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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Bare and Lazarren.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by ours.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex barn. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think there are people who play fantasy football who are

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Speaker 1: real football fans. I'm not saying all fantasy football players aren't.

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Speaker 1: I think there are some people who played fantasy football

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Speaker 1: and not a football fan in the sense that I

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Speaker 1: enjoy watching NFL, I mean a fan of the sport itself.

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Speaker 1: I think there are some people that play fantasy football.

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Speaker 1: They know the quarterbacks, the running backs, the wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: and the tight ends, and that's it. They know the numbers,

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Speaker 1: and they don't maybe know what's behind those numbers, how

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Speaker 1: they get there. That's what it.

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Speaker 3: Bothers me a little bit about the fantasy community. They

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Speaker 3: basically take the trenches out of their thinking.

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Speaker 2: And the defense entyre well, yeah, but like specifically, I

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Speaker 2: would say, I feel like if you only pay attention

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Speaker 2: to fantasy and that's how you base all your takes

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Speaker 2: off of just fantasy football, then do you acquiring wide

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Speaker 2: receivers and running backs and tight ends?

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Speaker 3: Is the only means that matter.

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Speaker 1: This and these are the people I'm talking to me.

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Speaker 3: I have a fantasy draft tonight. Actually, I'm in two

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Speaker 3: leagues this year, and I don't know how I feel

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Speaker 3: about it. I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be honest

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Speaker 3: with you. It's kind of lost a little bit of

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Speaker 3: its luster to me. Maybe that's just working in the.

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Speaker 1: Well, so you know, when people ask me why I

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Speaker 1: don't do it. I was never a big fan of

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Speaker 1: it to begin with. But the thing is, like what

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Speaker 1: I like doing was plopping down on the couch on Sunday, yes,

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Speaker 1: and watching the points come in real time and outside

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Speaker 1: of you know what, two or three weeks a year.

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Speaker 1: A few more this year is a few more prime

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Speaker 1: time age of the Patriots. But like, I really can't

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Speaker 1: do that on a Sunday and watching the Patriots game,

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Speaker 1: So that that took a lot out for me. I

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Speaker 1: do still need to set up the punter league.

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Speaker 3: I knew you were going to.

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Speaker 1: Can you do the draft tonight?

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Speaker 3: No, I can't. I have another fantasy draft to night.

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Speaker 1: By tomorrow night tomorrow, during the day, we'll figure out

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Speaker 1: I'm to make sure you want to draft. No, we'll

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Speaker 1: make sure you can do the draft. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to do the punter league with that. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: do that to you. I did it, I didn't do

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Speaker 1: it last year, and I know how much you missed it.

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Speaker 1: So I want to make sure you get involved this year.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm good. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't worry. We'll get you in. Don't worry

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Speaker 1: about it. I'm happy to do it.

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Speaker 3: So one thing we were talking about from a fantasy thing.

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Speaker 3: Then I promise we'll move on from fantasy and talk

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Speaker 3: Patriots here in a second. But I was trying to think,

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Speaker 3: like how much of an advantage could having Travis Hunter

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Speaker 3: b because if he scores touchdowns on defense, then you

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Speaker 3: might get those points. But I guess in standard scoring

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Speaker 3: in most from most places like ESPN and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: they'd only give you defensive points if it's an IDP league,

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Speaker 1: And I think even if you had like Marcus Jones

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Speaker 1: as an IDP, I remember this was a thing like, yeah, touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: like you didn't get the points for that, which you should.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: I'd like in baseball, I think you have to.

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Speaker 3: I thought I found a loophole with Travis Hunter. You know,

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Speaker 3: like Marcus Jones is another good one. Speaking Marcus Jones,

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Speaker 3: least based off of most standard scoring systems. All right,

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Speaker 3: that's enough Fantasy football. Evan Lazar Alex bar Alex behind

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Speaker 3: the glass with you here for the next couple of

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Speaker 3: hours on Patriots Catch twenty two one housekeeping item. I'm

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Speaker 3: hoping that we're going to be able to keep the

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Speaker 3: show at this time slot moving forward for the next

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Speaker 3: if that's the case. We obviously have to adjust based off.

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Speaker 1: Of Monday night game and one Thursday, and we're one Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and I came, all goes out the window? Was it week?

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Speaker 1: Is week five? Monday night or Sunday night, Sunday night? Okay,

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Speaker 3: It's late in the season. Yeah, it's a week eleven.

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Speaker 1: I want to say right there, the Thursday night football game,

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Speaker 3: So not too Yeah. I think we'll be able to

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Speaker 3: to noon on Wednesdays, and of course you can get

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Speaker 3: the podcast wherever you get your podcasts. But I want

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Speaker 3: to open with some Patriots news. Then we are going

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Speaker 3: to talk a little bit big picture about the season

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Speaker 3: as a whole. I have nine questions going into the

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Speaker 3: season about your twenty twenty five Patriots. I don't like

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Speaker 3: using the word concerns because you know, we have to

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Speaker 3: be careful about concerns here, but also because I feel

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Speaker 3: like it's not necessarily that they're all concerns. I just

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Speaker 3: the team. So we have nine of them. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: of Raiders will take your Wonderful, We'll preview the game

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Speaker 3: on Sunday. We'll get some emails in. But starting with

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Speaker 3: the news, Alex, we were not on the air or

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Speaker 3: the show had already aired last week before the Patriots

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Speaker 3: released Jabriel Peppers. That happened on Friday, afternoon. A surprise,

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Speaker 3: A surprise, no doubt about it, one of those surprise

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Speaker 3: that was also not for long. But I gave them

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Speaker 3: they were a little bit they were a year too early,

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Speaker 3: I think it's Dugger or Peppers, not Dugger and Peppers

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Speaker 1: I agree with the lot of that. I just you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, good player, I think, still a good player.

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Speaker 1: It puts a lot of pressure on Craig Woodson. And

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Speaker 1: that's kind of a theme. I know you have your

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I get that, you know, I said

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Speaker 3: doing Madden ratings, Yeah, then Kyle dugger and Jabriel Peppers

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Speaker 3: know what I like to eat, Alex when I'm watching

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Speaker 4: Do you?

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to our questions. I have seven

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Speaker 1: But I do mine first or last because mine's much

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Speaker 3: about Drake May over the last several months and where

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Speaker 3: he's at and all that good stuff. But now the

433
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Speaker 3: regular season's here and it's time to really see where

434
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Speaker 3: he's progressed and all that stuff. So my question with

435
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Speaker 3: Drake May is does he take that next step? I

436
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 3: think that's the number one question with this team right now.

437
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Speaker 3: But also like what would that look like to you?

438
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Speaker 3: What would it look like for him to take the

439
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 3: next step? Because I think it's subjective. It could be

440
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: wins losses, it could be statistical production, it could be

441
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 3: eye tests, Like there's a lot of different ways that

442
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 3: you could uh, a lot of different angles, and it's

443
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Speaker 3: I think a subjective thing person to person.

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Speaker 1: So I mean I think it's multiple things, right. The

445
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 1: big number that I've continually thrown out under a turnover

446
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 1: a game. So if he plays all seventeen games and

447
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: this is interceptions and fumbles sixteen or fewer interceptions in fumbles,

448
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: now that can't come at the expense of making plays.

449
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: You want to see the touchdowns as well. But that's

450
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: kind of been a big one for me because I

451
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: think this defense should be a turnover game defense. I

452
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: really do. So if Drake may can keep it under

453
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: a turnover game, you've now won the turnover battle for

454
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Speaker 1: the season. That is going to really help you out.

455
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: The other thing a lot of people point to year

456
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: two is kind of the make it or break it

457
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Speaker 1: year for quarterbacks, and there's some truth to that. Usually

458
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Speaker 1: if you don't figure it out by the end by

459
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Speaker 1: the end of year two, you're not gonna have much

460
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Speaker 1: success in the NFL as a quarterback. Right You get

461
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Speaker 1: these guys like Baker Mayfield and Gino Smith and we'll

462
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Speaker 1: see this week in Sam Darnold, but they usually have

463
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Speaker 1: to change teams and it's years later, and you know,

464
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Speaker 1: if you're going to kind of hit it from the

465
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Speaker 1: jump as a top pick and justify that pick, you

466
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Speaker 1: got to show progress in year two. Josh Allen was

467
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Speaker 1: one of these guys. Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts. I think

468
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: Bryce Young will see what he does this year, but

469
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Speaker 1: people realize how good Bryce Young was second half of

470
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Speaker 1: last season. We'll see if he can continue to build

471
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Speaker 1: on that. But there's also within that, whether it's Alan

472
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Speaker 1: Burrow Hurts, I mean, a lot of these top quarterbacks

473
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Speaker 1: who kind of it clicked in year two for them,

474
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Speaker 1: they were a lot better in the second half of

475
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Speaker 1: the season than they were in the first. And it

476
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Speaker 1: wasn't like they flipped a switch and we eate and

477
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Speaker 1: suddenly we're good. But there was this gradual growth. So

478
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Speaker 1: however you want to measure it, turnovers, touchdowns, you want

479
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Speaker 1: to use one of your for cock to numbers, go

480
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Speaker 1: for it is Drake May better at the end of

481
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Speaker 1: the year than he was at the beginning. I think

482
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Speaker 1: that's also very important. I don't want Drake May to

483
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Speaker 1: play his best game of the year this Sunday. I

484
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Speaker 1: hope he plays a good game and it'd be great

485
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Speaker 1: if he plays his best game of the year this

486
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Speaker 1: Sunday and we look back at it and say he

487
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Speaker 1: peaked in the opener, that's probably not a good thing.

488
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Speaker 1: Remember who peaked in the opener year too. Talking Matt Jones, Yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: I had a whole thing about he threw for three

490
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Speaker 1: hundred yards. Why you worried some of us didn't really

491
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Speaker 1: feel like you were. You stood on that hill alone

492
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Speaker 1: and you were correct. I wanted to give you your

493
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Speaker 1: flowers for that. So that's not me saying I hope

494
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Speaker 1: Drake may sucks Sunday. Obviously not. But and it's not linear.

495
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: There's going to be some up and some down. But

496
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Speaker 1: his last eight games collectively should be better than his

497
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Speaker 1: first eight games, if that makes sense. Like I just

498
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Speaker 1: I want to see him continue to get better over

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Speaker 1: the course of the year. If he's stagnant, even if

500
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Speaker 1: he's okay, but he's just stagnantly okay, that would be

501
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: a little worrying long term. So cut down on the

502
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Speaker 1: turnovers and improve as the season goes on. Those are

503
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Speaker 1: my two big check marks for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. I think the mine is

505
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 3: more and I think yours is too. Like I test subjective,

506
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: you know, just sort of feel thing.

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Speaker 1: I can't give you an exactly, like, thirty touchdowns would

508
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: be great, but if it's thirty touchdowns and twenty five turnovers,

509
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Speaker 1: I'd be kind of worried about that. And he's Jameis Winston.

510
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Speaker 3: And I'm also not like a big I don't really

511
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Speaker 3: do counting stats either, because if he has twenty touchdowns

512
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Speaker 3: but they have like twenty five rushing touchdowns to a

513
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Speaker 3: team because they're running it in from.

514
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Speaker 1: The five yard If they're running in from the five

515
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Speaker 1: yard line all the time, don't you think he's going

516
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Speaker 1: to be a little part of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I'm just saying, like, if that is what

518
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Speaker 3: they do, is they get down you know, he gets

519
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 3: them down there and then they're just a smash mount

520
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 3: team at the goal line and they're just punching the

521
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Speaker 3: ball in without throwing it. Then I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: hold that against Drake May that they didn't have a

523
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Speaker 3: to in a red zone passing production because they're running

524
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Speaker 3: the football effectively down in the red zone. So what

525
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Speaker 3: I look at with Drake May and I think this

526
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Speaker 3: is just true for all these quarterbacks, and it's sort

527
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Speaker 3: of a feeld thing or an eye test thing that

528
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Speaker 3: you're just gonna have to trust your gut on is

529
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Speaker 3: does he start to take control of games? Like, does

530
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Speaker 3: he start to really be a master at his craft,

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Speaker 3: and I think when you look at all these great

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks across the league, what you notice with all of

533
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Speaker 3: them is that they have this like cool, calm sense

534
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Speaker 3: of the game where it just feels like they are

535
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Speaker 3: the ones that are operating at a higher level than

536
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: everybody else And to your point about it getting better

537
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Speaker 3: as the season progresses, this is probably not going to

538
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Speaker 3: happen immediately for Drake May, especially with a new offense

539
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Speaker 3: and a new offensive coordinator and a new system to

540
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 3: assimilate to, but eventually you'd like to see him have

541
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Speaker 3: that feel of the game where it is clear that

542
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Speaker 3: he's the one dictating the terms of the game to

543
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Speaker 3: the defense versus reacting to the defense. And I wonder

544
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Speaker 3: if they can get him to that point this year.

545
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: I might be a little bit too high of a bar,

546
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Speaker 3: but just when I watch quarterbacks around the league, whether

547
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: it's Lamar, whether it's Allan, whether it's Burrow, whether it's Mahomes.

548
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 3: Obviously Brady here for us for the last twenty years,

549
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: you can tell that they have this They are above

550
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: it right, like they're operating above everybody else where. They

551
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 3: have this instinctive feel for the game and That's what

552
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: I would like to see from Drake May. I understand

553
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: that he has all the physical abilities. I understand that

554
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: he can make some unbelievably good throws, but can he

555
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: situationally lock it down? Can he perform late in games?

556
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Speaker 3: Is he going to be able to you know, third down,

557
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: they're going to throw something exotic at us, and we're

558
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: going to handle that from a pre snap perspective of

559
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: getting everybody blocked and knowing where our weaknesses are, our

560
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: vulnerabilities are, and being able to beat those types of things.

561
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Speaker 3: Once you're playing that chess match as a quarterback, that's

562
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Speaker 3: when you're reaching that next level. Because all these guys

563
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: have physical talent. I think you can name twenty quarterbacks,

564
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: twenty five quarterbacks in the NFL that have physical talent.

565
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Speaker 3: But the question is is can you really be the maestro?

566
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Speaker 3: Can you be that chess master above all else? And

567
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: I think that's what made Brady great, I think that's

568
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: what made Manning great. I think that's what made a

569
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: lot of these guys great. So I'm looking for Drake

570
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: May to take that next step there because we will

571
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Speaker 3: be able to at the end of the season make

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00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: a sizzle reel of fifteen great Drake maythrows, I have

573
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: no doubt about that. But is he going to be clutch?

