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Speaker 1: making us part of your day. Jmac went out on

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Speaker 1: the town last night, watched the Seahawks with a friend.

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Speaker 1: A lot of energy, a lot of energy, and I'm

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Speaker 3: I try never to be a Homer.

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Speaker 1: I try not to be. It's hard, you know, you

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Speaker 1: grow up with certain teams. But Arroyo, JSN, Kenneth Walker,

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Speaker 1: Sam Arnold defensive coach, and I do think they have

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Speaker 1: as good a GM as the league has outside of

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Speaker 1: Howie Roseman. I see Seattle, I see a lot of talent.

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Speaker 1: I see a super Bowl capable team. I do after

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Speaker 1: that performance last night, making your Super Bowl bubble pick

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Speaker 1: look kind of sharp?

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Speaker 3: Huh, kind of did so?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no greater example of where you land

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Speaker 1: matters than Sam Darnold, USC, Jets, Carolina, Especially Jets and Carolina.

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Speaker 3: They asked him at.

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Speaker 1: A very young age carry the franchise the last two stops,

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Speaker 1: good coaches, good roster. Suddenly he's elite, and oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's elite. Last two years, he's tied for the most

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Speaker 1: wins in the league by a quarterback. He's tied for

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Speaker 1: the most game winning drives with Patrick Mahome, and he

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Speaker 1: leads the NFL in big plays. And this is the

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Speaker 1: second youngest offensive roster. So he's doing it with kids.

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Speaker 1: Rookie tight end jsn the rookie from Colorado State Walker

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Speaker 1: people say, well, at the end of last season, he

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Speaker 1: got blown out. I've seen Mahomes get blown out in

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Speaker 1: two Super Bowls. I love Lamar Jackson. I've seen him

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Speaker 1: freeze in the headlights multiple games in the playoffs. If

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Speaker 1: you look at what have the Jets and the Panthers

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Speaker 1: done since Sam Darnold left, they remain pathetic. Sometimes winners

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Speaker 1: in life can't elevate every loser.

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Speaker 3: High school.

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Speaker 1: He was a winner, USC Rose Bowl, he was a winner, Vikings,

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Speaker 1: He's a winner. Seattle, He's a winner. Nobody can help

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Speaker 1: the Jets and the Panthers, so like not everybody can elevate,

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Speaker 1: elevate everything. Four straight seasons with better coaching. Oh, his

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Speaker 1: When he went to New York, he was ridiculously young.

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Speaker 1: He was twenty one years old, and he wasn't ready

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Speaker 1: for New York. And New York the Jets aren't ready

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Speaker 1: look at this young roster, and I think it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: We know, oh, Green Bay is a really young roster,

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Speaker 1: Donald keeps bouncing around to teams everywhere he goes. It

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Speaker 1: Now he goes to Seattle, the opposite their kid's second

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Speaker 1: you the leadership. You know, I was thinking about this

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Speaker 1: And I've always said this about Dak Prescott. I don't

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Speaker 1: better tangibles. Both have great intangibles. They're loved by teammates,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just look at Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: He just plopped into Seattle. And it's already working. That

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Speaker 1: He's just like just I guess, such a cool customer,

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Speaker 1: And I said yesterday I put the Seahawks in the

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Speaker 1: all I see with Seattle is they just don't miss

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Speaker 1: So I was watching Kyler Murray last night. I have

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Speaker 1: But I do think privately watching last night, if he

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Speaker 1: He's not terribly verbal. I feel like sometimes he feels detached.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like he's obsessed with football, but I

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Speaker 1: will defend his talent forever. But when I see Mahomes

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Speaker 1: they're totally in sync. And I always watched Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's the fifth longest ten year quarterback

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Speaker 3: Fifth, who's he close to? Who's he connected to?

