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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.
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Speaker 4: twenty second, twenty twenty five. In fact, Dylan, Matt and
Speaker 4: I have had some dreams about this moment occur, and
Speaker 4: we're going to tell you why our dreams are in
Speaker 4: this sense predictive or in this case. But before we
Speaker 4: do that, we've got to get a little bit YOUNGI
Speaker 4: in and dig through the super consciousness for some rut.
Speaker 5: To begas, I sense a disturbance in the root, to begas.
Speaker 4: What what?
Speaker 2: How did you even?
Speaker 4: Wow? We are never not doing this bit, folks. We
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Speaker 3: Make sure to include specifics on how you would improve
Speaker 3: the route Bega's segment.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, walk us through it. And we also are
Speaker 4: aware that there's a ton of purported dream interpretation right
Speaker 4: symbolism of dreams, and mattaw is looking this up earlier
Speaker 4: before we recorded. There are even in trees or theories
Speaker 4: or interpretations about what a Roota Bega means in a dream.
Speaker 4: According to askdreamorcle dot com, a source with which we
Speaker 4: are not super familiar, dreaming about a Ruta Bega expresses
Speaker 4: that quote, if you are single, love will knock on
Speaker 4: your door very soon. You are doing your best trying
Speaker 4: to balance various aspects of your life. The truth will
Speaker 4: be the perfect ingredient for trust to grow in your relationships.
Speaker 4: What I don't know it goes on? Do you want
Speaker 4: to know the rest?
Speaker 3: Or what I'm going to counter you with psychologist world
Speaker 3: that says to see turnips growing or ruta Vegas denotes
Speaker 3: that your prospects will brighten and that you will be
Speaker 3: much elated over your success.
Speaker 4: There we go, I like that, I like this, like
Speaker 4: daily newspaper horoscope column vibe for the Rude Bega. A
Speaker 4: friend will ask you to forgive something that happened a
Speaker 4: long time ago and that hurt you at the time.
Speaker 4: There is a force that is drawing you toward a
Speaker 4: certain direction, thinking or happit what you're not letting anyone
Speaker 4: stand in the way of your goals.
Speaker 3: For a young woman to sow turn up seed foretells
Speaker 3: that she will inherit good property and win a handsome husband.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of romance to dream, Ruda Begas
Speaker 4: that we were not aware of. Right, it's fair to
Speaker 4: say neither of us were aware of this. Well we
Speaker 4: know now, we know now if we knew then what
Speaker 4: we know now? Right, This is our of course, our
Speaker 4: listener mail segment. We're going to do something different because
Speaker 4: earlier previously on stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 4: We went through yet another of our dream phases, and
Speaker 4: we asked all of our fellow listeners, all of us
Speaker 4: playing along at home, to share dreams that stood out
Speaker 4: to us in some way, particularly dreams that appear to
Speaker 4: violate the known laws of physical or linear time, by
Speaker 4: which we mean dreams that predict or foretell the future.
Speaker 4: This is an ancient belief. It is quite controversial in
Speaker 4: the world of modern accepted science. However, statistically speaking, you
Speaker 4: have yourself experienced something like this, or you have met
Speaker 4: someone who believes they have experienced something like that. So
Speaker 4: we're going to hear from can't Sleep, We're going to
Speaker 4: talk with Cheese, We're going to take a word from
Speaker 4: our sponsors, and then I don't know, Matt, what do
Speaker 4: you think? Maybe we start with old Klamari.
Speaker 2: Calamari it is.
Speaker 3: And we've returned, jumping straight to Calamari. Kalamari says on
Speaker 3: a recent episode, you all asked listeners to submit experiences
Speaker 3: involving prophetic dreams. I've experienced a handful of dreams that
Speaker 3: have come true in the past, usually involving things associated
Speaker 3: with strong emotional attachments. The first occurred when I was
Speaker 3: in grade four. When these do happen, they don't feel
Speaker 3: like normal dreams. They're more like a memory. I say
Speaker 3: that because I can remember distinct details like smells, jumping
Speaker 3: out for a second, we just talked about that, right,
Speaker 3: smells very strong in dreams, though not for me for
Speaker 3: some reason specifically, but they don't.
