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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, welcome back to another episode of the Break
Speaker 7: presented by l G and we are here with Nick
Speaker 7: and Brian. How are you guys feeling? Tomorrow is the
Speaker 7: official start of the NFL Draft. I know you guys
Speaker 7: are have been working for months for this draft.
Speaker 2: How are we feel today? Feeling spacey? If you will?
Speaker 2: We almost had a disaster.
Speaker 4: I was telling these guys before we got on the show,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna work from home individual now. And so I've
Speaker 4: found that I cannot actually work from home. So I
Speaker 4: go to a coffee shop nearby and I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm gonna get started about ten am
Speaker 4: this morning. I got a lot of things to do today,
Speaker 4: get ready for the draft tomorrow. So I'm on my
Speaker 4: way to the coffee shop and I get the little
Speaker 4: email notification from Chris Beam that the break is starting
Speaker 4: in thirty minutes. I was like, oh, yeah, today is Wednesday.
Speaker 4: I do have a show every Wednesday at ten am,
Speaker 4: and I've had it for the last year.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I made it.
Speaker 4: So I'm in a hoodie sweatpants, but I am here
Speaker 4: technically working from home at the moment.
Speaker 7: Well, we're glad you made it. I would have seen
Speaker 7: Derek fuming with all right, well, let's get started. We're
Speaker 7: gonna just wrap up everything pre draft, talk about while
Speaker 7: you guys are expecting, who are your final top guys
Speaker 7: and names that you're looking at as of today. And
Speaker 7: before we get started with that, yesterday there was the
Speaker 7: famous annual pre draft conference, that press conference at the
Speaker 7: Cowboys hold. It was Will McClay, Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones,
Speaker 7: and Brian Schottenheimer speaking to the media. And while that
Speaker 7: was happening, I wanted to bring something that happened yesterday.
Speaker 7: We saw a sighting of Stephen Stephan Gilmour, former cornerback
Speaker 7: that played here with the Cowboys for a couple of years.
Speaker 7: I don't remember how long, just one year, just one year.
Speaker 7: And then that popped a lot of questions like, Okay,
Speaker 7: what is he doing here in the building? Are the
Speaker 7: Cowboys looking to sign the guy and bring him back?
Speaker 7: We know the need and necessity that the Cowboys are
Speaker 7: currently having at the cornerback position. So any reports on
Speaker 7: what's going on there, what is expected and why he
Speaker 7: was here in the building.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Cowboys didn't know. So there's a lot of
Speaker 4: things that happen here in the Star. There's businesses on
Speaker 4: the other side. There's probably a good chance.
Speaker 7: That is it one of those quote unquote didn't know.
Speaker 2: Who knows?
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't feel like digging enough to figure
Speaker 4: out the meeting of that. But regardless, the Cowboys did
Speaker 4: not have a meeting with him yesterday. If they did,
Speaker 4: they wouldn't have scheduled it during the press conference. So no,
Speaker 4: I could Stefan Gilmore, you know, stumble his way back
Speaker 4: in here, maybe, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that, you know, Gilmore having played here,
Speaker 8: he knows the building, he knows who the player a
Speaker 8: lot is. Even if he came in for an official visit,
Speaker 8: they wouldn't let him walk through the front door. Everybody's right,
Speaker 8: Nick's right, talking about just across the way. There are
Speaker 8: a lot of businesses here. He might have had a
Speaker 8: meeting with somebody about, you know, something he's doing off
Speaker 8: the field, and so that would be I think, what
Speaker 8: would bring him here. But yeah, the player entrance is
Speaker 8: completely different from the main entrance, and then he would
Speaker 8: probably be walking with somebody. If he came in for
Speaker 8: say a physical, for a workout, he would leave from
Speaker 8: a different entrance. And then so that to me, I
Speaker 8: think was just him probably you know, coming home, coming
Speaker 8: by doing some business. And then it kind of ended
Speaker 8: up that everybody happened to be in the media room,
Speaker 8: which is right there off the age room. It's completely glass,
Speaker 8: so you can see people coming and going, and I
Speaker 8: just think the our media got an eye full of
Speaker 8: a former cornerback here and had to scramble around a
Speaker 8: little bit to kind of figure that out.
Speaker 7: And then from those conversations that happened yesterday, there's still
Speaker 7: a lot of talks and questions about whether or not
Speaker 7: the Cowboys are willing to trade and trade conversations. Are
Speaker 7: they willing to trade up back and get some more picks?
Speaker 7: How are you guys currently feeling in that regards? We
Speaker 7: know based on history, like Jerry Jones, is not afraid
Speaker 7: of making any kind of trade. And this off season
Speaker 7: during free agency, we've seen a lot more trades happening
Speaker 7: that the Cowboys half made for veteran to add to
Speaker 7: their roster. How are you guys feeling about heading into
Speaker 7: the draft? Are you guys expecting a trade to happen?
Speaker 4: I think if one is there, it certainly could be
Speaker 4: on the table for them. I think this team wants
Speaker 4: to trade back from fifteen and acquire some more capital,
Speaker 4: or excuse me, trade back from twelve to acquire some
Speaker 4: more capital. Fifteen happens to be an option for them,
Speaker 4: I think to Atlanta, huh Atlanta. Yeah, Atlanta doesn't have
Speaker 4: many picks, but they're looking to come up. So I
Speaker 4: don't know if that would factor in future picks or
Speaker 4: whatever else, but Cowboys need picks this year, you know.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at Atlanta at fifteen, Seattle at eighteen, Denver
Speaker 4: at twenty, and Houston at twenty five. I think those
Speaker 4: are some opportunities that could potentially, you know, present themselves
Speaker 4: to jump up. Even the Chiefs all the way back
Speaker 4: in the back end of the first round. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: be surprised if they pony up some major capital to
Speaker 4: come up and take an offensive lineman if one slips.
Speaker 4: But you know, obviously this team could use an extra
Speaker 4: Day two pick a lot like it was last year.
