1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: opinions only and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM employees of premier networks, 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. You are listening to Dark Becomes Lights 14 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio Coast 15 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: to Coast I am Paranormal podcast Network. Welcome to my show. 16 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: Remember each week this is the place you go to 17 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: when you want to hear the latest when it comes 18 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: to anything out of the ordinary, shadow people to have man, angels, 19 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: to aliens, anything and everything. I am not kidding you. 20 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: If Bigfoot has decided to throw out the Christmas tree 21 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: from the past month. We're all over it, okay. So 22 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: and also your stories. This this is what makes this 23 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: show very unique. I am somebody who has dealt with 24 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: a lot of different things and a lot of different 25 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: books on a lot of different topics, and um, I 26 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: welcome you to send your stories along. I mean, honestly, 27 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: it is so important that we hear what our neighbors are, 28 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters and strangers are dealing with in the 29 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: privacy of their homes. Only when it comes to the paranormal, okay, supernatural, 30 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: spiritual warfare, I mean near death experiences, we're going there. 31 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: We're going there. So go to shadow Folks dot com 32 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: or Heidi Hollis dot com. They go to the same site. 33 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: People just misspell my name so much, so I just 34 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: simplified it. And uh, tell me your stories, give as 35 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: much details as you'd like, because we really appreciate details. 36 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: And if you don't have questions and you just want 37 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: to share your research, your thoughts, your experiences, I mean 38 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: that's very important as well. I mean, how else are 39 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: we going to know what's on people's minds? Truly? So uh, 40 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: include drawings, send photos, videos, tell me the links or 41 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: just send it over to Heidi Hollis at gmail dot 42 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: com and uh I will get those as well. Um, 43 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: you know what today is going to be a very 44 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: fascinating show. We have Daniel Duke coming on the program. 45 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: And wow, wow, wow, wow Daniel Duke? Who is he? 46 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: He is the great great grandchild of Jesse James. You 47 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: think you know the story of Jesse James. You haveing 48 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: a clue? Not a clue? All right, That's all I 49 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: can tell you, Um until after the break when I 50 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: read off what he's going to be discussing. Um. But yeah, 51 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: so we're going into nights Teppler and all that good stuff. Yeah, 52 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: very very strange stuff. Um. But before we get into that, 53 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to get to what are your emails? Because 54 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: those are always welcome and always coming. And um, is 55 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: this one here? All right? Uh? This is supposed to 56 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: be the outlandish corner. I keep messing with names used 57 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: to be the outlange corner on other versions of my 58 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: shows that I've done over the years, and I guess 59 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: kind of sticking. But then I just goofed with it 60 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: and say it's not um digging into the bag of 61 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: emails to see what you guys are experiencing out there. 62 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: I have questions about or whatever. Alright, this one says, 63 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: dear Heidi, that's me. Um. I first seen shadow people 64 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: in in my dreams, and I was seeing them more 65 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: in the past two years. I woke up to sleep 66 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: paralysis where I absolutely could not move my body. My 67 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: body was in another state. M okay, I get attacked 68 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: by shadow people. Tall dark figures of the shadow people, 69 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: the ones that have red eyes with white eyes, just 70 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: dark beings, shadow people. I also see witches and warlocks 71 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: astralink projecting with the shadow people attacking me. Hm, that's 72 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: all they put I'm not kidding. Um, this name is 73 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: mavro interesting. Okay, Um, that's sad. I'm sorry that you're 74 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,119 Speaker 1: experiencing that. I'm sorry that this is something you're having 75 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: to deal with on such a large scale. Um. Whenever 76 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: I hear somebody is experiencing things to the level where 77 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: there's more than one thing going on around them, I 78 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: could see why they're being targeted because they're able to 79 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: see and experienced things that most people have no clue about. 80 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: So these dark things can see that you might have 81 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of an extra glow, a little bit 82 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: more pep in your step in the direction that they 83 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: don't care for, because that means you can see them. 84 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: You could prepare for them, You could prepare others for 85 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: them to do battle, not to go and attack them, 86 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: but to defend yourself to not let them move in 87 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: your direction. Um, what's interesting. You're mentioning witches and warlocks 88 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: astro projecting. This is why I asked people to give details. Okay, 89 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: like what what did it look like to say it 90 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: was a witch? Who? I mean, what are we talking 91 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: about that they have a broom? You know, I'm just kidding, um, 92 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: But I mean people have different ideas, different cultures about 93 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: what a witch is. All right, a bruja or something 94 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: that's in Spanish. But I have known many a witches 95 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: and uh, some of them practice the dark stuff, some 96 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: of them don't. And they will all tell you that, uh, 97 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: they're not evil people, they are just different. And when 98 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: I think of witchcraft in general, warlocks are the male 99 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: version of which is it's like a power or play. 100 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: And some of them will say, oh, no, I'm just 101 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: worshiping nature and recognizing the elementals and whatnot. I understand, 102 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: but you're still kind of pulling in power and and 103 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: sending energy in one direction over another. Um, why can't 104 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: we just say we're powerful people? Why can't we just 105 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: call it something else? But these are ritualistic things that 106 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: are pulling the power in so um and then they 107 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: point it so it's a direction and flow right. And uh, 108 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: some of the symbolic things that go with it are 109 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: not so positive. That's understood. I