1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: It could happen. Here is a podcast. Sometimes it's about 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: good stuff and ways people can fix things. Sometimes it's 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: about frightening stuff like today, today's a scary episode. Joining 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: me to scare everybody is Professor Calvin Norman. Calvin, how 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: are you doing today? Oh, Robert, I do well some days, 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: but most days not. I work on climate change, invasive species, 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: forest health issues, a chronic waste disease. So were their 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: problems with those things? Okay? Well, actually last time were 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: we talked about climate change? Solve that. So we're good there, 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: that's all been solving. We locked that down, right, Yeah, 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: you get. We got the we got the eels fed. 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: That was the problem. Oh yeah, yeah, there's like a 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: car comb it's electric. We're good. We're nailing it. So 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: I get. We had you on the show once before 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: to talk about how the forest is bad. Uh yeah, um, 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: still bad. Still a lot of problems in the forest, 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: as the people who are watching their forests burn can 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: probably uh say. Although there's other problems than that, as 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: we talked about in your episode. Didn't mean an email 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: a while back. It took a bit for me to 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: get my ship together to have you back on. But 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: it was a frightening email about a disease sweeping through 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: the country that could have massive effects on the lives 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: of everybody listening to this. Um, And it's not one 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: of the diseases that you're all thinking about. I know, 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: there's a couple of things that meet that decision that 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: that like, there's a couple of different diseases running a 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: check throughout the United States at the moment and the world. Um, 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: we are not talking about either of the ones that 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: are big in the news right now. We're gonna talk 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: about chronic wasting disease calviny. You want to kind of 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: introduce that concept to the people, because this was not 33 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: something I really I had heard of it, but I didn't. 34 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: It was just kind of like, you know, animals have 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: weird diseases, right, cats get you know, lymphoma or whatever. 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: I never thought about it much as a as a 37 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: thing that was a problem other than a problem for 38 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: some deer. But it is. It is quite an issue. Yeah, yeah, 39 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: it's if it stays in dear, I will be happy. 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: Let's put it like that. So, um, we're gonna actually 41 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: like do a little throwback to the past year. Watch 42 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: watch out, anyone whole lot. So we're gonna go back 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: to the nineties. All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna get 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: my shoulder pads on, I'm gonna get my X Files 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: poster stuck up on the wall. I'm gonna vote for 46 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: a serial sexual abuser. Well that's that's every decade. Um, okay, sorry, So, 47 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: so chronic wasting diseases a pry and the reason we're 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: going back to is a prian disease. And the reason 49 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: we're going back to the nineties is to to look 50 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: at the the most the biggest like reason anyone would 51 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: have heard of a prion disease outside of like you 52 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: know some like you know, brain scientists and stuff, and 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: that's you know, bov line bovine sponge form, its appalopathy, 54 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: or more commonly known as mad cow disease. So you know, Robert, 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much you are aware of mad cow. 56 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: It popped up in the US in the two thousand's, 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: but it killed a bunch of people in England in 58 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, isn't there like there's still restrictions on 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: like blood donation and stuff if you lived in England 60 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: at a certain period, right, Like there's some weird ship 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, you can't donate blood for that. Um, 62 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: that's a very good reason. We're going too that in 63 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: a second. Actually always in England not too long ago, 64 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: and I did not eat beef there because I've read 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: too much about prions to mess around with that stuff. Yeah, 66 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: I mean, thankfully here in America we have health food standards, 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: unlike those filthy Brits. But yeah, yeah we had a scare. 68 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: Um Canada head a scare and we'll talk about the 69 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: repercussions of that later. But so the reason we're going 70 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: back is we're gonna look at the most recent time 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: prians have become mainstream. So what happened there? So l well, 72 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: let me just unfold this a little bit. That's a joke, 73 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: y'all all understand it three minutes hopefully. So a prion, 74 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: it's a protein in your brain. Now, UM, I'm not 75 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: a neurologist. I am a wildlife biologist. Force sorry, So, um, 76 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be the answer I question out there 77 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: about brains and proteins and stuff like that. Um, but 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: what what the prion protein in your brain does is 79 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: it moves copper around, which is important for cell stuff. 80 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: I personally think that mankind should have never looked through 81 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: a microscope and everything at the celler level is just heresy. 82 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: We shouldn't look at it at all. Now, I'm i'm, I'm, 83 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm completely on board with you. There. There's certain things 84 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: we never should have studied, and anything that involves a 85 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: microscope is one of them. Oh yeah, you lost me there. 86 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: HandLens I'm good for you can like see like small stuff, 87 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: but microscopes out. Okay. So, so in your brain you're 88 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: moving around copper and stuff and it's important for like 89 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: cell stuff. So, um, we're gonna go back to high 90 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: school biology. For most folks. You know, proteins building block 91 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: of life important. So your protein structure is dictated by 92 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: the elements in it and how they're like arranged, you know, 93 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: like stacked on top of each other. So that's that's basic, 94 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: you know, high school biology. But then you know, as 95 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: you get a little bit further in biology, you find 96 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: out there's it's a little bit more complex. So proteins, 97 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: like all things in our real world, are unfortunately not 98 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: like in the textbook, and these are three D and 99 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: so they have like shapes and folds. Now, when folded correctly. 