Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Aiming
Speaker 1: and TJ. It is Thursday, May twenty second. The Diddy
Speaker 1: trial continues here in Lower Manhattan where it's been a dreary, cold,
Speaker 1: wintery day here in late May. Robes, it's really kind
Speaker 1: of miserable here and this trial continues again. As we say,
Speaker 1: we can see it right out the window for the
Speaker 1: most part, just a few buildings are in our way
Speaker 1: between here and that and that courthouse. But Robes, we
Speaker 1: have been doing this now is you coined it? You
Speaker 1: said this is kind of a one stop shop because
Speaker 1: it is confusing for people to try to find so
Speaker 1: many sources, so many websites, to try to piece together
Speaker 1: exactly what happened in court.
Speaker 2: That's right. There aren't cameras in the courtroom, and so
Speaker 2: you have reporters who give live updates and you actually,
Speaker 2: I've found that we've had to go into multiple different
Speaker 2: sites to piecemeal like minute by minute almost what's happened,
Speaker 2: and who's recorded what, and who's impressed by or taken
Speaker 2: by something. So so yes, this is all encompassing one
Speaker 2: stop shop. You want to know what happened during the testimony,
Speaker 2: We've got it for you all of the bullet points.
Speaker 1: And yes, as we sit here as of this recording,
Speaker 1: another day of testimony is underway, so it is ongoing
Speaker 1: as we speak. But another full day of testimony is
Speaker 1: in the books. That was yesterday. Several witnesses on the stand,
Speaker 1: what stood out to you yesterday? Wrote?
Speaker 2: I think the big thing that stood out to me
Speaker 2: was that the only reason why did he is facing
Speaker 2: five federal criminal charges and facing life in prison is
Speaker 2: because Cassie Ventura filed that civil lawsuit. Because we heard
Speaker 2: that investigators were not looking into him whatsoever until she
Speaker 2: filed that lawsuit. That was a bombshell for me.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know about this lady. For me
Speaker 1: yesterday that stood out this woman that that was a
Speaker 1: forensic psychologist, psychiatrist, excuse me, that testified. She testified about
Speaker 1: use victims and relationships. I didn't realize that this star
Speaker 1: witness is a really star witness. She has testified in
Speaker 1: the amber her Johnny Depp trial, and she testified in
Speaker 1: the r Kelly trial and here she is now testifying here.
Speaker 1: So it made me look into her a little more.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, who is this lady? So her
Speaker 1: testimony and how much they had to stop yesterday because
Speaker 1: of her testimony is really fascinating. We get into all that,
Speaker 1: and sure enough, yesterday before we had George Gerard Gannon,
Speaker 1: I should say he was testifying the day before, so
Speaker 1: he continued his testimony yesterday at the start of the day.
Speaker 1: But before they even got into that rose there was
Speaker 1: some fighting among the lawyers trying to figure out a
Speaker 1: particular piece of evidence, whether or not they want to
Speaker 1: have it in how the jury.
Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, because it was an exchange between Diddy and
Speaker 2: Kim Porter, that is, the late mother of his children,
Speaker 2: and the prosecution was concerned that if this evidence of
Speaker 2: this exchange between the two was allowed into evidence, that
Speaker 2: the jury might actually sympathize with Ditty because he is
Speaker 2: the last remaining parent to the kids those two share
Speaker 2: because Kim, of course tragically died complications it was influenced
Speaker 2: pneumonia several years back. And so yes, they would literally
Speaker 2: not have an available parent if Diddy is sent to
Speaker 2: prison for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: You know what, they have to think about things like this,
Speaker 1: But they are aware they don't want the jury to
Speaker 1: be sympathetic to the kids. This is a thing that's
Speaker 1: a part of trials jury sympathy. But you know what,
Speaker 1: as a huge you think about you stop and think
Speaker 1: about the kids. Well, it doesn't matter about whoever, what
Speaker 1: crime and who you can't help, But as a human being, think, man,
Speaker 1: they lost, they don't have their mom and now a
Speaker 1: decision I am going to make might take their dad
Speaker 1: away from them. You can't as a human being. I
Speaker 1: know he's just supposed to do your job, but you
Speaker 1: can't help. But have that thought.
