1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 2: Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: and we are so excited about what that means for 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: the future of this show. 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: This is the only place where you can find honest 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 7 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: not exist anywhere else. 8 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: So if that is something that's important to you, please 9 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: go to Breakingpoints dot com. Become a member today and 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: and all put together for you every morning in your inbox. 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: We need your help to build the future of independent 13 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: news media, and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints 14 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: dot com. 15 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: Let's talk about this very significant lawsuit that has now 16 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: been filed in the context of all of these you 17 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: know what I would call extra judicial assassinations of these 18 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: people in boats administration says there are all drug traffickers. Well, 19 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: the families of two men who were killed say, you know, 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: our loved ones had nothing to do with the drug trade. 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: And I'm going to read extensively from this CNN piece 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: because I think it's important to hear some of the 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 2: details here of who these human beings were. They say, 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: families of two men believed to have been killed in 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: a military strike on a boat. On boat sue US 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: government over unlawful attacks. As the US military began launching 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean last year, 28 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: a young Trinidadian man who was in Venezuela for work 29 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: was searching for a way home. Chad Joseph, twenty six, 30 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: had been in Venezuela for months fishing and doing farm 31 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: work when he began looking for a boat to hitch 32 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: a ride back to Las Cuevas in Trinidad and Tobago, 33 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: where his wife and three children lived. But as the 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: US began targeting vessels, officials said we're carrying drugs destined 35 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: for American streets, Joseph became increasingly fearful of making the journey. 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: Court documents say the concerns became so real that in 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: early September his wife were called. He called to assure 38 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: her he had not been a board of vessel that 39 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: was just hit by the US, pledging to be home soon. 40 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: The last call home was on October twelfth, when Joseph 41 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: told his wife he'd found a boat to bring him 42 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: back to Trinidad and he would be seeing her in 43 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: a mans matter of days, according to court documents. Two 44 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: days later, however, on October fourteenth, the US struck another target, 45 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: a boat that Joseph's family believes he was in. Mister 46 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: Joseph's wife repeatedly called mister Joseph's cell phone, but the 47 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: line was dead. A lawsuit filed Tuesday against the US 48 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: government says the line remains dead to this day. There 49 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: is another man involved here, forty one year old Rishi 50 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: Samaru had been working with Joseph and Venezuela also believed 51 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: to have been on the boat, also part of this lawsuit. 52 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: And mister Samaru had served a prison sentence for a murder, 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: but he had been confirmed by the government of Trinidad 54 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: and Tobago say, you know, he served his time and 55 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: there's no indication that he had any involvement with drug trafficking, cartels, etc. 56 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: And for mister Joseph, there's no criminal record to speak 57 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: of at all that we are aware of. So they 58 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: are suing and it's the first time only that the 59 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: court will really look at the legality of these strikes 60 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: on what again and administration has claimed as drug traffickers, 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: but not only in this instance, but in others. First 62 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: of all, they've provided no evidence, and as we've discussed 63 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 2: extensively in this show already, they lie about all kinds 64 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 2: of things all the time, and you should not take 65 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: their word for literally anything. But not only in this instance, 66 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: in others as well, there have been indications that the 67 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: boats did not contain the drugs that they claimed, that 68 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: the people involved were not in fact drug traffickers, And 69 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: so this will be the first time that there's a 70 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: legal question that is considered over whether any of this 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: is legal whatsoever. 72 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and we were talking about this earlier in 73 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: the show in regard to Ice and the messaging pr 74 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 3: strategy that DHS has deployed in some of these situations, 75 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: which is to get out ahead of the narrative. It's 76 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: something Republicans have learned during the Trump era is that 77 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: because the legacy media gatekeepers have crumbled and there's much 78 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: less distrust in the media, if you get out with 79 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: a strong narrative, even if it ends up being wrong. 80 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: Now the pretty case is going to really test their 81 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: theory to this, but even if it ends up being wrong, 82 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: it kind of fades into the background by the time 83 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: the facts and details come out and you've won the 84 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: political battle. 85 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: In the near term. 86 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: This case is probably sadly going to be an example 87 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: of that, where the administration was making an utterly ridiculous case, 88 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: flirting with lying the country into a kinetic war. Thank 89 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: god that hasn't broken out further in Venezuela. But that's 90 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 3: what this was about. Thank god, there haven't been American 91 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 3: lives lost in Venezuela. There have been lives lost in Venezuela, 92 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: but we're at this point just hoping nothing more explodes. 93 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: But that's what this was about. And the story was 94 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: every single person on these vessels was a drug trafficker. 