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Speaker 1: Well, Hong Kong officials pushing to convince the world that

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Speaker 1: the Chinese territory remains the go to place in Asia

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Speaker 1: for finance. Hong Kong's summit for global bankers begins today

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Speaker 1: and joining us from Hong Kong is in a Karrent Bloomberg,

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Speaker 1: Chief Asia Economics correspondent, and there are colleagues. Shuley Ran

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Speaker 1: in opinion has written a piece saying the mood is

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Speaker 1: all gloom and doom, and and the bankers and asset

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Speaker 1: managers she's been speaking to a worried So how does

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong convince the world that it is the go

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Speaker 1: to place in Asia for finance? Well, Juliet, this is

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Speaker 1: a very important event for Hong Kong. From the government's idea.

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Speaker 1: Idea was to project this huge hub reopening, easing up

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Speaker 1: in the quarantine restrictions and on the COVID restrictions, bringing

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Speaker 1: the world's big bankers, and of course end the week

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Speaker 1: then with the Big Sevens rugby festival. But you'd have

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Speaker 1: to say it isn't quite playing out like that. The

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Speaker 1: mood music is pretty low to begin with. Several senior

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Speaker 1: finance executives have are not coming for one reason. Or

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Speaker 1: another starts taking some shine off it. Secondly, there's been

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Speaker 1: some practice issues around. For example, the Finance Secretary he

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Speaker 1: got COVID, so it became unclear whether or not Hong

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Speaker 1: Kong's own top economic official could be in attendance. And

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Speaker 1: then thirdly, we've had some weather related issues here. Hong

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Speaker 1: Kong strict rules around what happens when a typhoon is

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Speaker 1: and that's cast a shadow over you know how that

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Speaker 1: say if the idea was that Hong Kong was going

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Speaker 1: to flick a switch and project itself as reopen to

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Speaker 1: as normal, that doesn't seem to be the mood music

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Speaker 1: or the vibes. And as Sholey says in her own piece,

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Speaker 1: there's still a lot of concern, I think, and worry

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Speaker 1: among the bankers in Hong Kong indeed. And meanwhile we

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Speaker 1: are seeing, and it's always been a comparison, Singapore outpacing

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Speaker 1: Global Financial Centers in Index, Singapore is Asia's top financial center.

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Speaker 1: So how do authorities try and convince money to come

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Speaker 1: back into Hong Kong. We heard the Finance Secretary Paul

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Speaker 1: Chan refusing claims that Hong Kong is losing its datas

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Speaker 1: in a bold post. Well, there's so much negative sentiment

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Speaker 1: around Hong Kong, I think primarily because it is on

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Speaker 1: this political fall clime. It's essentially caught between the US

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Speaker 1: tense geopolitical competitive sort of back and forwarth it's going

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Speaker 1: you have to say it's going to cast doubt over

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Speaker 1: there are sanctions against the leader Hong Kong, John Lee.

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Speaker 1: You have a situation where by Wall Street bankers are

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Speaker 1: having to tread a line of attending a conference that's

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Speaker 1: been led by someone who's under sanctions by the US government.

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Speaker 1: That's obviously a very very difficult for them to maneuver.

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Speaker 1: So the sentiment towards Hong Kong is very negative, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of Hong Kong can

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Speaker 1: do about that given what's happening. But between Beijing and Washington.

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Speaker 1: But then there's the other story, which is a broader

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Speaker 1: global economic backshrop, which is also negative for Hong Kong.

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Speaker 1: The whole story about rising interest rates, money or trunning

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Speaker 1: global trade, the slowing in house prices are as real

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Speaker 1: for Hong Kong's government. All of those kind of macroeconomic

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Speaker 1: So there's always been a narrative around Hong Kong, which

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Speaker 1: is quite right that it has rebounded from testing periods

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Speaker 1: amount of different variables that are going against Hong Kong

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Speaker 1: all all the same time. I mean, you've lived there

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Speaker 1: I think they figure used by the government is certainly

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Speaker 1: well over one hundred and fifty thousand, maybe around tun

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Speaker 1: It's obviously a still a place to do business. It's

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Speaker 1: obviously still the financial capital for China. Shanghai remains behind

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Speaker 1: it does attract talent, it doesn't money, however, clearly, as

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Speaker 1: I was saying at the beginning, at the beginning there

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Speaker 1: it's losing a lot of its lustra as an international

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Speaker 1: freewheeling basis now being seen as complicated. It's part of

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Speaker 1: But you have to say, clearly, clearly, some of that

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Speaker 1: I mean, we had John Lee outline some of those

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Speaker 1: tougher measures to get talent visas. Yeah, I think, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong hasn't done that. They've been kind of in

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Speaker 1: First of all, it had a very difficult six months

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Speaker 1: and everything else and trying impose restrictions, and then of

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Speaker 1: course their reopening has been quite staggered, and people don't

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Speaker 1: the policy address, let's try and put some visas out

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Speaker 1: there to attract some talent. But you have to say,

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Speaker 1: to up story. So Julia, people can argue about the

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Speaker 1: pros and cons of the visa program to have enough

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Speaker 1: this is a bigger picture than visas. It's really fundamental

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Speaker 1: It was a very bad read for Hong Kong's economy.

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Speaker 1: It shows the depth of what's happening. You know, at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the year Juliet, there was a feeling that, oh,

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Speaker 1: come beyond that. I mean, on the ground whatever for

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Speaker 1: it's been wide open from months in terms of activities

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Speaker 1: time that real estate prices are coming off. That's a

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Speaker 1: And then throw into the mixed of rising fed rates,

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Speaker 1: now you're in a charity word. This isn't about COVID anymore.

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Speaker 1: The COVID story you could argue with hitting the consumers,

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Speaker 1: it's no longer just that. It's about a whole range

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Speaker 1: it goes to the point that Hong Kong hasn't been

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Speaker 1: able to fickus whitch and say hey, we're reopen for business.

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Speaker 1: It's back to normal. That point hasn't happened at all,

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Speaker 1: all right, and negative four and a half percent, Brian

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Speaker 1: telling me you're on here the Hong Kong Economy. Indo Karen,

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Speaker 1: thank you as always great reporting. Indo Karen is Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Chief Asia Economics correspondent with US in Hong Kong, where

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Speaker 1: the Hong Kong Summit for global bankers began yesterday, with

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Speaker 1: officials trying to convince the world the Chinese territory does

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Speaker 1: remain the go to place in Asia for finance