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Speaker 1: is Thursday on this program. So we got a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about here today, not the least
Speaker 1: of which is uh my new cameo. I told you
Speaker 1: about that yet I'm kidding. It's not the top story, obviously.
Speaker 1: The top story the departure of Cody Rhodes from a
Speaker 1: W seems to be heading to w W E here
Speaker 1: very soon. We're gonna talk to you about that. We
Speaker 1: actually talked a lot about this couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: and Dave and I talked about it last night. Still
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about why this happened, what's going on,
Speaker 1: what the plans are for Cody, So we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that a little bit today. He was mentioned on the
Speaker 1: A W Show last night and it was just like
Speaker 1: if you have ever watched UFC or Bellatour, they referenced
Speaker 1: somebody who's left, and it's not like that person never existed.
Speaker 1: They mentioned that there had been a dog collar match before.
Speaker 1: There's been one dog collar match in the history of
Speaker 1: a W and it did involve Cody, and so they
Speaker 1: mentioned we're gonna have a second one, and the first
Speaker 1: one involved Cody Rhodes and like nothing in it, he
Speaker 1: hadn't left. Nothing so interesting the way that they handled
Speaker 1: it not an angle. In case any of you are
Speaker 1: still on net on that deal. We got ratings for
Speaker 1: the Valentine'sday edition of n x T, last show on
Speaker 1: sci Fi before they return to the USA network. Jake
Speaker 1: Atlas will be got undergoing surgery for a torn a
Speaker 1: c L. We've got an update on the elimination chamber,
Speaker 1: including yes, a really stupid stipulation for a match, and
Speaker 1: so much more. We're gonna kick it off out of
Speaker 1: the break with Mike semper vv. So stick around, everybody.
Speaker 1: Back in a moment Wrestling Observer Live. Back in the show.
Speaker 1: Bright Albert is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike sumber Viv
Speaker 1: also Wrestling Observer dot Com. We got a lot of
Speaker 1: news to get into here today, don't we, Mike, We do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear your show yesterday, but I did hear
Speaker 1: about the highlight, which was I'm in an airplane. I
Speaker 1: didn't hear about the highlight, however, which was that Filthy
Speaker 1: Tom suggested that now that Brandy has gone from a
Speaker 1: w that the Brandy page of Van Zant feud continues
Speaker 1: on in bare knuckle fighting. Hat to say. I never
Speaker 1: thought of that one, but I laughed. He got me,
Speaker 1: and he rarely does. Usually Filthy time is all about jokes.
Speaker 1: Aren't funny? But you know how it is? Did you
Speaker 1: buy a shirt from him last night? During the meat
Speaker 1: and Great? That wasn't that wasn't around m but I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope he did very well. Hey, listen, I want
Speaker 1: to read something here because I got a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about it. And uh, I want to make something
Speaker 1: clear to everybody. You know, I've said before that you know,
Speaker 1: how come you spoil this for how come you're spoiling
Speaker 1: at Ronda Rowse. He's gonna wrestle with one hand tie
Speaker 1: behind her back, But you didn't spoil that that see
Speaker 1: him Punk was gonna debut in Chicago. Well, first off,
Speaker 1: we talked about Hunky being in Chicago for like weeks.
Speaker 1: I didn't know for sure, but I presumed the reason
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you for sure, so I didn't know
Speaker 1: for sure. So anyway, I want to make it clear
Speaker 1: that I don't know for sure all of the situation
Speaker 1: involving involving Cody. Dave decided to tell the world that
Speaker 1: yesterday that had been in contact with Cody, and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I send him a picture of my kids,
Speaker 1: But like, I didn't ask him about all this stuff
Speaker 1: with why he left a w and where he's going,
Speaker 1: because you want to know why, because he ain't gonna
Speaker 1: say anything about it, all right, He's not gonna say anything,
Speaker 1: but there was an article that came out the other
Speaker 1: day that got a lot of press, and I want
Speaker 1: to read part of this all right. It says when
Speaker 1: it one, when at one point felt highly unlikely, will
Speaker 1: apparently become a reality. Cody Rhodes returning to w w
Speaker 1: E after being an integral part of a w since
Speaker 1: its twenty nineteen launch. Justin barrass report of the news Wednesday,
Speaker 1: saying that quote sources close to the situation have confirmed
Speaker 1: that his next destination will be back where his career
Speaker 1: started in w w E. No time for him, given
Speaker 1: reports speculator Rohads could begin filming vignettes to the performance
Speaker 1: center as soon as this weekend. The sources also say
Speaker 1: that Cody's wife Brandy is not expected to join him
Speaker 1: in w w E if it is that. If that
Speaker 1: is the case, it's unknown where her entring career would
Speaker 1: continue if she wants to pursue it. I thought we
Speaker 1: got that. I thought we made that clear as a
Speaker 1: bare knuckle fighting right. Barrasso's sources also said that Cody's
Speaker 1: wife Brandy and not returning. Noted that rhodes may departure
Speaker 1: was due to creative differences with his portrayal specifically the
Speaker 1: stardust character. Those issues quote will be a non factor
Speaker 1: in his return, where he's expected to have a far
Speaker 1: different relationship with the writing team and Vince McMahon. It
Speaker 1: says the report pointed to a specific area of friction
Speaker 1: regarding Rhodes losing booking power over time. Quote. While Rhodes
Speaker 1: was never intended to overstay his welcome in the World
Speaker 1: Title Picture, one key factor that led to his exit
Speaker 1: was losing all responsibilities involving booking. That is a role
Speaker 1: where Tony Khan, who is head of Creative, has taken
Speaker 1: full rain. Originally rose as a part of that process.