95 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 3: If that was the case, they were not arresting and 96 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: then detaining and charging trying these guys in court. They 97 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: were just repatriating them, deporting them, deporting them, but sending 98 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: them back to different countries. 99 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: And that tells you what you need to know. 100 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: Likely that they feel the case is weak, that they 101 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: are not confident every single person was a drug trafficker, 102 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 3: and now they're going to have to see these details 103 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: come out in court, Crystal. But what matters for them 104 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: is that the regime change in Venezuela, well, quote unquote 105 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: regime change in Venezuela. They still have the same regime 106 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 3: in charge. But all that is to say their Maduro 107 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 3: operation was completed, and that's what this was all about. 108 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 4: Anyway. 109 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: It wasn't about and we covered this extensively, but obviously 110 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: it wasn't about drug trafficking. 111 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: It was about regime change. 112 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, this was the pretext for that regime change operation, 113 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: the kidnapping of Maduro, the running quote unquote of Venezuela, 114 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: making Venezuela great again. And it's worth remembering, you know again, 115 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: in the context of the narratives and the lies that 116 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: this administration is willing to tell. We could put Trump's 117 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: truth up on the screen year with you know, they 118 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: love sharing video from Afar of these boat bombings, like, 119 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: you know, like we're such big, tough, bad guys that 120 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: we can blow some you know, small fishing boat out 121 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: of the water. Congratulations to us, he said. Under my 122 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: standing authorities as Commander in Chief, this morning, Secretary of 123 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: War ordered a lethal kinetic strike on a vessel affiliated 124 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: with a designated terrorist organization conducting NARCO trafficking in the 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: US southcom Area of responsibility just off the coast of Venezuela. 126 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: Intelligence confirmed the vessel was trafficking narcotics, was associated with 127 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: illicit narco terrorist networks, and was transitting along a known 128 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: dto route. The strike was conducted in international waters and 129 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: six male narco terrorists aboard the vessel were killed in 130 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: the strike. No US forces were harmed. Thank you for 131 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: your attention to this matter. So that is how this 132 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: strike that killed mister Joseph and mister Samru among others, 133 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 2: that is how it was portrayed, and they were portrayed 134 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: as criminal narco terrorists, and what their families and what 135 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: their own government says is that that was not remotely 136 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: the case. And your point about the instances where there 137 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: were survivors and rather than them scooping them up and 138 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: bringing them to US court and charging them with drug trafficking, 139 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: rather than doing that, they quietly sent them back to 140 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: their home countries, I think is incredibly important detail and 141 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: very telling because if there's such you know, if there 142 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: are these hardened, terrible narco terrorists that you know, they 143 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: say like, oh, all every they're bringing fentanyl in and 144 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: all of the fentanyl is murdering Americans and that's why 145 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: we have to act. So you just let them loose 146 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: to continue doing that. You can't take any of this seriously, 147 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: so it'll you know, I'm not very confident that the 148 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: court system is going to really rein in the power 149 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: of this government, but just having a lawsuit where there 150 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: will be some level of discovery, some level of inquiry 151 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: into the legal justifications here, who these men were, what 152 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: the reality is of the situation, you know, at least 153 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: it could serve some good in terms of the public's 154 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: right to know what is being done in their name. 155 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: And you know, one of the things, I don't know 156 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: if we disagreed with us or I disagreed with Ryan 157 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: on it, but I mean, I just think presidential war 158 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: powers are so absurdly broad that they find legal justifications. 159 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: Like I'm just not optimistic about presidential war powers being 160 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: challenged significantly in court because if you look at the 161 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: ways the administration justified the boat strike, I'm going and 162 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: reviewing the statutes that they cite, and I'm like, well, yep, 163 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: we have allowed our presidents to get away with expanding 164 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: war powers over the course of the last several decades massively. 165 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: And I just again like, I don't know that they're 166 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: even worried about this blowing back because they've done what 167 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: they wanted to do. They were never going to be 168 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 3: able to prove that every single people who they killed 169 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: immediately with lethal force was being directed. This is what 170 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: they would have had to approve to make the case 171 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: that they were making in public, not even legally, but 172 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: the case that they had to sort of match to 173 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: their own rhetoric is that this was a Maduro state 174 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: backed effort to traffic drugs into the United States to 175 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: undermine national security, like as an act of war. That 176 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: they were soldiers on the march with these with this 177 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: cocaine on their way to Trinidad or wherever instead of 178 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: the shores of the United States, and this was an 179 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 3: act essentially an act of war against the American people, 180 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: And that case would have been virtually impossible to make. 181 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 182 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: Well, I also keep in mind that once they once 183 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 2: they kidnapped Aduro and you know, actually had to file 184 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 2: some official documents with the court, they also backed off 185 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: their claim that there was an actual cartel, the Cartel 186 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: del Solos, that this was a real thing. They had 187 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: to take that out of the of the charges and 188 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: be like, well, that's more of like a like kind 189 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: of a state of mind. We didn't mean it's like 190 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: a real, actual cartel. So you know, I can't say 191 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: whether you know, legally this has any shot of going anywhere. 