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching last night and again I've defended him

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Speaker 3: One of the guys.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of times, I'll watch politicians and I'll

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Speaker 1: been pretty good in close games. Why is Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: And I just don't know if he's a unifier. He

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Speaker 1: always feels detached. He's not a lead us over the

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Speaker 1: hill when games get close. When fit hits the shan

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Speaker 1: in life, people aren't looking for talent, They're looking for guidance.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think the body language, the head shaking.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: I will defend him and have defended him talent, no question,

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Speaker 1: He's the best slider.

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Speaker 1: He's got a beautiful ball, he move and giving the

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Speaker 1: baseball background has helped him in football. But Baker is

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Speaker 4: Like, guys, get.

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Speaker 1: On my back, I'm leading the way. You can see

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Speaker 1: Murray It's just like it's just sort of talented. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't feel like that he's like a

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Speaker 1: unifier in this league. I mean that game last night,

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Speaker 1: they all doesn't it feel like they all end like this?

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Speaker 1: How many games this year have like ended on the

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Speaker 3: That's the league.

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Speaker 1: It's about unity and connectibility and how close you are

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Speaker 1: and who's going to lead us over the hill. And

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Speaker 1: that's the Darnold walks into a brand new club with

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Speaker 1: Kyler's just really talented. I mean, his career record when

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Speaker 1: like he just shuts it down. I never feel that

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Speaker 1: think Kyler's got more talent than Baker, I really do.

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Speaker 1: But Baker is fighting to the last play. Kyler's eight

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Speaker 6: you know what I mean. It's like we're just floating, you.

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Speaker 7: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: And it's taking too long.

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Speaker 6: Obviously there's the resilience of the team is you love

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: There is there a team in the NFL that always

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Speaker 1: and just doesn't win a lot of them, more than Arizona.

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Speaker 1: And I think sometimes you got to say, well, who's

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Speaker 3: It's not a lack of talent.

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Speaker 1: So J Mack, you have been bailing on Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: for a long time, and there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: reports that he's not obsessed about football and whatever I do,

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Speaker 1: I think he is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. He's certainly good.

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Speaker 1: But it was that was one of those games where

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Speaker 1: I don't know, just the body language, the mannerism. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like when he trails, he bails,

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Speaker 1: and I think he can't do that as a quarterback.

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Speaker 8: That's not a great moniker to slap on him, but

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Speaker 8: that sounds accurate. Another part of the handicap yesterday, Remember

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Speaker 8: I really like Seattle. Kyler just can't do anything against Seattle.

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Speaker 8: I think he's lost like six or seven in Rowe,

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Speaker 8: some ridiculous number. He just can't generate offense. Now, it's

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Speaker 8: obviously not all on in The offensive line was bad.

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Speaker 8: I think he got sacked six times. But I just

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Speaker 1: All right, that's going to be an insane college football weekend.

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Speaker 1: And I'm reading the headlines this morning. Oregon going to

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Speaker 8: All right, Colin, let's go to the Philadelphia Eagles three

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Speaker 8: and oh big big showdown with the three and oh

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Speaker 1: I pulled this game out of my blazing five. This

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia is the better team. But Todd Bowles

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Speaker 3: I pulled This was the last pick that I.

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Speaker 4: The chicken there, coward, I'm bailing on the Eagles. Okay,

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Speaker 8: It's well, you know, remember how one of my big

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Speaker 4: It constantly revolving colin as a team.

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Speaker 8: They would be tight end heavy, they would go slot receiver,

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Speaker 8: running back defense. They won a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 8: So this Eagles offense, everybody thinks of it as, oh,

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Speaker 8: we need to. But what's underreported is this defense Colin

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Speaker 8: is unbelievable. They can win now with defense, the run game,

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Speaker 4: Where's the weakness on this team?

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Speaker 8: Honestly, I'm just straight up what does what's interesting is there?

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia is just a bad matchup for a lot of

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Speaker 1: But I think Philadelphia and Tampa. I think Tampa actually,

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Speaker 1: I think they match up better. I think they have

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Speaker 1: a corner. I think their interior line is better than

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Speaker 1: the you know, than the Rams. I think this game

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Speaker 1: I just had to stay away for me. Yeah, Tampa

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Speaker 1: at home. Baker the Way's plan it's stay away.