574
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: Is he going to be situationally locked in?

575
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Speaker 1: Is he going to be consistent?

576
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 3: Is he going to be consistent? Is he going to

577
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: solve problems on the fly that the defenses are presenting

578
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: to him and be a step ahead of defenses. I

579
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Speaker 3: think that's where they really need to get him going.

580
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: Is the thinking part of the game more so than

581
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Speaker 3: anything to do with physical. That's decision making too, to

582
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: your point about turnof yes, So all that stuff is

583
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: really the next step. And I love I love Mike

584
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 3: Vrabel's approach. I love you know, Josh McDaniels too. But

585
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: we've seen it in all the behind the scenes stuff

586
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: in Forge and Foxborough, how much he's pushing Drake May

587
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: on those elements of it, of being clutch, of being

588
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: on the details, situationally on leading, on you know, showing

589
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: that energy and that leadership quality to his teammates. That

590
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 3: that is going to end up making or breaking this

591
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: this quarterback, it breaks and breaks all of these guys.

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Speaker 1: So just real quick, quick to close the loop on

593
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Speaker 1: what I was saying earlier, Josh Allen second year, Yes,

594
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Speaker 1: first five games, five touchdowns, seven interceptions, two hundred twenty

595
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: four passing yards per game, finishes the season with three

596
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: thousand yards, twenty touchdowns, nine er scepters. I know some

597
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: of these guys have running stats, but nobody's really worried

598
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: about Drake May's ability to run the ball. Jalen Hurts,

599
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: super Bowl winning quarterback. Year two starts three and five.

600
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Speaker 1: Throws for year two a as a full time I

601
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Speaker 1: might have a year for Hurts, so let's skip that one.

602
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow second year, and he's coming off an injury,

603
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: starts with twenty touchdowns, eleven interceptions in his first nine games,

604
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy seven yards a game. Finishes the

605
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: season ten ands, and the team was five and four.

606
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: Finishes the season ten and six thirty four touchdowns, fourteen interceptions.

607
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: Lamar first five games of his second year eleven touchdowns,

608
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: five picks, two hundred and fifty four yards a game.

609
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: Throws for third thirty one hundred yards, thirty six touchdowns,

610
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Speaker 1: six interceptions, so twenty touchdowns to one pick down the stretch.

611
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: His second year, they start three and two, they finish

612
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: thirteen and two. Justin herbert second year, sixteen touchdowns, six interceptions,

613
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: just under two thousand yards total to start the season

614
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: over his first seven games, finishes the year throwing for

615
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: five thousand yards, thirty eight touchdowns, fifteen picks. So with

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Speaker 1: just about all of these guys, I know it bears

617
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: out for Hurts. I just instinctively pulled out the second

618
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: year of his career when his second year is a

619
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Speaker 1: full time starters twenty twenty two, it's a year later.

620
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Speaker 1: All of these guys, like mid October is when it clicks,

621
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: you know at some point, and the October.

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Speaker 3: They all had the physical ability.

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Speaker 1: It's just you got to see a certain amount of it.

624
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Speaker 1: So to go back to your point, like what's a

625
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: good year for Drake May, Let's keep an eye. They

626
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: go to Buffalo in Week five and we all know

627
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: that's going to be a tough game. Right after that,

628
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: they have a stretch where it's the Saints, the Titans,

629
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Speaker 1: and the Browns, and granted to those games are on

630
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: the road, but that's kind of in that timeline where

631
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these year two quarterbacks have taken off.

632
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: It's a week week part of the schedule. There should

633
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: be a ton of opportunities for him to as he said,

634
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: and he said in a different context, but get some

635
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: layups in before you start shooting threes. Those three games out, Well,

636
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: that was right up your alley there. Oh, I love it. Yeah,

637
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: he knows the truth about that covers two sports for

638
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: that really does. It's a very useful take. You can't

639
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: say he's wrong because you won't say he's wrong. That's

640
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and he was a good basketball player back in the day.

641
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: One knows what he's talking about.

642
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: You could shoot threes to that's yeah, but he got

643
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: the layups first.

644
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: That's the stretch where I'm looking for Drake Made to

645
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: really take off. Like if Drake May's going to have

646
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: the kind of ascension of some of those guys I mentioned,

647
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: there's lesser quarterbacks. I know, there's like the five best

648
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: or four of the five best quarterbacks in the league.

649
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: If he's going to have the ascension, that to me

650
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: is where it starts. So is in that run of

651
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: games and then we're you know, we're going to be

652
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: talking about you know, you'll hear my station was the Saints, Titans,

653
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: and Browns, Like, of course he's playing, Well, what did

654
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: you expect after that, you got the Falcons of have

655
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: a really good defense, the Bucks, the Jets, the Bengals

656
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: have less of defense, but like that will be the Bramer. Okay,

657
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: is he making the Falcons look like he made the

658
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: Titans look Yeah?

659
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: So I just you said it earlier. I want everybody

660
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: to keep in mind that this development is not going

661
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: to be linear. Yeah, if you're expecting him to just

662
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: continue to ascend. And this is why with some of

663
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: the reporting on what's been going on at practice when

664
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: we were able to watch practice during training camp, this

665
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: was part of my I guess scripe with the way

666
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: it was being talked about with Drake Mays because if

667
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: you were just expecting every single practice to look great,

668
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: and that was the only way you were going to

669
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: be like pleased with his training camp and your two

670
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: here was that if it was just a arrow pointed

671
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: absolutely upward to the sky every single day, better better, better, better.

672
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: I don't think that's how it worked with any of

673
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: these guys. I don't think that's how it's worked with

674
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: any quarterback in the history of the league, that every

675
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: single practice was better than the last practice. It's a

676
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: you learn from the mistakes, you take the lumps, you

677
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: figure it out, You're you're practicing, you're trying things like

678
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 3: that's where the guys that have ascended, And then all

679
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: of a sudden, to your point about all the stats,

680
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: it just clicks. It's the they're great.

681
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: Not game to game, but the overall trend is upwards

682
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: as we get to the end of the year.

683
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeap, all right, let's move on to the second one here.

684
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: So just kind of going I could, I went almost

685
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: positioned by position with it a little bit, just some

686
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: of my lingering questions here. Number two on my list

687
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: was does Rimandre Stevenson remain the lead early down back? So,

688
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: in my mind, based off these running back roles of

689
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: what they might have here this season, Travion Henderson is

690
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: going to be stagnant. I think his role is going

691
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: to be the same all year long. I don't think

692
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: they're gonna mess with Travon Henderson's role. They're gonna say,

693
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: this is what we're gonna do with you. I think

694
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: it will probably be around twelve to fifteen touches a game,

695
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: both in the run and pass game, and that's gonna

696
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 3: be his role for his entire rookie season. The spot

697
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: that might change is going to be that early down

698
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 3: back role between Remandre and Antonio Gibson. So that is

699
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: the one that I could see some fluctuation of usage.

700
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: Whereas Henderson, I think they're just going to kind of

701
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: keep him on the status quo. With Stevenson and Gibson,

702
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: the obvious number one question is can Remandre hang on

703
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: to the football? Yeah, because I do think he's their

704
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: best first and ten from twenty five regular personnel.

705
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: You know, full back in the back ball body blowback.

706
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: He is the best early down between the tackles back

707
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: on the team. But we all know about the ball

708
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: security issues, and I don't think that Antonio Gibson is

709
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: a slouch. I think Antonio Gibson is a solid NFL

710
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: running back. The stats last year more than bear that out.

711
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 3: So long story short, I would just say, can Remandre

712
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: hold onto the football long enough to hold on to

713
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: his job? Like That's really what it comes down to,

714
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: because I do think Antonio Gibson is going to be

715
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: a consideration not before long. If form Andre Stevenson continues

716
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: to have ball security issues.

717
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's right there and he can handle

718
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: some of that stuff. Stevenson does and he's a capable

719
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: pass catcher as well, so he gives you a little

720
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: more unpredictability when he's on the field. I just think

721
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: the big thing is they need somebody reliable in that role.

722
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: You cannot use Trevon Henderson as a bell cow back.

723
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: They try to do that at Ohio State. It seriously

724
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: limited his production. It's it's more he's not a volume player.

725
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: You guys have heard me talk about this, like he's

726
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: got to be. You use him in spots, third down,

727
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: two minute things like that. So Stevenson's stepping up and

728
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: returning to what he's been and I'm with you. I

729
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: think he's a solid early down back when he holds

730
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: onto the football. And seven total fumbles over his first

731
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: three years and then seven alone last year. That's jarring

732
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: and that trend cannot continue. But if he can get

733
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: back to holding onto the football, I think him in

734
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: Henderson is a good one two punch and then Gibson

735
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: factors in there as well, and I think he can

736
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: kind of spell both when needed. You almost throw him

737
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: that Rex Burke head role. But if Stevenson's putting the

738
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: ball on the ground, it changes everything. Like to me, ideally,

739
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: Ramondre Stevenson's usage rate is probably low to mid forty percent,

740
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: Traveon Henderson is high thirty to low forty percent, and

741
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: then Antonio Gibson makes up the difference forever he makes

742
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, that's what I think that ideally it

743
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: will look like. But you can't do that, seems and

744
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: can't hold onto the football.

745
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: The comparison that I keep on going back to with

746
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: Travon Henderson as Jamier Gibbs, maybe he's not as good

747
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 3: as Jamiir Gibbs. I think that remains to be seen.

748
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: But just from a usage standpoint and a skill set

749
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: role standpoint, I think they're very similar in terms of

750
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: how they should be used. Jamiir Gibbs has been fifty

751
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: to fifty five percent of the snaps.

752
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: He's Detroit fifty six last year. Yeah, that's that's I

753
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: don't know that. I'd have to see what touches are.

754
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: So he was his rookie year. I want to say

755
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: he averaged somewhere around fifteen or sixteen touches.

756
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: Again, he had two hundred thirty four touches. He had

757
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: three hundred two touches last year. I don't think you

758
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: can give Trayvon Henderson.

759
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: But that's also we're also talking about years down the line.

760
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: You know, Jamier Gibbs established himself.

761
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: I think that this is just kind of who Travon

762
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: Henderson is.

763
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: I think there's a chance that they can get there eventually.

764
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: For Travon Henderson, I just wouldn't do that to him

765
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 3: as a rookie. But it's different, Like, Jamiir Gibbs is

766
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: an established star in the league, so now obviously the

767
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: Lions are featuring him more out of the backfield as

768
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: a rookie. That wasn't as sssarily the case right out

769
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: of the gate, so they used deminted things. He's always

770
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: been right around fourteen fifteen, sixteen touches a game, Yeah,

771
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: and his impact is so big still because he's so

772
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: explosive and because he's so dynamic with the ball in

773
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: his hands that even though he doesn't play the entire game,

774
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: it still doesn't feel like you watch the Lions and

775
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: you're like, where's Jamir Gibbs been? Right, it's a massive

776
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: impact player, right, so I think you can still have

777
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: a massive impact.

778
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: Also side note, I just pulled up touches per year

779
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Dude, is how much the game has changed.

780
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: So last year, Saquon Barkley led the league three hundred

781
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: seventy eight touches, which was forty more than the previous season.

782
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: You go back just ten years, twenty fourteen to Marco

783
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: Murray had four hundred and fifty touches. I remember that

784
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: the Dallas covers go could you I don't know if

785
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: that's possible current NFY.

786
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: I remember DeMarco Murray was talk about fantasy DeMarco Murray

787
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: was the fantasy bat because of the volume that he

788
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: was getting. It was insane.

789
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: Eighteen hundred yards on the ground, another four hundred three

790
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: the air. Third that's dude, he had a So that

791
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: had been a that was a well earned offseason by

792
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray four hundred forty nine, Larry Johnson four hundred

793
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: and fifty seven going back to six, but that was

794
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: a different game.

795
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: So Jamiir Gibbs his rookie season, just to end this point,

796
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: he averaged twelve attempts rushing attempts and three and a

797
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: half catches per game, So right around sixteen touches per game.

798
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: The attempts, the rushing attempt seems a little high for

799
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: Travon Henderson. I think that's maybe a little bit too many,

800
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: but that feels about right. I would say, you know,

801
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: twelve to fifteen touches a game, most of them playing

802
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: in the subgame, you know, subpass game and getting the

803
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: ball to him in space and trying to limit the

804
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: between the tackles running and the body blows that he

805
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: takes from doing that. I think that's about right, and

806
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: I would expect that to stay stagnant, whereas this the

807
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: lead role, you know, the early down role is going

808
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: to change. I think if Vermondri's even scann hang onto

809
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: the ball, it's definitely going to change. I don't think

810
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: that this coaching staff is going to ride, ride or

811
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: die with Mandre. I think they like Antonio Gibson. I

812
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: think Antonio Gibson's a capable running back to step in

813
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: if they feel like they need to go that direction.

814
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: So Remandre is a little bit un notice there, all right,

815
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: next one here on my list, and then we'll get

816
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: to one of yours. What version of Stefan Diggs or

817
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: the Patriots getting Because this has been another one of

818
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: those that's been a very hot button topic this summer.

819
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: The beauty has been in the eye of the beholder.

820
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 3: With Stefan Diggs, it feels like everybody has a little

821
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: bit of a different take on how his training camp

822
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: went and how he looked in practice. I have been

823
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: box checked with Stefan Diggs all summer long. I think

824
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: he's looked exactly how I expected him to look. I

825
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 3: think he looks like he still has explosiveness. I think

826
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: he looks like he can still get open at this

827
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: level in this league, at his age and coming off

828
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: the injury. I have a very few concerns honestly about

829
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: Diggs on the field and what he's shown me in

830
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 3: training camp, But I'm a not necessarily in the majority

831
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: of there. I think a lot of other people feel differently.

832
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: So how do you feel about Stefan Diggs and what

833
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: version of Stefan Digs the Patriots are getting.

834
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm encouraged, you know, It's it's a much different setting

835
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: once you get into these games. But physically he looks

836
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: at better than you could expect given you know where

837
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: he's at coming off the injury. It's just a matter

838
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: of does that translate into games and once he starts

839
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: getting hit, you know, can he maintain? And it is

840
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: he going to start strong and fall off, But I

841
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: I didn't you know, when they sign him, I didn't

842
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: think he was gonna play week one. I thought he's

843
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: gonna open the sea'son pp and I didn't think we're

844
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: gonna see him camp or anything like that. And I

845
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: thought this question would be what happens when they get

846
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: Digs back. So he's not gonna be like prime Digs

847
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: like he was in Buffalo, but I still think he

848
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: can be. I still think he'd be a thousand yard receiver.