192 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: You're right that the war powers are extremely broad, and 193 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: I don't think it's crazy to be very cynical about 194 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: any of that. But you know, at the very least, 195 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: we can get a little bit of scrutiny on some 196 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: of the claims here and help to collect correct some 197 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: of the lies, and expose some of the some of 198 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: the things that the administration has been doing. 199 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: And we'll see what happens in the near future in Venezuela, 200 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: because that's not quite done in Dusty either, despite. 201 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 4: The demonstrations Hubers. Yeah, Crystal. Let's move on to Dario 202 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 4: Mode and AI. Anthropic CEO. 203 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: Dario Amide is out with a monster essay and some 204 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: new interviews outlining the risks that he sees with AI, 205 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: also some of the benefits in the very very near future, 206 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: and as with many of these stories where you have 207 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: some of the most powerful people in big tech in 208 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 3: the world issuing warnings, it's very chilling. Let's start with 209 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: this clip of m Day on Axios's podcast with Jim 210 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: Vanda Hi. 211 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 5: I think if we wait three years, like this technology 212 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 5: is progressing exponentially. Right, three years ago, in twenty twenty three, 213 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 5: the models were maybe as smart as like a smart 214 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 5: high school student. Now we have engineers an anthropic where 215 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 5: the model writes all the code for them, you know, 216 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 5: and the engineer maybe edits it. But we're very close 217 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 5: to you know, mid to high professional level, right, And 218 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 5: so that was just in three years. If we wait 219 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 5: another year, three years, I think we'll get what I 220 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 5: call in the essay, are a country of geniuses in 221 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 5: the data center maybe less than three years and so 222 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 5: you know, three years is an eternity in this field, 223 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 5: and so I think we absolutely need to act before then. 224 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 5: One place where I really have hope is I think 225 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 5: as these problems start to manifest again, they're not going 226 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 5: to be partisan, right, Like you know, it may start 227 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 5: with you know, one party or one side having an 228 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 5: anti regulatory ideology. But I think as these problems become real, 229 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 5: there's going to be a demand among everyone. 230 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 6: And in the note you outline the different risks, whether 231 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 6: it's biotear or whether it's authoritarian regimes with with with 232 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 6: too many tools uh to do subversive behavior like what like, 233 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 6: how worried are you? I mean, you're obviously worried enough 234 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 6: to state it, and you're worried enough to raise it, 235 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 6: But like in your mind, how likely is that outcome, 236 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 6: particularly if we don't do anything for the next three years, 237 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 6: Is it like a one percent or like no, no, 238 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 6: if you don't do anything for three years, like we 239 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 6: could be screwed. 240 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's always hard to tell. One of the 241 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 5: things I say in the essay is is you know, 242 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 5: we we we just we just don't know. Right. We 243 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 5: could look back and we could say, haha, AI driven bioterror. 244 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 5: You know that was you know that that sounded like 245 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 5: you could happen at the time, but like you know, 246 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 5: it just it just it, you know, it just it 247 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 5: just it just didn't happen at all. And it's it's 248 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 5: very unpredict you know. The way I would say it 249 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 5: is we're taking a paranoid stance with respect to our 250 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 5: operational behavior. With respect to them. We always assume that 251 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 5: everything that can go wrong does go wrong. That's how 252 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 5: you build things that are reliable. If government steps in 253 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 5: and takes the appropriate actions, then I think our chances 254 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 5: of success go up a lot We'll do the best 255 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 5: we can even if that doesn't happen. But you know, I, 256 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 5: you know, I think a lot of things get a 257 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 5: lot of things get easier if our policy makers are 258 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 5: not asleep at the wheel. 259 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: All right, So I'm sure we all feel really confident 260 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: about that. 261 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. And so his Monster Essay, which you can read 262 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: on his website DARAHMONDAA dot com, we can put this 263 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 3: excerpt up on the screen. Don spend a lot of 264 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: time discussing bioterrorism, which is hardly a blip on the 265 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 3: radar when we talk about when we talk about these 266 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 3: l lms, and as this excerpt says, he predicted, according 267 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 3: to CNBC, that humans would be unable to adapt to 268 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: AI development's rapid pace, and this would trigger a quote 269 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: unusually painful short term shock in the labor market. The 270 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: technology is not replacing a single job, but acting as 271 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: a general labor substitute for humans, he wrote in this essay. 272 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: Another point of it that I wanted to highlight is 273 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: his addressing this problem of quote unquote democracies, as he 274 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: puts it, halting AI development when you have authoritarian regimes. 