100 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: It just priam protein operates normally and just moves copper around. Um. 101 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: Unfortunately doesn't always you know, sometimes it doesn't fold correctly. 102 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: And when that happens, it doesn't move copper, and so 103 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: brains have a little bit of an issue because they 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: don't get copper. Yeah, and this is why all those 105 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: trucks stops sell those copper bands that you can put 106 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: on your wrist to solve diseases. Right, it's to deal 107 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, you just keep that copper band on 108 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: your rest solve that problem. Yeah. So so what what 109 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: happens when that happens is you get a prion disease. 110 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: There are some that evolve in that just like they 111 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: don't evolve because they're not living um that just pop 112 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: up in nature. So like a spongef bovine spongef form 113 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: and sepalopathy mad cow rappings a little bit Earli talking 114 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: about in a second scrapey uh, feline sponge form and 115 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: sepalopathy which comes from cats that eight meat that was 116 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: infected with mad cow um. And then there's kuru. I think, yeah, 117 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: that's the one cannibals get, right, Like this is famously 118 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: why cannibals quote unquote go crazy. Actually a lot of cannibals. 119 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: We're well aware that you don't eat meat from certain areas, 120 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: but it is a thing. If you're going to eat people, 121 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: be really careful about the spine. Don't eat brains and 122 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: spines yet. That's that's exactly. Yeah. Um, there's um and 123 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: in humans it's called um the spongeforms ceplopathy. I'm gonna 124 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: explain the big word in one second. It's called Cromhelds 125 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Yakops disease. It was yeah, two Germans, really neat stuff. Yeah, 126 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite disease names because you just 127 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: know you're in for some like horrifying shit when you 128 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: when you see the that spelled out, you're like, well, 129 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: that's got to be something bad. Yeah. Well, luckily, like 130 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, for two German guys like alive in the thirties, yeah, 131 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: died good stuff. Like they two German doctors who weren't 132 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: Nazis in that period. Yeah, it seems like one of 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: them died right before things like that, you know, things 134 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: went out there. And then yeah yeah, okay, so so 135 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: I've been throwing around this word spongeform at sepalopathy UM 136 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: and then like you know, I change like the you know, bovine, feline, whatever. 137 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: So it a sponge off form means something looks like 138 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: a sponge. And then it's tepalopathy means brain So your 139 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: brain turns into a sponge. And that's because you're not 140 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: getting copper and so cell cells are falling apart, and 141 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 1: it's your brain just doesn't work, to be real simple, 142 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of like Alzheimer's. That's how like presenting humans, 143 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: which is why it's really hard to figure out. Right. 144 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: And then when you want to determine that something has 145 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: spongeform and sepalopathy, you've got to cut the brain open, 146 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: look at it under a microscope. UM. And as you 147 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: can imagine, that doesn't usually happen in people. You don't 148 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: usually cut the brains open, and also in a lot 149 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: of animals you don't usually cut the brain open, look 150 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: at it under microscope. Well it's bad for them, right, 151 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: that's not. Yeah, it's always lethal, always a lethal sample. 152 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: So like that's the basics of what a prion disease is. UM. 153 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: And then when we saw it in in England, what 154 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: had what had happened was got into cows. Cows got 155 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: it from eating other cows that were fed back to them, 156 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: and then it got into humans because we ate what 157 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: we the Brits in the third inties in the nineties 158 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: eight cows that were infected with bovine spongef form's eplopapy, 159 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: and you had to eat a good amount of it 160 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: for it to build up in your brain. And what 161 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: I mean by that is we're Americans, right right, So 162 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: not a problem for Americans. I just want to kind 163 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: of like lay a foundation so we all understand what's going. Um. 164 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: And so what I mean I build up in your 165 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: brain is like you know, you get like one two 166 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: proteins in there, You're fine, It's okay. Proteins misfold at 167 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: the time, it takes you know, brains are big, especially 168 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: in humans, so it takes a while for this to 169 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: be going problem. But what happens is over time is 170 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: one is, once you build up enough, you're get exposed 171 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: to enough prions that are misfolded, like the prions in 172 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: the brains start misfolding, and then slowly your brain just 173 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: starts stops functioning correctly. Yeah, it's you know, it's it's 174 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: like a chain, like a slow chain reaction. UM. So 175 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: that's the basics of of um prying diseases and a 176 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: spongeform and cephalopathies. Now we're talking about chronic wasting disease UM, 177 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: which can be easily described as the dear equivalent of 178 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: mad cow disease. And like when you see a lot 179 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: of stuff about it, people just it's like called like 180 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: zombie deer because like deer get weird when they are 181 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: like dying from chronic wasting disease. Like the name chronic 182 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: wasting disease comes from because they like wasting away. They're 183 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: like drooling and also drinking a lot. They act weird, 184 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: they look dumb. Um, they just do weird stuff, and 185 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: so people call it zombie like dear, but they're not um. 186 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: They're just infected with a prime disease and their brightness 187 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: falling apart. It's like it's like a person getting Alzheimer's, 188 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: Like you know, they do weird stuff. My grandma has 189 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's is terrible, don't get it? Yeah, yeah, my grandma 190 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: had um, the same thing that Robin Williams got the 191 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: Loue body dimension. It's it's pretty much the same thing, right, 192 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: Like you can just see somebody kind of falling apart 193 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: piece by piece, but that probably does make the deer 194 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: easier to hunt, yes, and it also makes it really 195 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: easy to identify when it's it's advanced stages in dear, 196 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: So we've got kind of an understanding of about it. 197 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: But like, you know, why do we care? We are people? 