1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is not They call 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Paul Mission Control decades. Most importantly, you are you, You 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: you to know a bit of an expanded version. Why 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: am I hearing a new stuff they don't want you 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: to know? Episode on Monday? You may be asking yourself. 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: That is because Paul, maybe if we could get a 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: sound queue here, something dramatic, building, anticipation, perfect. Stuff they 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: don't want you to know is officially going to be 15 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: coming to you every single day of the week until 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: we go crazy, until we get disappeared, black bagged, etcetera. 17 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: Don't worry, We'll still have the same deep dive episodes 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: you know and love on Wednesdays and Fridays. However, we're 19 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: going to add some things to the week. This is 20 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: our first iteration of what we're calling strange news. So now, 21 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: with the help of my collaborators, co conspirators, the Esteemed 22 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Noel Brown and Matt Frederick. We are resurrecting, revising, grittily 23 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: rebooting Strange News Daily into Strange News. We sure hope 24 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: you like it. We've worked pretty hard on it, and 25 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: we hope that you enjoy it coming out every Monday. 26 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: That's our plan right now, right totally. Yeah, No, I'm 27 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: certainly excited about it, and I really appreciate everybody uh 28 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: tuning in for the first installment. And just to give 29 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of context, what's gonna happen here in 30 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: these episodes. Each of us is coming to the table 31 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: with a news story that we found to be intriguing 32 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: or weird or strange in some way, and we're gonna 33 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: essentially bring it up and then we'll all discuss it, 34 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: and all three of us are gonna get that chance, 35 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: and at the end, you have to vote for whose 36 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: is the weirdest. Now I'm just joking, that's not a 37 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: part of it, but we'd totally accept any messages saying, hey, 38 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: yours was the weirdest or yours was the whatever. Where 39 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: we're interested in what you think about all these stories. Okay, So, 40 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: without further Ado. I think I have the the honor 41 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: of of being the first to the table today with 42 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: an article UM from the National Review UM by Karen 43 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: hajar Um and the headline is US considers TikTok ban 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: as Chinese threat to global Internet freedom grows. There's a 45 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: lot to unpack here. I only just recently found out 46 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: about this and had to to hear more TikTok as 47 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: as many folks know. I know because my kid was 48 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: on it when it was called music dot l y 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: or musically it's sort of like an app that UM is, 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: I guess the new answer to Vine in the vacuum 51 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: where Vine was, where people were making short little videos, 52 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: whether you know, showcasing kind of dance routines UM or 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: a little comedy sketches or what have you. I think 54 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: about TikTok is a lot of it is meant to 55 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,559 Speaker 1: be lip sync too, and people copy each other's dances 56 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: or bits or you know, lip syncs or whatever, and 57 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: it's really gone absolutely bonkers since UM quarantine. People that 58 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: would have been you know, totally ragging on a service 59 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: like this or an app like this, or never in 60 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: a million years think they'd be on it, are all 61 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: over it UM and it is really taken the Internet 62 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: by storm. I think I read it's been downloaded like 63 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: more than a billion times or something insane like that. 64 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: But as it turns out, UM it is owned and 65 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: operated by a Chinese company by the name of Bite 66 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: Dance UM that has, as many corporations in China do 67 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: very close ties to the Chinese Communist Party UM And 68 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: in a recent interview on Fox News, Secretary of State 69 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: Mike Pompeo indicated that the United States is certainly looking 70 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: at banning outright TikTok. State Department already forbids it to 71 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: be downloaded on any you know, government issued phones UM 72 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: and it's really causing quite a stir. And the reason 73 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: for this is that the Chinese government is very well 74 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: known for their kind of iron grip on the Internet 75 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: of China and the way users perceive it. So for 76 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: a company like that to be so massive here in 77 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: the United States, there are potential, you know, conflicts of 78 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: interest there, I suppose is the term you would use. UM. 79 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm really interested to hear what you guys think about this. 80 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: The idea that they could use this social media platform 81 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: to stockpiled data about users or even go a step 82 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: further as far as spying on American citizens. Well, I'll 83 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: jump in quickly here bite dance by the way, B 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: y T E D A n c E if you 85 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: want to look it up for your own research. Um, 86 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: it feels a lot like conversations that maybe I haven't 87 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: looked at or heard news about in other countries when 88 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: they're talking about let's say a service like Twitter or 89 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: Facebook or some other social media that's a US based company, 90 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: where you're you're imagining that this perhaps foreign government linked 91 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: entity maybe gathering all the information of all the users 92 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: in your country that are downloading it. It's interesting. It 93 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: definitely feels like something that would be happening because we 94 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: know a lot of these companies, especially social media companies, 95 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: that have apps attached to them where it's physically in 96 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: a phone of an end user that that that user 97 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: is being tracked in some way, shape or form. You know, 98 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: on the surface, it's for advertising purposes, right, and it's 99 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: for making money for that app to be able to 100 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: