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Speaker 2: It's gonna get a little bumpy, but you have what

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Speaker 3: What's going on everyone?

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Speaker 4: Emily Abadi here popping into your feed on a Wednesday

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Speaker 4: with an extra special episode of Hurdle. For today's conversation,

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Speaker 4: I am bringing you my chat with the woman of

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Speaker 4: runner and now a new author. Her book Don't Call

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Speaker 4: It a Comeback. What happened when I stopped chasing prs

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Speaker 4: today's episode, we.

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Speaker 3: Are chatting all about it.

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Speaker 4: She talks to me about what it was like to

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Speaker 4: work on this book with her co author Evelyn Spence,

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Speaker 4: and how it felt revisiting so many of the highs

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Speaker 4: and the lows from her professional running career. A lot

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Speaker 4: of this book is focused on what is often called

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Speaker 4: in her words, out of shape and battling postpartum depression.

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Speaker 4: She tells me how she felt about prioritizing herself early

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Speaker 4: and how she navigated the guilt that came hand in

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Speaker 4: hand with that. Fast forward, six years after getting back

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Speaker 4: on the roads, Kira broke the American woman's record in

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Speaker 4: what she's looking forward to at this fall and beyond.

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Speaker 4: Keeping this intro short and sweet, but make sure your

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Speaker 4: falling along with the show. Over on social It's at

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Speaker 4: Hurdle Podcast and I am over at Emily a Body again.

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Speaker 4: The book is called Don't call It a Comeback. I'm

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Speaker 4: get to it, let's get to hurdling. Today, I am

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Speaker 4: sitting down with Kira Dematto. She is the former American

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Speaker 4: record holder in the marathon and the half marathon, a

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Speaker 3: How are we doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm happy to be here. I've told you already.

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Speaker 2: I've been working hard today and I've been nice to people,

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Speaker 3: Good day, having a good day. I have to ask you,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Like if I am. The past year

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's been tough with just the world

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Speaker 2: we really need to work on passing, majority of the

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00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 2: men on that team would think, yeah, my teammate needs

445
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: to be better at that. And if you have that

446
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 2: same speech to a team of females, every female is

447
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: going to internalize saying, oh, yeah, I need to work

448
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: on that. So I think just naturally and like I

449
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 2: forget what study that was, I forget even where I

450
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: heard that, But I think naturally. I tend to internalize

451
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 2: things that way. I'm the oldest of five kids, so

452
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 2: I've kind of, like, you know, I talked about it.

453
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 2: I'm not bossy, I have leadership qualities, but so I

454
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: think that that trying to keep everyone in line in

455
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 2: one to be a good example, and just feeling, you know,

456
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 2: so proud of my brothers and sisters, wanting to help them.

457
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 2: Matt Centuitz Senior would always tell me to take off

458
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 2: my Red Cross uniform. And I think I've always just

459
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: wanted to help people, like I think it's just in

460
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 2: my blood, wanting to give and help and support. And

461
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 2: so I think learning for me how to yeah focus

462
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: a little bit, be a little more selfish. And I

463
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: talk about that word as the loaded word too, But

464
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,959
Speaker 2: being able to kind of focus on myself without giving

465
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 2: all of myself away is just something I've had to

466
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: work on my whole life.

467
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 4: It's so hard, It is so hard to try to

468
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 4: bin back into yourself when you are someone that like

469
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 4: identifies as a giver and someone that likes to support.

470
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 4: But also what you've learned and what you speak about

471
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 4: so well in the book is that that oxygen mask moment,

472
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 4: the understanding that doing things for yourself isn't selfish. For

473
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 4: someone who hears this and they think, oh, man, I

474
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 4: feel guilty all of the time, where does someone even

475
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 4: begin with reclaiming this space and with letting go of

476
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 4: some of the guilt in your experience.

477
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: For me, it took time, and like so for me

478
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: starting to put running back in.

479
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: My life, there was guilt associated with that that I

480
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 2: felt guilty that I was taking twenty minutes outside of

481
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 2: my day doing something that was for me and not

482
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: for my family.

483
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: But then I did it, and I had, like I

484
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: called it, like a dipstick.

485
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: I'd come back and make sure my kids were still happy,

486
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 2: healthy and loved, and I'd come back and their world

487
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 2: went on and they were still happy, healthy, loved, and

488
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, Like my family could sustain this.

489
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: And then I'd tried running for thirty.

490
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: Minutes and I'd come back and be like, Okay, they're happy,

491
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 2: healthy and loved, Like this is okay.

492
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: So it took me just time to like slowly grow

493
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: that and realize.

494
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 2: And then I was realizing too that I was becoming

495
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: a better version of myself for them, and like just

496
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: going out for a run and doing that, like I

497
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 2: could be a more present mother, I could be just

498
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: more attentive, and I felt that I had done something

499
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: for myself so I could just give more.

500
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: And then also like kind of having that.

