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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too for part two of our

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Speaker 2: episodes on heavy metal the Music. Sorry all you ken

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Speaker 2: majors who showed up with different expectations.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to see the pope on the end

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Speaker 1: of the rope? Do you think he's a fool?

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 1: That's Sabbath which my brother always laughed at that line

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Speaker 1: which it's on. I think it's on Master of Reality.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the name of the song. I think

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Speaker 1: I said end of the rope, end of a rope. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: I'll bet your brother thought that it's funny.

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Speaker 1: He did. Yeah, I think that's the only thing he

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Speaker 1: knows about Black Sabbath, which is hysterical.

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Speaker 2: Some of it is pretty comical, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I guess let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: kick off part two with talking about Ozzie, because this

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Speaker 1: is a section where we're going to talk about some

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Speaker 1: some contra Ozzie and his day certainly had a few

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Speaker 1: of them. He was kicked out of Black Sabbath in

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Speaker 1: the late seventies because he partied too hard for Black

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Speaker 1: Sabbath even he was replaced by the great Ronnie James

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Speaker 1: Dio and went on to have a solo career. But

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Speaker 1: there are a couple of things that happened in his life,

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Speaker 1: notably biting the heads off of things that gained him

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Speaker 1: a lot of attention. At one CBS sales convention, he

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Speaker 1: was supposed to release these live doves and instead he

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Speaker 1: bit the heads off of them. And the story has

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Speaker 1: changed a lot over the years, so depending on who

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Speaker 1: you're talking to is what version. But he bit the

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Speaker 1: head off of one to shock people in a room,

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Speaker 1: and apparently was being let out, bit the head off

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Speaker 1: the other. There are also people that said that they

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Speaker 1: were not alive at the time. The same thing when

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Speaker 1: he bit the head off of a bat in Des

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Speaker 1: Moines nineteen eighty two on stage when somebody threw a

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Speaker 1: bat on stage right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And somebody tracked down the guy who threw the

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Speaker 2: bat and he said that bat had been dead for days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark Neil and I don't know.

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Speaker 2: What is worse, biting the head off of a live

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Speaker 2: bat or biting the half of a bat that's been

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Speaker 2: sitting around dead for a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: I I don't know, flip a coin, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Either way, I've I've reached a point in my life

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Speaker 2: where I can't even take talking about like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the way. I just don't kill the dog's That's

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Speaker 2: where I've gotten to in life.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, you know. Yeah, I mean he

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Speaker 1: snorted live ants beside a swimming pool on tourd Motley

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what did they do? Like, you know, nothing?

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Speaker 2: I think Ozzie was a cool dude in a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways, but he was also very hard to get around,

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Speaker 2: and that was one reason why I got kicked out

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Speaker 2: like their bandmates were partying as hard as they were,

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Speaker 2: sometimes harder, but they didn't turn into evil. Yeah, who

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Speaker 2: would like get in your face or try to kill you,

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Speaker 2: or like try to do something horrible and like ruin

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Speaker 2: everybody's time. That's how you would get kicked out of

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Speaker 2: We're going to replace you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that was definitely the case with Mustaane. I

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Speaker 1: think Ozzie was a little more. His reliability became an issue.

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Speaker 2: Oh is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that was a deal. But we should

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Speaker 1: the Satanic Panic episode, but you can't have a metal

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Speaker 1: Resource Center the PMRC in nineteen eighty five, led by

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Speaker 1: Tipper Gore, al Gore's wife. At one point, you know,

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Speaker 1: at the very least to get ratings on record albums.

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Speaker 1: So at one point they released their Filthy fifteen of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean def Leppard, Come on.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're they're considered metal, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying, not whether or not they're metal.

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Speaker 2: Same with the CDC and Twisted's sister, Like, what are

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Speaker 2: give me a break, Venom and Merciful Fate again. I

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Speaker 2: get why suburban parents were scared of these guys. They

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Speaker 2: they deserve to be censored. I get that one. But

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Speaker 2: Mandonna Prince def Leppard, like it's just it was. It

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Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of people say it worked. I mean,

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Speaker 1: You mean the Badge of Honor exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But some people say that MTV actually kind of was

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Speaker 2: that heavy metal got pushed a little bit out of

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Speaker 2: hour version of Hebbanger's Ball every week, which is not

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we said, but Iron Maiden had

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Speaker 2: and I think they were played more than once, and

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Speaker 2: the first one was sandwiched in between Rod Stewart's Sailing

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Speaker 2: and Ario Speedwagons Keep On Loving You.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the rotation for MTV was eclectic, for sure,

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Speaker 1: but generally you had to go to MTV to get