sell that data to somebody else or to use it internally. UM. 101 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: When thinking about it, of the United States having or 102 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: thinking at least about attempting to put a stop to 103 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: an app and its use within the United States because 104 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: it is based in a foreign country. That that to 105 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: me is something brand new of at least something to 106 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: think about. Yeah. There, So I had some deep dives 107 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: in this earlier on on the original version of Strange 108 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: News Daily. There's a lot to it, and I think 109 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: in the West we are maybe missing some stuff here. 110 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: For shout out to everybody who was listening to this, 111 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: uh this very important news, and then said, why are 112 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: we worried about TikTok? Facebook? The Alphabet Boys and Google 113 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: are already doing the same thing and they're doing it 114 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: all the time. That's true. But to your point, all 115 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: the difference here is that legally speaking, the government of 116 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: China has uh much wider powers when it comes to 117 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: retrieving information from a quote unquote private venture. Uh, TikTok 118 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: is a is definitely a potential security risk. I mean, 119 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,119 Speaker 1: imagine you're a diplomat, your two kids love TikTok because 120 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: they do dance challenges. It's not hard to pull information 121 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: and then sort of Kevin Bacon degrees of separation your 122 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: way into what uh like diplomatic conversations. You just start 123 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: pulling the spider webs and pulling the yard. But but 124 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: here's here's one thing that's interesting because uh, you know, 125 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: in the US, a lot of observers are saying that 126 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: the White House or the current administration is behind banning TikTok, 127 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: partially because of a security concern, but partially because the 128 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: current president is angry about the effectiveness of TikTok activism 129 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: when hundreds of thousands of K pop fans started trolling 130 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: UH speaking events right reserving seats. Yeah, so that, I mean, 131 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: that definitely plays a part. But we have to remember 132 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: UH India band TikTok. There's a hilarious story. This is 133 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: in step, by the way, with UH the border clashes 134 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: between India and China, which very well may spark a 135 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: regional war. Millions of people tuned in on TikTok to 136 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: just watch this guy eat chicken wings. That's like all 137 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: he did until the lights went out on on TikTok. 138 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: And now, if you if you're keeping track of the 139 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: closures or the bands of TikTok, the US military or 140 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: the U. S Army excuse me, and the Navy have 141 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: already banned service members from using TikTok, at least on 142 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: their government phones. I think wells Fargo banned it too. 143 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: There's the Coastguard to come Coastguard, ye air Force? Uh 144 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: huh yeah. And so now the question is is the 145 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: US going to ban it entirely? And if so, if 146 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: they do, what happens Because India pretty much soon after 147 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: they banned TikTok, another essentially a TikTok clone that was 148 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: native to India rose in its place. I mean, wouldn't happen? 149 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: I did not know about that. But do you do 150 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: you see this as being in any way retaliate, retaliatory 151 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: by the Trump administration pointing fingers, for say, in their eyes, 152 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: causing the current pandemic that we are involved in. And 153 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: then and also you know the way China often uh 154 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: kind of holds our feet of the fire economically, is 155 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: this kind of our way of of kind of clapping 156 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: back a little bit? I mean, I I could only 157 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: speculate that that's a reasonable assumption. Like the main the 158 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: main issue or the main question is is there seriously 159 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: a security risk? And the answer is, of course yes, 160 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: because not just because it's TikTok or it's oh uh 161 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: in China, it's a security risk because it's a social 162 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: media app. That's kind of why they exist to each 163 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: and everyone, uh each sorry, the majority of popular social 164 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: media apps are trojan horses or have the potential to 165 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: be such. But to your point about whether this is retaliatory, 166 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: we have to remember that there is a there's very 167 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: much a cold war going on right now between China 168 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: and the US, and it's taken place across the internet, 169 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: across the South China Sea, in trade room talks, everywhere. 170 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: It's it's escalating apps really and also to your point, 171 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: been these bands, you know, within the military branch of 172 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: the military have been in place since last year, since 173 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: December or January. Even so, any retaliate, retaliatory you know, 174 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: implication would just be in making it larger scale, bat 175 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: banning it among you know, my kid, for example, who 176 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: would be crushed. That is her social media platform of choice. 177 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, Like that is where she has the 178 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: most followers and interacts with you know, her cosplay friends, 179 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: and it's a thing, um and and it really is. 180 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: Largely I think maybe some of the concern is coming 181 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: from just the ballooning popularity of the app. And and 182 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: something I didn't realize is using something called shadow bands, 183 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: which is something that's employed UH in general by social 184 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: media companies UM for example, against sex workers oftentimes sex 185 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: workers or shadow band because of their content and rather 186 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: than just being you know, canceled or having their credentials revoked, 187 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: their content just isn't reaching their followers. So it's a 188 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: way to limit who acts chilly sees content that's being 189 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: put out. And for example, there was some evidence that 190 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: a user in twenty nineteen UM for Rosa Azaz had 191 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: her account suspended after putting up a makeup tutorial that 192 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: had some kind of um almost uh subconscious or sort 193 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: of like secretly kind of veiled UM criticisms of Chinese 194 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: massed attention of of the weaker Muslim population UM in 195 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: Xianjiang Province and also references to things like Tianamen Square 196 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: or the protests that are going on in Hong Kong. 197 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: Also uh, they have a way of kind of making 198 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: sure that stuff doesn't filter through even to US users. 