Speaker 4: The interesting thing here, Kalamari, is that a lot of
Speaker 4: people do not report smells in dreams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so let's jump back in. Calamari says I
Speaker 3: can remember distinct details like smells, the way dust particles
Speaker 3: move through nearby sunlight, how a person is positioned, or
Speaker 3: what they're doing during the dream. One dream kind of
Speaker 3: confused me because in it I was talking to my
Speaker 3: mom as she was cooking breakfast. I suddenly started talking gibberish.
Speaker 4: Well, yodaj mayo da.
Speaker 3: And we do know that communication is sometimes very strange
Speaker 3: in dreams. Often it has been reported that writing or
Speaker 3: like looking at language is difficult to understand or incomprehensible.
Speaker 4: Which is weird because they again like the the studies
Speaker 4: regarding smell or old factory stimuli. I'm I'm not bragging.
Speaker 4: I can read in dreams and actually read a lot
Speaker 4: of cool there. But the I don't know if I
Speaker 4: should occursed on that one. But you're absolutely right, Matt.
Speaker 4: It is it is common that due to dream logic,
Speaker 4: the dreamer can understand and can recognize this symbolic platform
Speaker 4: or avenue of communication. This character is speaking, this book
Speaker 4: is open, I am reading this piece of mail or whatever.
Speaker 4: But then if you try to concentrate on it, even
Speaker 4: lucid dreamers can find that quite difficult.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I find that difficult.
Speaker 3: Jumping back to Calamari, caller says, we're having the dream
Speaker 3: about mom cooking, smelling everything. Otherwise, it was much like
Speaker 3: my other dreams that have come true. The following morning,
Speaker 3: I went into the kitchen because I could smell that
Speaker 3: breakfast was being made and saw moms standing there preparing
Speaker 3: things as she cooked. I walked over to talk to her,
Speaker 3: and as we began talking, I realized that the way
Speaker 3: the sunlight was coming through the window, how my mom
Speaker 3: was moving, along with other details that things were going
Speaker 3: exactly as they were in my dream. Well, let's talk
Speaker 3: about that really quickly, mm being mom cooking breakfast around
Speaker 3: the same time in the morning. How just realistically, if
Speaker 3: we if we pull back completely as objective as we can.
Speaker 4: Because she's already in situ in media arrests, she's already cooking,
Speaker 4: which means smells are being generated.
Speaker 3: Smells are being generated the light is probably coming in
Speaker 3: through the window in a way that you have seen
Speaker 3: before because of you know, this is the way the
Speaker 3: sun enters your home at this time of day during
Speaker 3: breakfast time. She moves the way Mom moves, So she's
Speaker 3: moving in the same mannerisms, the same you know, movements
Speaker 3: of her legs and her arms as she always does.
Speaker 3: Just saying this doesn't mean in my mind or think objectively,
Speaker 3: that dream version of Mom doing that thing exactly that way,
Speaker 3: looking like this is because of the dream. It could
Speaker 3: be this is what Mom looks like making breakfast.
Speaker 4: But here's the interesting part though, right, because it continues
Speaker 4: and I agree with you, so uh, Calamari, you continue
Speaker 4: and you say, you know, I walked over to her.
Speaker 4: As we began talking, I realized the way the sunlight
Speaker 4: was coming in through the window, how my mom was
Speaker 4: moving like you said, Matt, other details. Everything is exactly
Speaker 4: as it was in my dream. I started to tell
Speaker 4: her about my dream. Then I realized I needed to
Speaker 4: head outside and told her what was going to happen,
Speaker 4: and it did. Importantly, Calamari does not clarify the predictive
Speaker 4: hinge here, right, and this is a deep deja vous
Speaker 4: in a way. And it was only years later, says Calabari,
Speaker 4: as I was telling a friend about this that had
Speaker 4: dawned on me. Why I was speaking nonsense during that
Speaker 4: part of the dream. It was the part where I
Speaker 4: started telling my mom about the dream from the previous night.
