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Speaker 1: You know this is where gangster rap lives, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Thanks all, We like to welcome you to another episode

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Speaker 1: the Gainst the Chronicles podcast where Gangster Rap Lives is

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Speaker 1: your boy Big Steel along with and today we have

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Speaker 1: a man of many traits and he's good at all

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Speaker 1: the motherfuckers. You know how your expression skilled that many things,

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Speaker 1: but mastering now you actually master of every motherfucking thing

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Speaker 1: you do. Accomplished author director, yes, sir, social media mogul

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Speaker 1: and just all that good ship man. Yes, and I

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Mister Tarka she what's that

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Speaker 1: of all, it's usually man, Usually we don't get people

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Speaker 1: of your caliber. No, no offense, none or other guests.

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Speaker 1: We don't answer dope people on here. But you have

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Speaker 1: Man, I try, Man, I try. What took you on

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Speaker 1: Just wanting to bring the truth to things.

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Speaker 1: I started with relationship books. And the reason why I

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Speaker 4: Niggas no other than police shit, you know, racial pro

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Speaker 4: So the first place, you know, once we got to

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Speaker 1: And you know the fly thing is Man brothers from Compton,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, let me ask you something, ad, When did

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Speaker 4: He had motherfucking you better bring a gun pay back

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Speaker 3: All that was. That was that was pool. But they

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Speaker 4: Techno who was the producer, and Unknown had the label,

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Speaker 4: so that came out, and then Iced Tea. Of course

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Speaker 4: a DJ Slip. Slip was the producer. He was producing

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Speaker 1: So did y'all producer, Did y'all put out a record

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Speaker 4: It had three songs on it, Wanted Yes, Yes, we

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Speaker 1: I remember that record. The homie had that tape.

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Speaker 4: They were gonna stop fucking with Macola and they were

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Speaker 4: supposed to form West Coast Distributor some lonzown in Egypt

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Speaker 1: So then Orpheus put out Arabian Prince.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they put out a gang of bullshit. No disrespect

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Speaker 1: The whole album.

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Speaker 4: Hell No, a lot of it was produced by dj

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Speaker 3: All of that.

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Speaker 4: Nigga, all I wanted to do was be on the

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Speaker 1: Hell no, I never went the.

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Speaker 4: But see, all the niggas was was And I don't

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Speaker 1: And you know, so at that time, this is like

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Speaker 1: mention Okay, he.

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Speaker 4: Didn't mention us, But we did a record on Music

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Speaker 4: Who's Fucking Who?

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Speaker 3: And it was aimed at Tell.

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Speaker 4: We just felt we just felt disrespected because of all

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Speaker 4: the bad rap we were getting because of our style

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Speaker 3: You get me and everybody knows, you know, as far

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Speaker 1: So everybody would come out here. We welcomed them with

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We we've we've put on the shows with the with

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Speaker 4: to this day, outside artists get more love and respect

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Speaker 1: Did y'all perform at Skateland World on. Hell No, we couldn't.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't do that, not even World on Wills.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, No, at that time, we were, at that time,

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Speaker 3: We were stuck in the hood.

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Speaker 4: the beginning of my career rap career, I didn't leave Compton.

436
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: I mean that's all I knew.

437
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: I didn't, you know, as far as the game Banger

438
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: ship is concerned, we didn't travel outside the hood.

439
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: You knew a lot about hip hop dog Oh yeah, man,

440
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: I was around all that stuff. I was with the

441
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: L A Posse and all those guys. Oh yeah, my boy.

442
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 4: Slip he ran LA Sound Control, so they used to

443
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: provide all the sound systems for all the uh LA

444
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 4: Convention Center concerts. You know when they would bring run

445
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: DMC out here. My man Slipping them would provide the

446
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 4: sound systems, tables, all the big Serwin vegas and all

447
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 4: that shit.

448
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: Did you ever go to the Uncle jm Army?

449
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 4: I was young, but once I hooked up with Slip,

450
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 4: Slip was like I said, he ran LA Sound Control,

451
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: O Mob and then he was a local DJ at

452
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 4: a lot of those clubs back then water to Bush Paradise.

453
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: You know, so are you cool with Unknown? Still? I

454
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: haven't talked to Unknown?

455
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: Word?

456
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

457
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: How about how long?

458
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: I haven't talked to Unknown since uh Sony decided to

459
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 4: kick him out of my deal because I was complaining

460
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: when I found out he stole publishing money.

461
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: So you know, uh, I just saw him on some

462
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: ship he was on. He was on a covered up.

463
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah him a lonzo school. My problem is this.

464
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: And just like I say, if a nigga, if a

465
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 4: nigga can fuck you, he gonna fuck you.

466
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: Now, I was a young dude.

467
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 4: I knew nothing about the music business. I was just

468
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 4: coming into trying to find my identity.

469
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: As far as.

470
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: I'm gang bang, I'm claiming a neighborhood blob. I knew

471
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: nothing about the music business, but when it started, it

472
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: caught me like, you know, I'm finding myself not going

473
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: to the hood today because I'm sitting at home fucking

474
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: writing raps and shit. And so it caught my interest

475
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 4: because I looked at it like the fuck am I Finna?

476
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: Do you know you're trying to figure yourself out? Around

477
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 4: sixteen seventeen eighteen, what I'm Offinna?

478
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: Do you get me.

479
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: Were you guys and basically quick the first cruise to

480
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: claim sets, because I don't remember anybody claiming an actual set.

481
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: I knew people were part of sets. You guys openly

482
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: the set, and that was the first time I've seen that.

483
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: I didn't when I first started rapping, I didn't openly

484
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: say I was from trag New Park because I was

485
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: from trag New before, you know, before I started rapping

486
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: and around Compton that people knew exactly I already knew.

487
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 4: I didn't feel the need to do that. Now people

488
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: knew we were crips, you know what I'm saying, because

489
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: of the references. But I never openly came out and

490
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 4: said trag New And probably until my fourth or fifth record,

491
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: we were already gang banging. That was, like I tell people,

492
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 4: that was before.

493
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: Rap started.

494
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: So partly, you know, the situation with that is, you know,

495
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: I was from trag New, he was from his neighborhood.

496
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 4: That was openly known before records even you know, it

497
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 4: started coming out.

498
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, your movie that you got,

499
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: is it dropping at the end of this month? It's

500
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: dropping this week. Yeah, That's why I was gonna say

501
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: Microphone chellphone check. Yeah, you talk about the origins of

502
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: hip hop a lot over there. Do you touch on

503
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: the West Coast and no, We're gonna have to do

504
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: another film about the West Coast. That's why I'm tropping up.

505
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: Definitely be evolved. Absolutely, we would like to definitely because

506
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: Bob kat when you mentioned the La Bob Kett is

507
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: my god brother. Oh yeah, Bob is my god brother,

508
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: So I would definitely he definitely want to be a

509
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: part of that. You talk about something, That's what really

510
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: caught me. That's when I really start. I said, this

511
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: brother know what he's talking about. And I think I

512
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: commented on your Twitter page or ex or whatever it's called. Now, right,

513
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: I've been hearing the a lot of brothers, primarily from

514
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: the East Coast. No disrespect, none of them kids, right,

515
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: but they starting to rewrite history a little bit of

516
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: saying like hip hop is from the Caribbean. Now, that

517
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: may have been your inspiration, but that's not where it

518
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: comes from. That when you do a microphone check, did

519
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: you address a lot of that stuff? We dress all

520
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: of it, man, because you know, the fiftieth anniversary of

521
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: hip hop is here, so now that hip hop is

522
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: a positive thing. And it's corporate now, so there's a

523
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: lot of money coming into it. And plus they got

524
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: the b boying and break dancing in the Olympics now,

525
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: so now there's a lot of money in this. So

526
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: whenever something is looked at it's positive that we create,

527
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: we always have to get it taken away from us. Now,

528
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: they got to have a co creation origin. They got

529
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: to say we got it from Latinos and the Caribbeans,

530
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: and no disrespect to them, but hip hop and rap

531
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: none of that came from the Caribbean. There was a

532
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: myth that got started in the eighties that rap came

533
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: from Jamaican toasting. That's not true. And another myth they

534
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: tried to say, well cool hert is the creator hip hop.