501
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: Dipstick I think allows you to adjust that there's weekends

502
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: that I've gone away for a race and I've come

503
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 2: back and like they're a little distraught, and it's like, okay,

504
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: so now I need to calibrate and make sure that they.

505
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: Again are feeling happy, healthy and loved.

506
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: But I think when you can kind of make that

507
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: dipstick and check that point, I don't know, I think

508
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: that that really helped me. But then also like my kids,

509
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 2: realizing that kids can learn a lot from other people,

510
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: they can be loved from other people like they it

511
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: can experience life in different ways, and I don't need

512
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: to be everything to them.

513
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: So I think the little bit of the type a letting.

514
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 2: Go is really helpful, Easier said than done, and just

515
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: like learning to ask for help, you know, when people

516
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: like show up and help you, Like it is sometimes

517
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: hard to ask for help, but it's very rewarding, I'm sure,

518
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: because I love when people ask me for help. So

519
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, why I'm so embarrassed to ask other

520
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: people for help. But yeah, so kind of all the

521
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: above kind of rambled on there.

522
00:23:59,280 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: A little bit.

523
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 4: Fine, all the above, I seriously relate to that, and

524
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 4: I never asked myself that question. I'm like, I love

525
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 4: helping people, so I'm sure that there's someone that would

526
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 4: love helping me. Although I've gotten better at opening up

527
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: and allowing for the help, I still have to our

528
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 4: conversation about guilt, like guilt being in this position where

529
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 4: I'm like, but I need your help.

530
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we're capable at us women, Emily, you know,

531
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: so like our default is that we can do it

532
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: all alone. And I think when we can let go

533
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: of that a little bit and invite, and then we

534
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: can realize, like how much we can learn from other

535
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: people too. Right, Like I come in and my mom's

536
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: doing something with my kids, like a craft that I'm like,

537
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: I would have never in a million years thought of that,

538
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: but that looks like so much fun.

539
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that they have this experience.

540
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: You know, And just like in life, similar things, when

541
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: people come and help you with things, You're like.

542
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: Wow, I would have never done it that way, But

543
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm so glad.

544
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 3: I just learned that, yes, totally.

545
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 4: In the book you write running makes me a better

546
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 4: mother and being a mother makes me a better runner.

547
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: Parenthood has released me from the pressure because whether runner

548
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: hero wins or loses, it doesn't impact mom.

549
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: Kira.

550
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 4: Now you've realized this that when you whether you win

551
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 4: or lose, it doesn't impact mom.

552
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: Kira.

553
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 4: I want to bring us to the Olympic trials. Do

554
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 4: you feel like this is something that your kids have

555
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 4: realized too?

556
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

557
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: Through running, I've been able to teach my kids a

558
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: lot of different things, like hopefully I've been able to

559
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: teach them how like find a passion and go for

560
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: it and what does go for it look like? It

561
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: means like showing up every day and maybe not every

562
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: day is better, but showing up on that consistent basis.

563
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: And like doing the best you can with that day.

564
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: And then I've also shown them like how to hopefully

565
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: win gracefully and more importantly, most of life we're falling

566
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: short right by default over half of our performances, you know,

567
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: or probably subpar, and like what do you do with that?

568
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: And I think like the true winners in life or

569
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 2: the type that are like okay, that didn't go very well.

570
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: Let's learn our lesson, Let's move on, Let's find what

571
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: we can learn from this, and let's move on. And

572
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: so I think like failing on like a big stage

573
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: with my kids, like very invested in that race, like

574
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: obviously not how I wanted the race to go out,

575
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: but maybe even a better lesson for them to see that,

576
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: like we don't always win, Like winning is more an

577
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: exception than like a reality every time. And so how

578
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: you can handle when you lose, you know, like learn

579
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: your lesson. We can be sad about it, that's okay,

580
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: Like all feelings are valid, but give yourself a point

581
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: where you're like, Okay, now I'm going to start moving forward.

582
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 2: I'm going to readjust I'm going to find a new

583
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: goal and watch mom go after the next thing she

584
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: goes for, Like that didn't break me, you know, So

585
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: I hope that they can learn resiliency through that.

586
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think sometimes even the.

587
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: Bad races, like they can learn more from the way,

588
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: you know, I handle myself.

589
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: We don't try hard going after a goal for it

590
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 4: not to go as we'd hoped. And this is certainly

591
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 4: something that you know a lot about. So recently in

592
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 4: your training, have there been moments where you've had to

593
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 4: kind of bring in this radical honesty and be like

594
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 4: this is working or this isn't working.

595
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this.

596
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: I mean this spring, I lined up for the Boston Marathon,

597
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: and I came in super underbaked. I had maybe a

598
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: couple months of training going into it off of being

599
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: off for a lot, and my training was just trying

600
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: to turn enough that I thought maybe I can do it.