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Speaker 1: metal at all. And then when they sequestered it to

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Speaker 1: Headbanger's Ball, initially I think it was called the Heavy

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Speaker 1: Headbanger's Ball with once again the great Ricky Rockman. Love

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Speaker 1: that guy. At least then metal heads had a place

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Speaker 1: to go where you could really sink in for a

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Speaker 2: For sure. The same with Member one hundred and twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: For New Rivers, that was Matt Benfield.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to see a bow House video, that's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to know our metal bona fides people,

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Headbanger's Ball also had some tours in North

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Speaker 1: They really a festival thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much cool. Yeah, And then I think also

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Speaker 2: we should we should mention too that one of the

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Speaker 1: Say yeah, I mean there weren't a lot of bands.

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Speaker 2: Metal, yeah, but with with iced tea wrapping.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw them at that Lallapalooza. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: No Vernon Reid's guitar playing is metal?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I listened to the song Glamour Boys,

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Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of hair metal, I forgot one great hair

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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you're gonna say Europe.

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Speaker 2: No, Europe's definitely in there with the Final Count. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: the Darkness. They're a great hair metal band, even though

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Speaker 2: they're like, I guess, tongue in cheek. I think they

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Speaker 2: know that their tongue in cheek. But they're really great

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was a wave around then where

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Speaker 2: And then Fishbone that was another all black band that

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Not Living Color, definitely Fishbone. I loved Fishbone. Truth

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Speaker 1: and Soul is one of the great albums of all time,

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Speaker 1: and I saw them several times in concert.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and then also Living Color featuring Vernon Reed. And

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Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about women too, right. We

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Speaker 2: talked about Elisa White Gloves from Arch Enemy. She's actually

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Speaker 2: Swedish death metal band. And then there's another metal queen

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Speaker 2: you should know listener named Nita Strauss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Nita's great. Met her backstage because she was kind

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Speaker 1: met Nita and she's super awesome and I think she's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's also in Iron Maidens, the Iron Maiden all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And guess what that Judas pre show

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Speaker 2: Awesome, dude. Well hopefully she hears this.

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Speaker 1: I hope so, because we're not in touch or anything.

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Speaker 1: I just remember she was super sweet and was big

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Speaker 1: into science. That's really cool man kind of a science. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's great guitar.

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Speaker 2: Player for sure. Speaking of Jewish Priest, are you going

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Speaker 2: to dress like a leather daddy to the Judas Priest show.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to dress like a leather daddy because

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Speaker 1: Just what do you call that appropriate? Like a legit

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Speaker 1: style for a demographic, But yeah, I mean that's definitely

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Speaker 1: a heavy metal The leather and studs is a heavy

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Speaker 1: metal trope like no.

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Speaker 2: Other where did it come from, Chuck?

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Speaker 1: I mean probably Rob Halford and going to underground gay

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. All of the like black leather, metal

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Speaker 2: studded look that permeates heavy metal still in part to

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Speaker 2: this day, came from gay BDSM clubs that Rob Halford,

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Speaker 2: as far as I know, the only out LGBTQ medal

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's great. It's amazing. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they all have chops. That was another thing that

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Speaker 2: Oh is it like the triangle, the flying triangle? No?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes it is. Yeah, and they definitely should at

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Speaker 2: Right, Chuck. So, if you are not a metal listener,

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six where he said a band should be

435
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: aware of what's going on instead of being so wrapped

436
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: up in themselves. C. C.

437
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: Deville, that's apparely ironic.

438
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty misname, yeah for sure.

439
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 1: And then you know you have cases where like Pantera's

440
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: former frontman Phil and Selmo was caught on video shouting

441
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: white power on stage and giving a Nazi salute, and

442
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: like the metal community was outraged, Like people came out,

443
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, speaking out against them, not the least of

444
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 1: which was Scottian of Anthrax saying like, you know, that's

445
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: a vile thing to do, and they were, you know,

446
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: it was heartening to see that kind of thing, you know.

447
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean it was about as close

448
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: to being canceled as you can get in the metal community,

449
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: which isn't really a cancel culture, you.

450
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: Know, is that not a thing?

451
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 2: No? And then it actually goes all the way to

452
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: the far left, and this is much less typical. But

453
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: you have like grindcore bands like Napalm Death that came

454
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: out of the hardcore punk tradition of being very socially left,

455
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: even into like the anarchist territory essentially. But for the

456
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: most part it's probably center left, maybe libertarian. Is the

457
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: bulk of the messages that you'll find in metal music.

458
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: Can we talk about how your brain does on heavy metal?