Speaker 4: And if that phone rings, then sure Jerry will pick
Speaker 4: it up and see what the offer looks like. But
Speaker 4: also another thing to factor in is there are not
Speaker 4: a lot of teams looking to trade up this year necessarily,
Speaker 4: and there are a lot looking to trade back. How
Speaker 4: does that affect the market? You might not get the
Speaker 4: value for your pick. We've talked about it on the
Speaker 4: Draft Show, Brian has mentioned it. You know, you want
Speaker 4: to get that value for your pick. There was a
Speaker 4: report that came out this morning that a lot of
Speaker 4: these Draft day first round type trades are being offered
Speaker 4: for about seventy sits on the dollar, and so you
Speaker 4: want you want value for that pick if you are
Speaker 4: moving back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's a couple of different things that
Speaker 8: we can focus on. And Nick took the draft route
Speaker 8: of far as tradings and Jerry Jones mentioned it yesterday
Speaker 8: and we've been pretty adamant about that throughout. Whether all
Speaker 8: the platforms were on the Joneses are not interested in
Speaker 8: picking up the phone. They're only interested in picking up
Speaker 8: the phone if in fact that someone is calling them.
Speaker 8: And I sat in that war room with them for
Speaker 8: six years and kind of always we're thinking, well, maybe
Speaker 8: we should be a little bit more here, maybe we
Speaker 8: should try and do that. But they're pretty much set
Speaker 8: on if they're if the phone is you're calling them,
Speaker 8: they're willing to deal with you. They're not really interested
Speaker 8: in calling you and trying to not get value for
Speaker 8: their pick. So that's something that Jerry Jones was really
Speaker 8: adamant about, and it's just again something that we've talked
Speaker 8: about a bunch before. He even said that the cowboys
Speaker 8: are interested in you know, you call them, they're not
Speaker 8: going to call you. Now, let's focus on the other
Speaker 8: end of it. You know, they were talking about substantial
Speaker 8: names or potential names that could be trading. I have
Speaker 8: a group of gang of seven that I like to
Speaker 8: call around the league, some general managers, some directors of
Speaker 8: player personnel who live and die this with these these
Speaker 8: moves every day names I started to hear about and listen,
Speaker 8: these are kind of cowboys fits.
Speaker 3: Will they do these names?
Speaker 8: I don't know, but these are names that my gang
Speaker 8: of seven was talking about available players.
Speaker 3: Jy R.
Speaker 8: Alexander from the Green Bay Packers, we're talking about him.
Speaker 8: Jalen Ramsey was a name that was mentioned as well
Speaker 8: as the guy that you could absolutely have, Travis ATM
Speaker 8: the running back was a name that was mentioned here.
Speaker 8: George Pickens was a name also from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 8: And then also Jamison Wilson excuse me, Jamison Williams of
Speaker 8: the Detroit Lions, and I was hearing that he was
Speaker 8: available for like a third round pick. So those are names. Now,
Speaker 8: will the Cowboys do that? Jerry talked about, you know
Speaker 8: in the walk off. I believe Nick even tweeted about it,
Speaker 8: you know, talking about that the Cowboys were looking at
Speaker 8: some possibilities of making some moves.
Speaker 3: Well it happened. We'll see.
Speaker 8: But these are the types of names right now that
Speaker 8: are being floated in the market.
Speaker 7: Well as far as and I know it's probably unlikely.
Speaker 7: How Nick just said that the Cowboys would trade up,
Speaker 7: But is there a player that you would trade up for?
Speaker 7: In how high did you guys go?
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, it would only be if Travis
Speaker 4: Hunter somehow slips to like seven or eight other than that,
Speaker 4: I'm not trading up in this draft. I don't think
Speaker 4: this team has any business doing.
Speaker 8: So, Yeah, I think the one player we were trying
Speaker 8: to in some of our again platforms that we've had,
Speaker 8: we've tried to think about, you know, Travis Hunter for
Speaker 8: a lot of us, was you know, is the number
Speaker 8: one player on our board. If you stack your board
Speaker 8: one to one P fifty, he would likely be number
Speaker 8: one on a lot of boards. And so if in
Speaker 8: fact that he and right now he's not going to
Speaker 8: go one overall, now he probably can go too.
Speaker 3: But what if he were to get to.
Speaker 8: The Giants at three? What if he was to get
Speaker 8: to New England at four, would you then consider moving
Speaker 8: up to you know, go that And the way that
Speaker 8: Nick is kind of talking about this that moving up
Speaker 8: might not be as as harsh as we've seen in
Speaker 8: the past, and so teams might be willing to come
Speaker 8: out of there. But again, you want value for your pick.
Speaker 8: Travis Hunter would be the one guy that I agree
Speaker 8: with Nick on that that I think that I would
Speaker 8: would probably try and trade up for if that was
Speaker 8: the case. If he got into that range where it
Speaker 8: was very where it was manageable, for you.
Speaker 7: Okay, Now let's jump into a bunch of random questions
Speaker 7: about the draft. Is there a position that you guys
Speaker 7: will walk out of the draft feeling like, and I'm
Speaker 7: speaking on day one, first round, that if the Cowboys
Speaker 7: were to see like this position specifically, you guys would
Speaker 7: be like.
Speaker 2: What are we doing here?
Speaker 3: What is going on?
Speaker 7: Or would you feel that at that position you pretty
Speaker 7: much hit it, hit the nail in the head with whoever.
Speaker 8: You pick, Nick, I'll take this one because if you
Speaker 8: look at in this morning, Peter Schrager from ESPN, who's
Speaker 8: a very respected insider around the league.
Speaker 3: He was with the you know, with.