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Speaker 8: So did you see that Tampa, by the way, has

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Speaker 8: signed or brought him up from the practice squad, a

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Speaker 8: guy who's like four hundred and seventy five pounds, in

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Speaker 8: an effort to put him next to vite Veya and

446
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Speaker 8: stop the tourst push. They're calling him the Church push stopper.

447
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Speaker 8: This dude, there's a real thing. Tampa's like strategizing. So

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Speaker 8: I respect that.

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Speaker 4: And like you said, Bowles has bottled.

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Speaker 8: Up hurts if you look at their matchups, his schemes

451
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Speaker 8: have given him problems.

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Speaker 4: I like Tille.

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Speaker 8: All right, let's go to the next story. And my Niners.

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Speaker 8: Remember you made me pivot from the Jets to the

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Speaker 8: Niners a couple of years ago. They're three and oh

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Speaker 8: colin interesting situation developing a quarterback. Brock perty quote should

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Speaker 8: return according to Kyle Shanahan. But is that because Mac

458
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Speaker 8: Jones seemingly cannot go. He's limited a practice right now.

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Speaker 8: Toe and shoulder for Mac Jones. He got beat up

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Speaker 8: in that Cardinals game. I want to be on the

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Speaker 8: Niners here.

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Speaker 4: Uh. I'm a little nervous.

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Speaker 8: Though about this Jacksonville team, because I, for some reason,

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Speaker 8: I like Jacksonville this season.

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Speaker 1: I know I can't justify it, yet I always feel

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Speaker 1: the Niners. I don't bet the Niners very often, if

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Speaker 1: you really look, I don't. And one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: I don't is I never know who's playing.

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Speaker 3: I don't like to.

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Speaker 1: I like to go into bets with answers, not questions.

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Speaker 1: I know they have a great coach, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know who the quarterback is.

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Speaker 3: Going to be. You know.

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Speaker 1: I just when you have old, more brutal players that

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Speaker 1: you can lose, like without Bosa, it's not the same

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Speaker 1: defense I did not so I think with the Niners,

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Speaker 1: I'm always like game time decision, who's playing? When when

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Speaker 1: I turn the game out, I'm like, okay, he's playing

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Speaker 1: Kittles back. I can't go into a game where I

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Speaker 1: don't know who the starting quarterback is. If brought Pertty

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Speaker 1: had played in practice all week, I think San Francisco

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Speaker 1: with well.

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Speaker 4: Final one on the Niners before we move to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 8: I wonder if the Niners are so worried about offense

485
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Speaker 8: that they had Robert Salah go out and say, hey,

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Speaker 8: you know the Jags steal signals on the sideline, which

487
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Speaker 8: is like a little brushfire to take it away, the

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Speaker 8: attention away from the Niners injuries and put it on

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Speaker 8: the Jags. Interesting subplot. That's a great game. I'm very

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Speaker 8: excited for that. Long in the afternoon of Fox final

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Speaker 8: story Colin is Michael Parsons and the return to Dallas. Obviously,

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Speaker 8: people are excited that he gets to go against a

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Speaker 8: beat up offensive line in Dallas and he's going.

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Speaker 4: To be chasing around Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 8: Here's Dak talking about how the story of the game

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Speaker 8: should not be about the two friends.

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Speaker 10: It'll definitely be fun. Yeah, there's one me and my

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Speaker 10: fiance are just talking about the other day and just

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Speaker 10: just all the the reps of practice going against Micah,

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Speaker 10: you know, in times when he couldn't hit me, whether

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Speaker 10: him getting back there, just the trash tug back and forth.

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Speaker 10: Just excited to go and have that match up. But

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Speaker 10: he's got five guys up front plus tight ends and

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Speaker 10: running back. Said, he's got to get through, so then

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Speaker 10: we'll worry about if you can get to me.

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Speaker 8: It is.

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Speaker 1: It's a testament to Dak Prescott that as bad as

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Speaker 1: Dallas's defense with Ceedee Lamb hurt, they're only a touchdown

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Speaker 1: underdog at home.