199 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: One interesting thing to point out here with regards to 200 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: TikTok's data is that the company says at least that 201 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: the user data that it stores is not physically located 202 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: in China and it is backed up elsewhere in Singapore, 203 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: at least according to Wired. And here's a quote here, 204 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: our data centers are located entirely outside of China and 205 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: none of our data is subject to Chinese law. That's 206 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: a company's statement from TikTok Um. So I mean, that's 207 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: interesting alone there when you're thinking that the Chinese government, 208 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: the Communist Party would have to go, I don't know, 209 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: to some lengths to get that information if they were 210 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: attempting to use it for some nefarious purpose. Um, you know, 211 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: who's to say TikTok doesn't wouldn't have some kind of 212 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: back room deal with a with a government or a company. 213 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: But Bite Dance actually in the past has had some 214 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: some issues with the Chinese government in the Communist Party 215 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: in some other social media news apps that is created 216 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: in the past, and the CEO actually at one point 217 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: had to make a public apology about the use of 218 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: those apps, which is interesting to me. I don't know, 219 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: but that the quote is really telling, and you know, 220 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: it speaks to a lot of other things we've discussed 221 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: on this show. But I'm just gonna say right here, uh, 222 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: he says the product has gone astray posting content that 223 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: goes against socialist core values. It's all on me. I 224 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: accept all the punishment since it failed to direct public 225 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: opinion in the right way. WHOA, Yeah, that's a question 226 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: I had for you, Ben. I mean, if we take 227 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: a like a real, like sci fi kind of dystopian 228 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: approach to this, is this kind of infiltration with an 229 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: app that catches on with the youth, a way to 230 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: spread communism abroad away to you know, make a new 231 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: generation of American you know kids, Okay? With that? Is 232 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: there the potential for indoctrination subtle ways? You know what 233 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean? I just wonder, I mean, and that that's 234 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: an interesting question or because it would be uh, it 235 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: would technically I think falling of the category of what's 236 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: called soft diplomacy. Uh. That's a more physical example of 237 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: that would be the Confucius Institutes that opened up around 238 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: the world to familiarize people with the what the Communist 239 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: Party considers official Chinese culture. And we have to admit, 240 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: Chinese culture is super cool. Just the history is amazing. 241 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: But um, but right now, the PRC globally is a 242 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: little more concerned with domestic information control than they are 243 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: with expansion of information globally or expansion of narrative. Globally, 244 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: you'll see you'll see narrative expansion in terms of UH 245 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,479 Speaker 1: directed focused efforts to certain regions of the world or countries. 246 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: But but right now, the US, maybe we're being US 247 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: centric here. Right now, the US is not UH is 248 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: not especially receptive the common person in the US too, 249 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: UH that kind of propaganda. If they were doing it, 250 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: it feels like it definitely has the ability to be 251 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: or the capacity to become an intelligence gathering tool. And 252 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam is super super worried about it. But right now, 253 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: right now, we don't. I don't know. It seems more 254 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: likely that if there were Nafari's end or an ulterior 255 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: motive for propagating TikTok, it would be to gather intelligence 256 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: more so than to win hearts and minds. But I mean, 257 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: you could do it just get people to copy the 258 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: right dance, you know, right right. And just to point 259 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,479 Speaker 1: out that the National Review is is a right wing publication, 260 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: but this is a national story and we have multiple 261 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: other sources for this, but from that perspective, um, this 262 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: is a quote from the article, and I think this 263 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: is interesting because it's sort of what we were just 264 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: talking about in the ace of China's threats to the 265 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: freedom of the world's Internet, the Trump administration should be 266 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: applauded for considering a ban on TikTok. As Chinese censorship, surveillance, 267 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: and propaganda spread worldwide, the US has a chance to 268 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: fight back and change the trajectory of the information age 269 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: for the better. Yeah. I mean again, it's sort of Uh. 270 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: If you wanted to be absolutely brutal about it and 271 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: a little bit cold, you could say maybe the US 272 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: or maybe the West in general, is not so much 273 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: upset that social media is used for intelligence gathering as 274 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: they are that someone else is getting the benefits, you 275 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: know what I mean, because US didn't hasn't raised a 276 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: big stink about Facebook. It is a really interesting time 277 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: we're living in where a big move, a big political 278 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: or almost a long game move, is to ban a 279 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: competitive country tech companies. Isn't that that's so strange to 280 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: me that that's a chess move at this point, Um 281 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: ban it and then like kind of, as we alluded 282 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: to earlier, introduce your own version of whatever that thing 283 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: was that was extremely popular. Huh, because it really could be, 284 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: or at least has the potential, no matter how minute 285 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: to be a way of spying on some other countries citizens. Yeah. 286 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 1: What I really appreciate about that point, met, is that 287 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: you're putting into context a larger pattern. We can't forget 288 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: that there are multiple countries that have said, forget the 289 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: World Wide Internet, We're going to make our own Internet. 