535
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: He's not the creator, he's the godfather. Tell you who

536
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: the creator hip hop feels to be technical wition A

537
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: guy from North Carolina, Pig pig me Mark yeah, HIGI yeah.

538
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: That that record. He was actually rapping over a funk

539
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: break and a lot of rappers actually got their cadence

540
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: from that, and you know where from that, I'm gonna

541
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: tell you something. And him being from North Carolina, he

542
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: kind of made his bones in the Chiplan Circle in Harlem. Yeah,

543
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: and he was at the Apollo all the time. So

544
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure somebody went to the Apollo because he

545
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: was there like every week and he was winning that

546
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: motherfucker and he I'm pretty sure somebody went to the

547
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: Apollo and said, you know what, that's kind of tight,

548
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: same thing he was doing. If you've never heard from

549
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: the judge, Yeah, yeah, But we've been rapping on records

550
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: since the nineteen twenties. We've always done that, even without

551
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: when we weren't doing records, we would do something called hambone.

552
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: We were pad on our bodies and hambone Hambone. Have

553
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: you heard I'm Gonna Buy your mocking Bird? And know

554
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: mixed Master Spade he would wrap in the hambone cadence.

555
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: That's hamdbone, you know. So that's a part of our culture. Man,

556
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: we've been doing that stuff. Oh yeah, for sure. That's why,

557
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: because you know, shout out to my guy, mister Mix.

558
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about hip hop being on the

559
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: road with you know, between Bobcat. The foundation of hip

560
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: hop first of all is the DJ DJ slip. You

561
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying, DJ Slip? That was his guy, right,

562
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: you know through all the albums, right, so they would

563
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: hit me these records. I remember mister Mix played me

564
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: a record one day and he was like, this is

565
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: the first hip hop record right here, and he had

566
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: to treat that motherfucker like gold had in like this

567
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: little pillowcase and bored it from the top. Bitch. Sheldon

568
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: played it for me, man, and I said, wow, when

569
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: is this when this record come from? And like you said,

570
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: I found out later on that they had been making

571
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: records since like the twenties. And this is the people

572
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: right now. I'm seeing the culture get pill for from us,

573
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: like I've heard then. I don't never dissed nobody on

574
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: this show. We ain't about that. But I'm hearing people

575
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: go out there and say things on major platforms like

576
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: CNN because they just invite people. They go what they

577
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: do with these major publications, these major media houses. They

578
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: go look at whoever got the highest amount of people

579
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: on their Instagram with a YouTube, and they say, oh,

580
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: he must be an authority. So they call them people

581
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: in there, and they're in there acting as representatives for

582
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: a culture that they don't know shit about. So they

583
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: get to telling all these lives and stuff and those

584
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: lives eventually become fact. And that's the problem. Man. We

585
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: got to start gatekeeping the culture because what happens is

586
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: we let people tell these lies. They tell a little

587
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: lie and they get away with that, and the lives

588
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: just get bigger and bigger. So now when we start

589
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: reclaiming our music genres, they treat us like guests in

590
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: the genre, like Beyonce. Beyonce has a country album and

591
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: a lot of the country fans are acting like she's

592
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: a guest in country, like she's disrespecting country by claiming it.

593
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: But we created country music. I was created by foundational

594
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: Black Americans. Thing with rock and roll, they treat us

595
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: like guessing rock and rolls our music. They do the

596
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: same thing with jazz. They try to make us guests

597
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: in jazz. Now that's our creation, and it's happening with

598
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: If we not careful, man, I was telling somebody the

599
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: other day, I said, if we not careful, hip hop

600
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: is go go the way of rock and rolls and

601
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 1: all those other genres because if you look up thirty

602
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: years from now, because I'm looking at them like white

603
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: kids right now, I'm by no means racist, but I'm

604
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: telling the truth. This is fact right here. I'm not lying.

605
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: If you look at it now, they seem to be

606
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: pushing my booty holeless pink and this and that and

607
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: I sucked dick last night. Yeah you feel what I'm saying.

608
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: It's like they're seeing some wild stuff on these records, man,

609
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: and the other stuff is not really getting no attention, right.

610
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: Ain't no balance now, man, They just have a one

611
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: sided stereotype. They don't have any balance no more. Like

612
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: going back to the eighties, cats rapped about gang banging,

613
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: but they would put a consequence to it. Yeah, you

614
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: guys would have a consequence. Yeah, we're banging, but this

615
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: is gonna happen if you bang.

616
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I told you, you're gonna go to jail, or

617
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 4: you're gonna get killed, or you're homeie gonna get killed,

618
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: or they're gonna do a drive by on your house,

619
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 4: or the police is gonna do this or that the other.

620
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: So we always tried to make it, like you said,

621
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 4: a consequence, right, Like with six.

622
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: In the morning, with ice Teeth, there was a consequence

623
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff he was doing, ice Cube gangs, the gangster,

624
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: all that gangs and stuff he was doing. In the

625
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: end of the song Now I'm back in the County Blues,

626
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: you know. So there was always a consequence, so they

627
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: the artists knew to have a balance, like we're not

628
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: trying to tell you to do that. This is what

629
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: we did and this is the consequence of it. So

630
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: y'all don't do that. That's why they had we're all

631
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: in the same gang movement going on. They had self

632
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: destruction text saying, hey, don't rock with crack. Crack ain't cool.

633
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: That's why crack is looked down as negative today because

634
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: the rappers made it now, Oh for sure, even a

635
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: lot of people, especially for Mark generation. Yeah, if it

636
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: wasn't smoking weed or having a little bit hennessy, we

637
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: didn't mess with it because you was looked at as a.

638
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: Fiend ry type of drug.

639
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: Rappers rappers made that made that a negative thing. Even

640
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: the dudes who were serving, like, hey, yeah, I'm doing this,

641
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get out. Don't you fuck with no

642
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: bullshit like this. This ain't it?

643
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: Yeah for real?

644
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: Now it was glorified and hercosets and ship. That's you know,

645
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: they make that ship sound cool now, Oh, they make

646
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: it sound real.

647
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: Cool because of the generation.

648
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's because of the corporate structure. Man, the

649
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: record labels make them do that ship. They incentivized them.

650
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: They give them more money for that type of stuff,

651
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: whereas man back in the day man cats had somewhat

652
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: of a cold. Some people will say, hey, you niggas

653
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: would run up in record labels and smack motherfuckers up

654
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: back the dude. Yeah, they didn't really play like that

655
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: back then with these majors. They would tell them, Hey,

656
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this bullshit. I ain't putting on no dress,

657
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: I ain't about to do a duet with Kenny g.

658
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, you would tell them what I'm saying. You know,

659
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: we would stand up. Yeah, they would stand up.

660
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: You can come in and kick your motherfucking dough in

661
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: with a couple of baseball bats. Nigga, I'm not playing like, no,

662
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 4: I'm not doing it. And that's why people asked me

663
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 4: why you never did this or why you never did

664
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 4: more movies, because it was like, do you want to

665
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: be Can you put on the nose and paint your

666
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: face and put on the clown wig and can you

667
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: just And I'm like, no, man, how did you get

668
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 4: the role for.

669
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: A minister society ship?

670
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 4: The movies were getting popular with us in them, you know,

671
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: as far as rappers, you know, well we had uh well,

672
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 4: first of all, we had colors, so that kind of

673
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: set the tone a little bit. And then you know,

674
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: we had fucking Juice with Pok. We had Boys in

675
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 4: the Hood with Cube, we had what Trespassed with Ice

676
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: Tea and Cube. We had South Central with Glenn Plummer

677
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 4: and shit. So it was the Huge Brothers.

678
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: You get were you and those early reads with Tupac

679
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: when he was there? Yes, okay, how was that and

680
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: what happened? What went left?

681
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 4: Honestly, honestly, the Huge Brothers, I don't think they really

682
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: they didn't really want him in the movie. Really, the

683
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 4: Hughes brothers had been fucking with Pac for a while.

684
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 4: They did like Boutwatch. They probably did about five six

685
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: videos on Tupacs, so they knew him. They worked with him,

686
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: and you know, my mayor, Pac was very strong willed

687
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: and so you as a probably video director or you know,

688
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: your patients probably wore a little thin after working with

689
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: the controversial brother for five or six times. So but

690
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 4: at the time, and you know, you got this movie,

691
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: you got you know, the hookup with this company and

692
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 4: Tupac's demand, Yeah, come on records, the controversy. You know,

693
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 4: fucking my nigga got juice, my nigga got poetic justice.