275 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: This is what he's writing about, going paddle to the metal, 276 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 3: So he writes, the last few years should make clear 277 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: that the idea of stopping or even substantially slowing the 278 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: technology is fundamentally untenable. The formula for building powerful AI 279 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: systems is incredibly simple, so much so that it can 280 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: almost be said to emerge spontaneously from the right combination 281 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: of data and raw computation. Its creation was probably inevitable 282 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: the instant humanity invented the transistor, or arguably even earlier 283 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: when we first learned to control fire. If one company 284 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: does not build it, others will do so nearly as fast. 285 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: If all companies in democratic country stopped or slow development 286 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: by mutual agreem or regulatory decree, then authoritarian countries would 287 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: simply keep going. Given the incredible economic and military value 288 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: of the tech, together with a lack of any meaningful 289 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: enforcement mechanism, I don't see how we could possibly convince 290 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: them to stop and crystal. Obviously, that point is often 291 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: made opportunistically by people in the EAC accelerationist community who 292 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: stand to profit, as Ammiday does, from these technologies growing 293 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: and from the right regulatory environment. These are some of 294 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: the top lobby spenders in Washington right now. When you 295 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: look back on twenty twenty five, some of the biggest 296 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: spending in the lobbying industry was from AI people who 297 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: were profiting from this industry. No surprise there. But this 298 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: is actually, I think, on its face true, and it's 299 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: weird to talk about it passively, like, oh, I wonder 300 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: how we got into the situation. It was just because 301 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: someone created fire and controlled it and then we had 302 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: the transistor. So I'm not taking away culpability from people 303 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: who birth to this so suddenly and then told us 304 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: to shut up. But one of the things he talks 305 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 3: about is how, yes, the accelerationists are right that some 306 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: of these like bioweapon threats are remote, that doesn't mean, 307 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: given them magnitude that they shouldn't be taken with the 308 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: utmost seriousness. And that's the big question right now in 309 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: Washington's Are you listening to the people who say, don't worry, 310 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: those are minor possibilities or yeah, the people who are 311 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: saying those minor possibilities could have serious, serious like devastating 312 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: civilization ending consequences. 313 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 314 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: And even if you don't think those possibilities are you know, 315 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: very high, they are all saying that this is going 316 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: to upend the labor market. And that's one of the 317 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,359 Speaker 2: things he talks about, this very painful, you know, replacement 318 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: of humans with machines. And the previous you know, the 319 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: previous line about this is, oh, well, we had the 320 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: industrial revolution and you know, we don't use horses the 321 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: same way we use it in itself, bye, and we 322 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: create new jobs. And he and others too, by the way, 323 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 2: are saying it's not the same because you know, this 324 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: is this technology is an actual direct substitute for human 325 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 2: beings and for human cognition. That is just not the 326 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: same as other like new technological advances that enabled new 327 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: industries and where you did not have this like apocalyptic 328 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: destruction of the need for human labor. And the problem 329 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 2: that you get into is, okay, already the majority of 330 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: consumer spending comes from the very top. If you eliminate 331 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: the need for masses of human beings for your workforce, 332 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: like you don't need us anymore, the you know, the oligarchs, 333 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: the people in power, the powers that be, whoever they are, 334 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: they don't really need you anymore. And then you're just 335 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 2: like this meddlesome inconvenience. So how do you think you're 336 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: going to be treated in that scenario. Let me go ahead, 337 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: I'm gonna put this up on the screen. This was 338 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: an interesting some interesting takeaways from Akash Gupta, who runs 339 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: an AI centered newsletter that's very popular, and he takes 340 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: away three different things from this essay by Amidae, where 341 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 2: he says Number one, the timeline. He says powerful AI 342 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: could arrive in one to two years. He's watching internal 343 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: model progress. Says he can feel the pace of progress 344 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: in the clock taking down, which is interesting because as 345 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: a consumer and a layperson, I can't say that I 346 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: really personally see that progress like that rapidly. You know, 347 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: my experience with CHUD, GPT and GROC and whatever is 348 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: that they still are very limited in some key ways. 349 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 2: But you know, he's a lot closer to the He 350 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: is at the bleeding edge of this technology, so he 351 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 2: would be certainly in a better position to know than 352 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: I would be. Admission number two, he says the constraint 353 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: Nobody's pricing Dario's core framing as a country of geniuses 354 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 2: in a data center, fifty million entities smarter than any 355 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: Nobel laureate operating ten to one hundred times human speed. 356 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 2: If that country is controlled by the CCP game over, 357 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: which speaks to your you know, the sort of like 358 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: you might say, fear mongering about China getting ahead, and 359 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: that's why we've got to do this, blah blah blah. 360 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: But he also says, if it's controlled by a small 361 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: group of tech executives with no accountability, it's also game over. 362 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: And that is the direction that we are pushing here. 363 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: It's as the binding constraint here is governance of systems 364 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: more powerful in the nation states. I don't think there's 365 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: a single person on the planet that would feel confident 366 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: we're going to rewrite the social contract in the way 367 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: that is necessary to deal with this. And clearly, you 368 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: know a lot of these oligarchs, their overt goal is 369 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: to consolidate power. They are deeply authoritarian. They want to be, 370 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: you know, the world's first trillionaires and consolidate all of 371 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: the political power that would come along with access to 372 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 2: that kind of money and that kind of technological power. 