: the time, some of these cities outnumbered the amount of 122 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: people that were in places like London in Paris at 123 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: that same time. Yeah yeah, and like something like say 124 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: eight hundred c e. If you travel over London in 125 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: Paris you find far fewer people, like double or triple 126 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: the amount in this Maya culture. The way that I 127 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: saw it put was in these in the in the 128 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: area of like Um, the Yucatan and Guatemala, the the 129 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: southern Lowlands I think is what they call it, where 130 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: like most of the great Mayan cities were. Um. The 131 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: population density is about what it is today in Los 132 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: Angeles County. Wow, imagine that. And now it's just overrun 133 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: jungle rainforest mostly um. But it used to be as 134 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: dense as l A County, Like people just everywhere in 135 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: this Yeah, super dense. So uh, here's the thing about 136 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: the may Empires that they were never one big group. Um. 137 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: They were never unified politically. They were just a bunch 138 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: of warring city states but really thriving. And they also 139 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: had like political alliances between city states. But that same 140 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: city state could be at like total war fifty years later, 141 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, the shifting constantly, that's right, But the thing 142 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: we really need to hammer homes that they were doing 143 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: great for themselves. They were really thriving as a culture 144 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: and as a people, and then in about a hundred 145 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: and fifty year period between eight hundred and nine fifty, 146 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: they disappeared. For all intents and purposes, the classic Maya 147 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: culture just vanished into the jungle. And that is not 148 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: to say that the people all died. Uh, they assimilated 149 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: into other cultures. But what you were talking about, that 150 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: Maya culture and those those big cities of seventy thousand 151 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: people just went away. Yeah, it's it be kind of 152 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: like a good analogy is if over you know, the 153 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: next thirty years. Yeah, Um, the the United States just 154 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: suddenly reverted to sixteenth century agrarian practices. That was it. 155 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: We just abandoned our cities and went and farmed, and 156 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: like we didn't farm with any tractors or anything like that. 157 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: We started using ox um oxen. Just completely abandoned our 158 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: culture and went back to a simple farming lifestyle. That 159 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: would basically be the closest analogy you can come up with. 160 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: And it happened really fast, super fast, and as a result, 161 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: that Mayan culture, like you said, was sort of looked 162 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: at as a legend before you know, we started finding 163 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: these places again. Yeah, because you know, locals kind of 164 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: knew about they'd be like, oh, if you go into 165 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: the jungle, you you're going to find a lost city. 166 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: Explorers were like, you're we're crazy, that's not real. But 167 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: then they started to actually find these lost cities. And 168 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: what's really surprising to me is they're still finding lost cities. 169 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: Every year there'll be some new study coming out that says, oh, 170 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: we used Leader. I think it's light Leader. Yeah. Leader. 171 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: It's basically a way of looking through vegetation to see 172 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: solid structures underneath. So they're looking through the jungle. It's 173 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: like a jungle X kind of. Yeah, it's actually it's perfect. Um. 174 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: And they're starting to find even more lost cities, and 175 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: they're also finding that the lost cities that we know about, 176 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: there's one called Elmir Door that hasn't been kind of 177 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: excavated yet, but it's the pyramid is so tall that 178 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: is sticking up out of the jungle canopy, so they 179 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: know there's a lost city there. But um, using Leader, 180 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: they've seen like, oh, it's way more extensive than we 181 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: thought before. Elmir door probably had a hundred thousand people 182 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: living in the city center at its peak. All right, 183 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: so that's a good setup. We're gonna take a break 184 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: and discuss the merits of Jungle X Ray as a 185 00:11:35,920 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: band name and be back right after this. It's not bad. 186 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: What kind of band would it be? That's your specialty? 187 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: Sounds like a party band, right does. It's got a 188 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: lot of funk going on. I think seventies, sure, but 189 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: not but like a seventies throwback they like didn't exist 190 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: in the seventies. Oh yeah, like uh the uh like 191 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: a Ya sisters? Oh who's that? Wasn't that a band? 192 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: Jerry Scissor Sisters? That It was like a funky throwback 193 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: seventies thing? Okay, I gotta listen to them while they 194 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: were around for a minute. I think they're not around anymore, 195 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: all right, But did they leave like any kind of 196 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: documentation of their music? I seem to remember them being 197 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: like a party band. I don't know, but I mean, 198 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: did they have a record out or what? Man they 199 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: had records? It's gonna go check them out. Think I 200 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: just made this up, all right? So the Maya disappeared, 201 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: why would Jerry knows she hit all of a sudden. 