694
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: Like we we we got fucked with him. So that was.

695
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: Probably one of the you know, we'll give y'all this movie,

696
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 4: but y'all gotta put my nigga in the movie.

697
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: And so.

698
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: I don't work with you give me. That's probably the

699
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: mind state. But you gotta get in where you fit in, right,

700
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: So they put him in the movie, but the character

701
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: they gave him was not suitable for him, you get me,

702
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: And that was the problem.

703
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: What didn't he like about because he was playing Scharif right, Yes,

704
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: they want to reef the conscious guy, but it's Tupac.

705
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 4: So you got me and a motherfucking you got me

706
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 4: in an al Capone ass killer movie and shit, and

707
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: I'm the one standing on the outside going, you know,

708
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: I'm that preacher on the corner where you know, you

709
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 4: go through those movies and the Preacher is always on

710
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 4: the corner telling everybody.

711
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: Why am I him? You get me? Why? And so

712
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: you want me to be that? Okay?

713
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: So I need an explanation. So I need y'all to

714
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 4: show why eight is a killer. Old dog's a killer,

715
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: tyrants turning into killer. Everybody's from the hood hard, But

716
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 4: I'm over here the conscious one. Now it gotta be

717
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: because you know, to the guy, I need a backstore, right, yeah,

718
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: because in the movie they know there's not a backstory

719
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: to this guy.

720
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: He's just there. Y'all don't need to be doing this.

721
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: And like I said, of course he's he's he's he's

722
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: with us because he's he's allowed, he's everywhere we are.

723
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: Why why is that nigga? Of course he's probably from

724
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: the hood, but they didn't explain it, and it fucked

725
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: with him. Every day we would come to table reads

726
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: and it would get to his time to read his part.

727
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: He would not read because he was not comfortable with

728
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 4: the character. Like, man, show me killing a nigga, Show

729
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: you know, me going to jail and and then I

730
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: change and come out and whatever. But to just have

731
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 4: me this conscious nigga a months a room of gangbanging,

732
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: dope dylan killer niggas, like don't make no sense.

733
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: The thing is, you know, as a writer, if he's

734
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: not the protagonist, you can always have somebody in the

735
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: movie where you don't know their best story. That would

736
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: have required them almost going in and rewriting the whole

737
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: damn script, right, And that's.

738
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: What he wanted.

739
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: He wanted a backstory, and they were like, we're not

740
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 4: doing that.

741
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: So it caused the riff.

742
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 4: And you know, you can, like you know, you as

743
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 4: a writer, director or whatever, you can only hold up

744
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 4: shit for so long, right, nigga, The money is changing

745
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 4: it right right. The executives is like, hey, what's going on?

746
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: How come we ain't starting to shoot? How come we

747
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 4: still doing fucking table reads and it's fucking two weeks

748
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: into this shit. We should be out filming. And that's

749
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 4: because they didn't know how to deal with the interruptions

750
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 4: every day. So after about a week or two, they

751
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 4: just decided, you know, and like I said, once the

752
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 4: bottom line comes and you tell the motherfucker man, we

753
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: losing like ten fifteen thousand a day because.

754
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: We ain't shooting, well, they ain't gonna give a fuck

755
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: who's in it.

756
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: Do you remember a lot of people was getting cast

757
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: in the same movies. I wonder because you know, the

758
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: dude that plays Sharif was a gang bangering boys in

759
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: the hood. He didn't want took the ball to the ball.

760
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 4: I went to school with Vontae Yes, oh wow, Yeah,

761
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: we went to school together.

762
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

763
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I went to school with Vonte.

764
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: Compton just got a lot of talent. Talent, a lot

765
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: of talented folks out there. You know, like some of

766
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: the best rappers in the world don't came from the

767
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: city of Compton. Compton not if I compared like Brooklyn.

768
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: When I explained the people always tell people like Compton

769
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: is kind of like the I wouldn't say Harlem is

770
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: kind of like the Bronx. Yeah, the West. Yeah, you

771
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: can see what I'm saying, the Bronx, you know, And

772
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: well I would say Wat's is the Bronx. Compton might

773
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: be more Brooklyn. Now, yeah, you feel what I'm saying.

774
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of wordsmiths to come out of Compton.

775
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: It's a lot of inspiration in the neighborhood. Well, you

776
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: had to hustle out there in Comptent, man, A lot

777
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: of hustlers out there, cats had to hit the streets.

778
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: So they took that same mentality to the rap game.

779
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. You know, I want to ask you a question, man,

780
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: and it's really the older. I get this really because

781
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: I see a lot of stuff in the culture, Like

782
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: I said, like from these big, these used platforms, inviting

783
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: the wrong people up to the speak. There are so

784
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: many knowledgeable people of people such as itself, people such

785
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: as this man right here, as me, a lot of

786
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: other brothers out there doing their thing, and it seemed

787
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: like we're last to get called for stuff. Do you

788
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: think that's because we're threatening to a certain degree, because

789
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the goofy stuff, man, that's somewhat profitable,

790
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: It was profitable. Now we're flooded with the goofy stuff now,

791
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: so people are kind of getting tired of it. So

792
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: now people want to see conversations like this now because

793
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: it's it's out of the norm. You want to get

794
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: a different take on something. You can only get so

795
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: much heatonism and ratchetness until you say, hey, let me

796
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: try something else. A motherfucker with their clothes on is

797
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: more interested than all of these naked motherfucker's working if

798
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: you see too much of it. So there has to

799
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: be balance to everything, exactly, like you know, Big Ups,

800
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: the sexy red Yeah, her music is entertained. I think

801
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: you know some of us catchy. But like you said,

802
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: there's no longer a balance, right because what's the one

803
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: sister's name she be busting to? What's her name begins

804
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: with R? Yeah? Yeah, I would like to see them

805
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: give rhapsody to kind of the same platform that Sexy

806
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: Red got because both of Mike. I'm not gonna say

807
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: sexy Rid is exactly necessary, but I get it. Well,

808
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: you gotta have a balance. We got a whole bunch

809
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: of sexy reds out of here exactly, Sexy Red, Glrilla,

810
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: Megan City Girls, all of them doing the same thing.

811
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: See back in the nineties, man, we had ratchetness too.

812
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: We had Little Kim Foxy Brown, but we had a balance.

813
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: We had Lauren Hill, we had Queen Latifa, we had

814
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: Yo Yo, we had MC lights. So there was a

815
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: balance to it, so that didn't overtake everything. Back in

816
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: the eighty eight, that was the peak of hip hop.

817
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: That was the golden era of hip hop. Nineteen eighty eight. Yeah,

818
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: that that year it was so diverse. Many of those

819
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: people can still go on tour now. They were that impactful.

820
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: It was so diverse. In eighty eight, you had Kidn't Play,

821
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: Heavy D, Public Enemy, EPMD, SAWD and Pepper, Rokim. It

822
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: was NWA all of these guys. So it was a

823
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: taste for everybody. Nobody was acting the same. In fact,

824
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: if you emulated another rapper, that would you look down upon. Yeah,

825
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you biting dude, You sound like such and such. Even

826
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: EPMD they were criticized for sounding like rock YIM. They

827
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: were like, hey, y'all better change that style up a

828
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: little bit. So there was a code in hip hop.

829
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Hip hop was still on this code where you're supposed

830
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: to be innovative and based on the originality Red Ryan,

831
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: you gotta be original. The corporate structure when they got

832
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: a part of it, you know, they want cookie cutter.

833
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: They want everybody sounding the same so they can send

834
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: it to radio. With me working inside the building. I'll

835
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: tell you what happened, man, once everything goes corporate. Instead

836
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: of them hiring people that are actually qualified for the job,

837
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: they're looking for guys that come from where they come from.

838
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: They don't want to sit in there and look at

839
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: one of us every day. They don't relate to us,

840
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: so they want to hire the kids out of which

841
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't have no problem with. But he got to

842
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: be from the culture. They want to hire a kid

843
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: from Cornell All or Brown they make all of these

844
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: You know because I've been in these offices before and

845
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: seen guys responsible for some of the most important hip

846
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: hop artists of this generation. I'm like, this dude, don't

847
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: know what the fuck he doing? How's he A and

848
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: R for? This dude? He don't know, he don't like.

