Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's
Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too for part two of our
Speaker 2: episodes on heavy metal the Music. Sorry all you ken
Speaker 2: majors who showed up with different expectations.
Speaker 1: Would you like to see the pope on the end
Speaker 1: of the rope? Do you think he's a fool?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: That's Sabbath which my brother always laughed at that line
Speaker 1: which it's on. I think it's on Master of Reality.
Speaker 1: I don't know the name of the song. I think
Speaker 1: I said end of the rope, end of a rope. Obviously.
Speaker 2: I'll bet your brother thought that it's funny.
Speaker 1: He did. Yeah, I think that's the only thing he
Speaker 1: knows about Black Sabbath, which is hysterical.
Speaker 2: Some of it is pretty comical, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I guess let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: kick off part two with talking about Ozzie, because this
Speaker 1: is a section where we're going to talk about some
Speaker 1: some contra Ozzie and his day certainly had a few
Speaker 1: of them. He was kicked out of Black Sabbath in
Speaker 1: the late seventies because he partied too hard for Black
Speaker 1: Sabbath even he was replaced by the great Ronnie James
Speaker 1: Dio and went on to have a solo career. But
Speaker 1: there are a couple of things that happened in his life,
Speaker 1: notably biting the heads off of things that gained him
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. At one CBS sales convention, he
Speaker 1: was supposed to release these live doves and instead he
Speaker 1: bit the heads off of them. And the story has
Speaker 1: changed a lot over the years, so depending on who
Speaker 1: you're talking to is what version. But he bit the
Speaker 1: head off of one to shock people in a room,
Speaker 1: and apparently was being let out, bit the head off
Speaker 1: the other. There are also people that said that they
Speaker 1: were not alive at the time. The same thing when
Speaker 1: he bit the head off of a bat in Des
Speaker 1: Moines nineteen eighty two on stage when somebody threw a
Speaker 1: bat on stage right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And somebody tracked down the guy who threw the
Speaker 2: bat and he said that bat had been dead for days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark Neil and I don't know.
Speaker 2: What is worse, biting the head off of a live
Speaker 2: bat or biting the half of a bat that's been
Speaker 2: sitting around dead for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: I I don't know, flip a coin, buddy.
Speaker 2: Either way, I've I've reached a point in my life
Speaker 2: where I can't even take talking about like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the way. I just don't kill the dog's That's
Speaker 2: where I've gotten to in life.
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, you know. Yeah, I mean he
Speaker 1: snorted live ants beside a swimming pool on tourd Motley
Speaker 1: Crue and I feel bad for those ants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what did they do? Like, you know, nothing?
Speaker 2: I think Ozzie was a cool dude in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways, but he was also very hard to get around,
Speaker 2: and that was one reason why I got kicked out
Speaker 2: of Black Sabbath. Like some people like Dave Mustain, like Ozzie,
Speaker 2: like their bandmates were partying as hard as they were,
Speaker 2: sometimes harder, but they didn't turn into evil. Yeah, who
Speaker 2: would like get in your face or try to kill you,
Speaker 2: or like try to do something horrible and like ruin
Speaker 2: everybody's time. That's how you would get kicked out of
Speaker 2: a heavy metal band, by being such a jerk that
Speaker 2: your bandmates are like, we can't put up with this anymore.
Speaker 2: We're going to replace you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that was definitely the case with Mustaane. I
Speaker 1: think Ozzie was a little more. His reliability became an issue.
Speaker 2: Oh is that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that was a deal. But we should
Speaker 1: talk a little bit. I know we covered it in
Speaker 1: the Satanic Panic episode, but you can't have a metal
Speaker 1: episode without talking a little bit about the Parents Music
Speaker 1: Resource Center the PMRC in nineteen eighty five, led by
Speaker 1: Tipper Gore, al Gore's wife. At one point, you know,
Speaker 1: they own a mission to clean up music into it
Speaker 1: at the very least to get ratings on record albums.
Speaker 1: So at one point they released their Filthy fifteen of
Speaker 1: the filthiest fifteen songs, and nine out of the fifteen
Speaker 1: were either metal or hard rock bands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean def Leppard, Come on.
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're considered metal, but I don't know
Speaker 1: what song that would have even been.
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying, not whether or not they're metal.
Speaker 2: Same with the CDC and Twisted's sister, Like, what are
Speaker 2: these guys singing about that you need to censor? Like
Speaker 2: give me a break, Venom and Merciful Fate again. I
Speaker 2: get why suburban parents were scared of these guys. They
Speaker 2: were like legit like, hey, let's talk about Satan and
Speaker 2: how Brady is and how much you suck religious people.
Speaker 2: So yes, I'm sure, and I'm not saying like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they deserve to be censored. I get that one. But
Speaker 2: Mandonna Prince def Leppard, like it's just it was. It
Speaker 2: just goes to show you how preposterous the whole thing was.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of people say it worked. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's how we ended up with the warning explicit lyrics sticker,
Speaker 2: which actually helped a lot of hip hop groups sell
Speaker 2: more records.
Speaker 1: You mean the Badge of Honor exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But some people say that MTV actually kind of was
Speaker 2: under pressure to stop showing as much heavy metal, and
Speaker 2: that heavy metal got pushed a little bit out of
Speaker 2: the mainstream. Yeah, but instead on Tonight like the two
Speaker 2: hour version of Hebbanger's Ball every week, which is not
Speaker 2: a lot compared to what it used to be. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if we said, but Iron Maiden had
Speaker 2: not one, but two videos played on MTV in the
Speaker 2: first twenty four hours that MTV was on the air,
Speaker 2: and I think they were played more than once, and
Speaker 2: the first one was sandwiched in between Rod Stewart's Sailing
Speaker 2: and Ario Speedwagons Keep On Loving You.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the rotation for MTV was eclectic, for sure,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what people liked about it for
Speaker 1: the most part, because it was way more eclectic than
Speaker 1: FM radio, even because that was generally genre and they
Speaker 1: didn't jump around from Madonna to Iron Maiden on radio.
Speaker 1: Now for the most part. I mean, maybe there might
Speaker 1: be some like maybe k Rock was doing something like that,
Speaker 1: but generally you had to go to MTV to get
Speaker 1: metal at all. And then when they sequestered it to
Speaker 1: Headbanger's Ball, initially I think it was called the Heavy
Speaker 1: Metal Mania hosted by de Snyder, but then it became
Speaker 1: Headbanger's Ball with once again the great Ricky Rockman. Love
Speaker 1: that guy. At least then metal heads had a place
Speaker 1: to go where you could really sink in for a
Speaker 1: couple of hours, you know.