601
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: And six miles into the race, I realized the wheels

602
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: were coming off. I was already hitting a wall and

603
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: I have twenty miles to go. And I realized then

604
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: that like I wasn't at risk of hypothermia or heatstroke,

605
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't injured, there was nothing.

606
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to do my body damage by finishing.

607
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: But I knew that would be a big moment for

608
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: me after coming off of Chicago and having to drop out.

609
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to finish the race, and

610
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: so I had to slow down a little bit and

611
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: I like kept it together, and that was a really

612
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of myself. I mean, it was one

613
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: of the slowest marathons I've run in the last ten years.

614
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: But I was so proud that I kept going even

615
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: though it wasn't my best day ever. It probably wasn't

616
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: even the best that I could do that day, but

617
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: I was really proud of myself for pushing through in

618
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: that moment, and that was like a moment that I

619
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: should have pushed through. And then I've had some workouts

620
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: since where I've shown up just tired or mentally exhausted

621
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: or mentically done that I've started a wrap and I've

622
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: just been like, it's not here today, and I'll just

623
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: go on like an easy run. And I'm so thankful

624
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: that coach at Eystone is a very realistic person and

625
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: there's no extra emotion around that, and he also trust

626
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: us that we're all like I don't think he's ever

627
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: going to have to tell any of us and we

628
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: need to run more, go faster. He's like raining us in.

629
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: So with that, he's like, yep, good, call cool it down,

630
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: you're good and come back to fighting. You know the

631
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: next workout.

632
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

633
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: And it's funny because people ask me all the time too,

634
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: like I want to do a marathon, but I don't

635
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: really want to train for it, like any I'm like, well,

636
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: don't do a marathon.

637
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: Don't do it until you really really want it. But

638
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: it's okay not to want.

639
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: To do a marathon too, you know, Like it's okay

640
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: if you're a runner and you decide you don't want

641
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: to run for a while, Like I didn't want to

642
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: run for eight or nine years, you know, and I

643
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 2: was able to get back and do this.

644
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, very personal, Sorry rambling again.

645
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: Oh you're never rambling for me. I find it all

646
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: so fascinating.

647
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: You're you're talking about basically that you've had so much

648
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: practice strengthening both your resiliency and your compassion muscles. It's

649
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 4: something that is aspirational for so many So when someone

650
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: hears you speak this way and they think, I too,

651
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: wish that I could have a bit more compassion for myself.

652
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: Aside from saying, well you just need to start, what

653
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: other practical advice do you have for that person?

654
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: It's so it's so tough, and it's something that you

655
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: need to work on and develop, and it takes time.

656
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: And I think for me, stop comparing yourself to your

657
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: best ever, and then it's a lot easier to be

658
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: compassionate for the person you are today. And like accepting

659
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: where you are today is where you are today. It

660
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're going to be there forever and you

661
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: can grow from here. But I think just showing the

662
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: person you are today some like just some grace. And

663
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: I think also like the version of you from the

664
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: past like was doing the best that he or she

665
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: could too, So I think showing like your past some

666
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: grace too, that that was the best I could do

667
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: with what I knew in the moment. And yeah, I've

668
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: done a lot of really stupid things, but you kind

669
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: of have to forgive yourself and learn from it and

670
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: just know that you're going to be better. And then

671
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: I think worrying about the future too like too much.

672
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: Like we can worry things about what we need to do,

673
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: but things out of our control we need to let

674
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: go of too. So I think it's like kind of

675
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: a combination of accepting yourself where you are, and like

676
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: I mean when I started back running and I tried

677
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: to run for three minutes and I only made it

678
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: ninety seconds, like I just like I mean, I cried

679
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 2: about it, so it wasn't like totally grace and I

680
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: was like, I can't believe this is where I am,

681
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: but I'm like, this is where I am. I'm a

682
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: ninety second runner today, maybe tomorrow or the day after

683
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: I can be a two minute runner.

684
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: So I think like giving yourself some time to just helps.

685
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then I mean just the old advice,

686
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: you know, talk to yourself the way you would talk

687
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: to friends. You know, like, I don't know, I'm the

688
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: hard on my friends at all. I'm always building them up,

689
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: So why shouldn't I build up myself too?

690
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: A men.

691
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: As you talk about in the book, perfectionism can backfire, right,

692
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: and that is it's so much easier said than done

693
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: to say to yourself, I'm not going to be a perfectionist.

694
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to level set my expectations. But it doesn't

695
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: mean that you don't want the best for yourself. Now,

696
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: I think in practice, wanting the best for yourself is

697
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 4: what we're talking about here. It is offering yourself this grace.

698
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: It is putting yourself in this position where, regardless of

699
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: the outcome, you can genuinely say I did the best

700
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: I could with what I had.

701
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

702
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think too, it's funny, just as you

703
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: were saying that this like analogy came to my mind

704
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: that if we are giving one hundred percent, that is

705
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: really close to our red line, right, we can't give

706
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: any more than one hundred percent, So if we like

707
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: tilt over the one hundred percent, we're on a razor's

708
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: edge of like the most we can do in something

709
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: that's like detrimental.