849
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: It's gonna look a little different. We've talked about this.

850
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: It's more of a chain move than a big play

851
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: threat at this point, but I'm I'm excited to see

852
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: what he can give him.

853
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: Eye test wise, I think he's passed during training camp,

854
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: and I just I see a guy that still definitely

855
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 3: has some juice in his legs and still looks explosive

856
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: and looks sharp coming out of cuts. So I really

857
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: have been pretty optimistic about what I've seen from Digs.

858
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: And I think part of my optimism too, stems from

859
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: the fact that Josh McDaniels is really really good at

860
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: getting receivers like Stefan Diggs open off the line of

861
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: scrimmage and finding different ways, whether it's between alignment, formation's motion,

862
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: stack spunches, things like that, that Steffan Diggs is just

863
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: going to get to the top of these routes and

864
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna have a two way go where he can

865
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: break in or break out to get open. There's gonna

866
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: be a pocket of space there for him, and I

867
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: just have a lot of confidence still that he can

868
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: do that at a very high level. I don't think

869
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: they're going to be asking Steffan Diggs too much to

870
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: be the backside receiver in a three by one and

871
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: just run by somebody on the outside. I don't. I

872
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: think they realize that he is more of that chain mover,

873
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: more of that flanker zero now where they are going

874
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: to move him around. And I think that combination of

875
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: McDaniel's combining some of the scheme tools that they can

876
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: use to get him open, and then Digs just savvy

877
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 3: and veteran savvy with his route running is a really

878
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: nice blend between coordinator and play caller and receiver. So

879
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: as long as Devon Diggs still has the juice and

880
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: is going to be one hundred percent healthy coming off

881
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: this knee injury. I don't really see any reason for

882
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: this not to work out. So I've heard a lot

883
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: of different things about digs and how he hasn't necessarily

884
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: put up a ton of practice production, you know, and

885
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: team drills and things like that, But just watching him

886
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: move and watching him practice, I feel like he is

887
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: more than past my eye test of what I expected

888
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: him to look like. And we'll see if it ends

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00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,719
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00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: So this is kind of my big picture question for

903
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: the team going Drake May is obviously the big one,

904
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: right where's Drake May at the other big one? I

905
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: wrote a column about this on ninety eight five the

906
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907
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: Is Look, it's not a hot take to say the

908
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: Patriots need to have a better draft class this year

909
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: and they've had. I get like, choker, Wow, the Patriots

910
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: need a draft better good take part. It's a little

911
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: different than that they can't better. It's not like, all right,

912
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: you know, they need some of these guys to hit

913
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: and build depth. Then there's some developmental players and we'll

914
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: see down the road. That's not what this is. That's

915
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: what it's been in past years. That's not what this

916
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: year is. They need a lot of these guys to hit,

917
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: and they need them to hit right away. I count

918
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: six rookies that are either going to start or be

919
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: in a heavy rotational role right away. There's not a

920
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: lot of plan and B like depth options behind most

921
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: of them. And then there's two more guys that probably

922
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: aren't in that position right away, but could get to

923
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: that situation relatively quickly. So just to go through the

924
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: list will Campbell, and look, will Campbell's fourth overall pick.

925
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: No matter the situation of the roster of the team,

926
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: the fourth overall pick, especially to premium position, that guy

927
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: should be starting. So this one's not at a character.

928
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: But what are the options behind Will Campbell if he

929
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work out or if he gets hurt, we'll get

930
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: to it. There's some, but there's not a lot. But

931
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: Will Campbell boom right there? Trayvon Henderson, we just talked

932
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: about him. Is he their main big play threat on offense?

933
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Pop can give him a little

934
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: bit of that, maybe digs, but he's their best big

935
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: play threat on offense. They have some other that can

936
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: help them kind of march their way down the field,

937
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: but that big play attack he's there. He's the guy.

938
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 3: He's their matchup weapon, like he's their biggest mismatch.

939
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: It looks a lot different offensively off Trevon Henderson does

940
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: not pan out, So that's two. Jared Wilson. All indications

941
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: are he's gonna be the starting left card and if

942
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: it's not, and he might end up playing at center

943
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: if Garret Bradbury continues to struggle, they have Ben Brown

944
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: behind him. That's kind of it. Cayden Wallas is a

945
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: converted tackle. He's mainly played on the right side, So

946
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: especially if Bradbury continues to struggle, Wilson has to work out.

947
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: Not much you can do if he doesn't. Craig Woodson,

948
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: now with your Bill Peppers trade, he's your starting strong

949
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: safety and he's gonna play a lot. He's gonna play

950
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: in the box, and he's gonna help play the run.

951
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: He's gonna help cover tight ends. Those are two things

952
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: they struggled with this summer. And then obviously have Andy

953
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: Burgallis is your starting kicker. There's no plan be there.

954
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: Uh, park talk about the kickers.

955
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Parker Romo not here anymore.

956
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 3: You not know Julian Ashby Love, You're gonna get the drum.

957
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: And I'm just going in the order of the draft

958
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: to the drafts. And then Julian Ashby the same thing.

959
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: He's a starting a long snapper. There's nobody else here.

960
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: And in a team they have the they are tied

961
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: for the most one possession losses in the last two years,

962
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: and I believe they have the seventh worst winning percentage

963
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: in those games. You want to get better, it starts

964
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: being better in one position games that a lot of

965
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: that is special teams, right, you miss a field goal

966
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: that can swing it, and you can miss the field

967
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: goal because of a bad kick. You can miss a

968
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: field goal because of a bad snap. If they're going

969
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: to get better, it starts with getting better at one

970
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: possession games. You're gonna be better at one possesion games.

971
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: It means being better in the kicking game. So those

972
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: two guys are in a key spot as well. So

973
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: that's Campbell, Henderson, Wilson Woodson, Borgalis Ashby who are either

974
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: starting or if not starting, because I think the concept

975
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: of a starting running back unless you're Derek Henry, doesn't

976
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: really mean anything in heavy rotational roles. Then you have

977
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, who it looks like they're base eleven to

978
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: start the season, is going to be booty digs and

979
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: Pop mac hollins is going to mix in there as well.

980
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: So it's a little tougher to tell exactly where Kyle

981
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: Williams sits in that in that depth chart just because

982
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: and using the not the unofficial depth like really what

983
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: they're doing, right, He missed the last two weeks of

984
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: camp because he got hurt in the Minnesota game, so

985
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: it's tougher to tell, but they're gonna need his speed.

986
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna need a speed, They're gonna need his ability

987
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: after the catch. He is going to work his way

988
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: to that rotation at some point during the year. And injuries.

989
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: You know, Pop Douglas has had some troubles staying on

990
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: the field. Diggs is coming off the ACL. Those are

991
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: probably the two guys who were chiefly in front of them.

992
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna need Kyle Williams play meaningful stamps for them

993
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: at some point this year. And then the other guy

994
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: is Marcus Bryant. Marcus Bryant ideally plays no snaps this

995
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: year because he's the third tackle and you want your

996
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 1: starters to start. Do you know how many tackles played

997
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: all seventeen games in the NFL last year?

998
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: Not many?

999
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: I bet seventeen. And of those seventeen, there's only two

1000
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: sets of teammates. The Saints had both starting tackles play

1001
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: all seventeen games in the Packers had both starting tackles

1002
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: play all seventeen games. That's it. So odds are Marcus

1003
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: Bryant's gonna have to play at some point and he's

1004
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to start at some point. He's clearly the

1005
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: top backup right tackle behind Morgan Moses. Left tackle. They

1006
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: do still have Darien Lowe, but I wonder, Evan, just

1007
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: given the way this coaching staff has approached players they inherited,

1008
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: if Marcus Bryant will get the first crack at that

1009
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: if Will Campbell gets hurt, now maybe he has, you know,

1010
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: a shorter leash at left tackle then he does on

1011
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: the right side with her Darien Lowe still there. But

1012
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: odds are he's gonna Marcus Bryant's probably gonna start a

1013
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: game or two at least for this team at some

1014
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: point this season especially. That's just what history tells us

1015
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: the way again, seventeen, that's it. That's both sides. Seventeen

1016
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: of sixty four tackles last year started all seventeen games.

1017
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: So you're gonna probably see him at some point. So

1018
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: that's six rookies starting or an impact roles right away.

1019
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams will be in one, should be in one

1020
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: at some point. You hope Marcus Bryant's not, but odds

1021
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: are he will be. This is not hey, they're developmental players.

1022
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: You know he's going to grow into this role Bill

1023
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: Belichick used to ease the rookies in, there's a veteran

1024
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: there alongside him as either plan A or a solid

1025
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: play and B and okay, well if he doesn't hit

1026
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: right away, we have a options and there's time. That's

1027
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 1: when we talk about draft classes hitting in the past.

1028
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: A lot of it is you look at last year's class,

1029
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: Javon Baker, developmental player, that twenty twenty two class that

1030
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: didn't pan out. There were developmental players there that Okay, well,

1031
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: he's probably not going to make an impact a year one,

1032
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean the pick isn't a hit. You know,

1033
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: if he and obviously a lot of these guys didn't,

1034
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: but comes along in year two, year three, he's going

1035
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: to replace this veteran that's on the roster. And that

1036
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: was the plan. You're drafting a guy year two early,

1037
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: and that can be a successful draft in some context. Now,

1038
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: this isn't totally uncommon for a team that's churning, like

1039
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: turning over their roster as much as the Patriots have,

1040
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: but this is where they're at. These are not developmental players.

1041
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: These are guys that if the Patriots are going to

1042
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: be you know, really make a playoff push. The majority

1043
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: of these guys, if not all, have to hit right away.

1044
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: It's obviously not binary, it's not all or none. But

1045
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: they're going to need a lot of these guys to

1046
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: be starting caliber players as rookies. Sorry, that's the whole rank.

1047
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 3: No, that's fine. It was a good rant. I think

1048
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that you just mentioned there at the

1049
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: end that stands out to me is starting caliber. It's

1050
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: one thing to be playing right, it's another thing to

1051
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: be playing well. And I think that's what we've seen

1052
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: in these last couple of draft classes, is that guys

1053
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: have maybe been playing because the depth on the roster

1054
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 3: didn't allow them time to not play and develop in

1055
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 3: the behind the scenes. Like maybe they didn't win at

1056
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: the height of the dynasty when they just had droves

1057
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 3: of depth. For example, last year, Laden Robinson, he was playing,

1058
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: Was he playing well? But I would even say that

1059
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: last year's draft, like the jam Bulk was playing, But

1060
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: was he? Was he good?

1061
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: But they had it and maybe they obviously weren't great,

1062
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: but they had playing b's for some of those guys.

1063
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: They had Kendrick Bourne coming off i R. They had

1064
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: kJ Osborne who didn't work out, but was a veteran

1065
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: who had you know, played in the league.

1066
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: To me, isn't like Booty and Mac Collins like those guys.

1067
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: So at wide receiver. Sure, And that's why I didn't

1068
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: include Kyle Williams on my list of the six reel

1069
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: impact guys. Who is the Kendrick Bourne coming off I

1070
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: or to rescue the team of big play threats on offense?

1071
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: Or Trevon Henderson who is the Hendrick Bourne at left guard?

1072
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out for Jared Wilson, that's fair there,

1073
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: And like you can say it might be Ben Brown there,

1074
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: but okay, what if Garrett Bradbury doesn't work at center?

1075
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: Well we'll get to that.

1076
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: But I see Kendrick Bourne, I guess that would be.

1077
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: Co Yeah, And I think we're on in the same

1078
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: the same spot with it, Like they don't they need

1079
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: these rookies to be good. Like it's not that they can't.

1080
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: They can't just be out there, they can't just be

1081
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 3: taken out space. They need to actually play and play well.

1082
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: And it's it's different than your average, But the point

1083
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: is it's every year you want your rookies to be good.

1084
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: But most years, most teams and again this is not

1085
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: unique to the Patriots. This is not something that's unprecedented.

1086
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: But most years, most teams, Okay, well, if this guy

1087
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: isn't great from the beginning, we have other veterans we

1088
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: can put in there, or we can, you know, kind

1089
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: of cover him or whatever we can. He there's more

1090
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: time from development. If he doesn't really hit that stride

1091
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: in a year two, it's okay. He can still be

1092
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: his success. We can still be successful as a team

1093
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: this year without him. Can the Patriots still be successful

1094
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: without these guys being good players?

1095
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 3: I would say no to Campbell and Henderson. Those two guys, though,

1096
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: were drafted in the top forty and they should be

1097
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 3: immediate impact players. I guess in hindsight now that Jabrill

1098
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 3: Peppers has gone, Craig Woodson has a lot on his plate.

1099
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you could still go back

1100
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: to Kyle Duggart and he's still here. Jared Wilson is

1101
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: another one that probably is in a similar boat as

1102
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: Henderson and Campbell, because it's Ben Brown, it's Kaden Wallace,

1103
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: like those are their backups right now, and you would

1104
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: like to think that Jared Wilson is better than those

1105
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: two guys, and.

1106
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: Then the kicker and the long snapper. Of course, those guys,

1107
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: they just have to be good like there's no consider

1108
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: there's nobody walking through the door. So yes, two special

1109
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: teams players. Six sounds like a dramatic number. Two special

1110
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: teams players kind of dress it up, but it is fair.

1111
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: The rookies don't have to hit. They have to hit

1112
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: right away, and they have.

1113
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: To play like they have to be good like again,

1114
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the times two things happen. One,

1115
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 3: they keep the majority of the draft class on the

1116
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: roster and everybody it's like, oh, good, good draft class.

1117
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: They everybody made the team like that, that's not the bar.