290 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: Insert bender from Futurama joke here. But the idea is 291 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: that we want to the people in power, the people 292 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: responsible for making decisions. We want to have vertical control, 293 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: we want stem to stern, soup to nuts, control all 294 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: of all the capabilities of something. And we definitely don't 295 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: want back doors in any technology from a foreign source, 296 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: which is you know, by the way, Uh, the reason 297 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: that the US wants to be careful about that is 298 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: because we know people do it, because we do it 299 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: all the time. We're all the protagonists and antagonists at 300 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: all times. Guys, no percent, it's interesting to even think 301 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: about it from that perspective. But you got it. You 302 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: nailed it back. Um. I think there's a story that 303 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: we're going to continue looking into and seeing as it develops, 304 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: and maybe even do it do more on it down 305 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: the road. But in the meantime, we've got some more 306 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: strange news coming your way. After quick wordsrom our sponsor, 307 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: and we've returned. Let's stay on the Asian continent for 308 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: our second story today. As long time listeners know several 309 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: of us, I guess I should just out myself here 310 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: and have a weird fascination longstanding with the Democratic People's 311 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: Republic of Korea the DPRK, better known as North Korea 312 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: here in the West, UH. North Korea is also called 313 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: the Hermit Kingdom. UH. It has been in a state 314 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: of unending war officially UH since the fifties. It is distinct, 315 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: it's dangerous, UH. It's it's a scary place, UH. And 316 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: it's also an opaque place. A lot of people have 317 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: no idea what's really happening on the ground there. Before 318 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: the proliferation a very affordable communications technology, it was almost 319 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: a black box, and we only knew people we being 320 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: everyone who lives outside of North Korea, we only knew 321 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: what was going on in there based on reports of 322 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: defectors that sometimes couldn't be proven or cooperated, or based 323 00:20:54,119 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: on very limited human intelligence, relatively limited satellite imaging technology. 324 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: That's changed now in a globally connected world, but we 325 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: still don't really know what's going on, and that is 326 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: why UH many many people across the globe now are 327 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: very concerned about the succession of power in North Korea. 328 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: North Korea is currently ruled by a guy named Kim 329 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: Jong oon. We've discussed him in several previous episodes. Here 330 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: is the grandson of Kim Il sung, who is who 331 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: is considered the eternal president of the country and was 332 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: the founder of what we call DPRK today. However, if 333 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: you'll recall UH, relatively recently, Kim Jong un disappeared for 334 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: some amount of time, and this led to pretty alarmists, 335 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: kind of breathless pearl clutching reports in the US and 336 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: in South Korea that he had died i'd possibly due 337 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: to COVID nineteen, possibly due to any number of his 338 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: health issues, including UH, he's got a bum ticker apparently, UH. 339 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: And then surprise, surprise, he did, like a dictator power move. 340 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: He came back out. At first, we thought maybe it 341 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: was just a video that had been archived and they 342 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: were just trying to maintain stability. But there's something else 343 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: interesting happening UH that I thought would bear discussion here. 344 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: His sister UH is quickly becoming the favorite to be 345 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: the next leader of North Korea. Her name is Kim 346 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 1: Yo jong. Uh and this story I would categorize as 347 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: a weird flex guys. Uh. One of the biggest news 348 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: stories in domestic North Korean media is that Kim Yo 349 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: Jong officially got permission from the government to watch the 350 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: US celebrations of July four, not just for this year, 351 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: but year going forward. And this sounds like a small 352 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: deal to us, but it's a big big deal there 353 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: because it's a very propaganda sensitive country and July four 354 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: is one of the most propagandistic things that America does. 355 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: Just like watch like on like a feed, like watch 356 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: news coverage or what are we talking here? DVDs? Wow, 357 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: that is wild. But I I just I guess I 358 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: don't understand because it's on the face, as you said, 359 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: fully propaganda being exported by the US, by any country 360 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: that's celebrating a day like that of their independence or 361 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: their founding or something like that. I mean, it's almost 362 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: like on the face of it, Hey, guess what, guys, everybody, 363 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: even in the country where we're celebrating, this is kind 364 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: of propaganda for how great we are. It's interesting that 365 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: she would need permission to watch that. Huh yeah, yeah, 366 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: and this is uh, this is something that is confirmed 367 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: by North Korean state media, uh, which is a real 368 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: it's real eye opener to read that stuff. Just the 369 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: way that it's written. It's kind of like they're there, 370 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: the official messages. It sounds like the person writing them 371 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: is paid per amounts of times they pick up the 372 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: thesaurus by their keyboard. But it's really fun read. However, 373 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: we can't dismiss this just as propaganda because you know, 374 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: you have to study the enemy to know the enemy, right. Uh. 375 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: This also was not a move occurring in a vacuum. Uh. 376 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: It was Kim Yo jong, not Kim Jong un, who 377 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: just koboshed the idea of another summit with the United States. 