1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: If you have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: do not miss the new docuseries on Oxygen. It's the 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: true story of a teen girl, a cheerleader in Mississippi 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: who is burned alive and the story of the man 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: accused of this heinous crime. Is that the right guy 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: on trial? Who is he? And who is Jessica Chambers? 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: And how does such a horrific crime occur? With more 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: questions than answers, this is the case that has captured 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: national headlines, taken over social media, and leaves a small 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: town divided. This is a must see TV event. It 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: features exclusive interviews that take you inside the investigation as 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: a search for answers and justice goes on. Unspeakable crime 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: The Killing of Jessica Chambers Saturdays at seven six Central 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: on Oxygen, the new network for crime crime stories. With 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. She confided a lot of things in me, 16 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: things about her marriage, the way things were going in 17 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: marriage situations, her plans to possibly get out of the marriage. 18 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: Her fear was that she would not get out the 19 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: marriage with her daughter. Everything she did was for her daughter. 20 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: We are talking about Sylvian think Losada, I mean Grace. 21 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, 22 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: joining me right now, John Limley, Crime online dot Com 23 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: investigative reporter John Limley. What happened? We're talking about sylvian 24 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: Fink Losato, not only a beloved mother but also a 25 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: beloved French teacher at Bruley High School. This is in 26 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: Metro Baton, Rouge. She's a native of Belgium that had 27 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: met and married her husband, oscar Lozado, and that very 28 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: same year, their daughter, Angelina came along. Sylvia Anne loved 29 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: her little family that she had helped create in the 30 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: United States, but she was also still quite devoted to 31 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: her family back in Belgium. She spoke with them every 32 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: single day, she didn't miss a day. That's why Sylviane's 33 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: mom became more and more concerned when she didn't hear 34 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: from her daughter. The last time the two spoke was 35 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: on July. Five days turns into weeks, and it was 36 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: not just Sylvianne's family that became worried, so were her friends, 37 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: her colleagues. So on July, Sylvianne's friend Karen Woolley contacted 38 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: police to file a missing person report. Well, what's amazing 39 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: to me? Let me introduce our all star lineup with me. 40 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter John Lemly joining me 41 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: from that jurisdiction defense attorney Renee Rockwell, medical examiner Dr 42 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: William Moroney, author of a new book American Narcan on Amazon, 43 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: cop turn PI Vincent Hill, and New York psychologist Lauren Howard. 44 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: So what I'm understanding is that this beautiful woman goes 45 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: missing and years past, years past, Well, I gotta tell 46 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: you in a when I found out that the husband 47 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: was suspected stolen coins. I mean, Renee Rockwell, do you 48 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: remember when we prosecuted together in Inner City Atlanta? While 49 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: I prosecuted, you defended and there was a woman whose 50 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: husband had quit her job and spent his life looking 51 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: for buried treasure and shipwrecks. Well, I mean at that minute, 52 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: right there, I would have divorced him in a New 53 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: York minute, but she stuck with him. Long story short, 54 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: here's the guy who is making a living apparently allegedly 55 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: off stolen coins. Nancy, that is not illegal, Oh, stolen 56 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: coins aren't illegal. You ever heard of theft by receiving 57 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: stolen property? Yes? But how are you gonna look at 58 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: a coin and say, ah, this coin is stolen. This 59 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with a homicide, Nancy. He's you're 60 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: kidding me, right, How do I tell if a coin 61 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: is stolen? For one thing, if it's a valuable coin, 62 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: coin collectors can look at it and tell you if 63 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: where it came. I mean, they know that it's been 64 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: reported stolen. And how are you gonna look at a 65 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: coin and say, oh, this coin looks stolen, therefore maybe 66 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: I need not buy it. He's got the possession of 67 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: a number of valuable coins. It's just like a gun, Mancy. 68 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: How are you gonna look at a gun and say 69 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: this gun looks stolen as opposed to a car that 70 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: might have a busted out window or a broken steering column. 