1118
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: And the other thing is, oh, the rookies are playing okay,

1119
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 3: but how are they playing right like? It's again, it's

1120
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: one thing to just play. You can play guys like

1121
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: Polk played, Leiden Robinson played, obviously Drake played like guys

1122
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 3: played last year from the rookie class. And now a

1123
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 3: year later, how do we feel about the twenty twenty

1124
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: five rookie class or twenty twenty four excuse me, outside

1125
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: of the quarterback, not very good. So they have to

1126
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: play it and they have to pan out and that's

1127
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: a big part of this whole thing right now for

1128
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel, and not to change gears here at all,

1129
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: but he was asked on your rival station on the

1130
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 3: EI about the Micah Parsons trade and whether or not

1131
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: the Patriots were in the Micah Parsons sweepstakes, and Rabel

1132
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: brought it up. He said, we need, we need to

1133
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: We need draft picks, like we need to hit on

1134
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: these draft picks. We need to develop talent. We need

1135
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: high first round picks. We need depth on this roster,

1136
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: and we're not in a position yet to be giving

1137
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: away draft picks. That's a really big part of this

1138
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: entire thing. It's probably the biggest part, frankly, of the

1139
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: entire thing and this whole thing working is can they

1140
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 3: start drafting and developing their own players again? Can they

1141
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 3: have homegrown talent where every two or three years they

1142
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 3: don't have to dip back into free agency and spend

1143
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: three hundred million dollars on day one of free agency

1144
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 3: to replenish the top of the roster because they missed

1145
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: on a bunch of draft picks. They can't keep having

1146
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: that happen. They got to have homegrown talent. They got

1147
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: to develop homegrown talent. Now my next one here on

1148
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: the offensive line. He brought up the rookie offensive lineman

1149
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 3: on the left side. I think that gets a lot

1150
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 3: of talk, and rightfully so. I'm actually maybe a little

1151
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: bit more optimistic about that too, because maybe it's just

1152
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: who they're replacing in the bar being so low of

1153
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: them being better than what they've had at left tackle

1154
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 3: and left guard over the last couple of years. But

1155
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 3: at the same time, I would much rather take the

1156
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 3: talent that Will Campbell and Jared Wilson are bringing to

1157
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 3: the table and live with some of the rookie growing

1158
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 3: pains that are inevitable than what they've had the last

1159
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: couple of years. I'd much rather take their arc of

1160
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 3: development versus Vederian Loewe and Laden Robinson's. I think they're

1161
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: just so significantly better than the guys that they're replacing

1162
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: just from a talent standpoint. I'm not saying it's going

1163
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 3: to be perfect. Just from a talent standpoint that I'm

1164
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 3: willing to give them some grace and let that go.

1165
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 3: The one thing that I would be concerned about right

1166
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 3: now on the offensive line is center. I think Garrett Bradbury.

1167
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: In my question with Garrett Bradbury is does Garrett Bradbury

1168
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: maintain the starting center job, but can he hold on

1169
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: to that job for the duration of the season, of course,

1170
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 3: taking injuries out of this, right, does Garrett Bradbury survive

1171
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: the season at center? Because if he doesn't, and he's

1172
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: a liability to the point where they have to replace

1173
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 3: Garrett Bradbury at center, We've been down this road before

1174
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 3: where that becomes a house of cards. Like now all

1175
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're moving people around, You're putting Ben

1176
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: Brown in the starting lineup, or you're kicking Jared Wilson

1177
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 3: over a spot to center after he's been playing left

1178
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 3: guard for eight weeks, and you're doing this whole thing

1179
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: that they often got in trouble with, for example with

1180
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 3: Mike on Winnu, where there it was inside outside, inside outside.

1181
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 3: You would love health permitted to just put Jared Wilson

1182
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: and Will Campbell on the left side and leave him

1183
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: there for seventeen weeks and not mess with those two guys.

1184
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: But if Garrett Bradbury can't hold up at center, then

1185
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: it creates this potential house of cards or shuffle where

1186
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: now everybody's starting to kind of move around there on

1187
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 3: the interior. So where's your faith right now? Like, where's

1188
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: your level of concern with Garrett Bradbury.

1189
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna be the guy. You know, we

1190
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: talked about this. They're past the point where they can

1191
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: switch it. It's tied into Jared Wilson. If if Jared

1192
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: Wilson's solid and you can just plug Ben Brown in there,

1193
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: I think Ben Brown's a capable starting center. Like I

1194
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: guess the faith in Bradbury is. I'm not convinced he's

1195
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: going to be their starting center for seventeen games, even

1196
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: injury aside. If Jared Wilson slid, you can plug Ben

1197
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: Brown and then he gives you more or less what

1198
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: he gave you last year. I think they'll be fine.

1199
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: If you're also worried about left guard, it gets a

1200
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: lot trickier. And now maybe you're more hesitant to Paul

1201
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: Garrett Bradbury because who do you want to You know,

1202
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: now you decide who do you basically leave out there

1203
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: to struggle. Do you put the rookie out there and risk,

1204
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, upsetting his confidence for the long term, or

1205
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: do you leave the veteran out there, even if he's

1206
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: maybe a slightly worse player. So if Jared Wilson hits,

1207
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: I feel good about their their center position even if

1208
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: he's not there. But I Bradbury, somebody will be keeping

1209
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: an eye on early, Like I don't feel like he

1210
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: has a strong stronghold on that job.

1211
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: No, no, do I. And it just goes back to

1212
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 3: like a Skarnak thing where a continuity on the offensive

1213
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 3: line is so important and it might not be your

1214
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: most talented five players on paper that end up being

1215
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: your best five on the offensive line, But if they

1216
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 3: can play on a string, and if they can play

1217
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 3: together and they have that continuity and they're seeing it

1218
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: through the same set of eyes, like that can trump

1219
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: talent at that position because it's a five man unit

1220
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: versus one, you know, individual player. So there might be

1221
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 3: a case to be made that Ben Brown is better

1222
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 3: than Garrett Bradbury anyways, just individually, he's just a better player.

1223
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 3: But I think the better case would probably be that

1224
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: maybe Ben Brown is just better suited to be the

1225
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 3: center in the current real time you know, current time here.

1226
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: So we'll see what ends up happening with Bradbury. There's

1227
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: some optimism about his run blocking based off the preseason,

1228
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: but we all know that play strength and holding up

1229
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: against bigger bodies on the interior is going to be

1230
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: the number one question. Is he getting walk back into

1231
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 3: the quarterback? Is he able to dig out and move

1232
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 3: nose tackles like that. That's really where it starts an

1233
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: end with Kerrett Bradberry. So we'll see if he ends

1234
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 3: up holding down the position. Ben Browns had a nice summer,

1235
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: so maybe you can be a little bit optimistic about

1236
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: what he could bring to the table. But if I

1237
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: had to say my biggest concern on the offensive line,

1238
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: it's not the rookie left side, it's center. I really

1239
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 3: feel like the rookie left side is gonna do its thing.

1240
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: It's gonna have some highs, it's gonna have some lows.

1241
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: But overall, over the course of seventeen games, assuming those

1242
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: two guys stay healthy, it's gonna be better. It's gonna

1243
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 3: be improved from what they have. And that's the baseline

1244
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: for right now. Center. I don't know if it's gonna

1245
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: be better than last year, and that's gonna be a

1246
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: big question mark for the team. All right, let's move

1247
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: over to the defense. We probably should go a little

1248
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: bit faster than we've been going, honestly, But let's move

1249
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 3: over to the defense here. I have a couple of

1250
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: defense more health related type things. I think this storyline

1251
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: Alex and we brought it up yesterday on Patriots Unfiltered,

1252
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: and maybe kind of feel even stronger about it. Christian

1253
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: Barmore and his health status, his ability. I would say,

1254
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 3: less so to be out there, but more so to

1255
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 3: be fully locked in Christian Barmore and be able to

1256
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: give them seventy five eighty percent of the snaps and

1257
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 3: play that much and play it at a high level

1258
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 3: like we know he's capable of doing from earlier on

1259
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: in his career before the blood colts popped up. He

1260
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 3: has been sneakily on a pitch count all summer long

1261
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 3: in practice where some practices he's participating in full and

1262
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: some he is not. I don't because of what's been

1263
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 3: going on with Gonzales and then obviously all of the

1264
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: question marks on the offensive side of the ball. I

1265
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: feel like this has flown under the radar with Christian Barmore,

1266
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: that are they going to get a fully healthy, full

1267
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: go Christian Barmore come Week one against the Las Vegas Raiders.

1268
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 3: I think still remains to be seen a little bit.

1269
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: I think he looks right when he's out there. I

1270
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: think you're going to get a fully healthy Christian Barmore.

1271
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: The question is how much of him do you get?

1272
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: To your point about the pitch count? Is he out there?

1273
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what his snap percent which was

1274
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: his last fully healthy season. Obviously last year you kind

1275
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: of throw that out. Good for him getting back, but

1276
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: he was he was managed that whole time. So he

1277
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: played sixty six percent of snaps in twenty twenty three,

1278
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: which was a career high. Do you get him forty

1279
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: percent of the time, fifty percent of the time, sixty

1280
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: percent of the time. Like I think, when he's out there,

1281
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna be really good, because he looked really good

1282
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: this summer when he was out there. I'm not super

1283
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: worried about that thing. It's more just does the pitch

1284
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: count continue into regular season games?

1285
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 3: And early on in the season, guys rotate all the time,

1286
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 3: Like we're Week one, it's going to be a big rotation.

1287
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: And you know what, one sixty six percent is pretty

1288
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: high for an interior defensive lineman. So if he's up

1289
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: over sixty percent. I would consider that a full go.

1290
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would wait to judge this question for about

1291
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 3: a month or so, because we won. Is always a

1292
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 3: heavy rotation.

1293
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: I'd wait to judge most of these questions for a month.

1294
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, nobody has played a full game from start

1295
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: to finish yet, so no one I accept. Maybe the

1296
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: quarterback is going to play every single snap on Sunday,

1297
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 3: I would say, And sometimes the offensive line, you know,

1298
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: guys like on when Wu like he might play, you know,

1299
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: the whole duration, Campbell Moses like, those guys might play

1300
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 3: the whole way. But a lot of the times that

1301
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 3: doesn't happen, even on the offensive line. So Week one

1302
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 3: is always a crapshoot when it comes to that. And

1303
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: then Week two is going to be one hundred and

1304
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: ten degrees in Miami, so there's gonna be another rotation there,

1305
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 3: whether it's conditioning wise just because it's early on in

1306
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 3: the season, or weather wise being down in Miami in September,

1307
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: that's going to be a factor as well. So when

1308
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 3: you put those two things together, or at least going

1309
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 3: into week three before we know fully are these guys

1310
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 3: going to be full tilt as Christian barm Or one

1311
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 3: hundred percent cleared and healthy, so we'll see what ends

1312
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 3: up happening. But his snap count, his pitch count during

1313
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: training camp. Again, I think, you know, other stories have

1314
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 3: sort of pushed this down, Like if there was no

1315
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: Gonzales thing, if Jabrill Peppers did not get cut on

1316
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 3: a Friday afternoon after cut down day, then like these

1317
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: things would probably be bigger stories. Diggs obviously is a

1318
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: huge story, but Barmore's snapcount, pitch count, whatever you want

1319
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 3: to call it, and just overall effectiveness. They need Christian

1320
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 3: Barmore to be the twenty twenty three version of Christian Barmore,

1321
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 3: the guy that played last year. All the kudos in

1322
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,959
Speaker 3: the world for him get getting back, but he would

1323
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: be the first to admit that he was a shell

1324
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: of himself last year. He did not look like the

1325
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 3: dominant force that he can be if he's at the

1326
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 3: best of his ability. Christian Barmore is a better player

1327
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 3: than Milton Williams, like, Christian Barmore is their best defensive

1328
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: lineman if he's full peak Christian Barmore like in twenty

1329
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 3: twenty three. So I think it's a big part of it.

1330
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: I think they need Christian Barmore to be his usual

1331
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: wrecking self. So that leads us to the other big

1332
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 3: injury one that is probably the story of the day

1333
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 3: right now with the Patriots, and that's the status of

1334
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 3: Christian Gonzalez. We will be out at practice alex in

1335
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 3: a couple of hours here and we'll see whether or

1336
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,479
Speaker 3: not Christian Gonzalez is there with the rest of the team.

1337
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 3: He was not out there on Monday. It's been over

1338
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: a month now. July twenty eighth was the last time

1339
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: he practiced for the Patriots. I know, there's your station

1340
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: has a lot of tinfoil hat theories going on now

1341
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 3: about why he hasn't been out there. You knows it.

1342
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: Could it be contract related, all those types of things.

1343
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 3: We can explain that here in a second. But overall,

1344
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 3: where's your panic meter right now with Christian Gonzales.

1345
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: So I was saying I'd go from from lowercase W

1346
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: to upper kasew worried if he wasn't out here today.

1347
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: Vrabel kind of sounding less optimistic about it on Monday,

1348
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: maybe accelerated that process. He's out here today. I'm not worried,

1349
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: Like this is the first real they've been getting ready

1350
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: for the Raiders for a couple weeks now, but this

1351
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: is the first real you know, getting into it game

1352
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: week like practice. So he's out there. It's not a

1353
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: position where and I think we talked about this with

1354
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis during camp, It's not a position where in

1355
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: the context of the defense, Okay, he needs to be

1356
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: out there, and he needs to be immersed in the

1357
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: scheme and this and that. Like Rabel has said, they're

1358
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: gonna play a lot of man coverage. It's study your opponent,

1359
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: pick up on his route tree, his tendencies, his nuances,

1360
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: know what he's gonna do. It's more tell me, this

1361
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: is unfair to say Evan Corner. At least the way

1362
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have Gonzales play is more of

1363
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: a film room preparation position than a practice field preparation position.

1364
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: Would you agree with out on an island by right, So, like,

1365
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: obviously there's being in physical shape and he has run

1366
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: with the receiver in a month, that's you'd like him

1367
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: to get out there to kind of get that going.

1368
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: But if he's out there today, all right, like he's

1369
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: out there for the full week, what's essentially the full

1370
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: week of practice. He's very talented. I'm not super worried

1371
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: about him missing time beyond basic conditioning stuff. It's not

1372
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: out there today, I mean the and it's a new

1373
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: coaching staff, so we'll see how they handle things, because

1374
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: every staff's a little different and this is something we'll

1375
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: kind of try to pick up on over the course

1376
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: of the season. But generally across the league, when guys

1377
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: don't practice on Wednesday, what's the rate of those guys

1378
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: playing unless it's a designated rest day. I think the

1379
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: percentage is relatively low. So you want to see him

1380
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: back out there today, But we'll see.

1381
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's one hundred percent to me a conditioning

1382
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 3: thing and not a mental locked into the game plan thing.