Speaker 2: For sure. The same with Member one hundred and twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: For New Rivers, that was Matt Benfield.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to see a bow House video, that's
Speaker 2: where you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: And if you want to know our metal bona fides people,
Speaker 2: we've been in the same room as d Snyder. He
Speaker 2: nodded to us once in passing in a hallway.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Headbanger's Ball also had some tours in North
Speaker 2: America when it was really big eighty seven, eighty nine,
Speaker 2: and ninety two, so.
Speaker 1: They really a festival thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much cool. Yeah, And then I think also
Speaker 2: we should we should mention too that one of the
Speaker 2: things about metal is that it has been and I
Speaker 2: think still remained pretty white, working class male for the
Speaker 2: most part, but it's definitely gotten more diverse than it
Speaker 2: was in the mid eighties.
Speaker 1: Say yeah, I mean there weren't a lot of bands.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were bands like Bad Brains that was
Speaker 1: way more punk but had metal sort of sounds with
Speaker 1: their guitar love Bad Brains, body Count came around. They
Speaker 1: were I mean, I think they were for sure kind
Speaker 1: of speed.
Speaker 2: Metal, yeah, but with with iced tea wrapping.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw them at that Lallapalooza. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: include Living Color at all. Does Sorry, Olivia, there.
Speaker 2: No Vernon Reid's guitar playing is metal?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I listened to the song Glamour Boys,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, well, that's kind of hair metally
Speaker 1: Glamour Boys, is it? Hey?
Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of hair metal, I forgot one great hair
Speaker 2: metal band, let's hear it that came out.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you're gonna say Europe.
Speaker 2: No, Europe's definitely in there with the Final Count. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: the Darkness. They're a great hair metal band, even though
Speaker 2: they're like, I guess, tongue in cheek. I think they
Speaker 2: know that their tongue in cheek. But they're really great
Speaker 2: as far as hair metal music goes. There talented musicians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was a wave around then where
Speaker 1: people started to kind of try to evoke that thing again,
Speaker 1: and The Darkness was in that group.
Speaker 2: And then Fishbone that was another all black band that
Speaker 2: you could make a case had some definite metal tendencies
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Not Living Color, definitely Fishbone. I loved Fishbone. Truth
Speaker 1: and Soul is one of the great albums of all time,
Speaker 1: and I saw them several times in concert.
Speaker 2: Okay, and then also Living Color featuring Vernon Reed. And
Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about women too, right. We
Speaker 2: talked about Elisa White Gloves from Arch Enemy. She's actually
Speaker 2: the second woman singer for Arch Enemy. There was a
Speaker 2: singer named Angela Gossau who was I think I replaced
Speaker 2: the original male singer of Arch Enemy again, a melodic
Speaker 2: Swedish death metal band. And then there's another metal queen
Speaker 2: out there who at least used to be a stuff
Speaker 2: you should know listener named Nita Strauss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nita's great. Met her backstage because she was kind
Speaker 1: enough to invite us to the Motley Cruz show where
Speaker 1: she plays still plays with Alice Cooper band, And I
Speaker 1: met Nita and she's super awesome and I think she's
Speaker 1: since gotten married, So congratulations on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's also in Iron Maidens, the Iron Maiden all
Speaker 2: women Iron Maiden cover band.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And guess what that Judas pre show
Speaker 1: I'm going to, Anita will be there because Alice Cooper's
Speaker 1: opening up.
Speaker 2: Awesome, dude. Well hopefully she hears this.
Speaker 1: I hope so, because we're not in touch or anything.
Speaker 1: I just remember she was super sweet and was big
Speaker 1: into science. That's really cool man kind of a science. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great guitar.
Speaker 2: Player for sure. Speaking of Jewish Priest, are you going
Speaker 2: to dress like a leather daddy to the Judas Priest show.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to dress like a leather daddy because
Speaker 1: I don't have those clothes and I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: Just what do you call that appropriate? Like a legit
Speaker 1: style for a demographic, But yeah, I mean that's definitely
Speaker 1: a heavy metal The leather and studs is a heavy
Speaker 1: metal trope like no.
Speaker 2: Other where did it come from, Chuck?
Speaker 1: I mean probably Rob Halford and going to underground gay
Speaker 1: clubs in London would be my guest.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. All of the like black leather, metal
Speaker 2: studded look that permeates heavy metal still in part to
Speaker 2: this day, came from gay BDSM clubs that Rob Halford,
Speaker 2: as far as I know, the only out LGBTQ medal
Speaker 2: singer went to while he was still very much in
Speaker 2: the closet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's great. It's amazing. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see. I'll send you videos and stuff, Okay, please
Speaker 1: do Yeah, just you, not everybody. That's maybe I'll post
Speaker 1: some on my Instagram account at Chuck the Podcaster, so
Speaker 1: be looking for that this fall.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, so Chuck. Speaking of tropes like dressing like
Speaker 2: a leather daddy to be a metal god, there's actually
Speaker 2: a few others that are. They're not necessarily like oh,
Speaker 2: this is a characteristic of metal. They're just things that
Speaker 2: bands have done and copied each other on over the
Speaker 2: years that now people say like, this is a characteristic
Speaker 2: of metal, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have to mention the decorative umlaut.
Speaker 1: It's one of the funniest, kind of greatest things and
Speaker 1: one of the biggest except for I think Blue Oyster Cult,
Speaker 1: who I don't consider metal. They have the umlout over
Speaker 1: the oh and the oyster, but it became very metal.
Speaker 1: There's no other way to make anything seem metal in
Speaker 1: writing than to There's certain fonts that we'll talk about,
Speaker 1: but if you throw a couple of decorative umwouts in there,
Speaker 1: it just looks more metal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think even Scandinavian bands that have their own thing,
Speaker 2: which is the the forward slash going through the oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they actually in some cases place that with
Speaker 2: an umlaut. That's how metal the umlaud is.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, And apparently a rock critic named Richard Metzler claims
Speaker 2: that he was the one who told Blue Oyster Cult
Speaker 2: to use that to use in umlaut. Unnecessarily, people say
Speaker 2: that Blue Oyster Cult was the one who did that
Speaker 2: like you said. And Richard Meltzer or Metzler also claims
Speaker 2: to be the one who suggests that they use more
Speaker 2: cow bell in their music.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I didn't see that coming somehow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes me very happy.
Speaker 1: Very nice. Classical music is an inspiration is definitely. I
Speaker 1: don't even call it a trope. It's just a thing
Speaker 1: in metal, the theatricality, the virtuosity and that technical ability.