71 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to do a little more than that 72 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: to put him under for some stolen coins. That is 73 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: not his problem, Mancy. He's got bigger problems. Well, you're 74 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: right about that. I'm just telling you. When I found out, 75 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: when she goes missing and I found out the husband 76 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: is all involved involved in the precious coin trade and 77 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: was suspected of stolen coins, I mean, right there, when 78 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: you look at a scenario, and we've learned this over 79 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: and over, you pick out who's most likely to have 80 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: done it. You pick out the nut. It's not typically 81 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: the normal person going along getting up every morning, going 82 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: to work, taking care of their family. It's the nut here. 83 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: After many, many long years, has the case been cracked. 84 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: According to East Baton Rouge Parish sheriff, said Gautreaux, this 85 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: was a prime ex apple of the fact that there 86 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: are no cold cases. Now correct me if I'm wrong 87 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: withn But isn't Baton Rouge your neck of the woods. 88 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: Nancy were born and bread and winter college in law school. 89 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: Let me go back to you. John Limley Crime Online 90 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. So how did this whole thing 91 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: go down? How did this beautiful mom go missing? To 92 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: start with? Well, we've learned through authorities that the next day, 93 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: after that last phone conversation that Sylviane had with her 94 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: mom in Belgium July five, the next day, her husband, 95 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: oscar Lozatto, who is an American and Venezuelan citizen, purchased 96 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: two tickets to Venezuela and then went to a home 97 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: improvement store with their daughter Angelina, where he bought, according 98 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: to the sales receipt, concrete buckets and luggage locks. Then 99 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: the two of them went to a pizza parlor. Uh. 100 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: The next day after that, he went back to the 101 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: store and bought six large plastic bins. Uh. That day 102 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: he also texted his boss that he'd be gone for 103 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: a few weeks for some medical procedure for surgery. The 104 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: next morning, he asked three people to go to his 105 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: house and start packing things up. Authorities say he was 106 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: in a hurry to leave town. Um. He even gave 107 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: one of them his SUV. You know to Dr William 108 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: Moroney right now, medical examiner and author of American Narcan 109 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: on Amazon, Right now, Dr Moroney. Uh, how many times 110 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: do killers wave their own red flag and make us 111 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: notice them? You know, when your wife goes missing and 112 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: you coincidentally or over there at Lowe's or Walmart or 113 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: home depot, stop piling cement mix buckets plastic bins. It's 114 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: never a good look, Dr Maroney. Why do they keep 115 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: doing it over and over and over. They think they're 116 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: going to get away with this stuff, and then they 117 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: also are very poor and planning. You put somebody in 118 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: a plastic bag, or you put them in a box 119 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: or concrete if you want a body to disappear leave 120 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: it out in the open and the sun for the bugs, 121 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: the LoVa, the maggots, everything will eat it down to nothing. 122 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: Thanks Dr Maroney, thank you for that. Visual works. Well, 123 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: I know, I know that is the way it works, 124 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: Dr William Moroney, You know Dr Maroney, Renee Rockwell nicknamed 125 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: Rudy bursting in. Go ahead, go ahead and interrupt. Throw 126 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: the body to the alligator. Is that what you tell 127 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: your clients throw the evidence to the alligators? Absolutely not. 128 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: That's illegal to advise a client to get rid of evidence. 129 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: But there is no evidence in the case, Nancy. Where's 130 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: just like stolen coins are not illegal. Here's the body 131 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: showing the body. I've just been waiting on that. Yeah, 132 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. Nobody has ever been found her body, 133 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: This beautiful young mom never been found. What am I 134 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: going to give him a gold star and a plus 135 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: for getting rid of the body? You don't find it 136 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: unusual that the very next day after she tossed to 137 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: her mom, he takes he plans to leave the country 138 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: and ends up all these years in Mexico. That doesn't 139 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: bother your name, Nancy. Let me just tell you here, 140 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: here's what what his business problem is First of all, 141 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: the fleeing itself is consciousness of guilt. Where did he go? 142 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: He went to Venezuela where there was no extradition policy 143 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: between Venezuela and the US. The minute he goes to Mexico, 144 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: he's fair game. And let me tell you something. He's 145 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: on his way back for a prosecution. But this d 146 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: A's office is going to have probably probably with this 147 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: case because there is no body. All you have in 148 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: this blah, don't count on I'm not finding a body 149 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: by the time this goes to trial. Take a listen 150 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: to our friends at w A f B t V 151 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: nine baton rouge. This is anchor andre more, not a word, 152 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: nothing more from that day. You can't imagine or difficult 153 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: is it to survive at this tragedy? Whole life will 154 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: never be the same. Linda Booie wonders, is Angelina maybe 155 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: in as good of a place as she could possibly 156 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: be right now? With then who I think as a monster. 157 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: And it now comes as no surprise. Friends say their 158 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: marriage was in trouble. There were fights where one or 159 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: the bullet of them and when I end up at 160 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: my house um and or where the sheriff was called 161 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: According to police records, deputies were called to their Spring 162 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: Lake address December three and December one. On that New 163 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: Year's Eve, she wound up at our Lady of the 164 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: Lake hospital with bruises. She said Oscar pushed her down 165 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: the stairs. Those records say. On Facebook, Oscar messaged me 166 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: I never touched Sylvian in a violent way. Booie says 167 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: Sylvian never pressed charges, fearing Oscar would take their daughter 168 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: and leave the country. She believes more than one person 169 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: took part in Sylvian's disappearance. I would hope that if 170 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: somebody is out there, that they would they would find 171 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: a conscience and that they would come out and they 172 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: would talk. They had identified that through their investigative ever 173 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: from the information that had provided to them, and went 174 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: into possession of Angelina Uh. They brought her into their 175 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: customy and they went to the normal Mexican procedures of 176 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: having a hearing, gathering information UH, meeting with their father Oscar, 177 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: and kept her in their possession since last Friday. Last 178 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: Friday night of my house, I've received a phone call 179 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: from the director of Immigrations from Mexico and says, hey, um, 180 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: you need to be at the Del Rio Texas border 181 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: in the morning. M can you be there. I'm I'm 182 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: a relinquished control imaginatd to you, I said, I'll meet here. Mhm. 183 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: I wish if y'all could sing the picture, Oh Todd 184 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: meeting with her. It was a moment for all of it. 185 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: You're hearing the investigator and Shaff both breaking down in 186 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: tears as they describe seven, the seven year old Kay. 187 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: They've been looking for this moment, Sylvian Fink Losata for 188 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: seven years and the recovery of her little girl, Angelina's 189 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: Lozatta at the Texas border with Mexico. Again, I'm Nancy Grace. 190 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: This is crime stories. Thank you for being with us. 191 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: So do Dr William Moroney. Not only is the wife 192 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: Sylvian assumed dad presumed dead, he took off to a 193 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: jurisdiction without the death penalty with the daughter. I mean, 194 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: what more could you do to a mother? Kill the 195 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: mother and take the child. Just remember these two words. 196 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: Peterson and Peterson. Drew Peterson and Scott Peterson were both convicted. 197 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: And we never really had the whole body's we We 198 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: didn't the one in Chicago. We didn't have anybody. So 199 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: when we look for this deep inside his inner spirit. 200 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: He's struggling with good and evil and the only way 201 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: out of this is to put it in front of 202 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: jurisprudence and blind justice and look out for his child. 203 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: And maybe we'll get a confession. But you don't need 204 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: a body. We've convicted people without bodies. You're so right 205 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: about that. Dr Moroney. Back to Renee Rockwell, uh native 206 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: of this jurisdiction in Baton Rouge, Renee Rockwell in Louisiana. 