know. I don't want 110 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: anybody taking my hair, uh without me knowing it, out 111 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: of my brush or something. So they could do a 112 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: spell to encourage one reality over another. That's not good. 113 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: That's not good. Um. And I've known many of people 114 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: who do that, and I when I hear it, I'm like, oh, 115 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, And they're like, well, you don't understand it. 116 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: That's why you're fear you're fearful of it. No, I 117 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: feel bad for you. I do. I feel bad for 118 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: people that feel they need to do that because we're 119 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: powerful without that, uh you know. So I think there's 120 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: just different ways that we can put our energy. But again, 121 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: I'd have a lot of friends that are really positive 122 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: in these different arenas, and uh, they feel they're very positive, 123 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, good natured people, but um, things can still 124 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: kind of bump and and and make you feel that 125 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: it's not always fluffy and positive. Okay, um, I don't 126 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: know how better to put that. Um. And you're talking 127 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: about astro projecting along with you. Now, these shadow things, 128 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: if somebody's pulling in power into them, I mean yeah, 129 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: they can definitely see that, you know, the one that 130 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: is doing that type of thing, and they would be 131 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: attracted to somebody that wanted power and are aiming to 132 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: direct other people's free will uh uh huh or their 133 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: life journeys. Yeah. Um, so I wouldn't be surprised to 134 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: see shadow people hanging out with those who are astro 135 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: projecting like that. Um. And then you know, there's all 136 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: sorts of movies out there that are talking about what 137 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: happens when we leave our bodies right, and there's a 138 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: lot of different ideas because hold on people who right 139 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: right movies and pull from reality and uh yeah. So 140 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating, you know, this this topic, even though 141 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: it's kind of a little bit separate, you know, talking 142 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: about astro projecting and whatnot. I was talking to somebody 143 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: recently about how um thin the veil is hear that right. Oh, 144 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: the veil is so thin, you know. And and and 145 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: I hear people who these near death experiences and they're like, 146 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't breathe, and all of a sudden, pop, 147 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm outside of my body. And I'm like, huh. And 148 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: I'm just like fully in the know of why was 149 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: in that body. I'm fully aware. I see my parents, 150 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: I see past loved ones, you know, and it's like 151 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: it's so thin, like how easy. And it's they're like 152 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: right here with us, all these people that have passed, 153 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: well all if that's the case, and what are what 154 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: are they seeing? What are they thinking of us trotting along, 155 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: tripping along? Sometimes? You know, what are they thinking? I 156 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: just I wonder. But you know, something that I experienced 157 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: once was it's weirdest. It's almost like a lean into 158 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: this veil, all right. And I leaned forward as I'm 159 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: talking about it, even because I I felt like my 160 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: forehead might have poked ever so slightly past this veil 161 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: of another understanding another reality. And I was able to 162 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: look onto space while I was walking and talking mind you, 163 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: talking to a friend, and uh, and be able to 164 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: see literally the center of the universe is what it 165 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: looked like. And I saw the spinning sun, and I've 166 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: spoke about that before, but I remembered my whole reason 167 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: for being here. And and the thing is, I remember, uh, 168 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, when I popped back and I'm still standing 169 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: talking to my friend, and I wasn't talking physically. Then 170 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: I had left looking at this scene and my recalling 171 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: this other place. And when I popped back, I did 172 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: this like little pinching motion towards my forehead. I said, 173 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: it was as if it was right in front of 174 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: my forehead all the whole time. They let me have 175 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: it just for a minute, to remind me about what 176 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: I came here, for just a minute, and I say, 177 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: they like, who's they? You know, just just wild. So 178 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: this veil is so thin, and people have such an 179 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: understanding sin as they step out of this body or 180 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: out of this reality, that wakes them up to this 181 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: other place and and why we're here. But while while 182 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: we hear some horrible things that go on, this physical 183 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: place seems so worth every little bit of guts and 184 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: glory and sacrificing and some people offering up their souls 185 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: to evil things. I mean, there's a lot of memories 186 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: that we have on the other side that we have 187 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: to pull with us over this way where we should 188 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: know better. It's like, you know, your parents raise you 189 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: to know better, and when you go and do bad things, 190 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: they think they failed as a parent. Well, how do 191 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: you think God feels. So let's just hope that this 192 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: thin veil and us being lost and not for calling 193 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: our past, that we do no better and we could 194 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: prove that. All right, guys, we have a really fascinating 195 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: show coming up. I hope you stick around after the break. 196 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi 197 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast a 198 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: m para normal podcast network. We'll be right back. Welcome back. 199 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi 200 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast a 201 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: m there a normal podcast network. If you, guys, I 202 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: want to remind you to go to a Facebook, Twitter, 203 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: tick Talk, Instagram and find me and follow me at 204 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: one put a number one in front of Hidi house 205 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: and don't be afraid to reach out. I'm telling you, guys, 206 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: I love interacting with the people that reach out and 207 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: tell me some of the subjects they like me to 208 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: cover and some of the topics that they've experienced personally. 