459
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: Because they've actually done some studies that found and of course,

460
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: you know, we should say there's there are people that

461
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: struggle with mental health where music and certainly metal has

462
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: had some negative impacts. Yeah, and there are examples of that.

463
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: But you know, aside from that, it seems like metal

464
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: actually like kind of tests and taxes your brain in

465
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: a good way. Maybe taxes in the right way. It

466
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: challenges your brain in a good way, yes, because it

467
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: immediately starts firing to start making sense of this sort

468
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: of musical puzzle and all these complex rhythms and time

469
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: signatures that kind of go hand in hand.

470
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so your brain basically is being worked out,

471
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: like it's not just just sitting there like being vibed at,

472
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: Like it's working trying to decode all this stuff. And

473
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: yet paradoxically, for a lot of people, they report that

474
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: it actually helps improve their focus. I think people with

475
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: ADHD and people on the autism spectrum tend to report

476
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: that heavy metal actually helps them focus better, which is

477
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: pretty pretty interesting because if your brain's decoding that, you

478
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: would think that it would be focused on that, but

479
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: it's not. It's doing it can do that separately, apparently.

480
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: And then also emotionally it seems to have positive effects too.

481
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean there are so many, you know,

482
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands or millions of heavy metal fans that

483
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: maybe desponded or angry or frustrated or sad or something,

484
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: and this music provides a real outlet you know whether

485
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: they're just in their room on their headphones or they're

486
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: driving around in their car through their you know, weird

487
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: suburbia that they don't relate to, or where they're going

488
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: to a concert, and it provides a real legitimate release

489
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: for that stuff.

490
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not just like anecdotal. There have actually

491
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: been studies that have been published in peer review journals

492
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: that show that there are positive emotional effects that are

493
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: experienced by metal heads from listening to metal music. There's

494
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: one from twenty thirteen that studied four hundred and fourteen

495
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: British metal heads and they found a mixed bag. Right.

496
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: They found that they had a higher openness to experience,

497
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: which is one of the big five personality traits generally

498
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: considered positive. They have more negative attitudes toward authority. I

499
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 2: can't really disagree with that if you are questioning the

500
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: authority of a corrupt government.

501
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, for sure.

502
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: Lower self esteem. Didn't quite understand that that might just

503
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: be that metal music attracts people with lower self esteem.

504
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it gives people lower self esteem.

505
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the case.

506
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 2: Greater need for uniqueness, love it, and then lower religiosity religiosity.

507
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: That's not very surprising either. You know. I was like,

508
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: are they playing them? Like, are they confused? And they

509
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: think Van Halen's metal and that's what they're playing, like

510
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty four album. But it turns out like

511
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: they're playing like legit metal stuff, like they played As

512
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: I Lay Dying, Cradle of Faith Overkill, like actual metal,

513
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: and they were still getting these results, which I found heartening.

514
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. There was another study I thought was

515
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: pretty interesting from twenty nineteen. It was thirty two fans

516
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: of metal, forty four non fans of metal, and they

517
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: found and this one's important because I think, especially in

518
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: the eighties with the PM rec there was a lot

519
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: of just gobbedygook going around that like it's going to

520
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: make your child something, it's going to make them into this,

521
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: it's going to make them violent. And in that study

522
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, they found that metal heads have the

523
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: same negative bias toward seeing violent imagery that people who

524
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: don't listen to metal have. Even if they're listening to

525
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: metal that has violent lyrics and themes, it doesn't then

526
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: transfer like if they see an image of violence, they're

527
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: still like, oh, I don't want to see that.

528
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: Right exactly. I don't actually want to do that.

529
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: Right, I just want to yeah exactly, it's just rocks.

530
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It just keeps going on and on. I

531
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: think the point of these studies, especially if you compile

532
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: them together like weed, it is that there's this such

533
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: a dumb misunderstanding or or yeah, wrong interpretation of what

534
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: metal is and what it does. Again, accepting black metal,

535
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: they're definitely the outliers here.

536
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So we talked a little

537
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: bit about the genres and subgenres, but we'll dig in

538
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: a little more here because it gets really confusing and

539
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't know many of these bands at all, but

540
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: I feel like we should just mention a few of

541
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: these subgenres, right.

542
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: Do you want to? You want to go through this

543
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: kind of anatomy of just a single subgenre.

544
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, I mean, we're all those

545
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: under math corps.

546
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: Yes, this is where mathcore came from.

547
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure.

548
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So mathcore is a type of metal music, very

549
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: very very niche subgenre, and it's so niche that the

550
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: bands of this subgenre have names like the Tony Danza

551
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: tap Dance Experience, where the Dillinger, Escape Plan, Okay, super

552
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: niche and mathcore is a combination of metalcore and mathrock.