207 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: Is there the death penalty, Absolutely, the death penalty. There 208 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: is the problem with this case that they that initially 209 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: drove all the actions alleged actions of this suspect slash defendant, 210 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: is that he led to Venezuela to engage in perhaps 211 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: being out of roots because of the lack of the 212 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: extradition policy, Nancy, the many countries won't let clients be 213 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: extradited back to the receiving state because of death penalty. 214 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: And that's what I suspect happens in this case. However, 215 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: the minute he moved to Mexico, that is when we 216 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: were as a state Louisiana, we were able to put 217 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: our hands on him and bring him back. That's a 218 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: far cry from a conviction. Nancy, all it's gonna take 219 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: is a questioning jewelry saying, wait a minute, I don't 220 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: know if I'm willing to find this person guilty, especially 221 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: if it's a death penalty case, if I don't have 222 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: at least a dead body. Now, there are blood batter 223 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: that blood spattered patterns that were located in the garage, Fancy, 224 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: But that is the extent of the physical app Well, 225 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: you're right about that. Although Sylvian's body has never been 226 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: found after she's reported missing, and I'm curious about who 227 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: actually reported her missing. Police found her blood, not just blood, 228 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: but her blood spattered up against the walls of the 229 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: couple's garage. Now. She was last heard from July five, 230 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, on a phone call with her mom 231 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: in Belgium. In the very next day, her husband buys 232 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: two tickets to Venezuela, clearly not taking her along. He 233 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: takes the little girl. He also buys cement, concrete buckets, 234 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: luggage locks, and six large plastic bands. July nine, oscar 235 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: Lozatta takes his little baby girl. They leave the country 236 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: eight for Venezuela. Now interesting, Venezuela does not have an 237 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: extradition treaty with the US. But then, as yournate Rockwell 238 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: pointed out, when he moves to Mexico, authorities were able 239 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: to arrest him, and he is now being held at 240 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: a detention center in Eagle Pass, Texas. The baby girl, 241 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: now twelve, Angelina, has been returned to Louisiana. Now let 242 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: me ask you this, John Limley, we know that timing 243 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: is very, very unusual. Hold on, John, let me throw 244 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: that to Vincent Hill, cop turned private eye. You've got 245 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: her on the phone with her mom the night before 246 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: the next day, the husband takes off with the baby 247 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: girl to Venezuela. He only buys two tickets, he knows 248 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: she's not coming with him, and then cops fine, mommy's 249 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: blood in the garage. Vincent Hill, I mean, am I 250 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: missing a piece of this puzzle? It's very clear to me. No, 251 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 1: it's crystal clear, Nancy. I mean, I want to know 252 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: what that conversation with her mother was all about to 253 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: make this guy all of a sudden go out by 254 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: this concrete, by these plane tickets and leave with the daughter. 255 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: Something happened in that conversation that he may have overheard. 256 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: That says, oh, no, I need to do this now, 257 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: and I need to do it right now to get 258 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: rid of her. So, Lauren Howard, New York psychologists joining us, 259 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: do you see fly as evidence of guilt in this case? 260 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: No question. The blood splatter, um, the the stop at 261 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: home depot, the quick departure, and you know Chodd Morris, 262 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: the lead detective on the case, had maintained contracts with 263 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: um Ustar over the years, both through email and telephone. 264 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: While he was in Venezuela, he reported the two times 265 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: they were close to getting him to come back to 266 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: the US and when as for as to purchase airline 267 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: tickets for him and his daughter, but he stopped short 268 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: of getting on the plane. So I mean to me, 269 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: that says they had gotten close enough to him confessing, 270 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: And so I do think that they will end up 271 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: with a confession. Honestly, Nancy, I'm not a judge, I'm 272 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: not a jury. I don't have to be fair here. 273 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: All I care about is this girl. I mean, she's 274 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: lived in Venezuela her whole life, and now all the 275 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: fun she's in foster care in Louisiana. I mean, what 276 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: what what's wrong with that picture? This kid? I mean 277 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: her whole life has known her life in Venezuela. More 278 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: concerned about her whole life being lived without her mother 279 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: because daddy murdered her and put her body in a 280 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: plastic bind. Want to entry and Rudy High School think Losanna. 