849
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: How am I gonna give him direction when I don't

850
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: know where he come from? It's a difference. If I'm

851
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: talking to eight, it's certain stuff. I know he's not

852
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: going to do off rip, So I'm not gonna present

853
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: him with a bunch of tracks that maybe you know

854
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: for real, got some bangers by the way, but I'm

855
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: not go I'm not gonna bring eight change clothes. You

856
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. That's not no, that's not him.

857
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring him some right and and Back in

858
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: the eighties, man, when cats made records, I mean you

859
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: had to. If you making a record, man, you're putting

860
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: all your money together. This is your one shot. You

861
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: better come correct with that shit. You better be real creative.

862
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: Cats ain't got money to blow in the studio. You

863
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: better make something that you know, the hood is gonna

864
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: like something that you can take up there to Greg

865
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: Mac and kJ and those guys. So you had to

866
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: be very serious about what you were doing. And a

867
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: lot of those guys knew how to A and R themselves.

868
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: They felt what was what the streets was kind of

869
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: leaning towards and patterned it on that. And back then

870
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: you had the producer. They normally came from a DJ.

871
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: Back around again, the sound man. I'm pretty sure Slip

872
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: probably was an R and y'all earlier records, y'all were

873
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: some young guys, so I'm pretty much I'm pretty sure

874
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: he was probably telling you ight say it like this

875
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: or do this this. Am I correct? I kind of.

876
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 4: I kind of never uh had to go with that,

877
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 4: uh as far as came to recording, because I took

878
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: pride in writing and saying shit. I was the type

879
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 4: of motherfucker back then that I wrap some ship and

880
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: get halfway through the verse and say stop it and

881
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 4: go back.

882
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: Oh, so you was producing your let me do.

883
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 4: That over, and you know, I do it again, and

884
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 4: we'll listen to it and I'd be like, oh, I

885
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: fucked up on that part. Let's do that over or

886
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 4: I'll be like or you listen to me right there,

887
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 4: or and then you know slip would give me that.

888
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: But I think I just took pride in wanting to

889
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: be a good MC.

890
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 3: Back then, you know, it was hard.

891
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 4: To maintain or get any game you get me. It

892
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 4: wasn't simplified like it is now. Shit, I can sit

893
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: in my you know, my room, turned on my laptop,

894
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 4: get me a microphone and being now like you said,

895
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: back then, and it was costing two three hundred dollars

896
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 4: an hour to go up in one of them studios

897
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 4: within two inch reels, and it's ugly.

898
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: Now with this AI shit is about to get real

899
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: ugly for a lot of people because if you look

900
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: at what they just did to Spotify today, right, they're

901
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: about to open up all this other stuff and they're

902
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: taking more money from the artists now, right with this

903
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: AI stuff is scary, man, because the AI stuff, it's

904
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: a great tool, right, but it's gonna start replacing a

905
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: lot of people, it is. It's gonna start replacing a

906
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: lot of people. Pretty soon. They're going to have an

907
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: AI version of and I'm gonna tell you it's coming.

908
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: They're going to have an AI version of a rapper.

909
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: They already got one. It was a guy. A couple

910
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: of years ago they announced they had an AI rapper,

911
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: some some white dudes. Yeah I remember that. Yeah, And

912
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: people were like, hey, what the hell is that? Then

913
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: they got quiet about it exactly because I'm gonna tell

914
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: you what's about to happen. They're not gonna tell us,

915
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: We not gonna know. It's gonna be a dude that's

916
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: gonna be the perfect the perfect MC almost and he's

917
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: gonna be all AI base watch see what I tell you,

918
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: because because I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you, man, people, it's.

919
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 4: Just like a motherfucker like they doing with the companies.

920
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 4: We don't need you to stand here and screw a

921
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 4: handle on the car no more or whatever you give me.

922
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 4: We got the motherfucking machines that do all that ship now,

923
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 4: So why would I want to deal with a motherfucking

924
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: nigga who is a knucklehead and helen from my whatever whatever.

925
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 3: I can just go create a nigga like that.

926
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: And punching my computer what type of attitude and what

927
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: this and what he won't and then and then take

928
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: it on tour with a hologram exactly and make all

929
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: the money Matt merchandise and everything about and the kids

930
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: go go crazy about it. I'm telling you with scary

931
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: man Now, I forget which rock and roll dude, and

932
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: I fuck with him for saying that man the guy

933
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: from Kiss, Gene Simmons, Gene Simmons. They offered Gene Simmons

934
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: like a ridiculous amount of money for his like virtual rights.

935
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: I think they offered that man something like fifteen to

936
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars and he said no because I can't

937
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: picture them. They not gonna care about the quality of

938
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: the stuff that I do. They go have just and

939
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: everybody just can't come and write a Kiss record, right,

940
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: So I want all these people to go on our

941
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: farewell tour to remember me from being this. If they

942
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: want to see us, they can go buy the video,

943
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: right right right. I don't want a ghost version of

944
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: me floating around here one hundred years from now. Yeah. Yeah.

945
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: When they did something on one of those Grammy shows

946
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: where they had a hologramd Michael Jackson, a lot of

947
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: that turned a lot of people up. I didn't like it,

948
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, because there's only one Michael. It don't that

949
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: thing don't have the spirit of Michael. They need to

950
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: leave that alone. And when Drake did that dis record

951
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: and used Tupac's vocals, a lot of people got turned

952
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: off from that too. Or his family was pissed off

953
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, everybody was a lot of folks are

954
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: pissed off on that. And I'm gonna tell you, dog, Tupac,

955
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: I think people aren't even where Tupac got a lot

956
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: of family members to still here because I managed Glass

957
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: to bloge. I remember when he put out South. That's

958
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: when he put out the Tupac Much Die record. Whenever

959
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: Glasses released a record, my lip my dining room is

960
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: like the war table, right. We had come in there

961
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: playing and stuff. Man, I remember the phone calls we

962
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: was getting me and him was driving down the one

963
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: oh five freeway. Dude, and Tupac's cousin called him, was like, man,

964
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: what the fuck? You know what I mean? But he

965
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: hadn't listened to the record. He just saw And that's

966
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: why I told him. I never liked the name of

967
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: that record because to me, it took away from the story.

968
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: But he was trying to be provocative. Yeah, he was

969
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: trying to be provocative, but to the average person, all

970
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: they see is Tupac much that what the fuck is

971
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: he saying? He was talking about, you know, from the

972
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: mind of Orlando Anderson, right, and it just kicked off

973
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that I don't even know what's

974
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: worth doing, or kicked off a lot of stuff, man,

975
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: And I think the one thing that they would never

976
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: be able to emulate with these AI whatever you go,

977
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: always have to have somebody writing. Yeah, yeah, you always

978
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: have to have somebody writing, because I don't care what

979
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: you say. Ain't no AI go spit no gangster shit

980
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: better than Scarface or mcas or now or whoever they not.

981
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be able to do it. But everything

982
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: is turning real vanilla and saccaring right now. I'm really

983
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: worried about the culture right now, even to the point, man,

984
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: where do you think this comes from? To me, I

985
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: call the baby man syndrome to where you got a

986
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: whole bunch of cats now online from their forties to

987
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: their fifties just acting like little kids. Pro And when

988
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: I say acting like little kids, that's almost insulting our

989
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: young generation. The kids are more mature. My kids never

990
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: acted like them these games today, Man, what what can

991
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: you attribute that to?

992
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: That man?

993
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: Look in the system of white supremacy, and doctor Welson

994
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: talked about this, the white male is supposed to be

995
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: on top. And if you don't challenge the white male,

996
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: they put you in either one or two positions. You're

997
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a grown boy or you're gonna

998
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: have to be a male woman. You understand. So dudes

999
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: either take one or two routes. They're gonna be over

1000
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: feminized or they're gonna be ultra babyfied. That's what the

1001
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: movie Baby Boy was about. And in the movie Baby Boy,

1002
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: they had a doctor Wilson quote at the beginning of

1003
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: the movie. The Jody character living with his mama. He's

1004
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: a big, overgrown child because of arrested development. And that's

1005
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: a problem. That's why we always have to be in

1006
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: a position to say, hey, man, we got a problem

1007
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: with systematic racism. Let's not be ashamed of it. That's

1008
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: an issue. Let's deal with it, and let's acknowledge it exactly.