198 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: We are not, dear, right, Robert, are you a deer? Uh? 199 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: Not right now? I mean I have been to a 200 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: furry convention, but but I didn't commit. So we all 201 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: got our things. Well, Um, so I I hunt, dear Robert, 202 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: I think you hunt. I don't know. I'm getting I'm 203 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: getting ready for for hunting season as we as we speak. Yeah, 204 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: so so, um, lots of people hunt deer and they 205 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: eat deer, which is which is cool, and it's fine 206 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: and it's important to do in you know, certain ecosystems. 207 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean in most of the US, like, deer have 208 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: been hunted by various you know humans for yes, as 209 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: long as people have in here, so you know, it's 210 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: it's a natural thing to do. It's very normal for 211 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: people to hunt deer, and it's very normal. And also 212 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: there are areas where we killed everything else that hunts deer. Yeah, 213 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: so there's there's anyway whatever. We don't need to defend 214 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: deer hunting here. I I've done hours of webinars on 215 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: the points of deer management. It's it's a real fun 216 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: subject to you. But we do care about that. We're 217 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: talking about chronic waste disease, fun stuff, so so we 218 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: care about that. We care about chronic wasting disease because 219 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: it impacts all members of the servant family or deer. 220 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: So that's you know, elk moose. I just learned the 221 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: Europeans called moose European elk, wild arrogant. Yeah, look at 222 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: a moose. Look at an elk. Super different. It's wildly 223 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: different animals. Like they're both very big, but they're also 224 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: different sizes. It's like the difference between like an armored 225 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: car and a tank. Like a fucking moose is like 226 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: it's basically an elephant in terms of its footprints. Like 227 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: they're so cool to see but so enormous. Yeah. Yeah, 228 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: the impact it can get in all servants that we know, 229 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: it's um and you know, people like you know, people 230 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: like to see servants, they like to hunt servants. We'd 231 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: like to do it, you know in different countries. They're delicious, 232 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: they have the best meat. Yes, absolutely, so much better 233 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: than fucking beef, so much better than pork in my opinion, 234 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: like fucking love venicel Oh, yeah, moose. I don't know 235 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: if you had moose. I've had once. Oh it's yeah, 236 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: moose and elk wonderful meats. That's actually a big thing 237 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan and I talk about when we're hanging out 238 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: is elk meat. He's a big elk meat guy. That's good. 239 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: I've I've never I've never hunted an elk. I've put 240 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: in for the lottery every year. But it's hard to 241 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: get hard to get elk tags in Pennsylvania. I know. 242 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: It's a real surprise. Yeah, you know what, I'll go 243 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: ahead and reach out now. It's easy to get the 244 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: tags here, but it is hard unless you have a 245 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: friend with land that elks are on to actually hunt 246 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: them as as much as Yeah. Anyway, if you've got 247 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: land in Oregon and you want me to hunt elk 248 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: on it, hit hit us up. Yeah. So so you know, 249 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: as we can see, this is a clear demand for 250 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: servants and serfarent products and so in like the fifties 251 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: and sixties, people started, you know, they're like, well, you 252 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: know sometimes you're not always good at hunting, and not 253 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: everyone wants the hunt, so they started trying to domesticate 254 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: and farm them, right, um servants famously like running away, 255 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of deer tails, Robert, you hunt, 256 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have. Yeah, and a lot of like 257 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: tracks that you can tell and like with ship or 258 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: something near them that like, oh, man, I fucking missed 259 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: that son of a bit by like thirty seconds. Yeah. Yeah, 260 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: and if if, even if you drive around, you'll see 261 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: just they're like, oh car, I'm out in five thousand. 262 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: That don't need to be here. Sometimes they go across 263 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: the road and hit him. That's the story, yea some states. Yeah, 264 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it's Bruce to heck. But that is 265 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: how I get to eat some moose. Someone hit it 266 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: with a car. Hell yeah. Um but um. So they 267 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: don't like being in captivity at all. Not a fan, 268 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: not a fan, and so they're very they're very stressed 269 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: in captivity. And then like in the sixties in Colorado, 270 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: um at on the Colorado University of Colorado, on their 271 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: deer farm, they noticed like the deer were getting skinny 272 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: and weird. And that's how that's where chronic wasting disease 273 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: was discovered because we tried to fucking farm an animal 274 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: that's not okay, awesome, I love it. Yeah, yeah, there 275 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: there are some folks who think that it's a natural thing, 276 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: but it doesn't look like it doesn't look like it. Uh, 277 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: no reports of it being around from before the sixties. 