202 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, she just what she just didn't so uh. 203 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: Charles Lindbergh comes around, referred to previous. Uh story, we 204 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: already talked about. Lindberg referre to previous story. That's why 205 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: I said that. And he he puts this back on 206 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: the map again, and everyone is excited about discovering about 207 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: who these people were, right, But the whole thing, like 208 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: from the outset, they're like, what happened to these people? Sure? 209 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: And the more we learned about him, this is the 210 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: other thing, like the legends of this sudden civilization just vanishing, 211 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: Like the more we studied them, the more we realized 212 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: that's actually kind of accurate. The legends are true. There 213 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: was this amazing culture that just vanished into the forest. 214 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: And um And one of the big things, one of 215 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: the big breakthroughs in studying my culture was cracking UM. 216 00:13:54,480 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: There written alphabet, they used hire glyphs. And there's a really, 217 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: really good documentary called UM Cracking the Maya Coat On 218 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: I think it was a Nova episode. Dude. It is good. 219 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: It's thrilling, and it basically is them just sitting around 220 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: some house one summer trying to figure this out. But 221 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: they're like going back and forth and some like I 222 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: think some like twenty year old woman figured it out. Yeah, 223 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: and they now we understand a lot more. But what 224 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: we're finding is it's like, oh no, this is this 225 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: really happened. Something really weird happened here, and we still 226 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: aren't quite sure what caused it. It was a very 227 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: odd description of how they figured that out. What sitting 228 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: around a house that's what they did. I think they 229 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: had like a workshop or something. They're like, we're really 230 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: going to try to figure this out. We're gonna try 231 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: to crack this coat. And they actually did where we 232 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: could go sit in. Well, that's what they were doing. 233 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: It was a house, someone's house. I think, I love it, 234 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: so that's knowing me. It was definitely not a house 235 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: by any stretch, and I'll have to do it correct. 236 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: They're like, Josh, is your house Harvard University. So there 237 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: are some theories that have been developed over the years 238 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: that all kind of makes sense, and some of them 239 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: there that's not necessarily a binary thing that some of 240 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: them could have all contributed to the collapse of the 241 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: Maya um over farming is one which makes a lot 242 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: of sense. And that's the idea that basically they were 243 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: so successful. They had tons of food, tons of water, 244 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: and so they said, well, let's just make tons and 245 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: tons of babies, which all of a sudden, the farmers 246 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: are like, gees, we're really growing. Yeah, like I don't 247 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: know if we can grow this much corn. Um, so 248 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: let's clear some forest land and grow grow, grow, which 249 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: means they're not practicing safe and sound farming practices. All 250 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they weren't practicing safe sex, and they 251 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: weren't practicing safe farming. That's right. So um, because of 252 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: this over farming, they weren't allowed to they didn't have 253 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: the opportunity let their fields lay fallow because everything was 254 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: in production, which is there's really no faster way to 255 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: overstretch your agricultural resources than that. That's right. What we're 256 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: here to tell you, Uh, well, warfare. We know they 257 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: were a warring people for sure, So the Maya rulers 258 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: were they did a lot of disservice to their own 259 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: people by kind of over inflating uh their resources, and 260 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: how tough they were, Um, what kind of warriors they were, 261 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: and how powerful they were. They could make it rain, 262 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: they can control the weather and thus control the crops. 263 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: And this may have backfired on them, as the theory 264 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: goes that they warred so much that they sapped their 265 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: own resources and eventually people retaliated and they were not 266 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: able to fight back. And I think the guy who 267 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: led that workshop at that dude's house where they cracked 268 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: the code, I cannot remember his name, but he's a 269 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: eminent Maya scholar. He he is of the camp. That's like, 270 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: it was warfare, that's what That's what. It was, plain 271 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: and simple. They just fought too much and they eventually 272 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: they reached some tipping point from war. And there's real 273 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: evidence about some of these cultures at least for some 274 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: of these cities going down because of warfare. Yeah, I 275 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: mean like they engaged in total war or they would 276 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: like target civilians, they would burn your whole city down. 277 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: They like. It wasn't like they were a very warlike group, 278 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: which is funny because for a very long time they 279 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: were portrayed as um one of the few Mesoamerican groups 280 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: that didn't practice human sacrifice, and then once we cracked 281 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: my code, were like, oh no, actually they were prolific 282 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, it was bad news. The other is disease, 283 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: and this is um not human disease necessarily, but like 284 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: virus from their food supply. Yeah, that's another ecological disaster. 