710
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: So I think too, like that's perfectionism.

711
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: Right, But what if we came off that one hundred

712
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: percent and what if we were training at ninety five

713
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: or ninety eight percent, That we're not quite redlining it.

714
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: And that's not we're not being perfectionist.

715
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: Like we can call it when we need to call it,

716
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: or we can shorten the cool down, or maybe like

717
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: we give ourselves a little bit of like extra grace

718
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: on like the pace, but that's so much more sustainable

719
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: because you're not on that razor's edge. So I think

720
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: like learning that good enough is good enough to I

721
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: talk about that a lot in the book, But I

722
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: think that helps with the perfectionism that like the point

723
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: of running and most things in life is consistency, and

724
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: if you're overdoing it and you're burning out, then it's

725
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: hard to be consistent.

726
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: When would you say you truly learned what your red

727
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: line is. Because a theme and something that I was

728
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: so interested to read it about in this book is

729
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 4: how often you are truly like pushing yourself to the

730
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: point of I have absolutely nothing left in the tank,

731
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: the medical tents, the hospital visits and all these things

732
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: as you're chasing the balands of your potential. So can

733
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 4: you recall the first time you really felt what it

734
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 4: was like to go all in?

735
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: Oh Man?

736
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: And I think that's like the biggest joke of life too,

737
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: is that red line is constantly moving.

738
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

739
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: Great, So it's like it's not like I know exactly

740
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: where it is, but every day it's a little bit different.

741
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: Every year it's a little different. The older our gun,

742
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: the more finicky that redline is. But I mean, I think, like,

743
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: I mean, the first race that came to mind is Houston.

744
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say that.

745
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: That race took everything more from me.

746
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: I was surprised that I finished on pace just because

747
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: of everything that I pushed through in that race, But

748
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: that one I truly went to the barrel and found

749
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: like what I had that day, which but I think

750
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: also I was running a pace to start out that

751
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: was probably conservative to allow me to do that even

752
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: though it felt fast from the gun I was. I

753
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: was in shape to do that, which is why I could.

754
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, that one empty, that one. I went

755
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: to some deep dark places in that race.

756
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 4: I like think about just being in the bathtub and

757
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 4: being like, am I Am I a human?

758
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: Still? Like what's happening here?

759
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 4: And I mean, we've certainly all had these moments where

760
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: we're in the pits of the darkest bits of ourselves

761
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 4: and we're trying to figure out how to pick ourselves

762
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 4: off the floor. And what I find so impressive about you,

763
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 4: Kira is it's like you keep getting to that edge

764
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 4: and you have this profound understanding that you get to

765
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: pick yourself back up, and that for so many again

766
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 4: is such a challenging realization. It's you could fall into

767
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: what so many refer to as this victim mindset, or

768
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: you can say, now I'm going to take this and

769
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to go.

770
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: From A to B because I get that opportunity.

771
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 4: Do you feel like that is a lesson, that growth

772
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 4: mindset that I get to mindset that you've learned over

773
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 4: time as an athlete, or is that something that was

774
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: instilled in you from a young age.

775
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: I think I learned that over the time.

776
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: And that's such like an interesting question too, because I

777
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: think I actually like the robustness of that lesson. I

778
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 2: think happened when I wasn't running and I was living

779
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: with these what ifs and would have cut a should

780
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: have and like what if I wouldn't have quit, and

781
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: there was just a lot of like turmoil in questions,

782
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: and that to me, is far harder to live with

783
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: than going for something and falling short. So it's so easy,

784
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: Like I mean, after I go for something and fall short,

785
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: like you could still step back and be like I

786
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: had the courage to start, Like look at me, go

787
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: like that is really cool that I set out on

788
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: this goal. And maybe I'm not there yet, maybe I

789
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: can get there in the future, but that is so

790
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: much more fun than sitting there one ding what if

791
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: and that like alone. Like someone recently asked me to

792
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: defind like what winning is, and I was like, you

793
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: know what, standing on the starting line, if any race

794
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: feels like a win. That I had the courage to

795
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: like pick a race, train for.

796
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: It and make it to the starting line, that to

797
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: me is winning. You know, everything else is gravy.

798
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: So It's like even when a race doesn't go quite well, well,

799
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: I put myself out there and I went for it,

800
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: which feels like so much further ahead of where here

801
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: was ten or fifteen years ago.

802
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: How does Kiara manage disappointment?

803
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: Oh?

804
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: Man, Like I am competitive, right, so I finish and

805
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: I'm like let down, But then like I think, I

806
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: quickly try to like pivot to like Okay, what did

807
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: I learn, Like how like what can we celebrate from that?

808
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: What do I need to like level up?

809
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: And what can I put in like the failure toolbox

810
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: from this race that make sure I never get back

811
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: here again? So I think I've become like really realistic.