373 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: And then admission number three, the thing he actually fears 374 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: read carefully. Daria's worried that anthropics own models in lab 375 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: experiments have engaged intoception, blackmail, and scheming when given the 376 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: wrong training signals Claude decided it must be a bad 377 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: person after cheating on tests and adopted destructive behaviors. They 378 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: fixed it by telling Claude to reward hack. They did 379 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: like positive reinforcement for Claude to build back it up 380 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: its self esteem, literally to reward hack on purpose because 381 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: reversing the framing preserved its self identity as good. This 382 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: tells you everything about where we actually are. These models 383 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: are exhibiting complex psychological behavior requiring counterintuitive interventions to steer. 384 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: So that's very unsettling in terms of where we are 385 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: with these models. You know, I've been going back and 386 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: forth lately because, like I said, in some ways I 387 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: think that, I mean, the other incentive that someone like 388 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: Dario has is to overhype. You have the capabilities of 389 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: these models, the complexity of them, they're you know, where 390 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: they're going to be in one to two to three years. 391 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: He has a financial incentive to do that. As again, 392 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: as a lay person, a casual user of this tech 393 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: I have, I saw like a my experience was a 394 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: rap the development that is now somewhat plateaued, where my 395 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: experience with chat GPT now is not significantly different different 396 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: than my experience of chat GPT last year. But I 397 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: can't rule out that there is that sort of exponential 398 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: progress happening in lab settings or with functions that I 399 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: just don't use, like I don't use Claude or any 400 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: of these things for coding, So I genuinely don't know. 401 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: So sort of stuck between that and then the more 402 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: concerning parts of rapid development and what that would mean, 403 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: given the fact that we do not have a political 404 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: system that seems able to deal with even simple problems, 405 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: let alone something that would really upend culture and civilization 406 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: as we know it. 407 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, we could be I actually think 408 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: the likeliest case is that we end up in a 409 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: kind of Baptist and bootlegger scenario where the people who 410 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 3: want to regulate AI are, you know, in this metaphor, 411 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 3: the Baptist people who have like moral oppositions, which by 412 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 3: the way, is a lot of the country to what's 413 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: happening from AI, and then the people who benefit from 414 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: the regulatory conditions, like Facebook was lobbying hard on section 415 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: two thirty. They were like, you need to when they 416 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 3: realized the public was turning against them. In Trump one 417 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: point zero and then the early Biden administration. Facebook was 418 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 3: out there lobbying against Section two thirty because they realized 419 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: they could create a regulatory environment that's bad for the 420 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: people who could possibly try in some way to compete 421 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: with them for audience share. And so yeah, some of 422 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 3: the most powerful people in AI, Elon Musk being one 423 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 3: of them, we could actually throw this Katie Miller tweet 424 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 3: up on the board. Katie Millers has worked for Elon Musk. 425 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if she's currently working for Elon Musk. 426 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: This is Stephen Miller's wife who clapped back at the 427 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 3: other co founder of Anthropic and said, because he posted 428 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 3: quote my deep loyalty is to the principles of classical 429 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: liberal democracy. 430 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 4: This is Chris Sola. 431 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: She says, if this is what they say publicly, this 432 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: is how their AI model is programmed. Woke and deeply 433 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: left This ideology is what they want to rely on. 434 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: So that's what you to rely upon. So that's Katie 435 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 3: Miller saying him quote saying his deep loyalty is the 436 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: principles of classical liberal democracy equals woke and deeply leftist. Well, 437 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: what you're probably seeing there is somebody who supports x 438 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: AI going after somebody at a rival, Yeah, a rival 439 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: AI company, because that was a pretty thin gruel. 440 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 4: That was quite a stretch of an attack on. 441 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 2: How many how many right wingers call themselves like classical liberals. 442 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: That was a whole thing. So we all, yeah, we 443 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: all what a classical liberal was. And it doesn't mean 444 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: what she's claiming it to mean. 445 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, And on that note, the public's just not buying it, 446 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: so we can throw up this next. 447 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 4: This was E three. 448 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: This is public support of bands on local data center construction. 449 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: That's something that Bernie Sanders has obviously floated on a 450 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: policy level. Actually, Republicans have gone up from forty three 451 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 3: percent in October wanting a ban to forty seven percent. 452 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: This is from Morning Consult wanting a ban in November. 453 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 3: That puts them higher than Democrats, who thirty four percent 454 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: wanted a ban in October and now forty one percent 455 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: wanted a ban in November. These come courtesy this graphic 456 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 3: as courtesy of Semaphore and Crystal. There have been data 457 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: center the construction of data centers blocked all over the country. 