1009
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: And I think right now, if you look at it,

1010
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: all that stuff seems to move the needle. Now, yeah,

1011
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: anything negative, if you go say something really positive and profound,

1012
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna get buried. Nobody's gonna nobody wants to hear.

1013
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: But if you're seeing something crazy in the landish, oh man,

1014
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna break all kinds of records. Man. Look, when

1015
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: I did my books The Art of Macin, I was

1016
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: on MTV VH one. They were trying to give me

1017
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: a show on NBC. They were trying to give me

1018
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: a late night show. That's why I was on. If

1019
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: you go Google, there's images of me. I was on

1020
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien The Tonight Show. I did all that stuff

1021
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: because I was just doing relationship books from a kind

1022
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: of satirical standpoint, so that was non threatening. When I

1023
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: started doing the Hidden Colors films, that's when I started

1024
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: getting negative pressed. When I said, hey, let me teach

1025
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: about black history, all of a sudden, I'm a race bata.

1026
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: I get all of these negative headlines. I'm getting visited

1027
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: by the FBI and all that stuff. Oh many times.

1028
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: They I can't even go to England. I'm banned from

1029
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: the UK because of my films. Are you serious? I'm bad.

1030
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: I cannot go to the UK. I was gonna go

1031
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: over there to have a film screening, and the airport

1032
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: they had to take me off the whell. They wouldn't

1033
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: let me on the plane, and they had phone calls

1034
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: going all over the place saying that I'm not allowed

1035
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: to go to the UK from not because you've got

1036
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: a criminal record, not because of the book that you wrote,

1037
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: because of the movies he Tellor's movies, because of those movies.

1038
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: They said that my presence is not conducive to the

1039
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: good of the society there. Basically, I might wake too

1040
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: many black folks up. You start waking up black folks,

1041
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: that's a problem. That's why let's go back to the

1042
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: rap thing NWA. When they were fucked the police, they

1043
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: were getting the FBI letters. I talked to Greg mac

1044
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: one time. He told me the FBI was up there

1045
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: Kday asking about easy in those guys. When you're talking

1046
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: revolutionary and you're independent, that's a threat, you understand. That's

1047
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: why the music industry they have to get control of

1048
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: independent artists and say, hey, no, no, we can't have

1049
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: you out here moving those records saying what you want

1050
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: to say. Get us under you. Let us get you

1051
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: under our wing so we can control what you say

1052
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: and do. Wow, man, it's heavy with all the changes

1053
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: that we've had in America, things have gotten a lot better. No,

1054
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: we've had some progress in this country. We've had to

1055
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: fight for it. We made it happen. Do you ever

1056
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: see us getting reparations? Absolutely, because the thing is, man,

1057
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: it's they already have to spend the money that's used

1058
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: on reparations for defense. Man, when they militarized the police,

1059
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: that's the reparation's money right there. All they have to

1060
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: do is do the right thing. Look, man, they started

1061
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: militarizing the police after the Watch riots. After the Watch riots,

1062
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: they saw black folks was actually whooping ass in the

1063
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. That's not talked about black folks. They'll show

1064
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: you some black folks getting beat on, but low key

1065
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: black people were bringing it to the Cleveland, Cleveland, Cleveland, Detroit, Yeah, Chicago. Man.

1066
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: In Illinois, there's a town called Cairo, Illinois. Man, they

1067
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: ran all the white people out that town in the

1068
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty engineered probably here like what then let me

1069
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: look listen, listen, man, I don't know. They probably picked

1070
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 1: the wrong guy. We're talking about Tupaca. Man, listen, listen

1071
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: to me. Man. You had groups like the Black Liberation

1072
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: Army putting in work that's where Tupac comes from. That's

1073
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: his stepdad, Matulush you cor he was from the Black

1074
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: Liberation Army. They the one broke aside of Shekur out

1075
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: of jail. That was Tupac's god mother. Tupac shot the cops, remember,

1076
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: yeah he shot Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's when that saw

1077
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: his election kind of cause I'm gonna tell you interesting story,

1078
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: not to cut you off. So Bob Kat was one

1079
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,959
Speaker 1: of the first producers in LA that really messed with Park,

1080
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, like really you know, he did strictly for

1081
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 1: My Niggas album. That's when Park was kind of going

1082
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: on his own, not leaving shots. She was kind of,

1083
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, getting his own identity, right.

1084
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:49,959
Speaker 3: Pac.

1085
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: That's the Tupac. I loved the revolutionary, the revolutionary that

1086
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: told black women how beautiful it was that but she

1087
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: had to turn around and shoot a cop. And I

1088
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: asked because he thinks he out there fucking with a brother,

1089
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: but he was a sponge. Yeah, ultimately, you feel what

1090
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I just really think, man, we missing

1091
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: that in the community right now. Yeah, because our we

1092
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: we don't have no leadership no more. Man. I always

1093
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: look at myself because if you look at Black America now,

1094
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: it's set up to where the young people hate him.

1095
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: Oh six year old ass, Now you don't need a

1096
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: rap no more. Get out the way. That's the whole

1097
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: thing is. So it's this dynamic get out the way

1098
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: so I could make my way through instead of them

1099
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: coming to sit with this brother and say, hey, I

1100
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: wanna be able to sustain a thirty year career like

1101
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, what can I do? Yeah? You got

1102
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, sixty year old dudes trying to get record deals,

1103
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: and you got fifty year old women trying to be

1104
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: video vixens. Now they're trying to compete with the young girls. Now,

1105
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: So right, we don't have that balance of leadership of

1106
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: just a adult supervision. Cause it wasn't like that. I

1107
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: went to the older dudes. I revered the older dudes

1108
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: in my hood that were that may have went on

1109
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: before me and played college football. That's how I got

1110
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: up out of Cleveland because an older dude that played

1111
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: he went to a junior college. I don't know what

1112
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: they like. Junior. I thought it was old with for me.

1113
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: After my high school career, all them d's I had

1114
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: on my report card. Man, I never thought I would

1115
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: go to college. But because of him, he made some

1116
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: phone calls for me and next thing, you you know,

1117
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: send some film off. Back in the day, had to

1118
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: put shit in the mail. You see what I'm saying,

1119
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: Them bigger ass around tapes. You know, you had to

1120
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: put them in the mail. And next thing you know,

1121
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: I got a call from five to six junior colleges

1122
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: around the country. They were like, hey, we interested in

1123
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: bringing you out. But there was a leadership. It was

1124
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: like everybody looked out for each other. Now, everybody is

1125
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: too busy to be in competition, right Even back in

1126
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: the day, man the eighties, even the street cats would

1127
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: look out for people who had potential. If you saw

1128
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: somebody trying to venture off in some street business, the

1129
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: hustlers would take get your ass off this. Well, definitely

1130
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. Man, don't come out

1131
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: here banging with us.

1132
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 4: We definitely didn't want to deter brothers away who had potential.

1133
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: To somebody say more, there was a reason why he

1134
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: stopped going to the neighborhood, Ain't that rect I mean,

1135
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: sometimes you just get to a point where people see

1136
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: that you can do.

1137
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 3: More than what you think. You feel me.

1138
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 4: Uh, And that's just people seeing the potential. Like I said,

1139
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 4: a lot of people look at you and and try

1140
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 4: to determine because where you come from where or your

1141
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 4: situations of where you live. But you know.

1142
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: That's that's those old cats, that's the motto that we

1143
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: came from, uh, to watch out for our youth and

1144
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: are inspiring. Do you think Lonzo kind of did that

1145
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: for you guys to a certain degree.

1146
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 4: But Lonzo really didn't where as far as you know,

1147
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 4: as recognizing talent. And yeah, he felt like, I can't

1148
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 4: fuck with y'all, But then here's a dude who could

1149
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 4: fuck with y'all. Because at the time, it was coming

1150
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 4: out of his era of music, you know what they

1151
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 4: were doing.

1152
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 3: At first.