553
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: And I know you know what mathrock is, right, Yeah.

554
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: I used to listen to a little bit of that

555
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: in college. That is rock music that's very complex musically,

556
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of weird time signatures, a lot of starts

557
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: and stops. If you've heard mathrock, and you may have

558
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: heard it and not known it was mathrock, but you

559
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: just thought, like, like, what an interesting odd band.

560
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: So you've got mathrock mathrock, you said, with its interesting

561
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: time signatures and very technical playing that evolved from prog

562
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: rock like Rush, Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, from the seventies, right, yeah,

563
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: and then mathrock was also influenced by jazz. That's just mathrock.

564
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: That's one part that mathcore is made up of. On

565
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: the other side, you've got metalcore, the other half of

566
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: math core. It's a combination of hardcore and extreme metal.

567
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: You might say, oh, okay, hardcore punk, no wrong. Hardcore

568
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: is different if you're a purist, Yeah, from hardcore punk

569
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: hardcore is like bands like Code Orange Vein. Hardcore punk

570
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: is minor Threat, black Flag, They're very close to really

571
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: they sound similar, but they're they're different subgenres. So metal

572
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: core is hardcore and extreme metal, which is a big

573
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: umbrella term for a bunch of other types of metal.

574
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: Too, Okay, and extreme metal is also under mathcore.

575
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: Yes, so extreme metal is one of the bases, or

576
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: is the basis of metal core. And there's different types

577
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 2: of subgenres in extreme metal. You've got death metal, black metal,

578
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: progressive metal kind of like prog rock but metal, doom metal,

579
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 2: stoner metal. These are all varieties of extreme metal. And

580
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: so all of those can have their own core right,

581
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: their own version of metal core. And so probably progressive

582
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: extreme metal with hardcore, that version of metal core probably

583
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: eventually led to metal core. This is how divided in

584
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: and cut up the genre of heavy metal is. That's

585
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: how niche it's gotten into. And again some people will

586
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: come along and be like this sounds just like progressive

587
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: metal to me, be like, no, it's mathcore, get it right,

588
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: you know, that's essentially like I just find it fascinating

589
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: that people have gotten that, Yeah, yeah, that into the weeds.

590
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: And I've seen in a couple of places, probably on

591
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: Redded or something, where people are like, this is ridiculous.

592
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: Let's just take a big step back and get out

593
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: of this mindset because it's getting kind of weird.

594
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, there are definitely some genres that have subgenres,

595
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: but I don't think there's anything that approaches metal even like,

596
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, even hip hop has a lot of subgenres,

597
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: but I don't think it comes close to metal even.

598
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think anything does. I mean, you

599
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: can basically take anything and give it several subgenre title

600
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: suffixes or prefixes, and you probably have an actual like

601
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: metal subgenre.

602
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed.

603
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: I just found that interesting. I appreciate you taking that

604
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: little diversion with me.

605
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: I love it. All right, we'll take another break here

606
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: and come back and finish up the part two of

607
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: the two part duology, and we're gonna talk about album

608
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: covers and the death of Randy Rhoades right after this

609
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: all right promised talk of album covers. Want to give

610
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: a big, big shout out to a guy named Blake

611
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: Massey who wrote a really great article on the metalpit

612
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: dot org, and also shout out Cherry Thomas from the

613
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: Aquarian because Blake wrote a really really great piece on

614
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: heavy metal album art and you know, basically kind of

615
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: pointing out and making the case that that's where it

616
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: all starts. Is like being in the record store seeing

617
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: this imagery Black Sabbath kind of starting at all with

618
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: just dark imagery, very provocative stuff. A lot of times,

619
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes they would hire out just a company,

620
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: but I feel like, especially with metal, many times the

621
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: band is very closely involved in the vision for the

622
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: album cover, because I mean, album comes are always important,

623
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: but it feels like metal they're even more important.

624
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just part of the experience, you know. Yeah,

625
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: like you buy the poster even if you're like me

626
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: and you're into Iron Maiden's poster art not really their music.

627
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: Yet, Yeah, because it's legit, amazing art. I mentioned in

628
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: Part one. I think about the Black Sabbath self titled

629
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: debut album in nineteen seventy one of the most terrifying

630
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: album covers I've ever seen. It's just a it's a photograph.

631
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: It's got this cloaked figure. It looks like a woman

632
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: state in front of this old like you know, torn

633
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: down or not torn down, but just sort of dilapidated building.

634
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: And this was in nineteen seventy when like psychedelia and

635
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: colorful album art was a thing, and it was just

636
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: very very creepy looking.