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Speaker 4: That's a big number roads to cover a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Green Bays offense.

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Speaker 4: They scored ten against the Browns.

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Speaker 3: I mean Browns may.

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Speaker 1: Have the first, second or third best defense in the league.

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Speaker 8: They've played well early final note, wouldn't you appreciate it

516
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Speaker 8: if Dak went to the podium and be like, bro,

517
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Speaker 8: what do you expect me to do against the Micah?

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Speaker 8: I out have Ceedee Lamb Like he was just brutally honest. Hey,

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Speaker 8: Jake Ferguson's nice. Pickens is nice. We're going up against

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Speaker 8: the machine here, Guys, we're in trouble if you know

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Speaker 8: what's be honest.

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Speaker 1: I always thought Pickens. You know, Pickens is a huge talent.

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Speaker 1: He's good, but when you put him on the field

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Speaker 1: with Ceedee Lamb, he's not close to Ceedee Lamb.

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Speaker 3: Like that tells you.

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Speaker 1: Like Ceedee Lamb separates on every pass play, like Ceedee

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Speaker 1: Lamb separates from good corners, Pickens doesn't separate. He's just

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Speaker 1: long and really strong and physical, but he doesn't separate.

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Speaker 4: Lamb can run every.

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Speaker 8: Route in the route treet okay Pickens is basically his

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Speaker 8: move is to go route. Remember last year Russell Wilson

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Speaker 8: would basically just throw him jump balls.

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Speaker 4: That was the offense for them. Deep.

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Speaker 8: I like Packers a lot. Here, tolland tell me you

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Speaker 8: included this game.

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 1: I don't take this. You you love the big TV games.

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Speaker 4: No, those are the ones you don't want to I.

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Speaker 3: Don't you you. I think this is go into the

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Speaker 3: weeds on stuff.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but remind me what happened in that playoff game.

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Speaker 8: Do you remember that Packers Cowboys playoff game?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It was a blowout.

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Speaker 4: I mean it was from the d was like twenty

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Speaker 4: eight nothing.

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Speaker 8: I would not be shocked if this was the early

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Speaker 8: Packers Holy smokes.

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Speaker 3: All right, J McK of the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, the game everybody's talking about. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it will be the best game, but it is.

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Speaker 1: It feels big is Baltimore in Kansas City. So I

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Speaker 1: think we have found officially the limit on how much

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Speaker 1: even a superstar, legendary quarterback can do. Mahomes maybe one

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Speaker 1: and three after the weekend. They just don't have any

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Speaker 1: juice offensively, and Lamar Babe, maybe one in three after

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Speaker 1: the weekend. They don't do anything right. Now well defensively,

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Speaker 1: although they are a little banged up. So we all

560
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Speaker 1: know that if you give like average quarterbacks, really good weapons,

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Speaker 1: good coach, they can feel like a different quarterback. But

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Speaker 1: even all time greats have limits. And in Mahomes, think

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Speaker 1: about this. In Mahomes' last twenty two starts, we look

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Speaker 1: this up, he has a lower passer rating, lower than

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. So nothing lasts forever. Andy Reid and Belichick

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Speaker 1: were fired in this league. Brady and Belichick in their

567
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Speaker 1: dynasty went in the middle of it, went three years

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Speaker 1: without winning a playoff game. So I mean, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of what has happened to Kansas City, it's not

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Speaker 1: their fault. They've had weird injuries, Navy or Worthy runs

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Speaker 1: into Travis Kelce. I've had suspensions by players who get into.

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Speaker 3: Hit and runs and do really bad things.

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Speaker 1: And you know, they've missed on a couple of wide

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Speaker 1: receivers like Skymore.

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Speaker 3: Everybody does.

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of times we talk about

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Speaker 1: this the eye test.

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Speaker 3: And yesterday I put.