Speaker 4: I guess, says Calamari. My adolescent brain, when I was
Speaker 4: about thirteen or fourteen, wasn't prepared for that. And then
Speaker 4: Calamari provides us some very kind words but also an
Speaker 4: impetus for investigation. Yes, we need to know what the
Speaker 4: predictive thing was.
Speaker 2: Was it significant?
Speaker 3: Was it something small like a robin's gonna land on
Speaker 3: that branch right now? Was it a dog's gonna get
Speaker 3: hit by a car out here?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Like, what was the thing?
Speaker 4: What was the thing? And we need to know what
Speaker 4: the thing was, especially because in our opening statement here Calamari,
Speaker 4: we say the dreams that come true have strong emotional connection,
Speaker 4: right or resonance, and that's something that's something fascinating. We
Speaker 4: thought this was an especially great correspondence because of that
Speaker 4: nature of smelling a thing, right, And it's pretty clear
Speaker 4: I would say that Matt Dylan and I strongly suspect
Speaker 4: and are asking if maybe the smell that was happening
Speaker 4: in the real world informed your cognition or your virtual reality.
Speaker 4: But to know that, we have to know exactly what
Speaker 4: you were asking about. Dude, Is it something small that changes?
Speaker 4: Is this the We're not going to date you too hard,
Speaker 4: but you're thirteen fourteen? Did you walk out and learn
Speaker 4: a significant historical event at the time you know?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, what I want to know is was your
Speaker 3: mom cooking the morning that you were having that dream?
Speaker 4: Right? That's exactly the question.
Speaker 3: Because many of our dreams, at least our most vivid ones,
Speaker 3: occur right before waking, like those intense dreams, the dream
Speaker 3: state that you get into where you wake up and
Speaker 3: you remember stuff that's right before you wake up. And
Speaker 3: if right before you wake up you smell bacon or
Speaker 3: something and you're smelling it while you're asleep.
Speaker 4: And you're hearing the sounds of cooking, perhaps these things
Speaker 4: can all inform these experience. Please check out an episode
Speaker 4: that we did quite recently on the concept of dream incubation,
Speaker 4: targeted manipulation of the dream state. Full disclosure. We just
Speaker 4: recorded that one. We have not heard it yet. Maybe
Speaker 4: you have. In another play of existence.
Speaker 3: Dude, Well, you know, I actually want to ben. Could
Speaker 3: we jump to the phone lines in this?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, let's do it. Let's do one here.
Speaker 3: Let's do one because it reminds me of something a
Speaker 3: caller said recently. Let's jump to Can't Sleep.
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, this is can't Sleep. I love listening to
Speaker 5: you guys. I know a while back, I hope I'm
Speaker 5: not too late. You guys were talking about calling in
Speaker 5: talk about dreams, and I had a really crazy experience.
Speaker 5: So I always listen to a podcast when I go
Speaker 5: to sleep. Most of the time it's your guys' podcast,
Speaker 5: unless I've already listened to it. But I woke up
Speaker 5: the next day and I had the craziest, craziest dream.
Speaker 5: And then I've always been interested in dreams, so I
Speaker 5: was looking at like interpreting on I have this one
Speaker 5: dream interpreting apps that seems to be like right on
Speaker 5: point every time about what things mean. But on this
Speaker 5: particular occasion, everything I wrote in the dream ap like it.
Speaker 5: Nothing really came up that triggered anything that was going on,
Speaker 5: So I thought it was just strange what I was
Speaker 5: dreaming about. Then I listened to this podcast about dreams
Speaker 5: I forget where when, And the guy was saying this
Speaker 5: psychology was saying, like, dreams are basically when you're asleep,
Speaker 5: if your mind, if your brain and your ears ear
Speaker 5: noises or hear someone talking, it tries to best interpret
Speaker 5: what it's hearing and putting it into like visual form,
Speaker 5: like almost like a read this, you know, like it.