209 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: I really really love connecting. And uh, I also want 210 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: to remind you go to Heidi House dot com and 211 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: shadow Folks dot com and tell me your stories there. 212 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: All right, you guys, I'm gonna get to our guest. 213 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: Who is Daniel Duke, who is the great great grandchild 214 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: of Jesse James. He grew up surrounded by stories of 215 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: lost outlaw treasures, and for more than two decades he 216 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: has been researching the mysteries involving his connection with family, freemasonry, 217 00:14:54,880 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: the Nights Templar, and the secrets of the Wild Wild West. 218 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: So I would like to welcome Daniel Duke to the program. 219 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: How are you doing over there, Daniel, I'm doing great. 220 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: Thanks and thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, 221 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: the fabulous history and my goodness, what I can't imagine 222 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: having such a blood relation to somebody in the family 223 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: that was, Uh, it's just notorious. I mean in American history. 224 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody knows the name Jesse James. I mean, 225 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: what does that feel like to know that you've got 226 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: that connection like that. I grew up hearing that story, 227 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: so it was kind of just I guess the normal. Um, 228 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: it was normal for me. But when it's the things 229 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: that he was connected to is what blew my mind. Yeah. 230 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: So honestly, so that is the whole story that we're 231 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: digging into here today. Because Jesse James Okay, the gun slinger, 232 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: who would have thought that he had ties with the Freemasons? 233 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: How did that happen? Yeah, that's a that's that's a 234 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: great question. Um. When when we first start, you know, 235 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: growing up, I heard the story, my mother heard the story, 236 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: my grandfather heard the same story. Um. Everybody always passed 237 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: it down that Jesse effect his death, he didn't die 238 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: like history said. And and he lived to the age 239 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: of ninety seven and died in Texas and you know 240 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: a ripe old age in nineteen three is when he died. Um. 241 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: And we just took that as you know, that that 242 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: was normal for us. But my late mother decided to 243 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: dig into that and find out which was which story 244 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: was true, the family story or traditional history. And over 245 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the years she had proved that traditional history was wrong 246 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: on the way he died. Um. And you know, we 247 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: we were excited about that, and that's that's what started 248 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: her books. And then when she died, my sister and 249 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: I vowed to continue the story. Um. And that's when 250 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: I went ahead and I was never going to post 251 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: a story about the treasures, and after my my mother 252 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: had passed away, I decided to go ahead and write 253 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: that book and get that out there. Um. And it 254 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: was several reasons why I chose to do that, but 255 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: mostly because she passed away and I just wanted the 256 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: whole story out. But we decided, you know, we wanted 257 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: to find out who was who was telling the truth 258 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: the family or the history books, and we it was 259 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: interesting to see the reaction when we came out with 260 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: the truth. Uh. Some people loved it and some people 261 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: who were tied in with the the James family farm 262 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: in Missouri weren't happy to hear it at all, which 263 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: shocked us. That was actually the biggest shock we had. 264 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: So what was their reaction, What was the problem They 265 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to hear it at all? They wanted they Um, 266 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: I think what happened. There's the the farm that he 267 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: grew up in Carney, Missouri, and then up the road 268 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: about thirty minutes away thirty probably thirty to forty miles 269 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: north of Carney is St. Joseph, Missouri and the house 270 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: that they have a house in St. Joseph, Missouri where 271 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: Jesse was allegedly assassinated, and they bring in they brought 272 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 1: in millions of dollars a year and tourism money. And 273 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what tyde that that was the main Um. 274 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: I guess the trigger that set them off. They didn't 275 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: want to hear it, they didn't want to talk about it, 276 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: and that was that. Uh. So they ended up getting 277 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: an exhimation in the exhumed the alleged grave of Jesse, 278 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: and everything about their exhimation, in the way they performed 279 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: it was proven to be false. Uh. The hair they 280 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: tested didn't come from Jesse's head. It came from another 281 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: man's head. Uh. The lawyer who was over that, uh 282 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: he was there was a guy at the time. It 283 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: was at Clay County Parks Director and the Clay County 284 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: Commissioner and the parks parks director and the commissioner were 285 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: good friends. They they held the possession of the hair 286 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: and a tooth that was tested because they when they 287 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: exhumed the grave, they couldn't get DNA samples out of 288 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: the grave. In fact, there was multiple bodies in that grave, 289 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: as a woman, a woman's bones, and male bones, so 290 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: they couldn't figure out which bones to test. None of 291 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: those bones produced any good AT or good DNA or 292 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: DNA they were looking for, so they they petitioned the 293 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: court to get the hair and the tooth that the 294 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: the attorney, the Clay County Parks director held, and that 295 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: tooth didn't. He said, he hated the way the exclamation 296 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: was being held. It was a tall, dry side show, 297 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: and he didn't he didn't agree with any part of it. 298 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: So he pulled the hair out of his friend's head 299 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: and submitted that as And his friend's name was John Hartman. 