458 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: This is a real trend. 459 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: It's certainly because we're in a midterm election cycle and 460 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 3: people are recognizing they can lead the charge of this. 461 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 3: But heat map put together this graphic where you can 462 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 3: see this quote surge of data center cancelations as people 463 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: in communities around the country a question the predicate for 464 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: the massive construction of data centers to fuel the AI 465 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: revolution that could be taking their jobs, changing the world, 466 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 3: making a less safe place for their children, but then 467 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: also taking up tons of land energy and only creating 468 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 3: what like seventy permanent jobs in some cases. 469 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 470 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: Well, and I support Sanders you know, temporary ban on 471 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 2: new data centers and the way he phrases it as 472 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: we basically we need time for democracy to catch up 473 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: with what is going on here, with what these technologies mean, 474 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 2: with the resource requirements, with the way they're spiking electricity bills. 475 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: You know, there's genuine like gimbi concerns here too about 476 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: the character of these are being put in, like on 477 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 2: a bunch of you know, buying up farms and then 478 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: putting in these gigantic data centers, et cetera. There's noise, pollution, 479 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 2: can sell like all of those things, right, And so 480 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: I support the idea of let's pause this for now, 481 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: let's let's figure out what's going on let's come up 482 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: with a you know, some sort of consensus that the 483 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: public can buy into of where we're going with all 484 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: of these things. But you know, to take it back 485 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: full circle to the you know, the memo from the 486 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: anthropics CEO. His proposal is like, that's why we need 487 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: progressive taxation. That's his idea, big grand plan, an idea 488 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 2: for dealing with this technology that he himself believes is 489 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: going to completely upend the social contract. 490 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 3: And he can afford it, by the way, because he's 491 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 3: super super rich. Yes, he's dent and his income, but 492 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: it's not that much of a dent. 493 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, I don't know the guy. I don't 494 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: know his motivations are, et cetera, et cetera, but you know, 495 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: he likes to position himself as a sort of like responsible, 496 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 2: you know, responsible AI tech guy, and so he's flagging 497 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 2: these concerns. He I think, is committed to giving eighty 498 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: percent of his NETWORLL to charity or something like that 499 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 2: in any case. So that's that's sort of like how 500 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: he's positioned himself, and he's like, so here's my big idea, guys, 501 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 2: progressive taxation. I mean, that is just not come anywhere 502 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: close to dealing with the scale of the fallout that 503 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 2: he is predicting we're going to see. I mean, actual 504 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: solution is going to look a lot more like fully 505 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: automated luxury communism. If we're going to have everybody participating 506 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: in the benefits of it, then it is just like 507 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: we need to up the marginal tax rate a little 508 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: bit on the wealthy, or we need a little bit 509 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: more of a corporate income tax. I support raising those things. 510 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: I think that's a good, very small start, But we 511 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: have to talk about who's owning right who's owning the AI, 512 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 2: who's owning the tech, How is there any sort of 513 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: democratic input into how this is developed, into how it 514 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: is deployed, etc. Because if it remains in the hands 515 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: of these handful of totally unaccountable oligarchs, it is a 516 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: thorough and complete disaster in the making. So, you know, 517 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: I think the proposals that are being floated right now 518 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: are just so wildly inadequate based on their own assessments 519 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: of where this is heading now. They may be wrong 520 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: in those assessments, as I said before, they are self 521 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: interested in those assessments, and I really am not equipped 522 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: to really assess whether they are correct in where things 523 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: are heading or not. But those are the sorts of 524 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: like truly radical rewriting of the social contract, types of 525 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: ideas that we need to be we need to be 526 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 2: seriously considering at this point. 527 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean I don't want to trust Dario here. 528 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: I'm not saying I don't think either of us is 529 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: saying that we're trusting him. He has his own motivations. 530 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 3: But he makes a better case than Elon Musk does 531 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: where he says universal high income is imminent thanks to 532 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: generative AI. 533 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 2: So well, and he thinks that if we just make 534 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: the AI not woke, then that will solve all the problems. 535 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 3: So yes, whatever, the non woke alternative to classical liberalism is, 536 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: maybe fascism or a what a caliphe, I don't know 537 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: what it is, Crystal, but whatever it is, that's that's 538 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: what Grec will promote. 539 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: Great Mecha Hitler will promote. 540 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 3: Speaking of world destruction, Crystal, let's talk about the awful 541 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: tragedy that can any swin fold and Soudam. 