1383
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: Because for a guy like Christian Gonzalez, even against the Raiders,

1384
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 3: who don't necessarily really have they don't have DeVante Adams anymore,

1385
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 3: right that he has like a more key matchup per

1386
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 3: se on the outside. But they're gonna say to Christian Gonzalez, like,

1387
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 3: you have Jacobe Myers, right, or you have Dante Thoron,

1388
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 3: or you have next week, you have Hill, you have

1389
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill, and there that all his preparation, like you mentioned,

1390
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 3: comes from watching cutups of those guys run routes like that.

1391
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 3: That's what it is. It's film study, it's tendencies, it's

1392
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 3: all that kind of thing. You are at corner. You're

1393
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 3: really on an island, Like it really is not a

1394
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 3: whole lot of you know, chemistry with other guys and play.

1395
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: It's not really all that. Like there's corners that I

1396
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 3: think ty Law used to be like famous for this.

1397
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 3: Like he'd stand up in the defensive meeting, he'd like

1398
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 3: kind of hit the desk a little and he said,

1399
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 3: I got Eric Mold.

1400
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: What's the story, right, I'm tie I think I'm Tye Law.

1401
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: I got Marvin Harrison and that's.

1402
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: The later I'll see you Sunday. Ty Law is so cool, right,

1403
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: So like that that I think is where Gonzalez is

1404
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 3: at second team All Pro. He's at that level. The

1405
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 3: one question that comes up with Gonzales, Uh, now that

1406
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 3: we've given that part of the take, this is your

1407
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 3: station's fall your station.

1408
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: So I have a take on this, go ahead, but

1409
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: I actually I have a legitimate question few on this.

1410
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 3: So Scott emailed in and he kind of set the

1411
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 3: table on this question. Do we have any inkling from

1412
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: a tinfoil hat perspective that this is contract related for

1413
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 3: Christian Gonzales. So to answer Scott's direct question, he's not

1414
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 3: extension eligible until next offseason, right, going into your fourth

1415
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 3: year of your rookie contract. So he has to play

1416
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 3: this year on the rookie deal.

1417
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: No matter what he can't get he can they cannot

1418
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: pay him.

1419
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 3: Yet, right, CBA thing can't pay him. So in theory,

1420
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 3: like this year could be a quote unquote contract year,

1421
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 3: you could look at it that way for Christian Gonzales.

1422
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 3: But to me, if I'm Christian Gonzales, in just in general,

1423
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 3: with Christian Gonzales, the biggest thing that's holding him back

1424
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 3: from getting an absolute bag is availability with it. There's

1425
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 3: no question whatsoever about performance when he's on the field,

1426
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 3: whether it was the first month his rookie season or

1427
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 3: it was all last year. He is an all pro

1428
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 3: caliber corner. So it's not going to come down to

1429
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 3: whether or not he's worth the money. What it's going

1430
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 3: to come down to is whether or not he's available

1431
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 3: to the team. So to me, holding out or sitting out,

1432
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 3: and I guess you could say, well, he comes back

1433
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 3: too early and he tweaks the hamstring again. Now he's

1434
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 3: missing games, YadA, YadA, YadA. But if he's not out

1435
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: there today, he's missing games already. So I think the

1436
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 3: biggest thing that Christian Gonzales can do to prove that

1437
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 3: he is worth the money that he performance wise has

1438
01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 3: rightfully earned next off season is be available. Keeping himself

1439
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 3: off the field is the opposite.

1440
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm with you, like what hurts his value more if

1441
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: he plays ten to twelve games but he plays them

1442
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: at the level he played last year better, or he

1443
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: plays sixteen or seventeen games but he's like eighty percent

1444
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: of the player he was last year, which one hurts

1445
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: him more contractually not being available right the fewer games.

1446
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: So sauce Gardner was not very good last year, like relative,

1447
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: he was not an all.

1448
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 3: That's the guy that Gains brought up, is that sauce Gardener.

1449
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: Some people think that sauce Gardner made a business decision

1450
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 3: to ease up a little bit last year, which also

1451
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense.

1452
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: But it was his first year. He was an All

1453
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: Pro the two years prior. He wasn't All Pro last year,

1454
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: but he still got paid because he's out there and

1455
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: it's on tape and I think last year's tape is

1456
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: going to speak a ton now Gonzalz can't go out

1457
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: there and suck right like, he's still got to be good.

1458
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: But I think the availability is a bigger question than

1459
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: the ability at this point. Now that's what we think.

1460
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: Maybe him and his team see it differently. At the

1461
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: end of the day, it only matters what he thinks

1462
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: in that regard to the other.

1463
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 3: Side of it is is that if he comes back

1464
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,799
Speaker 3: too soon and he rushes back and then he tweaks

1465
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: the hamstring worse in a game, then now he's missing.

1466
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: Well, so that's the other side of it. What's what's

1467
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: you know? You weigh this. Let's even call two games,

1468
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: right because in my if it's a hamstring thing in Miami,

1469
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: it's hot, you can cramp up. You worry about that

1470
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: he misses the first two games of the year, but

1471
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: then he's available the rest of the season full go

1472
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Or you rush him back for this

1473
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: week or next week and he aggravates the hamstring and

1474
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: now he misses six weeks. Right, I'd rather he miss

1475
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: the two games. I'd rather he just miss less time.

1476
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: They need him for more games. So I am okay

1477
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: with them being cautious. If that's what this is. Obviously,

1478
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: if he's not practicing because of his contract, like that's

1479
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: not what you want, Well, I don't think that's what

1480
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: it is. I think it's him being cautious. I also

1481
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: think they're being cautious with their best player if he's

1482
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: availed a problem with that.

1483
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 3: If he's available for the majority of the season and

1484
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 3: he plays like he did last year, he's gonna get paid.

1485
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: He's gonna get the biggest contract of cornerbacks ever gotten.

1486
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 3: He's gonna get the money. So I just I don't

1487
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 3: think that there's enough incentive this early on. If this

1488
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 3: was next offseason and he still hadn't signed an extension

1489
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 3: yet and he was had a tweet tam String, that's

1490
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: a totally different story. But to do that a year

1491
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 3: at advance, I just I think that's that's a little

1492
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 3: bit too you know, conspiracy theory. For me, we have

1493
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: to take a break. But there's one last thing that

1494
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 3: we had on our list and isn't going to be

1495
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 3: quick because it's a special teams thing. Well, what's your

1496
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 3: kickoffs thing? Go forward?

1497
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: Well, let's just see like they changed their rule. It's

1498
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: a thirty five yard touchback. This is going to be

1499
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: a bigger play then it's been in the past, and

1500
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: how does that ultimately look. I think this play can

1501
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: be a weapon for teams that are good at it.

1502
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: You can steal seven points and the Patriots look good

1503
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: at it in the preseason. So how much of the

1504
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: preseason was teams testing things versus teams maybe not wanting

1505
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: to show their full hand of what they're going to do.

1506
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: We'll see, But can it seemed like Jeremy Springer and

1507
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: that unit had a great camp. Can they make that

1508
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: kickoff on both sides? Can they make that kickoff play

1509
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: a weapon? Can they make it a weapon for the

1510
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: offense and create short fields and put points on the board,

1511
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: And can they make it a weapon for the defense

1512
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 1: and create long fields for the opponent. I love that

1513
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: they saved the kickoff instead of getting rid of it. Obviously, yes,

1514
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, the old format was great, but

1515
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: that was just for a number of reasons, never going

1516
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: to last. I think this new format, when you get

1517
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: past how weird it looks initially, is a real true

1518
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 1: football play and that's enjoyable to watch. I want to

1519
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: see if the Patriots can take advantage of maybe seemingly

1520
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: getting ahead of it a little bit.

1521
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 3: My quick take on this, I think they have multiple guys,

1522
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 3: but they're probably going to start out with Henderson and

1523
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 3: Antonio Gibson that are actually really well suited for big

1524
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 3: returns in this new format. I think that's an advantage

1525
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 3: for them. I think they actually have really good returners

1526
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 3: you can throw and they haven't done this yet with

1527
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones, But Marcus Jones we know is a great

1528
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: punt returner, and I don't think it would be I

1529
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 3: think it would translate for him on kickoffs if they

1530
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 3: wanted to go that direction as well. So they have

1531
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 3: multiple guys that I feel like can be really good

1532
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 3: at this and be factors to your point on it.

1533
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 3: And because of the way the new rule is set up,

1534
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 3: it's inviting returns like they want more returns. So if

1535
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 3: you are forcing teams to put the ball in play

1536
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 3: and the Patriots have two dynamic returners back there, then

1537
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 3: that is an advantage, maybe more so than what it

1538
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 3: has been in the past. So I look at it

1539
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 3: and I think that this is going to be more

1540
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 3: of a live play this year. I think this is

1541
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 3: going to be more legitimate of a factor because if

1542
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 3: you fly the ball into the end zone, it's the

1543
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 3: thirty five yard line right as the touchback. Like that,

1544
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 3: that's a big difference in field position. If you fly

1545
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 3: the ball right out of the back of the end

1546
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 3: zone and take the touch back, you only got to

1547
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 3: go like it, that's sixty five yards for a touchdown.

1548
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 3: But the way kickers can kick the ball now field

1549
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 3: goal kickers, Like, how long are you really having to

1550
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 3: go to get points on the ball?

1551
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 4: Right?

1552
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 3: It's not that much. So I think this is going

1553
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 3: to be a big deal. I think there's gonna be

1554
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 3: a lot more balls in play from a kickoff perspect

1555
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 3: given the Patriots in the preseason, especially with Henderson, but

1556
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 3: in general they have good returners, so this could be

1557
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 3: an advantage for the team. That's maybe it was a

1558
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 3: bigger deal now with the new rules than it has

1559
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 3: been in the past, because I know a lot of

1560
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 3: people roll their eyes at this kind of stuff when

1561
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,520
Speaker 3: we talk about special teams.

1562
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: But no, this is an important thing. This is you

1563
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: and different now.

1564
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 3: I am wondering, though, really quickly, if this ends up

1565
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 3: being too much of an impact on the game, Like

1566
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,520
Speaker 3: there's just big returns all over the place might be exciting,

1567
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 3: but I don't necessarily think that's what the league had

1568
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 3: in mind when they put his rule in. Is that

1569
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the game is being decided on

1570
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 3: kickoff returns. I don't think that that was the goal.

1571
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 3: So if that's the case, then I wonder if it

1572
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 3: becomes tweaked again next offseason. If all of a sudden, guys,

1573
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 3: everybody looks like Corderyl Patterson and there's just returns left

1574
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 3: and right, I don't know if that's exactly what they

1575
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 3: had in mind. All Right, we have to take a

1576
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Speaker 3: quick break and then we'll come right back and we'll

1577
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Speaker 3: get onto the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: on hold for a while. Patty is an ag on

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Speaker 9: Thanks good?

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Speaker 3: How are we doing?

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Speaker 5: I am doing all Really, I just wanted to kind

1635
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 5: of read earlier this preseason where I met you guys.

1636
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 5: I do have a couple of questions, but I just

1637
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 5: wanted to say, like Evan, I meant what I said

1638
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 5: to you when I said you're the best stam analyst

1639
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 5: in the league, Alex I approached you, you had to

1640
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 5: look in your eye like, who the hell is this

1641
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 5: weirdo coming towards me?

1642
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry about that. It always takes me.

1643
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Speaker 5: Man.

1644
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: You hear voices, but you don't see faces.

1645
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 5: So yeah, right, But you know, I was lucky enough

1646
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 5: to take in two practices and it was awesome. It

1647
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 5: was a great experience just all around. I got a

1648
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 5: really good feeling about this team this year. But onto

1649
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 5: the questions. The first one is, how do you guys

1650
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 5: feel like they're going to defend brock Howers? Because to me,

1651
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 5: I mean, Ashon Gent's a big unknown, but brock Bowers

1652
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 5: is by far their best skilled player. You know, do

1653
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 5: you do you think they cover them? Trying to cover

1654
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 5: them one on one with Flame, which I think would

1655
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 5: be a mistake. Do you think they pepper him with

1656
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 5: Woodson or Hawkins and possibly Alex Austin in the slot

1657
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 5: and just like take turns and see you as better.

1658
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 5: And this is a little bit more question for Evan

1659
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 5: because Alex, past two weeks I've thrown some questions at you.

1660
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 5: And by the way, Nick Carver, I want that guy

1661
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 5: that he should add two touchdowns. But do you think

1662
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 5: the key to winning this game, Evan? It will both

1663
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 5: of you, but Evan, you could probably go in a

1664
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 5: little bit more detail is coming out and playing predominantly

1665
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 5: in twenty one personnel and kind of taking the game

1666
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 5: to the Raiders, the kind of game that the Raiders

1667
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 5: want to play, because you know, Carol's gonna want to

1668
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 5: establish the run. They're gonna want to ram the rookie

1669
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 5: right down our throats. But just you know, take that,

1670
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 5: take that and take it to them and sort of like,

1671
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 5: you know, beat them at their own game and be

1672
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 5: the more physical team. I'll take it off there, guys.

1673
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 3: Thanks Patty, I had two good questions. Let's talk a

1674
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 3: little bit about Bowers now, and I'm sure we're gonna

1675
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 3: do key matchups. I'm assuming he was on both of

1676
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 3: our lists of how you're going to match up against

1677
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 3: him anyway, so we can just get this out of

1678
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 3: the way with Bowers. This is a really fun first

1679
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 3: test because I don't think the Raiders roster talent outside

1680
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 3: of their big names like Bowers and Max Crosby, is overwhelming.

1681
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 3: But they have two guys and Bowers and Crosby, who

1682
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 3: are two guys that just profile as players that could

1683
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 3: give the Patriots problems. So in a vacuum, it's like

1684
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 3: a good first matchup because it's one I think it

1685
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 3: shows you who's capable of covering tight ends that are

1686
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 3: as dynamic as Bowers on the roster. But it also

1687
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 3: shows us the first game plan of the Mike Rabel era,

1688
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 3: Right are they going to be bellichicking in and how

1689
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 3: they game plan where they are going to have a

1690
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 3: unique wrinkle for brock Bauers, especially in passing situations they're

1691
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 3: down two minute whatever, or are they going to kind

1692
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 3: of play their base coverages and play their defense and

1693
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 3: just think that the system is going to be able

1694
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 3: to hold up against the guy like Bowers. I tend

1695
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 3: to think it's going to be the game plan thing,

1696
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 3: and I'm really hoping it's going to be the game

1697
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 3: plan thing, because I think the best teams do it

1698
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 3: that way. So for Bowers, there's two options. You can

1699
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 3: either bracket him out of the game, you can double them,

1700
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 3: or you could put a corner on him, a true

1701
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 3: corner like Alex Austin or Carlton Davis and just hope

1702
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 3: that because he's a tight end and he's not really

1703
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 3: a true wide receiver, that a corner is going to

1704
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 3: have the man coverage skills to go up against Bowers

1705
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 3: because he's not particularly big, like he's only six three,

1706
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 3: two forty, He's not grounk. He's not a six foot seven,

1707
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty sixty pound tight end. He's definitely

1708
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 3: more in that Travis Kelcey build. So you could technically

1709
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 3: put a corner on him and they could go man

1710
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 3: to man and that matchup could make a little bit

1711
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 3: of sense. How do you see them just overall? Do

1712
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 3: you think they're going to be really game plan heavy

1713
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: and then specifically on Bowers? How do you see them

1714
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:58,839
Speaker 3: taking care of Bowers?