Speaker 1: You know, you'll find that many heavy metal league guitarists
Speaker 1: were schooled in classical not the least of which is
Speaker 1: the great Randy Rhodes, who we'll talk about later. And
Speaker 1: Eddie van Halen, you know, took you know, classical piano
Speaker 1: lessons and stuff like that when he was a kid
Speaker 1: piano player. Yeah, not a metal god, but yeah, so
Speaker 1: classical for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is one thing to understand about metal
Speaker 2: across the board, in any genre or subgenre, is there
Speaker 2: are very few bands where that make music where you
Speaker 2: can suck. You essentially have to be an expert, extremely
Speaker 2: talented musician to play metal. Even the stuff that you're like,
Speaker 2: what is this? If you actually stopped and listened to
Speaker 2: the layers, the composition, the time signatures like this, is
Speaker 2: really complex, complicated music in every single subgenre. So like
Speaker 2: metal as a whole. As a group, metal musicians tend
Speaker 2: to be about as talented as you'll find in any
Speaker 2: rock outfit by far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they all have chops. That was another thing that
Speaker 1: got me a little bit into metal was I started
Speaker 1: playing guitar when I was thirteen and immediately subscribed to
Speaker 1: Guitar Player magazine, which was I mean, that's how I
Speaker 1: knew about all those guitar players. Emily always makes fun
Speaker 1: of me when she's like, uh, Judas Priest said, I'll
Speaker 1: go Glenn tipped it in KK Downing, and I can
Speaker 1: name all these guitar players. It's from pouring over that magazine. Like,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even that into Judas Priest, but I knew
Speaker 1: these guys from these articles.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I still to this day lament that I
Speaker 2: had a terrible teacher for electric guitar on my Salmon
Speaker 2: colored I don't even remember what kind of guitar it was,
Speaker 2: but I remember I complained about him before and someone
Speaker 2: who had that same teacher wrote in and was like,
Speaker 2: I know exactly what you're talking about. That guy sucked.
Speaker 1: Oh man, who knows what could have happened.
Speaker 2: They even told me the band. I can't remember what
Speaker 2: the band was. I wouldn't name check him anyway, because
Speaker 2: I don't want to shame the guy. But he was
Speaker 2: a terrible guitar teacher and I was really into it
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 1: Well that I got a BC Rich candy Apple read
Speaker 1: bc Rich guitar because of that early sort of hard
Speaker 1: rock influence. Because it's kind of a corny guitar. Now,
Speaker 1: did not get a warlock For people who know BC
Speaker 1: Rich guitars, that's one of the most metal looking guitars ever.
Speaker 2: Oh is it like the triangle, the flying triangle? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, that's a flying bee.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, bitch, they don't call it the flying triangle.
Speaker 1: It can. The flying bee can definitely be metal. But
Speaker 1: it also has been used in a lot of classic rock.
Speaker 2: Well, what's the one you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I'll send you a picture of it. It's you'd know
Speaker 1: it as soon as you saw it. Okay, you probably
Speaker 1: don't have your phone though, right, Oh, there it is.
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you and you'll text me after
Speaker 1: what else?
Speaker 2: Check anything else?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you got to mention Lord of the
Speaker 1: Rings because we kind of joked about it. But Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings has been in a lot of metal songs,
Speaker 1: like figuratively, like thematically and literally yes, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like the like led Zeppelin song about the
Speaker 2: Darkest Steps of Mortar, and all sorts of other stuff
Speaker 2: too and throughout like their whole catalog. I think who
Speaker 2: who else was well known for that. I think Megadeth
Speaker 2: had a song that was based on Aragon's speech in
Speaker 2: the Return of the King. Like it's a really recurring
Speaker 2: it is. It's a trope. There's no other way to
Speaker 2: put it. It's been in heavy metal from the outset
Speaker 2: still through today. People are referencing it in some ways.
Speaker 2: In some cases, like like there's a group called Bursom.
Speaker 2: It was a solo project by varg Vicarnes. He was
Speaker 2: imprisoned for murdering former bandmate Uronymous from Mayhew and then
Speaker 2: he was also charged with burning down churches in the
Speaker 2: He's from black metal scene anyway, does not talk about
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings stuff at all, and yet it's
Speaker 2: still from Lord of the Rings. Bursom is But this,
Speaker 2: I think kind of gets across how black metal. The
Speaker 2: Bursom project was. Bursom in Lord of the Rings means
Speaker 2: darkness in the black speech that's spoken in Mordar. So
Speaker 2: it's dark in the darkest place, and it means darkness
Speaker 2: in that dark place language. That's how That's how dark
Speaker 2: that black metal was.
Speaker 1: And their album cover is Banta black.
Speaker 2: No light can escape from it.
Speaker 1: We should also mention we'll take you break here in
Speaker 1: a second. We should also mention the Gothic font I
Speaker 1: mentioned fonts. You gotta have the right font on your
Speaker 1: metal album. Sabbath definitely was kind of one of the first.
Speaker 1: I think their album Sabbath Bloody Sabbath used the old
Speaker 1: English black letter typeface, and there's nothing spooky you're looking
Speaker 1: than black letter, you know.
Speaker 2: No for sure. But what's hilarious is it's just evolved
Speaker 2: and evolved and evolved to where very frequently you run
Speaker 2: across a metal album cover and you'll be like, what,
Speaker 2: what is the band's name? I can't I can't decipher
Speaker 2: this at all.
Speaker 1: I can't even read it.
Speaker 2: It's just so tangled, like I can't tell what it says.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when you find out the band's name, you'll be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I see it now, But other times I still don't
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. It's like a it's very spinal tab.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes it is. Yeah, and they definitely should at
Speaker 2: least get name checked in this episode.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah. Absolutely. In fact, just today at their neutral
Speaker 1: tailor for the Spinal Tap sequel dropped. Uh yeah, d
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good that great. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna definitely see it. I'm withholding judgment.
Speaker 2: It just it doesn't look very good.
Speaker 1: No, I think it was just I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a good enough concept, like get the old band
Speaker 1: back together for one more show. So it's not like
Speaker 1: the idea isn't solid, like that's a very like realistic
Speaker 1: thing for an old metal band. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see, all right, So enough of fine, so let's
Speaker 1: take a break and we'll talk about some brain stuff
Speaker 1: and album covers and social views and all that fun
Speaker 1: stuff right after this, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Chuck. So, if you are not a metal listener,
Speaker 2: but you're aware of heavy metal just in general, you're
Speaker 2: probably associated with satanic stuff. And again, yeah, in some
Speaker 2: cases you're absolutely right, and not like Satanic in the
Speaker 2: Satanic temple or Satanism, like Satan the folkloric mythological evil one,
Speaker 2: like some bands are super super into that, right, But
Speaker 2: there's also a lot of other stuff. Remember we talked
Speaker 2: about iron mat and having all these different themes to
Speaker 2: their songs. One of the things that metal is not
Speaker 2: necessarily known for, but it's a big part of it.