378 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: He said, no, we don't need it. Uh. Mainly, you know, 379 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: in geopolitical circles, it's it's pretty clear that the current 380 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: US administration sees those summits as tremendous pr opportunities and 381 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a win when it comes 382 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: to the votes and the elections coming up in November. 383 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: But the weird thing is, it seems that Kim Yo 384 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: jong is very into the internet because uh, cyber warfare 385 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: campaigns are picking up at an unprecedented rate. You're not 386 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: gonna see this entire story laid out in a single 387 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: news article. We had to pull a couple of things 388 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: to get here. But cyber warfare, asymmetrical warfare online is 389 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: like the best move if you are outnumbered in a 390 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: conventional military. And we don't know yet. Really it's still 391 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: such a secretive regime or a secretive government. We don't 392 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: know yet what's going to happen. We don't know how 393 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: long Kim Jong Oon is gonna last. We don't know 394 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: if his sister will become the first female leader of 395 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: the country. Um, we don't know if the country is 396 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: gonna collapse. Honestly, the signals that we're getting from this 397 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: are our distressing. They haven't really they're they're being mentioned 398 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: in one offs in western news. But without making a prediction, 399 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: I I would say keep your eye on this country because, uh, 400 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: it's not equipped to handle COVID nineteen. The populace is 401 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: aware that there is a world where you're less likely 402 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: to starve. Just over the border, people are risking life 403 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: and limb to get out of there, and where we 404 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: may see the collapse of North Korea within our lifetime. Question, um, 405 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: and and forgive me if you mention this and I 406 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: missed it. Why why does she want to she is 407 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: she is a younger generation that's fascinated by American culture. 408 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: Is that what? Or is there something else to it 409 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: that that I'm missing? I think it's a it's again. 410 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: I think it's studying the enemy. But you raise a 411 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: good point about fascination with Western culture. It's weird because 412 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: the it's weird because Kim Jong moon was educated at 413 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: a very posh school in Europe and he loves US basketball. Uh, 414 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: he loves American films, you know. Culture. I guess you 415 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: could say culture and war are two of the primary 416 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: exports of the United States. Uh. And he definitely loves 417 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: the culture part. So his sister may like that as well. 418 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: It may just be a I like to watch the 419 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: show kind of thing. But I wouldn't be surprised if 420 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: we're going to see some modeling of of US propaganda 421 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: techniques used in North Korea to great effect. The US 422 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: is good at propaganda. We do it all the time. 423 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: Nobody talks about it, but we do it uh to ourselves, 424 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: and that's what really hurts to quote radiohead excellent. I 425 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: would point out just I am fascinated by the language 426 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: Kim Yo jong uses, And tell me what you guys 427 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: think about this. I'll read a quick quote from this 428 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: political article that we found here. Um, they're they're talking 429 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: about reigniting these talks and how the United States, or 430 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: at least the Trump administration has been saying that, Hey, 431 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: there's a possibility we're gonna get back into these nuclear 432 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: discussions with the DPRK. And this is what can you know? 433 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: John had to say, quote, assuming that we hold the 434 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: summit talks now, it is too obvious that it will 435 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: only be used as boring boasting coming from someone's pride, 436 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: which is really interesting. Like you said that, Um, I 437 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: think both sides, if you want to call them that, 438 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: in this kind of exchange, are are very good at 439 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 1: what they do when they signal publicly about one or 440 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: the other. And then she she continued down the line 441 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: there within wherever they're quoting from in this political article 442 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: to reference the Christmas gift. The was referenced prior to 443 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: this time by Kim Jong n about essentially a nuclear 444 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: weapon that could be sent somewhere fairly close to them 445 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: on the eve of the elections is what she's referring 446 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: to here. So like, as the Trump administration is going 447 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: into an election, they are saying, yeah, you just remember, 448 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: we could give you a little nuclear gift on that 449 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: day if we wanted to. UM. I think it's just 450 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: fascinating to read the language of this what do you 451 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: call it, the back and forth almost cold war uh 452 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: exchanges that go across the bow here. It's almost like 453 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: a form of one upsmanship in some weird way. You're 454 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: you're very very close the phrases brinksmanship, and it's exactly 455 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's basically so much of so 456 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: much of international affairs is like we've used this analogy before. 