Speaker 2: And those kids are front row and center for those
Speaker 2: jurors to see. They can look at their facial expressions,
Speaker 2: they can see their pain, their discomfort. They are there
Speaker 2: for the jury to see each and every day. And
Speaker 2: a lot of people have questioned the parenting style of
Speaker 2: someone who allow his children to hear some of this
Speaker 2: graphic really difficult testimony for any one of us to hear,
Speaker 2: let alone a child hearing that about their parent. And
Speaker 2: yet they are there and it could be strategic, it
Speaker 2: could just be support. We can't get into the minds
Speaker 2: of who decided what, when and how or who should
Speaker 2: be there, but they are there in the courtroom.
Speaker 1: We've seen this a loving look. We watch see it
Speaker 1: dramatized on television all the time trials, but you and
Speaker 1: I have witnessed a fair share of trials live in
Speaker 1: our day, and there's always these sidebars. There's always these
Speaker 1: little conversations. They have to keep sending the jury out
Speaker 1: sometimes so the lawyers can fighte about something. It goes
Speaker 1: on and on, but it just everything matters.
Speaker 2: This is subjective. I mean, all the truth is. All
Speaker 2: that Diddy's legal team needs is one juror to not
Speaker 2: be s sure, one juror to be sympathetic. One juror
Speaker 2: can hang this jury and change everything for the prosecution.
Speaker 2: So yes, they have to pay attention to every single detail.
Speaker 1: You know, I get a sense, and I'm starting to
Speaker 1: get more and more text messages and conversations I'm having
Speaker 1: with my friends. I am looking at one from eleven
Speaker 1: o'clock last night. You know my boy. I won't say
Speaker 1: his name here. I think Diddy is going to walk.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get more messages like that. Don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, the trial is not over. We're very early,
Speaker 1: just a few weeks in. But there's for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: there's some tone or something that's out there. It's not
Speaker 1: just a matter of we love Diddy, We love Ditty.
Speaker 1: There's there's a conversation that's being had about Wait a minute, yes,
Speaker 1: domestic violence, knock yourself.
Speaker 2: Out, drugs.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people just don't understand racketeering
Speaker 1: and sex trafficing, Like what are we talking. I think
Speaker 1: that's confusing some people. But it's been interesting to get
Speaker 1: that feedback.
Speaker 2: It's interesting you got that feedback while the prosecution is
Speaker 2: still in the early stages and already held their star witness.
Speaker 2: But seriously, already had their star witness testify. We haven't
Speaker 2: even had the defense yet present its case. I mean
Speaker 2: they've been able to cross examine, of course, But that
Speaker 2: is interesting you got that message when it's still in
Speaker 2: the middle, in the early stages, really, even of the
Speaker 2: prosecution's case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did get going. Like we said, the first
Speaker 1: witness they had on the stand was a guy who
Speaker 1: had been testifying the previous day, the Homeland Security agent
Speaker 1: who led the raid on the Miami home of Ditty.
Speaker 1: Now he continued, but he talked more about and look,
Speaker 1: we heard about this. A lot of people remember when
Speaker 1: that raid happened, and the images and the video that
Speaker 1: came out right after that. The first thing you started
Speaker 1: hearing about was what baby oil? Maybe baby oil, baby oils.
Speaker 1: And this guy kind of went through a lot of
Speaker 1: the items they found, and yes, baby oil was mentioned
Speaker 1: a bunch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had an evidence bag. And this is kind
Speaker 2: of funny to say, but I was kind of surprised
Speaker 2: that he only showed thirty one bottles of baby oil
Speaker 2: because there were raids on both of Ditty's homes and
Speaker 2: I believe the word that was used was thousands of
Speaker 2: bottles of baby oil. So perhaps this was just a
Speaker 2: one bag. Maybe there multiple bags.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was an evidence bag he was showing, but
Speaker 1: there was also they show pictures of the closet.
Speaker 2: There were boxes of thousands, thousands, this is correct, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about thousands, but boxes and boxes.
Speaker 2: That was what I looked up when I went online
Speaker 2: because I saw thirty one, just thirty one, which is
Speaker 2: a funny thing to even think he only had thirty
Speaker 2: one bottles of baby oil.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing I think about. I am forty seven.
