WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: White Noise, "Frank Black," & An Immunity Deal 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.080 Hey there, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Aiming 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:10.120 and TJ. It is Thursday, May twenty second. The Diddy 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:15.760 trial continues here in Lower Manhattan where it's been a dreary, cold, 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.400 wintery day here in late May. Robes, it's really kind 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:23.239 of miserable here and this trial continues again. As we say, 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:24.640 we can see it right out the window for the 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.920 most part, just a few buildings are in our way 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:31.040 between here and that and that courthouse. But Robes, we 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.159 have been doing this now is you coined it? You 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:35.880 said this is kind of a one stop shop because 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.680 it is confusing for people to try to find so 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.240 many sources, so many websites, to try to piece together 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:43.400 exactly what happened in court. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.720 That's right. There aren't cameras in the courtroom, and so 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.560 you have reporters who give live updates and you actually, 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.159 I've found that we've had to go into multiple different 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.840 sites to piecemeal like minute by minute almost what's happened, 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:59.320 and who's recorded what, and who's impressed by or taken 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.360 by something. So so yes, this is all encompassing one 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.160 stop shop. You want to know what happened during the testimony, 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.040 We've got it for you all of the bullet points. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.000 And yes, as we sit here as of this recording, 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.520 another day of testimony is underway, so it is ongoing 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:18.039 as we speak. But another full day of testimony is 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:23.200 in the books. That was yesterday. Several witnesses on the stand, 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.840 what stood out to you yesterday? Wrote? 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.400 I think the big thing that stood out to me 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.160 was that the only reason why did he is facing 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.959 five federal criminal charges and facing life in prison is 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.600 because Cassie Ventura filed that civil lawsuit. Because we heard 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.800 that investigators were not looking into him whatsoever until she 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.520 filed that lawsuit. That was a bombshell for me. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.440 You know, I didn't know about this lady. For me 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.560 yesterday that stood out this woman that that was a 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:59.800 forensic psychologist, psychiatrist, excuse me, that testified. She testified about 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.640 use victims and relationships. I didn't realize that this star 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:09.200 witness is a really star witness. She has testified in 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.359 the amber her Johnny Depp trial, and she testified in 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.840 the r Kelly trial and here she is now testifying here. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.560 So it made me look into her a little more. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.960 I was like, Wow, who is this lady? So her 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.920 testimony and how much they had to stop yesterday because 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.040 of her testimony is really fascinating. We get into all that, 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.080 and sure enough, yesterday before we had George Gerard Gannon, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.480 I should say he was testifying the day before, so 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.359 he continued his testimony yesterday at the start of the day. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.680 But before they even got into that rose there was 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:42.720 some fighting among the lawyers trying to figure out a 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.680 particular piece of evidence, whether or not they want to 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.200 have it in how the jury. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.079 Here, Yeah, because it was an exchange between Diddy and 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.440 Kim Porter, that is, the late mother of his children, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.919 and the prosecution was concerned that if this evidence of 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:03.360 this exchange between the two was allowed into evidence, that 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.400 the jury might actually sympathize with Ditty because he is 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.200 the last remaining parent to the kids those two share 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:15.400 because Kim, of course tragically died complications it was influenced 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.840 pneumonia several years back. And so yes, they would literally 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.440 not have an available parent if Diddy is sent to 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:23.720 prison for the rest of his life. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.640 You know what, they have to think about things like this, 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.080 But they are aware they don't want the jury to 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.160 be sympathetic to the kids. This is a thing that's 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.920 a part of trials jury sympathy. But you know what, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.120 as a huge you think about you stop and think 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.280 about the kids. Well, it doesn't matter about whoever, what 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.480 crime and who you can't help, But as a human being, think, man, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.600 they lost, they don't have their mom and now a 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.400 decision I am going to make might take their dad 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.000 away from them. You can't as a human being. I 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:54.640 know he's just supposed to do your job, but you 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.280 can't help. But have that thought. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.360 And those kids are front row and center for those 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.280 jurors to see. They can look at their facial expressions, 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.720 they can see their pain, their discomfort. They are there 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.200 for the jury to see each and every day. And 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.280 a lot of people have questioned the parenting style of 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.320 someone who allow his children to hear some of this 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:19.680 graphic really difficult testimony for any one of us to hear, 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.560 let alone a child hearing that about their parent. And 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.280 yet they are there and it could be strategic, it 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.480 could just be support. We can't get into the minds 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.960 of who decided what, when and how or who should 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.320 be there, but they are there in the courtroom. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.360 We've seen this a loving look. We watch see it 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.760 dramatized on television all the time trials, but you and 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.359 I have witnessed a fair share of trials live in 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.240 our day, and there's always these sidebars. There's always these 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.480 little conversations. They have to keep sending the jury out 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.760 sometimes so the lawyers can fighte about something. It goes 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.640 on and on, but it just everything matters. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.960 This is subjective. I mean, all the truth is. All 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.560 that Diddy's legal team needs is one juror to not 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.960 be s sure, one juror to be sympathetic. One juror 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:10.240 can hang this jury and change everything for the prosecution. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.440 So yes, they have to pay attention to every single detail. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:14.800 You know, I get a sense, and I'm starting to 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.040 get more and more text messages and conversations I'm having 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.679 with my friends. I am looking at one from eleven 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.000 o'clock last night. You know my boy. I won't say 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.359 his name here. I think Diddy is going to walk. 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.360 I'm starting to get more messages like that. Don't get 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.240 me wrong, the trial is not over. We're very early, 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.440 just a few weeks in. But there's for whatever reason, 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.400 there's some tone or something that's out there. It's not 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.279 just a matter of we love Diddy, We love Ditty. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.880 There's there's a conversation that's being had about Wait a minute, yes, 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:43.839 domestic violence, knock yourself. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:44.360 Out, drugs. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.240 I think a lot of people just don't understand racketeering 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.040 and sex trafficing, Like what are we talking. I think 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.400 that's confusing some people. But it's been interesting to get 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:54.919 that feedback. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.680 It's interesting you got that feedback while the prosecution is 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.440 still in the early stages and already held their star witness. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.920 But seriously, already had their star witness testify. We haven't 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.360 even had the defense yet present its case. I mean 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.599 they've been able to cross examine, of course, But that 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.480 is interesting you got that message when it's still in 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.080 the middle, in the early stages, really, even of the 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.039 prosecution's case. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:16.800 Yeah, they did get going. Like we said, the first 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.400 witness they had on the stand was a guy who 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.559 had been testifying the previous day, the Homeland Security agent 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.719 who led the raid on the Miami home of Ditty. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.279 Now he continued, but he talked more about and look, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.760 we heard about this. A lot of people remember when 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.160 that raid happened, and the images and the video that 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.159 came out right after that. The first thing you started 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.039 hearing about was what baby oil? Maybe baby oil, baby oils. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.320 And this guy kind of went through a lot of 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.400 the items they found, and yes, baby oil was mentioned 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:42.839 a bunch. 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.000 Yeah, he had an evidence bag. And this is kind 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.720 of funny to say, but I was kind of surprised 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.479 that he only showed thirty one bottles of baby oil 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.560 because there were raids on both of Ditty's homes and 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.279 I believe the word that was used was thousands of 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.479 bottles of baby oil. So perhaps this was just a 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.080 one bag. Maybe there multiple bags. 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.240 Oh, that was an evidence bag he was showing, but 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.520 there was also they show pictures of the closet. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.120 There were boxes of thousands, thousands, this is correct, but. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.120 Yeah, I don't know about thousands, but boxes and boxes. 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.640 That was what I looked up when I went online 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.400 because I saw thirty one, just thirty one, which is 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.119 a funny thing to even think he only had thirty 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:19.160 one bottles of baby oil. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.440 Well, here's the thing I think about. I am forty seven. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.320 In my entire life, I have not used thirty one 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:26.480 bottles baby oil. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.400 I haven't used one bottle of baby oil. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.240 I don't know if I've used it past a certain age. 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.600 I don't know if I've ever used it. I'm gonna 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.679 go ahead and say that anyway, that was normal. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.120 There was one with a pink top and one with 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:39.560 a green top. What was the distinction. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.120 I think one is like for sensitive skin and one's 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.440 like baby soft. Okay, you know they make a different sense. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.360 Any number is a wild number of bottles of baby oils. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.240 Me a dozen platform heel shoes in his closet. One 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.400 of them I believe was seven inches. So this is 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.840 all for play, for play, the aesthetics of what he 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.040 was looking for when he was creating these freak coughs. 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.560 And then this was a confusing picture in the closet 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:07.360 because yes, you're thinking baby oil, drugs, platform heels. And 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.360 then you see two rubber duckies. What was that? 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.440 No, they never mentioned them at all. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:13.400 I saw them too. 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.160 Nobody apparently had anything to say. They had nothing to 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.960 do with nothing, but they were in there, and nobody. 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.960 There had to be a reason why rubber duckies were 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.160 in the box filled with sex toys, but they weren't. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.960 They weren't relevant to the testimony. I actually say, I don't. 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.320 Want to know. Actually, now that I just said that 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.600 sentence out loud. I actually don't want to know what 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.160 the rubber duckies were used for. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.439 We know a nice jacuzzi tub night and have the 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.120 duckies in there. It's nice, it could be fun. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.280 Nothing says sexy like a rubber ducky. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.200 I mean, it's just okay, I can't do this with 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:52.400 you right now, but yes, your moment. This is the 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.120 guy that gave the moment maybe of the case to 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.240 a certain degree. It's just when you get your head 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.760 around it's Casey Ventura. If she had not done what 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.679 she'd done, when would we have known any of this? 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.000 We have ever known any of this. This was remarkable 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.520 to hear. A lot of people suspected and thought it 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.439 has been talked about and the timing suggested that these 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.400 things were related. But he flat out confirmed. 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.640 He flat out confirmed that they did not start investigating. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.000 The federal government did not start investigating Sean. Did he 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:26.440 Combs until Cassie Ventura filed her lawsuit? I bet hearing 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.920 that did he thought, man, I should have settled the 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.240 second that suit came to me, or the second I 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.480 thought she was going to sue. I should have paid 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.040 her off because now he is fighting for his life. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.880 It's not about thirty million dollars. That's what she initially asked, 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.640 and I think he ended up giving her twenty million, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.160 is what she testified to. I can't help but think 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.760 he must be just kicking himself for not going ahead 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.280 and saying, all right, I'll give you the book rights 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.520 or I'll own the book rights that you would write. 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.920 Because this all set off a huge chain of events 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.320 that has landed him now behind bars since September YEP 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.040 and potentially never seeing the light of day again. I 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.520 also think it's interesting because as detective or I don't 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.400 know what his actual title is, the homeland security agent 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.040 again and said to the jury or testified in court 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:18.360 about the drugs. A Gucci bag in the closet containing pills, 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.920 white powder, crystal rock like substances that tested positive for 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:27.960 cocaine and ketamine, traces of MDMA, other drugs that I 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.679 can't pronounce were in there. But I'm curious is it 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.880 too low brow for federal agents to put drug charges 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.679 on him? I know the drugs are important because establishing 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.080 that there were drugs there, that's how the prosecution is 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:44.000 claiming he coerced people like Cassie and others to do 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.559 his bidding by having them hopped up on drugs. But 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.520 I'm just I'm interested, why is that just not even 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.960 that too low level? Does that not bring enough time 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.600 behind bars? Because clearly they have evidence of drugs and 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.120 they never charged him, not with one drug charge. 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.319 It's too small. I think we remember, I mean, he's 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:06.560 facing racketeering charge that mob bosses have faced here in 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.719 New York. And what was always a situation, No, I 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.680 don't want to get him from, so some low level 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.840 drug charge. He goes, spends a six months in jail, 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:16.720 and he's right back out on the street. They always 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.000 say it was they want the big fish, and they 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:20.360 want him for the big charge. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.800 They always got him for tax evasion. I thought, wasn't 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.599 that always the case how they got mob bosses. It 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.160 was never what they did. It was some other charge 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:28.839 that they could they could nail them on and keep 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:29.800 them in jail for a while. 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.400 You're thinking about Scarface in Chicago. We did that. But 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.400 the guys here in New York, they got him on 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.040 a rico charge. A whole new law that was created 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.880 to actually go for the heads of these organizations I'm sorry. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.720 I'm a little bit of a mob history. 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.240 I love that you know that I was mine was 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.120 a question. I was just something that I had heard 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:47.800 and seen before. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.640 Yes, Capone, he was the one in Chicago. After all 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.480 that stuff he did, he went to jail, but. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.240 Taxation left and right, cutting off body parts. But he 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.319 got in for tax evasion, but. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.560 They got him. Uh, the other wood of the day, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:01.840 I didn't know if we were going to get through 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.559 the second witness, Don Hughes is her name, Barros. They 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:11.720 had constant sidebars stopping testimony so they could discuss what 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.800 testimony she would be allowed to give. So that lets 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.840 you know just how important both sides think this particular 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.440 witness had to be. And look, I didn't know this 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.600 as well. An interesting nugget. Have you been in a 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.000 trial where they use white noise during sidebars? 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.559 You know why I have not been in a trial. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.680 I've you know what, when I have gone to therapy. 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.240 This is true. And if you go into one of 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.319 these small little doctor's offices, they have white noise machines 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:42.000 in the lobby so that you can't even potentially hear 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:46.200 for privacy, what someone else who might be in the 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.240 doctor's office before you spilling their guts to the doctors, 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.040 so you can't possibly hear what might be going on 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.720 in the room with a psychiatrist or a therapist that 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.920 you're about to Anderson. While you're waiting, they have white 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.800 noise in the lobby. That's it's the only time I've 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:01.240 seen that. 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.000 I can learn so much from you. But I had 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.320 no idea that was the case. But they have been 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.920 using a white noise machine. They turn it on while 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:09.800 the jury is still in there when the lawyers need 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.920 to go have a quick word with the with the judge. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.400 The judge actually cracked a joke yesterday. He cracked a 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:16.679 joke and said, you know what, maybe we need to 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.400 get rid of this white noise and maybe do elevator 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.840 music instead. You made a little joke about it. But 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.479 it's been happening so much that they're doing these sidebars 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:25.920 that they're trying to keep the jury. 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.400 Yes, that would put me to sleep. Honestly, I use 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.640 white noise to go to bed. Babies use it to sleep. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.600 There is a one report that a juror has been 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.600 falling astead. I'm not kidding during her testimony. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.160 It actually is like that for me, when I hear 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.480 white noise, I like brown noise specifically, it's a difference. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.360 It's a slightly different tone that I put on when 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:44.640 I try to go to sleep or if I'm having 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:45.559 a hard time falling asleep. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.160 What does black noise do there? 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.360 I don't know that there is when there's violet, there's brown, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.600 there's white, there's blue. I've not seen black noise. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:52.880 We can't get black noise. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.679 Okay, oh my gosh. We digress. But the reason why 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.680 doctor Hughes was so important is because she was there 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.760 to testify based on her experience, because actually she was 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.920 called a blind witness. So she's not spoken to Cassie Ventura, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.640 she's not spoken to John Ditycomb. She's actually not interviewed 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.400 any of these women who will see or hear from 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.640 later about their trauma, because she says this is just 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:22.760 based on her personal experience as a trauma therapist. She 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:27.080 talked about the trauma bond that happens between abusers and victims, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:31.200 and she testified that many victims will wait months, even 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.080 years before telling anyone what happened to them. And that's 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.160 of course, pointing to the fact that Cassie Ventura did 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:42.120 not necessarily say anything. She took a long time for 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.800 her to even tell her mother, and certainly she stayed 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.240 with him on and off for eleven years, which makes 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.600 people question, was she really abused? 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.920 Well, we have it seems like we should be past 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.200 this as a society. We get this at this point. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.000 We have seen enough, learn enough, read enough. There have 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.480 been enough stories, if you will, in high profile ones 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.800 about why this takes it. It should come as no 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.520 surprise to anyone that a potential abuse victim would stay 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.240 in that relationship. So anyone who just say, well, why 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.440 didn't you just leave? That's really offensive and ignorant at 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:14.400 this point it is. 