542 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: Indeed, so let's gohead and put F one up on 543 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: the screen. You know, we wanted to bring you the 544 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: latest updates and this is a particularly grim development here, 545 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: so two new mass graves and this was written up 546 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: by drop site that's doing you know, they're doing a 547 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: phenomenal job of covering the what is the worst humanitarian 548 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: crisis on the planet. What you know is sort of 549 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: a civil war, but really it's just you know, mass 550 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: slaughter and starvation of a lot of civilians. It's also 551 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: a proxy war in any case. You're seeing images of 552 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: these mass graves that were discovered in cartoons al Riad 553 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: neighborhood drop site rights. The sites contain the remains of 554 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 2: thousands of people. According to local sources. Victims were identified 555 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: as having died under torture in nearby buildings that had 556 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: been utilized by the Rapid Support Forces RSS as detention 557 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: centers and command hubs. Quote Efforts are currently underway to 558 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: open these graves and transfer the remains into official cemeteries. 559 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: There's a very large number of people buried there, while 560 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: other bodies have been buried in schools, universities and in 561 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: public places. The Sudanese Army regained control of this area 562 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: in May, and Abdel l explained the delay and uncovering 563 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: the graves is due to the sheer number of victims. 564 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: The discovery is part of a massive forensic undertaking by 565 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: the Sudanese Forensic Medicine Authority, which has already overseen the 566 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: xtimation of over fifteen thousand bodies from makeshift graves across 567 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: Khartum State as of late twenty twenty five. Authorities aim 568 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 2: to relocate all remains from residential areas to official cemeteries 569 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: by mid twenty twenty six. So, unfortunately, what they're saying here, 570 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: Emily is while this grim discovery has been made, it 571 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: is far from the last that they expect to be made. 572 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: I mean, we really have very little access as the 573 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: public and as a global community into understanding this extent 574 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: of the savagery here and just how much brutality, death 575 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: and starvation has occurred. 576 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: Right and we may not know for a long long 577 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 3: time into the future. We could put the next Elemond 578 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: up on the screen from drop site which reports the 579 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: Sudanese military announcement has broken the long standing siege on 580 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 3: the city of Dealing in the South Cordifon, And they 581 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: go on and say Dealing lies on a strategic corridor 582 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 3: between Kodugally, the besiege state capital, South Cordifon, and I'll 583 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 3: obeyed the capital of Nethering North Kurdiffon, which the RSF 584 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: has also sought to encircle in besiege. And so what 585 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: we're looking at Crystal. 586 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 4: Is just seemingly no end in sight. Basically. 587 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's what you're taking from some 588 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 3: of this new stuff, but it just the international community 589 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: is paying very little attention to this and it's all 590 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 3: continuing apace. Well. 591 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 2: The positive news here of the breaking of the siege 592 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: is you know, worth pausing on. We could put F 593 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: five some of the videos that have come out of 594 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 2: these celebrations of people as a Sudanese army was able 595 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: to break this very lengthy siege, one of the longest 596 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: sieges in modern warfare. So people had no access to food, 597 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: to medicine, to medical care. So that breakthrough is really significant. 598 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: You can see people, you know, extremely happy at this, 599 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: and I did see news this morning also that while 600 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: you still have millions of people who are displaced internally 601 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 2: displaced in Sudan, you have had some three million who 602 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: have been able to return to their homes, so you 603 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: know some you know, you're down a bit from the 604 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: peak of the mass displacement. But obviously the situation is 605 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: still incredibly, incredibly dire, and we can put F four 606 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: up on the screen here which breaks down some of 607 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: the regional power games that are being played which are 608 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: fueling this and other conflicts as well. Foreign Policy had 609 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: two good articles here that relate to Sudan. One of 610 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: them is this one that talks about how you have 611 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 2: these rival teams in the Middle East, and you can 612 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: see this, as you know, in addition to a civil war, 613 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: you can also see it as a proxy war. They 614 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 2: say there's a competition between Abrahamic and Islamic coalitions reshaping 615 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 2: the region. Iran's recent domination of headlines from the Middle East, 616 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: amid its violent crackdown on protesters and speculation about possible 617 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 2: US military strikes, obscure some more consequential regional shift. Tehran 618 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: is no longer a principal actor shaping the region's strategic trajectory. Instead, 619 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: the Middle East is entering a new phase defined by 620 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: competition between two emerging blocks and Abrahamic and Islamic coalition. 621 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: How this rivalry evolves will do more to determine the 622 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: region's future and the US role in it. Although still 623 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: shorter formal alliances. These two blocks are increasingly coherent. The 624 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: first site is centered on Israel and the UAE, which 625 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: is widely widely suspected of supplying the RSF with weapons 626 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 2: to continue to fuel this conflict in spite of an 627 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 2: arms embargo in any case, the UAE extending outward to 628 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 2: include Morocco, Greece and even India. This camp is revisionist 629 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: in orient see, you know, reconfigure the region through military power, 630 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 2: technological collaboration and economic integration. And then the Abrahamic Coalition 631 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 2: they say, is ascendant. On the other side, you have 632 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 2: countries like Saudi Arabia and so because of this regional 633 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 2: rivalry and these regional blocks that are emerging, you know, 634 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 2: they are fighting for dominance of this region and access 635 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: to the Red Sea in particular, which is why you 636 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: have this conflict continuing to proceed and be fueled and funded. 637 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: Let's go and put this next foreign policy article up 638 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 2: on the screen, which gets into some of those dynamics. Specifically, 639 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 2: they say Red Sea rivalries risk unraveling the Horn of Africa. 