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Speaker 1: Up the Super Bowl bubble of you know, the five

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Speaker 1: or six teams that I feel can win the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and the one thing they all have in common and

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Speaker 1: you saw it with Seattle last night. You can see

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Speaker 1: the energy. There is something that's special. And when I

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Speaker 1: watch Kansas City, they look a little tired, they look fatigue.

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Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of dynamic performers. Chris Jones

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Speaker 1: in the trenches is good, but trust your eyes. I

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Speaker 1: just I mean, my team's in the Super Bowl bubble,

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Speaker 1: and even the two or three surrounding them, there is

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Speaker 1: something that is exceptional. I don't see exceptional. I think

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Speaker 1: Andy and Mahomes are all time great, but offensively not

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Speaker 1: a lot of juice. They come out slow, and I

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Speaker 1: gotta see you gotta feel like a baseball pitcher who's

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Speaker 1: throwing one on one and you're thrown at past people

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Speaker 1: and I feel like they're a guy throwing sliders in

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Speaker 1: the low nineties and they're painting the corners and you

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Speaker 1: you know, Greg Maddox maybe won that way. Most don't.

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Speaker 1: So I just I think the offense, it's between miss

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Speaker 1: draft picks they couldn't afford. Joe Tooney, Travis Kelsey getting old,

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Speaker 1: weird injury, ridiculous suspension, not that the suspension was ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: that Rashid Rice's behavior was. I think it just all

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Speaker 1: adds up to mid or worse than mid last twenty

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Speaker 1: two games. Mahomes lower passer rating the Russell Wilson who

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Speaker 1: just got benched.

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Speaker 3: Here's Mahomes on the evolving offense.

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Speaker 11: I understand that these guys can can protect and they

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Speaker 11: can get me time to make these throws, and I'll

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Speaker 11: continue to get better and better at that and try

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Speaker 11: to get make some of these throws more accurate down

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Speaker 11: the field and then instead of hitting one to two

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Speaker 11: a game, making that three to four in five to six,

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Speaker 11: and then defense was back up and it will help

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Speaker 11: us out with other stuff within the offense. You got

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Speaker 11: to be able to execute and show the showcase that

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Speaker 11: you can hit those throws. And if you do that,

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Speaker 11: they'll adjust and then we have to adjust as well.

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Speaker 11: And so that's what's beautiful about the NFL is you

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Speaker 11: have to be able to adjust on the fly and

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Speaker 11: make things happen.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: I think Mahomes is carrying a very average unit, and

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Speaker 1: we talked about it this week. When you pay the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons Tampa and Seattle are so good.

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Speaker 1: They've got really good quarterbacks playing at real team friendly deals.

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Speaker 1: When you pay Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, you have holes.

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Speaker 1: You're just you're going to have to give up special players.

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Speaker 1: If Joe Tooney was still on this team, maybe the

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Speaker 1: offensive line would look different. But he's not, and it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: So you know it's I said this the other day,

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Speaker 1: j Mac. For about three to four years, it felt

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Speaker 1: like the AFC the best were way better than the NFC.

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Speaker 1: Then you had to pay Lamar, Then you had to

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Speaker 1: pay Josh, Then you had to pay Mahomes, you had

633
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Speaker 1: to pay Trevor Lawrence, you had to.

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Speaker 3: Pay all the quarterbacks, Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Now those teams had to make sacrifices on personnel. So

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Speaker 1: now the NFC has got really good quarterbacks on much

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Speaker 1: more team friendly deals like Baker, like Darnold, so like

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, who's a rookie. So what you're seeing now

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Speaker 1: is and Jalen Hurdsteel's pretty team friendly. So what you're

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Speaker 1: seeing now is the better quarterbacks maybe in the AFC.

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Speaker 1: The better roster teams, the better teams and rosters are

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00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: on the network called Foxy. The deeper rosters, Detroit roster rams, rosters,

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Speaker 1: Philly's roster. They when you get, you know, either a

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Speaker 1: young quarterback, a rookie quarterback deal, or more favorable deal.

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Speaker 3: You just get more good players.

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Speaker 4: That was my favorite take of years.