Speaker 1: As great as Dusty was as a performer, his contributions
Speaker 1: as a booker are an integral part of his legacy.
Speaker 1: For Rhodes, a w represented another chance to pay homage
Speaker 1: to his father as a booker while also further cementing
Speaker 1: his own legacy. Losing that opportunity in a w hurt
Speaker 1: Rhodes more than any loss he suffered in the ring,
Speaker 1: wrote justin here. Now, I've had a lot of people
Speaker 1: saying clearly that came from Cody. That's what they've said.
Speaker 1: Now listen, all I know is this, I don't think
Speaker 1: Cody's talking about any of this to anybody. Maybe he is,
Speaker 1: but I don't think so. All Right, I am totally
Speaker 1: hung up on this because people keep bringing it up.
Speaker 1: You're telling me, okay, that Cody was not allowed to
Speaker 1: book an A e W, so he chose to leave
Speaker 1: to go somewhere where he's not going to be allowed
Speaker 1: to book. This doesn't make any sense, Okay. Now, do
Speaker 1: I believe that he was upset that he no longer
Speaker 1: had the ability to book programs? Sure, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: he probably was upset about that. Do I think that
Speaker 1: that is the crux of the reason that he left
Speaker 1: a W? No? What do I think is the crux
Speaker 1: of the idea? And I have not heard anything from
Speaker 1: Cody about why he left. But let's look at this logically.
Speaker 1: What is the crux of the reason that he would
Speaker 1: leave this company? Well, I believe that, ironically, because this
Speaker 1: was his idea, he did the stipulation where he was
Speaker 1: no longer going to ever fight for the world title
Speaker 1: and he was a multi time uh T and T champion.
Speaker 1: But unless they we're gonna do some sort of storyline
Speaker 1: to break this stipulation, which, by the way, in storyline
Speaker 1: he came, but so they could have found a way
Speaker 1: around it. But he wasn't gonna be in the world
Speaker 1: title picture. And Cody was doing things for a W
Speaker 1: But was Cody a tippy top guy? Was he the
Speaker 1: top guy in the promotion? No? When you watch the
Speaker 1: show and you see the rise of of m JF
Speaker 1: and you've got Brian Danielson, and you've got CM punk
Speaker 1: and you've got John Moxley and all of these other guys,
Speaker 1: does anybody think that at any at any point in
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future, Cody was going to be the number
Speaker 1: one top guy in a W. No. Do I believe
Speaker 1: that he believes that he can walk into w w
Speaker 1: E and either on the Raw SmackDown brand be the
Speaker 1: top guy on that brand. As I'm about to sneeze
Speaker 1: right here. Yes, I believe that he believes that. So
Speaker 1: number one, I think he thinks that by going to
Speaker 1: w W, E is gonna have a better spot. Okay,
Speaker 1: I also believe that not only is he gonna have
Speaker 1: a better spot, he's probably going to make more money
Speaker 1: because they're gonna throw money at this guy so they
Speaker 1: can say we got a founder of a W WE
Speaker 1: got a VP that is worth millions of dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Those two things, Those two things are the reasons that
Speaker 1: I believe that Cody left a w and he's going
Speaker 1: to w W E. However the cards may fall, I
Speaker 1: don't know. As I said to Dave last night, everyone
Speaker 1: could like sure that this whole thing is gonna fail. Listen,
Speaker 1: Vince is out of his mind. You guys may all
Speaker 1: be right, Okay, but if Vince has this much of
Speaker 1: a clue, okay, this much, which is not a lot,
Speaker 1: he's got to push this guy to the moon. Because
Speaker 1: if Cody jump shipped w w E and he's in
Speaker 1: that stardust costume, or he's doing jobs left, left and right,
Speaker 1: if he's a failure, nobody it's gonna want to leave
Speaker 1: a w W w E. You want him JF, you
Speaker 1: want Sammy Gavara, you want Wardlow, you want whoever. Dude.
Speaker 1: They ain't gonna think about this if you get Cody
Speaker 1: and you screw this whole thing up and you bury
Speaker 1: this guy. So it is in their best interests to
Speaker 1: push this guy to the stratosphere. So in a few
Speaker 1: years when these contracts come due, these guys are going, Man,
Speaker 1: I can make more money and they're gonna push me
Speaker 1: to the moon. So anyway, that's my quick Cody speech.