812
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: And I think also too, it's like I don't know

813
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: just where are you in my life in my age,

814
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: like falling short on like a time goal and a

815
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: workout or a race, like I can handle that, you know,

816
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: like my kids get sick or something's wrong like that

817
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: like is crushing, so it kind of or like you know,

818
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: just something professional, Like I don't know, I think everything

819
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: in perspective, but it helps having other things in my

820
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: life just to help keep everything in perspective and then

821
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: just knowing it's not like progress isn't linear. We've heard

822
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: this a million times, but just knowing that it's not

823
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: always gonna you know, it's not this exponential. I don't

824
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: know X Yu gos X squared drap.

825
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole thing. You know, you brought up your age.

826
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 4: You get asked about it way more than I think

827
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 4: is even appropriate. But at this point, how does that

828
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 4: make you feel? That it is like an inevitable point

829
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 4: of the conversation when we talk about your performance as

830
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: an athlete.

831
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm really proud and I think I'm really proud to

832
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: be moving the bar for everybody.

833
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: And I think going for it as hard as I'm

834
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: going for it, I think is showing everybody what we're

835
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: all capable of. Like after the Track Championships this past July,

836
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: I cool down with a girl who was also in

837
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: the ten k race and she was like, Kira, I

838
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: love when you crush a race and I was like, oh, wow, yeah, thanks,

839
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and she's like, no, because I see

840
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: like every time you crush a race it adds years

841
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: to like my running longevity. It makes me feel like

842
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: I'm capable of so much more, and that my like

843
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: timeline and running just increased. So you just showed me

844
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: now that I can run for even longer and I

845
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: can improve for even longer, and how much like, yeah,

846
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 2: how much more I have to look forward to, which

847
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: allows me to be a lot more patient with where

848
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: I am today. So I'm really like that to me,

849
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: like that made the whole track meet. You know, I

850
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: like I ended up seventh and I broke like the

851
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: Master's American record, But that, like one little conversation meant.

852
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: More to me than any like place I would ever finish.

853
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: I think it's so special. I mean, I'm not that

854
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 4: far from you right now, and I still feel it's

855
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 4: so interesting to say the sentence, like it feels brave

856
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 4: to say I want to like beat my previous best time,

857
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: knowing that I'm thirty seven and not thirty one, right

858
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: but it is still much of our conversation of just

859
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 4: meeting yourself with where you're at, And I too, have

860
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 4: no ego about being realistic.

861
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: It's more like, no, this is entirely within the wheelhouse.

862
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 4: And how special is it that we get to feel

863
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: that way at this stage in the game as you

864
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: are moving forward right now, I know that this what

865
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: if question is a big one for you. What are

866
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: the what ifs that are kind of on the tip

867
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 4: of your tongue.

868
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: At the moment, I think, like, what if I can

869
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: still run faster?

870
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: What if I have a marathon PR and half marathon

871
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: PR and like a national.

872
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: Champion stip still in me?

873
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: Like what if I can run healthy for the next

874
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: three years and qualify for the next Olympic Trials and

875
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: show up as a competitor at the twenty twenty eight

876
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: Olympic Trials, Like those are all like those are all

877
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: question marks that are really fun and really exciting and

878
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to unless I go for it,

879
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 2: So might as well go for it.

880
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: Is it hard for you to shut out what everybody

881
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: else has to say?

882
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because the running world in general

883
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: never thought I'd ever amount.

884
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: To what I amounted to.

885
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: So it's hard then to also listen when they're like,

886
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: you know, when they're like, oh, that's you know, that's

887
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: it for Kira, you know, it's like, well you didn't

888
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: actually you never were cheering for me, or you never

889
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: saw when I could break an American record either. So

890
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: I can't trust what you think, like I can trust

891
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: myself and my coach and my teammates and my support system,

892
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: like I believe in them and I.

893
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: Listen to that.

894
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: But outside of that, like it's, you know, they don't

895
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm going through or how hard I'm working,

896
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: or what I'm going through like on the track and workouts,

897
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: so it's it's it's been easy, kind of easy to

898
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 2: block it out.

899
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I guess.

900
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

901
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 4: I really appreciate how open you were in the book

902
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: talking about the coming to and understanding of what you

903
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 4: wanted to do with your sponsors.

904
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: Right there was an.

905
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 4: Opportunity that came your way that just didn't sit right

906
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 4: with you, and that is a great example of you

907
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: trusting your gut and going with what.

908
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: You thought was best.

909
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: Have there been moments or instances in your career where

910
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: you look back and you say, maybe I should have

911
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: gone that way.