Speaker 2: They have like pretty strong social views, and if you
Speaker 2: really kind of drill down into them, it's essentially super populist,
Speaker 2: anti establishment, anti fascism, anti authoritarium messages. Frequently anti aggression too,
Speaker 2: especially the government on the government's half, the government being aggressive.
Speaker 2: You can find that throughout the entire metal community, and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people kind of overlook it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean cast aside the black metal scene, which
Speaker 1: can there, like you mentioned in I guess it was
Speaker 1: part one, where there's a lot of white supremacist threads
Speaker 1: and things like that and far right ideology. If you
Speaker 1: cast that aside, cast a side eighties hair metal, which
Speaker 1: just saying about chicks, one might make the argument that
Speaker 1: heavy metal is a very sort of low key leftist
Speaker 1: musical genre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like okay, So take Metallica for example, starting with
Speaker 2: Ride the Lightning, the title songs back from nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 2: it's it's basically about like how the it questions the
Speaker 2: government's state monopoly on violence, right, like their moral right
Speaker 2: to execute anybody. That's pretty anti authoritarian. It's also pretty
Speaker 2: libertarian throughout, So if this, if the lyrics aren't left
Speaker 2: leaning in general, they also tend to be libertarian too,
Speaker 2: and their whole album and Justice for All, song after
Speaker 2: song after song has a huge robust political message to it,
Speaker 2: basically across the entire album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. The song one Is is an anti
Speaker 1: war song, and Justice for All is about the corruption
Speaker 1: of the justice system. I the Beholder, that's about the
Speaker 1: repression of freedom of speech and expression.
Speaker 2: What else The shortest straws about fascism, which went writing
Speaker 2: through Blackened is a straight up overt environmentalist song.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know they literally talk about like poisoning
Speaker 1: mother nature.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you find this like it's not just Metallica.
Speaker 2: You find this throughout throughout the metal community. Like, even
Speaker 2: if it's not like clear immediately if you actually stop
Speaker 2: and listen to the subtext of what the song is saying.
Speaker 2: It's usually about the powerful and the elite being served
Speaker 2: at the expense of the masses. The populist masses. That
Speaker 2: is essentially what you can boil almost every song again,
Speaker 2: saving black metal and death metal too down into like
Speaker 2: that's the message of just about every metal song at
Speaker 2: its heart, at least yeh one song on the album
Speaker 2: It's going to be like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even old Dave mustay in with Megadeth. I mean,
Speaker 1: peace sells, but who's buying. Yeah, he's he's singing about peace,
Speaker 1: just like the hippies and the sixties might have been,
Speaker 1: just through a very different, you know, sort of genre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some people actually credit him for promoting metal
Speaker 2: music to have messages. He was taking a shot clearly
Speaker 2: at hair bands too at the same time, but there
Speaker 2: was an interview with him in the La Times in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six where he said a band should be
Speaker 2: aware of what's going on instead of being so wrapped
Speaker 2: up in themselves. C. C.
Speaker 1: Deville, that's apparely ironic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty misname, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: And then you know you have cases where like Pantera's
Speaker 1: former frontman Phil and Selmo was caught on video shouting
Speaker 1: white power on stage and giving a Nazi salute, and
Speaker 1: like the metal community was outraged, Like people came out,
Speaker 1: you know, speaking out against them, not the least of
Speaker 1: which was Scottian of Anthrax saying like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: a vile thing to do, and they were, you know,
Speaker 1: it was heartening to see that kind of thing, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean it was about as close
Speaker 2: to being canceled as you can get in the metal community,
Speaker 2: which isn't really a cancel culture, you.
Speaker 1: Know, is that not a thing?
Speaker 2: No? And then it actually goes all the way to
Speaker 2: the far left, and this is much less typical. But
Speaker 2: you have like grindcore bands like Napalm Death that came
Speaker 2: out of the hardcore punk tradition of being very socially left,
Speaker 2: even into like the anarchist territory essentially. But for the
Speaker 2: most part it's probably center left, maybe libertarian. Is the
Speaker 2: bulk of the messages that you'll find in metal music.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about how your brain does on heavy metal?
Speaker 1: Because they've actually done some studies that found and of course,
Speaker 1: you know, we should say there's there are people that
Speaker 1: struggle with mental health where music and certainly metal has
Speaker 1: had some negative impacts. Yeah, and there are examples of that.
Speaker 1: But you know, aside from that, it seems like metal
Speaker 1: actually like kind of tests and taxes your brain in
Speaker 1: a good way. Maybe taxes in the right way. It
Speaker 1: challenges your brain in a good way, yes, because it
Speaker 1: immediately starts firing to start making sense of this sort
Speaker 1: of musical puzzle and all these complex rhythms and time
Speaker 1: signatures that kind of go hand in hand.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so your brain basically is being worked out,
Speaker 2: like it's not just just sitting there like being vibed at,
Speaker 2: Like it's working trying to decode all this stuff. And
Speaker 2: yet paradoxically, for a lot of people, they report that
Speaker 2: it actually helps improve their focus. I think people with
Speaker 2: ADHD and people on the autism spectrum tend to report
Speaker 2: that heavy metal actually helps them focus better, which is
Speaker 2: pretty pretty interesting because if your brain's decoding that, you
Speaker 2: would think that it would be focused on that, but
Speaker 2: it's not. It's doing it can do that separately, apparently.
Speaker 2: And then also emotionally it seems to have positive effects too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean there are so many, you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands or millions of heavy metal fans that
Speaker 1: maybe desponded or angry or frustrated or sad or something,
Speaker 1: and this music provides a real outlet you know whether
Speaker 1: they're just in their room on their headphones or they're
Speaker 1: driving around in their car through their you know, weird
Speaker 1: suburbia that they don't relate to, or where they're going
Speaker 1: to a concert, and it provides a real legitimate release
Speaker 1: for that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not just like anecdotal. There have actually
Speaker 2: been studies that have been published in peer review journals
Speaker 2: that show that there are positive emotional effects that are
Speaker 2: experienced by metal heads from listening to metal music. There's
Speaker 2: one from twenty thirteen that studied four hundred and fourteen
Speaker 2: British metal heads and they found a mixed bag. Right.
Speaker 2: They found that they had a higher openness to experience,
Speaker 2: which is one of the big five personality traits generally
Speaker 2: considered positive. They have more negative attitudes toward authority. I
Speaker 2: can't really disagree with that if you are questioning the
Speaker 2: authority of a corrupt government.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Lower self esteem. Didn't quite understand that that might just
Speaker 2: be that metal music attracts people with lower self esteem.