Speaker 1: Anything to add Mike, I, Um, I just don't see
Speaker 1: how that benefits anybody that comes after him anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: even if they are successful with Cody, even if he's
Speaker 1: got any successful voyage there, I don't see how that
Speaker 1: changes anybody else's trajectory or really changes anybody else's mind.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can make a claim as to why
Speaker 1: it would, but where's the I mean, we'll see how
Speaker 1: the whole thing plays out. But we Tom and I
Speaker 1: talked a lot about this yesterday as far as maybe
Speaker 1: some of the pieces that are are moving in different
Speaker 1: directions here, and we'll see if this is really about
Speaker 1: money or what this is exactly about, because it's interesting
Speaker 1: to see what he's giving up as far as things
Speaker 1: with Turner and things like that, and who knows how
Speaker 1: they'll go. But I you're asking a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: you really are. Again, I don't know how that changes
Speaker 1: anything for anybody that comes after him. I don't know
Speaker 1: how that Like if if Cody Rhodes goes back to
Speaker 1: a place that he's been and everything, let's say everything
Speaker 1: is great for Cody but his status quo with the
Speaker 1: rest of the company, how things have been going. Sammy
Speaker 1: Gavar is gonna want to jump over, m jf is
Speaker 1: gonna want to jump over. It's just I don't know.
Speaker 1: The one thing that they can offer for sure is money.
Speaker 1: That's for absolute day. I'm sure what what peacock and
Speaker 1: what other things that that Cody Rhodes and his family
Speaker 1: could benefit from being under that umbrella or being away
Speaker 1: from where they are right now. I don't know. But
Speaker 1: if you know when he comes to the wrestling aspect,
Speaker 1: you gotta prove it to me. We'll be back in
Speaker 1: a moment. Observer Live Back in the show. Bran Elber
Speaker 1: is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike Simber viv also Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer dot Com. Mike, Well, I can ask you a
Speaker 1: question here, okay, and ask you this question. You're telling
Speaker 1: me that you don't think it would make any difference
Speaker 1: whether Cody is pushed or not pushed when it comes
Speaker 1: to whether anybody else would want to jump ship to
Speaker 1: w W E. Is that what you said. I can't
Speaker 1: believe that. No, I didn't say that. I just don't
Speaker 1: see how it's going to benefit anybody that greatly. And
Speaker 1: when people don't just look at individually what happens with Cody,
Speaker 1: who's got a history there, who has some value to
Speaker 1: him there, How does this benefit everybody else per se?
Speaker 1: You know, because of Cody Rhodes gets treated one way.
Speaker 1: Eddie Kingston is gonna want to jump over, They're gonna
Speaker 1: have interest with him, They're gonna know what to do
Speaker 1: with him, with Darby Allen, with m JF, with Sammy Goobara,
Speaker 1: with a lot of people. Sure it might look better
Speaker 1: on the surface if Cody goes over there and is successful. Yes,
Speaker 1: but you have to look at everything individually. You have
Speaker 1: to look at history. You have to look at a
Speaker 1: lot of things here. So just because Cody Rhodes, even
Speaker 1: if that goes all that well, Ali resigned and we
Speaker 1: saw how happy he was FDR at one point or
Speaker 1: not FDR, but Gallows and Anderson were signed and then
Speaker 1: we're cut right away. I mean, yeah, they're sure if
Speaker 1: one person he goes well for them, Okay, that's great,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't necessarily mean anything goes better for anybody
Speaker 1: else at all. I mean you can theorize and go, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: if this happens, then this is gonna be good. But
Speaker 1: then you look at the history of who you're talking about,
Speaker 1: and so you have to look at the history. But
Speaker 1: I mean, let's go back. Let's go back to nine
Speaker 1: when Kevin Nash with the failed w w E champion.
Speaker 1: Scott Hall was just a mid card guy who had
Speaker 1: been the interconinal champion. Lex Luger was doing nothing, to
Speaker 1: the point where they even bother to resign him to
Speaker 1: a contract. He's just working without a contract. Scott Hall
Speaker 1: jumps at w CW Big Money, Big Push. Scott Hall
Speaker 1: jumps at w CW, Big Money, big Push, Lex Luger
Speaker 1: jumps at w W Big Money, big Push. Everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to go to w c W after that happen. It's
Speaker 1: not Chris jer Chris Jericho was what they were doing
Speaker 1: nothing with this guy. He wanted out. He jumped shipped
Speaker 1: to w w E. He gets the huge countdown clock,
Speaker 1: he gets the giant debut, He's going toe to toe
Speaker 1: with the rock. Everybody wanted to jump to w WF.
Speaker 1: If Chris Jericho would have jumped over to tow w
Speaker 1: WF and done a job for TACA. Mitchinoku was first
Speaker 1: night in and they buried him and he was a geek.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, nobody would have wanted to go to
Speaker 1: w w F Obviously, Obviously, if I'm Darby Allen, if
Speaker 1: they signed Cody and they give him ten million dollars
Speaker 1: and he beats Roman Reigns at WrestleMania, if I'm Darby Allen,
Speaker 1: I'm still not going to w W because I know
Speaker 1: there's not any chance because I'm small. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: do anything with a guy who's the size of Darby Ellen.