457 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: Uh We've said international affairs as a house party where 458 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: everybody thought there would be enough beer and uh snacks 459 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: to go around, and now they find out there's much 460 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: less and they're fighting for it. But in this situation 461 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: and people are uh, in this situation where there's conflict involved, 462 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: it's like the world stage is a crowded bar and 463 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: there you know, the nations saying they're going to fight 464 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: are going like, you know, come at me, bro come 465 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: at me. Why you bump me? Why you bump me, bro, 466 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: and then uh, they're getting their friends to like hold 467 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: them back, and they're like, hold me back, China, hold 468 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: me back. You got my back, right, Okay, come at me, bro, 469 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: Christmas gift what? And this It feels silly, but it 470 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: but it can be really dangerous and I know it's. Um. 471 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: The reason I wanted to bring this up on on 472 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: today's show is because we're seeing a lot of reports 473 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: about horrific things happening in detainment camps in China, in uh, 474 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: detainment camps here in the US. UH. And we have 475 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: to remember that these kind of camps have existed for 476 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: decades and decades in North Korea, and the West knows, 477 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: the West new. The West is never interfered beyond you know, 478 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: sanctions often related more to the nuclear weaponry than human rights. 479 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: So at this point, given the instability, I mean, North 480 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: Korea just let out an official statement admitting that COVID 481 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: nineteen is spreading, and they said stopping COVID nineteen is 482 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: more important than the economy, which is a lesson some 483 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: other countries could learn. I imagine, uh, some some people 484 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: would say, but keep an eye out for it. It 485 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: is in a more unstable time than it has been 486 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: since Kim Jong il originally took power after the death 487 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: of Kim Il sung. But assuming we don't fall into 488 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: the grips of a global nuclear exchange, we're gonna pause 489 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor and we'll be back 490 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: with more strange news. And we're back. What are you? 491 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: What are you saying that it falls to you? You've 492 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: been telling us offt air that we're gonna get weird 493 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: with it. Well, you guys, you know you come in 494 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: here with your important articles about global news, stuff that 495 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: actually matters. Well, I got something different for everybody. We're 496 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: gonna read an article here from a place maybe you 497 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: didn't expect. The lot That's what it's called, the lot 498 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: Media Center. This is the Lottery of Australia and they've 499 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: got a little place where they put out essentially pr 500 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: That's really all this is is to let you know, hey, 501 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: here's a feel good story about somebody who won the lottery, 502 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: and you can win two and you should play the 503 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: old lottery and all that um. But this one struck 504 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: me just a little bit because of the circumstances that 505 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: led to the winning numbers. So just to quickly go 506 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: through it. There's a thing called the Gold Lotto Draw 507 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: in Australia, and you know, it's a lottery like any other. 508 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 1: You pick some numbers and if those numbers come up, 509 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna win some money. Well, there's one woman in 510 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: Queensland who you know did the whole thing. She put 511 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: some numbers in, She bought a ticket, or rather she 512 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: bought it take and put them numbers in. Then she 513 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: won a million dollars and she went through and she 514 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: confirmed it with you know, the whole lottery company and everything, 515 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: and this is what she had to say. The numbers 516 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: came to me in a dream about fifteen years ago. 517 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: That's fifteen years. I literally saw them appear one by 518 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: one and I've been playing them in that exact order 519 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: ever since. The numbers have always been good to me. 520 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: I've always won little amounts over the years, but now this, 521 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: it's amazing. So my question to you guys, that's really 522 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: all I've got for a new story. Dude, No, this 523 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: is amazing. What an optimistic and lovely way to wrap 524 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: the episode. I know, magic does happen. This is incredible. 525 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: My question to you guys is do you think there 526 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: is any realm of possibility, you know, as skeptical as 527 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: when we may be that she in some way was 528 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: given those numbers, either by herself or by some other 529 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: outside force that predicted that this would happen in some way. 530 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: Do you guys think there's any remo possibility that that 531 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: could have happened? Sure, Yeah, I'm I'm I'm as sure. Yeah, 532 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: I mean anything is possible. Not to be relativistic about it, 533 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: and that just sound dismissive, but I'm yeah, sure. We 534 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: have no idea how the human mind works. We are 535 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: we we kind of get the neurochemical stuff. We get 536 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: that part, right, We've we've sort of we've solved the 537 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: idea of how the gas moves through the engine, but 538 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: we don't know why there's a car, and we don't 539 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: really know where it came from and where it's going 540 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: in a cognitive sense. Uh. We also have some tricky 541 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: statistics here. I would say, not to be too much 542 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: of a Donnie Downer about it, but how many millions 543 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: of other people have been doing the same thing for decades, 544 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: and maybe they did it their entire life, and they 545 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: got two or three numbers once, and they got four 546 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: even and then they passed away. We're hearing about this 547 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: story because this is the time that it worked, you 548 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's a really great point. It 549 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: just happened to work this time, maybe, Yeah. And I mean, 550 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: you know mean, so the number that it's pretty complex 551 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: series of numbers, right, Uh, it's fifteen, two, eight, and 552 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: forty five, with supplementary numbers being twenty and thirty, which 553 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: I think you need to get all of those to 554 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: hit the big one, right and that right, I honestly 555 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: don't know exact I think so, but I'm not a 556 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: lottery guy myself. Point is, these these these combinations of 557 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: numbers are difficult to hit, you know what I mean, 558 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: It's like you can't just you know, the likelihood of 559 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: playing the same numbers over and over again and having 560 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: it randomly hit very just very slim. Um. And this 561 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: is fascinating. Uh, let's see how many times did she 562 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: play it? Well, she played a lot, at least according 563 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: to her in you know, you're talking about roughly fifteen years. 