Speaker 2: I don't think it gives people lower self esteem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the case.
Speaker 2: Greater need for uniqueness, love it, and then lower religiosity religiosity.
Speaker 2: That's not very surprising either. You know. I was like,
Speaker 2: are they playing them? Like, are they confused? And they
Speaker 2: think Van Halen's metal and that's what they're playing, like
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty four album. But it turns out like
Speaker 2: they're playing like legit metal stuff, like they played As
Speaker 2: I Lay Dying, Cradle of Faith Overkill, like actual metal,
Speaker 2: and they were still getting these results, which I found heartening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. There was another study I thought was
Speaker 1: pretty interesting from twenty nineteen. It was thirty two fans
Speaker 1: of metal, forty four non fans of metal, and they
Speaker 1: found and this one's important because I think, especially in
Speaker 1: the eighties with the PM rec there was a lot
Speaker 1: of just gobbedygook going around that like it's going to
Speaker 1: make your child something, it's going to make them into this,
Speaker 1: it's going to make them violent. And in that study
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, they found that metal heads have the
Speaker 1: same negative bias toward seeing violent imagery that people who
Speaker 1: don't listen to metal have. Even if they're listening to
Speaker 1: metal that has violent lyrics and themes, it doesn't then
Speaker 1: transfer like if they see an image of violence, they're
Speaker 1: still like, oh, I don't want to see that.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. I don't actually want to do that.
Speaker 1: Right, I just want to yeah exactly, it's just rocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It just keeps going on and on. I
Speaker 2: think the point of these studies, especially if you compile
Speaker 2: them together like weed, it is that there's this such
Speaker 2: a dumb misunderstanding or or yeah, wrong interpretation of what
Speaker 2: metal is and what it does. Again, accepting black metal,
Speaker 2: they're definitely the outliers here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So we talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about the genres and subgenres, but we'll dig in
Speaker 1: a little more here because it gets really confusing and
Speaker 1: I don't know many of these bands at all, but
Speaker 1: I feel like we should just mention a few of
Speaker 1: these subgenres, right.
Speaker 2: Do you want to? You want to go through this
Speaker 2: kind of anatomy of just a single subgenre.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, I mean, we're all those
Speaker 1: under math corps.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is where mathcore came from.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, So mathcore is a type of metal music, very
Speaker 2: very very niche subgenre, and it's so niche that the
Speaker 2: bands of this subgenre have names like the Tony Danza
Speaker 2: tap Dance Experience, where the Dillinger, Escape Plan, Okay, super
Speaker 2: niche and mathcore is a combination of metalcore and mathrock.
Speaker 2: And I know you know what mathrock is, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to listen to a little bit of that
Speaker 1: in college. That is rock music that's very complex musically,
Speaker 1: a lot of weird time signatures, a lot of starts
Speaker 1: and stops. If you've heard mathrock, and you may have
Speaker 1: heard it and not known it was mathrock, but you
Speaker 1: just thought, like, like, what an interesting odd band.
Speaker 2: So you've got mathrock mathrock, you said, with its interesting
Speaker 2: time signatures and very technical playing that evolved from prog
Speaker 2: rock like Rush, Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, from the seventies, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then mathrock was also influenced by jazz. That's just mathrock.
Speaker 2: That's one part that mathcore is made up of. On
Speaker 2: the other side, you've got metalcore, the other half of
Speaker 2: math core. It's a combination of hardcore and extreme metal.
Speaker 2: You might say, oh, okay, hardcore punk, no wrong. Hardcore
Speaker 2: is different if you're a purist, Yeah, from hardcore punk
Speaker 2: hardcore is like bands like Code Orange Vein. Hardcore punk
Speaker 2: is minor Threat, black Flag, They're very close to really
Speaker 2: they sound similar, but they're they're different subgenres. So metal
Speaker 2: core is hardcore and extreme metal, which is a big
Speaker 2: umbrella term for a bunch of other types of metal.
Speaker 1: Too, Okay, and extreme metal is also under mathcore.
Speaker 2: Yes, so extreme metal is one of the bases, or
Speaker 2: is the basis of metal core. And there's different types
Speaker 2: of subgenres in extreme metal. You've got death metal, black metal,
Speaker 2: progressive metal kind of like prog rock but metal, doom metal,
Speaker 2: stoner metal. These are all varieties of extreme metal. And
Speaker 2: so all of those can have their own core right,
Speaker 2: their own version of metal core. And so probably progressive
Speaker 2: extreme metal with hardcore, that version of metal core probably
Speaker 2: eventually led to metal core. This is how divided in
Speaker 2: and cut up the genre of heavy metal is. That's
Speaker 2: how niche it's gotten into. And again some people will
Speaker 2: come along and be like this sounds just like progressive
Speaker 2: metal to me, be like, no, it's mathcore, get it right,
Speaker 2: you know, that's essentially like I just find it fascinating
Speaker 2: that people have gotten that, Yeah, yeah, that into the weeds.
Speaker 2: And I've seen in a couple of places, probably on
Speaker 2: Redded or something, where people are like, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Let's just take a big step back and get out
Speaker 2: of this mindset because it's getting kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, there are definitely some genres that have subgenres,
Speaker 1: but I don't think there's anything that approaches metal even like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, even hip hop has a lot of subgenres,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it comes close to metal even.
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think anything does. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can basically take anything and give it several subgenre title
Speaker 2: suffixes or prefixes, and you probably have an actual like
Speaker 2: metal subgenre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2: I just found that interesting. I appreciate you taking that
Speaker 2: little diversion with me.
Speaker 1: I love it. All right, we'll take another break here
Speaker 1: and come back and finish up the part two of
Speaker 1: the two part duology, and we're gonna talk about album
Speaker 1: covers and the death of Randy Rhoades right after this
Speaker 1: all right promised talk of album covers. Want to give
Speaker 1: a big, big shout out to a guy named Blake
Speaker 1: Massey who wrote a really great article on the metalpit
Speaker 1: dot org, and also shout out Cherry Thomas from the
Speaker 1: Aquarian because Blake wrote a really really great piece on
Speaker 1: heavy metal album art and you know, basically kind of
Speaker 1: pointing out and making the case that that's where it
Speaker 1: all starts. Is like being in the record store seeing
Speaker 1: this imagery Black Sabbath kind of starting at all with
Speaker 1: just dark imagery, very provocative stuff. A lot of times,
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes they would hire out just a company,
Speaker 1: but I feel like, especially with metal, many times the
Speaker 1: band is very closely involved in the vision for the
Speaker 1: album cover, because I mean, album comes are always important,
Speaker 1: but it feels like metal they're even more important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just part of the experience, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you buy the poster even if you're like me
Speaker 2: and you're into Iron Maiden's poster art not really their music.