Speaker 1: But if I m m JF and I am a
Speaker 1: top guy in a w and let's say I'm making
Speaker 1: a million dollars a year and my deal comes up
Speaker 1: in four or whatever, and w W he comes, they go,
Speaker 1: you know what, We're gonna give you two million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. If I am JF and I look and
Speaker 1: I see that they screwed up Cody and did nothing
Speaker 1: with him and had him doing jobs and he's a geek,
Speaker 1: I don't even think about it. But if I see
Speaker 1: that they pushed Cody and he was a top guy
Speaker 1: and he's been a top guy ever since he jumped ship,
Speaker 1: and they're offering me three million dollars, and I know
Speaker 1: that they did something with the last big name that jumped.
Speaker 1: I think about it. Do I do it? I don't
Speaker 1: know if I do it, but I think about it.
Speaker 1: If Cody is buried, I don't even think about it.
Speaker 1: So it is imperative that they do something with Cody.
Speaker 1: Otherwise nobody's going to even think about going over there.
Speaker 1: If they can't do something with Cody, who do they
Speaker 1: have over there that you go, you know what, maybe
Speaker 1: they do something with me Nobody, Maybe Wardlow because he's big,
Speaker 1: jacked up dude. I know they want Wordlow, but it
Speaker 1: is imperative if that they book Cody. Well, same reason
Speaker 1: everybody wants to go to a W right now, the
Speaker 1: same reason like Ruby Right wanted to jump ship. They
Speaker 1: weren't doing anything with the Ruby Right and she saw
Speaker 1: the opportunity for money and actually being used on the
Speaker 1: other side. And you can go down the list of
Speaker 1: guys that went that way because there was a benefit
Speaker 1: to them going that way. But what's the benefit of
Speaker 1: going to w W E If they can't figure out
Speaker 1: anything to do with Cody Rhods E v P. There's
Speaker 1: no benefit. No one's going to think about it. They
Speaker 1: have to use this guy Oh yeah, Well, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna sign somebody, then yeah, you should probably go ahead
Speaker 1: and use them. I still don't see how this ultimately,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day will benefit anybody else. Again,
Speaker 1: it clears the track a little bit, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more to me that goes into this
Speaker 1: with a lot of other people individually than than with Cody.
Speaker 1: But ultimately we are going to see how this is
Speaker 1: going to benefit him and what he is able to do.
Speaker 1: Because we've talked about his interests that are adjacent to
Speaker 1: and that our individual from pro wrestling, and he has
Speaker 1: those things. One thing for sure is he is walking
Speaker 1: into a situation when coming over the NBC Universal streaming
Speaker 1: service in Peacock where the Bella's miss and Maurice. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got benefits now already that have shown themselves to
Speaker 1: be on go big show and on roads to the top.
Speaker 1: Even though that that was a w ASSOCIATED I mean
Speaker 1: to me, that is where the draw is for w
Speaker 1: w E because I think ultimately, even if Cody gets
Speaker 1: treated great, you kind of know what box you're going
Speaker 1: to be in from a sports entertainment point of view
Speaker 1: and what your art is inside the ring. That is
Speaker 1: going to change regardless of of Cody and what they
Speaker 1: let him do or what they don't let him do.
Speaker 1: The styles are completely different. But where w w E
Speaker 1: may be able to be a benefit for some people
Speaker 1: is because of associations with Fox, associations with UH with
Speaker 1: Peacock and NBC Universal, where some of those things that
Speaker 1: he obviously likes to do, some of the things that
Speaker 1: come from that charitable works and a lot of things
Speaker 1: that open up different doors for you. That's very important
Speaker 1: to him and for people who that life is important,
Speaker 1: people who want to get in the movies, people want
Speaker 1: to do more with TV. That's where w w E
Speaker 1: may be the ultimate benefit for anybody who is on
Speaker 1: the fence or is somebody that feels as though that
Speaker 1: they are going to be able to function maybe at
Speaker 1: different levels, but we'll be able to function fine individually
Speaker 1: in both systems. So to me. Now, you know, as
Speaker 1: we get into the future and as we go along
Speaker 1: with these companies and we see what they're about and
Speaker 1: how they're built, it may come down to also how
Speaker 1: much can I do? Where can I ascend to there
Speaker 1: that's got nothing to do with wrestling, but has got
Speaker 1: some things to do with securing my future in other ways. Saturday,
Speaker 1: we have got the Elimination Chamber Show and it appears
Speaker 1: to be and until this is announced on SmackDown, it's
Speaker 1: not official, but apparently their idea is that. And I
Speaker 1: don't have any idea why Rhonda Rousey and Naomi versus
Speaker 1: Charlotte and Sonya Deville will have the stipulation that Rohonda
Speaker 1: Rousey must wrestle with one hand tied behind her back.
Speaker 1: What so listen? Obviously, because Sonya Deville is involved, a
Speaker 1: person who doesn't watch the show could say, well, she's
Speaker 1: the heel GM she's gonna rule that Ronda Rousey has
Speaker 1: to wrestle with one dude. On the show Friday, they
Speaker 1: did an angle where Vince McMahon sent word that Sonya
Speaker 1: Deville was abusing her power and then if she didn't
Speaker 1: watch herself, she was gonna find herself in serious trouble.