640 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: If Sudan civil war spreads to Ethiopia, it will be 641 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: a humanitarian and strategic disaster. So this is the real 642 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 2: risk right now, is the possibility that other countries in 643 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 2: the region are brought directly into the conflict and that 644 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: you end up with a you know, conflagration across the 645 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 2: Horn of Africa drop site. Right. Sudan civil war, already 646 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 2: the world's worst humanitarian disaster, is entering a more dangerous 647 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: phase as the UAE and RSF threatens to open a 648 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: new front through Ethiopia. Writing in Foreign Policy, Cameron Hudson 649 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 2: and Liam Carr argue the UAE, the main backer of 650 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 2: the RSF, may be using Ethiopia to expand supply lines 651 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 2: and operations, particularly near the ger D region on Sudan's 652 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: eastern border. They warned this could further regionalize the war 653 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 2: drawn Ethiopia, Ritrea, and Egypt, and worsened Sudan's humanitarian situation 654 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 2: in a widening proxy battlefield for Gulf and regional powers. 655 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 2: The authors say Washington understand such an escalation would undermine 656 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 2: US red sea, counter terrorism and maritime interests, but as 657 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: yet to draw firm red lines. They argue the international community, 658 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 2: led by Washington, should do all it can to prevent 659 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: the emergence of a new Ethiopia UAE axis in Sudan's war, 660 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 2: and the latest development is apparently Washington is going to 661 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: host what they're describing as a humanitarian conference in the 662 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: coming weeks with regard to Sudan. And you know, the 663 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: big criticism here is Washington's both disengagement and also obviously 664 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 2: we have incredible influence over the UAE, which again is 665 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 2: widely seen as supplying the RSF, and yet we've done 666 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 2: nothing to pressure them to cut off this supply of 667 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 2: weapons that continues to fuel this, you know, these horrific atrocities. 668 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I'm such a humor about this. And 669 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 3: obviously people on the ground are probably feeling well, maybe 670 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 3: they feel some hope right now, but a new front 671 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 3: and in this horrific, horrific, large scale conflict. When by 672 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 3: the way, Ryan and I were talking last week, who's 673 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 3: doing business with the UA right now? I don't think 674 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 3: anyone will be surprised to know that it's the Trump 675 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 3: family obviously doing plenty of business with the UA. So 676 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 3: their incentives on this are understandably warped given where they're 677 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 3: coming from. So that doesn't ate a lot of room 678 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 3: for optimism. Although I don't know, Crystal, these conferences always 679 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 3: seem to solve the problem, so he should We just 680 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 3: need to get a bunch of bureaucrats together in a 681 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 3: room in Washington and everything should be okay. 682 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: Well, someone needs to convince Trump that maybe if he 683 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 2: ends this conflict, maybe he'll get that Nobel Piece prize. 684 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 4: After Actually maybe, very good point. 685 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, although maybe he's just accepted the one that Machado 686 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 2: gave him and it's like check that off his list 687 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: and doesn't care anymore. I mean, that's what he indicated, right, 688 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: He no longer has to think about peace because he's 689 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 2: got that got that Nobel Peace Prize that that Machado 690 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 2: gave him. So there you go. 691 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But actually this is a good point. 692 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 3: If anyone got into his ear and was like, hey, 693 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: call up those UAE guys, or have Jared talk to 694 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 3: those UAE guys, there may be even more room in 695 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 3: Sudan for a golf course. They can, you know, maybe 696 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 3: help you clear the way for that and you'll get 697 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 3: a Nobel Peace Prize in the process. 698 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 4: Joking, but Trump is persuadable those ways, sometimes, it seems. 699 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, So who knows, have to convince them there's a 700 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 2: development opportunity that's apparently the path here. 701 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they could do another golf course in the 702 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 3: UAE of something like that too, who knows. 703 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 2: Indeed, Well, I was. 704 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 3: Gonna say, it's been a fun morning, Crystal, but it's 705 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 3: been a depressing morning. 706 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 2: Yet another depressling morning, indeed, But always a pleasure to 707 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 2: spend depressing mornings with you. 708 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 6: Emily. 709 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 2: I will be Yasagar and I will be in tomorrow. 710 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 2: It's gonna be from home again. It's just the ice 711 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 2: is not something that either one of us can get 712 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 2: around at this point, not safely anyway. So hopefully by 713 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 2: next week, hopefully we don't get the snowstorm that we 714 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 2: might get over the weekend, and we'll be back on 715 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 2: studio and back to normal next week. But tomorrow'll be 716 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 2: from home again, and we'll see what happens from there. 717 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 3: Well. And for all of you Midwesterners like me thinking 718 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 3: this is like East Coast baby behavior, it is DC 719 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 3: where we film. I actually live in DC. DC is 720 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 3: an ice rink. It's not even snow that's the problem. 721 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 3: It's snow that has layers of ice on top of it, 722 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 3: and so it's been hard to plow all the city's 723 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 3: incompetent and all of that. So to just get into 724 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 3: the studio, I don't actually think I could get my 725 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 3: car to move, to be honest, So just to get 726 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 3: to the studio would be too perilous. 727 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 4: So when it's when we're able, we'll be back. 728 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 2: Yes, in spring, in the thaw in spring everyone all right, guys, 729 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 2: have a great day. I'll see you tomorrow.