300 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: He was parks director. It was he had. He worked 301 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: for the Clay County Parks Department. Um he pulled a 302 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: hair out of his head and submitted that, and they 303 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: tested it, and they even built documentaries based on that 304 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: false air or the false sample, and they claimed that 305 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: they had proven Jesse died as history said. And when 306 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: we dug into it, we found out all those secrets 307 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: like that and others and just no pun intended. But 308 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: my late mother blew their story full of holes. Sounds 309 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: like it, my goodness, and you're carrying on the tradition 310 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: you're and your sister. So for people that don't know, 311 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: how would you summarize you're a great great grandfather Jesse James, 312 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: Like what made him stand out in American history? What 313 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: made him stand out here? You know, some people called 314 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: him a bad man. He was a robber. He robbed uh, stages, 315 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: banks and trains, and you know that's not typically considered 316 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: as good hood. But he was also said to have 317 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: helped the poor people. Uh, kind of like a modern 318 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: day Robin Hood, and a lot of people in the 319 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: day called them America's Robin Hood, and that there was 320 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: a one journalist in particular, John Newman Edwards who wrote 321 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: who he was basically pr for Jesse and his his 322 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: entire gang. He wrote sad stories on how poorly they 323 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: were treated during and after the war, after the Civil War, 324 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: and he just he wrote great stories in favor of 325 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: the James Gang. And that that's that led to his 326 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: his uh, I guess, his his reputation for standing up 327 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: for the model the common man. Nice see, you know, 328 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: And as you're talking, I'm just like envisioning this this uh, 329 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, guy at a on the cowboy hat riding 330 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: his horses around, you know, doing what was seen as 331 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: rotten things. But if he's helping out the coman man, 332 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I think I'm sure he drew a 333 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: crowd of support, But now, how did he get involved 334 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: with this whole so Freemasonry, he faked his death and 335 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: he joined them. It's like, what, you know, we just 336 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: don't think about that. We just don't think about that possibility. 337 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: But look at the history of Freemasonry, and it goes 338 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: pretty far back, right, Yeah, it does, uh, you know, 339 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: And some Freemasons I've spoken to they seemed appalled to 340 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: think that an outlaw would have joined Freemasonry, and a 341 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: couple of other people have mentioned that to me. But 342 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: when you look at Freemason's history back to the Templar, 343 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: they descend from the Night's Templar, and they claimed that um, 344 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: they the Templar themselves were outlaws in their day. For 345 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: centuries and and thirteen o seven, the Catholic Church in corps, 346 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: in cooperation with the King of France it was Philip 347 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: the Fair at the time, they raided the templar castles 348 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: and strongholds, trying to get all their gold and silver 349 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: and that from that day forth, they've been considered outlaws 350 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: are they were by the Catholic Church and for centuries 351 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: by most of Europe, so who were controlled by the 352 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: Catholic Church. Um, it's kind of and a lot of 353 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: them turn to piracy. So you know, there's it's some 354 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: people find it hard to believe, but if you look 355 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: at the historical aspect of it, that the Templar themselves 356 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: were outlaws, yeah, you know, and desperate people do desperate things, 357 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: and that's how we get so called criminal activity. You know, 358 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: they're with they're lacking something, so and they see you 359 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: driving by in your sports car and they're like, hey, 360 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: I want that, and I can you know, knock you 361 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: off your tricycle and get it through, you know. So 362 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: it's like it's not a it's not a stretch of 363 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: the imagination. White people do these types of things. And 364 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: it's like what motivated Jesse James to do what he 365 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: did it and then to kill himself or not, you know, 366 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: not fully, not truly, but in the eyes of the public, 367 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: so he could go off and do other things. Now 368 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: what were those other things? That's the question. What was 369 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: he up to in the Freemasons? He? Um? You know, 370 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: in his heart. I've still haven't found the answer as 371 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: to win he joined. I don't know if he joined 372 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: under his real name of Jesse or under his alias 373 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: of James L. Courtney. I've talked to a couple of 374 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: Masons who were elderly gentlemen, some of them were passed 375 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: by now, and they said all the Masons in his 376 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: area knew exactly who he was. They knew he was 377 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: Jesse James Um. But he either way he was he 378 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: joined the Mason's and I believe, I don't have proof yet, 379 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: but I believe he joined during the Civil War UM 380 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: General Albert Pike. He was a brigadier general for the Confederates. 381 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: UM Albert was, you know, a famous thirty third degree Mason. 382 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: He wrote the books of many books, but one of 383 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: his most famous books was Morals and dolt Um. Jesse 384 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: and the groupie road with during the Civil War had 385 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: camped with Albert Pike most you know, several times at least, 386 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: and I've often wondered if that's where he was explosed 387 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: to Freemasons. UM. I know is a lot of his 388 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: ancestors were also Freemasons, so it may have come just 389 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: been a family tradition. I'm not sure. Oh it does 390 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: tick in the families. Well, we gotta get to our 391 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes 392 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: Late with Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 393 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: and Coast the Coast damn paranormal podcast Network. Tick around, 394 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to 395 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Late with me Hii Hollis on the I 396 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a am para normal 397 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: podcast network. I have Daniel Duke who is the great 398 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: great grandchild of Jesse James, the outlaw Freemason night templar 399 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: Uh goodness. I don't know how deep this all goes, 400 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: but you know, a point to to make here. It's 401 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that you know he goes into 402 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: the freemasonry and and may have faked his own death. 