Speaker 1: So now you're gonna go to the angle that she
Speaker 1: is demanding Rohonda Rousey wrestle with one hand tied behind
Speaker 1: her back. Doesn't make any sense. It's stupid, it's an
Speaker 1: it's a useless stipulation, and I'm disgusted. I even had
Speaker 1: to announce that the stipulation just to do one. That's
Speaker 1: how she gets her revenge on Ronda. That's the best
Speaker 1: she can come up with. As in a w W
Speaker 1: official is Hey, you're gonna wrestle a match with one
Speaker 1: hand behind your back because the owner of the company
Speaker 1: won't let me suspend you. Okay, It's interesting. I mean
Speaker 1: he's he's been on raw with because this has been
Speaker 1: going on for how long? And I thought he was
Speaker 1: having a phone contact with these people anyway. I mean
Speaker 1: he was having it with Adam Pierce. So why all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, why now is Sonya Devill apparently doing
Speaker 1: something very evil to Naomi somebody who she's been what
Speaker 1: on about this now for what six eight months? Whatever
Speaker 1: it's been. This person she just figured out that Sonya
Speaker 1: is wrestling in Saudi Arabia. Yeah, Sonya Deville is wrestling
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. And this person here knows that the
Speaker 1: storyline is it because Sonia has her arm and is
Speaker 1: sling and has to put her arm in a sling. Well,
Speaker 1: first off, wis so when you're wrestling of her arms
Speaker 1: and a sling number one? Number two, how about the
Speaker 1: other person not having to wrestle with their arm in
Speaker 1: a sling. It's stupid, one thing is for sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people may come down because
Speaker 1: they have their own thoughts on Sonya wrestling in Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 1: But I gotta say, for her personally, kudos. I think
Speaker 1: it's falsy. I can give you, and I'm sure she
Speaker 1: can give you. Every reason in the world not to
Speaker 1: go as a lesbian woman, uh, going over to that
Speaker 1: country and performing, But she's doing it, and you know,
Speaker 1: away from the company, away from anything that it may mean.
Speaker 1: I can see, you know, her point of view and
Speaker 1: going over there. It's a again, it is a really
Speaker 1: something I think. For again, it's I know they're gonna
Speaker 1: say they're claiming they're changing the world with all this
Speaker 1: stuff and all that garbage. But I think from an
Speaker 1: individual point of view, you know, kudos to her because
Speaker 1: she doesn't have to do this. I can see the
Speaker 1: reasons not to do this, but I can also absolutely
Speaker 1: see the reasons to do this, and to try to
Speaker 1: in your own way, sticking up the rear end of
Speaker 1: a government that probably doesn't like your whole how come
Speaker 1: A lot I think is uh. I think that's so
Speaker 1: that is a way to do something. It really is.
Speaker 1: I think in her it takes a lot of rule
Speaker 1: set to do it. President show has lashly lesnar rawlins
Speaker 1: aj Riddle in Austin Theory for the w w E title.
Speaker 1: We got Bianca Ria Live do Drop, Nicky Ash and
Speaker 1: Alexa Bliss for the women's title shot so the winner
Speaker 1: gets Becky Lynch. We got Roman Rains Goldberg Universal title,
Speaker 1: Becky Lynch Lada for the raw women's title. Leader has
Speaker 1: already announced. I got nothing booked after this show. I
Speaker 1: don't want to give spoilers or anything. Husos Versus Viking
Speaker 1: Raiders SmackDown take team titles. Drew Mack there met Keep
Speaker 1: Moss Falls Count Anywhere, and Ray Mysterio and the miss
Speaker 1: I at a moment with the Dynamite reporters. You're live
Speaker 1: back in the show. Ryan Ever is here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike sumber Viv, also of Wrestling Observer dot Com. I
Speaker 1: don't know where Vinny's at, trying to find out where
Speaker 1: this bloke is. Is he supposed to be one on
Speaker 1: the right island. We'll know, but they showed. They showed
Speaker 1: up last night, and I know they went over that place.
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen him all day and no one's
Speaker 1: answering my text, So may have to do a welfare
Speaker 1: check here. Be real careful before you go over and
Speaker 1: do a welfare check, try to exhaust all the other
Speaker 1: options first, because you don't want to, you know, busting
Speaker 1: on anybody find out to be the live. It's a vacation,
Speaker 1: you know. Maybe he just doesn't want to be bothered. Bro,
Speaker 1: it's twelve thirty nine Pacific right now, it's the afternoon.
Speaker 1: He cannot possibly still be sleeping. Maybe he's not got
Speaker 1: his woman somewhere enjoying himself, not trying to think about
Speaker 1: watching wrestling and reviewing it with you. The cars here,
Speaker 1: so they're not out for a walk show, okay without
Speaker 1: his phone. Sam Punk came out to open of the
Speaker 1: show and he did a great from We'll talking about
Speaker 1: MGF at a picture of MGF, young, MJF and CM
Speaker 1: Punk when he was a kid, and he pointed out
Speaker 1: that you know, that was the greatest day year life
Speaker 1: for me. It was Tuesday, and it's gonna be the
Speaker 1: greatest day of your life or the bloodiest day of
Speaker 1: your life coming up in the pay per view. But
Speaker 1: for me, it's also just gonna be Saturday or Sunday
Speaker 1: word of the day is anyway, The point is he
Speaker 1: kept bringing up Ruddy Piper and how MGFF wants to
Speaker 1: be Ruddy Piper in Portlands. So the stipulation for this
Speaker 1: match is going to be dog color match coming up
Speaker 1: at the pay per view. You know what I'm saying, Mike,
Speaker 1: dog color match. Sorry, didn't want to jump. How can
Speaker 1: you get them in your mic out of the way
Speaker 1: because it's a a w review and you usually want
Speaker 1: to have these, So go ahead, have at it. People
Speaker 1: have not heard from you in like forty eight hours here.