1153
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 4: You know, he probably hated that shit, you know, like

1154
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 4: it portrays not hated it. But we have been successful.

1155
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 4: What's what's right here? And like you know a lot

1156
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 4: of people like to use the term if it ain't broke,

1157
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 4: you know, don't fix it. So that's the way he

1158
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 4: probably was looking at his success in his career. We've

1159
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 4: been we've been quite successful on what we've been doing.

1160
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 4: So but at the time the music was changing, you're

1161
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 4: getting the Brothers from New York was coming out and

1162
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 4: we was hearing that. And then you know, once Once

1163
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 4: Easy came out, and like you said, we had dudes

1164
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 4: like Spade and Toddy t who were already giving us

1165
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 4: tales from the neighborhood. You know, a lot of the

1166
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 4: ship was underground. So that's just how ship was. You

1167
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Someone be going back to let's

1168
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 4: say Unknown, What happened with Unknown man? I heard something

1169
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 4: happened with him up a death row. Somebody put hands

1170
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,959
Speaker 4: on it, right, what happened? I've heard different versions over

1171
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 4: the years.

1172
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: This is the story that I know we were working on.

1173
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 4: We had just came off for a straight checking the

1174
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 4: record and Dre had just left Easy got with sug whatever.

1175
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: So we basically sat.

1176
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 4: Down one night, me Unknown, Uh Slip and my nigga

1177
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 4: Chill and the Unknown told us that Dre was Finnah

1178
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 4: start a new label and they were looking for a

1179
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 4: name for the label. Long story short, we came They

1180
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 4: came up with the death Row name. We basically came

1181
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 4: up with the name, me Unknown, Chill and Slip. Yes,

1182
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 4: they called it d E F first and and I

1183
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 4: think if I'm not mistaken. Unknown took it to Sug

1184
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 4: and sold it to Shug the name whatever. But that's

1185
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 4: how he got in with Sug in them because Sug

1186
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 4: knew that he so called was producing our records comptas

1187
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 4: Most Wanted, and I think we were on our third album,

1188
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 4: so they enlisted Unknown to do production work for The Convicts.

1189
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 4: Was supposed to be the first group. They came three.

1190
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: That's three two and Big Mike used Texans.

1191
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 4: Group called the Convicts. That's right, that's right, that's right.

1192
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 4: They were supposed to be the first group on death

1193
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 4: Row because I don't even think they had snoop yet.

1194
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: Wow, what that record was Big Mike's record, the one

1195
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: to break them off? Some break them off, some of

1196
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: the deep cover record.

1197
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 4: So because Unknown got in with him, he took some

1198
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 4: money from them to do beats. Sugar was expecting the

1199
01:06:52,480 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 4: beats Unknown was using. From what I hear, every time

1200
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 4: they asked for the music, he was like, well, I'm

1201
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 4: busy right now working on Compass Most Wanted record.

1202
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: That didn't fly too.

1203
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 4: Good with Shuit, especially when I done gave you money

1204
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 4: to turn in beats. So I heard he was up there.

1205
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 4: One day they questioned him about the beats. He didn't

1206
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 4: have them, so they took off on him. Yeah, because

1207
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 4: he came to the studio with us about three days

1208
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 4: later and we couldn't figure out why he had sunglasses

1209
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 4: on in the dark ass studio, like why you got

1210
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 4: sunglasses on? And that's around the time when I stopped

1211
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 4: fucking with him because I had found out that he

1212
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 4: basically stole publishing money. I wrote all my songs. I

1213
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 4: never I never had a ghostwriter. I never had so

1214
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 4: half of that publishing was mine. I wrote every fucking

1215
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 4: CMW you song, every m C eight song, never had

1216
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 4: a ghostwriter, never had any help.

1217
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: So you co produced them in the record, say hey

1218
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: this sound I started. I started well. I would always

1219
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: bring music to him. I would go like, hey, let's

1220
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: use this record, Let's use this record, sample this record,

1221
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: sample this record. I started doing that around the second

1222
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: straight checking them record. I was interested in producing, so

1223
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, once I found out he.

1224
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 4: Stole publishing money, and that was kind of the end

1225
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 4: of it from there. You know, I'm a young kid

1226
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 4: from content. You know, I ain't know no better. Like

1227
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 4: if you could have asked me back then, I would

1228
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 4: have been like, what the fuck is publishing.

1229
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,520
Speaker 1: I want to go back, like, what the fuck is publishing?

1230
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 1: I want to go back to this because we touched

1231
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: on it, but we did. I'm going to talk about

1232
01:08:59,080 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: this reparations.

1233
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1234
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you look at the impact that slavery had

1235
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: on this as the people, it's still lasting up to

1236
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: this day. You know, I was talking to my dad.

1237
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: My dad is seventy nine years old. He was just

1238
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: out here with me, shout out to Butch. But we

1239
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: were talking, and you know, he had a father who

1240
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: had a whole nother family in Tennessee. That was just

1241
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: the dynamic back then. It was just like he was

1242
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: just rolling around the South sowing his seed. And my

1243
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: dad was telling me, you know, is this as your

1244
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: parents get older, it's important to ask, you know, uncles, aunties, Hey,

1245
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: where is it that we from? Yeah, so I got

1246
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: a whole. My family is from Memphis, I got a whole.

1247
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: My grandmother was from there, and my grandfather was from there.

1248
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: But apparently my grandfather had a whole another family down

1249
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: there and had another family in Arkansas too, So he

1250
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: would disappear sometimes from my grandmother and them, who had

1251
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: ten kids with him. He would disappear for sometimes for

1252
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: a whole year and go off here, you know, playhouse

1253
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: or whatever like that. And I had and all the

1254
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: ways we got old ryankle. Disrespecting them is just the.

1255
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 3: Truth, right.

1256
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: I think all of that stuff, man, that's like a

1257
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: stud almost he gets around there so on to see.

1258
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: I think all of that stuff got embedded into our

1259
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: DNA somehow.

1260
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 3: Man.

1261
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: We suffered a lot because of that shit. Man, We

1262
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,480
Speaker 1: suffered a whole lot, man. And I feel like everybody

1263
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: else kind of gets taken care of. Like you know,

1264
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: if you and I don't want to say that, you

1265
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: can't say shit nowadays without getting in trouble. But if

1266
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: you come from another country, you can come over here

1267
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: and get all kind of helped open up a business

1268
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But no one is said. And

1269
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: the biggest is the thing I hate hearing, Well, that

1270
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 1: was so long ago. Why are you still so worried

1271
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 1: about it? It's like you bullshit. It wasn't your generations,

1272
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: Your people wiped out. We don't even know where the

1273
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 1: fuck we come from. What the fuck is black? Yeah,

1274
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: but they said they give red natives, they give them reparations,

1275
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: they give them big money, casinos, tax free status, and

1276
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,799
Speaker 1: that happened long ago. They tried to play the longergo

1277
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: game with us. It wasn't that long ago. Man. Grandmother

1278
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: was alive when Harriet Tubman was alive, So we had

1279
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: people who were former slaves still alive in the nineteen sixties. Man, See,

1280
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: you come from the same kind of background I come from,

1281
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: because my grandmother had told me that her mom was

1282
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: just fresh out of slavery. And then in the Annabelle himself,

1283
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: a lot of that shit was still going on up

1284
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: intil the motherfucker forties. I mean they still got plantations

1285
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: down slaves was still going It was a lot of

1286
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: people who just were afraid to leave masters proverbial house

1287
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: that were still down there working for free. And then

1288
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: after slavery, they had the sharecropping thing, which was another

1289
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: former slavery because they were working for peanuts. So that

1290
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 1: legacy is still there. We've never been compensated for that,

1291
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: and we got to stand on it and demand the compensation.

1292
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: People thought we weren't gonna get out of slavery. When

1293
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: we said, hey, we need to get rid of the

1294
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: slavery thing, people said that's impossible. We did it. We

1295
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: actually fought they got to get out of slavery. That

1296
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 1: was something on aass roots level. Black people were fighting.

1297
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: You had maroons living in the swamp that were attacking plantations.