278 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: And as we laid out, lots of people ate a 279 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: lot of deer and saw a lot of deer before 280 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: the sixties, so probably came from farming servants. So then 281 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: since then, um, there's the deer. Farming is not really regulated. 282 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: And also deer are not really easy to keep in captivity. 283 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: They like to jump and like when fences, fences blow down, 284 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: and so they'll get out of captivity. And like also 285 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: other deer they like come up to you know, captive 286 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: deer and they're like, yo, what's up with you though 287 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: you're in a cage, huh, And so you can actually 288 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: see them. They'll interact through the fence. Um, and that's 289 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: probably how it got out of containment, is through interactions 290 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: and you know, servants being spread around the country. And 291 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: so now chronic waste disease is found in thirty states 292 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I think four Canadian provinces, UH, Scandinavia and Korea, So 293 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: I think it's four or five countries. So so it's 294 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: out there. It's out there. Um, and it's it's infecting 295 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: certain populations across the US and across the across Canada, 296 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: the world. Um, it's real bad. It's real bad. So 297 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: it seems like a problem. Yeah. Yeah, So if you're 298 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: a deer, what happens is you either interact with to 299 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: pick up chronic wasting disease. We'll go through the deer 300 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: kind of the progression and dear to pick it up. 301 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: Do you either interact with the deers that has chronic 302 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: wasting disease? You go up and smell them, you look 303 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: them a little bit, deer groom each other, you know, 304 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: the the animals. Um, you eat plant that another deer 305 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: pooped on, now doesn't have to have pooped on that plant. 306 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: So like this is a deal. It's effective with chronic 307 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: chronic waste disease. Can poop in the soil and the 308 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: plant will pick up the prayon from the soil and 309 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: then yeah, and then another deer can come in it 310 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: can just spread. Yeah cool, that's that's some real scary yeah. Yeah, 311 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: And it can also you can also pick it up 312 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: from water, but it has spreading in water is really tough. 313 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: So um, those are your main vectors is you know, 314 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: deer to deer and environment to deer um. And that's 315 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: why it's pretty tough to control once it gets into 316 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: a state, because to destroy it you have to dig 317 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: up the soil and you have to burn it a 318 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: thousand degrees for an hour, or you have to expose 319 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: exposure to bleach for an hour to destroy the prion 320 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: because it's not a living thing, it's a protein. Yeah, 321 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean, and there are a couple of towns that 322 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: I would be okay doing that too, but on a 323 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: wide scale that seems difficult to pull off. Yeah. I 324 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: can think of a state that starts with an O 325 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: in an age that I wouldn't mind losing, you know, 326 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: if we just were like, why not give it a shot? Yeah, 327 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: it's just Ohio, come on, it's not it's not a 328 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: real state. So in Deer, we we're gonna just we're 329 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: gonna stay just in the deer where we're not gonna 330 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: get scary yet. So in in Dear, this slowly builds 331 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: up throughout the population and you get worst case scenarios 332 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: like in south western Wisconsin where like the deer harvested 333 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: h bucks harvested a year are positive for chronic wasting disease, 334 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: and because it's an always fatal you know, brain disease, 335 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: you're looking at population collapse in extinction. Yeah, because it 336 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: remains in the soil too, Like it's it's around for 337 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: at least two probably more years. But the studies we've 338 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: done our only two years. Because um, these are not 339 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: fun things to study. People have died studying these diseases 340 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: from prions like and they when they've done work on 341 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: like BSc laptech actually pricked herself with the tool uh 342 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: and got um c j c j D and died 343 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: from it. So yeah, they're not fun to study really, 344 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: you know that's this is like we're talking like Martians 345 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: suit style study stuff. It's not fun. So yeah, the 346 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: stand level ship yeah yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah. So so 347 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: like you know it without you know, when chronic waste 348 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: disease is not addressed into your populations, like in southeastern 349 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: or southwestern Wisconsin, you're looking at extinction level stuff because 350 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: all of the deer that are out there are most 351 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: you know se them have chronic waste disease or at 352 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: some point in getting chronic waste disease, which means that 353 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: they're putting more and more of in the environment and 354 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: they're more like, if you're a non infected deer, you're 355 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 1: you know, three cores. Your buddies are infected, so you're 356 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: gonna get chronic wasting disease and be dead within two 357 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: or three years. So you're looking at extinction of all 358 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: servants in that area for some amount of time until 359 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: it comes out of the soil. That's bad. That is 360 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: a problem, yes, yeah, yeah, as we have established, neither 361 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: of us are dear, So why do we care? I 362 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: mean outside of like the fact that deer are pretty 363 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: important to the ecology of local areas and that that 364 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: collapses bad? Yeah, why what is what is the problem? Like, 365 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: what is the risks to human beings beyond that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 366 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: we we we put in college all aside all the time, 367 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: like this is the world. We don't really care about that. Yeah, 368 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: I ideal with what happened that you pretty college aside, 369 