1715
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd I'd like see him put a corner

1716
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: on him. Now it's a little tougher if you don't

1717
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: have Christian Gonzalez. I think either way, Carlton Davis is

1718
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,799
Speaker 1: the guy just a little more physical, little more play strength,

1719
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 1: probably the guy you want on a on a tight

1720
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: end guy. I've compared him to a keep to leave

1721
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: and this is what they used to do with the

1722
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: keep to leave back in the day. Put him on

1723
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham, put him on Tony Gonzalez and have him

1724
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: kind of try to wipe him out of the game.

1725
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: Then the question, if you have Gonzales, it's easy to

1726
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: me because it's it's Gonzalez Undra Kobe Myers, it's Carlton

1727
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: Davis on Brock Bowers. I know Dante Thornton's kind of

1728
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: had a nice camp for them, But between Alex Austin,

1729
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones, DJ James, I think if they beat you,

1730
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: throw in a Dante Thornton.

1731
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 3: Dante Thoron is We've been there with.

1732
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,480
Speaker 1: Your cap to Gino Smith and Dante.

1733
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 3: Thornton is a training camp star, like he's the guy

1734
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 3: that he's he's dayk metcalf in training camp. Let's see

1735
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 3: what it looks like when.

1736
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: It right now, if they beat the Patriots throwing at

1737
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: Dante Thorton, you tip your cap and you move on right.

1738
01:22:56,040 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: But you know, if they don't have Gonzales, Kobe Myers

1739
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: can get you. Like Jkobe Myers, you do have to

1740
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: have a plan for two. Bowers is still the number

1741
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:10,839
Speaker 1: one option. But is it now? Do you want Davis

1742
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: on Myers? Do you trust you know? Marcus Jones? There's

1743
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of seize mismatch there, Alex Austen, Where

1744
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: is it? Do you trust him on Myers for a

1745
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: full game? It gets a little more complicated. I'd still

1746
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: probably try that and maybe bracket Myers and you just

1747
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: hope Carlton Davis takes care of business against Brock Bowers.

1748
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: But it's there's more ifs in that plan. So I

1749
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: think with Gonzalez it's clear cut. Without Gonzalez a little

1750
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: less so, but they still should be okay.

1751
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 3: So I normally I would say double Bowers and put

1752
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 3: your best corner on Myers, Like that's normally the approach

1753
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 3: that I would probably take.

1754
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: Which again, if you have Christian Zalez, I think that's

1755
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 1: exactly what you do, right.

1756
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 3: But at the same time, specifically to Carlton Davis, I

1757
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 3: guess more so the Raiders just don't have outside receivers

1758
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 3: that scare me. I'm gonna have to see it from

1759
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 3: Dante Thorton. Like Dante Thorton, I know he's at a

1760
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 3: good camp. Like I just said to me, he's the

1761
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 3: exact type of player that would have a good training.

1762
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: Just real quick to reset their wide receiver room. Jack

1763
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: Betch a rookie who's a big slot, Amari Cooper who

1764
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: signed what last week? Yeah, Jacobe Myers, Dante Thorton, and

1765
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: they do have Trey Tucker who has some speech.

1766
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: So to me, their receiving corp is gonna be Thornton,

1767
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 3: Myers and Tucker. I think those three guys are gonna

1768
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 3: play just.

1769
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: A second round pick.

1770
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 3: I know, but I don't know where. I haven't heard

1771
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 3: anything about Jack Betch and training camp.

1772
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: Do you think they do that Patriots thing where they

1773
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 1: just use essentially two slot guys and then it's Thornton

1774
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: and Tucker on the outside.

1775
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: Tucker to me is more of like a Pop Douglas.

1776
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 3: He's more of like a speed slot. So Tucker, I

1777
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 3: think is obvious. Marcus Jones can take Tucker. That's fine.

1778
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: Yep.

1779
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 3: Dante Thorton, I'm putting Alex Austin or DJ James out there,

1780
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 3: probably Alex Austin and just living with it.

1781
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: I would even if Tucker's not on the field, I

1782
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: could even put Marcus Jones on Thornton. I know Thornton

1783
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: is the hype, but Marcus Jones is worried about the hype.

1784
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: But Marcus Jones is the foot speed to stay with him.

1785
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 1: And is he somebody you really think is going to

1786
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: go out there? Marcus Jones is physical. Is Thornton gonna

1787
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,759
Speaker 1: go out there and moss people? Yes?

1788
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 3: I think that's what he was doing in the preseason

1789
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 3: winning at the catch point. I would put Alex Austen

1790
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 3: on Thornton and then ideally you have Gonzo to cover

1791
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 3: Jacobe Myers. Now, if Gonzo isn't there, then this whole

1792
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 3: thing does get complicated, right, And this is where Gonzo's impact.

1793
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily that I think that they have like

1794
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 3: a Jamar Chase level receiver that not having Gonzo for

1795
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 3: is going to be problematic. It's just the trickle down

1796
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 3: effect of if you want to use a corner on

1797
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 3: brock Bauers, now you have to put Alex Austen on

1798
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 3: Myers because he's the better player. So now you are

1799
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 3: getting into a situation where Marcus Jones at DJ James

1800
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 3: somebody like that is playing first of all a high

1801
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,799
Speaker 3: volume of outside cornerback snaps, but is also playing against

1802
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 3: a guy like Dante Thornton that who does have size

1803
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 3: and speed. So that's where it gets a little bit tricky.

1804
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 3: But I'm with you. If Gino Smith beats you throwing

1805
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 3: bombs to Dante Thorton, then you kind of tip the

1806
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 3: cap and that's you live with that. So I think

1807
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 3: Brot Bauers might be to the level already where it's

1808
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 3: Carlon Davis and help. Like, I think you need to

1809
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:20,919
Speaker 3: have two eyes or two sets of eyes on Bowers

1810
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 3: on third down. I don't think even Carlon Davis, who

1811
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 3: is a good player, and I have confidence in Carlton Davis,

1812
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 3: I don't even think that is just enough. Like this

1813
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 3: guy is Bowers is a unique talent. He's an lead

1814
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 3: elite player. So I think you on third down, especially,

1815
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to have two sets of eyes on

1816
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 3: Bratt Bauers, even if it is a corner that's covering him.

1817
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 3: So I would say that if it's no gonzo, Yeah,

1818
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 3: Davis with safety help on Bratt Bawers in the middle

1819
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 3: of the field, Alex Ausen on Jacobe Myers, and then

1820
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 3: whoever the third receiver is is matchup based here, it's

1821
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 3: DJ James maybe for a little bit more sizing though

1822
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 3: he's not a big dude necessarily, but maybe a little

1823
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 3: bit more size than Marcus Jones on Dante Thornton, or

1824
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 3: it's just Marcus Jones on Tucker or Thornton. I think

1825
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 3: Tucker is gonna play a lot on third down. He's

1826
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 3: a sense He's a Pop Douglas type. He's a slot

1827
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 3: speed slot, good separator, good field stretcher from the slot.

1828
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 3: I would definitely think he would play a lot. I'm

1829
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 3: interested to see what they do with Bowers. It's a

1830
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 3: first real example that we're gonna have of how game

1831
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 3: plan oriented are they gonna be? How are are they

1832
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 3: a bracket team?

1833
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 6: You know?

1834
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 3: Are they gonna bracket guys? Are they gonna put two

1835
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 3: true double teams on him? Based off they're a Tennessee

1836
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 3: tape they have, They definitely have bracket calls within their coverage.

1837
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 3: I watched a little bit of them against the Dolphins

1838
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 3: just to get ahead for next week. And they were

1839
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 3: doubling Wattle and Hill in that matchup in twenty twenty three.

1840
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 3: So they definitely have those bracket calls that Belichick would have,

1841
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 3: you know, a cone bracket where you're inside out or

1842
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 3: over under bracket where there's a safety over the top

1843
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 3: and a corner underneath. And then you'll have you know,

1844
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 3: Cover seven, which is really a split safety coverage, but

1845
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 3: the safeties are bracketing instead of playing zone. They're bracketing

1846
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 3: receivers instead. So that's a Saban terminology that goes around

1847
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 3: a lot. So you have that ability with Bowers. Now

1848
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 3: you don't need to double Jacobe Myers. I don't think

1849
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,919
Speaker 3: I like Jacoby great player. I don't think he's double category.

1850
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: I think not with the corner talent that they have.

1851
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree to Patty's second question. My guess

1852
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 3: is is that we're going to see the Patriots come

1853
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 3: out in heavy personnel on offense and try to establish

1854
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. That's just that's a season long thing,

1855
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 3: like they're going to want to be the more physical

1856
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 3: team for seventeen straight games. So I think dominating or

1857
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 3: trying to establish and win the line of scrimmage as

1858
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,919
Speaker 3: much as that kind of stuff gets my my nerd senses,

1859
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, all out of whack that that, to me

1860
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 3: is going to be just there.

1861
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: You're going to have to establish the run.

1862
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, it's just how they want to play. It's how

1863
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 3: Mike Raba wants to play, and it's not about oh,

1864
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 3: are they gonna be you know, Derrick Henry Titan's era,

1865
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 3: and they're just gonna run the ball And no, I

1866
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 3: think they're still going to pass the ball and be

1867
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 3: aggressive throwing the football. But I definitely think that from

1868
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 3: a just setting a tone standpoint, I do think that

1869
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 3: they're gonna come out in the opening drive with Jack

1870
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 3: Westover in the backfield as a lead full back, and

1871
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna want to run it down Vegas' throats. Running

1872
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 3: the football is also a nice way, even though he's

1873
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 3: a really good run player as well, when you run

1874
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 3: it at pass rushers, they don't like it so much. Right,

1875
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 3: So if you can throw a bunch of different angles

1876
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 3: at Max Crosby, you know, pull at him, lead the

1877
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 3: full back at him, wham him, I do a bunch

1878
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 3: of different pitches, so I change up your pitches of

1879
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 3: how you're attacking him. You can start to get him

1880
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 3: on his heels a little bit and start forcing him

1881
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 3: to think and process the game and often can slow

1882
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 3: down how good he is as a pass rusher. And

1883
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 3: if he's getting ear hold and he's getting guards are

1884
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 3: pulling towards him and he's got to hold up like that,

1885
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to do that. He wants to fly

1886
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 3: up the field and get the ball right, That's what

1887
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 3: Max Crosby wants to do. So if you can come

1888
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 3: out and you can frankly punch him in the mouth

1889
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 3: a little bit, that often helps with a lot of

1890
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 3: these pass rushers. Now, Crosby is a different animal. He's

1891
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 3: a great player against the run and the pass. So

1892
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 3: this isn't necessarily one of those guys. It's like a

1893
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 3: finesse player that can be taken out of the game

1894
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 3: that way. But I still think it can be an advantage.

1895
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 3: So I expect both those things to happen. Let's take Garrett,

1896
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 3: is that po Florida fl what's up, Garrett? Garrett? All right, Garrett,

1897
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 3: call us back. We had to do on hold for

1898
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 3: a little bit. Let's get to Ben and Philly. What's

1899
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 3: up Ben?

1900
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 8: Hey, Yeah, I just had a question about how you

1901
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 8: feel Mike Frable handles media differently than in the past.

1902
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 8: So with the Forgit in Foxborough series, it just seems

1903
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 8: like there's a high level of media access that we

1904
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 8: get to see as fans, which is great. How do

1905
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 8: you guys think that's going to impact the team and

1906
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 8: will just continue going forward?

1907
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, thanks for the call. So to be clear,

1908
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 3: fortune of Foxborough is being produced in house, so maybe

1909
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 3: this is a little bit but inside baseball. But yeah,

1910
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 3: not to like say Ben was wrong, but I wouldn't

1911
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Speaker 3: consider that media right.

1912
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's different than like the Beat reporters. That's yes, like, yeah,

1913
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: that's a Patriots production.

1914
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 3: Correct, it's a Craft sports production. That's an internal thing. Now,

1915
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 3: I will give Mike Frabel. I will thank Mike Frabel

1916
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 3: for last couple of practices that we got to see.

1917
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 3: Those were not required practices to be open to the media,

1918
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 3: and he allowed the media as a whole, Beat writers

1919
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 3: everybody to watch two more additional practices when they got

1920
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 3: back from New York from the final preseason game. So

1921
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 3: we got maybe a little a few more practices than

1922
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 3: we would normally get from Mike Vrabel from a training

1923
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 3: camp standpoint, But I would say it's pretty consistent, like

1924
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 3: this is all stuff and it's it's guidelines. It's not

1925
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 3: necessarily required, but this is all stuff that the Pro

1926
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 3: Football Writers Association in the league have an agreement on

1927
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 3: of like how much access we're going to get in

1928
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 3: terms of media availability, press conferences, practice availability. Like a

1929
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 3: lot of this stuff is already kind of outlined ahead

1930
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 3: of time of how that's all going to work. And

1931
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 3: then with Forge, we'll see you stay tuned on Forge.

1932
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 3: Have you watched episode three yet?

1933
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: I've watched like half of it. I need to catch

1934
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 1: up on it. This was my drop right before college

1935
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: football Saturday, so it's like.

1936
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 3: This is that this is my favorite episode of the three,

1937
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 3: not that I thought any all of them were great,

1938
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 3: but this episode in particular I really enjoyed because this

1939
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 3: is this is the best time for the behind the

1940
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 3: scenes access with training camp, where you have of the

1941
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 3: Afton Chisholm storyline and the Elijah Ponders storylines, of the

1942
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 3: undrafted guys trying to make the team. We have the

1943
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 3: team coming together. You have practiced footage, live practice footage,

1944
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 3: my frable, you know, jumping into the pile like you

1945
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 3: have all these different things, whereas once we get into

1946
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 3: the season, it becomes a little bit more formulaic and

1947
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 3: there's not those underdog stories necessarily. And this is why

1948
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 3: hard Docks is great is because of this time of

1949
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 3: year in training camp. So I felt the same way

1950
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 3: about Forge. So Forge three is out now, stay tuned

1951
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 3: about Forged four and beyond. That's a way above my

1952
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 3: pay grade to make those decisions of when these things happen.