Speaker 8: The with the the league, you know, with their television
Speaker 8: program and stuff like that, the NFL that working things,
Speaker 8: so very respected guy put out a mock draft today
Speaker 8: where he had Mason Graham, the defensive tackle from Michigan,
Speaker 8: going all the way past the Cowboys to thirteen, so
Speaker 8: you know, and then the Cowboys were taking Tyler Booker
Speaker 8: with McMillan also being on the board. It kind of
Speaker 8: threw me for a loop a little bit there. But
Speaker 8: if all of a sudden you're in a situation now, Nick,
Speaker 8: I'll ask you this question too.
Speaker 3: Would you feel.
Speaker 8: Good about Mason Graham being that he's like a three
Speaker 8: technique but could play the one technique with you signing
Speaker 8: OsO DIGGI zuwell, would you feel that that's a good
Speaker 8: pick for the Cowboys to do? And I also throw
Speaker 8: Walter Nolan in that group as well. Where is three
Speaker 8: technique now out of question for this football team with
Speaker 8: what the additions like, I say, the signing of Osa
Speaker 8: Solomon Thomas coming on board. Are you out of the
Speaker 8: three technique business?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think if it's a way where Mason Graham is
Speaker 4: there for you at twelve, then I think that phone's
Speaker 4: going to be ringing a lot more and you have
Speaker 4: something pretty to dangle in front of them rather than
Speaker 4: potentially getting seventy cents on the dollar.
Speaker 2: I don't see a need.
Speaker 3: I don't believe so.
Speaker 4: And I don't see a need for Mason Graham on
Speaker 4: this team. I would see a need potentially, even if
Speaker 4: this means trading back to where you don't have any
Speaker 4: first round grades anymore and you're at twenty, I think
Speaker 4: that would be worth it to pick up an extra
Speaker 4: pick in this sense.
Speaker 8: Okay, so you would feel like the me personally, I
Speaker 8: don't think that the one position that I kind of
Speaker 8: felt that and that's why I brought up the defensive
Speaker 8: tackles was because I kind of feel like, unless it's
Speaker 8: a one technique, but I don't see them taking a
Speaker 8: one technique unless you want to play Mason Graham, who
Speaker 8: could play the one. I mean, he lost a ton
Speaker 8: of weight to you know, there were questions about him
Speaker 8: at the combine that you know, his his workout was
Speaker 8: not going to look good and there were so he
Speaker 8: lost a ton of weight to try and make himself
Speaker 8: more agile, more you know, flexible in all those things.
Speaker 8: But when he plays like a three hundred and twenty pounds,
Speaker 8: which we had him, you know, he's kind of a
Speaker 8: different player that way. So maybe that was thinking he's
Speaker 8: a one, but with a little bit of a lighter guy,
Speaker 8: he would probably be a three. But do you think
Speaker 8: he can be a one? He would be really it'd
Speaker 8: be incredible to have him next to Osa, But do
Speaker 8: you feel that's the way? I just think tackle might
Speaker 8: be that position where I kind of feel that might
Speaker 8: be a little bit of an issue there.
Speaker 4: I mean, he does have some mental attributes that I
Speaker 4: think would work at the one he's he's got high IQ,
Speaker 4: he's got a high motor. I think he's got some
Speaker 4: game traits as well. He's flexible, he gets low. You're
Speaker 4: talking about low man winning in that interior. He does
Speaker 4: get low, and I think he'd be able to still
Speaker 4: get low against shorter centers if that's the case. He
Speaker 4: didn't face a ton of double teams last year, so
Speaker 4: he was lined up one on one with guys a
Speaker 4: lot quite a bit. He would have to battle that,
Speaker 4: especially if he had to make a position change to
Speaker 4: the one tech.
Speaker 2: But I think he's quick enough it would it would
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 4: I mean, this was a heavyweight wrestling champion back in
Speaker 4: high school at Anaheim Survid High School. Oddly enough, we
Speaker 4: graduated high school with Heteroa McMillan. So I think it
Speaker 4: would be a fascinating, you know, decision to make between
Speaker 4: two survey guys.
Speaker 2: I think that would be fascinating.
Speaker 7: All right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 7: we'll keep talking about the drafting. Give out some more names.
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Speaker 7: Okay, let's move on to we've there's a group of
Speaker 7: guys and these are the names that we keep hearing about. Popular,
Speaker 7: most popular names and most likely to be picked by
Speaker 7: the Dallas Cowboys in the first round. But my question, sorry,
Speaker 7: my question to you guys, is who's a prospect that
Speaker 7: you're lower on on than most someone that a lot
Speaker 7: of people have been talking about, but you don't grade
Speaker 7: them as high as the main like the popular opinion.
Speaker 2: Or the general push taking it like first round type guys.
Speaker 7: Yes, or you know if I mean that's the easiest
Speaker 7: one because it's harder to get into those later rounds.
Speaker 7: But if there's a guy that you have in mind,
Speaker 7: feel free to throw it out there, which you.
Speaker 3: Got, Brian.
Speaker 8: I think that I'm a lot lower and I think
Speaker 8: the guys are really good player and I picked him
Speaker 8: yesterday and our mock draft that when we were asked
Speaker 8: on the Draft Show, three guys. I put myself in
Speaker 8: a position, what would the Dallas Cowboys do if McMillan's
Speaker 8: not there, who would they consider? I'm lower on Will
Speaker 8: Johnson than most. I have Will Johnson as my twenty
Speaker 8: fifth best player on my board, of my of my stack.
Speaker 8: Still that's a second round grade. I personally just like
Speaker 8: guys like ravel Baron Morrison who worked out Notre Dame,
Speaker 8: who worked out yes Day. You know they got that
Speaker 8: information about him. I just like those guys a little
Speaker 8: bit better. But the question was asked, and I appreciate
Speaker 8: Kyle Yeomen's doing this was he asked the questions about
Speaker 8: length and what that means to evaluators here, and it's
Speaker 8: important for them, and you know they talk about that.