912
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: I think I have done a pretty good job of

913
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: following my heart and picking goals that are very authentic

914
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: and that excite me. And I don't think I will

915
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: ever regret doing something that feels really like authentic and

916
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: passionate and exciting to me, Like I am totally fine

917
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: going for something and learning my lesson as long as

918
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: I'm choosing to go for it. And I've had like

919
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: people in the past that have advised me to do

920
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: different things and that have suggested to do this, and

921
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: I've been really proud of being able to be like,

922
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: you know what, I have to live with my choices,

923
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: and I have to live with the outcome, and I

924
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: have to live with training for this for months and

925
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: months and months. So I really want to make sure

926
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: it's something that I'm really excited about and I can

927
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: live with whether I like, yeah, if I hit it,

928
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: or if I don't yeah.

929
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: And I think that also is like so impressive, right,

930
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 4: just getting to this place where you're like, these are

931
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: my decisions to make because it is challenging not to

932
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: let all of the noise, the external noise, be something

933
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: that impacts your decision making. And I'm not saying that

934
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 4: there haven't been times that it's popped in a little bit,

935
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 4: but being able to put the blinders up and be like, Okay,

936
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: let's do an honest gut check, like what feels right

937
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: for Kiro, what feels right for Emily. That is again

938
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: that resiliency muscle in full effect well.

939
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: And I think like I've had some clear wise on

940
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: this journey, and so whenever I've been conflicted about what

941
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: to do, I resort back to my whys and that

942
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: becomes the answer.

943
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 3: We thought, it's pretty easy, So what are the why?

944
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: So?

945
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, I still want to see how

946
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: fast I can run, So like my overall goal in

947
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: this sport is how fast can cure it run, So

948
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: picking races or picking you know, a training group, and

949
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: picking like a shoe that I want to run in,

950
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: it's all filtered, like is this going to help? Is

951
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: this going to support how fast I can run? So

952
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: that like single goals like for running, and then I

953
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: have like other like more I don't know what's it

954
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: called the smart goals that are like measurable goals you

955
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: know too.

956
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

957
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: But then also like I feel.

958
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: Like running for a wei has been really powerful for me,

959
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: like the we being teamed motto, the we being women,

960
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: the we being mothers, the we being people that aren't

961
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: in their twenties anymore. So I feel like that's also

962
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: been like a big y for me, is just showing

963
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: us all what we're capable of.

964
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been really powerful for me too, Kira, Just

965
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: so you know, so as you look forward, then we

966
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 4: obviously have talked about the goals, maybe the more smart

967
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: goals a little bit within sport. But when you think

968
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: about what else that you want for your life right now,

969
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: what goals come to mind?

970
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: What brings happiness to Kira?

971
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be a great mom, Like I

972
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: want to be real involved with my kids, Like I

973
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: hope that my kids grow up and they're the kind

974
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: that want to like check in with me, like on

975
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: a daily basis. So I'm trying to plant those seeds

976
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: now so when they don't, like they don't have to

977
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: talk to me every day, they're going to want to

978
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: be calling me.

979
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: So that's like a big goal of mine. But just

980
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: making sure that.

981
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: They feel again like happy, healthy and loved. So that yeah,

982
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: some family goals. And then I would you know, after

983
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: like who knows how long this, Like I'll be able

984
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: to chase my fastest times ever, but I'd like to

985
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: still be involved in the sport in a way they

986
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: can help support, motivate, encourage.

987
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: Like empower other runners.

988
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: I don't quite know what that is yet, but I

989
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: got to take care of some more and furnished business

990
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: before I get there.

991
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 4: When you say that, Joni comes to mind, and I

992
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 4: think about all that she's been able to to do

993
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: for the sport of women's running, long after she stopped

994
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 4: running competitively. But nothing brings more joy to me than

995
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 4: seeing her just still out there kicking literally running races

996
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: just because it brings her joy, not because she's going

997
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 4: for the goals that she had, you know, twenty five

998
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 4: years ago.

999
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: Right.

1000
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: And I'm so impressed by her too, because she's still

1001
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: a competitor and it is so cool to.

1002
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: See that she's a huge role model for me and inspiration.

1003
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: She's inspiring us.

1004
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: All I do, for a second want to go back

1005
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: to this because it's just such a through line for you,

1006
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 4: this idea of like I want to be the best

1007
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 4: mom possible.

1008
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: Do you have any reason to believe that you're not?

1009
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: No, No, But I feel like I get one shot

1010
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: at this, right, I get one shot to see them

1011
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: grow up, and I get one shot to help them become.

1012
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: The people that they're going to be proud of.

1013
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think also it relates back to like

1014
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: that mom guilt too, you know, I think that that's

1015
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: like all full circle that I like, I hope I'm

1016
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: doing everything I.

1017
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: Can for them.

1018
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 4: I hear you when you talk about your running and

1019
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: you talked about how you manage with disappointment, and it

1020
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 4: seems as though you have such a solid mindset on

1021
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: managing your expectations within sport, but when it comes to

1022
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: your kid, you're like, I will not mess this up.

1023
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is. But I've also realized I'm far

1024
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: from perfect.