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: so I'm super used to that that being done. So 370 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: the risk is if it jumps into humans because all 371 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have a disease that's really hard 372 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: to detect that can live in the environment, that can 373 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: be transferred from not just spinal fluid, but like if 374 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: you eat a lot of infected meat from deer. You know, 375 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: if you eat um, some of the organs you can 376 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: get at a high risk. So so you know, all 377 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have a large portion of the 378 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: population that could be exposed through direct consumption. But the 379 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: other thing is is prians are really hard to kill. 380 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: I said, they live in soil. They also live on steel, services, 381 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: glass surfaces, every like surface that they've tested like trying 382 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: to kill prions, like you know, putting prions on seeing 383 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: how long they live there hang out there. There was 384 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: some surgical equipment that was infected with the prion gave 385 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: someone chronic wasting not crying c j D three years 386 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: after using it out someone who had um c j 387 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: D G. Yeah, and that's like you know, surgical great 388 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: stainless steel stuff so like not supposed to hold things 389 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: gets like cleaned, but not like super like not prian 390 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: level cleaning because they didn't know about at the time. 391 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: So so there's there's the risk is is is it 392 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: could potentially develop into a human something that impacts human's 393 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: like right now, it hasn't. We do have eight different 394 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: variations of it out there in the landscape. And as 395 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: more and more do you are exposed to it, what happens, 396 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: We get more and more variations of it because that's 397 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: just what happens in nature, as we're all becoming familiar 398 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: with with COVID. Yeah, it keeps changing because it's nothing 399 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: has been done to stop it from spreading. Yeah, and 400 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: like the only thing you can do to stop it 401 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: is just like reduced deer numbers. You can't really eliminate 402 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: out of the landscape because it's in the soil. Yeah, 403 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: and you can't you can't test live dear for it. 404 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: You gotta kill him to do it. There's they are developed. 405 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: There are some tests being developed to determine if animals 406 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: are infected UM that are faster, but you know, it's 407 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: still it's still in progress. So that's called art quick. 408 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: It's a protein test that's that's much faster than current testing, 409 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: but it's still in progress. So the thing that really 410 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: scares me is the other, well, the other thing about 411 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: that makes chronic wasting to is different from you know 412 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: bs mad cow diseases. Mad cow was in cows that 413 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: we're in you know, captive spaces and you know know 414 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: where the cows are. Yeah, it's a problem, but it's 415 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: a problem that you can, like with enough fire and 416 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: or other tools eradicate. Yeah. Yeah, And it didn't it 417 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: didn't seem to be you know, very president soil. And 418 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: it was like you had defeat dead cows to dead 419 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: cow to live cows to get them infected. Chronic waste 420 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: disease is a different beast. Um. So the real scary 421 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: potential here is that it's in soil, so you can 422 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: get into plants. And we know that plants get transmit 423 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: chronic waste disease other deer, so it could you know, 424 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: transmitted to other animals like things that eat plants. You know, 425 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: for example, you and I eat plants. If you're an American, 426 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: you eat corn and a couple of different forms. Um, 427 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: dear love hanging out in corn fields. Oh yeah, So 428 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: there is an exposure vector right there, and it's you know, 429 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: when you're doing when you're processing corn in corncer Let's say, um, 430 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: you take a bunch of corn from a bunch of 431 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: the places, uh sposh it up grind it up. You know, 432 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: you do a bunch of stuff to it in on 433 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: steel surfaces, and you don't need to a thousand degrees 434 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: for an hour. So all of a sudden you have 435 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: like a case of soda that could be infected with 436 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: chronic wasting disease. There's the potential, the big potential damage 437 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: if this ship jumps to people, which it hasn't yet. 438 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: I want to be really clear about that, so we're 439 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: not causing to. But if it does, the containment thing 440 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: is like even in order of magnitude beyond fucking COVID 441 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: ship right Like, it's because it's spread through the soil. 442 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: It gets into the fucking basic ingredients of food, and 443 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: we we simply the way that we process that stuff 444 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: isn't set up in a way that will eliminate it. 445 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: Right now, Yeah, and I would tell you you really 446 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: can't on a large scale, like process anything that's then 447 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: make it safe from you know, like chronic wasting disease, 448 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: because you have to, like you know, if you if 449 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: you like cut up like let's let's let's go back 450 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: to like assuming like you know, it's just in you 451 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: you're handling an affected deer. If you cut that deer up. 452 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: You use your knife, you gotta put it in bleach 453 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: for an hour and then you can come back to 454 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: it just really corrosive, so eventually destroy your knife. There's 455 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: there's your end thing there. But you can also be 456 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: through your hands, you know, touching it, you can get it. Um. Yeah, 457 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: so there's there's a scary part there. I mean, like 458 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: you like as you pointed out, and I started, I 459 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: really totally failed on my part to mention it hasn't 460 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: jumped to humans. Yes, not, we are not saying you 461 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: are going to get the disease