285 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: That's right. I think mays mosaic virus was named in 286 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy nine articles. So like, there's a lot 287 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: of a lot of good theory is out there and 288 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: they aren't necessary. It's not a zero some kind of 289 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: thing figuring it out, but there's over the years lately, Um, 290 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: in the last decade or two, maybe people have really 291 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: started to say, you know, I think we should look 292 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: a little closer at the Royal climate change might play 293 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: in this kind of stuff. And when they look specifically 294 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: at the Maya, they said, actually, it looks a lot 295 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: like climate change played a big role in in the 296 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: decline of the classic Maya civilization. That's right. And just 297 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: because the Maya didn't burn fossil fuels to run cars 298 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the Earth wasn't affected by climate change 299 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: and that they weren't affected by climate change. Yeah, they 300 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: think that probably climate change happened on its own, but 301 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: they've also pinpointed some ways that the Maya may have 302 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: exacerbated it too. You mean, people can impact that some 303 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: foo loops say so. So they've done some studies. They 304 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: studied mineral deposits um in caves left by dripping water, 305 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: and they have been able to put together a two 306 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: thousand year history of weather patterns based on Speelio thumbs alone. 307 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: That's right, uh. And what they found out, and this 308 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 1: was published an article in Science, UH in two thousand 309 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: twelve Science magazine, the journal Science. The journal Science. It's 310 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: not called like Science Weekly or what the Ohio State Universe. Um. 311 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: But what they did find out was for the first 312 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: few hundred years, and this really lens UH a lot 313 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: of credence to the theory that they may have overfarmed 314 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, is they really had a lot 315 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: of rain and they flourished as a result of that. Yeah, 316 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: which you can't really blame them. It's it's them saying, okay, 317 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: well let's thrive and we can thrive in these conditions. 318 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: It's not like they were like, Okay, it's this is 319 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: a really wet period, let's take advantage of it and 320 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: really overstretch our ourselves. Um. They just kind of went 321 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: with it, and their population grew because it could be 322 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: supported because is there was such a large amount of rain, 323 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: their crops grew, their reservoirs were full, and this is 324 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: a few hundred years, right over the course of a 325 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: few hundred years. But from looking at the cave deposits, 326 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: they found that there was a very wet record that 327 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: corresponds with the classical Maya period. Wet record is a 328 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: Scissor Sisters album. I don't know, Jump, what was it? 329 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: Jungle x ray albu Jungle x ray wet record, so 330 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: that hip, that's hip. Jerry doesn't disgusted with this at 331 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: this point around six six d this all changed the rain. 332 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: What's that funny for? I just thought have a good analogy. 333 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: So Jungle x ray their album wet record is to 334 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: seventies funk soul throwbacks. What the darkness Permission to land 335 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: is the eighties hair metal throwback? That's not an s 336 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: A T question. I think I think we just get it, Chuck. 337 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: Did we correctly go? Yeah, we we cracked that Jungle lectory. 338 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: Did you see where Motley Crue is gonna play shows 339 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: again after we supposedly saw their farewell to her that 340 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: they even signed a contract saying they could legally never 341 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: perform again together. And they're going on a stadium tour 342 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: with Poison and Deaf Leppard. What I know, I'll see 343 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: you there. Yeah. So remember we got invited to that 344 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: show by Nitas Strauss, That's right, who is like huge, Yeah, 345 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: guitar player at the time. Maybe still for Alice Cooper's Yeah, 346 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: I think she does that still, I think. But she's 347 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: like a guitar legend, not jam She's great. I hope 348 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: she still listens. He's probably not. But around six sixty 349 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: the weather changed, the rains did not come like they 350 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: used to, and they had the longest dry spell of 351 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: the last two thousand years. And this is gonna have 352 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: a real impact. When everything's flourishing and you're just planting 353 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: and planting, all of a sudden you're a or thirsty. 