Speaker 8: But I think that I'm probably at twenty five, a
Speaker 8: little bit lower on Will Johnson than maybe some other
Speaker 8: people in this league. I think some people have him
Speaker 8: in the top fifteen. I just have guys better. If
Speaker 8: he's selected, though, this guy is a really good football player,
Speaker 8: But like I said, have others above him right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to go with a defensive tackle, Walter
Speaker 4: Nolan out of Ole Miss. This is a guy that's
Speaker 4: gotten a lot of first round love and has even
Speaker 4: been one of the five hundred and thirty seven names
Speaker 4: thrown around for potentials for the Cowboys to pick at twelve.
Speaker 2: I have a third round grandt on Walter Nolan.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a lot of motor and Walter
Speaker 4: Nolan now that he does have lower body strength and
Speaker 4: that translates into explosiveness off the line, and he's got
Speaker 4: the ability to create leverage. I mean, this is still
Speaker 4: a good player. He's a shore tackler. He combines athleticism
Speaker 4: with some upper body strength to be a shore tackler.
Speaker 4: But he kind of sputtered out of the gates at
Speaker 4: Texas A and M as a number one overall recruit.
Speaker 4: There's questions from his time in college station does this
Speaker 4: guy love football? He doesn't get rave character reviews all
Speaker 4: the way back to his high school days.
Speaker 2: He's been to six different schools in the last eight years.
Speaker 4: Going all the way back to his high school days
Speaker 4: and even middle school days too, So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just think there are better defensive tackles in this class.
Speaker 4: He's my DT seven. I have a third round grade
Speaker 4: on him, and actually have him behind some guys in
Speaker 4: the third round, So that's probably one.
Speaker 7: Well, let's switch the question and change it up a
Speaker 7: little bit. What's the sneaky Day two or Day three
Speaker 7: name that Cowboys fans should know about them? Potentially not
Speaker 7: many people are talking about, but you guys have grated
Speaker 7: them a little higher.
Speaker 2: Man putting us on the spot here, you think.
Speaker 8: Would you would you look at the running backs? I
Speaker 8: know we've talked about a lot of different running backs,
Speaker 8: but the name that keeps popping up, and he's a
Speaker 8: really good player, is our running back from Virginia Tech.
Speaker 2: Absolutely to a lot of people have talked about Touton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but have they talked about him Dave?
Speaker 8: I think we've talked about him more as a third
Speaker 8: round guy, but there seems to be some buzz about
Speaker 8: him being a second round guy.
Speaker 2: Gotcha?
Speaker 3: That that that to me? Like I said, I I
Speaker 3: would see.
Speaker 8: Him more as a third I yesterday again in our
Speaker 8: mock draft for the draft show, I picked Henderson. Now,
Speaker 8: do I think Henderson's going to be there? Probably not,
Speaker 8: But you know, I'm going to take a chance that
Speaker 8: maybe that he gets through to you at forty four.
Speaker 8: That would I would absolutely love, But I think when
Speaker 8: you start that there's been other names that we've talked about,
Speaker 8: and the Cowboys brought him in then for a thirty visit,
Speaker 8: and you know, this is to get to know this guy.
Speaker 8: On my book, he's kind of in that that slotted
Speaker 8: with Sampson from Tennessee and guys like that is a
Speaker 8: third round guy. Could he get taken at forty four?
Speaker 8: Absolutely that you know that that's again that might be
Speaker 8: guy I have a little bit lower on my board,
Speaker 8: but I could see the Cowboys absolutely taking him at
Speaker 8: a guy a lot maybe around earlier than what I
Speaker 8: would take him.
Speaker 2: Again, you're kind of putting me on the spot here.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Now you're all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go with Fidel Diggs. Ed Drusher out of Syracuse six
Speaker 4: four two fifty seven originally began his career at Texas
Speaker 4: A and M. He's a versatile guy. He's He's played
Speaker 4: up and down the line. He's even played some snaps
Speaker 4: in the box too. He played almost twenty five percent
Speaker 4: of his snaps off the ball last year. He can
Speaker 4: do a lot of different things for a defense. He's
Speaker 4: a defensive chess piece. I have a late third round
Speaker 4: grade on him. I think this will be a guy
Speaker 4: that's available on Day three and it could certainly make
Speaker 4: sense for a team like this that is definitely hunting
Speaker 4: down a bigger set type of edge. And if they
Speaker 4: don't get that guy in the first couple of days,
Speaker 4: I think Fidel Digs makes a lot of sense if
Speaker 4: he's there in the fifth.
Speaker 7: And I know, when you guys are looking at the
Speaker 7: draft for so long or looking at all these college
Speaker 7: players and prospects, sometimes you end up falling in love
Speaker 7: with somebody, with a player that you really really like.
Speaker 7: And it doesn't necessarily mean a first round grade. It's
Speaker 7: somebody that you just see a lot of potential. And
Speaker 7: I was trying to google the word, but is it?
Speaker 2: Is it pet cat or Okay?
Speaker 4: I could not two words, but yes, you're right, pet cat,
Speaker 4: pet cat?
Speaker 2: Two words? Okay. I was cooling.
Speaker 7: It was started showing MRIs and cat scans. I'm like,
Speaker 7: what is going on? But who would you say? Who's
Speaker 7: the name the guy that would be your pet cat.
Speaker 6: For this year?
Speaker 2: In this draft?