1025
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: And I talk about this a lot in the book

1026
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: that like I have burnt meals and thrown the whole

1027
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: pan into the garbage, like I am totally fine buying store,

1028
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: bought Kate for someone's birthday, Like I have forgotten things,

1029
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: I've dropped ball, So I am far from perfect.

1030
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: Someone comes to your Instagram page, they see this rock

1031
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: star athlete, someone who's still chasing as fast as she

1032
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: can go and all of this new potential that's still

1033
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 4: in there. But when you look in the mirror, what

1034
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 4: is it that you see looking back at you?

1035
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: You know, that's really funny, Like I I don't see

1036
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: like Runner Cure when I look at the mirror, Like

1037
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: I like to me, Kira is you know how like

1038
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: Mario has a Warrio, so like Runner Cure is like

1039
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: my Warrio. Okay, So I don't even want to say,

1040
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: it's like.

1041
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: A bad version.

1042
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: It's like not evil or anything like that, but it's

1043
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: like this ultra ego almost like real Kira is like

1044
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 2: a mom that's like, you know, trying to keep track

1045
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: of to do list and planning birthday parties and picking

1046
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: up kids and trying to remember tonight's soccer lacrosse and

1047
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 2: like what's for dinner. So to me, that's like real

1048
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: life and it feels like kind of like dress up

1049
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: in a way when I get to go put on

1050
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: like a tractorsy and race people as fast as I can.

1051
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: But it definitely like I don't see that version of

1052
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: Kira when I when I look in the mirror.

1053
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: How does Kira feel lately when she looks in the mirror, I'm.

1054
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: Proud, Yeah, I feel good, Like I'm really proud of

1055
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: where I am right now. I'm proud of all the

1056
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: work that I've done in the last year, even if

1057
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: I haven't, you know, had to race time necessarily to

1058
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: show that I'm proud of the person I am, and

1059
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: just I don't know the way that I treat the world,

1060
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: in the way that I look at the world. So yeah,

1061
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: I'm really I'm happy with who I am.

1062
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that sentiment? Although I might not have

1063
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: a race time to show that. I think there are

1064
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 4: a lot of people who may be a bit harder

1065
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 4: on themselves than this when they say something like that,

1066
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 4: feeling like they're putting in the work and time and

1067
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: and time and again it's just not clicking. How they'd

1068
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 4: hope for someone that comes to you and says, what

1069
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 4: am I doing here? Is this even worth it anymore?

1070
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 4: With that sentiment in mind, what is it that you

1071
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 4: tell them?

1072
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: Like are you having fun? Like? Are you enjoying this?

1073
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: And not every run is going to be fun? Not

1074
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: every race is going to be fun.

1075
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of days where you

1076
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: don't feel like doing it, and you do it anyways,

1077
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: But like, overall, are you on like the adventure of

1078
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: a lifetime? Right? And if you are, then keep going

1079
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: and you'll work through this and you will find another peak.

1080
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: And if you're not, then let's figure out what do

1081
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: we need to change about how you're structuring it, what

1082
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: your goals are, how you're imported, or maybe you just

1083
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: need a little like to pull back a little bit

1084
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: from being so aggressive with running. But yeah, I think like, yeah,

1085
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: put it through, like is this are you having the time.

1086
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: Of your life?

1087
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 4: What does fall look like for Kira with a book

1088
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 4: coming out and beyond?

1089
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm really excited for this book to come out.

1090
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: I am, yeah, also very nervous, but on yeah, on

1091
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: the pub day on nine to nine, I'm doing an

1092
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 2: event at in Park City at the Barnes and Noble.

1093
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: And on nine ten, I'm.

1094
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: Going to Chicago to do an event with the wind

1095
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: Runners in Chicago, and I've heard they're going to have

1096
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: Reverer floats there, so I'm like counting down the days,

1097
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: Like I could also just make a rut beer float

1098
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: with what I have in my kitchen right now. But

1099
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: the fact that they're going to be like having a

1100
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Speaker 2: Ruvier float party on nine ten.

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited.

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Speaker 3: But is it a cookie dough flot?

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00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: That's what I need to I need to ask because

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Speaker 2: a lot of people don't do that, and a lot

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00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: of people actually think that's gross, but I think they're

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00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: really truly messing out. And then I'll fly from Chicago

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00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: to Copenhagen to run the Copenhagen Half marathon, so that that's.

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Speaker 1: Going to be a week.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to like, yeah, finally my book to

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00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: go out into the world. But I also like that

1111
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: I'll be traveling internationally, so when people start reading it,

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Speaker 2: I can like kind of.

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00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: Go to the dark a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You know, so we'll see, like we'll see it, and

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00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 2: then I can come back and be like, do people

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00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: like this? How is it being received? Is it like

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00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: are people taking from it what I set to like

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Speaker 2: share with the world. And I hope that connects.

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Speaker 3: So what does success look like for you as an author?