281 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: Teachers that really high school say loved what she did. 282 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: People who want these halls say she brought pure joy 283 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: to the classroom. She was always this bright, smiley and lady. 284 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: Anytime you know she was around, she was smiling. On 285 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, teacher's dad it around a small television set 286 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: at the school for the announcement. They had waited seven 287 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: long years to hear oscar Lozatta and has been arrested 288 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: for the murder of Sylvian fi East Ben Rouge. Sheriff's 289 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: Major Todd Morris, the lead detective on the case, had 290 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: the honor of welcoming Sylvian's daughter, Angelina back to America. 291 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: The girl's safety is what they had hoped and prayed foremost. 292 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: I relieved that this has finally happened and that Angelina 293 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: can be um reuniting with her family and her mother 294 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: loved her so much. She was her world. The news 295 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: is closure of the teachers say, but they know the 296 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: days ahead, the court dates, tragic reminders, the outcome will 297 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: likely take a toll on Angelina. The faculty had really 298 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: high had a message for the young girl. She can 299 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: count on them. We're praying for you, and there's a 300 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: community of support behind you, and we know what an 301 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: amazing young child you are and now a young adult. 302 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: And and you're finally home, and you're finally at peace, 303 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: surrounded by tremendous love by this community. You're here in 304 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: the high school Secretary Amy Robillon and his sister, Principal 305 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: Julie May you talking with our friends at w f 306 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: A B nine TV about the return of Sylvian's baby girl, Angelina. 307 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: You know when they were talking about the safety of 308 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: the little girl. John Limley Crime Online dot Com investigative 309 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: reporter where you can find this and all other breaking 310 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: crime and justice news. John. She may be a star 311 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: witness against her own father. I guess she was in danger. 312 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: That is so correct, Nancy. Uh. It is just to 313 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: be seen exactly what role she will be playing in 314 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: the weeks and months to come. And to you. Renee Rockwell, 315 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: veteran defense attorney from the Baton Rouge Jurisdiction renee. Can 316 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: a child be put on the stand at a under 317 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: the law we call it a tender age. Nancy, she's twelve. Now, 318 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: these defense attorneys are gonna be going wild because there's 319 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: a great possibility of influencing this child's memory of what 320 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: happened that day. At the end of the day, Nancy, 321 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: I say, there's no death penalty in this case. It'll 322 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: be a straight up murder trial without the death penalty, 323 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: and the d A's office will have a much better 324 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: chance of getting a conviction. Oh, I say, go all 325 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: the way. At least give the jury the option of 326 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: the death penalty, because you've got not only a murder 327 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: if the state improve it with all that blood, and 328 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: a lot's gonna depend. I'm gonna come back to Maroney 329 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: on the amount of blood and what, if anything, it proves. 330 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: But you've got it in combination with a parental kidnap, 331 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: taking the child out of the country, eluding authorities. And 332 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what role this little girl, now twelve 333 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: years old, will play at an upcoming trial of her 334 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: own father. Oscar Lozatta. We are talking about the disappearance 335 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: of Sylvian fink Lozada, a beautiful young mom teacher who 336 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: goes missing years ago out of the Baton Rouge jurisdiction. 337 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: I want to take this opportunity to say hello to 338 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: all my Cajun friends from Baton Rouge and especially law 339 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: enforcement who worked all these years to solve this case. 340 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: To Dr William Maroney for now medical examiner and author 341 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: of a brand new book on Amazon American Narky and 342 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, how much blood do I need to show 343 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: a jury to prove to them that Sylvian is dead. Well, 344 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: the blood is gonna go through forensic DNA testing and 345 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: you're really only gonna need about as much as two 346 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: dimes small. That's completely acceptable in anything large enough to 347 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: be splattered in the garage. Plus, the best part about 348 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: it is the material more than likely is either gypsum 349 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: or would It's been porous, so the blood is absorbed 350 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: and it's trapped and protected, and the daughter is going 351 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: to be able to contribute DNA to match to the 352 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: blood in the garage. This is just this is a wealth. 