Speaker 1: They want to hear from you. What else I've heard
Speaker 1: from Vinnie? And I'm getting a text right here to
Speaker 1: make sure he's all right cool? Well is he okay?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't heard from him. I heard
Speaker 1: from well as you do that. I did like the
Speaker 1: way that c M. Punk emphasized will you be my Valentine?
Speaker 1: And then Tony Schavani said it because yes, Roddy Piper
Speaker 1: did have doll collar matches in Portland, had some great
Speaker 1: bloody brawls with Buddy Rose the sheep herders. People like that.
Speaker 1: But he is most famously known for, in his baby
Speaker 1: face form, the dog collar match with Greg the Hammer
Speaker 1: Valentine that began way back in two when Rick Flair
Speaker 1: and Greg Valentine rammed his face into the concrete and
Speaker 1: scraped it all up. He was looking for revenge and
Speaker 1: obviously that Piper Valentine for you is pretty legendary. Those
Speaker 1: dollar collar matches or legendary, and I think a fine
Speaker 1: choice for a guy with m JF who keeps running away.
Speaker 1: I think it was a cool thing to do. All
Speaker 1: right back to this show right here, we had Jungle Boy,
Speaker 1: Luca stores in Christian back stage and they're talking about
Speaker 1: the uh, the three way at the pay per view,
Speaker 1: a three way wrestling match. I might add, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be there's gonna be two Battle Royals. The two winning
Speaker 1: teams will be facing Luca Sours and Jungle Boy in
Speaker 1: a three way. And Jungle Boy made a comment about
Speaker 1: winning Battle Royals and he padded Christian on the back.
Speaker 1: Because this is a two years storyline at this point,
Speaker 1: or Christian Cage will finally screwed Jungle Boy for throwing
Speaker 1: him out of that Battle Royal year and a half
Speaker 1: ago or whatever it was. Year ago, Ryan Jannison beat
Speaker 1: Lee Moriard Team. I thought this match was rate killed
Speaker 1: this poor bloke that gave Lee Moriarty a lot, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't winning and he took up beating and it was.
Speaker 1: It was glorious. And then afterwards he called out John Moxley.
Speaker 1: He wants an answer to whether or not team and
Speaker 1: John Moxley came out and he did this fabulous promo
Speaker 1: and the gist of it is, if you want all
Speaker 1: the details, if I can find Vinnie, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: uh Brian Vinney show tonight talking about all the details.
Speaker 1: But just the story here is that he has never
Speaker 1: beaten Brian Danielson. John Moxley has never beaten Brian Danielson
Speaker 1: in his career. And he said, you know what I
Speaker 1: thought about everything you said. I thought it would be
Speaker 1: awesome to team up and do all those things you
Speaker 1: talked about, But I'm not sure if you want to
Speaker 1: team up with me or if you just don't want
Speaker 1: to wrestle me anymore. So essentially it looks like John
Speaker 1: Moxley and Brian Danielson are going to be having a fight,
Speaker 1: a bloody fight, and after the fights over will find
Speaker 1: out if they end up teaming together. I am totally
Speaker 1: fine with us. If you want to team these guys together,
Speaker 1: the knock yourselves out. But I want to match first.
Speaker 1: So it looks like we're gonna get him Wardlow beat
Speaker 1: Max castor Face of the Revolution ladder match qualifier. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen, but my presumption is at
Speaker 1: Wardlow winds and uh he gets the T and T
Speaker 1: title and MGF wants him to hand that title over
Speaker 1: and he doesn't, and that's gonna be the end of that.
Speaker 1: But we'll see where it goes. Hangman Page promo, Adam
Speaker 1: Cole showed up. Adam called berries. The guy points out,
Speaker 1: I've been all over the world. I've shared a lot
Speaker 1: of locker rooms with you. We were roommates, but everywhere
Speaker 1: I've gone, You've always just been known as the other atom.
Speaker 1: So of course Adam Page is furious and he wants
Speaker 1: to fight and Cole, wait a second, I respect you.
Speaker 1: I think that one of these days we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a great match for that championship, and when we do,
Speaker 1: may the best man win. And he walks out and
Speaker 1: he's got a smile on his face, and of course
Speaker 1: it's a ruse red Dragon attacks Page. They beat him down.
