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Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello Call It Crew, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 2: short and Sweet.

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Speaker 3: Oh this one, this one, this one can get not

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Speaker 3: so sweet I have.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to see what your opinion is on this,

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Speaker 2: because we might have different opinions on it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, talked about this before.

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Speaker 3: Well what are we Well, first of all, what are

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Speaker 3: we going to talk about?

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about baby names, but the stealing,

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Speaker 2: oh shameless, the hijacking of the name.

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Speaker 3: The high jinks that can occur around names. By the way,

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Speaker 3: were you when you were a kid.

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Speaker 1: Did you have your baby names picked out when you

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Speaker 1: were like playing with Dolly's.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I loved the name Lucy.

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Speaker 2: That was my little rag doll name, and A was

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Speaker 2: on the list for Hayden. But I'm glad actually didn't

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Speaker 2: name her Lucy because she came out with bright red

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Speaker 2: hair and I feel like, you know, I love Lucy

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Speaker 2: in the US, like it would have just now, it

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Speaker 2: would have been really cute, but I think it would

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Speaker 2: have been too like on the nose.

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Speaker 4: Did you have baby names like when you were little?

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Speaker 3: Ah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember what they were. But I did

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Speaker 1: love playing house. I loved the Yeah, I liked the

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Speaker 1: conceiving of names and whole personalities.

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Speaker 3: I remember when I was in French class, I had

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Speaker 3: a French name. Yeah, I like names.

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Speaker 2: Did you okay, so before you had kids, but you're

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Speaker 2: getting older, you're getting married, doing all the things. Did

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Speaker 2: you have your adult like you know, your real baby

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Speaker 2: names ready to go?

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Speaker 1: No? Every single one of our babies came out without

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Speaker 1: a name. Oh really, we loved the hospital twice without

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Speaker 1: a name?

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Speaker 4: You did for which kids?

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Speaker 1: Eve?

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Speaker 3: Wow? Actually three all the girls, Eve, Poppy and Josephine

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Speaker 3: and Luke. We we pretty.

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Speaker 1: Much decided the day after he was born. He was

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Speaker 1: born at night, and the next day I think we cemented.

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Speaker 3: It that he was Luke all three of your girls.

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Speaker 4: Eve.

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Speaker 3: Took almost like a week, I think.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I don't think I even knew that you could

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 3: Actually, they let you leave with a nameless baby. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's not illegal.

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Speaker 1: By the way. With the first baby, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was illegal to let me leave with a baby at all.

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Speaker 4: I was like, well, what who's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna let me leave with this baby?

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything you're like, drive, drive, Like, have

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Speaker 2: this idea.

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Speaker 1: Of what they're gonna look like in the baby, like you,

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Speaker 1: because you know how you put the car seat in

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Speaker 1: like a month before you even have the baby. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just in case, you know, Yeah, because by the way,

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Speaker 1: And my idea of what a baby would look like

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Speaker 1: in the car seat was far different than what the

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Speaker 1: real baby looks like in the car seat. She was

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Speaker 1: They were always like all shriveled up and like their

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Speaker 1: you couldn't get their arms to go putting a raisin in, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 4: A raisin with like a hat, a raison with.

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Speaker 1: A hat and like hanger wire for arms, like they

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Speaker 1: didn't then remember they couldn't get them to fully No, no,

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Speaker 1: they like they didn't move, and so trying to get

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Speaker 1: it inside the seat belt buckle, I was like, what

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Speaker 1: is this?

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Speaker 3: Am I uncandid camera?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Move that arm, how about the legs in like the

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Speaker 4: They're not moving.

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Speaker 2: No, they're in a full stork.

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Speaker 3: They're like.

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Speaker 4: Okay, back to baby names. Okay, that's interesting. Okay, So

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Speaker 4: you didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Did you? You had names for yours.

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Speaker 2: I knew Lucas before I even had babies.

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Speaker 4: Lucas was a name.

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Speaker 3: You were having a boy, and it was going to

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Speaker 2: Yes, And when I was pregnant with Hayden, we were like,

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Speaker 2: if it's a boy, it's Lucas, And so Lucas was Lucas.