637
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also said hey, everybody, like we're going

638
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: in a different direction here, check this out. Like I

639
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: can't imagine what that landed like, it must have just

640
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: looked so different. Like think about led Zeppelin's album covers.

641
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: The grimmest one they had was the Hindenburg explosion in

642
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: black and white. Yeah, you know, like that was as

643
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: grim as their album covers got. Like this is this

644
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: is spooky, Like it's definitely different. I just think that's

645
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: really cool, like to think back of just how some

646
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: people must have seen this and been like I'm reborn.

647
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you know, there's a range

648
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: like everything that you can look at something like the

649
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: cover of Number of the Beasts. We already talked about

650
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: the great Derek Riggs and Eddie their mascot, but if

651
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: you look at their album covers Iron Maidens especially, they're

652
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: just they're so intricate and there's so much to see

653
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: when you sit down on your floor with your headphones

654
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: on as a teenager. But they can also be a

655
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: little more simplistic, like if you look at the great

656
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: cover for Metallica's Master of Puppets from nineteen eighty six.

657
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: You know, a little can say a lot. It's just there.

658
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: First of all, you gotta have a great logo, and

659
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Metallica's logo is always great. It is, as is Iron

660
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: Maiden's Judas Priests has always had a great logo. But

661
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: it's that Metallica logo and then that that cemetery with

662
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: those crosses connected to the puppet strings. It's just like

663
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: kind of chilling to see. So shout out to Metallica

664
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: and Peter Minch who designed that one.

665
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: And we talked about while I talked about Rain and

666
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: Blood earlier, and its album cover is actually it's art

667
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: like it's it's very clearly like a painting. I can't

668
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: remember who did it. I'm not actually sure, oh Larry Carroll.

669
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: And it's basically hell. It's just a landscape of hell.

670
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: There's also the foreground in the laughter. There's some heads

671
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: floating in a lake of blood. There's a goat on

672
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: a thrown residing over this horrible place. The Pope is

673
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: wandering around wondering what the hell's going on. But it

674
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: has its own style even it's not like like if

675
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: you look at Holy Diver, the Dio album cover. It's

676
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: almost like it's cartoon realism. Almost this is this is art.

677
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: It's like a style of a painter that the rain

678
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: and Blood cover is, which makes it even more unsettling,

679
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: I think.

680
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah, that Holy Diver cover is great.

681
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: You know, Dio has an amazing logo and they also

682
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: have a mascot named Murray.

683
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: Did you know that?

684
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: I didn't. I guess now that I think of some

685
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: Dea artwork, I realized that I've seen that mask person.

686
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: I did not know that his name was murdered.

687
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: I didn't either. He reminds me of the Black Spy

688
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: from Spy versus Spot. He's just not wearing the hat.

689
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I never really thought about that.

690
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: I didn't him there until I saw him. Yeah.

691
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: Just go check out the Holy Diver cover. It's great

692
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: because Murray is kind of standing up, you know, behind

693
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: a mountain, whipping a chain that's wrapped around a priest

694
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 1: who is in the ocean with the waves lapping, and he's,

695
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, clearly struggling to stay alive and deal.

696
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: By the way he took over for after Ozzie left

697
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: Black Sabbath. He I think it was him immediately after Ozzie, Right, yeah,

698
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: it was, but he was also in another band with

699
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: an album cover that we talked about before. Rainbow. Their

700
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: album cover for Rising is one of my favorite, not

701
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: even just metal album covers, just album cover in general.

702
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: It's got a very pretty rainbow on it.

703
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: It is very pretty guns n' roses we should talk about.

704
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, so, I don't really throw them in in

705
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: the metal crowd, but I think maybe early on they

706
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: might have been thrown in that group of hair metal.

707
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: But you know, very famously, their original Appetite for Destruction

708
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: artwork was very controversial for obvious reasons. You know, trigger

709
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: warning here because it's drawn, you know, like a cartoon,

710
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: but it depicts a sexual assault that's happened from a robot,

711
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: and people were like, we can't put this on our shelves.

712
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: Record stores were saying that. So Geffen Records was like, yeah,

713
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: maybe we are going a little too far here. They

714
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: put that on the inside cover sleeve and then ended

715
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: up with an iconic cover as a result that Again

716
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: it's drawn like a animated sort of drawing, but it's

717
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: that Celtic cross with each band member's head at various

718
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: points on the cross and again another great logo it is?

719
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: It turned out pretty good. I heard Geffen's first idea

720
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: was to put a nice Price sticker over the offensive painting.

721
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Is that a joke?

722
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: It is?