354 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: That's a big one, and you're not you're hungry that 355 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: thirst thing. It's funny because like we're talking about rainforests, 356 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: but this area in northern Guatemala where the Maya will 357 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: live just called the petting or the pitten I don't know, 358 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: pet e n And it is kind of like feast 359 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: or famine depending on the rain cycle. So when it's dry, 360 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: it's like you're you're in trouble because the closest groundwater 361 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: is about five feet below the surface, and um, it's 362 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: not going to rain for a very long time. So 363 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: if you haven't prepared by building reservoirs your you might 364 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: die of thirst. So a drought in the pattern, which 365 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: is normally dry some parts of the year, would be 366 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: a real problem. If you're talking about a drought that 367 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: lasts over years or possibly decades. Now you have a 368 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: civilization collapsing problem. Yeah, so that's a big problem in 369 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: and of itself. You've got a big population that grew 370 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: when it was wet. Suddenly it's not wet, and you 371 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: still have that big population. There's a lot of internal 372 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: problems that can that can develop, especially between classes too. 373 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: Sure the haves and the have nuts, which existed back then, 374 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: but also the rulers who are like, you know, more 375 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: human sacrifices, We need to keep this this this thing 376 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: going to get the rain to come back. Well, and 377 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: the common folk being like, jeez, I don't know about this. Uh, 378 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, I hadn't rained in a while. It was 379 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: my cousin before, but now I was asking for my brother, 380 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So that created a lot of tension. The 381 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: other thing that could have sped this whole thing up 382 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: was the fact that they were thriving so much that 383 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: they were expanding their territory and they were cutting down 384 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: and deforesting the land around them for fuel and to 385 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: build things. And they have found, uh, they found pollen. 386 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: They studied pollen and these ancient layers and lake sediment 387 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: in Central America, and around eight d that pollen went 388 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: from tree pollen to weed pollen pretty quickly. Yeah, and 389 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: that's about when the Maya reached their fluorescence, when they 390 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: really reached their pinnacles about eight hundred. So what that 391 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: suggests is they cut down all the forests and they 392 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: were using what used to be forest for crop land 393 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: because they practice slash and char where they would burn 394 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: it down to introduce carbon nutrients into the ground. Um. 395 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: The problem is as if there's no force whatsoever, you've 396 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: just altered your ecosystem and by doing that, you can 397 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: actually alter the local climate, which they think they may have. Yeah. 398 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: Not only that, but it's going to have just the 399 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: physical effect of erosion, like a massive erosion, because those 400 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: tree roots are gone, and that's gonna screw up your 401 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: farmland as well. Right, So your top soils gone, Your 402 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: trees are no longer keeping things as cool as they 403 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: were before. There was a NASA model that predicted that 404 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: the the temperature in the area rose by about six 405 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit, which is a lot. I mean, that's noticeable 406 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: for humans, but if you're talking about plants and soil, 407 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: that's that can really exacerbated drought. When you've already got 408 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: a bad drought and a normally dry area. That's not good. 409 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: So the climate, the climate record is showing Okay, it's 410 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: it was already bad, but they probably made things worse 411 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: with the deforestation. Yeah, and that that all that stuff 412 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: combined and then maybe throwing a little dash of the 413 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: previous theories could very well explain why they said, you know, 414 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: we're getting out of here and we're gonna go live 415 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: a smaller life, a more sustainable, smaller life that's not 416 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: in a big city, right. Yeah, And they think also 417 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: that you know, the other things dashed in, like um, 418 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: the warfare, Like if you're in a town and you 419 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: know the next time or the next city state over 420 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: has big reservoirs and your people are dying of thirst, 421 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: invading that other city might seem like a pretty good idea. 422 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: And if that happens enough times, then you have a 423 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: lot of war going on everywhere, and that can really 424 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: make your civilization to climb pretty bad too. Should we 425 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: take another break? Sure? All right, we'll take another break 426 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: and talk about how this climate change could have affected 427 