353 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: This is a very rich scientific assessment. Well, what you're 354 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: saying really doesn't make sense to me, Dr William Moroney, 355 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: because there was blood not only on the walls in 356 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: the garage, but also on the ceiling. I recently did 357 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: a blood demonstration with a blood expert that joins us 358 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: quite often, Karen Smith, and there was a throwback blood 359 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: on the ceiling that you get when you you hit 360 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: somebody over her on the head and then you swing 361 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: back to him again and it flies off your weapon. 362 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: So what I'm saying, moroney, is why you're not making 363 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: sense to me. And I'm sure it's on my end 364 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: for me to believe some body is dead, I've got 365 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: to say a lot of blood to dime size drops 366 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: of blood is not going to convince They're not going 367 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: to convince me she's dead. Now, the throwback on the 368 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: ceiling might because I know that came from a beating 369 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: more likely than not. But again, how much blood shows 370 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: she bled to death or she died, well, the amount 371 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: of blood that comes out and what we call an exanguination, um, 372 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: you probably have to leave two or three pints on 373 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: the floor to be disabled and then die, but the 374 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: amount collected has yet to be determined. And throwback on 375 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: the ceiling and blood splatters on the walls, if it's 376 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: really involved in some kind of sharp force injury, trauma 377 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: could include tissue which is really ridiculous, that the cutting 378 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: up with a chainsaw or machetty, which is very common 379 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: in those parishes, that would show dreamly violent activity at 380 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: the crimes. When you say tissue, you may like brain tissue. Yeah, 381 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: we're you know you're gonna You don't have to act 382 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: so gleeful about it when I say brain tissue. But 383 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: we need how many pints do you need to bleed out? 384 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: Human body has a small people maybe six or seven, 385 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: very big large people maybe nine. Okay, so she's small, 386 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: so six pints. One pint equals two cups. Two cups 387 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: are nothing, that's practically nothing. So for six pints, you 388 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: need twelve cups to totally bleed out. John Lily Crime 389 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,239 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. Do we know how much 390 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: blood was in the garage? They have not informed us 391 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: as to the exacted amount, however. Uh. In addition to 392 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: that suspected blood in the blood splatter in the garage, 393 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: detectives also seized two cardboard cylinders, a pair of pink panties, 394 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: a used roll of duct tape for DNA swabs from 395 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: the garage floor, six diving weights, a roll of Kodak 396 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: film to Motorola cell Phones, uh Sinc. Catch pipe and 397 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: water sample and hair from that catchpipe. Guys, speaking of murderer. 398 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: If you have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers, 399 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: do not miss the new docuseries on Oxygen. 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What we has 418 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: long said that oscar was the prime person responsible for 419 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Sylvian's disappearance. That's that's crazy. She knew about the secret 420 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: abuse falls her friend kept at Bruley High School. You're 421 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: hearing from our friends at w b r Z TV 422 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: Channel two in Baton Rouge. That's Chris Nekamoto talking to 423 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: Sylvian's friend Karen Woolly. You know Renee Rockwell, when you 424 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: are hearing these names of the high school, I mean 425 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: the school where she taught, and hearing her voice, it 426 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: it's got to be bringing back memories of you growing 427 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: up there, of that school. And you know, we're learning 428 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: so much about her as a teacher and much she 429 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: loved teaching French. And now we're learning that there were 430 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: three incidents incidents documented incidents of domestic violence within the home. 431 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: Sylvian the victim of domestic violence of her husband, oscar Lozatta. Renee. 