tomorrow. That is not 462 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: the but it also like isn't it like there's nothing 463 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: that says it can't jump to humans? Right right right exactly? So, Um, 464 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: there have been a number of like three or four. 465 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: There are two studies I know, I I there's a 466 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: third one I've heard about. UM looking at if you know, 467 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: human like animals can get chronic waste and disease. So 468 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: that's macaques, which are a kind of monkey. UM. And 469 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: when they have been fed chronic you know, meat and 470 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: infected with chronic waste disease UM, and they were exposed 471 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: to blood, they were fed it, they were exposed to 472 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: blood and so it was just injective right into the 473 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: back of their brain stem. Um monkey's got chronic wasting disease, 474 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: so it looks like it's possible. Um. And then also hamsters, 475 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: which are also used as a human standing, have also 476 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: been fed meat infected with chronic wasting disease and they 477 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: were able to get it, and they really get it 478 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: from a number of different sources. Um. There are some 479 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: really like fun and by fun, I mean scary papers 480 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: out there about like all the ways like chronic wasting 481 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: disease moves around and survives. Uh. And the studies about 482 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: like using human standings are not always fun to read. 483 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: And this is this is definitely one of those things 484 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, what is the other option other 485 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: than yeah, you have to try it on ship. That's yeah, 486 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: that's that's very unsettling, but like, yeah, what else are 487 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: you gonna do? Like this is something you do have 488 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: to know, Yeah, yeah, and UM. The other problem with 489 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: prions is detection when it comes to like, you know, 490 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: different species ease because it presents like Alzheimer's and so 491 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: the only way you know that something got up pry 492 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: On disease is if you cut their head. If you 493 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: cut its head open, you look at its brain, so 494 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: um when and in humans, it can take a long 495 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: time for these symptoms to present. I think, like if 496 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: you look it up on Wikipedia, it's is like the 497 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: average like age detection is sixty years and then we're 498 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: good fine. Yeah. Yeah, the researchers that I've spoken to 499 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: say it takes like forty years for enough prance to 500 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: build up in your brain for it to like, you know, 501 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: start to show symptoms, so it you know, if it 502 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: is to jump, if it jumps the species bearer, the 503 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: first time we detected will probably not be the first 504 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: time anyone has been infected. Yeah, it will already have 505 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: spread quite widely, and then people will hopefully not but yeah, 506 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: so so that that's the scary part. That that's the 507 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: human side scary part. But you know, we don't always 508 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: have to keep human side scary. Sometimes. You know, things 509 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: work in you know, monkeys and hamsters that don't work 510 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: in humans. And we've cured cancer, you know, hundreds of 511 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: times in mice, right, yeah, and in humans it's a 512 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: lot harder to do because we're not mice, we're not monkeys, 513 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: we're humans. So it doesn't always work like that. But 514 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: the the other scary part is when it comes to 515 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: agriculture and the impact on agriculture. So pigs can pick 516 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: up chronic wasting disease. There what's called a prian amplifier, 517 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: so they can pick it up. They can like you know, 518 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: hangs out in them, just find it doesn't kill pigs 519 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: at all. They can people. That's true. That's the truth 520 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: right there, that's the truth. Yeah. So so you know, 521 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: if if it you know, as people, you know, government's 522 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: become more aware of it and more concerned about it. 523 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: There there's the real possibility of you know, agricultural exports 524 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 1: getting hammered on, you know, exporting it because you know 525 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: other countries you know, are concerned about spreading it. So 526 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: right now, you know it's pretty hard to well, it's 527 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: getting increasingly the harder to export. Live dear is probably 528 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: should be Probably farming servants is not a great idea 529 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: for their health and ours. But um, you know, also 530 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: there's the concern about spread. So if if chronic wasting 531 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: disease is you know, crosses from humans to cows like 532 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: we've seen you know, like if you know BSc just 533 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: pops up in some cows you know that might be 534 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: from chronic wasting disease, and the impact of that is 535 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: going to be huge. I mean Canada, they were shut 536 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: out of the Japanese market for fourteen years, Japanese beef 537 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: market for fourteen years following a case of mad cow 538 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: disease and two thousand and six they got let back 539 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: in two years ago and the studies and that was 540 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: like a couple of billion dollars in damage to the 541 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: Canadian beef market. So you know, and that was BSc, 542 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: which does not do it doesn't transfer via plant, So 543 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: imagine it's the US you know, agricultural export market market 544 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: got shut down for plants that like economic damage is incalculable. Yeah, 545 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: so let's just get a part about chronic wasting. This 546 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: These those are all the scarinesses. That's what keeps me 547 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: up at night. This is frightening and important for people 548 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: to be aware of because it's a serious threat. Are 549 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: there things that can be done at the moment? Like, 550 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: is there is there inactionable You're not just like not 551 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: on a what can our audience do? But like, is 552 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: there a thing that could potentially be done by you know, 553 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: states or