564 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: There are around fifteen years of play. Um. You're looking 565 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: at a lot of money that's been spent on that 566 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: lottery over the years. And the the big question for 567 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: me though, is when we're thinking about dreams, and I 568 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: think we might be do for another episode on dreams. 569 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: I know we've talked about it several times in the 570 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: past on this show. Um, you know, about seeing shadow 571 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: people and sleep aaralysis and lucid dreaming, a couple of 572 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: things like that. But it's still, as you, as you 573 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, been an area of our brains and our 574 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: lives that we still don't have concrete answers on. And 575 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: you know, we've had psychologists and psychoanalysts over the years 576 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: give us like their takes essentially on what they think 577 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: dreaming is in that act and where we go and 578 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: what happens, um, everyone from Singun Freud, Carl Young to know, 579 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: those guys in the nineteen seventies that we've mentioned before, 580 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: Alan Hobson and Robert macarley who talked about dreams being 581 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: more of a random firing that's occurring rather than you know, 582 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: some of the older concepts of it being you know, 583 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: us psychologically getting through our sexual desires or are more 584 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: base needs or whatever. Um. To me, I just wonder 585 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,720 Speaker 1: if there is more to the the consciousness, the altered 586 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: consciousness that we go into when we're dreaming. I don't know. 587 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,479 Speaker 1: It makes me want to talk about it more. I 588 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 1: I agree. It's interesting too that this happened in Australia, 589 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: which has, you know, the Aboriginal tribes and the concept 590 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: of the dreaming or the dream time, um, which is 591 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, not not that they're directly related, 592 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: but it is certainly a kind of mystical set of 593 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: beliefs that are wrapped up in this notion of of 594 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: the dreamtime, which we We actually had Annie Reese on 595 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: the show to talk about her experiences in Australia, UM 596 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: with some of these tribes. That's correct. There's there's a 597 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: point you make that um. They want to explore a 598 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: little bit further, at least in today's episode, and we 599 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,280 Speaker 1: can return to it in a deep dive in the future. 600 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: It's the definition of consciousness. We don't really have one. 601 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: We know that we feel like we think, and we 602 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: know that based on the behavior of others, it seems 603 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: that they are undergoing the same dubious condition known as sentience. 604 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: But there was a great uh, there was a great 605 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: sci fi story I read recently called The life Cycle 606 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: of Software Objects. Without spoiling it, it introduces what I 607 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: thought was a very good definition of consciousness, which is 608 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,439 Speaker 1: that we are maybe the the we that we think 609 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: of when we think what are we? What am I? 610 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: Maybe that is not necessarily a single point in the body. 611 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not even a single point metaphysically in some 612 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: dimension or vibration that we cannot understand. Perhaps we are 613 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: just the thing that we think of as ourselves. It's 614 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: simply a pattern, right, and it molds itself over time. 615 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: It's a it's a complex sort of um I think 616 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: think like something like a series of opening and closing tubes, 617 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 1: but also a mobile like you would hang over maybe 618 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: a child's crib, and that that pattern, that movement, the 619 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: space between those things, that is as much of a 620 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: part of us as the neurons that we can see. 621 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: Where it's kind of like the difference between just speed 622 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: and velocity. I don't know, I you know, I'll just 623 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: send you this story, uh ted chank. He does. He 624 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: does a better job explaining it here. But the reason 625 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm bringing that up is that the brain, as I 626 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: think we said in previous episodes, the brain is at 627 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: best hardware. The closest analogy we have to a consciousness 628 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: is software, and since we know that software through hardware 629 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: can interact with other things, then there's you know, it's 630 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: it's not conclusively proven, but it is therefore somewhat naive 631 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: to assume that the pattern that we think of as 632 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: consciousness exists in some sort of firewalled location. Our brains 633 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: are inundated, just like every other part of our bodies, 634 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: with so many types of energy, radiation, vibration, I don't know, microwaves, 635 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: how many times to use a cell phone. I mean, 636 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: even bananas have a little bit of radiation to them. 637 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: Our brains are awash and things. They do not exist 638 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: in a vacuum. So therefore, I do not think it 639 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: is out of the question. I do not think it 640 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: is unreasonable that our minds could be interacting somehow with 641 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: something else, or you know, maybe her subconscious is just 642 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: really smart and it's telling you this. But but in 643 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: this case, we're really talking about precognition, right somehow, If anything, 644 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: if there was any stand to this, it would be 645 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: something interacting or herself even interacting to give her information 646 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: that she'll need fifteen years in the