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Speaker 2: I did have a list of baby names for Hayden,

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Speaker 2: and I went through a lot of them, but there

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Speaker 2: was one name and I can't say it because I'm

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Speaker 2: about to tell a story about it and it will

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Speaker 2: just out that person.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I had one name that I absolutely loved forever.

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Speaker 4: Matt really liked it for a girl too.

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Speaker 2: And and then my uh but my uh ex boyfriends

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Speaker 2: a really long time, like after I threw into college,

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Speaker 2: we moved to Los Angeles together, ended up cheating on

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Speaker 2: me with a pretty famous reality star that is still around.

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Speaker 3: We're full of surprises, I know, why do we not

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Speaker 3: know the story?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to tell you this story. So she's

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Speaker 2: pretty famous. I mean that you definitely know her name.

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Speaker 2: And she ended up naming her girl the year before,

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Speaker 2: like maybe why maybe like a couple of years before

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Speaker 2: I got pregnered with Hayden. My favorite baby name for

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Speaker 2: a girl, and I can't say it because it's kind

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Speaker 2: of an unusual name. Like if I said the name,

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Speaker 2: would you Google would find it in two seconds and

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Speaker 2: let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: No, I can't tell it out that Jessica Capsules, wheeling speed.

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Speaker 3: Trouble make went a little trouble today.

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Speaker 2: So it ruined it for me though, And then I

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Speaker 2: kind of like, who cares, it doesn't matter, you can

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Speaker 2: just still know. But it kind of it just didn't

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I wish it hadn't because in a way,

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Speaker 2: I feel like it would even have suited hated maybe

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: No, I did feel like my baby name was stolen

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Speaker 2: without this person knowing we're not this girl.

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Speaker 3: Knowing we named Luke.

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Speaker 1: Then we got pregnant with you, we knew we were

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Speaker 1: all know about names in general is you actually probably

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Speaker 1: shouldn't discuss them with anyone because everyone's got an opinion, right,

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Speaker 1: and so then all of a sudden, they're gonna yeck,

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Speaker 4: Meaning to, or someone's gonna say, that's my baby name.

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Speaker 1: You really best practices is you should just zip it, like,

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Speaker 1: don't talk about your baby names.

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Speaker 3: It's not a good idea.

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Speaker 1: I did have a list and my friend who is

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Speaker 1: also having her first baby, there was a name that

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Speaker 1: And then baby Eve arrives and we don't what we

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Speaker 3: And I'm like full of all the post partum.

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Speaker 1: Feelings and the ups and downs, and it would like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't even know why you're crying, but

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Speaker 1: And by the you're so happy, but you're like, I'm

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all of those things. Yeah, and I have a.

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Speaker 1: Nameless baby, which felt like some kind of pressure. And

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Speaker 1: But somehow that friend of mine who was still waiting

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Speaker 1: you on the names? And I said, I think we're

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Speaker 1: Uh oh, it was a giant, giant, big, huge, giant giant.

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Speaker 2: Oh. So wow.

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Speaker 4: This is such an interesting story because I feel like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if this is fair.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think probably The story is that sometimes in

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Speaker 3: The story is not fair in my opinion. It was

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Speaker 1: Us, right, because if she had settled on this, which

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Speaker 3: Without a name going and my husband was like, but

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Speaker 3: I really like that name.

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Speaker 4: And I was like.

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Speaker 1: I really liked that name and I really love that friend.

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Speaker 1: And so everything came into a cross section of like

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Speaker 1: choice and again, wow, not very fertile ground, not very

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Speaker 1: comfortable ground to be making big decisions a couple of

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Speaker 1: days after having a baby. It's just everything is just

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Speaker 1: like it's like you're walking around without skin. It's just

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Speaker 2: I mean, she also like really left that to the

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Speaker 2: last minute, like the week that your baby's out.

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Speaker 4: She's like, actually that is the name for me, Like yeah.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, and you know what.

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Speaker 1: I think that her story would and I think that

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Speaker 1: her story would be that maybe it was before then

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know everything.