Speaker 1: In my entire life, I have not used thirty one
Speaker 1: bottles baby oil.
Speaker 2: I haven't used one bottle of baby oil.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've used it past a certain age.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever used it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead and say that anyway, that was normal.
Speaker 1: There was one with a pink top and one with
Speaker 1: a green top. What was the distinction.
Speaker 2: I think one is like for sensitive skin and one's
Speaker 2: like baby soft. Okay, you know they make a different sense.
Speaker 1: Any number is a wild number of bottles of baby oils.
Speaker 2: Me a dozen platform heel shoes in his closet. One
Speaker 2: of them I believe was seven inches. So this is
Speaker 2: all for play, for play, the aesthetics of what he
Speaker 2: was looking for when he was creating these freak coughs.
Speaker 2: And then this was a confusing picture in the closet
Speaker 2: because yes, you're thinking baby oil, drugs, platform heels. And
Speaker 2: then you see two rubber duckies. What was that?
Speaker 1: No, they never mentioned them at all.
Speaker 2: I saw them too.
Speaker 1: Nobody apparently had anything to say. They had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with nothing, but they were in there, and nobody.
Speaker 2: There had to be a reason why rubber duckies were
Speaker 2: in the box filled with sex toys, but they weren't.
Speaker 1: They weren't relevant to the testimony. I actually say, I don't.
Speaker 2: Want to know. Actually, now that I just said that
Speaker 2: sentence out loud. I actually don't want to know what
Speaker 2: the rubber duckies were used for.
Speaker 1: We know a nice jacuzzi tub night and have the
Speaker 1: duckies in there. It's nice, it could be fun.
Speaker 2: Nothing says sexy like a rubber ducky.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just okay, I can't do this with
Speaker 1: you right now, but yes, your moment. This is the
Speaker 1: guy that gave the moment maybe of the case to
Speaker 1: a certain degree. It's just when you get your head
Speaker 1: around it's Casey Ventura. If she had not done what
Speaker 1: she'd done, when would we have known any of this?
Speaker 1: We have ever known any of this. This was remarkable
Speaker 1: to hear. A lot of people suspected and thought it
Speaker 1: has been talked about and the timing suggested that these
Speaker 1: things were related. But he flat out confirmed.
Speaker 2: He flat out confirmed that they did not start investigating.
Speaker 2: The federal government did not start investigating Sean. Did he
Speaker 2: Combs until Cassie Ventura filed her lawsuit? I bet hearing
Speaker 2: that did he thought, man, I should have settled the
Speaker 2: second that suit came to me, or the second I
Speaker 2: thought she was going to sue. I should have paid
Speaker 2: her off because now he is fighting for his life.
Speaker 2: It's not about thirty million dollars. That's what she initially asked,
Speaker 2: and I think he ended up giving her twenty million,
Speaker 2: is what she testified to. I can't help but think
Speaker 2: he must be just kicking himself for not going ahead
Speaker 2: and saying, all right, I'll give you the book rights
Speaker 2: or I'll own the book rights that you would write.
Speaker 2: Because this all set off a huge chain of events
Speaker 2: that has landed him now behind bars since September YEP
Speaker 2: and potentially never seeing the light of day again. I
Speaker 2: also think it's interesting because as detective or I don't
Speaker 2: know what his actual title is, the homeland security agent
Speaker 2: again and said to the jury or testified in court
Speaker 2: about the drugs. A Gucci bag in the closet containing pills,
Speaker 2: white powder, crystal rock like substances that tested positive for
Speaker 2: cocaine and ketamine, traces of MDMA, other drugs that I
Speaker 2: can't pronounce were in there. But I'm curious is it
Speaker 2: too low brow for federal agents to put drug charges
Speaker 2: on him? I know the drugs are important because establishing
Speaker 2: that there were drugs there, that's how the prosecution is
Speaker 2: claiming he coerced people like Cassie and others to do
Speaker 2: his bidding by having them hopped up on drugs. But
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm interested, why is that just not even
Speaker 2: that too low level? Does that not bring enough time
Speaker 2: behind bars? Because clearly they have evidence of drugs and
Speaker 2: they never charged him, not with one drug charge.