432 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: The interesting thing, now, what was that we're thinking about 433 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: a trial. There's going to be a number of motions 434 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: to try to exclude anything that she may have told 435 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: her mother about a bad marriage, or told a friend 436 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: about a bad marriage, or her plans to leave the marriage. 437 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: But what comes in are the documented incidents where there 438 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: were actually police officers called out to the scene. That 439 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: is something that the defense team is going to have 440 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: to deal with. Yeah, that's not going to be easy. 441 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: And I think you know, it doesn't have to be 442 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: a fingerprint identical crime to come in as a similar transaction. 443 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: It can come in to show motive of course of 444 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: conduct scheme, you know, the frame of mind at the 445 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: time of the incident. So I predict these documented domestic 446 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: violence incidents will come into evidence. I'm just wondering if 447 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 1: they'll cut him a deal renee in exchange for him 448 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: telling where the body is. I wouldn't want it. I 449 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to deal. I'd want to go forward without 450 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: a body and take it to a jury. But they 451 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: make her a deal with them, what do you think 452 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: about that? Consider this, If she cuts it there with them, 453 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: she's more likely to have some control as to whether 454 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: or not his daughter gets gets returned to Mexico where 455 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: in the last seven years or at least in the 456 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: last few years she has some support system, or actually 457 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: if mom from Belgium comes in to scoop these child up. 458 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: The reason that the child is in Louisiana now, Nancy, 459 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: is not because of family or a community support. The 460 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: reason the child is there is for potential um the 461 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: ability potentially to use her in a try. This is 462 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: ever happened to you, Renee, because it happens to me 463 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: all the time. I wish I could just go take 464 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: Angelina and myself and have her come live with us, 465 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: and and us have her here with John David and 466 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: Lucy and the cat and the dog and the guinea 467 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: pigs and Grandmommy, the whole kid and kiboodle. I don't 468 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: like the idea of her being in fostercare. She's got 469 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: no mom, her dad is behind bars from murder, and 470 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: now she's stuck in foster care. Exactly Nancy. But I 471 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: have a feeling you'd be in a wrong line if 472 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: you wanted to grab that little precious angel up. You know, 473 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: a relative on the mom's side, on Sylvian's mom's side, 474 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: is expected to take custody of the little girl if 475 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: I don't get her first. But she was located at 476 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: a school in Mexico near where she had been living 477 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: with her father. Where you're learning from investigators, they've been 478 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: tracking Lazada for years and finally tracked him down in 479 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: Mexico with the help of the US agencies and an 480 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: arrest warrant filed on Thursday. He is accused of one 481 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: count of second degree murder. Well, that rules out the 482 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: death penalty right there. Why is it second degree? I 483 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: don't understand that, John Linley. They have not given us 484 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: the reasoning behind that. That is a peculiar point in 485 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: this investigation and the information that they released at the 486 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: press country. I don't like that at all. To Dr 487 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: William Moroney, As you know Dr Moroney from all the 488 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: cases in which you have investigated as the medical examiner 489 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: and been a witness, evidence after the crime, after the 490 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: murder can be brought in as well. I think if 491 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: this had been some sort of an accident or a 492 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: crime of passion, why would you then hide the body 493 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: and plastic bands and dispose of it in lead the 494 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: country with your daughter. That sounds like murder one to me, 495 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: absolutely trying to hide something there, and that's why, hopefully 496 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: more than just blood splatter. If we can get some tissue. 