1298
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: Before the Civil War, you had the Seminal War, which

1299
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: was a black war down in Florida, where they essentially

1300
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: wiped out most of the plantations down there. They don't

1301
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: tell you about this. The US Army was down there

1302
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: trying to suppress the black people. They ended up sending

1303
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: a lot of black people to Oklahoma. We were fighting

1304
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: our way out of slavery in the nineteen sixties when

1305
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: people were saying, y'all ain't gonna get no civil rights,

1306
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: we fought and got civil rights. Whatever we focus on

1307
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: we can get, so we'll get reparation. We just got

1308
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,560
Speaker 1: to stay focused. So just think about the absence of

1309
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: a black father and the home. It's almost like we're

1310
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: programmed because they come and tell a woman, hey, for

1311
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: every child you have, you're gonna get three four hundred dollars.

1312
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: So you have women go out and have a church

1313
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: full of kids. They're gonna move in the apartment. It's

1314
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: really not that bad, right, She's gonna pay fifty dollars

1315
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: a month. But guess what one of the main things

1316
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: is you can't have a game have a man here

1317
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: with you if you get a man and you lose

1318
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: all this. So now you got women of the mindset. Well,

1319
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't even need a dude because and and the

1320
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: media was a big part of that too. In the sixties,

1321
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: when they were getting black men out of the house

1322
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: with these little Section eight welfare programs, they started putting

1323
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: on television shows with single black women, making that seem

1324
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: like it was cool. They had Diane Carroll do a

1325
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: show called Julia, She's a very beautiful black woman who

1326
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: was a single mother. That was new. They had a

1327
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: movie called Claudine. Same thing, Early Sex, Good Times, was

1328
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be Florida Evans being a single mother, right

1329
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: she said no, no, no, I don't want to be

1330
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: a single mother. She went to the producers and said, no,

1331
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: give me a husband and James. They didn't want that

1332
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: image that James Evans. That image still resonates with us man.

1333
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: That's that was America's black dad. But they had to

1334
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: kill that image off and kill him off, and that

1335
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: messed with the psyche of a lot of us. Man,

1336
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: So that propaganda is real. Before we go, man, I

1337
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: just want to say something about being a father, right.

1338
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1339
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 1: I loved my biological dad and I loved my dad

1340
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: to death, and I was angry at him for a

1341
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: long time until I started getting the understanding and talked

1342
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: to him about how he came up. Yeah, he had

1343
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: no blueprint, right, he had no blueprint.

1344
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: He was a dude.

1345
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: There was something from his own wounds, you know, his

1346
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters getting separated and shuffled across homes, you know,

1347
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: different homes. That's what they would do if you, if

1348
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: the mama didn't have enough money to take care of

1349
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: the kids, they would just put you on Falster Care.

1350
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Yeah, they.

1351
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: Would just put you on Falster Care. So I had

1352
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: to forgive him because we got a lot of healing

1353
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 1: to do as black men in this country. Man. We

1354
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: all think we all suffered from some form of PTSD. Yeah,

1355
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: and nobody suffered from what we've suffered from, man, and

1356
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: we're told to get over it. Other groups, Man, they

1357
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: couldn't suffer the half of what we suffered, the stuff

1358
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: that we've survived.

1359
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 3: Man.

1360
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: Growing up in these neighborhoods, growing up in the Comptons

1361
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: and places like that, these were like war zones and

1362
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: that was by design, man, And for cats to come

1363
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: out of all that slavery, yeah yeah, man, that was

1364
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 1: a societal plantation that they've created. They created those things,

1365
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: They created the economic deprivation and then say okay, here

1366
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: you go, and by the way, here's some crack, so

1367
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 1: y'all fight over that. And here's a train full of

1368
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: guns that we're gonna leave over here mysteriously, which is

1369
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: what they used to do all the time. Oh yeah,

1370
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: these illegal guns would just pop up in these neighborhoods.

1371
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of the stuff was orchestrated. And

1372
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: for anybody to come out of that with your right mind,

1373
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: that's a miracle right there. Well we have to start, man.

1374
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 1: That change starts with us man as directors. And because

1375
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: me and eight we working on some stuff right now, man,

1376
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: and I fell to him when he said, Man, if

1377
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: we go do something, I don't want to play the

1378
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: stereotypical dude. You know, I'm a grown man. I don't

1379
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: want to run around the pistols. So we could have

1380
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: them where he's a football coach. Yeah, yeah, doing good.

1381
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: Because they never show those images on TV. The brothers

1382
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: that do come out of jail and they because you

1383
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: know we both coached you football right and half my

1384
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: staff over period mo Man was former feelings, theys out

1385
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: there with their kids. Man shout out to what snoop

1386
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: to do with this?

1387
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 4: Wif actually change the dynamic of what what was done?

1388
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 4: You know, like you said, with your father, a lot

1389
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 4: of us grew up single moms. You get me, and

1390
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 4: like you said, the dynamic of what the situations was

1391
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 4: we never knew because we don't know the past of

1392
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 4: what our fathers and grandfathers went through. Uh to be

1393
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 4: able to have that direction to be better, but you

1394
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 4: can break that code.

1395
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 3: You get me. Look at your sons, look at my son.

1396
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 3: You get me.

1397
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 4: It probably be looked at as if our kids would

1398
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 4: probably follow with negative footsteps because of what we've done.

1399
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 4: What people look at what I've done. You get me

1400
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 4: where I come from gang banging and selling drugs and

1401
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,520
Speaker 4: even with the image of who I.

1402
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,839
Speaker 1: Was, and now he got a son that's playing college football.

1403
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: How dope is that? Man? So amazing? That's amazing.

1404
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,440
Speaker 4: Just like you said, we have to change the dynamic

1405
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 4: and of what they tried to put us through. As

1406
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 4: far as taking taking the dads out of the homes

1407
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 4: and making women feel like, like you said, still, I don't.

1408
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 3: Even need a motherfucker today. You get me.

1409
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 4: It's hard to raise a kid, and especially as a

1410
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 4: young man, as a single mom, when he influences today

1411
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 4: that we have. Man, it's just it's just crazy, you know. So,

1412
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 4: and we got to understand, man, how we got here. Man,

1413
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 4: let's talk about LA in particular.

1414
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: Man. Look, in the nineteen sixties Central abaw Man, you

1415
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: had the Black Panthers, black men who said, Hey, we're

1416
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: gonna feed these children out here. We're gonna have a

1417
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: free breakfast program, we're gonna have an education program, We're

1418
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna feed these kids. The Panthers with the guns. That

1419
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: wasn't the threat because all they did was changed the

1420
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: gun laws. They changed the California gun laws because of

1421
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: the Panthers. What these gun laws out here? So right

1422
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: right when they did it, because of the Panthers, and

1423
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: the NRA was in on it too. They were like, hey, listen,

1424
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: don't let them niggas have no guns. So that was

1425
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: neutralized the problem with the Panthers. When you start feeding people,

1426
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 1: that's nation building. They said, we got to get these

1427
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: niggas out of here. They started shooting up the headquarters

1428
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: of the Panthers. Right after that. That's when the gang

1429
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: started sprouting up. Because the splintered leadership, it was directionless.

1430
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: These young kids didn't have the Panther programs to go to,

1431
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: so they started to morph into gangs. Let me ask

1432
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: you this. It's a reparations march coming up, correct, Yeah,

1433
01:18:54,680 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: June fifteenth in Washington, DC, June fifteenth. Everybody's in support

1434
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: of reparations. We need to be out there, absolutely, indeed,

1435
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: we need because I really feel like you know, and

1436
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 1: that's why I get pissed off when people say, well,

1437
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: why did impact you?

1438
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 3: Man?

1439
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 1: Did you know how hard difficult? I'm not supposed to

1440
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: be here. Real talk, real talk. And man, we got

1441
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: so many out here in l A. We got so

1442
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: many homeless black people out here. Man, it's pathetic. We

1443
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 1: need to be compensated, man, because that stuff has been

1444
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: orchestra And who is the people? The people tethers. Yeah,

1445
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 1: we call people people who are foreigner as we try

1446
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: to undermine our movement, we call them tethers. Just because

1447
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: you're a foreigner doesn't make you a tether. But we've

1448
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: called the tethers out because We have a lot of

1449
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: people who jump up and say, hey, we don't need reparations,

1450
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: and then we'll look in the background and this person's

1451
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: from the Congo somewhere, like you're not even qualified to

1452
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: get it's the deal right now. You know what I noticed?