1953
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 3: So we'll see about that. But that's let's talk a

1954
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 3: little college football. Le's talk a little college football. Always,

1955
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 3: we have a college football question, and this is something

1956
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 3: that I've been wondering Alex, and I know what I

1957
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,679
Speaker 3: think your answer is going to be, but I'm curious.

1958
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 3: So this is from Aiden in California, and he said

1959
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,839
Speaker 3: he loves the show, Thanks Sadan, And he was watching

1960
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 3: some college football this past weekend. So was I. I

1961
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 3: watched a decent amount of college football.

1962
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it?

1963
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 3: I somewhat enjoyed it.

1964
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah you did.

1965
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 3: No, I have some gripes, but it's fine. I think

1966
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 3: that just quickly get this off my chest. College quarterbacks

1967
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 3: drive me crazy. The next college quarterback to recognize that

1968
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 3: the slot is blitzing it will be the first like

1969
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 3: how it can't be.

1970
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 1: This part what makes it fun. It's chaotic. I'm telling

1971
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: you this hard.

1972
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,719
Speaker 3: You're hot to the field, bro, You're hot, like throw

1973
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 3: the ball.

1974
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: So I think that's part of what makes it fun.

1975
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 1: It's like because you can see it and they can't.

1976
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: You don't enjoy that.

1977
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 4: A lot of good.

1978
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 3: That's bad football.

1979
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: The So I think this year's class as a whole

1980
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: is kind of overrated. There's some guys I like, but

1981
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: I think people are too high on it. The next

1982
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: couple of classes, so you're going to have next year

1983
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: is DJ Lagway next year, I'm trying to remember who

1984
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: else is in it, like arch Manning. We saw arch

1985
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: Manning on Sunday. This is my point, DJ Lagway Julian

1986
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 1: saying the kid from TCU is probably going to stay

1987
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 1: another year. Hooever, he was good. And then I'll say

1988
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: that some of the true freshmen. So first of all,

1989
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 1: Bryce under I don't know, you probably didn't watch any

1990
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: of Michigan. They were playing New Mexico, and granted it

1991
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: was against New Mexico. Bryce Underwood looked and look, he's

1992
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: a number one back recruit in the country. He should

1993
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,600
Speaker 1: look really good. He looks unbelievable. Also, Maryland has a

1994
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 1: true freshman quarterback in the Lakue Washington was kind of nice. Again,

1995
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: it was against a lesser opponent. But this year's quarterback

1996
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: class is fine. It's definitely better than last year. I

1997
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: think more guys are going to fall than rise as

1998
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: we go through the process the next two years. I'm

1999
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: very excited for last year's true freshman and then this

2000
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 1: year's true freshman. I think is a strong class.

2001
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: I was overall pretty disappointed by what I saw from

2002
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 3: this quarterback class because I do think there is some

2003
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 3: hype around this quarterback.

2004
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: There is, and look, I think club Nick is another

2005
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 1: guy that's maybe even propped up by the system and

2006
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: Clemson my ten years ago Garret or fifte years ago

2007
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: Garrett Usmiers a first round pick. Now, I wonder if

2008
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: maybe his athleticism puts a ceiling on things. But there's

2009
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: individual traits there, you like. I don't know that he's

2010
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: ultimately going to prove.

2011
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 3: He seemed to have to be that first round profile

2012
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 3: from a reading the defense like pre snat right, but

2013
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 3: that only takes you so.

2014
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,719
Speaker 1: Far as right. Now, Feranana Mendoza didn't really play anybody,

2015
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 1: Sam Levinton, Planny Boy, Jordan Tyson though goes for one

2016
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven yards. Been telling you about story.

2017
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 1: It was against Northern Arizona, So we'll wait and see.

2018
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: The one guy I came away really impressed with from

2019
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 1: this upcoming class was Leonora Sellers. Took him a little

2020
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: bit to get going in that game, but once he

2021
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 1: got going fourth quarter, once he and that's not uncommon

2022
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: for week one in college and the NFL, So we'll

2023
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 1: see again. He's got to do more. But a lot

2024
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 1: of these guys just kind of trudged along all game.

2025
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,839
Speaker 1: His ability to adjust within the game I thought was impressive,

2026
01:36:55,880 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: and he was the one guy I thought more us

2027
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:01,480
Speaker 1: lived up to expectations.

2028
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 3: So to go back to the email or the question

2029
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 3: here from Aiden is about Caleb Downs. So who I

2030
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 3: know is one of your favorite players in college?

2031
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to know what you thought watching Caleb

2032
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 1: Down That's what I'm curious about.

2033
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 3: I have to admit I think Caleb Downs is a

2034
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 3: great player. I mean you could see it all on

2035
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 3: the tape last year, you know, from their national championship run.

2036
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 3: Those that don't know he's a safety Ohio State. Caleb

2037
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 3: Downs some people I don't necessarily see, Like, I don't

2038
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 3: know exactly who I would compare him to yet.

2039
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 1: So did you see Tom you so hot?

2040
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 3: Take? I don't. I don't see Ed re.

2041
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Stylistically, he's not the same guy, but he plays a

2042
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 1: weird comp But just to throw that out there, he.

2043
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 3: Plays way more closer to the line of scrimmage than

2044
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 3: Ed Reid did.

2045
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: He's he's kind of everywhere.

2046
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the question from Aiden is would Caleb Downs

2047
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 3: be a possible pick for the Patriots next year? On

2048
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 3: just to like keep it one hundred, Caleb Downs might

2049
01:37:59,960 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 3: be the best non quarterback player in the entire draft.

2050
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 1: He might be the best player in the entire draft.

2051
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 3: Sure, best player in the entire draft. But taking the

2052
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 3: he's not going to go number one overall, They're not.

2053
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 3: They're not taking a safety number one.

2054
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: Over probably not. If one was going to go number one,

2055
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 1: he's the profile, but probably not.

2056
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 3: You're right, he's not going to So the two questions

2057
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:25,919
Speaker 3: with Caleb Downs. I know that this is kind of annoying,

2058
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 3: but it is what it is, the fact that he's

2059
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 3: a safety is going to come into play the positional

2060
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 3: value of drafting a safety in the top five or

2061
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 3: the top ten is going to come into play. It

2062
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 3: just doesn't happen very often, and Caleb Downs being an

2063
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 3: exceptional player might just be the the exception to that.

2064
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 3: It reminds me a little bit of Kyle Hamilton coming out. Now,

2065
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 3: Kyle Hamilton bombed the combine right a bad workout and

2066
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 3: not pushed him down the board. But I don't think

2067
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 3: it's totally out of the realm of possibility that because

2068
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 3: he plays safety, because you're going to have potentially three

2069
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 3: or four quarterbacks that are going to go early. Although

2070
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 3: he played poorly, I think Caden Proctor and Spencer Finell

2071
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 3: are still going to go pretty early at tackle. And

2072
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 3: then you also have Peter Woods who and the Clemson

2073
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 3: defensers who are more pass rusher.

2074
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: And did you watch any of Miami Notre Dames a

2075
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 1: little bit? Number four on defense for Miami Rubin Bain, Yeah,

2076
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 1: so all those guys.

2077
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 3: He's our premium position players, So is it I don't

2078
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 3: think it's totally crazy to say that if the Patriots

2079
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 3: have a better but not great season, Let's say they

2080
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 3: win six to eight games, and they're picking in the

2081
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 3: early teams of the draft, Caleb Downs. I don't think

2082
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 3: it's totally out of the realm of possibility that Caleb

2083
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 3: Downs could be on the board for them.

2084
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: And he'd be a great fit for this defense. I'll

2085
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 1: just say this. Hamilton went fourteenth. Kyle Hamilton was obviously

2086
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 1: a great safety prospect. Yes, Caleb Downs is better Caleb Downs.

2087
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 1: I think he is in another tier.

2088
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 3: And I think I don't think Caleb Downs is going

2089
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 3: to have athletic testing issues. But that's what put Kyle Hamilton.

2090
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,680
Speaker 1: So there's there's two guys in this draft. The other

2091
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 1: thing I think, and I don't know if it's going

2092
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 1: to help hurt Caleb Downs. You're getting much more. And

2093
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: this is we hear this all the time. The college

2094
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,520
Speaker 1: game is ten years ahead of the NFL. The innovations

2095
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 1: that we're seeing in college usually get to the NFL

2096
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 1: a decade later. That's why guys like Tamon Austin and

2097
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 1: the guy from Florida. Why am I branking up blanking

2098
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: on his name? Darius Tony no earlier Florida. Yeah, the

2099
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: speedster Jeff Demps, No same team he played Percy Arvin,

2100
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:31,560
Speaker 1: Oh Percy. That's why these guys like didn't hit in

2101
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: the NFL. You put Percy Harvin in the NFL. Now

2102
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 1: he's a stud, but teams just didn't know how to

2103
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: use that guy.

2104
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 4: Yet.

2105
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: You're seeing a lot more positionless football in college right

2106
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:44,639
Speaker 1: now defensively, and Caleb Downs is a safety, but he's

2107
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: also not just a safety. He can play linebacker. He

2108
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: can play slot corner. And it's not like, Okay, a

2109
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 1: safety who can He's not like a box safety who

2110
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: you calling a linebacker because he's lining up in the box.

2111
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 1: He can play linebacker, can rush the passer, he can

2112
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: fit the run. Another guy I look at and I

2113
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 1: got some questions about him on Twitter this weekend. I'm

2114
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: a big fan is Harold Perkins. So if you watch

2115
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 1: at LSU game number seven on defense, where he's listed

2116
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: as a linebacker, he kind of plays more like a

2117
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: safety and he has some coverage responsibilities. You know, he'll

2118
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,839
Speaker 1: rush the pass or he does a little bit of everything.

2119
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 1: And our NFL team's ready for that guy. Yet that

2120
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 1: you don't really have a position, you can kind of

2121
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: do everything. It's either you create a role in the

2122
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: defense for that guy that's hard to match up with,

2123
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: or you use him as a matchup player differently week

2124
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Speaker 1: to week. I don't think Caleb Down's role is going

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01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: to be the same next week, and I don't think

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01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 1: it'll be the same the week after that. I think

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01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:43,679
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia's gonna kind of use him as a fixer

2128
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 1: as a stopper, depending on what the other team does well.

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01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,600
Speaker 1: Harold Perkins is more of a true linebacker, but I

2130
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 1: think you'll see some of the same with him. You'll

2131
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 1: see him in coverage more some weeks, you see him

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01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 1: rushing the pass or more some weeks. There have been

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01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 1: some Micah Parsons ish comps with him. Now he's coming

2134
01:41:58,320 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: off with torn acls, so he's got to show the

2135
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 1: leticism can stay up. At the point being like, I

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01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 1: wonder if Caleb Downs he might fall because of the

2137
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 1: positional value. He might just be so good that if

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01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: you get the right defensive coordinator looking at it and saying,

2139
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 1: this guy can do everything I want him to do,

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01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 1: that kind of nullifies it because that's the way college

2141
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: teams are using their best players right now. Some of

2142
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: the best defensive players in college football, they don't have

2143
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: a position. They just kind of do whatever's asked of them,

2144
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 1: and that's coming to the NFL. Maybe not this year,

2145
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 1: maybe not with this class, but it's coming in this class.

2146
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: Between Downs and Perkins would be a good place to start.

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01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 3: So Caleb Downs, I want to say that I think

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01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 3: the Patriots are going to be better, and I hope

2149
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 3: the Patriots are going to be too good to draft

2150
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,839
Speaker 3: Caleb Downs. But when you cut Jabrill Peppers and definitely

2151
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 3: seems like Kyle Duggar is not part of the long

2152
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 3: term plans here with the Patriots and Mike Rabel. If

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01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 3: the Patriots have a better but not great season, like

2154
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 3: I said earlier, and they only win seven or eight

2155
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 3: games and they're picking in the early teams, I think

2156
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 3: Caleb Downs would be a slam dunk like home run

2157
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 3: type of fit for them to fill safety and have

2158
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 3: an impact safety like Caleb.

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01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 1: Downs is a I don't care what your needs are.

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01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 1: Your needs are run up the card, pick them play

2161
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: so the But.

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01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 3: It also it's going to be in need, like it

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01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 3: is gonna be a need.

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01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 1: But I don't, I don't.

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01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 3: I know people people have gotten a combination of people.

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01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 1: Have gotten on this show, maybe me in particular for

2167
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 1: harping on the need part of the draft too much.

2168
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 1: If Caleb Downs is realistically and play for the Patriots,

2169
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 1: that you're not going to hear that take from the

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01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 1: show to site clip it if you want. I'd be

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01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 1: very surprised if I change course on that unless he

2172
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 1: gets hurt. H Derwin James Buddha Baker might be two

2173
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: comps for Caleb Down, but there is there isn't really

2174
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: a player in the NFL better than Dwin, but not

2175
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 1: Durwin's you know, thick as Darwin.

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01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 3: All right, well guy, we'll work on that. Let's get

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01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 3: back to the phones. Mark is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?

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01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 5: What's going on?

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01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 10: My brother? They the Oh, Pepper's totally shocked at that.

2180
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 10: I mean, just a veteran presence in the room at

2181
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 10: that in a again, a Mike Vrabel kind of guy

2182
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 10: I always thought, so I'm shocked at that. I'm also

2183
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 10: shocked at the Stefan Diggs that he's not a captain

2184
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 10: because I was there a lot of training camp and

2185
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 10: the guy's a vocal leader. Seems like he's going to

2186
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 10: be a good fit for the wide receivers for the youngins.

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01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 10: And then my last thing is, uh number eighty seven, Now,

2188
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 10: who's gonna wear number eighty seven if Jack Westover is

2189
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 10: now taking over thirteen Crons number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call mark number eighty seven. Maybe nobody,

2191
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 3: I don't know, just throwing it.

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01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 1: Out there, say he's going to retire. By the way,

2193
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 1: Durwin six fifteen, Caleb Down six foot two o five

2194
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: So not Durren's bigger, Durwin's taller, but ten pounds two

2195
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 1: inches like that's that's a lot of size, all right,

2196
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 1: that matters. If he didn't know, Downs might be bulky er.