Speaker 4: Oh man, I feel like I feel like this is
Speaker 4: the second year in a row that I've had a
Speaker 4: running back as my cat and I know we just
Speaker 4: brought him up Big schol Tooton out of Virginia Tech.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's He's been a guy that I've ridden
Speaker 4: with throughout this draft process, and I know I've I've
Speaker 4: mentioned quite a few running backs that I love, but
Speaker 4: He's He's certainly one I think I would take. And
Speaker 4: I'll just give you another one on the other side
Speaker 4: of the ball, just for twots and giggles, if you will,
Speaker 4: to see what I did there. I like Riley Mills,
Speaker 4: defensive tackle out of Notre Dame. Not necessarily for this team,
Speaker 4: but just in general. He's a three tech that played
Speaker 4: for Notre Dame last year. He got hurt towards the
Speaker 4: end of the season, so you didn't see him in
Speaker 4: the College Football Playoff, which is unfortunate. But he has
Speaker 4: three tech five tech versatility. I think he has rare
Speaker 4: strength at six five two ninety six. He's athletic. His
Speaker 4: pass rush begins with his hands and he gets into
Speaker 4: the backfield. Had seven and a half sacks in twelve
Speaker 4: games last year. Coming out of the defensive interior. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of pass rush upside. There are teams that
Speaker 4: look for these pass rushing interior defenders that can create
Speaker 4: some trouble from the interior to open up their edge
Speaker 4: rush guys. I think Riley Mills would be that type
Speaker 4: of talent. He's he's been a guy that I've really
Speaker 4: fallen in love with over the course of the last
Speaker 4: month or so.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think my guy would be Carson Swezinger from UCLA,
Speaker 8: the linebacker. I absolutely love the way that he plays.
Speaker 8: You know, you're you're watching this guy and he was,
Speaker 8: you know, in two hundred and twenty pound range. He's
Speaker 8: bulked up a little bit to two forty two at
Speaker 8: the combine, but he's he's kind of a throwback in
Speaker 8: the way he plays. I mean he doesn't he didn't
Speaker 8: at the time when you're watching the tape. He didn't
Speaker 8: have really true bulk. His instincts, his toughness as a
Speaker 8: run defender is really really good. He could play down hill,
Speaker 8: he tackles well, you know, and you watch him play,
Speaker 8: he can play and coverage, he could blitz. There's some
Speaker 8: complete elements to his game as a linebacker. And you know,
Speaker 8: maybe the Cowboys were a year or a draft early
Speaker 8: with with taking you know, taking their Notre Dame linebacker
Speaker 8: last year, I think this would have been a guy
Speaker 8: that new look at Carson Sweazer term. For me, I
Speaker 8: fell in love with the game. I couldn't believe a
Speaker 8: guy that was playing at two hundred and twenty pounds
Speaker 8: played with the physicality and the instincts and the downhill.
Speaker 3: Ability that this kid had.
Speaker 8: He went from like being a guy that not maybe
Speaker 8: not many were talking about, maybe a third round guy.
Speaker 8: He's going to probably get taken in the second round early.
Speaker 8: But just because of the things that I talked about,
Speaker 8: the traits, I.
Speaker 4: Got to throw another one out there. This is probably
Speaker 4: outside of the top twenty. This is probably my favorite
Speaker 4: player in the class. Is Maxwell Harrison Corner out of Kentucky. Yeah, speed, acceleration, physicality,
Speaker 4: ballhawk ability, it's all there. He's got a slender build,
Speaker 4: but he's a solid tackler, and I think there's more
Speaker 4: room to fill out his frame with that center build.
Speaker 4: Slender build, but he can still play the run effectively
Speaker 4: as well. He's a guy that I think if he
Speaker 4: slipped to forty four, it'd be tough for this team
Speaker 4: to pass on. I don't see it happening, but man,
Speaker 4: this is a really talented player. I think is gonna
Speaker 4: start Day one.
Speaker 8: Wherever you land, he's they're talking about him now like
Speaker 8: as a first round guy, like the back end in
Speaker 8: the fact of the first round. Amber, I know you
Speaker 8: probably have another question if Nick's gonna if Nick's gonna
Speaker 8: throw throw more guys in there. Uh le Quintin Allen
Speaker 8: from Syracuse. And if you watch him play, there's some
Speaker 8: violence to his game. He's a he's a running back
Speaker 8: that when he takes that the handoff, he is going
Speaker 8: north south in a hurry. And he is a guy
Speaker 8: that when I always say this about a runner and
Speaker 8: it's gonna he does not really make anybody miss. He
Speaker 8: is going to run until he hears glass break. That's
Speaker 8: how he just his style is he's just just kind
Speaker 8: of just gonna run into people, run over people, bounce
Speaker 8: off people. He's super tough. He doesn't he doesn't, you know,
Speaker 8: with all the carries.
Speaker 3: And that he has.
Speaker 8: You know, they say, well, he's put the ball on
Speaker 8: the ground a little bit, but all of it has
Speaker 8: been really because of second and third contact with him,
Speaker 8: He's always fighting for extra yards. He's tough around the
Speaker 8: goal line, and he catches the ball really really well.
Speaker 8: So here's a guy that kind of like Smith from
Speaker 8: SCMU at running back who is a converted wide receiver
Speaker 8: to running back. You're looking for these running backs that
Speaker 8: have the ability to catch the football. Really kind of
Speaker 8: the opposite of what Tooton, who we talked about earlier though,
Speaker 8: Virginia Tech's offense really not getting the running back into
Speaker 8: the passing game like say the SMU and then Syracuse.
Speaker 3: But my man, he is a tough, tough, tough guy.
Speaker 7: Let's go ahead and go to our final break. When
Speaker 7: we come back, I have a bunch of fill in
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Speaker 7: Okay, let's get right into it. Fill in the blank
Speaker 7: type of questions. If Dallas doesn't draft A or N
Speaker 7: by day two, we've got a problem.
Speaker 2: Corner corner is it for me?
Speaker 4: It would This team has a very glaring red light
Speaker 4: at corner I think, bigger than any other position. They
Speaker 4: only have one starter that's ready to go to start
Speaker 4: the year. I mean, there's confidence in this building about
Speaker 4: kaye Elam, but kyer Elam also hasn't touched the field
Speaker 4: for this team yet, so.
Speaker 2: They got to get a corner on the first two days.
Speaker 3: About one technique looking at that at all.
Speaker 2: More than a receiver, I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, there's there's two positions. I really think.
Speaker 8: I think they probably feel like that they could play
Speaker 8: with the receivers they have, But me personally, I would
Speaker 8: think runner. I mean, I know this running back group
Speaker 8: is deep, but I'm trying to get I'm trying to
Speaker 8: get that to me, what I on my board would
Speaker 8: be the upper echelon type of backs.