Speaker 1: It's too small. I think we remember, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: facing racketeering charge that mob bosses have faced here in
Speaker 1: New York. And what was always a situation, No, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get him from, so some low level
Speaker 1: drug charge. He goes, spends a six months in jail,
Speaker 1: and he's right back out on the street. They always
Speaker 1: say it was they want the big fish, and they
Speaker 1: want him for the big charge.
Speaker 2: They always got him for tax evasion. I thought, wasn't
Speaker 2: that always the case how they got mob bosses. It
Speaker 2: was never what they did. It was some other charge
Speaker 2: that they could they could nail them on and keep
Speaker 2: them in jail for a while.
Speaker 1: You're thinking about Scarface in Chicago. We did that. But
Speaker 1: the guys here in New York, they got him on
Speaker 1: a rico charge. A whole new law that was created
Speaker 1: to actually go for the heads of these organizations I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of a mob history.
Speaker 2: I love that you know that I was mine was
Speaker 2: a question. I was just something that I had heard
Speaker 2: and seen before.
Speaker 1: Yes, Capone, he was the one in Chicago. After all
Speaker 1: that stuff he did, he went to jail, but.
Speaker 2: Taxation left and right, cutting off body parts. But he
Speaker 2: got in for tax evasion, but.
Speaker 1: They got him. Uh, the other wood of the day,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if we were going to get through
Speaker 1: the second witness, Don Hughes is her name, Barros. They
Speaker 1: had constant sidebars stopping testimony so they could discuss what
Speaker 1: testimony she would be allowed to give. So that lets
Speaker 1: you know just how important both sides think this particular
Speaker 1: witness had to be. And look, I didn't know this
Speaker 1: as well. An interesting nugget. Have you been in a
Speaker 1: trial where they use white noise during sidebars?
Speaker 2: You know why I have not been in a trial.
Speaker 2: I've you know what, when I have gone to therapy.
Speaker 2: This is true. And if you go into one of
Speaker 2: these small little doctor's offices, they have white noise machines
Speaker 2: in the lobby so that you can't even potentially hear
Speaker 2: for privacy, what someone else who might be in the
Speaker 2: doctor's office before you spilling their guts to the doctors,
Speaker 2: so you can't possibly hear what might be going on
Speaker 2: in the room with a psychiatrist or a therapist that
Speaker 2: you're about to Anderson. While you're waiting, they have white
Speaker 2: noise in the lobby. That's it's the only time I've
Speaker 2: seen that.
Speaker 1: I can learn so much from you. But I had
Speaker 1: no idea that was the case. But they have been
Speaker 1: using a white noise machine. They turn it on while
Speaker 1: the jury is still in there when the lawyers need
Speaker 1: to go have a quick word with the with the judge.
Speaker 1: The judge actually cracked a joke yesterday. He cracked a
Speaker 1: joke and said, you know what, maybe we need to
Speaker 1: get rid of this white noise and maybe do elevator
Speaker 1: music instead. You made a little joke about it. But
Speaker 1: it's been happening so much that they're doing these sidebars
Speaker 1: that they're trying to keep the jury.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would put me to sleep. Honestly, I use
Speaker 2: white noise to go to bed. Babies use it to sleep.
Speaker 1: There is a one report that a juror has been
Speaker 1: falling astead. I'm not kidding during her testimony.
Speaker 2: It actually is like that for me, when I hear
Speaker 2: white noise, I like brown noise specifically, it's a difference.
Speaker 2: It's a slightly different tone that I put on when
Speaker 2: I try to go to sleep or if I'm having
Speaker 2: a hard time falling asleep.
Speaker 1: What does black noise do there?
Speaker 2: I don't know that there is when there's violet, there's brown,
Speaker 2: there's white, there's blue. I've not seen black noise.