403 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: And you know, you think about outlaws of today, people 404 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: who have uh broke the law and sitting in jail. 405 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: But they've got skills, right, They're able to hack a 406 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: computer or they're able to break into safes, and you 407 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: think the government will let that talent go to way 408 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: so heck no, no, they're gonna go on the payroll, 409 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: they're gonna have these big passes to jump out of jail. 410 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think it's a stretch of 411 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: the imagination that Jesse, James, Me and Deed have done that, uh, 412 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: to do certain things with his special skills for certain people. 413 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: That's true. Um. In in his day, well, during the 414 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: Civil War especially, he rode with Quantrell's guerrillas and that's 415 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: where he got I would say all of his training. Actually, 416 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,239 Speaker 1: most of his training was during the Civil War. He 417 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: was fourteen years old roughly when he started. Uh, he 418 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: was still a young man, our teenager when the war ended. 419 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: And um. You know, you combine the mindset of a 420 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: teenage boy with those kind of skills and it's the world. 421 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: I guess the sky's the limit in in some aspects. Um, 422 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: they were like special forces in their day. Ah, that 423 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: makes sense. Okay, Well then we we get how he 424 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: got into the business that he did. So how does 425 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: this all play into the tie in with the Knights 426 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: Templar and the treasures, Like what did you come across that? Um? 427 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: When we first you know, there was a treasure map 428 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: that had been passed down through the family and trying 429 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: to figure that out. It took years to figure that out, 430 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: over twenty years. And where do you live again? And 431 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: where's this treasure map? I'm just asking for a friend 432 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: central Texas. Oh, okay, I'll be there. Currently I'm living 433 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: in northeast Texas. But it all started in Central Texas. 434 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: UH got the We had the treasure map. It was encrypted. 435 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: There was a lot of code on it. We we 436 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: finally cracked the code, and the code wasn't too hard. 437 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: It was just a substituting numbers for letters, and sometimes 438 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: the alphabet would be either forwards or backwards. Uh finally 439 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: figured that out. But we still didn't have any topographic landmarks. 440 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: And a man named George Roming. He was also he 441 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: was a thirty second degree Freemason UM, a former World 442 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: War Two vent He was an elderly gentleman when I 443 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: met him. He had when he was a young boy, 444 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: around ten to twelve years of age, Jesse. He lived 445 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 1: near where Jesse lived. When Jesse was an old man UM, 446 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: Jesse hired George to help him move seven hundred bars 447 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: of gold each way in about fifteen pounds each, twenty 448 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: miles away, where they met several other old men. Two 449 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: other old men who had who had both also hired 450 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: two younger boys about George's age, and George knew the 451 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,479 Speaker 1: two boys. Um they buried the seven hundred bars of gold. 452 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: About two years later, they'd all lied about their age 453 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: and joined World War Two. At the end of the war, 454 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: George was the only one living. All the old men 455 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: had died of old age, and the other two boys 456 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: who helped him bury the gold had died during the war. 457 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: So George, as far as he knew, was the only 458 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: man who knew about the gold and before he passed. 459 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: And this sounds like a typical treasure legend. Um. He 460 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: had contacted my mother about ten years prior, but he 461 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: was he knew he was well. He kept getting sick. 462 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: He thought his time was closed. So he drew a 463 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: map and showed my mother and I where the gold 464 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: he buried was. So we followed the map. It's currently are, 465 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: or the at least the location of it is on 466 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: four Hood Military Reservation. And when we found that out, 467 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: we thought, you know, we're not crossing over that line. 468 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: That's good way to end up in a federal prison. 469 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: So but the part that helped was we knew a 470 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: location and we went from there, uh, you know, around 471 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 1: the around the time it was actually before George had 472 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: passed away. Wagner Carr, he was a former Attorney general 473 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: for the State of Texas. He'd said he was interested 474 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: in Jesse and the treasures as well. He he contacted 475 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: my mother. Um, after several conversations, he had his driver. 476 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: He sent his driver to pick us up and show 477 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: us where the locations of three large catches were buried. 478 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: And those uh accord him, they the State of Texas 479 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: oversaw the recovery of those treasures. I asked him where 480 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: they went. He never would say a word. Um that 481 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: he didn't want to talk about that. And I'm sure 482 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't even know where that could have ended up. 483 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: But it gave me for a total of four locations 484 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: after that to go by. And there was a template, 485 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: uh if you look up Nights of the Golden Circle. 486 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: They were like a secret service for the Confederacy during 487 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: the Civil War. During the Civil War they were they 488 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: would sabotage railroads and burn bridges and things like that, 489 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: trying to slow the movements of Union troops. After the 490 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: Civil War, the Knights of the Golden Circle, who everybody 491 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: calls k G. C the acronym they they they wanted 492 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 1: to It said that they wanted to fund a second 493 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: Civil war, which reminds me of two rival football teams. 