Speaker 3: I think there's some good backs.
Speaker 8: But I think there's three positions you could look at
Speaker 8: and say, you know, Nick's right about the corner, but
Speaker 8: the one technique running back and corner would be you know,
Speaker 8: I think that would be the the three that I
Speaker 8: would look at. But for sure that that that one
Speaker 8: technique is is kind of a scary thing right now.
Speaker 4: One caveat in this whole ordeal, especially when you factor
Speaker 4: in the glaring needs going into the first two days,
Speaker 4: is that all of our boards just kind of got
Speaker 4: blown up yesterday when Jerry said that they were working
Speaker 4: on two substantive trades, because that that could factor in
Speaker 4: at any position. And if they go into day three,
Speaker 4: say without a receiver, without a corner, you know, who's
Speaker 4: to say that they aren't working on something to fill
Speaker 4: that need on the back end. I'm not confident that
Speaker 4: it would be for more than like a fifth or
Speaker 4: sixth round pick, and it would be another kayr Elam
Speaker 4: type of addition, but maybe just kind of rational.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not substantial.
Speaker 8: I mean, giving giving up a giving up a day,
Speaker 8: a Day two pick that that would be substantial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 7: The position that will define this draft class for the
Speaker 7: Cowboys is.
Speaker 2: The position probably probably the running back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can make up case for the receiver, especially
Speaker 4: if that receiver gets taken in the first round. But
Speaker 4: if you know, based on what Brian Schottenheimer said in
Speaker 4: Florida about the identity of this team, he wants to
Speaker 4: be physical, he wants to run the football. The additions
Speaker 4: that they've made on the offensive side of the ball
Speaker 4: to help run the football. Uh, this running back that
Speaker 4: gets drafted to this team, whether it be first, second, third, fourth, fifth, whatever,
Speaker 4: he is going to be a future part of this offense.
Speaker 4: And uh, it's it's like Ezekiel Elliott in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: I know he was the fourth overall pick. It's much different.
Speaker 4: But even in a draft class with Dak Prescott, he
Speaker 4: was the identity of that draft class. And you know
Speaker 4: it's going to it's going to be a similar type
Speaker 4: field this year. There's gonna be a lot of eyes
Speaker 4: on whoever that running back is that comes in.
Speaker 8: Cowboy's got a real big dose of reality last year
Speaker 8: when they not went the running backs that they went against.
Speaker 8: When you talk about Henry and then you talk about
Speaker 8: Saquon Barkley, and Jerry even mentioned that that opened their
Speaker 8: eyes to what they need. So I think Nick's absolutely right.
Speaker 8: I think the running back here could very well define,
Speaker 8: you know, how this offense is going to be going forward.
Speaker 7: If we draft Blank, Cowboys, Twitter or X will melt.
Speaker 4: Down Johnson because of Brian No, it's I think, gosh,
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of actually, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of possibilities here interior offensive line.
Speaker 3: I think Tyler Booker would melt this thing down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if they took an interior offensive line
Speaker 4: and it would melt down on the planet.
Speaker 2: But even Tyler Booker, it would not be a bad pick. No,
Speaker 2: it's not meltdown worthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And to me though, it's you know, the thing of it,
Speaker 8: and like the thing you talked about with the Will
Speaker 8: Johnson stuff, you know, there's just a lot of questions
Speaker 8: about Will Johnson. You know, there's a lot of there's
Speaker 8: a lot of questions. I mean, I think we got
Speaker 8: some information about, you know, the injury history, and I
Speaker 8: think there's some teams around the league that I know
Speaker 8: I've talked to that are concerned about his injury history.
Speaker 8: But they see these players a lot different. They don't
Speaker 8: give a damn what Nick and I think. They really
Speaker 8: don't and so don't get mad at you know, if
Speaker 8: all of a sudden they take somebody that's you know,
Speaker 8: that we haven't talked about or we like, they don't care.
Speaker 8: So I'm not a I'm I've said this a thousand times.
Speaker 8: I'm a I like Will Johnson. I just have three
Speaker 8: cornerbacks above him that I like better.
Speaker 3: That's just me.
Speaker 8: That's that's my job. And so you know, if you
Speaker 8: want to melt down because it's something I said, well
Speaker 8: then you know that's on you. Yeah, exactly, don't know.
Speaker 8: You know, Will Johnson would be a fine player here.
Speaker 8: He absolutely would fit a need that they have. Cornerback
Speaker 8: is Nick's talked about is something that they have a
Speaker 8: lot of questions about right now.
Speaker 4: I think this team is star art not this team.
Speaker 4: This fan base is starved for a sexy first round pick.
Speaker 4: The last three have been in the trenches. It's been
Speaker 4: Tyler Smith and Monzie Smith and then Tyler Geiden this
Speaker 4: last year. I think this team is also again fan
Speaker 4: base is also just starved to have a flashy guy
Speaker 4: that they can look at at training camp and have
Speaker 4: some fun with selfishly training camp content purposes. Wise, I
Speaker 4: would love a sexy pick as well, because last year
Speaker 4: was very bad from a training camp content perspective. The
Speaker 4: first round pick was half hurt of the half of
Speaker 4: the camp as Ceedee Lamb was not present the entire time.
Speaker 4: It was bad for us going into like week two.