Speaker 1: We can't get black noise.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh my gosh. We digress. But the reason why
Speaker 2: doctor Hughes was so important is because she was there
Speaker 2: to testify based on her experience, because actually she was
Speaker 2: called a blind witness. So she's not spoken to Cassie Ventura,
Speaker 2: she's not spoken to John Ditycomb. She's actually not interviewed
Speaker 2: any of these women who will see or hear from
Speaker 2: later about their trauma, because she says this is just
Speaker 2: based on her personal experience as a trauma therapist. She
Speaker 2: talked about the trauma bond that happens between abusers and victims,
Speaker 2: and she testified that many victims will wait months, even
Speaker 2: years before telling anyone what happened to them. And that's
Speaker 2: of course, pointing to the fact that Cassie Ventura did
Speaker 2: not necessarily say anything. She took a long time for
Speaker 2: her to even tell her mother, and certainly she stayed
Speaker 2: with him on and off for eleven years, which makes
Speaker 2: people question, was she really abused?
Speaker 1: Well, we have it seems like we should be past
Speaker 1: this as a society. We get this at this point.
Speaker 1: We have seen enough, learn enough, read enough. There have
Speaker 1: been enough stories, if you will, in high profile ones
Speaker 1: about why this takes it. It should come as no
Speaker 1: surprise to anyone that a potential abuse victim would stay
Speaker 1: in that relationship. So anyone who just say, well, why
Speaker 1: didn't you just leave? That's really offensive and ignorant at
Speaker 1: this point it is.
Speaker 2: But I do think having someone who has those credentials
Speaker 2: telling you as you're listening as a member of the jury,
Speaker 2: to keep that in mind, it's almost a reminder, it's
Speaker 2: almost a highlighter almost, of what you heard from Cassie
Speaker 2: and anything the defense tried to throw at her to
Speaker 2: discredit her. It was a reminder that, hey, this is
Speaker 2: what happens a lot of times when someone is repeatedly
Speaker 2: abused and doesn't have a way out.
Speaker 1: Oh that this was the prosecution, Oh they needed this lady.
Speaker 1: She needed to be there and absolutely, and she delivered.
Speaker 1: He called her a blind witness. She's not supposed to
Speaker 1: be there for any she doesn't have a dog in
Speaker 1: the fight. She's not there for either side necessarily. But
Speaker 1: what is this here? She had four points why victims stay,
Speaker 1: how they deal, how they talk about abuse, and how
Speaker 1: trauma affects memory. So I, even though we generally understand
Speaker 1: why often an abuse victim would stay, I was fascinated
Speaker 1: by this lady's testimony to hear her kind of break
Speaker 1: these things down and the trauma bond you'd mentioned a
Speaker 1: second ago. You think about it, and no, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to make that comparison, but point there being, you
Speaker 1: go through so much with somebody, incredible highs, the worst
Speaker 1: lows of your life, that.
Speaker 2: Bonds you because no one else knows what you've been
Speaker 2: through except that other person. Even when it was hard,
Speaker 2: and even when maybe that person is the reason why
Speaker 2: it was so hard, it's still something that the two
Speaker 2: of you share that only the two of you actually know.
Speaker 2: So that makes total sense to me. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: was actually fascinated hearing that. Cassie Ventur testified to this,
Speaker 2: as did Don Richard, that the further they get away
Speaker 2: from it, the more their memories come back, which is
Speaker 2: counterintuitive to how most people would say, you need to
Speaker 2: write it down as soon as it happens because you'll forget,
Speaker 2: but they actually say when moments of significant trauma, it's
Speaker 2: the opposite.
Speaker 1: Well, in this they tried to I wouldn't say discredit,
Speaker 1: but at least they put on the record. The defense
Speaker 1: did let you know who this lady is, and she's
Speaker 1: a superstar. She testified in the Depth trial, The Depth
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp and I under heard that civil trial, and
Speaker 1: she testified in the r Kelly trial, and again she
Speaker 1: testified in the Depth herb same thing. Blind witness just
Speaker 1: talked about her conclusions to what she sees. She's talking
Speaker 1: about conclusions based on behavior and things that she heard.
Speaker 1: She doesn't necessarily have to and she made the point,
Speaker 1: I don't interview abusers.
Speaker 2: Yes, she did say that.
Speaker 1: They tried to get at her about so you can't
Speaker 1: say anything about doto za da da da. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't do that. I don't go interview abuse. She did
Speaker 1: yeh a response for that and her rate does it matter? Yes,
Speaker 1: she gets paid. But they tried to make a point
Speaker 1: tried to discredit her, maybe say she's just here for money,
Speaker 1: but she gets paid six grand a day.