723
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: Okay? I mean it wouldn't surprise me.

724
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: Remember those stickers, the nice Price.

725
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: That's right. I do want to mention the one more though,

726
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: before we get to Randy Rhod's Quiet Riot, because they

727
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: were the very first metal band to hit number one

728
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: on the charts.

729
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: With which one Metal Health or Come On Feel the

730
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: Noise or both?

731
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: Well? Metal Health that was the album Come On Feel

732
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 1: the Noise was on that album.

733
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also released the song metal Health as

734
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: a single.

735
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: Right, that was also on that album?

736
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: Right? So which one reached number one first? Or do

737
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: you mean their whole album reached number one?

738
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: Yes?

739
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: I got it finally everywhere you can stop screaming at

740
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: your speakers.

741
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. They they're the first metal band to have a

742
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: number one record. Metal Health came out and kind of

743
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: changed the game, and it featured the man in the

744
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: Iron mask very famously. It's a pretty cool album cover

745
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: and that guy was in the videos as well.

746
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to play that album during seeding for

747
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: one of our shows. But those two songs are really

748
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: the only good ones on there. The rest are just slimy. Yeah,

749
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: so I've always skipped it. But yeah, metal Health is

750
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: a great song, which is ironic. It's bang your head

751
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: metal Health with Dragon Mad. I think he says it

752
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: just like that. It's funny. It's a very slow song,

753
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: so I mean you can bang your head to it,

754
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: but you do it very slowly.

755
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: That's right.

756
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: So Chuck, you you had said you specifically wanted to

757
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 2: end this on a huge downer, and I think you've

758
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: really knocked it out of the park with your choice

759
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: to talk about Randy Rhodes and his untimely death at

760
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: age twenty five.

761
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think we both had our kind

762
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: of big things we wanted in here. Yours was iron

763
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: maiden of mine was the death of Randy Rhodes because

764
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: it was one of the saddest things to happen to music.

765
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: A big shout out to Rex Thompson, he wrote a

766
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: great piece on it for Live for Live music dot Com.

767
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: But Randy Rhodes was a great kid. He was a

768
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: very soft spoken guy, a virtuoso from the jump as

769
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: a teenager, and so much so that when apparently when

770
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: he was a kid practicing so much, his mom like

771
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: called a doctor when it was like can this hurt

772
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: my son's fingies? Like could this cause permanent damage to

773
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: his little fingies.

774
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: I've read also that she was a piano player, so

775
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: she must have been he must have really been playing. Yeah,

776
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: So he formed Quite Right. I had no idea about this.

777
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: My only understanding quite Right was from Metal Health onward. Well,

778
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: all right, let's just be honest. It was Metal Health,

779
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: that's it, right, So he formed Quiet Riot back in

780
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three. I had no idea that Randy Rhodes

781
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: was in Quite Right, or that Quite Right had been

782
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: around ten full years before Metal Health came out.

783
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: He was a child basically, and same you know, Kevin

784
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: Duburrow is a singer and everything. But they signed to

785
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: CBS Records. The band was kind of taking a different

786
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: direction than he thought, like, I'm better than what we're doing,

787
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: and he was right, and he left the band, was

788
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: pretty frustrated, and he got a call that Ozzy Osbourne

789
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: had left Sabbath and was forming a new band. And

790
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: as the story goes, he auditioned for a very hungover

791
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne and was warming up with some scales and

792
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: Ozzy was like, you got the job, all right? Pretty great?

793
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was it. So he became, i mean

794
00:41:54,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: just an absolute legend thanks to his stint with Ozzie. Right,

795
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: was Ozzy fantist Ozzy Osbourne?

796
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like Ozzy Osbourne.

797
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: Ozzy Osbourne and the dow Wops or the five Dimes

798
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: or something like that.

799
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: No, it was just him. And you know, the saddest

800
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: part about all this is that he was he really

801
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: awoke something in Ozzie and became very very good friends

802
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: with he and his wife. I guess they weren't even

803
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: married at the time, but his eventual wife Sharon, who

804
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: I saw at a restaurant in la last year, by

805
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: the way, but he lived with them when he was

806
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: in England and was part of the family. Basically a

807
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: very playful, spirited, really nice kid and just absolute just

808
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: slayer on the guitar until a very very sad day

809
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two.

810
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is terribly sad. It was so unnecessary. Randy Rose. Yeah,

811
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: and again like this guy's finally starting to hit the

812
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: stride that he has known he could get to his

813
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: whole life.

814
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: He was he was crazy trained. You know everyone's heard

815
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: crazy Train, that's Randy Road.