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: some other civilizations throughout history. Alright, Chuck. So it's not 428 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: just the maya. This is the thing. This is kind 429 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: of a new way of looking at history and especially 430 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: social collapses, the idea that climate change played some driving 431 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: role in it. And they started to look around. They're like, oh, actually, 432 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: this kind of explains a lot of different ones that 433 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: we didn't we thought we understood before. And the understanding 434 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: before would be like, well, this king died and this 435 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: created political instability, and they have evidence that there was 436 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: this war and this group got got invaded. What they're 437 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: starting to find now is actually there might have been 438 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: climate change that led to crop failure that led to instability, 439 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: that that allowed this this kingdom to be invaded because 440 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: it was weakened by a dying population. Yeah. What it 441 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: is is a more nuanced look at civilization and in 442 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: ancient histories, because I'm sure there are a lot of 443 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: people that when you talk about the Neo Assyrian Empire, 444 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: which thrived in what is now modern Diarraq for a 445 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: few hundred years, and that was one of those where 446 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: the death of a king is what everyone has always said, Well, 447 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: that's what did it. And there, I'm sure there were 448 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: historians were like, you know that there's something missing. Yeah, 449 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: they had so many kings that had died leading up 450 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: as why this one. And they started to look in 451 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: particular at the Neo Assyrian Empire and they said, oh, 452 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: actually if we go and look at the cave record again. 453 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: They went to a cave called Kuna ba Um in 454 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: northern Iraq and they said, actually, the record of rainfall 455 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: captured by this cave, by these mineral deposits in these 456 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: caves kind of show that there was that same thing 457 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: that happened with the Maya, a very wet period that 458 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: corresponds with the growth of the society, and a very 459 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: very dry period that corresponds with its collapse. And that's 460 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: not coincidence, they don't think. So it's starting to look 461 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: like it's really not coincidence. Another one, uh the anchor 462 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: Wat Temple in Asia in Southeast Asia Asia that was 463 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: like old timing was who was it that said Paula Abduel, 464 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: Because I've been saying that for like thirty something it 465 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: was I think in a Spike Lee movie or something. 466 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: It sounds like Toro or maybe Paula Abdul, who is 467 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: the guy who ran sALS Pizza Danny a Yellow. I 468 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: could totally see him saying it might have been Paula Abdul. Yeah, 469 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: all I know is I've been saying it for many, 470 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: many years now. So the anchor wat Temple, Yeah, the 471 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: Camir Empire in Southeast Asia flourished for between eight o 472 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: two and four. That's a long time. It's a very 473 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: long time. But they think that drought once again along 474 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: with like monsoon like rains uh really is what brought 475 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: them down as well. So again the effects of the climate. 476 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: And if you look at the Khmer Empire, particularly around 477 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: anchor watt Um that's the very famous like lost temple 478 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: in the we've seen um. Historians have long known that 479 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: they got invaded and taken over, and now they think 480 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: actually the reason that was allowed to happen is because 481 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: of climate change in it like it led to problems 482 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: that weaken the society that allowed them to be invaded 483 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: and taken over. This idea of that ingredient. That's right, 484 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: that a civilization is just like doing fine, doing fine, 485 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: suddenly invaded and taken over by a neighbor that's been 486 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: there for hundreds of years, Like, but have stopped asking 487 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: what was it that did that? Now they're saying it 488 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: looks like climate change maybe played a role. I think 489 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: that's just fascinating. Yeah, for sure. Uh, the same with 490 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: the Vikings and the thirteenth and fourteen centuries. They left Greenland. 491 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: They had been around for several hundred years, and that 492 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: was because of the Little Ice Age. Yeah, they they 493 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: had farming techniques that worked before the Little Ice Age, 494 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: which was a very very cool period around the globe. 495 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: UM I think from like eight hundred to or something 496 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: like that, No, into the nineteenth century. I think at 497 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: any rate, UM their farming techniques stopped working in Greenland 498 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: because it was too cold, so they had to leave 499 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: the land said you gotta leave Vikings, and they went, fine, 500 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: we'll go take some shrooms and go berserk and get 501 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah, berserkers. So there's a lot we 502 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: can learn about, you know, looking back through history, not 503 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: only UM on the battlefield and politically, but also, um, 504 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: if we look at it through this lens, it maybe 505 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: climate change was the cause of the collapse of an 506 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: ingredient for the cause of collapse of some of these civilizations. 