Speaker 1: Cole runs back. It's a three way beating. Dark Order
Speaker 1: makes a save. They needed some reason for Adam Cole
Speaker 1: to face Ten on rampage, so what they came up
Speaker 1: with was Ten beat up a bunch of security guards
Speaker 1: like a madman. I guess this was explained on BTE,
Speaker 1: but sure wasn't explained on Dynamite. Santana Ortiz beat Jericho
Speaker 1: and Jake Hagar. They had a good match, and at
Speaker 1: the end out came Eddie Kingston and Eddie Kingston distracted
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho and Jericho ended up going for the Judas
Speaker 1: effect he missed, Santanna hit him with a Hilariat pinned
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho. So it appears this split is pretty much uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say it's inner circles for sure done,
Speaker 1: but it looks like they're done and we'll have to
Speaker 1: find out what happens with with um you know what's
Speaker 1: his name? Who gets custody of Jake Hagar and his
Speaker 1: relocal Jake Hagar but me Gavara because he wanted them
Speaker 1: to figure their s out or he was gonna quit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Jericho did the job here and then had
Speaker 1: a big brawl with Eddie Kingston. So it appears that
Speaker 1: they are going to be having a match probably the
Speaker 1: pay per view. We have a lot of matches that
Speaker 1: appears coming up for this paper view. It's looking like
Speaker 1: a pretty good card. Thunder Rosa beat Mercedes Martinez and
Speaker 1: a notice qualification match, way better than their first match.
Speaker 1: They had that lame d Q finish, but the lame
Speaker 1: d Q was done to set up a no holds barred,
Speaker 1: anything goes hardcore match, and thunder Rosa beat her with
Speaker 1: a thunder fire Driver fire thunder Driver thunder fire bomb.
Speaker 1: She dropped her on some chairs pender and then afterwards
Speaker 1: Britt Baker and the crew came out and they got
Speaker 1: in the ring and they wanted Mercedes Martinez to beat
Speaker 1: up thunder Rose after the match, but she wanted nothing
Speaker 1: to do with this, and so they attacked her. They
Speaker 1: beat her up, and so we got a lot of
Speaker 1: things coming. We got obviously the tag match here that
Speaker 1: I'm sure it could be done on Dynamite or ram page.
Speaker 1: We got the championship match with thunder Rose and Britt
Speaker 1: Baker I'm sure coming up at the pay per view
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff there. Malachi Black video with
Speaker 1: Brody King. There's a third guy coming rumored to be
Speaker 1: the former Buddy Murphy now Buddy Matthews. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I want to see I want to see that match
Speaker 1: Malachi Black and and Buddy Matthews because you know what,
Speaker 1: they had a match on Raw, two of them, actually,
Speaker 1: there were two of the best matches on Raw in
Speaker 1: like all of last year and UH to think that
Speaker 1: they would be able to do that match with the
Speaker 1: zero restrictions in a W I think this needs to
Speaker 1: be like see him punk and UH or not see
Speaker 1: him punk um, John Moxley and Brian Danielson. They need
Speaker 1: to fight. Then they need a team. I can I
Speaker 1: tell you what. Just throw this in there too for
Speaker 1: anybody it's looking for some old audio to listen to
Speaker 1: Buddy Matthews appearance on this program talking about out some
Speaker 1: of those matches, the one at the Garden, the ones
Speaker 1: on TV, all that stuff with UH and some of
Speaker 1: the responses they got in some of the thought behind
Speaker 1: those matches with Malachi. I would strongly suggest anybody that
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to hear him on here with
Speaker 1: us go back and listen to that show. I thought
Speaker 1: it was great. And then the main event actually rampage.
Speaker 1: First we've got Adam colever no spoilers, Adam Cole versus
Speaker 1: ten J White versus Trent Barretta Srina Deep with a
Speaker 1: five minute challenge against some local geek, and we do
Speaker 1: have Powerhouse Hobbs versus Dante Martin faced the Revolution Qualifier,
Speaker 1: which that one's not immediately obvious who's gonna win, so
Speaker 1: at least we got one at just reading the lineup,
Speaker 1: it is not spoiled. And then next week we got
Speaker 1: the House of Black versus Death Triangle, Eddie Kingston and
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho face to face and the tag team Battle
Speaker 1: Royale for the Top Contender Ship. Main events Sammy Gavarra
Speaker 1: and Darby Ellen Man. These guys had a great match
Speaker 1: because it is two guys, impossible for them not to
Speaker 1: have a great match, and uh it was awesome. Then uh,
Speaker 1: Jose got involved. Jose and got on the apron sting,
Speaker 1: yanked him off, goes to beat him up, Referees distracted
Speaker 1: and draw shows up. Hits Darby Ellen with his iPad.
Speaker 1: Sammy gavart turns around, he sees the guy on the thing,
Speaker 1: I'll knocked down and he's like, nah, I'll do what
Speaker 1: I gotta do. Hits him with the g t H
Speaker 1: pins him, and then Matt Hardy runs down to beat
Speaker 1: up Darby Allen, Sammy Gavara chases him off and draw
Speaker 1: a waxing with the iPad posed with both of the
Speaker 1: TNT titles. So obviously we got the Face of the
Speaker 1: Revolution Ladder match, and like I said, I think Wardlow
Speaker 1: is probably gonna win and end up winning the TNT title.