Speaker 5: It sends you images based on whatever you're hearing while
Speaker 5: you're asleep, because your brain's trying to tell you. So
Speaker 5: I thought that was really interesting. And then the next
Speaker 5: night I was listening to a podcast which was the
Speaker 5: next one on my list after the one that I
Speaker 5: had gone to bed listening to earlier the day before,
Speaker 5: and they were talking about like a golf course and
Speaker 5: Thailand and how they had to clear a bunch of
Speaker 5: trees and people were upset, and I had dreamt about
Speaker 5: driving a golf cart on the branches of trees, which
Speaker 5: was really really crazy because the guy had said that
Speaker 5: when you're asleep and you're hearing someone talking, that it
Speaker 5: will try to speak to you via images in your
Speaker 5: head and your dreams, right, And so that was it,
Speaker 5: and I was just blown away. So I think sometimes
Speaker 5: dreams are based on what we're feeling. But a lot
Speaker 5: of times, like if you fall asleep with the TV
Speaker 5: on or you're listening to a podcast, your brain is
Speaker 5: actually made turning those words you're hearing into images in
Speaker 5: your head. It's just it just blew my mind. So anyways,
Speaker 5: love your guys, so have a good one.
Speaker 3: There we go, agreed, right, It reminds me of what
Speaker 3: Klamari's saying, but in this case, in Calamari's bacon, Oh
Speaker 3: so much food, I'm hungry. But in this case, it's
Speaker 3: any sounds, any sensory input. Basically, your brain is specifically
Speaker 3: turning that into visual imagery, mostly visual imagery, because that's
Speaker 3: the that's at least the method of internal communication that's going.
Speaker 4: On, and it's racing through pre established synaptic roots. That's
Speaker 4: that's an important part of the translation exercise. We can't
Speaker 4: thank you enough for taking the time to contact this man,
Speaker 4: because this is speaking directly to some stuff that we
Speaker 4: were exploring together over the years and in previous evenings.
Speaker 4: I would say another way to think about it, or
Speaker 4: the dovetail on this would be to consider it a
Speaker 4: matter of translation, yes, but perhaps more importantly, a matter
Speaker 4: of contextualization. Within the pre existing sleep pattern or dream.
Speaker 4: I remember back when I used to drink soda. That's right,
Speaker 4: I was wild and I stopped drinking soda. I had
Speaker 4: a similar invasive sort of stimuli clearly affecting me. It
Speaker 4: was very like native advertising. I was fighting another ancient vampire.
Speaker 4: And then midway through, like the climactic third act you know,
Speaker 4: of all the daring do and John wickery of fighting
Speaker 4: the enemy, paused and said, okay, time out, and then
Speaker 4: held up a can of Coca Cola classic, cracked it open,
Speaker 4: drank it with that typical you know, we all know
Speaker 4: the coke sound like I'm trying to do all right?
Speaker 4: Hey hm dr pepper gross and no hesitation. Uh so
Speaker 4: the uh so. Anyway, the dream progressed or whatever version
Speaker 4: of reality I was in, and I later woke it
Speaker 4: was just after sunset and a person in the same
Speaker 4: area had literally opened up a can of something, and
Speaker 4: that must have been the external stimuli added to the
Speaker 4: previous context of existence that had triggered that. This does
Speaker 4: not mean these are predictive. It doesn't mean they're violating
Speaker 4: linear time. But already, just in the beginning of this
Speaker 4: listener mail, we see that there are a lot of
Speaker 4: baffling things at play, some of which science has yet
Speaker 4: to explain. I'm a crackhead for soda. Man will drink soda.
Speaker 3: Every once in a while, I'll let myself have a
Speaker 3: cheer wine or something as like a or one of
Speaker 3: those bottled Coca colas from.
Speaker 4: Mexico, the class ones pine sugar.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, or if I'm feeling really squirrely, Yeah, a pepsi.
Speaker 2: I think it's called zero now, I don't know. Pepsi
Speaker 2: zero sugar cherry.
Speaker 4: Pepsi zero sugar cherry. Something like that sounds like an
Speaker 4: operation we would be conducting if we were doing podcasts.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, dang, what's my aspertained intake like this week?
Speaker 4: I guess I could have one fast forward to Dylan say, uh,
Speaker 4: Senator again, I could either confirm nor to die any
Speaker 4: knowledge of what you call pepsi zero sugar cherry. Yeah. Sorry,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's something like that. Oh wait, no, dude, I'm told
Speaker 2: I must. I must be a soda fiend. Still, I
Speaker 2: didn't even realize I was.