Speaker 1: Yet, Yeah, because it's legit, amazing art. I mentioned in
Speaker 1: Part one. I think about the Black Sabbath self titled
Speaker 1: debut album in nineteen seventy one of the most terrifying
Speaker 1: album covers I've ever seen. It's just a it's a photograph.
Speaker 1: It's got this cloaked figure. It looks like a woman
Speaker 1: state in front of this old like you know, torn
Speaker 1: down or not torn down, but just sort of dilapidated building.
Speaker 1: And this was in nineteen seventy when like psychedelia and
Speaker 1: colorful album art was a thing, and it was just
Speaker 1: very very creepy looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also said hey, everybody, like we're going
Speaker 2: in a different direction here, check this out. Like I
Speaker 2: can't imagine what that landed like, it must have just
Speaker 2: looked so different. Like think about led Zeppelin's album covers.
Speaker 2: The grimmest one they had was the Hindenburg explosion in
Speaker 2: black and white. Yeah, you know, like that was as
Speaker 2: grim as their album covers got. Like this is this
Speaker 2: is spooky, Like it's definitely different. I just think that's
Speaker 2: really cool, like to think back of just how some
Speaker 2: people must have seen this and been like I'm reborn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you know, there's a range
Speaker 1: like everything that you can look at something like the
Speaker 1: cover of Number of the Beasts. We already talked about
Speaker 1: the great Derek Riggs and Eddie their mascot, but if
Speaker 1: you look at their album covers Iron Maidens especially, they're
Speaker 1: just they're so intricate and there's so much to see
Speaker 1: when you sit down on your floor with your headphones
Speaker 1: on as a teenager. But they can also be a
Speaker 1: little more simplistic, like if you look at the great
Speaker 1: cover for Metallica's Master of Puppets from nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1: You know, a little can say a lot. It's just there.
Speaker 1: First of all, you gotta have a great logo, and
Speaker 1: Metallica's logo is always great. It is, as is Iron
Speaker 1: Maiden's Judas Priests has always had a great logo. But
Speaker 1: it's that Metallica logo and then that that cemetery with
Speaker 1: those crosses connected to the puppet strings. It's just like
Speaker 1: kind of chilling to see. So shout out to Metallica
Speaker 1: and Peter Minch who designed that one.
Speaker 2: And we talked about while I talked about Rain and
Speaker 2: Blood earlier, and its album cover is actually it's art
Speaker 2: like it's it's very clearly like a painting. I can't
Speaker 2: remember who did it. I'm not actually sure, oh Larry Carroll.
Speaker 2: And it's basically hell. It's just a landscape of hell.
Speaker 2: There's also the foreground in the laughter. There's some heads
Speaker 2: floating in a lake of blood. There's a goat on
Speaker 2: a thrown residing over this horrible place. The Pope is
Speaker 2: wandering around wondering what the hell's going on. But it
Speaker 2: has its own style even it's not like like if
Speaker 2: you look at Holy Diver, the Dio album cover. It's
Speaker 2: almost like it's cartoon realism. Almost this is this is art.
Speaker 2: It's like a style of a painter that the rain
Speaker 2: and Blood cover is, which makes it even more unsettling,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah, that Holy Diver cover is great.
Speaker 1: You know, Dio has an amazing logo and they also
Speaker 1: have a mascot named Murray.
Speaker 2: Did you know that?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I guess now that I think of some
Speaker 1: Dea artwork, I realized that I've seen that mask person.
Speaker 1: I did not know that his name was murdered.
Speaker 2: I didn't either. He reminds me of the Black Spy
Speaker 2: from Spy versus Spot. He's just not wearing the hat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I never really thought about that.
Speaker 2: I didn't him there until I saw him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just go check out the Holy Diver cover. It's great
Speaker 1: because Murray is kind of standing up, you know, behind
Speaker 1: a mountain, whipping a chain that's wrapped around a priest
Speaker 1: who is in the ocean with the waves lapping, and he's,
Speaker 1: you know, clearly struggling to stay alive and deal.
Speaker 2: By the way he took over for after Ozzie left
Speaker 2: Black Sabbath. He I think it was him immediately after Ozzie, Right, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was, but he was also in another band with
Speaker 2: an album cover that we talked about before. Rainbow. Their
Speaker 2: album cover for Rising is one of my favorite, not
Speaker 2: even just metal album covers, just album cover in general.
Speaker 2: It's got a very pretty rainbow on it.
Speaker 1: It is very pretty guns n' roses we should talk about.
Speaker 1: I mean, so, I don't really throw them in in
Speaker 1: the metal crowd, but I think maybe early on they
Speaker 1: might have been thrown in that group of hair metal.
Speaker 1: But you know, very famously, their original Appetite for Destruction
Speaker 1: artwork was very controversial for obvious reasons. You know, trigger
Speaker 1: warning here because it's drawn, you know, like a cartoon,
Speaker 1: but it depicts a sexual assault that's happened from a robot,
Speaker 1: and people were like, we can't put this on our shelves.
Speaker 1: Record stores were saying that. So Geffen Records was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe we are going a little too far here. They
Speaker 1: put that on the inside cover sleeve and then ended
Speaker 1: up with an iconic cover as a result that Again
Speaker 1: it's drawn like a animated sort of drawing, but it's
Speaker 1: that Celtic cross with each band member's head at various
Speaker 1: points on the cross and again another great logo it is?
Speaker 2: It turned out pretty good. I heard Geffen's first idea
Speaker 2: was to put a nice Price sticker over the offensive painting.
Speaker 1: Is that a joke?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 1: Okay? I mean it wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: Remember those stickers, the nice Price.
Speaker 1: That's right. I do want to mention the one more though,
Speaker 1: before we get to Randy Rhod's Quiet Riot, because they
Speaker 1: were the very first metal band to hit number one
Speaker 1: on the charts.
Speaker 2: With which one Metal Health or Come On Feel the
Speaker 2: Noise or both?
Speaker 1: Well? Metal Health that was the album Come On Feel
Speaker 1: the Noise was on that album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also released the song metal Health as
Speaker 2: a single.
Speaker 1: Right, that was also on that album?
Speaker 2: Right? So which one reached number one first? Or do
Speaker 2: you mean their whole album reached number one?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I got it finally everywhere you can stop screaming at
Speaker 2: your speakers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They they're the first metal band to have a
Speaker 1: number one record. Metal Health came out and kind of
Speaker 1: changed the game, and it featured the man in the
Speaker 1: Iron mask very famously. It's a pretty cool album cover
Speaker 1: and that guy was in the videos as well.