507 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: That the same thing could be happening to us very slowly, 508 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: right in front of our eyeballs. Yeah. And I mean 509 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: one of the things is if you back and look 510 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: at these these historic falls of civilizations, um, Like, it's 511 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: not like they were like, oh, there's a drought going on, 512 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: that's it for our culture. It's like this was an 513 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: underlying driver that they may or may not have pointed 514 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: to as the cause of these larger things. You know, 515 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: if you're engaged in like a civil war or an invasion, 516 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: you're not stopping and thinking like, gosh, it's because of 517 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: this drought. You're focused on the invasion. It's the immediate thing. 518 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: And in in the exact same way. I mean, we're 519 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: not that removed from people who lived a millennia go. 520 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: As long as the way that our brains work, we 521 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: tend to look at the trees rather than the forest too. 522 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: And if that's the case, and we're in this period 523 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: of climate change right now, it's really worrying to think 524 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: that a little bit of climate change can lead to 525 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: social collapse, and not directly. Again, that's the thing, that's 526 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: what a lot of people argue about, is the climate 527 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: change isn't going to cause society collapse, not directly, but 528 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: it could lay the groundwork for all the stuff that 529 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: goes wrong that we're failing to identify is ultimately caused 530 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: by climate change. That's what we need to be paying 531 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: attention to. If that is in fact the case. That's right, 532 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: And like we said, there are a lot of indicators 533 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: that some of these same things are going on, deforestation 534 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: not being the least among them. Uh, we are cutting 535 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 1: down a lot of trees, and we have cut down 536 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: a lot of trees of the forest of northern America, 537 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: just the US alone, just the US have been cut 538 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: down um trees or carbon roughly, and they absorbed and 539 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: this is a very big deal. Uh, they absorbed between 540 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: one and three million metric tons of c O two, 541 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: which offsets which we need between twenty and what we 542 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: put into the atmosphere. So you don't have to be 543 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: a rocket scientist to figure out if there's fewer trees, 544 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: then there's going to be more CEO two in the atmosphere, 545 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: and I think it's even more significant than that. We 546 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: did a whole episode. I don't remember the ins and 547 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: outs of it. We did a whole episode on cutting 548 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: down trees and the effect it has on weather UM 549 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: and I remember it was it has a big effect, 550 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: like from single trees to huge forests, like each each 551 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: each loss of tree has an impact for sure. And 552 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: it's not like, uh, we're stopping now. In the Pacific 553 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: Northwest UM, roughly of the old growth forest is is 554 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: slated for logging to go away for logging purposes. Which 555 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: old growth forest? I read a really cool article on 556 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: the old growth forest of Atlanta and how Atlanta is 557 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: a you know, if anyone's ever been here from like 558 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: out west, maybe they remark about how Atlanta is a 559 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: city in a forest, and I was wondering what old 560 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: growth meant. It was a really cool article. And the 561 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: years differ depending on who you're asking, but it's basically 562 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: a forest that has not been touched by humans for 563 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: between a hundred and a hundred fifty years and there's 564 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: still an old growth forest in Atlanta. It's great, is 565 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? Wow? Like pine forests or no, just 566 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, like like hardwood. Wow, I didn't know that. 567 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. It is like when you fly into town, 568 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: you're like, this is just in the It's like a 569 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: lost city in the middle of a jungle, but still functioning. 570 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: What about social change and uh and what's going on 571 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: with that? So, I mean one of the things that 572 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: seems to be a hallmark of a collapsing civilization for 573 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: whatever reason, and as part of its collapse, it can 574 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: engage in civil war um war with other neighboring countries 575 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: or city states or whatever. Um. And if climate change 576 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: is a driver of that, it seems to have happened 577 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: very recently. You're happening right now, um because one of 578 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: the ideas for the basis of the civil war in 579 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: Syria right now is a drought brought on by climate 580 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: change that started in two thousand and six and actually 581 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: kind of cast a lot of farmers, a lot of 582 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: Syrian farmers out of work from their fee into the cities. 