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 2: My son?
Speaker 3: If he does something extraordinary, his reward that he wants
Speaker 3: is an IBC root beer that's what he wants. Glass
Speaker 3: bottled IBC root beer.
Speaker 4: Kid likes root beer. I always said he had a
Speaker 4: sophisticated taste. That's pretty advanced ballad, actually, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's delicious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, root beer is a dumb name for a thing
Speaker 4: that's not that bad.
Speaker 2: Sasparilla.
Speaker 4: Sasparilla sounds better. It's got a better mouthfeel, you know,
Speaker 4: and shout out to our British friends. Barley water is
Speaker 4: also not near as it satnds.
Speaker 3: Barley tea just to go off the barley Yeah is delicious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: Barley is underrated, just like the root of Bega. We're
Speaker 4: going to pause for a word from our sponsors. Will
Speaker 4: return with more messages from you. We have returned. We're
Speaker 4: going to hear from Tellincore. Tellancore, you said the following, Hey, guys,
Speaker 4: you can call me Tellincore Phil. Free to use that
Speaker 4: name and my message on the air if you wish.
Speaker 4: That's how you do it. The cool nickname. We'll use
Speaker 4: your real name too if you want. No judgment, but
Speaker 4: just let us know. And you say telencor In the
Speaker 4: most recent Strange news program, you asked for people to
Speaker 4: send in predictive dream experiences. Hopefully you aren't regretting it.
Speaker 4: We don't, and you're not drowning in responses already. We are.
Speaker 4: But I wanted to share one that I had. Pretty mundane,
Speaker 4: but it's always stuck with me. Back in the year
Speaker 4: two thousand, I was in the midst of reading Robert
Speaker 4: Jordan's Wheel of Time series and was eagerly awaiting the
Speaker 4: soon to be released Winter's Heart. I was right there
Speaker 4: with you, man. A few weeks before the book was released,
Speaker 4: I had a dream that I had picked up a
Speaker 4: copy of the book, and upon waking, I had a
Speaker 4: very clear memory of exactly what the cover of the
Speaker 4: book looked like. When I went to pick up this
Speaker 4: book in real life to Miami, the cover art was
Speaker 4: exactly as I had pictured it in the dream. Okay,
Speaker 4: so first question, did you see the cover art you know,
Speaker 4: liminally or subliminally and forget or was something else at play?
Speaker 5: Mmmm?
Speaker 3: Now this is a tough one for me because we're
Speaker 3: talking about the year two thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so AOL was a thing.
Speaker 3: Sure, you could get on the old netscapes and a
Speaker 3: couple of different ways to access the internet. Maybe there
Speaker 3: was a really low res version of this art online somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on a bulletin board, on some forum, et cetera.
Speaker 4: But maybe.
Speaker 3: But and by the way, did it come out in
Speaker 3: two thousand or did it come out in like a
Speaker 3: couple of years later, like two thousand and three, because
Speaker 3: that changes things. Three years of the Internet changes things.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, even back then. And with that mind, Tellencore,
Speaker 4: you continued to your point, Matt, and you say this
Speaker 4: was before the Internet made it almost impossible to avoid
Speaker 4: spoilers for such things. So, anticipating our question, Tellencore says,
Speaker 4: I don't believe I had somehow seen a picture of
Speaker 4: it before release and then dreamed of it. For that reason,
Speaker 4: Like I said, it's pretty trivial, but it has stayed
Speaker 4: with me. I wish I could have done the same
Speaker 4: for lotto numbers at some point, but no luck so far.
Speaker 4: Which also makes me think, what if you have a
Speaker 4: dream about lottery numbers? But the probabilities are so nuanced
Speaker 4: that by observing that sequence of numbers, even in a dream,
Speaker 4: you alter the reality of the waking world. Dude, dude,
Speaker 4: I mean no, but but it's fun to think about.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about this cover really quickly that if
Speaker 3: there was no spoiler? How do you imagine how many characters?