497 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: We're talking longbone joints, eye globes, mouthparts, brain matter, colon, lungs, 498 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,719 Speaker 1: and genitals. If we can get pieces of the body, 499 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: then you can say, look, this is not there wasn't 500 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: just an accident here. If it was an accident somebody died, 501 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: then you're not going to have multiparts, brain, hair, joints, 502 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: and genitals. This person was cut up. They were remember, 503 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: you know this is what else I'm I'm learning. Detectives 504 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: claim surveillance video from you know where Renee Rockwell Lows 505 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: on South Mail Drive and Baton Rouge shows Lozatta with 506 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: his daughter. I wonder if she has a memory of 507 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: this walking into Lows buying fifteen bags of concrete nine 508 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: five gallon buckets with lids and luggage locks. Following the 509 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: trip to Lows, According to the warrant that we have obtained, 510 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: Oscar and his daughter, Lozado and his daughter, then just 511 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: four years old, go out to chuck e cheese. Now 512 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: that's quite an afternoon shopping spree. You go buy a 513 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: bunch of cement to weigh down your mommy's body, and 514 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: then you got to chuck e cheese. Renee I could 515 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: wait to tell that to a jury, and then you 516 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: go to the airport, Nancy. I often wondered they're gonna 517 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: try to maybe hypnotize his child to ask her, dej 518 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: do you remember going to the Mississippi River bridge and 519 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: throw throwing something off of the Chapelaya River Bridge and 520 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: throwing something off the bridge. I'd often wonder if they'll 521 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: try to poor little thing, question that daughter about any 522 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: incidet like that. To visit Hill former Nashville p D 523 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: turned private eye. What about this, Vincent? Give me your analysis, 524 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: because according to the warrant that we have obtained, quote, 525 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: during the search of the garage, crime scene analysts located 526 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: suspected blood and at least nine different areas of the garage. Nancy. 527 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: That tells me something tragic happened in that house. If 528 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: it was contained a one area, then maybe she cut 529 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: herself shaving or something. But if it's in nine different 530 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: areas of that had herself shaving in the garage, Nancy, 531 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: you never know. Why do you say things like that? 532 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: You know you may find blood in my farm. You 533 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: know that may be in the kitchen from when I 534 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: kept myself earlier. But more importantly, there's nine different locations, 535 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: were bloody kitchen, vincent. If there's nine different places, that 536 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: means something happened in that house. And to the little girl, 537 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: she's twelve now she was five, then she's old enough. 538 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: She was old enough and to actually remember what happened. 539 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: All of us at five years old have memories of 540 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: what happened to us when we were five. If she 541 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: was five months, maybe not, But the fact that she 542 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: was five, I can assure you that little girl remembers 543 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: everything that happened that day. Well, let me tell you 544 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: something else. We've learned. The blood was tested at the 545 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: Louisiana State Police Crime Lab and it is that of Sylvian, 546 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: according to the warrant. There's also been no activity on 547 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: Sylvian's bank account or credit cards since her disappearance. We 548 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: are learning that now. According to what he told investigators 549 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: that could speak to him when he was in Venezuela, 550 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: he said he had no idea where she was, but 551 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: a search of records. So police have been called to 552 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: the couple's home many times for domestic disturbances, including an 553 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: incident when detectives noted in their report Oscar allegedly admitted 554 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 1: Lozatta admitted he quote snapped and struck Sylvian. Okay, yeah, 555 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: that's coming in. You know, Renee Rockwell, you and I 556 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: have had many many cases against each other. Wisely, I 557 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: don't think I ever actually tried a jury trial against you. 558 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: And as we have ended so many cases, Renee, could 559 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: could you just speak a little cajun to the listeners? 560 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: Ha we You know, I want to say that probably 561 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: as his defense team, here's all that that's not Cage 562 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: and Renee, because I can understand it. As they hear 563 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: the evidence come in, they're gonna say something like dem basa, 564 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: which means, don't tell me that. As the evidence room 565 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: will be You're taking me back, Renee, to all the 566 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: good times with the rapists and the murderers and the 567 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: dope dealers. In the Fulton County Courthouse, we wait as 568 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: justice un false Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye 569 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: friend