816
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So and he was also, like you said, he

817
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: was a good guy. Like people just loved him, right,

818
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: So he was twenty five at the time. It was

819
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 2: the day after a show in Knoxville, Tennessee. The tour

820
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: bus had made it out of Tennessee through Georgia safely

821
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: into Florida, and they stopped in a town called Leesburg, Florida,

822
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: to repair their bus, which makes sense because Leesburg, Florida

823
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 2: is well known as the bus repair capital of Florida.

824
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: And so they decided to take the whole day off

825
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: the day they were going to spend the night in Leesburg.

826
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 2: So they were just messing around that day. And again,

827
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: they had a show the night before, and everybody was

828
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: either hungover or still messed up from the night before. Apparently,

829
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: Randy Rhads and Ozzie It had an argument backstage at

830
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: the Knoxville show because Randy Rhodes was concerned about Ozzie's

831
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: behaviors drinking. He was like, you're going to die young,

832
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: You're going to kill yourself if you keep this up.

833
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: Ozzy didn't like that, so he stormed off and they

834
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: hadn't made up yet because Ozzie was still sleeping even

835
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: and Randy was now awake and people were messing around

836
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: in Leesburg.

837
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was sleeping on the bus. So the bus driver,

838
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: he was a former commercial pilot. His name was Andrew Aycock,

839
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: and there was a Beachcraft Bonanza propeller plane in nineteen

840
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: fifty seven Beachcraft on the property, and he was like, hey,

841
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: I can fly that thing. Let's take it first. Ben

842
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: the plane was unguarded and so he and initially keyboardist

843
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: Don Airy and tour manager Jake Duncan got on board,

844
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: flew around a little bit and landed safely. And then

845
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: after that he was like, hey, anyone, anyone else want

846
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: to take a ride? Young spirited, awesome. Randy Roads is like, yeah, man,

847
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: I'll go up there. That looks like a blast, and

848
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: then the seamstress for the band, Rachel Youngblood, also boarded

849
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: the plane, and while they were up there, Randy Rhoads

850
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: is like, hey, Ozzie's you know, sleeping off another hangover.

851
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: Let's like buzz the bus and see if we can

852
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: wake him up.

853
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: So they did, right, they did four times and each

854
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: time a Cock Andrey Acock was like, I can get close,

855
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: we can do it faster, and they managed to do

856
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: it three different times. On the fourth time, their luck

857
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: ran out, and I guess his wing clipped the bus.

858
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: And it doesn't take much pressure to send a plane

859
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: going one hundred and fifty miles an hour careening, spinning

860
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: out of control, and that's exactly what happened. The plane

861
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 2: struck the ground and slid or hit a tree, and

862
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: Randy Rhodes and Rachel Youngblood were ejected, probably dead immediately

863
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: from the plane. I believe Andrew Aycock was left in

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Speaker 2: the plane. It exploded into flames, but not before it

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Speaker 2: had cruised into and taken a stop in some Poorschmoe's garage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ozzie slept through the plane, hitting the bus that

867
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Speaker 1: he was on. Somehow that explosion woke him up, and

868
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: apparently emergency services weren't quick quick to get there, but

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Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that everyone died immediately. The autopsy showed

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Speaker 1: that Acock had still had cocaine in the system, and

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00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: Ozzie was like, yeah, he testified that he was using

872
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: coke like well into the night.

873
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: He was he was the bus driver.

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00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, well into the night. This was

875
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Speaker 1: the next morning, and his pilot pilot's license had expired

876
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and you know, that was it.

877
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: We don't have any like black box recording or anything.

878
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: It was just a huge loss to the music world

879
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: and a huge, huge loss to the Osbourne family who

880
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: loved him so much. And Ozzie was already in bad

881
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: shape and this was the beginning of a very very

882
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: bad dark time for him.

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00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, since that the Randy Roads death sent

884
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: him spiraling down that path that Randy Rhoades had argued

885
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: with him about getting off of in the first place, because,

886
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: like you said, they formed some sort of bond that

887
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: just didn't last very long and just broke Ozzy's heart.

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00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, super super sad.

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00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: It is sad, and I've been thinking, Okay, how can

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00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: we end this on a slightly higher note? And I've

891
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: got it, Chuck Kawhi metal. Do you know what kawaii

892
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: means in Japanese?

893
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: No?

894
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: Cute, right, so okay, cute kawai metal means cute metal.

895
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: It's Japanese metal. It combines jpop right with metal, and

896
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: it actually kind of works, so if you're curious about

897
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: jpop metal or kawahi metal, look up the band's Baby

898
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: Metal and Lady Baby, and that'll be a pretty good

899
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: start down your journey into the jpop metal realm.