Speaker 2: Is this? One?
Speaker 3: Two, three, four, five characters and three horses on a
Speaker 3: cover like this?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 3: I don't I haven't read the Wheel of Time series?
Speaker 3: Is this generally what the covers look like? Are they
Speaker 3: all the characters like this?
Speaker 4: They're varying characters on the cover, So on the cover
Speaker 4: of different installments of the series, it is generally going
Speaker 4: to be that same art style. Okay, for the original
Speaker 4: publications what we see Oh gosh, I don't want to
Speaker 4: get too into detail here, but not all of these
Speaker 4: are the main characters there. There are many characters in
Speaker 4: the Wheel of Time series. But yeah, this is this
Speaker 4: is apropos to the previous books in the series. This
Speaker 4: is the ninth book of the Wheel of Time. And
Speaker 4: this looks like if you didn't have the language on
Speaker 4: there that says Winter's Heart book nine, Wheel of Time,
Speaker 4: author names stuff like that, then it might look like
Speaker 4: a somewhat generic or unidentifiable scene from a fantasy novel.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 4: And look, the art is great, by the way, We're
Speaker 4: not when we say generic, we just mean without the language,
Speaker 4: you might be able to confuse this with other paintings
Speaker 4: of interesting people on a snowy mountaintop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed. I again, I don't know the story, so
Speaker 3: I have no idea who these folks are or what
Speaker 3: they're doing. But I wouldn't I can't imagine that being
Speaker 3: just a generic image, you know that you conjured. If
Speaker 3: Telenkor dreamed that and then that's what it was and
Speaker 3: he hadn't seen it, that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 4: It's fascinating. I think we're asking the right question too,
Speaker 4: about the prevalence of the internet or online discourse at
Speaker 4: that moment. And honestly, you know, I would pause it
Speaker 4: that if people think we got to be careful. We
Speaker 4: don't want to prime folks too much back, but I
Speaker 4: will pause it that anyone listening, if you think about
Speaker 4: it long enough, you will remember or feel that you
Speaker 4: remember a dream you cannot explain that is in some
Speaker 4: way seems in retrospect predictive or clairvoyant, or conveyed to
Speaker 4: you somehow information that you don't believe you would have
Speaker 4: acquired otherwise. Hmm, I don't know, do you think so?
Speaker 4: I feel like also that's putting our thumb on the
Speaker 4: scale just a little bit. Because when you ask people
Speaker 4: to think about a specific thing that relates to them,
Speaker 4: depending on how you deploy the language, they're going to
Speaker 4: find something.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh for sure, let me talking about that.
Speaker 3: That's why all those horoscopes work and those dream interpreters
Speaker 3: and all.
Speaker 2: That other stuff.
Speaker 4: No, they're right about the root of Vegas.
Speaker 2: We are that part of handsome husbands all around.
Speaker 3: So let's jump quickly because this also relates to a
Speaker 3: caller Geez called in and I think this goes right
Speaker 3: to what we're talking about here with Tellencore.
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, this is Jeeves, a long time listener. What
Speaker 6: I wanted to talk about is dreams that I have
Speaker 6: had in the past that were just innocent dreams or
Speaker 6: you know, premonitions or imaginations, the moments of imagination of
Speaker 6: me as a child later on, things that were not
Speaker 6: necessarily pivotal to my existence, but there's a lot of
Speaker 6: energy and memory around those moments, and they were moments
Speaker 6: that I had that energy from before I had those
Speaker 6: moments as a memory, if that makes sense. There's specifically
Speaker 6: a time when I was like four or five years old.
Speaker 6: I imagine myself working at a bar and a black shirt,
Speaker 6: and around the time that I worked at that far,
Speaker 6: I did have a black shirt and I did work
Speaker 6: at a bar that was very similar to the vision
Speaker 6: that I had when I was a child, which I
Speaker 6: don't necessarily think it was a vision. Again, I can't remember.