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to play that album during seeding for
Speaker 2: one of our shows. But those two songs are really
Speaker 2: the only good ones on there. The rest are just slimy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I've always skipped it. But yeah, metal Health is
Speaker 2: a great song, which is ironic. It's bang your head
Speaker 2: metal Health with Dragon Mad. I think he says it
Speaker 2: just like that. It's funny. It's a very slow song,
Speaker 2: so I mean you can bang your head to it,
Speaker 2: but you do it very slowly.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: So Chuck, you you had said you specifically wanted to
Speaker 2: end this on a huge downer, and I think you've
Speaker 2: really knocked it out of the park with your choice
Speaker 2: to talk about Randy Rhodes and his untimely death at
Speaker 2: age twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think we both had our kind
Speaker 1: of big things we wanted in here. Yours was iron
Speaker 1: maiden of mine was the death of Randy Rhodes because
Speaker 1: it was one of the saddest things to happen to music.
Speaker 1: A big shout out to Rex Thompson, he wrote a
Speaker 1: great piece on it for Live for Live music dot Com.
Speaker 1: But Randy Rhodes was a great kid. He was a
Speaker 1: very soft spoken guy, a virtuoso from the jump as
Speaker 1: a teenager, and so much so that when apparently when
Speaker 1: he was a kid practicing so much, his mom like
Speaker 1: called a doctor when it was like can this hurt
Speaker 1: my son's fingies? Like could this cause permanent damage to
Speaker 1: his little fingies.
Speaker 2: I've read also that she was a piano player, so
Speaker 2: she must have been he must have really been playing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So he formed Quite Right. I had no idea about this.
Speaker 2: My only understanding quite Right was from Metal Health onward. Well,
Speaker 2: all right, let's just be honest. It was Metal Health,
Speaker 2: that's it, right, So he formed Quiet Riot back in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three. I had no idea that Randy Rhodes
Speaker 2: was in Quite Right, or that Quite Right had been
Speaker 2: around ten full years before Metal Health came out.
Speaker 1: He was a child basically, and same you know, Kevin
Speaker 1: Duburrow is a singer and everything. But they signed to
Speaker 1: CBS Records. The band was kind of taking a different
Speaker 1: direction than he thought, like, I'm better than what we're doing,
Speaker 1: and he was right, and he left the band, was
Speaker 1: pretty frustrated, and he got a call that Ozzy Osbourne
Speaker 1: had left Sabbath and was forming a new band. And
Speaker 1: as the story goes, he auditioned for a very hungover
Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne and was warming up with some scales and
Speaker 1: Ozzy was like, you got the job, all right? Pretty great?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was it. So he became, i mean
Speaker 2: just an absolute legend thanks to his stint with Ozzie. Right,
Speaker 2: was Ozzy fantist Ozzy Osbourne?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 2: Ozzy Osbourne and the dow Wops or the five Dimes
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: No, it was just him. And you know, the saddest
Speaker 1: part about all this is that he was he really
Speaker 1: awoke something in Ozzie and became very very good friends
Speaker 1: with he and his wife. I guess they weren't even
Speaker 1: married at the time, but his eventual wife Sharon, who
Speaker 1: I saw at a restaurant in la last year, by
Speaker 1: the way, but he lived with them when he was
Speaker 1: in England and was part of the family. Basically a
Speaker 1: very playful, spirited, really nice kid and just absolute just
Speaker 1: slayer on the guitar until a very very sad day
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is terribly sad. It was so unnecessary. Randy Rose. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and again like this guy's finally starting to hit the
Speaker 2: stride that he has known he could get to his
Speaker 2: whole life.
Speaker 1: He was he was crazy trained. You know everyone's heard
Speaker 1: crazy Train, that's Randy Road.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So and he was also, like you said, he
Speaker 2: was a good guy. Like people just loved him, right,
Speaker 2: So he was twenty five at the time. It was
Speaker 2: the day after a show in Knoxville, Tennessee. The tour
Speaker 2: bus had made it out of Tennessee through Georgia safely
Speaker 2: into Florida, and they stopped in a town called Leesburg, Florida,
Speaker 2: to repair their bus, which makes sense because Leesburg, Florida
Speaker 2: is well known as the bus repair capital of Florida.
Speaker 2: And so they decided to take the whole day off
Speaker 2: the day they were going to spend the night in Leesburg.
Speaker 2: So they were just messing around that day. And again,
Speaker 2: they had a show the night before, and everybody was
Speaker 2: either hungover or still messed up from the night before. Apparently,
Speaker 2: Randy Rhads and Ozzie It had an argument backstage at
Speaker 2: the Knoxville show because Randy Rhodes was concerned about Ozzie's
Speaker 2: behaviors drinking. He was like, you're going to die young,
Speaker 2: You're going to kill yourself if you keep this up.
Speaker 2: Ozzy didn't like that, so he stormed off and they
Speaker 2: hadn't made up yet because Ozzie was still sleeping even
Speaker 2: and Randy was now awake and people were messing around
Speaker 2: in Leesburg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was sleeping on the bus. So the bus driver,
Speaker 1: he was a former commercial pilot. His name was Andrew Aycock,
Speaker 1: and there was a Beachcraft Bonanza propeller plane in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty seven Beachcraft on the property, and he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I can fly that thing. Let's take it first. Ben
Speaker 1: the plane was unguarded and so he and initially keyboardist
Speaker 1: Don Airy and tour manager Jake Duncan got on board,
Speaker 1: flew around a little bit and landed safely. And then
Speaker 1: after that he was like, hey, anyone, anyone else want
Speaker 1: to take a ride? Young spirited, awesome. Randy Roads is like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'll go up there. That looks like a blast, and
Speaker 1: then the seamstress for the band, Rachel Youngblood, also boarded
Speaker 1: the plane, and while they were up there, Randy Rhoads
Speaker 1: is like, hey, Ozzie's you know, sleeping off another hangover.
Speaker 1: Let's like buzz the bus and see if we can
Speaker 1: wake him up.
Speaker 2: So they did, right, they did four times and each
Speaker 2: time a Cock Andrey Acock was like, I can get close,
Speaker 2: we can do it faster, and they managed to do
Speaker 2: it three different times. On the fourth time, their luck
Speaker 2: ran out, and I guess his wing clipped the bus.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't take much pressure to send a plane
Speaker 2: going one hundred and fifty miles an hour careening, spinning
Speaker 2: out of control, and that's exactly what happened. The plane
Speaker 2: struck the ground and slid or hit a tree, and
Speaker 2: Randy Rhodes and Rachel Youngblood were ejected, probably dead immediately
Speaker 2: from the plane. I believe Andrew Aycock was left in
Speaker 2: the plane. It exploded into flames, but not before it
Speaker 2: had cruised into and taken a stop in some Poorschmoe's garage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ozzie slept through the plane, hitting the bus that
Speaker 1: he was on. Somehow that explosion woke him up, and
Speaker 1: apparently emergency services weren't quick quick to get there, but
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that everyone died immediately. The autopsy showed
Speaker 1: that Acock had still had cocaine in the system, and
Speaker 1: Ozzie was like, yeah, he testified that he was using
Speaker 1: coke like well into the night.