583 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: And so a lot of unemployed, restless people showed up 584 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: to the cities. And they think that that was one 585 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: of the exacerbators that led to this civil war. But 586 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: that climate change, a drought brought on by climate change 587 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: may have been the underlying driver for the Syrian Civil 588 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: war going on right now. Yeah, that like four thousand 589 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: people have died in so far. Population growth is another 590 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: big one. We talked about both with the Maya and 591 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: the Assyria Empires that you know, even if you're doing great, 592 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: you still got to keep the population in check because 593 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: there is there's a point where, um, you can't sustain 594 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: it anymore. And we are expected to reach ten billion people. 595 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: That crazy by ten billion humans on Earth yea just 596 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: around the corner. And there is an argument that um 597 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: technology is our favorable climate. Like we're doing great technologically speaking, 598 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: so we're just growing and growing again. We're growing because 599 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: we can invent anything we need to invent to help 600 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: out any problem. Um. But if that goes away, then 601 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna be in big trouble. Um. I have to 602 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: fess up. That was me editorialized now I can tell okay, yeah, well, 603 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: thank you for the legitimacy you added to And I 604 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: don't mean that goes away. But you know, if if 605 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: there is a breaking point for technological advancement, well yeah, 606 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: it's like the Green Revolution. We went from traditional agriculture 607 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: to modern agriculture. But modern agriculture is on the verge 608 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: of reaching its carrying capacity, and we have no idea 609 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: what's coming after that. Plus we also are well aware 610 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: that our modern intensive agricultural practices are problematic. There's a 611 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: lot of fertilizer runoff that can spoil water, including drinking water. Um, 612 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of soil depletion that comes along with it. 613 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: And in the same way that a lot of other 614 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: cultures who have fallen seem to have been stubborn and 615 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: not adapted, but they're just kept kept at it, kept 616 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: at it, despite having warning signs that it wasn't working 617 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,959 Speaker 1: any longer. Um, we seem to be doing the same 618 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: thing with our farming practices, and we need to figure 619 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: out a more sustainable way to farm. Yeah. I think 620 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: the thing that distresses me is the lack of a 621 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people that aren't doing this, 622 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: but the lack of the long term outlook. You know, 623 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: it's like, well, it's not gonna happen in my lifetime. Yeah, 624 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: so I need to keep I need to keep pushing 625 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: forward with whatever farming practices I'm utilizing or whatever the 626 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: case may be. One of the one of the suggestions 627 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: I saw when I was researching the End of the 628 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: World to get people to care about the future is 629 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: to extend human lifespans so that you're like, oh, that's 630 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: like two years in the future. Well, if that was 631 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: middle age, you would care about that. And then just 632 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: it's weird to think, you know, it's it's simple if 633 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: you think about it, but it's also weird to think, like, 634 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: just how quickly that would make us start planning for 635 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: the future a lot more. Rather than shrinking the future 636 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: into human size, we would be growing human size into 637 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: the future. I feel like the human lifespan or the 638 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: human awareness of what a lifespan, Yeah, that would change 639 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: the whole outlook. Yeah, you we always had a good 640 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: question about that too. She's like, at what point do 641 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: we stop caring about our descendants? You know, we've got kids, grandkids, 642 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: great curring kids, great great grandkids. Yeah, exactly, at one 643 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: point we just stopped saying great and it's just descendants, 644 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Sure, I wonder like where where you 645 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: really stopped caring, Like, do you really care about your 646 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: great grandkids, great great curing kids less? So let's find 647 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: it fascinating or maybe here's the thing. You could just 648 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: not even think about it in terms of you your family, 649 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: but maybe just planet Earth and and doing the right thing. Yeah, 650 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: Luckily a lot of people do think that way an 651 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: increasing amount. We also have to say, Chuck that like 652 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: the idea that climate change is a driver for social 653 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: collapse is very new. Some people, some historians so archaeologists, 654 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: are like, this really smacks of a trendy thing. And 655 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: I'm just not on this bandwagon. It's too young, it's 656 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: too new. It's just seems to hip, you know, like 657 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: a Scissor Sisters record. But um, I guess what I'm 658 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: trying to say is it's not This isn't definitive, it's 659 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: not set in stone. And there's also a lot of 660 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: people who say, well, we are pretty smart, we're a 661 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: lot smarter than we were a thousand years ago, and 662 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: we can invent our way out of any problem. But 663 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: I mean, we've done it so far. It's tough to 664 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,399 Speaker 1: argue with in some cases. You know, it's it's it's 665 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: not to say that the world is necessarily going to 666 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: end at any point in time in the near future, 667 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 1: or that we cannot ourselves assimilate and change and roll 668 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: with it and go back to maybe a different lifestyle. 