the federal government never that would help this, Like, 554 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: is there actually do we do it? Do we have 555 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: any fucking idea of like what could be done to 556 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: make it less likely for the kind of nightmare scenarios 557 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: that we've alluded to to occur here. Yeah, So the 558 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: best kit, you know, the best things we can do 559 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: are to you know, hunt deer, reduced der population, so 560 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: that way you're you know, taking deer out that might 561 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: be infected. And when you hunt deer in most areas 562 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: that infected you there's a you test them for free 563 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: with your state or various authorities, and so then those 564 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: carcasses are destroyed so you can remove you know, disease 565 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: off the landscape that way. Um. And then by also 566 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: just hunting deer, you reduce population levels and so you 567 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: make it you make the disease loading in the landscape 568 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: lower and it less likely to spread, you know, both 569 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: to other deers and then potentially vector to other animals 570 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: exposed to other animals. Um, excuse me. New York is 571 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: a great example of this. They had a case of 572 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: chronic waste and disease pop up, took it out really, 573 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, hunted that area hard. I think that they 574 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: even brought in professionals and did some real serious deer 575 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: reduction and they haven't had a case since. So you know, 576 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: in areas where it pops up, you can just hammer 577 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: it with you know, lethal removal of animals, harvesting whatever, 578 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: and um, you can prevent spread um, and you cannot. 579 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: You can really not get back the other thing we 580 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: got to do. We need to be very serious about. 581 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: We need to take the captive servant industry. So I've 582 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 1: used the word serve a couple of times. They never 583 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: defined it. My apologies. Servants are members of the deer family, 584 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: so elk moose, Yeah, seek a deer, all those guys 585 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: red deer fatility or what a bunch of them. Um. 586 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: We need to make sure that we're very closely regulating 587 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: that industry because of the potential spread. There was a 588 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: farmer in Wisconsin that sent like almost four hundred different 589 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: infected deer to like a hundred nineties seven different farms 590 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: um over the course of like four years. So you know, 591 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: it's regulation is incredibly important. UM. And it's it's rarely 592 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's not really enough on most farms my 593 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: home state here we have UM. You know, if you 594 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: make less than ten thousand dollars from your servant farm. 595 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: You don't have to report it, you don't have to 596 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: track it or anything. That's a real problem because we 597 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: are experiencing expanding chronic waste disease. So regulation, you know, 598 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: that's fun. Maybe we just shouldn't be farming servants. Maybe 599 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: that's bad. Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all there. Yeah, 600 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: not not a fan. Yeah. From the ethical standpoint too, 601 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: there's there's many I raise a several different raise bunnies 602 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: and chickens and goats, and I help raise sheep for 603 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: for meat. Uh, there's plenty of different things that you 604 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: can raise for meat that are used to it because 605 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: we've been raising them for meat for like tens of 606 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: thousands of fucking years. Like the sheep. I have orangoras, 607 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: which I didn't go back like two years, Like they're 608 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: they're they're they're meant for it. We have changed them 609 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: into animals that are supposed to be raised for meat. 610 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: Don't take new animals and try to farm them like 611 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: that because it seems like it causes problems. Yeah, Well, 612 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: there's a really neat there's a really neat work out 613 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: there about the about domestications stress and like you know, 614 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: domestic kid sheep don't care about being domesticated, whereas like 615 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: they've compared like domesticated cheap to wildcheep. Wild cheep die 616 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: really quick when you put in domestication from the stress. 617 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, like you said, uh, maybe maybe we don't 618 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: maybe we don't play around with some of these animals 619 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: to try to force them to do human what we 620 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: humans want them to do. You know, it's okay for 621 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: animals to just be animals. Not wrong with that. Um. Yeah. 622 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: So the other thing, there was a large amount of 623 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: money set aside, and I can't remember which legislative packager 624 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: was they got defeated a while back that put money 625 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: towards chronic wasting disease research. So you know, legislators and 626 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: states can be you know, legislatures and government can be 627 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: taken seriously putting money towards it. Right now, it's there's 628 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: not a lot of money going towards it because it's like, yeah, 629 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: it's a zombie deer thing who cares. Yeah, well, you 630 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: could get into this is not just a problem for 631 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: deer hunters. This could be a real issue for everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 632 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I mean it's kind of like 633 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: a larger symptomatic thing to we don't really take environmental 634 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: problems that seriously. Um yeah, yeah, I mean the Yeah, 635 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: the scary thing about this is we don't treat the 636 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: environmental problem seriously. When everyone's saying, like, hey, the consequences 637 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: that like all of Florida will be uninhabitable, right, Like, 638 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: we don't take that seriously. So when you're saying, this 639 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: is much wonkier, which is definitely a barrier to effective action. Yeah. 640 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: I did a legislative test money about chronic wasting disease 641 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: a couple of months back, and no one was paying attention, 642 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: but you know, it made me feel good. I was 643 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: doing something. Oh he was a fun thing about Florida 644 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: and chronic wasting disease. So Florida, you know, full of 645 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: invasive species. Obviously it has chronic waste disease. Like, yeah, 646 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: it's a Florida obviously, gotta pick up a new disease. 