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Speaker 8: This week, I want to add there's a couple cross

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Speaker 8: conference matchups this week to watch Colt Rams.

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Speaker 4: Are the Colts for real? Are they frauds? We don't know.

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Speaker 8: We'll kind of find out Rams are good. Right, you

651
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Speaker 8: got Browns Lions. You seem to think the Browns defense

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Speaker 8: is good. We do, We'll see. And then there was

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Speaker 8: one other one. I'm spacing on it now, but it

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Speaker 8: seems like, you know, there are only six teams in

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Speaker 8: the AFC with winning records that could be down to

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Speaker 8: like four after this weekend.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, if that two and one teams go down, it's like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm betting on an AFC team this weekend to

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Speaker 1: win convincingly that I think they're one of the only

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Speaker 1: teams left that is really good and it hasn't shown it.

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Speaker 1: And if they don't show it this weekend, then they're not good.

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Speaker 3: You can't. You can't go a month and not be good.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I know, there is one team in the AFC

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Speaker 1: I actually think is really really good and they've sputtered

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Speaker 1: around and played with their food. I think it changes

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Speaker 1: this weekend, but if it doesn't, then I was wrong

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Speaker 1: and I'm done with them. Blazing five top of the hour,

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Speaker 1: it's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 8: Start your Saturday strong with Big Noon Saturday Number twenty one.

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Speaker 8: USC is looking for a big ten statement win as

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Speaker 8: they take on the twenty third rank fighting Alini.

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Speaker 4: It all goes down live.

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Speaker 8: From Champagne starting with Big Noon kickoff at ten a m.

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Speaker 4: Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Then it's USC Illinois only on Fox. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: so funny. Lincoln Riley has this you know this reputation.

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Speaker 1: Well you kind of fines and they pass a lot.

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Speaker 1: Usc is running the ball at a fifty five percent clip.

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Speaker 1: They're a run team. They've got good receivers. But USC

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Speaker 1: is a run team. Illinois is a man to man defense,

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Speaker 1: heavy blitz team. It'll be very interesting. The Aligni's back

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Speaker 1: end is all beat up. They lost a player for

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Speaker 1: the year, so I'm not I think USC may go

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Speaker 1: to the air in this one because generally, if you

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Speaker 1: look at what Illinois does defensively, they put people in

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Speaker 1: the box.

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Speaker 3: They bring heat.

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Speaker 1: But it's funny to watch that. Lincoln Riley's got this reputation.

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Speaker 1: And I used to watch Oklahoma. Everybody thought I he

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Speaker 1: was throwing the ball around. I thought it was the

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Speaker 1: power run game at Oklahoma and the complimentary pass game.

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Speaker 1: I think Caleb Williams made you think that USC and

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, it made you know. It made Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: individually made you think Lincoln Riley love to pass. He

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Speaker 1: actually likes to run the ball. If you watch USC

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Speaker 1: play this year, they are a run first team. They've

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Speaker 1: got excellent running back. Then probably the deepest part of

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Speaker 1: this team is they can go four deep at running back.

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Speaker 1: That's what they're great at. They've got two really good receivers,

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Speaker 1: and then they have to play a freshman. They're not

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Speaker 1: terribly deep at wide receiver. They want to run the football.

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Speaker 1: They and and because they blew leads last year. They

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Speaker 1: blew leads last year because their offensive line wasn't very good.

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Speaker 1: This year it's much better. It's still super young, so

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Speaker 1: Illinois is going to blitz the hell out of them

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Speaker 1: and say, let's see if your freshman in red shirt

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Speaker 1: sophomores can block. That's what That's what Illinois is gonna do.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna bring a ton of pressure and USC. They

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Speaker 1: want to crowd the box, make USC throw, make Jaden

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Speaker 1: Mayova make mistakes. But I do think it's funny this

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Speaker 1: whole idea of like Lincoln Riley's throw the ball guy.

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Speaker 1: This team is a run first team at Oklahoma, they

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Speaker 1: ran the ball.