1453
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: I told somebody because somebody I don't like the thing

1454
01:19:58,240 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: African American. A lot of them don't even like it.

1455
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 3: Yo.

1456
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't like using that term. And there's no disrespect.

1457
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: That term was put on us in nineteen eighty eight.

1458
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: But Jesse Jackson, the Democratics, the Democrats wanted us to

1459
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: be comparable to immigrant groups. We just used to go

1460
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: buy black or color or whatever. But when they got

1461
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson to start labeling us African American, that made

1462
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: us comparable to Mexican American, Italian American, Asian American. So

1463
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: that almost made us like immigrants. So whatever we got,

1464
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: all of the other immigrant groups were supposed to get

1465
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: a part of the two. But we have a unique

1466
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: history here because we as foundational Black Americans, we built

1467
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: the country. We're the only non immigrants here. We have

1468
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: a very unique relationship to this land and that has

1469
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: to be recognized. Because I'm gonna tell you. I know

1470
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: I have a lot of family in England. So our

1471
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 1: family reunions were real interest and I got to find out.

1472
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: I know, I'm from the Igbo, from the Igbo tribe

1473
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 1: in Nigeria and all. Like I said, I had family

1474
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: in England that didn't even go through that pro They

1475
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: went straight to England. You feel what I'm saying. So

1476
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: it's a lot, man, We pretty much children were no country. No,

1477
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: this is no this is our land. We got to

1478
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: understand that we're not foreigners here. You know, there were

1479
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: black people on this land, thousands of you. But that's

1480
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, and this is our land.

1481
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: Let's be very clear. California was named after a black woman,

1482
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: Queen Califia, all right. That's a mythological Moorish queen that

1483
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 1: the Spanish used to write books about. There were black

1484
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: Aboriginal people in California, the Mahave people, the Alone tribe.

1485
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,799
Speaker 1: You look at pictures of them, they look like African tribes.

1486
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: That's why you don't see too much archaeological work done

1487
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: in North America. I always wondered that, man, because I

1488
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: always said, everybody can't be slaves man, right, because you

1489
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Speaker 1: know what, everybody didn't come over on slave ship. But

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Speaker 1: that's what I think about that. We think about this though, too,

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Speaker 1: think about all the slave ships that God took over. Right,

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Speaker 1: many of the pirate ships were former slave ships. That's

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Speaker 1: where the pirates were still in slave ships. And a

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Speaker 1: lot of the pirates were actually black. But the story

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Speaker 1: of millions of people being shipped over on ships that

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Speaker 1: wouldn't make any sense because it takes about three four

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Speaker 1: months for a ship to sail back there. And you

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Speaker 1: talk about right now from then them rickety as ships

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Speaker 1: the head back right at the numbers don't add Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't add up. There were people who are black

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Speaker 1: already here, they just enslaved them here. We got to

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Speaker 1: really look at it from that perspective. There are books

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Speaker 1: by people like von woot Now I've in Van Curtima

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01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: who talk about the black people who were here thousands

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Speaker 1: of years before Columbus. Again, like I said, they'll do

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Speaker 1: archaeological work in Africa, Asia, you don't see too much

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01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: archaeological work here because, as our brother James Small says,

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Speaker 1: every time they put a shovel in the ground of

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Speaker 1: North America, you're gonna dig up something black. Our DNA

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01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: is real deeply rooted in North America.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: All they want to find here is some dinosaurs, right

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01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 4: they're starting out, because what happens is, man, they start

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01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 4: doing archaeological work and they start finding these native of

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Speaker 4: Americans with all of this African and black DNA.

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Speaker 1: Then they get real quiet about it. They act like, oh, ok,

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Speaker 1: let's not really talk about that because we've been here

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Speaker 1: for a long time. I'll tell you something that really

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01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 1: had me laughing, man, And then we all had to

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01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: because I know we're going over there. I appreciate you

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01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: being patient. It was funny. I was in the grocery

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01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: store with my wife the other day and I'm looking

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01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: the things where they reconstructed this picture of Jesus and said, oh,

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01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: we know how Jesus looked, and he looked like he

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01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: was from England some damn We're had long blond hair, man,

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01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: and it was just this white dude. Man. So we definitely, man,

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01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 1: gotta fix a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I ain't even go get into that whole.

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01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 3: Thing, you know.

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Speaker 1: But because you definitely offend some people, Yeah, you had

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01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: somebody pissed off. We had to tell you that you

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01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: want to lost you all deal. You said, what mother

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01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: like they be all your fault to borrow man. I really, man,

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01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: we really support what you doing, man, and appreciate you

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01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: coming on man, and you dropped a lot of knowledge

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01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: on here. Man. I got some good some game from

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01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: you guys. And eight because I'm a big I'm a

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01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: uc I'm a huge hip hop fan. Oh yeah for sure.

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01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: So all of this stuff, I'm just soaking it in.

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01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: That's why I was just letting you roll when yeah,

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01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: like I said, we got to let people know. You know,

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01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: it's other ship that goes on as far as even

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01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: though we represent the streets and we come from whatever,

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01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: you still got a motherfucking uh. You still got a

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01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 1: motherfucking give people some some real knowledgeable man. Somebody got

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01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: to be the adults. We can't be on here this

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: people are so and this and all the time.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: And in this movie Microphone Check, you know, it's about

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01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: the origin of hip hop, particularly in the East Coast,

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Speaker 1: and I want to do I want to do a

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01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: West Coast version of it next because the history of

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01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: West Coast hip hop, man as it ties into the

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01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 1: gang culture, Uncle Jam's Army, all that, all of that

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01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: stuff that has to be told too, that's never been

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01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: told the way it should be told. I want to

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01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:57,719
Speaker 1: get aid in that and.

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01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 4: Do a lot of stories where we start off from

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01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 4: the Linzo and the Easy and Nwa era. But like

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Speaker 4: you said, it was a lot of it was a

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01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 4: lot of shit going on before then, and like you said,

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01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 4: that needs that story has to be told about the

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01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 4: foundation of West Coast hip hop because everybody looks at

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01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 4: you know, of course we all recognize with what you know,

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01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,799
Speaker 4: New York did for US and East Coast and whatever,

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01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 4: but we don't go in depth on those stories about

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Speaker 4: LA and West Coast hip hop before the Easy Doctor

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01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 4: Dre era, you get me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's almost like cut off, right, And

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01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: many of the dances came from here man, yet they

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Speaker 1: still do today. Cass was doing that in the early

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01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: seventies out of here man, So that has to be cold.

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01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: And also the gang influence definitely that you know what, man,

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01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 1: I used to pop back in the day, believe it

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01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: or not. I used to be a locker and that

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Speaker 1: was my biggest thing looking at the dudes on the

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01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: West Coast, seeing those guys. Yeah, and they were so

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01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: fluid with it. Man. It was amazing, you know what

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01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: I mean? It was amazing. Man. How can the people

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01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: get in.

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Speaker 3: Touch with you?

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01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: Yo?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: Go check out the movie Microphone Check at microphone check

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01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: dot com. Check out the rally for Reparations we got

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01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: coming up in June. That's rally, the number four Reparations

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01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: Rally for Reparations dot com. And just support all this stuff. Man,

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Speaker 1: y'all follow me on Twitter at Tarik Nashid. I would

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Speaker 1: definitely be at the rally, Yes, sir, where's the Where's

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Speaker 1: they gonna be it again? That's gonna be Freedom Plaza, Washington, DC, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: June fifteenth, And we got Big Daddy Kane performing out there.

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Speaker 1: We should probably organize something out here too. Man. We

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01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: need to, like really man, because I'm gonna tell you,

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01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: if you tell people to show up for some bullshit,

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01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 1: they go show up for Every black person in this

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01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: country need to be there. They got to jumping cars

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Speaker 1: together and carpool up there. Yes, indeed, and get up there.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm my shoot. Man. I might organize something myself man

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01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 1: and get some people out there, man, but leve get

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01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: on the buff. We got homies that got the class licensed. Man,

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01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 1: let's rent a bus man and six people out there. Man.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Man, I appreciate y'all having me on that.

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01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Man, y'all make sure man, y'all like subscribe,

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01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: leave for common and all that other good stuff. Man,

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Speaker 1: and we out of here. Well, that concludes another episode

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