647 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: You know what else is in Florida? Colonies of maccaques. 648 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: There's like two colonies of I was unaware of that. Yeah. 649 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: Was it because people were an ill advisedly keeping pets? 650 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: I think one of them started that way, and I 651 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: think one of them was like some monkeys that have 652 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: been like kept for testing or zoo stuff escaped. But 653 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: there are at least like two colonies of like maccaques 654 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: in Florida, which also has chronic waste disease, So you know, 655 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: there's I don't think the chronic they're like near the Everglades. 656 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: I don't think chronic waste disease made that far south 657 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: of Florida. So there's a there's a fun possibility of 658 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: the lab experiments under highly control conditions getting um, you know, 659 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: performed in in the wild setting, and we could see 660 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: if if mccax can pick up chronic waste disease in 661 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: the wild. Um, there's a there's a fun research project 662 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: for someone who uh, you know is able to handle 663 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: dark sides of things. Yeah, thank you Florida, Um, but 664 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: more importantly, thank you flow right uh. And a lot 665 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: of people are unaware of this was just a couple 666 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: of years ago in the Eurovision Song Awards representing San Marino. 667 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: So you know, twenty two overall not bad. Yeah, that's 668 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: pretty good, better than I could do. Good day. And also, 669 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: you are not technically a citizen of the Republic of 670 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: San Marino. No, but yet they offered me citizenship. I 671 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: would consider it absolutely. Who wouldn't want to be a 672 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: citizen of the most serene Republic of San Marino. Yeah. 673 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: I I've looked at Andorra, so you know, it would 674 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: be a really we're looking at European micro nations. I 675 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: mean if and Dora came knock in versus San Marino, 676 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: obviously San Maria is getting kicked to the curb of 677 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: that like dual like government between the President of France 678 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: and like the Pope of or not the Bishopah, it's 679 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: like a bishop of like somewhere in Italy. Yeah, it's 680 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: very funny. Um. Yeah, you gotta love those weird little 681 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: micro republics. Yeah. Um so okay, well this has been great. Yeah, 682 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad this is happening. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool and fun. Yeah. 683 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm not usually fun to hang out with my talk 684 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: about work stuff, I know. But it's like it's again, 685 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: people need to be aware of this, Like this is 686 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: one of those just in the same way that like 687 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: people were talking about for years prior to COVID. Hey, 688 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: we we actually really need to be aware, like a 689 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: coronavirus could break out and it will spread really quickly 690 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: due to the way that global travel and transit and 691 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: stuff works, and it'll be almost impossible to control. Um, 692 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, we should we should build structures into our 693 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: societies to make it easier for us to deal with 694 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: a coronavirus, which we didn't do, but maybe we'll do 695 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: it this time. Yeah, well, what makes it really fun? 696 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna build off you for a second. 697 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: You've fallen into my trap. Here. The same people who 698 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: were writing about like mers and predicted you know, I 699 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: can't remember from which game first Merser Stars. I can't 700 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: rember which one. The same people who predicted that and 701 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: then who are also predicting um COVID are also talking 702 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: about chronic wasting disease. So it's like, you know, I 703 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: really hope you don't get to be right on this one. 704 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: You know, I just want you to lose one of 705 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: these times here, Bud. You're a nice guy, real smart guy, 706 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: But can you be wrong occasionally, just for just for 707 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: like you know, old time's sake, Just be nice to me. Yeah, well, 708 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: there we go. Um, that's been a fun episode. Everybody 709 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: have a good time. Um, thank you, Calvin, do you 710 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: have anything you want to like plug before we roll 711 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: out here. Yeah, I would like to plug. Trees' is 712 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: real neat try that we are supported by trees. Um, 713 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: not the plant, but a club in Dallas that I 714 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: took ecstasy at once. That's a primary sponsors, physically supported 715 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: by trees. My computers on wood so oh excellent? Yeah? 716 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: Is that also good? Yeah, trees like to plug. Also 717 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: getting outside, that's good for you. Do that consolutely, get 718 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: outside for sure. Yeah. Uh. Tweet tweets from from birds, 719 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't do the twitters, not from Twitter, Yes, definitely. Yeah, 720 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: those are things that I'd like to plug. Yeah. Replacing 721 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: the tweets from Twitter that you encounter with tweets from 722 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: birds is probably among the best things you can do 723 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: for your mental health, unless it's this one bird that 724 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 1: lived outside of my apartment in Los Angeles. But anyway, 725 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: um well, Calvin, thank you for coming on. I appreciate 726 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: your expertise, even though it's always deeply unsettling. Um, that's 727 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: gonna do it for all of us here today, And 728 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: it could happen here, by which I mean you and me. 729 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 1: It could happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 730 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media. Visit our website 731 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: cool zone media dot com, or check us out on 732 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 733 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts, you can find sources for It could 734 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: happen here, Updated monthly at cool zone media dot com 735 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: slash sources. Thanks for listening.