494 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: You know, the loser never wants to just give up. 495 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: They want to fight again. So they were based on 496 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: the stories about them, they were. Their goal was to 497 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: get as much money as they could anyway they could, 498 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: to fund a second Civil War. I don't I believe 499 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: that's what they wanted, but I don't believe that's how 500 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: it went. And I think Freemasonry, or aspects of the 501 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: Freemasons like Jesse and others, may have used that as 502 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: a way of getting as much gold as they could 503 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: and redistributing it to their catches that they had um 504 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: And what I'm getting to make a long story short, 505 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: that the Knights of the Golden Circle. It's you can 506 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: type in Knights of the Golden Circle treasure template and 507 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: you'll find, like in Google or Yahoo, wherever, you'll find 508 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: a picture of this template. It's it's like a rhombus 509 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: or a diamond shape and it's got two circles in 510 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: it and some symbols. Well, that is one sale of 511 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: a grid system that covers the Americas and I found 512 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: this out over years. When I started lining it up 513 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: on Google Earth, I thought, you know, at the time, 514 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: I had no no reason to disbelieve the Knights of 515 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: the Golden Circle involvement. But I started I lined these up, 516 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: and I noticed they lined up with a lot of 517 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: treasure legends but also areas of historical importance that predated 518 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: the Knights of the Golden Circle by centuries. And and 519 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: for for that reason and several others, I discounted the 520 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: involvement of the Knights of the Golden Circle. I think 521 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: they were um. I guess this isn't a nice way 522 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: to put it, but in a way, they were considered 523 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: useful idiots in a way, Uh, I think I think 524 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: the Mason's used what they had um and attributed to 525 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: their own template. I think the template was a Masonic 526 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: template and not the Knights of the Golden Circle template. 527 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: But it lines up with Oak Island, uh, the Newport 528 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: Tower and Rhode Islands that's attributed to John Dee and 529 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: and the Templar. There's there's controversy over who did it, um, 530 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: But after all the research I found out whether it 531 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: was John Die or the Templar, it was the same organization. Uh, 532 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: it lines up with Victoria Peak, New Mexico. We're back 533 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: in the thirties, approximately three billion dollars of gold was 534 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: found by a man named doc Nos, who ended up 535 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: murdered a few years later. Um that that gold had 536 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: about three billion in treasure in it in the thirties 537 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: and can you imagine what that would be worth today? 538 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: But all those treasures out date are pre dated the 539 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: nights of the Golden Circle by centuries. Um. Oh, and 540 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: the treasure in New Mexico at Victoria Peak is even 541 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: mentioned in the Watergate hearings. Wow. Yeah, this goes deep. 542 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: I mean, wow, we've been all over the map from 543 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: Oak Island to uh pretty much. It's good. Yeah. And 544 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: the thing about the temple, the template that I'm talking 545 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: about that makes a grid system, I found out it's 546 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: a medium, a large, medium, and small template which and 547 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: those overlay another template which is in the shape of 548 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: the Cabalistic Tree of Life, which stretches from Williamsburg, Virginia 549 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: to Victoria Peak, New Mexico. And you know, as there's 550 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: ten main points on the Cabalistic Tree of Life that 551 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: that ties in with, and then the grid system overlays 552 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: that and the grid system. The whole thing ties in 553 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: with the Tree of life. It's it's really interesting to me, 554 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: and that blew my mind as well. Um it it's 555 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: the grid system is represent our symbolic of the three 556 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: negative three three veils of negative existence, which always accompanies 557 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: the cabalistic tree of life. Um And I know that 558 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: I could get real deep in that, but I wanted 559 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: to know who did this and why and what the 560 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: dimensions were. Why did they lay it out in a 561 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: certain dimensions that they did, like so many miles from 562 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: from the center to say, the inner circle and then 563 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: the outer circle. And it all tied in with that 564 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: led me down rabbit holes like you wouldn't believe, ties 565 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: in with a lot of esoteric traditions from the Middle 566 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: East and throughout Europe. Christian Jewish and Middle Eastern Cabbala 567 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 1: are are I'm sorry trick Christian Jewish and a cult 568 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: cabala and a lot of other traditions. So I ended 569 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 1: up before this all started. When I heard the word cabala, 570 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, that's that thing where celebrities in 571 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: Hollywood wear a red string on the wrist. That's as 572 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: much as I knew about it. Yeah, it really. It 573 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: really blew my mind as to how deep it went, 574 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: and it just it kept going. So I found out, Um, 575 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: it was in a way, it's like doing a family tree, 576 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: only for an organization. And it went from Jesse and 577 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: his group he joined. He was a Freemason. Most of 578 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: the men with him were Freemasons, and went from Freemasons 579 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 1: through the Founding Fathers back to uh uh Sir Francis Bacon, 580 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: who was known as the founder of modern day Freemason 581 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, this is the guy who did it. 582 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: He wrote a book called The New Atlantis, which is 583 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: basically an out um like a blueprint for what America 584 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: was meant to be um and I thought this, this 585 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: is great, this is the guy who did it. I 586 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: was finally satisfied, you know, followed the trail to the 587 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: end that lasted for about three days until I got 588 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: to digging around people who surrounded Sir Francis Bacon h 589 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: Like his mentor John d who was known as the 590 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: original Double O seven. He was an alchemist and the 591 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: double O seven signature that he would sign his letters 592 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: with when he wrote to the Queen was was actually 593 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: they were actually alchemical symbols and around that time and 594 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: I stopped me if I'm rambling too much? Oh no, 595 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: it's great. You know, I want to pick this up 596 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: after the break, if that's okay. I'm wondering how many 597 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: connections to Kevin Bacon that Sir Francis Bake. Well, all right, 598 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: you guys, so you gotta get to her next break. 