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.320 But I do think having someone who has those credentials 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.760 telling you as you're listening as a member of the jury, 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.360 to keep that in mind, it's almost a reminder, it's 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.280 almost a highlighter almost, of what you heard from Cassie 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.080 and anything the defense tried to throw at her to 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.120 discredit her. It was a reminder that, hey, this is 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:37.040 what happens a lot of times when someone is repeatedly 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:38.720 abused and doesn't have a way out. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.680 Oh that this was the prosecution, Oh they needed this lady. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.320 She needed to be there and absolutely, and she delivered. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.480 He called her a blind witness. She's not supposed to 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.240 be there for any she doesn't have a dog in 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.560 the fight. She's not there for either side necessarily. But 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.600 what is this here? She had four points why victims stay, 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.360 how they deal, how they talk about abuse, and how 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:06.680 trauma affects memory. So I, even though we generally understand 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.600 why often an abuse victim would stay, I was fascinated 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.280 by this lady's testimony to hear her kind of break 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.800 these things down and the trauma bond you'd mentioned a 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.880 second ago. You think about it, and no, I'm not 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.720 going to make that comparison, but point there being, you 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:27.320 go through so much with somebody, incredible highs, the worst 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:28.960 lows of your life, that. 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.320 Bonds you because no one else knows what you've been 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.040 through except that other person. Even when it was hard, 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.640 and even when maybe that person is the reason why 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.400 it was so hard, it's still something that the two 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.680 of you share that only the two of you actually know. 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.200 So that makes total sense to me. And yeah, I 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:50.160 was actually fascinated hearing that. Cassie Ventur testified to this, 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.560 as did Don Richard, that the further they get away 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.600 from it, the more their memories come back, which is 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.520 counterintuitive to how most people would say, you need to 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.320 write it down as soon as it happens because you'll forget, 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.680 but they actually say when moments of significant trauma, it's 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:06.400 the opposite. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.000 Well, in this they tried to I wouldn't say discredit, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.840 but at least they put on the record. The defense 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.560 did let you know who this lady is, and she's 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.919 a superstar. She testified in the Depth trial, The Depth 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.960 Johnny Depp and I under heard that civil trial, and 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:22.919 she testified in the r Kelly trial, and again she 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.639 testified in the Depth herb same thing. Blind witness just 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.840 talked about her conclusions to what she sees. She's talking 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.119 about conclusions based on behavior and things that she heard. 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.560 She doesn't necessarily have to and she made the point, 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.119 I don't interview abusers. 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.640 Yes, she did say that. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.520 They tried to get at her about so you can't 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.040 say anything about doto za da da da. Yeah, I 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.359 don't do that. I don't go interview abuse. She did 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.840 yeh a response for that and her rate does it matter? Yes, 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:50.600 she gets paid. But they tried to make a point 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.320 tried to discredit her, maybe say she's just here for money, 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:54.920 but she gets paid six grand a day. 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.480 I think that, you know, I mean, obviously she's good 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.239 at what she does, and she's considered knowledgeable and an 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.840 expert at Yes, exactly. 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.240 The last witness of the day. We'll get through here 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.000 fairly quickly. George Kaplan is the name and robes. We 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.040 didn't know if he was going to excuse me. We 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:20.439 knew he was going to get on the stand. We 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.000 didn't know if he was going to say anything because 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.240 he had he wasn't coursed to get up there, but the. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:32.320 Impelled incentivized, incentivized. Yes. So when he first was put 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.720 on the witness stand, he invoked his Fifth Amendment right 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:39.600 to not testify because he because of potential self incrimination. Basically, 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.520 he knew what he did was illegal, and if he 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.600 testified to what he saw from Sean Diddy Combs and 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.600 how he participated in some of these activities, he would 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.080 then be basically incriminating himself and he didn't want to 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.320 do so. So the judge said he would sign an 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.960 immunity order that would require Kaplan to testify and he 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.120 would then receive immunity for any illegal deeds he did. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.439 And so then yes, we did hear him testify. He 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.440 talked about working eighty to one hundred hours a week 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:07.879 for Diddy. 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.200 What's that math? That's average? What a day? I'd be 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.280 working five days a week? Is that even possible? 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:15.320 Or is he working seven days? 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:16.160 It was probably seven. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:17.840 I guarantee it seven days a week. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.040 But you know what does that average out to a day? 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:21.560