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Speaker 3: That's not who he is.

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Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting last night on the

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Speaker 1: Amazon broadcast. Generally speaking, this is the way it works.

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Speaker 1: Most former pro athletes, Peyton Manning is a great example,

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Speaker 1: don't like to criticize current pro athletes. Tom Brady doesn't

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Speaker 1: like to criticize pro athletes. He'll criticize a coach an organization.

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Speaker 1: But you know, most of these guys, there's a brotherhood,

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Speaker 1: and you just you don't like to bring the hammer

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Speaker 1: on players. You kind of soft pedal it or maneuver

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Speaker 1: around the harshness. Except Russell Wilson. So Tony Gonzalez last night,

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Speaker 1: and Tony's a nice guy and not super opinionated. He's like,

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Speaker 1: if there's ever been a guy who's played himself out

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Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame, Tony Gonzalez said, it's Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: and I mean Richard Sherman.

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Speaker 3: Backed him up.

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Speaker 1: He said without that legendary defense and Seattle look at

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Speaker 1: the truth. I think what happened with Russell Wilson is weird.

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Speaker 1: He went from eight years Pro Bowls, maybe the most

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Speaker 1: talked about quarterback in the league not named Brady. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Seahawks were like the story four years in the league,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't get along with Sean Payton. His college

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Speaker 1: coach at North Carolina State benched him. Pete Carroll got

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Speaker 1: tired of him, Pittsburgh was one and done, and now

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Speaker 1: his coach is benching him at zhen to three. And

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Speaker 1: I by the way, I've never seen a quarterback get

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Speaker 1: criticized more often publicly than Russell Wilson. And my takeaway

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Speaker 1: is there's a cringy, corny, kind of inauthentic field that

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Speaker 1: players just don't like. Almost like, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how to put it, like he acts the way

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Speaker 1: a quarterback should act, but it doesn't feel terribly authentic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, didn't have a lot of players at his wedding.

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Speaker 1: He's not that close with a lot of players. Whatever,

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't work but I think, you know, if

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Speaker 1: he hands the ball off to Marshawn Lynch in Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl forty nine, he's probably a Hall of Famer. That

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Speaker 1: was a big discussion this week. Now I don't think

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Speaker 1: he is, but I think the big the big issue

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Speaker 1: came down to this is that in Seattle, the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: were great for about six seven years. But they were

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Speaker 1: great for a lot of reasons. It was a collective

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Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch, Pete Carroll's energy, the legion of Boom, the

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Speaker 1: twelfth Man in the fans, John Snyder's drafting, you know,

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Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch and Russell Wilson. There was a lot of

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Speaker 1: reasons they were great. Russell Wilson was getting star treatment.

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Speaker 1: I think it felt like to his teammates he wanted

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Speaker 1: super star treatment and he was a star of the team.

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Speaker 1: But Marshawn Lynch is every bit as good at his position,

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Speaker 1: and that defense is legendarily, historically great. And the only

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Speaker 1: thing I've ever been able to put my finger on

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Speaker 1: with the dynamic in Seattle is that that great Seattle

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Speaker 1: team was a collective of coaching and GMing and Marshawn

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Speaker 1: Lynch and the defense in the outstanding corners, and Russell

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Speaker 1: was a star, but his teammates felt like he wanted

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Speaker 1: superstar treatment, and it just it never felt right. That's

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Speaker 1: the only way I can describe it. Maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a lack of self awareness.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I just it's just a weird career from way up

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Speaker 1: here to suddenly nobody wants to coach him long term

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Speaker 1: without a big injury.

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Speaker 3: It's weird.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the strangest things I've ever Three years ago,

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't figure it out at all. Now I

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Speaker 1: think I've wrapped my brain around.

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Speaker 3: It at some point.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, like that self awareness in your own office,

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Speaker 1: which I defended initially, and Sean Payton's like, no, and

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Speaker 1: it's just a disconnect. I mean, he still has a

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Speaker 1: great deal of confidence about his ability.