Speaker 1: But I mean there's so many things that they do
Speaker 1: where I look at this and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: Darby lost because of andrawd A, like Androide wants the
Speaker 1: titles you could have, andraw A beat Sammy and then
Speaker 1: Darby gets his revenge and on Troday to win the
Speaker 1: titles back. I mean, there's so many things that you
Speaker 1: could do with with everything that they do here. But
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Face of the Revolution Ladder match
Speaker 1: coming up, and the winner is gonna get a shot
Speaker 1: at that title. At some point, I thought this was
Speaker 1: an excellent show. Yeah, I thought it was a really
Speaker 1: good one as well too, And it makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense with wordload to go ahead and win. He
Speaker 1: gets that designation on the pay per view. Not only that,
Speaker 1: it gives the re another reason for m JF to
Speaker 1: cause some havoc and demand the title and then that
Speaker 1: split happens there. It makes complete sense. Um interesting to
Speaker 1: see what they'll do with them JF and see him
Speaker 1: punk as well too. I assume this is an official match.
Speaker 1: The dog collar match has long been one of the
Speaker 1: times where they will turn out the lights and they'll
Speaker 1: make it lights out, they'll make it unsanctioned. It will
Speaker 1: be interesting to see if they do something to move
Speaker 1: things into that direction by the time the pay per
Speaker 1: view rolls around, just to add a little bit of
Speaker 1: drama in danger to the match as well as again,
Speaker 1: just just something that you can set up that you
Speaker 1: can do there where it won't affect anybody's record. Uh.
Speaker 1: In case you wanted to have Warlow be the one
Speaker 1: that puts the big mark on m JP here coming
Speaker 1: up as the official Low. Since they do like to
Speaker 1: do that, you can debate it. We talked about it
Speaker 1: with Orange Cassidy and with Adam Cole. We talked about
Speaker 1: it in the past with thunder Rosa and with m
Speaker 1: who was a brick Baker. I think it was in
Speaker 1: that in the un sanctioned match, so they are willing
Speaker 1: to do that, so it will be interesting to see
Speaker 1: if they play that aspect of things going into that match.
Speaker 1: I presume you guys talked about this n x T
Speaker 1: two point oh we did. Yeah, then do a great number.
Speaker 1: I guess surprise about that. You shouldn't be if you are,
Speaker 1: you're not much of a listener, showed viewers, which was
Speaker 1: up thirty one. I suppose you can celebrate that if
Speaker 1: you want to, but best because the last show did
Speaker 1: four thousand, eighteen and forty nine a point one one, which,
Speaker 1: if you throw out the point oh seven that they
Speaker 1: did last week, ties the lowest eighteen forty nine demo
Speaker 1: rating for any w w E show ever, So not
Speaker 1: really anything to celebrate their forty eight on cable and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Raw actually did shockingly well, but this n
Speaker 1: XT Vengeance Day still not a good number on on
Speaker 1: Sci Fi and you know, at nauseum, why the hell
Speaker 1: did they run this show on Sci Fi? Why didn't
Speaker 1: they just wait a week? Anyway, backing hum up with
Speaker 1: more Observer Live. Come Monday Day, Come, Come Monday Day Day,
Speaker 1: Come Monday. Come Come Monday. Set the state book. See
Speaker 1: rang and I I think it's me that can give.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that I won't track, but I'm imagine back
Speaker 1: at the show. Bryan Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike
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Speaker 1: to know I Vinnie's alive. Finally found him. Party's over
Speaker 1: in that guest house there, slept for over eleven hours.
Speaker 1: Who does that? Sure? Never mind? Well, uh, we'll be
Speaker 1: back tonight on the Brian and Vinny Show from a
Speaker 1: special location. I've got it all. I got all set
Speaker 1: up and ready to go for tonight. Talking to a
Speaker 1: w n x T and Moore and Brandon Thurston here
Speaker 1: a w Dynamite Last night eight hundred sixty nine thousand viewers,
Speaker 1: four six thousand, eighteen and forty nine point three one
Speaker 1: in persons eighteen to forty nine Dynamites lowest total viewership
Speaker 1: since December one, lowest eighteen to forty nine since December fifteen.
Speaker 1: Maybe that guy you eat me the Observer show last
Speaker 1: night was right. Everyone quit watching because Cody left. I
Speaker 1: don't think that would happen, but they were down total
Speaker 1: viewership on viewership down twenty five from last week's so
Speaker 1: we'll have more on that here in a in a
Speaker 1: few hours. Gonna be honest, love that an XT number
Speaker 1: was a lot better than it it probably could have been,
Speaker 1: and it was a good show too. It's too bad
Speaker 1: that that actually happened on a night where they may
Speaker 1: have had their best night since the whole rebranding. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think they did have their best night since the rebranding,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately nobody saw it better than last week. But
Speaker 1: still tough road o for them for this week. What's
Speaker 1: Briant doing after the show? This person asks, Going out
Speaker 1: of this pool? Is what I'm doing after I post
Speaker 1: these dynamite ratings and shut my Twitter off, disengage my
Speaker 1: phones cellular service. But I will be back tomorrow. Everybody.
Speaker 1: M I am tonight with Vinnie. Have a great day, everybody.
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