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Speaker 2: I think if people can read this and feel inspired,

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00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: I think that's success. Like if you can read this

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00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: and say, you know what, like that really hit me,

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Speaker 2: or I could relate to this, or I learned this

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00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: little trick, or there was someone who read it recently

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Speaker 2: and that posted like I'm going to sign up for

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Speaker 2: a marathon. Like to me, that was like the highest

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00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: compliment that they read all this and I talked about

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Speaker 2: the highs and the lows and how much a marathon

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00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: can really suck at times too, but she.

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00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Took from the general story that she wanted.

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00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: To try to go out and do a marathon, So

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Speaker 2: that to me felt like really really good. And I

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00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 2: also like I hope that this isn't contained to just

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00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: like the running world. Like I hope that people look

1135
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: at my book and the way that we look at

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00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: ted Lasso, like we're not all obsessed with soccer. We

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00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: liked soccer being in the story. It's fun to watch,

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00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: but it's not about soccer. And I feel like that's

1139
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: like I talk about running a lot, and I say

1140
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: in the proleg this isn't a book about running, and

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00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: there's a lot of running in the book, But I

1142
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: think running is just the way that I've learned a

1143
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 2: lot of these lessons, like how I've like come back

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00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: to my truest and happiest self and just just the

1145
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: method I've used to chase, you know, being the best

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00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 2: version of Kira.

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00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so special.

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00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: And I will tell you that I really relate to

1149
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 4: this concept of like a vulnerability hangover.

1150
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 3: I remember when my cover story came out.

1151
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 4: I asked a friend if we could go to yoga

1152
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 4: and put our phones on DND and she goes, no,

1153
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 4: I want to be in the world when it comes out.

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00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 3: I said, I don't.

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00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to be in the world at all.

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00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll give it some space and we'll let

1157
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: it kind of Yeah, we'll see.

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00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: What the reception is. And then I've been like, I've

1159
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: been so lucky that the.

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00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: People that have been supporting me and like you know,

1161
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: messaged me on Instagram, like ninety nine percent of it

1162
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: is so positive and a lot of them are other

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00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: women that you know, maybe put running aside and brought

1164
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: it back, but can like really relate to my story.

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00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: So I find that they've been really encouraging and really

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00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: loved me and really supportive.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm excited for people to start reading that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm so appreciative of you.

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00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: And you know how I wrap up here right now,

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00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 4: you have an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice.

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00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 4: Let's go back to shortly after last year, the two

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00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: places broken foot, feeling just down on our luck and

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00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 4: having a tough go at it. Right now, knowing what

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Speaker 4: you know, now, what advice would you give Kira a

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Speaker 4: year ago?

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Speaker 1: I would just say, a year from now, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be kicking ass, like, hold on for the ride.

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00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: It's gonna get a little bump, b but you have

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Speaker 2: what it takes to move through it.

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Speaker 1: Everything you need is inside of you.

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Speaker 3: So beautiful, kire to motto, so grateful for you.

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00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 4: For those that aren't following along with you, just yet

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00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 4: give us the details.

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00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 3: How do we keep up with you? Where do we

1185
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 3: get the book? All the things?

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00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: So probably Instagram's the best way at Kira Dematto. And

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00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm also really active on Strava. And if you haven't

1188
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: started using Strava, I think you should because it's such

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00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: a fun way to gamify moving your body. I don't

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Speaker 2: work for Strava. I've never been paid by Strava. This

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00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 2: is not a Strava sponsored ad, but I really love Estrava.

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00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: But I'm very active on Strava too, so and then yeah,

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Speaker 2: my book, you can find it. I also I mean

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Speaker 2: wherever books are sold, Amazon, Barnes and Noble. And then

1195
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Speaker 2: also you can shop local, which I think is really cool.

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00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: And I read the audio book for it. So the

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Speaker 2: audiobook comes out in the same day on nine to nine.

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Speaker 2: And so it's my words and my voice, and I

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Speaker 2: definitely mispronounced some things. I listen to it back, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: that's probably not how you say that word, but it flows.

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Speaker 2: I get what I was trying to say. But it

1202
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 2: was really special and I really like I didn't. I wanted,

1203
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: like a professional to record it because I thought that

1204
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: it would sound better. And I'm so glad that my

1205
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: publisher was like, it should be your voice. It's a

1206
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: memoir and the same thing like I didn't want my

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00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: picture to be on the cover of the book, and

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00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: she's like, it's a book about you, you should be

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00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: on it.

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00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: But I want you so anyway. So I'm so lucky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for Saint Martin's Press and Sarah Canton and the

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Speaker 2: whole team over there.

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Speaker 1: They've been incredible. But yes, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Also doing the audiobook, which I think, like, I laugh

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00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 2: at my jokes before I tell the jokes in the book,

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00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 2: which is to me just kind.

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00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: Of funny, so you got to that. But but yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's also on audiobook.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I'm over at Emily a Baddie and at Hurdle Podcast

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Speaker 4: Another Hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.