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, I mean, obviously she's good
Speaker 2: at what she does, and she's considered knowledgeable and an
Speaker 2: expert at Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: The last witness of the day. We'll get through here
Speaker 1: fairly quickly. George Kaplan is the name and robes. We
Speaker 1: didn't know if he was going to excuse me. We
Speaker 1: knew he was going to get on the stand. We
Speaker 1: didn't know if he was going to say anything because
Speaker 1: he had he wasn't coursed to get up there, but the.
Speaker 2: Impelled incentivized, incentivized. Yes. So when he first was put
Speaker 2: on the witness stand, he invoked his Fifth Amendment right
Speaker 2: to not testify because he because of potential self incrimination. Basically,
Speaker 2: he knew what he did was illegal, and if he
Speaker 2: testified to what he saw from Sean Diddy Combs and
Speaker 2: how he participated in some of these activities, he would
Speaker 2: then be basically incriminating himself and he didn't want to
Speaker 2: do so. So the judge said he would sign an
Speaker 2: immunity order that would require Kaplan to testify and he
Speaker 2: would then receive immunity for any illegal deeds he did.
Speaker 2: And so then yes, we did hear him testify. He
Speaker 2: talked about working eighty to one hundred hours a week
Speaker 2: for Diddy.
Speaker 1: What's that math? That's average? What a day? I'd be
Speaker 1: working five days a week? Is that even possible?
Speaker 2: Or is he working seven days?
Speaker 1: It was probably seven.
Speaker 2: I guarantee it seven days a week.
Speaker 1: But you know what does that average out to a day?
Speaker 1: And we're trying to do math.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's more than ten hours a day. It
Speaker 2: could be like fifteen hours a day. But he said
Speaker 2: day started at nine am, and they could maybe on
Speaker 2: a good day they end at six pm. But on
Speaker 2: a bad day, I saw he stayed up as late
Speaker 2: as seven am, so nine am to seven am. So
Speaker 2: on his worst day, he did twenty two hours straight.
Speaker 2: And he talked about carrying bags of everything that did
Speaker 2: he might need. That would include an iPad, snacks, drugs,
Speaker 2: you know, anything that did he might need. And if
Speaker 2: he didn't get it right, well he got he knew
Speaker 2: really quickly.
Speaker 1: He only worked one for I think a fifteen month period,
Speaker 1: so a year and a half even, and he said
Speaker 1: every month, once a month, at least once a month,
Speaker 1: did he with threaten to fire him? Now, okay, fine
Speaker 1: and crazy boss and this and that, but listen to
Speaker 1: this story he told He said on one of those
Speaker 1: times that he was threatened with firing, he was threatened
Speaker 1: to be fired because he went to the store. He
Speaker 1: was instructed to get a gallon, robes, a gallon of
Speaker 1: water in a BPA free water bottle. That's the assignment.
Speaker 1: So he went to Whole.
Speaker 2: Foods, and Whole Foods only had half gallon bottles. So
Speaker 2: he thought, this is an easy solution. I'm going to
Speaker 2: bring back two half gallon bottles in a BPA free
Speaker 2: water bottle.
Speaker 1: Prompts off, all good, it's a gallon of water.
Speaker 2: Did He was not happy? And apparently and that occasion
Speaker 2: got in his face, like inches from his face, screaming
Speaker 2: at him, threatening to fire him because he didn't bring
Speaker 2: back one gallon. Instead he brought back two half gallons.
Speaker 2: It speaks to the to the environment that a lot
Speaker 2: of these folks were living in.
Speaker 1: It's wild. Now we've been talking to so we've been
Speaker 1: doing so many deep dives and talking to people who
Speaker 1: are in Diddy's world to hear that this was all
Speaker 1: on display on making the band.
Speaker 2: You're not surprised because you watched the show. I did not.
Speaker 1: This is right in line, but we watched it and
Speaker 1: were entertained and for some reason thought this is what
Speaker 1: it takes in the industry. I watched that show and
Speaker 1: was never at any point uncomfortable or dismissive of him.