2197
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, more compact, more compact. Yeah, muscle hamster.

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01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 3: Sam is in Virginia. What's up?

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Speaker 6: Sam?

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01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 5: Hey you guys, can you hear me?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, great, appreciate you taking my call. So just two

2203
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 9: quick questions on the old line. So it looks like

2204
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:13,599
Speaker 9: Jared Wilson's going to start the year at left sward

2205
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 9: is the McDaniel's offense, which is generally the more valuable

2206
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,880
Speaker 9: air for important position left guard or center. I just

2207
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 9: want to better understand his long term value. And second

2208
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 9: is about Josh Simmons. It looks like he's going to

2209
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 9: start week one for the Chiefs, knowing in the pre

2210
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:38,640
Speaker 9: draft process he was considered maybe the top left tackle prospect,

2211
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 9: do you think, knowing what we know now, that the

2212
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 9: Patriots might have considered him over Campbell or ranked him

2213
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 9: over Campbell if they knew he'd be healthy for Week one.

2214
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 9: I'm curious about that, but appreciate you taking my call.

2215
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 9: Take it off line.

2216
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks Sam.

2217
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, but you didn't know. I mean, yeah,

2218
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 1: hindsight's fifty to fifty. Is that twenty it's twenty twenty. Yeah,

2219
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 1: hindsight's twenty twenty. No, I you don't think with the

2220
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 1: Raiders knowing what they know now, go back and draft

2221
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson over JaMarcus But.

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01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 3: Like, don't, Yeah, I know, don't pick on the caller

2223
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 3: too much.

2224
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm not picking on the call. But I've seen this

2225
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 1: a few times.

2226
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 3: It's a question that we knew was coming, Alex, like

2227
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 3: you and I have been steadfast on this about Josh

2228
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 3: Simmons during the draft process, that we would not have

2229
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 3: taken the risk on Josh Simmons. And if Josh Simmons

2230
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 3: goes on and is a franchise tackle for the Chiefs,

2231
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 3: we'll never live it down. But that's the business one.

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01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 1: He didn't know and you couldn't know you looked at

2233
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 1: the medicals. I don't think the Patriots were the only

2234
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 1: team that were afraid of the medicals. Because he fell

2235
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: all the way to thirty sevens.

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01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 3: There was no way they were drafting Josh Simmons at

2237
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 3: four over. I also much different conversation.

2238
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. People say, well, you know he was

2239
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:43,600
Speaker 1: the top rank tackle on the Patriot where was he

2240
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 1: the top Will Campbell's top rank tackle everywhere?

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01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 3: But he was probably considered the best pass protector left

2242
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 3: tackle in the draft, like the pure blind side protector thing.

2243
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 3: But my whole thing with Josh Simmons was not just

2244
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 3: the injury. It was also the fact that he had

2245
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,800
Speaker 3: such a small sample size of really good performance. His

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01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:07,480
Speaker 3: tape from twenty three from to twenty four improved significantly

2247
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 3: over that time, and he really only did it against

2248
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 3: Scrubs in twenty twenty four because he got hurt halfway

2249
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 3: through the Oregon game and didn't play the rest of

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01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 3: the season, so you never actually saw him against NFL

2251
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 3: caliber competition. He dominated Michigan State and like that level

2252
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 3: of competition, but how is he going to look in

2253
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 3: a full game against Oregon and the college Football Playoff

2254
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 3: like those types of matchups you never would have known.

2255
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:32,679
Speaker 3: And as a team like the Patriots, that the most

2256
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 3: important thing for the Patriots right now when it comes

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01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 3: to drafting is getting on base, like they need to

2258
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 3: hit on these picks. And there's just a lot of

2259
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:44,560
Speaker 3: inherent risk that was coming with Josh Simmons both was

2260
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 3: it going to translate and was it? Was it actually

2261
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 3: real what we saw at the beginning before he got

2262
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 3: hurt and injury history, that they are just not in

2263
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 3: a position to take risks on players like that. The

2264
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs are exactly in the position to take a.

2265
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:03,280
Speaker 1: Well, we talked that Patriots took. My comp for him was,

2266
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 1: who is the defensive lineman from Florida? Why can't I

2267
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 1: do names today? The defensive tackle who had the torn

2268
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 1: a cl from Florida?

2269
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dominique Easley.

2270
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do because the Patriots could take that risk.

2271
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 1: Dominique Easley was a top ten talent who had bad

2272
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: knees and the didn't know if he'd stay healthy. And

2273
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: just one more thing, he made it to Week one

2274
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,560
Speaker 1: knowing he'd be healthy. Do you think they would have

2275
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 1: drafted him? Not for over It's also it's not like

2276
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 1: these are mostly non contact practices. He now has to

2277
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 1: stay healthy over the course of this season and the next.

2278
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 1: And then like there was too much risk. There was

2279
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 1: too much risk with that injury. Yeah, there's way too

2280
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: much risk with that injury.

2281
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 3: Injury and performance and the and would go hand in hand. Yeah,

2282
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 3: but like it just didn't make sense for this team.

2283
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 3: The Eagles, the the Chiefs, the Bills, the Lions, like

2284
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 3: those are teams that can take on those kinds of risks.

2285
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 3: The Patriots are just not in that spot. It's not

2286
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 3: exactly uh apples to apples, but it's not that different

2287
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 3: than being in on Micah Parsons right, Like, it's just

2288
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 3: they're just not ready for that type of stuff yet.

2289
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 3: If they're good, yeah, and they get into the second

2290
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 3: round next year, and they won ten games this year

2291
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 3: and you want to talk me into them drafting a

2292
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:15,640
Speaker 3: guy that has an injury history, then okay, then that's

2293
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 3: a different conversation. Dominique Easley, right, Sony Michelle, like those guys, like,

2294
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 3: that's a different conversation To the first point, what was

2295
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:24,639
Speaker 3: his first question?

2296
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: What's more important in the McDaniels offense, left guard or center?

2297
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 3: I would probably say left guard because the quarterback handles

2298
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 3: so much of the pre snap responsibilities that's typically on

2299
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 3: the center in a offense. I just think guard is

2300
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 3: inherently more valuable than center to begin with, because you

2301
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:46,520
Speaker 3: have a lot more one on one pass protection opportunities

2302
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 3: versus that center, But even more so in a scheme

2303
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:51,760
Speaker 3: like this where the quarterback is the one calling the

2304
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 3: protections and not the center, I think it even devalues

2305
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 3: the center, maybe even a little bit more than what

2306
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 3: it would in other systems. Sorry, David Andrews, don't any

2307
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 3: disrespect to him or any guys that have played center here.

2308
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:08,439
Speaker 3: That's just how I personally feel about it. But I

2309
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 3: could see Jared Wilson being good either spot, And we'll see.

2310
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:14,560
Speaker 3: Before we wrap up with the show here, Alex, I

2311
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 3: do want to give kind of a couple more takes

2312
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 3: on this game. On Sunday, there's a game that the

2313
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 3: Patriots are playing. We normally do key matchups. I don't

2314
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:24,559
Speaker 3: know if we have time to do all the key

2315
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 3: we did one with and Crosby we kind of covered

2316
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 3: that as well. But what's just your general feelings going

2317
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 3: into this game? Because for me, I think the more,

2318
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 3: the most fascinating aspect of this game is coaching for

2319
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 3: both teams. It's two brand new coaching staffs, Pete Carroll,

2320
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 3: two overall rosters. Chip Kelly has not coached at this

2321
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 3: level in a decade, so we have really no idea.

2322
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 3: We could obviously go back and watch Ohio State, but

2323
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:54,680
Speaker 3: it's just really not the same thing at all. So

2324
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,479
Speaker 3: we have no real idea exactly of what an NFL

2325
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 3: offense for Chip Kelly looks like the modern times here.

2326
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be Oregon in Philadelphia. I can tell

2327
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 3: you that it's gonna be different. It's probably gonna be

2328
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 3: less pace and slow down a little bit more. But

2329
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 3: I think this game is gonna be one and loss.

2330
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:13,560
Speaker 3: And this is why I gave a slight edge to

2331
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:17,479
Speaker 3: the Patriots by in game adjustments, which once the game

2332
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 3: declares and both sides and both sidelines sort of get

2333
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,880
Speaker 3: a feel for how the new staffs are coaching it

2334
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 3: and how their base, you know, schemes and all that

2335
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:29,640
Speaker 3: good stuff. Once they have a good feel for that,

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01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 3: who blinks first right, who has the ability to adjust,

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01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 3: who has the ability to attack weaknesses, and all that

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01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 3: good stuff, I think is ultimately going to decide this game,

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01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 3: and I just have a little bit more faith from

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01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 3: that standpoint. And Vrabel and McDaniels because I've seen them

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01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 3: do it before and I think they're two of the

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01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,519
Speaker 3: best at it on their respective sides of the ball.

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01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:55,680
Speaker 3: Whereas Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, I think those guys are

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01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:57,560
Speaker 3: kind of do what you do sort of coaches, like.

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01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 3: They have their systems, they have their schemes, especially Carol

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01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 3: on defense. I don't view him as like a game

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01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 3: plan coach very much. So this is a really big

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01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:11,800
Speaker 3: Week ones always an unknown, it's always a mystery box

2349
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 3: of what exactly you're going to get. But what these

2350
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:18,799
Speaker 3: rosters being so different from the past, these coaching staffs

2351
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 3: are completely new. This is the uh, this is Week

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01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:25,320
Speaker 3: one on steroids, Like this is a complete mystery box

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01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 3: of what exactly that they're going to get. I have

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01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:29,720
Speaker 3: faith in McDaniels, especially that he's going to be able

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01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:30,559
Speaker 3: to adjust, though.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably gonna be messy. It's probably gonna

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01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 1: be sloppy in Week one is the most unpredictable game

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01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: of the season. I think that the Raiders are probably

2359
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:40,720
Speaker 1: going to come right out and look I'm not saying

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01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 1: they won't throw to Bowers. But if I'm the Raiders,

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01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 1: I look at the Patriots up front, I test it,

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01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 1: and you know, you just use the top ten pick

2363
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 1: on a running back. Oh, they're going to run the

2364
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:51,360
Speaker 1: I make them stop the run before I go to

2365
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 1: anything else. That's what I do if I'm the Raiders.

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01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:56,400
Speaker 1: So I think we're going to see a good amount

2367
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 1: of ash and genty early. I think how the Patriots

2368
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 1: handle that dictate the rest of the game. On the

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01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 1: other side of the ball, Like you said earlier, I

2370
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:04,439
Speaker 1: think we see the Patriots try to establish the run.

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01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 1: I think they ease Drake May into it. I think

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01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 1: they get him a couple of those layups before they

2373
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:12,120
Speaker 1: maybe start taking some shots down the field. I also

2374
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:14,240
Speaker 1: want to be surprised as they feature digs early and

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01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 1: get digs in rhythm. And you hear guys talk about

2376
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:19,400
Speaker 1: coming off a torn acl or any major injury, really

2377
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 1: any significant missed amount of time, just how much it

2378
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 1: helps to get into the rhythm right away and get

2379
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 1: the ball right away, and get hit a couple times

2380
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: right away, and just shake the cobwebs off and get

2381
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 1: back in that familiar mindset, so you know, runs early

2382
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: quick stuff to Diggs. I would love to see some RPOs.

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01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 1: You can mix the tulos in together. We'll see how

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01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:42,839
Speaker 1: much we see that. One other thing I wonder about McDaniels,

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01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm curious your thoughts on this. So just looking at

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01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:50,360
Speaker 1: some of the colleges he visited last year, and we

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01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 1: ultimately don't know how much he took from everybody. But

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01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 1: one thing you're seeing more in college football now. That

2389
01:53:57,840 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 1: is another thing I think is coming to the NFL

2390
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:01,160
Speaker 1: at some point when I think this is probably less

2391
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 1: impactful in the NFL than it is in college because

2392
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 1: the players are smarter. But well, you see college teams

2393
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,600
Speaker 1: do now it's not hurry up in the sense that

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01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:12,720
Speaker 1: get to line, snap the ball quick, but teams will

2395
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:15,080
Speaker 1: no huddle. But then you get to the line and

2396
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:16,960
Speaker 1: you kind of all right, you make your checks, you

2397
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:19,160
Speaker 1: call to play at the line, so you still have

2398
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 1: the signs on the sideline, right, Well, you're not gonna

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01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 1: have that in the NFL, but or college really in yeah,

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01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:25,680
Speaker 1: they don't really have that anymorecause the headsets. But the

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01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,360
Speaker 1: idea is like you don't just the headsets, you don't

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01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 1: huddle Yeah, so that the defense can't huddle and it

2403
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: makes it harder for them to substitute or whatever. But

2404
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 1: you're not rushing, You're still snapping the ball fifteen twenty

2405
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:37,720
Speaker 1: seconds left on the play clock. Drake May did some

2406
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 1: of that at North Carolina. Yeah, and I feel like

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01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 1: with the offense they have and to help kind of

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01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 1: Drake May stay ahead of things and simplify things. You

2409
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 1: force the defense to kind of declare a look and

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01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:50,440
Speaker 1: stay in it. I wonder if we see some of

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01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 1: that from McDaniels, if not in this game, at some

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01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:53,160
Speaker 1: point this season.

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01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,920
Speaker 3: That's what I'm most looking forward to seeing from McDaniels

2414
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 3: is he's so good at getting you trapped in personnel

2415
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:02,760
Speaker 3: on field that they like matchups against you. So like

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01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 3: let's say they put like three safety nickel out there,

2417
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 3: and so Jeremy Chin is covering Pop Douglas in the slot.

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01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:11,200
Speaker 3: What McDaniels will do is he'll go hurry up, he'll

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01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 3: go no huddle, and he won't allow you to substitute

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01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:15,560
Speaker 3: because they just love the personnel that you have on

2421
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 3: the field. And then the other things that he likes

2422
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 3: to do is win with formations, like we're gonna put

2423
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 3: a running back out wide, We're gonna put a full

2424
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,000
Speaker 3: back out wide, right, and we're able to figure out

2425
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:27,400
Speaker 3: man's own and then also find those matchups in the

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01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:31,040
Speaker 3: middle of the field. So it's an exciting all around

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01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 3: time for you for the Patriots. But we got to

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Speaker 3: wrap up because Unfiltered is up next here at noon.

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