Speaker 7: Well, history has shown when we looked at all the
Speaker 7: drafts that the Cowys have had and correct me if
Speaker 7: I'm wrong, but typically in round two, in the second round,
Speaker 7: sometimes it's take risks with players that have kind of
Speaker 7: fallen down, whether because of whatever issue going on with
Speaker 7: them or typically injury wise or recovering from something. Are
Speaker 7: you are the Cowboys, I should say, in a position
Speaker 7: where they are able to take those kinds of risk
Speaker 7: looking more towards development in the future, or you absolutely
Speaker 7: need to make sure that everyone that you're taking is
Speaker 7: for someone that is able to make an impact, an
Speaker 7: immediate impact this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a fascinating question because I think if you
Speaker 4: look back on the last two picks that they've made
Speaker 4: in the first round Mozzie Smith, Tyler Guiden, I think
Speaker 4: either of us could have told you on draft night
Speaker 4: and probably did, is that, Hey, this is going to
Speaker 4: take some time. This is going to be some marinating
Speaker 4: and we've seen the you know struggles of those marinations,
Speaker 4: I guess over the course of the last two years
Speaker 4: with those two picks. And you know, those guys still
Speaker 4: have some time. But it's they have not played to
Speaker 4: the lovel a first round pick yet. And I know
Speaker 4: you were talking more so about you know, other rounds
Speaker 4: as well, but this team needs impact starters. They need
Speaker 4: an impact starter at receiver, running back, corner. I think
Speaker 4: they needed at one tech as well. Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: don't I understand the idea of draft and develop, and
Speaker 4: this team could certainly do it with a with a
Speaker 4: with a guy that doesn't have a lot of experience,
Speaker 4: but I think you should be hunting the experience in
Speaker 4: this class.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, to me, the possibility where they could
Speaker 8: maybe do some good and Nick correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 8: We mentioned corner, you know, could they could revel from
Speaker 8: from East Carolina? Could morson both first round guys on
Speaker 8: a lot of people's boards. Could they end up at
Speaker 8: forty four? Could they be those impact type players? Could
Speaker 8: you get a starter at forty four at corner, a
Speaker 8: guy that in my opinion, like I say, I know
Speaker 8: Morson probably not a first round great on your board,
Speaker 8: but on my board he is. But could they get
Speaker 8: a first round talent at corner because of having to
Speaker 8: deal with an injury or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's certainly a possibility. Revel would be a
Speaker 4: fun one and when he gets fully healthy, it'll be
Speaker 4: an impact player on this team. But you would have
Speaker 4: the same issue you had today if you did draft Revel,
Speaker 4: is the fact that you don't have three starting corners
Speaker 4: ready to go to start the season. You would almost
Speaker 4: certainly have to double divot corner later in the draft
Speaker 4: just to have another body there. But I think for
Speaker 4: the long term, a Revel guy could certainly work, and
Speaker 4: not only off the injury, but one year of starting
Speaker 4: experience in the American Athletic Conference, there's going to be
Speaker 4: a jumping competition for him.
Speaker 2: There's going to be some development there. But the upside
Speaker 2: is super super large.
Speaker 3: Well, as we begin to.
Speaker 7: Wrap up this conversation, we can always talk about what
Speaker 7: we prefer and what you guys like and all that,
Speaker 7: but looking at the through the lens of the Dallas
Speaker 7: Cowboys and what they typically do. What is the most
Speaker 7: Cowboys type pick in this draft? In what sense as
Speaker 7: far as player wise, what.
Speaker 3: Player bet fits the bill for how they usually draft?
Speaker 7: Yes, because usually they.
Speaker 2: You know what I think, I'm confused by the question.
Speaker 7: You always have you always have your pick, your guy
Speaker 7: that you like, but it's like it doesn't necessarily align
Speaker 7: with what the Cowboys would do necessarily. So that's what
Speaker 7: I'm saying. It's like, aside from your picks, you guys
Speaker 7: have given me guys that you like headed into this draft,
Speaker 7: but when you look at from their perspective and what
Speaker 7: they typically do, what is looking through their lens the
Speaker 7: type of player that they would be more tours picking.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because this is a guy that
Speaker 4: I think has been thrown around quite a bit, and
Speaker 4: you think about the success that the Cowboys have had
Speaker 4: in the first round on the offensive line. Yeah, over
Speaker 4: the course of the year, Josh Simmons kind of feels
Speaker 4: like a Cowboys type pick.
Speaker 8: I was, That's exactly who I was going to say.
Speaker 8: I was going to see if you were going to
Speaker 8: do it. But yeah, Josh Simmons from Ohio State, Uh,
Speaker 8: this is my favorite offensive lineman in the draft. I
Speaker 8: mean I have him as if you look at again
Speaker 8: at my stack, which is it's important to me. The
Speaker 8: Cowboys can care less about how I see these guys.
Speaker 8: But you know when you when you start to talk
Speaker 8: about this player, and I'll tell you I I'm in
Speaker 8: the top five when it comes to my uh my stack.
Speaker 8: So I think that much of this player and that
Speaker 8: would be a guide.
Speaker 3: To me that you know he has.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's coming off the patella. Okay, so you know
Speaker 8: we're talking about that whole thing with the knee. But
Speaker 8: you watch this guy play. There's a lot of questions
Speaker 8: about these offensive tackles.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of there's.
Speaker 8: Questions about Will Campbell Memboo, you know guys like that.
Speaker 8: There's questions about with Banks at Texas. To me, when
Speaker 8: you watch this guy play, if he did not get hurt,
Speaker 8: he'd be the first tackle taking off the board. We
Speaker 8: all these other guys at Campbell's and all, but you
Speaker 8: this this that would be very much a not not
Speaker 8: a pick that everybody's kind of worried about him maybe
Speaker 8: being healthy enough. But that's the kind of that that
Speaker 8: they look at, Well, maybe the guy's a little banged up,
Speaker 8: but here's the value this guy. You could hit on
Speaker 8: this with this player. But yeah, Josh Simmons would be
Speaker 8: that guy for me.
Speaker 4: I tell you, if this team did draft for Josh
Speaker 4: Simmons in the first round, there would be such a
Speaker 4: fascinating discussion to be had in that Thursday night press
Speaker 4: conference with Jerry Stephen and Will McClay and Brian Schottenneimer.
Speaker 4: It's like, what the hell are you gonna do with him?
Speaker 4: Because you have your left tackle that you drafted the.
Speaker 3: First claim it left tackle. I don't have your right
Speaker 3: I did not have time.
Speaker 4: It would they would basically have to say, hey, we're
Speaker 4: gonna have to give up on one of these tackles.