future, in the 647 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: hopes that she would record that information and remember it 648 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: and then use it in the time when it was 649 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: needed because those numbers aren't going to hit again at 650 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: least four a long time, right, So it's it's you know, 651 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: if there were something to it, you'd have to drill 652 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: down so deeply. That's the that's the thing for me, Like, 653 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, the fact that it even hit in her 654 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: lifetime is fascinating with just like how many possibilities and 655 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: permutations when you're dealing with two digit numbers. You know, 656 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm no mathematician, but any any listeners out there, let 657 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 1: us know what the odds are, uh for for for 658 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: getting a perfect match on that many a sequence of 659 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 1: two digit numbers very very very very very difficult, probably 660 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,760 Speaker 1: impossible or are very difficult for like an algorithm to crack. 661 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: If let's say you're trying to force your way into 662 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: someone's computer, you know, log in or you know there 663 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: are things that can do forced you know, well, they'll 664 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: just try all these different combinations of numbers and the 665 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: hopes that they'll eventually get to it when you deal 666 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: with that's if you're dealing with like single digit numbers 667 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: and a sequence of maybe six or something. These are 668 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: double digit numbers in the sequence of I think five 669 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: or six, so incredibly difficult to to hit that just randomly. 670 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm with you. I think Ben, 671 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: you did a really good job of sort of bridging 672 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: the gap between the mystic side of it and the 673 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,760 Speaker 1: sort of, like you know, just the brain chemical side 674 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: of it. Um. I love this, and I think it's 675 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: a wonderful way to end the end our first episode 676 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: of Strange News. Quantum entanglement exists. The existence of precognition, 677 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: uh necessitates assuming the existence of linear time, and all 678 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: that we know about time is that's so far it 679 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: seems to move in one direction, but recent science has 680 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: discovered the rules of the road aren't always the same, 681 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: especially when you get down to very very small things. 682 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: So I ask you, then, what is the size of 683 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: a thought? Alright? Siry? That is it? No, that's great. 684 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: I was just gonna point out that you can find 685 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: The life Cycle of Software Objects on Amazon right now, 686 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: and the hard cover version of it is two hundred 687 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: and six dollars. Who though by the short story collection exhalations, 688 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: uh it should be it should be uh in there? Okay, awesome? Yeah, 689 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: And I think you can get like the full compendium 690 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: of Neil Gaiman's The Sandman, which also uses the idea 691 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: of the dreaming and dream time and takes a lot 692 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: of cues from those Aborigine myths that we're talking about. Um, so, 693 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: really really cool stuff here and really great thought are 694 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: for pop culture. It's been used in science fiction, you know, 695 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: a lot since like the eighties, and continues to be so. 696 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: Really God, Matt, what a good find. Well, all I'll 697 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: say is I've been having a lot of really messed 698 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: up nightmares lately, and I certainly hope that I don't 699 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,919 Speaker 1: have any kind of pre cognitive abilities, because I don't 700 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: want any of those things to come true. All right, Well, hey, 701 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: I hope you're having better dreams than me. Uh, write 702 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: to us. Let us know what you think about all 703 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: this stuff. Let us know what you've been dreaming about. 704 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: If you're down with that, we'd certainly be interested to 705 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: hear it, especially if you've been predicting something or if 706 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: something has been resonating deeply within you. Because this whole 707 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: quarantine situation and all the other things, a lot of 708 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 1: other things that are going on in the world right 709 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: now have been leading to some weird disruptions and sleep 710 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: patterns and and stuff. So tell us about what you've 711 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: been experiencing, what you think about everything we've talked about 712 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,760 Speaker 1: on this episode. You can find us on the social media. 713 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: We are all over the place, right uh Facebook, you 714 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: can find our Facebook group Here's where it gets crazy. 715 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: That's a really nice kind of real time way to 716 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: keep up with your fellow conspiracy realists. And we pop 717 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: in there as well, and couldn't couldn't have a better 718 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: group of folks. Lots of cool conversations and memes and 719 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: uh usually when a new episode drops, the conversation kicks 720 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: in the high gear. Really interested to see what you 721 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,919 Speaker 1: guys think of this new schedule. I had a great 722 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: time today and I hope you all listening did too. 723 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: You can also find us on the usual places and 724 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: social media as Conspiracy Stuff or Conspiracy Stuff Show, if 725 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: you wish. You can find us as individual people. I 726 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,320 Speaker 1: am on Instagram at how Now, Noel Brown, I'm on Instagram, 727 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick Underscore, I Heart. I think you can find 728 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: me on Twitter where I'm at Ben Bowling hs W 729 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: or on Instagram where i am at Ben Bowling. If 730 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: you are a person who does not care for social 731 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: media totally get it. There's pretty solid evidence that, uh, 732 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: social media can have delatorious effects on the mind. So 733 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: why do I kick at old school? You can give 734 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: us a call directly where we are one eight three 735 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: three s sc d W y t K. Yeah. I 736 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: don't think it's happening, guys. It was a good effort, though, 737 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: it was a good hustle. 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