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Speaker 12: I think for me personally, you know, as well as

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Speaker 12: I'm not done. I got so much belief in myself

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Speaker 12: and no capable of I believe I was able to show,

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Speaker 12: especially you know on the road in Dallas and everything else.

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Speaker 12: I know that can help this football team, you know,

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Speaker 12: if that comes up.

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Speaker 1: He went from kind of underrated, undervalued to instantly in

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Speaker 1: Denver overrated, overvalued, with no major injury. It generally, if

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Speaker 1: you plan this league for ten years, fans have a

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Speaker 1: beat on you, Media's got a beat on you. I'm

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Speaker 1: from the Pacific Northwest. I watched every one of his games.

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Speaker 1: I thought I had a beat on him, and then

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Speaker 1: I didn't fast like it just turned now it's gone downhill.

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Speaker 1: As last eight starts, he's own eight, so that's including

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, he's own eight. Giants and Steelers. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're great fits. I think their organization. One is

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Speaker 1: tone deaf to offense Pittsburgh, and the other one didn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot going for at the Giants, but it is.

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Speaker 1: It has been an incredible career. But there was a

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Speaker 1: big debate this week when he got benched, as he

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, and I tend to think when

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Speaker 1: you have a career that ends poorly, you had to

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Speaker 1: be unbelievable in the meat of it, and Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: it may not end well. But for like eleven years,

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Speaker 1: there was a sense he was the best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the league and he was putting up those kind of numbers.

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Speaker 1: There was about eight years with Russell he was really good.

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Speaker 1: But Aaron didn't have that kind of run game. Aaron

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Speaker 1: didn't have that kind of defense. You could argue Aaron

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Speaker 1: didn't have that kind of coaching. Aaron didn't have that

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Speaker 1: kind of twelfth man like Seattle. That roster. That roster

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Speaker 1: in Seattle for about five years was like a notch

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Speaker 1: above the second best roster in the league. Aaron's never

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Speaker 1: had that. So Aaron's you know, in Green Bay, where

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Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of free agents. The coach

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy wasn't beloved. He never had great run games,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of the one year he won a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Aaron didn't have a lot of great defenses. Russ had

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Speaker 3: all of it.

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Speaker 1: And so when it comes to Hall of Fame, I

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Speaker 1: have to think about that. In your what were you

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Speaker 1: surrounded by? Russ had an All Star team. It's a

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Speaker 1: little bit like Jalen Hurts. Like Jalen Hurts in his

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Speaker 1: prime is surrounded with a completely stacked roster. And if

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Speaker 1: we look in eight, ten, nine, eleven years with Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts and we consider the you know, the totality of

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Speaker 1: his career, is he a Hall of Famer? What was

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Speaker 1: he surrounded by in his prime? We all know Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers is a Hall of Famer. The best argument for

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Speaker 1: Aaron's greatness is did he ever have a great coach?

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Speaker 3: Did he ever have a great defense? Did he ever

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Speaker 3: have a great run game?

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Speaker 1: And until he got Matt Lafleur, I could argue no,

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Speaker 1: he kind of carried Green Bay for years. The Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame thing is Russell was never really asked to

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Speaker 1: carry a team. Brady had to carry some pretty lean

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Speaker 1: defenses at the year. Brady, outside of the Randy Moss years,

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Speaker 1: had to carry a lot of average receiving course. I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Have a lot to work with.

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Speaker 1: Outside of the you know, Gronk and his prime Randy

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Speaker 1: Moss Edelman late Tom carried a lot of average offensive personnel.

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Speaker 3: The Holmes has won Super Bowls in the.

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Speaker 1: Last three years, very offensively limited. You know, russ had

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Speaker 1: an all star team in his prime, and Denver's not

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Speaker 1: an all star team, Pittsburgh's not, the Giants aren't.

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Speaker 3: And here's what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to consider all that stuff, all right,

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Speaker 1: lazing five, I like favorites this weekend, some big, some small,

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Speaker 1: but favorites doing pretty well weird weekend. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's as weird. I think college and pro A lot

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