669 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: Well yeah, or continue on our technological progress, but like say, 670 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: adopt more sustainable farming practices. I mean, that's the view 671 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: of the future that i'll the Dystopian films have is 672 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: this usually. I mean sometimes it's a barren wasteland Mad 673 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: Max style, but a lot of times it's like a 674 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: return to the earth and small villages of people farming. 675 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened to the Maya. Yea, they moved 676 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: out in new farms, the farm, the farm hinterlands where 677 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: they just continued on like nothing happened, right, But the 678 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 1: people in the cities were like, well we're Mad Max 679 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: now coastal elites. Yeah right, you've got anything else? No, Well, 680 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: this was the climate change leading to the fall of 681 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: the Maya the episode. And that's the end of that. 682 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: And since I said that, it's time for listener mail. Uh. 683 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: This is from Rosanna in Surrey, United Kingdom. Hey, guys, 684 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: my husband and I are currently renovating an Edwardian house 685 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: in a very poor condition, and she detailed it. It 686 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: just sounds like a wreck that they're in the middle of, 687 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: the loose upside down, but but worth it in along 688 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: running in the living room, there's a lift in the lory. 689 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: When everything seems to be falling apart around you, the 690 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: last thing you want is to be left with your 691 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: own thoughts, and your podcast is always there so I 692 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: don't have to be. For many years, I've listened to 693 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: your show the way other people listen to the radio. 694 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: The first thing I put it on in the morning 695 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,959 Speaker 1: when I get up, and this continues on my drive 696 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: to and from work or whenever I'm in my car, 697 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: and I often put it on before bed because I 698 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: find your voices so soothing. Your show really helps with 699 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: my anxiety as well. Both my husband and I are 700 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: doing all the work on the house ourselves now, electrics, plumbing, plastering, tiling, decorating, 701 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: you name it, and I've left my job to work 702 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: on the house full time. So for the past six 703 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: months I listened to YouTube talking to keep me company 704 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: and learning while I'm working, which lasts at least nine 705 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,240 Speaker 1: hours a day. Solid Josh and Chuck, you basically become 706 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: my main source of human contact. Guys. For example, it's 707 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: only ten twenty in the morning and I've already been 708 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: listening to you for four hours in twenty minutes laying 709 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: are you okay? Alright? Uh? And we'll continue to do 710 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 1: so until my husband gets home late tonight. Obviously this 711 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: means a lot of repeated shows, but it never gets boring. 712 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: Much of the d I y work is unbelievably slow 713 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: and tedious. I've been there, Rosanna. I definitely would have 714 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 1: lost my mind long ago if it wasn't for stuff 715 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,439 Speaker 1: you should know. I don't want to say a huge 716 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: thank you for keeping me saying educated and chuckling along 717 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: when I do, would otherwise be on the floor crying 718 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: about how much I have to do that. What you 719 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: guys do is brilliant, and I wanted to let you 720 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: know you're not just educating people and helping to expand 721 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: their beliefs. You're also genuinely helping me feel connected to others. 722 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: Will I try to create a home for me, my 723 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: husband and our two idiot cats and two house rabbits. 724 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: I want to come see you. Yeah, that's pretty. I 725 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: want to see your Victorian home, Edward. I want to 726 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 1: see your two idiot cats in your two house rabbits. Um, 727 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: are you gonna help what I say? Victorian? Yes? Edwardian 728 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna help plaster. I'll plastered the cred out of that. 729 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: Get plastered and do some plasters. Right, He'll be all 730 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 1: over the place, He'll get it all over the LORI well, 731 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Rosanna, best of luck in the renovation. 732 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad we can help you out. That's good to hear. Uh. 733 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with us like 734 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: Rosanna did, to let us know what you're doing with 735 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: your time, we always want to hear about that. 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