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Speaker 4: You're still friends, can I ask, well, you know what?

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Speaker 1: It was a very very big and very it caused

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Speaker 1: a little bit of it caused a lot. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: have absolutely since repaired, and I she was a longtime

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Speaker 1: friend and I love her and she loves me, and

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Speaker 1: absolutely there's been repair.

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Speaker 3: But it was, it was, It was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: So you look at these people who who you know,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, that's crazy, like what are people losing

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Speaker 1: a situation, I you can can see why people lose

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Speaker 4: Here's my opinion on it.

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Speaker 2: I do think that if you have someone who's like

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Speaker 2: my whole life, this has been the baby name that

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Speaker 3: And then she got a dog and she named her dog.

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Speaker 4: I don't like you. She's like Adam.

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Speaker 1: Forever by the way I mean, given that we just

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: But my sister, Destrie, she asserts, and I believe her

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Speaker 1: I mean, this one is where I the adult Jessica.

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Speaker 1: I'm swear I'm not trying to be too nice. I

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Speaker 3: I can imagine at fifteen when she was like, that's going.

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Speaker 1: like there's no other version of Poppy, and Poppy is

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Speaker 1: it's also hard because I know your kids and like

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Speaker 2: I think that like, if you're fifteen and you have

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Speaker 4: I know, yeah, but you.

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Speaker 2: Then you gotta really announce it. I think you gotta

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Speaker 3: Know, well, Destri's my younger sister, so she would probably

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Speaker 1: It's like, I'm talking here, Can you please listen to me?

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Speaker 3: You gotta say aloud.

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Speaker 4: You gotta email it.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have evidence evidence, Yeah, you gotta yeah, get

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Speaker 1: it trademarked.

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Speaker 4: You got it trademarked, and then you yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you can sue.

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Speaker 1: You can sue.

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Speaker 3: You need to get it notorized. You need to get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm glad that she's a poppy and I

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Speaker 1: think the Destri's okay, and she's gonna come up with

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Speaker 1: a great name for her daughter one day. Well.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm curious because I like the idea of you

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Speaker 3: What it is. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, if we had never talked about it, and if

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Speaker 3: I'm not worried about it at all. But it just

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: But if the baby had come out and my friend

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Speaker 1: So I do think I would stick with that. If

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Speaker 4: It's hard though, you're so excited and you're not thinking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're among.

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Speaker 2: Us who walk among us, walk among us, and they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's Hayden. There's Hayden. There's Old Hayden and Lucas

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Speaker 2: Old Poppy and Luke swimming away. To kill you, literally,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill you like I'm gonna name all my

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Speaker 3: You can't name your kids, I know.

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Speaker 4: And it's hard because one of my exes names was

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Speaker 1: Me too, me too, And actually it was a boy.

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Speaker 1: Well he was a boy or he was a man,

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Speaker 3: A good guy.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, see one of the guys I liked, he

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Speaker 4: I can't do it because Matt knows my history, right,

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Speaker 4: so he'd be like, I know they do.

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Speaker 1: About that.

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Speaker 4: They listen, well, they listen when they need to. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: we want to hear from a calic crew.

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Speaker 3: Yes we do. Has anyone stolen your name? Have you stolen?

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from the people who've stolen the names?

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Speaker 1: Come on, yes, that's you're not going to be seen.

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Speaker 1: Why did you take that name? Why is the goldfish

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Speaker 3: And why did you think you could get away with it?

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Speaker 3: And were you see you feel any guilt?

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Speaker 2: Guilt?

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Speaker 3: All right, call it crew?

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Speaker 4: We want to hear from the name stealers.

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Speaker 2: We want, in fact, convince us why you're right, because

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Speaker 2: right now we're not.

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Speaker 4: We're not feeling, we're leaning out of it. We're leaning out.

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Speaker 2: So I want to know why it's okay to steal

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Speaker 2: a name. You tell us and we will hear from you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: bring it on, all right, this is so fun.

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Speaker 3: Let's call it the end of the episode.