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Speaker 1: All right, And I want to quickly I know I

901
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: promised in part one the Rolling Stone top ten metal

902
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: albums of all Time, so I don't want to leave

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00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: that off, and I'll just quickly go through from ten

904
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: to one. We've got Pantera with vulgar display of power,

905
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Ozzy's Blizzard of Oz at nine, Megadeth p Cells but

906
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: who's buying it? Eight, Motorheads, No Remorse at seven, Slayers

907
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: Rain and Blood at six, Sabbath self titled Black Sabbath

908
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: at number five, A Number of the Beasts from Iron

909
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: Maiden at number four, Judas Priest, British Steel Record at

910
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: number three, Master of Puppets at number two from Metallica,

911
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: and number one with a Bullet Paranoid from Black Sabbath.

912
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: And I know what you're thinking, where else is Iron Maiden?

913
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: They were also at thirteen besides number four with their

914
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: debut record.

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00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I dispute a lot of that, but let's just

916
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: not get into it, Okay.

917
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: It's a rolling Stone list, you know how let's go

918
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: they really I.

919
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: Think they're just trolls essentially.

920
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

921
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: Probably, Well I think that's it everybody. That's everything we

922
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: have to say about. Have you medal right now? And again,

923
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: sorry we did not name check your favorite band. If

924
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: you want to tell us to get into something, email us.

925
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: We love that kind of thing. We hope you enjoyed this.

926
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: We did the best we could. Thanks again to Olivia

927
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: for taking this journey with us. And since I said that,

928
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Speaker 2: of course it's time for listener mail.

929
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to call an audible here,

930
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: not going to do a listener mail. Instead, I want

931
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: to shout out a book writer. Been meaning to do

932
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: this for a while, and it kind of fits because

933
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: I know that the author, Keith Rossen, is into some

934
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: heavy music. I don't know if it's metal or what.

935
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Speaker 1: I just know he's into some pretty hardcore music. I

936
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: took a flyer on a book with a cool cover

937
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Finally took it on vacation. It's

938
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Speaker 1: a duology called fever House and the second book is

939
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: called The Devil by name great great horror books. I've

940
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: never read horror in my life. There's a thread of

941
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: humanity and the characters in the heart of his stories

942
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: are incredible. And then you've also got good horror stuff. Yeah,

943
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Speaker 1: so recommend fever House and The Devil by Name from Keith,

944
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: and then his upcoming book. I had shouted him out

945
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram. He got in touch, so we're kind of

946
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: Instagram messaging now, and his book publisher sent me a

947
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: galley of his new book out this fall. It's called

948
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: Coffin Moon. This one's about vampires and it is great,

949
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: and so sign up for the pre sale. It's just

950
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read what he does next. And

951
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Keith is like a super cool guy. So fever House

952
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: to double my name in the upcoming Hoffin Moon, which

953
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: that one's about vampires, Like I said, it's six like

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Speaker 1: Keith Keith Rossen rosso Win.

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Speaker 2: Okay, since you said that, I've been trying to figure

956
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 2: out how to shout out two horror movies that I've

957
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: seen recently that are like, oh great, these are the

958
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: best I've seen in a really long time. Once Japanese,

959
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: it's got subtitles. It's called Best Wishes Ringo. No, that's

960
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: a good one. Though. This is called Best Wishes to All.

961
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: It's it's a hundred times more off the chain than Ringo.

962
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: It's not as scary as The Grudge or the Japanese

963
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: version of the Grudge. It's it's just nuts. It's really

964
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: good though. Another one is one of the darkest horror

965
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: movies I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: It.

967
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Speaker 2: It's centers on snuff films. It's called Red Rooms. They

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00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 2: do such a good job that they don't even actually

969
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: show any of the videos in question, and it's more

970
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: about this woman's descent into madness, you know, being into

971
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. It's just an amazing, amazing movie.

972
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Speaker 2: It's not for everybody, but it's if it is for you,

973
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: you will love this movie. And I think if you

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00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: can just get past the weirdness and enjoy it, I

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00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: think and just about anybody could could enjoy. Best Wishes

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00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: to All. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy when we throw out these recommendations.

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Speaker 2: That's great, okay, Chuck, that was great. That was a

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00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: great end to the Metal episodes too. I think, good job.

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00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, those were fun. I feel like we could have

981
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Speaker 1: done a part three, four five, I think so to

982
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Speaker 1: you to.

983
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 2: Be honest, for sure, Yeah, if you want to get

984
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: in touch with us about heavy metal or anything. You

985
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: can send it via email, send it off to stuff

986
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Speaker 2: podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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