Speaker 2: I mean they would have to say.
Speaker 3: It, yeah, and you know what, and then you let
Speaker 3: him compete.
Speaker 8: You just move, you move, geton over to right tackle,
Speaker 8: and he competes with steel and then away you go.
Speaker 8: And if he's good enough to compete and he's able,
Speaker 8: he's one of maybe he wins the job, or maybe
Speaker 8: it gives you the flexibility where all of a sudden
Speaker 8: he comes with the attitude like Okay, I'm not gonna
Speaker 8: be I'm gonna work hard, I'm gonna do things.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do what they asked me to do. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be ready.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna you know, all the experiences that I ad
Speaker 8: in the past, I'm gonna put behind me and I'm
Speaker 8: gonna go forward. He could be that, or he could
Speaker 8: just kind of just keep the same type of attitude
Speaker 8: that he has right now and then not beat Steel
Speaker 8: out and then he could go on the uh go
Speaker 8: on and be a guy that we never talk about again.
Speaker 8: So to me, I like I said, I there's teams
Speaker 8: that I admire around football that like when when they
Speaker 8: make a pick and it doesn't work, they move on.
Speaker 8: They just do not hold on, They just move you.
Speaker 8: If you were to take Josh, if you were to
Speaker 8: take Josh Simmons, he's your starter at left tackle, and
Speaker 8: don't worry about it. Him and Smith on that left
Speaker 8: side would do just as I think, just as good
Speaker 8: as I like Jackson. Donovan Jackson in this draft from
Speaker 8: from Ohio State, who plays left guard next played left
Speaker 8: guard next to Simmons. There's reasons why when you watch
Speaker 8: Ohio State run the football that these guys are blocking
Speaker 8: and the and that and their running game is successful
Speaker 8: and the protection that Will Howard had to throw the
Speaker 8: football this year because of those two guys over there.
Speaker 8: You could get the same thing with Simmons and Smith
Speaker 8: on that left side for Dak Prescott and just a
Speaker 8: quick sidebar.
Speaker 4: It's it's funny, how how when you mentioned an Ohio
Speaker 4: State guy in this draft? How safe is typically on
Speaker 4: the back side of it. There are so many safe
Speaker 4: players that are wearing that Buckeye helmet from year. You
Speaker 4: talk about Josh Simmons, Well, yes, the injury, but I
Speaker 4: from what I know, I think the knee is not
Speaker 4: a concern for team. Josh Simmons, Donovan Jackson, a Mecha Buga,
Speaker 4: Trevon Henderson, j T. Tumolowow, and Quinn Shawn Judkins. I
Speaker 4: would qualify all those guys as safe. And they're all
Speaker 4: from Ohio State.
Speaker 3: There's reason why they won the national champions Do.
Speaker 2: You understand it?
Speaker 4: Whenever you start isolating these guys and seeing how dominant
Speaker 4: that they were last season, it's really impressive. And then
Speaker 4: they also had the best receiver in college football who's
Speaker 4: not draft eligible.
Speaker 7: Yea, our time is up, but super super fast. I
Speaker 7: have one last question because someone sent it in. This
Speaker 7: person was asking looking at this draft, and we typically
Speaker 7: know whether the Cowboys walk out with more defensive players
Speaker 7: or more offensive or kind of a good even balance
Speaker 7: between the two sides of ball. Which side do you
Speaker 7: guys think is going to be the most dominant one
Speaker 7: walking out of the draft, meaning which side is.
Speaker 2: Going to have the most picks?
Speaker 7: Defense?
Speaker 3: Offense, offense.
Speaker 8: I think they addressed in what they did in free agency,
Speaker 8: how they played it with the trades and stuff they made.
Speaker 8: Not to say that they're not going to draft any
Speaker 8: defensive players, but I think they're going to try and
Speaker 8: help their quarterback the best they can.
Speaker 4: I agree, And Schuttenheimer kind of mentioned it in his
Speaker 4: meeting in Florida. He was like, Yeah, if you look
Speaker 4: at our free agent moves, you would think we're a
Speaker 4: defensive minded team. But you think you have a defensive
Speaker 4: head coach. But he said, I'm going to get some
Speaker 4: help for this offensive side of the ball. I think
Speaker 4: it's the offense as well well.
Speaker 7: Tomorrow is the star of the NFL Draft, the Stars
Speaker 7: at seven Central time, and we also have the Draft
Speaker 7: show that's going to go on all through the draft. Obviously,
Speaker 7: but you guys start at what time? Six o'clock, six o'clock.
Speaker 7: Both of you are going to be there? Are you
Speaker 7: on the draft?
Speaker 2: Kind of in eirteen hours.
Speaker 7: I don't know how you guys do it, but tune
Speaker 7: in on dallascowboys dot com. These guys will be live
Speaker 7: one hour before the draft all the way through the draft,
Speaker 7: and what's cool, you guys get a lot of a
Speaker 7: chance to get interviews with a lot of these players
Speaker 7: are picked by the Cowboys, so that's always good to
Speaker 7: hear once you get a feel of their personality and
Speaker 7: their voices on there, anything else you guys want to
Speaker 7: say pre draft.
Speaker 4: Also on day three we'll be able to interview scouts
Speaker 4: and get some really good perspective from those guys going
Speaker 4: into day three and then before the picks are made.
Speaker 4: Chris Pine does a great job in the back of
Speaker 4: throwing up some war room footage for us and seeing
Speaker 4: what the debates are being like being had in the
Speaker 4: war room.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating time.
Speaker 4: It's a great weekend, and it's a weekend that everyone
Speaker 4: comes out of nine times out of ten is happy.
Speaker 4: So I say, let's have some fun this weekend again,
Speaker 4: happy and exhausted, but it's.
Speaker 2: Always a fun time, all right.
Speaker 7: Well, thank you guys so much for Nick Harris, Brian
Speaker 7: Brads I remember you're see how This has been the
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