Speaker 2: He was he was the bus driver.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, well into the night. This was
Speaker 1: the next morning, and his pilot pilot's license had expired
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and you know, that was it.
Speaker 1: We don't have any like black box recording or anything.
Speaker 1: It was just a huge loss to the music world
Speaker 1: and a huge, huge loss to the Osbourne family who
Speaker 1: loved him so much. And Ozzie was already in bad
Speaker 1: shape and this was the beginning of a very very
Speaker 1: bad dark time for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, since that the Randy Roads death sent
Speaker 2: him spiraling down that path that Randy Rhoades had argued
Speaker 2: with him about getting off of in the first place, because,
Speaker 2: like you said, they formed some sort of bond that
Speaker 2: just didn't last very long and just broke Ozzy's heart.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, super super sad.
Speaker 2: It is sad, and I've been thinking, Okay, how can
Speaker 2: we end this on a slightly higher note? And I've
Speaker 2: got it, Chuck Kawhi metal. Do you know what kawaii
Speaker 2: means in Japanese?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Cute, right, so okay, cute kawai metal means cute metal.
Speaker 2: It's Japanese metal. It combines jpop right with metal, and
Speaker 2: it actually kind of works, so if you're curious about
Speaker 2: jpop metal or kawahi metal, look up the band's Baby
Speaker 2: Metal and Lady Baby, and that'll be a pretty good
Speaker 2: start down your journey into the jpop metal realm.
Speaker 1: All right, And I want to quickly I know I
Speaker 1: promised in part one the Rolling Stone top ten metal
Speaker 1: albums of all Time, so I don't want to leave
Speaker 1: that off, and I'll just quickly go through from ten
Speaker 1: to one. We've got Pantera with vulgar display of power,
Speaker 1: Ozzy's Blizzard of Oz at nine, Megadeth p Cells but
Speaker 1: who's buying it? Eight, Motorheads, No Remorse at seven, Slayers
Speaker 1: Rain and Blood at six, Sabbath self titled Black Sabbath
Speaker 1: at number five, A Number of the Beasts from Iron
Speaker 1: Maiden at number four, Judas Priest, British Steel Record at
Speaker 1: number three, Master of Puppets at number two from Metallica,
Speaker 1: and number one with a Bullet Paranoid from Black Sabbath.
Speaker 1: And I know what you're thinking, where else is Iron Maiden?
Speaker 1: They were also at thirteen besides number four with their
Speaker 1: debut record.
Speaker 2: Okay, I dispute a lot of that, but let's just
Speaker 2: not get into it, Okay.
Speaker 1: It's a rolling Stone list, you know how let's go
Speaker 1: they really I.
Speaker 2: Think they're just trolls essentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Probably, Well I think that's it everybody. That's everything we
Speaker 2: have to say about. Have you medal right now? And again,
Speaker 2: sorry we did not name check your favorite band. If
Speaker 2: you want to tell us to get into something, email us.
Speaker 2: We love that kind of thing. We hope you enjoyed this.
Speaker 2: We did the best we could. Thanks again to Olivia
Speaker 2: for taking this journey with us. And since I said that,
Speaker 2: of course it's time for listener mail.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to call an audible here,
Speaker 1: not going to do a listener mail. Instead, I want
Speaker 1: to shout out a book writer. Been meaning to do
Speaker 1: this for a while, and it kind of fits because
Speaker 1: I know that the author, Keith Rossen, is into some
Speaker 1: heavy music. I don't know if it's metal or what.
Speaker 1: I just know he's into some pretty hardcore music. I
Speaker 1: took a flyer on a book with a cool cover
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Finally took it on vacation. It's
Speaker 1: a duology called fever House and the second book is
Speaker 1: called The Devil by name great great horror books. I've
Speaker 1: never read horror in my life. There's a thread of
Speaker 1: humanity and the characters in the heart of his stories
Speaker 1: are incredible. And then you've also got good horror stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so recommend fever House and The Devil by Name from Keith,
Speaker 1: and then his upcoming book. I had shouted him out
Speaker 1: on Instagram. He got in touch, so we're kind of
Speaker 1: Instagram messaging now, and his book publisher sent me a
Speaker 1: galley of his new book out this fall. It's called
Speaker 1: Coffin Moon. This one's about vampires and it is great,
Speaker 1: and so sign up for the pre sale. It's just
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read what he does next. And
Speaker 1: Keith is like a super cool guy. So fever House
Speaker 1: to double my name in the upcoming Hoffin Moon, which
Speaker 1: that one's about vampires, Like I said, it's six like
Speaker 1: Keith Keith Rossen rosso Win.
Speaker 2: Okay, since you said that, I've been trying to figure
Speaker 2: out how to shout out two horror movies that I've
Speaker 2: seen recently that are like, oh great, these are the
Speaker 2: best I've seen in a really long time. Once Japanese,
Speaker 2: it's got subtitles. It's called Best Wishes Ringo. No, that's
Speaker 2: a good one. Though. This is called Best Wishes to All.
Speaker 2: It's it's a hundred times more off the chain than Ringo.
Speaker 2: It's not as scary as The Grudge or the Japanese
Speaker 2: version of the Grudge. It's it's just nuts. It's really
Speaker 2: good though. Another one is one of the darkest horror
Speaker 2: movies I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: It's centers on snuff films. It's called Red Rooms. They
Speaker 2: do such a good job that they don't even actually
Speaker 2: show any of the videos in question, and it's more
Speaker 2: about this woman's descent into madness, you know, being into
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. It's just an amazing, amazing movie.
Speaker 2: It's not for everybody, but it's if it is for you,
Speaker 2: you will love this movie. And I think if you
Speaker 2: can just get past the weirdness and enjoy it, I
Speaker 2: think and just about anybody could could enjoy. Best Wishes
Speaker 2: to All. I love it.
Speaker 1: I enjoy when we throw out these recommendations.
Speaker 2: That's great, okay, Chuck, that was great. That was a
Speaker 2: great end to the Metal episodes too. I think, good job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those were fun. I feel like we could have
Speaker 1: done a part three, four five, I think so to
Speaker 1: you to.
Speaker 2: Be honest, for sure, Yeah, if you want to get
Speaker 2: in touch with us about heavy metal or anything. You
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