599 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 600 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 601 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: a m para normal podcast network. We'll be right back. 602 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 603 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 604 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: to Coast a m para normal podcast network. Wow, Daniel, uh, 605 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: it's it's so much and it's so fascinating. I want 606 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: you to finish your thought where you're speaking just a 607 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: minute ago. Okay? Yeah. Um, so I thought Sir Francis 608 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: Bacon was the final the the guy who came up 609 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: with all this, and until I look it's that that 610 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: feeling of peace finally ended about three days later when 611 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: I found out there was a lot more. Um. It 612 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: went from from Sir Francis Bacon to his mentor John 613 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: d through men like Sir Christopher Wren, who had connections 614 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: with with uh the william the Church of William and 615 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia, and that ties back to what 616 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier. UM, there was a lady name uh 617 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: Marie Bauer Hall. She was the wife of another famous freemason, 618 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: thirty third degree Freemason name Manly Palmer Hall. Uh Marie 619 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: had had worked spent much of her life decoding UM 620 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: encryptions she found in the works of Shakespeare and UH 621 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: that led her to Williamsburg, Virginia, the Bruton Parish Church. 622 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: And in that churchyard there's a cemetery. Some of the 623 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: gravestones had Anagraham's on them. And I'm trying to make 624 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 1: this a real quick story. UM. The throughout the well 625 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: decrypting the encrypted are encrypted art and words in the 626 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: writings of Shakespeare, which she attributes to Sir Francis Bacon 627 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: and some of his close friends. And the anagram's on 628 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: the headstones in the cemetery of Bruton Parish Church. She 629 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: found out that there was an original church that was 630 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: older than the one that's standing, and no one believed her. 631 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: She proved them wrong. And found the foundations of the 632 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: original church in the same churchyard. And it went further 633 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: than that to claiming that there is a vault twenty 634 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: two ft deep beneath the foundations of the original church 635 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: that had treasures that that would if it was normal 636 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: treasures like you know, the the typical gold, silver, and jewels. 637 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: But it went further than that and included information that 638 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: she said would shake history, shake the foundations of history 639 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: as we know it. And it also included information that 640 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: would shake a lot of modern large religious beliefs. So yeah, 641 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: and that that's that, that's a handful in itself. Um, 642 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: But I kept going and back to Francis Bacon and 643 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: the connections. It ended up going through a lot of 644 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: well known historical figures. Leonardo da Vinci was one. Um, 645 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: there were a lot of them. It went back through Rosicrucians, alchemists, 646 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: and Jewish rabbis who tied into like a one writing 647 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: on one of the guys, Paleo Rissio. He was a 648 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: They claimed he was a converted Jewish Jewish Man who 649 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: had converted to Catholicism. Um. He wrote a book which 650 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 1: was he translated some cabalistic works from Abraham and Bulafia. 651 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: And on the title the cover page of that book, 652 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: written and or published in fifteen sixteen, there were hidden 653 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: symbols all over the cover of it showing the New World. 654 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: I laid the map over the picture over the tiles 655 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: in the floor on that cover art, and it was 656 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: a map of the known world pointing down to it. 657 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: And he also had a tree of life. Everything about 658 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: that that cover tied in with the treasures in the 659 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: New World in the Americas um and it kept going. 660 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: It went all the way back to a rabbi known 661 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: as Rashie, who was a favorite court guest of Hugh, 662 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: the Count of Champagne, who was one of the founder 663 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: of the Templar. So I had found all that, I 664 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: wrote my first book, and I thought, people are gonna 665 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: think I'm insane when I when this comes out, I got, 666 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, I got extremely fortunate and uh uh. Found 667 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: found a literary agent who would take on you know, 668 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: who loved it, and she found a publisher a few 669 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: months later, and I thought, people are gonna think I'm insane. 670 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: But what made my day was the current Grand Master 671 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,280 Speaker 1: of the Knights Templar, Timothy Hogan, who's also an author 672 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: and a lecturer. Uh. He wrote a glowing endorsement of 673 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: my book and said that I had cracked part of 674 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: the code dealing with the treasures that tied back to 675 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: the temple in Jerusalem. Oh that that's quite a compliment. Yeah. 676 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: That that even today, that gives me goosebumps when I 677 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: think of it. Um, it ties back, I'm sure maybe. Well, 678 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: I would imagine a lot of your listeners have heard of, 679 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: and you yourself have heard of the da Vinci Code 680 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: and and the book that he based that on, the 681 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Um, this the story that I 682 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: wrote about that ties in with Jesse and the treasures 683 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: in the America's is a continuation of that story without 684 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: I just I'm just like, I let that sink in 685 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 1: and too the wow, okay, wow, that blew my mind. 686 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm still it makes Yeah, it gives me goosebumps every 687 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: time I think about it. Alreading out searching an old 688 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: West outlaw and you find out through him dumbling across 689 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: one of the biggest treasure stories in history. This is 690 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: this is crazy. So, I mean, there's so much that 691 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: you've uncovered. You know, people always say, if I had 692 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: a superpower, I'd want to fly. I'm like, I want 693 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: to be able to dig. I want to go through 694 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: dirt really fast, because there's so much history right underneath 695 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: our feet that people have been bearing for literally for 696 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: a very long time. And I know there's so much 697 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: it needs to be unearthed. And you've been doing quite 698 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: a bit in your research and unearthing. But where do 699 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: you go from here? I mean, are you still uncovering 700 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: things that it might fit into another book I have? 701 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: It's it's led me to three books. I've written all 702 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: three books that The first one was about the treasures, 703 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 1: the second was about how Jesse faked his death and 704 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: lived to the age of nineties seven and you know 705 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: as as a farmer in Texas um. And then the 706 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: last book, the most recent one, was about his powerful 707 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: connections to the Baptist Sure and several other organizations. These 708 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: are these are good Jesse James and the Lost Templar Treasure, 709 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: The Mysterious Life and Fake Death of Jesse James, and 710 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: Secret History of the Wild Wild West. Wow, man, so 711 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: you were saying, just now, oh, well, I mean he's 712 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: even related to us presidents. Uh. And this one president 713 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: in particular, isn't the most popular by any means, it 714 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: was President Lyndon Baines Johnson l b J. Um. I 715 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: never met l b J of course, but I did 716 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: meet um and a man who I'm trying to try 717 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: to not say it so I don't I don't want 718 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: to offend the wrong people. But um, Billy saw Estes. 719 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,399 Speaker 1: He was known as a con man. Some people called 720 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: them kind of like well a hit man in ways. 721 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: For lb J um he would sell non existent uh 722 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: grain like fertilizer plants to two investors back on Wall 723 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: Street and get a ton of money. And some of 724 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 1: that money was said to have been filtered through to 725 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 1: lb J which is what got him where he was. Um. Wow, 726 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: you know there's so many you know, we think about 727 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories today, but the stuff from the past just 728 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's you know, the things that are old 729 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: are new again, let's put it that way. Because we 730 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,240 Speaker 1: hear these types of supporting funds that come from shady 731 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: places at times. And yeah, I met I met Billy 732 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,840 Speaker 1: saw Estes at at an exhimation of a grave in Granbury, Texas. 733 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: I met him, and that I had already met Wagner Carr, 734 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: the former Attorney General for Texas, who, by the way, 735 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: said on the Warring Commission who investigated the assassination of JFK. 736 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: And I always steer clear of that. I don't want 737 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: to get I don't want to go down that road. Um, 738 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,879 Speaker 1: I'm just sticking with Jesse in the Templar and the treasure. Smart. Yeah, 739 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: because they're not even releasing those records all these years later. 740 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 1: You know, it's like there's a lot of people still 741 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: living that were involved in that mess. I'm assuming you 742 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: know why else there's the exactly Yeah, I stopped with 743 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: lb J. There's a lot more connections, but that's that's 744 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,399 Speaker 1: where I wanted to stop. I didn't want to make 745 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: the wrong people angry at me. So, oh my gosh, 746 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: it's this. This is amazing. It's it's deep stuff. You know. 747 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: So if people wanted to check out your books or 748 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, hand over some secret papers that they've 749 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: gotten their family, uh, to help you write in your 750 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: next book, how do they get a hold of you? 751 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,840 Speaker 1: What's your website? Well, my website is Daniel Duke author 752 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: dot com. I've got so many emails and websites, but 753 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: you can you can google my name Daniel Duke and 754 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: Jesse James. Uh you can find a website. I'm on Facebook, 755 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter. Dan Duke Author, Um yeah, I always 756 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: have to say author because there's several other Dan Dukes 757 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: that this kind of has this this flow to it. 758 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: So I see author Dan Duke dot com. That's your 759 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: main website. Yes, awesome. Well this has been fascinating and 760 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: well there's there's so much to dig into yet. And 761 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on the program. This is 762 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: really really a unique conversation. I have to say thank you. 763 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 1: I thank you for having me on the program as 764 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 1: a great author. Yes, truly. All right, Well, um you guys, 765 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: we have come to the bottom of another fabulous program. 766 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: I I learned a lot today and um actually I 767 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: planned to put uh Dan in touch with a friend 768 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: of mine who did the film Bloodline. I think they're 769 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: going to have some interesting conversations about some of these 770 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 1: night templar connections and freemasonry. Wow, just just wow. Uh 771 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: you guys. Also, I want to remind you go to 772 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com or 773 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: shadow Folks dot com. Go and follow me, follow this program, 774 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: Go to Instagram, go to Twitter, Facebook, and put a 775 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: one in front of my name. So at one Heidi 776 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: Hollis and connect with me. Chat with me. I love conversating. 777 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: You'll be surprised. And also, don't forget to check out 778 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: my comic. My paranormal comic strip is called the Outlanders 779 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: and you can find it at the Outlanders Comic on 780 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,800 Speaker 1: Instagram or the Outlanders Comic dot com. I am never bored. 781 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,839 Speaker 1: I'm always doing something, writing several books at the same 782 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,879 Speaker 1: time and juggling all at the same time. I'm just kidding, um, 783 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, so you know what, I have to give 784 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,399 Speaker 1: it to you, guys. I mean I have received so 785 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: many the of information about so much that's going on, 786 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 1: so many of the worries isn't going on out there 787 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: in the world, and so many paranormal events. And I'm 788 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: telling you, one step at a time, let's not let's 789 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,400 Speaker 1: not get ahead of ourselves and think the worst is happening. 790 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: I just have this really awesome feeling that everything's gonna 791 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: be okay, good wins in the end. Remember that, all right, 792 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 1: you guys. You have been listening to Darctor comes Light 793 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,280 Speaker 1: with me, Idie Hollis, Annie, I Heart Radio and Coast 794 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: to Coast I AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We'll see you 795 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: next time. Stay safe, everybody, good bye. Well, if you 796 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,799 Speaker 1: like this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait till you 797 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: hear the next one. You've been listening to the I 798 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,280 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network