Speaker 1: And I think, wow, who is Aubrey Ode who we've
Speaker 1: been talking to and doing a separate show with her
Speaker 1: talking and covering the trial. She was one that said,
Speaker 1: this guy, the environment that they were in is like
Speaker 1: nothing you've ever seen before, Like it's hard. They keep saying,
Speaker 1: it's hard to describe what was taking place. So we
Speaker 1: hear she said, we were all complicit because we just.
Speaker 2: Watched it and the ratings were good, and they kept
Speaker 2: getting rid of it.
Speaker 1: Four or five seasons of that show.
Speaker 2: Nobody called him out on it.
Speaker 1: He was the king of New York at the time.
Speaker 1: And just so I think back to that show and
Speaker 1: maybe it might be out there somewhere, still streaming somewhere.
Speaker 1: I would be curious to what people think about it.
Speaker 2: If you watch it now back and see in the
Speaker 2: context in which you know what was actually happening behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. When the cameras turned off or different cameras
Speaker 2: turned off. Perhaps I should say, but I think that
Speaker 2: might be eye opening for a lot of folks. I
Speaker 2: would definitely be willing to watch it now knowing what
Speaker 2: we've heard.
Speaker 1: What else came out here, this was interesting. Frank Black
Speaker 1: was his alias when he checked into hotels. A lot
Speaker 1: of people hear that and go oh, we do that.
Speaker 1: Other people who are fans of his music over the years,
Speaker 1: in particularly Notorious Big, will hear that and go oh okay.
Speaker 1: Frank White was an alias that Notorious Big used in
Speaker 1: all of his albums. Frank White was a character from
Speaker 1: a gangster movie called King of New York, so he
Speaker 1: was calling himself the King of New York by calling
Speaker 1: him Frank himself Frank White in his his music. So
Speaker 1: now Diddy as an alias when he checks in uses
Speaker 1: Frank Black. It's not that creative, but you get it.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that context because I knew none of
Speaker 2: the above. So that is interesting, especially for people who
Speaker 2: have nothing to base anything on. I did not know.
Speaker 2: So anyway, the trial is going on right now. The
Speaker 2: government right now said they have their planning for five
Speaker 2: witnesses to take the stand today, and that includes the
Speaker 2: one we're all kind of waiting for Kid Cutty Rapper,
Speaker 2: who we've heard from Cassie Ventur. She was dating him
Speaker 2: for a while at the same time she was doing
Speaker 2: freak offs with Diddy, So this was a source of
Speaker 2: rage and jealousy between the two. And I'm sure Kid
Speaker 2: Cutty has perhaps a few things to say. He didn't
Speaker 2: want to testify either. None of these folks wanted to testify.
Speaker 1: Nothing with this world and this guy nothing.
Speaker 2: But they are being paraded now in a Manhattan federal courtroom,
Speaker 2: and frankly, I can just speak for myself personally, I
Speaker 2: cannot wait to hear what he.
Speaker 1: Has to And he's the one who's who had his
Speaker 1: h an explosion of some kind in his car after
Speaker 1: did he made a threat about possibly his car blowing up.
Speaker 1: Now we talked about earlier robes did see this detail
Speaker 1: as well, like how the lawyers having sidebars and how
Speaker 1: important is every little detail They have already had a
Speaker 1: debate whether or not Kid cutting can talk about the
Speaker 1: impact that explosion had on his dog because they're afraid
Speaker 1: that there might be pet owners in the jury who
Speaker 1: might be sympathetic to something is that not why this is?
Speaker 2: That speaks to what they're dealing with, and it could
Speaker 2: be something as simple as that that could change it
Speaker 2: ROR's mind.
Speaker 1: That's what's at stake. This guy's life is on the line,
Speaker 1: and it's all of that is at stake. So, folks,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you continuing to listen, and you all it
Speaker 1: seems robes, folks seem to be curious. We have been
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on. We would have stopped doing this
Speaker 1: if nobody was listening. So no, we know you all
Speaker 1: are are listening and apparently somebody appreciating it, So we
Speaker 1: thank you for listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a wonderful day today, and keep on
Speaker 2: listening because we're going to keep on telling you what
Speaker 2: happened each day in the Didy trial. Have a wonderful Thursday, everyone,