Speaker 6: It goes to me dreaming, and this is all based
Speaker 6: on memories, but you know, take it for what it is. However,
Speaker 6: there have been multiple instances of that where throughout my
Speaker 6: childhood I would have had a memory or a dream
Speaker 6: or a thought that's similar to a deja boo moment,
Speaker 6: where later on in my life I would actualize these
Speaker 6: moments and then kind of like point to myself like, oh,
Speaker 6: I manifested them, or something of that regard. However, there
Speaker 6: is also recently that study that kind of proves that
Speaker 6: the electrons that exist in every moment in time have
Speaker 6: been in every moment in time, and with the way
Speaker 6: that the human mind works and with the way that
Speaker 6: information is processed and transferred and how we're all kind
Speaker 6: of like acting as one large motion picture all at once.
Speaker 6: You know, if you take the human consciousness out of
Speaker 6: observing the human consciousness, then you do kind of get this,
Speaker 6: just like all encompassing motion picture that is all taking
Speaker 6: place within itself almost instantaneously, because again, if you don't
Speaker 6: have a human consciousness, you're unable to.
Speaker 5: Observe that time.
Speaker 6: But those are just some you know, things to think about.
Speaker 6: I'm running up on my time, so I'm gonna go
Speaker 6: ahead and just say that I love your guys to
Speaker 6: show and I hope that you guys keep up the
Speaker 6: good work.
Speaker 4: Che's out, Che's out, Che's out. As our we collect catchphrases, man,
Speaker 4: and you just nailed it.
Speaker 2: Cheese out, munster audi uh. Fantastic stuff here.
Speaker 3: This concept of taking human consciousness out of observing consciousness.
Speaker 2: Goes back to the old days.
Speaker 3: Spend with the Grant Morrison stuff. The snake that is existence,
Speaker 3: right like if you could have if you can imagine
Speaker 3: a human being in every place they have ever been,
Speaker 3: like every physical place on the planet they've ever been,
Speaker 3: and then just at that as one snake that goes
Speaker 3: all the way from the beginning until death.
Speaker 4: Did you ever read the graphic novels based on HP
Speaker 4: Lovecraft's work Providence. Also, Nameless is another good win for this,
Speaker 4: and I know you love Nameless. Nameless is an age
Speaker 4: appropriate Buddy, comedy in space for everyone. No, buy it
Speaker 4: for children.
Speaker 2: Stop. It looks like it would be It looks like
Speaker 2: it on the front.
Speaker 4: But I'm bringing these two tangentially related works of hopefully
Speaker 4: fiction to bear here because that they both explore the
Speaker 4: concept of the trappings of linear experience of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know that specific study that Jesus
Speaker 3: referring to about the electrons that exist in every moment
Speaker 3: and time have existed in every moment.
Speaker 2: I don't know or understand that necessarily.
Speaker 3: That's that's above my head, at least in this moment
Speaker 3: as we're discussing everything, I get everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker 2: Concept.
Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, it's there. It's part of it goes into
Speaker 4: the mystery around their designated sort of orbital roots, Like
Speaker 4: if every electron is a mailman or a planet, why
Speaker 4: do they also seem to exist outside of where they're
Speaker 4: predicted to be. Do check out our episode recently published
Speaker 4: on Whether or Not We Can Break Physics, which gets
Speaker 4: into a little bit of this.
Speaker 3: Yep, just makes you feel unsettled in my experience, But.
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 3: What was the other thing we were talking about recently
Speaker 3: that humans with our consciousness decode information one second per second, yes,
Speaker 3: and then time though, however, can function very differently.
Speaker 2: Outside of our observation of.
Speaker 3: It, so that that that concept again hurts my brain
Speaker 3: a bit. But I can understand that because our again,
Speaker 3: our processing power is a one second per second.
Speaker 4: Unit top proven speed so far.
Speaker 3: But if you imagine, you know, the way you can
Speaker 3: capture light at incredible broken down speeds with certain like
Speaker 3: phantom cameras and other cameras like that, you can truly
Speaker 3: see stuff moving at a whole different speed if it
Speaker 3: were interpreted that way.
Speaker 4: It's fascinating. It's also a question of that that outside perspective, right,
Speaker 4: Please don't, please don't confuse what we're saying as a
Speaker 4: beat by beat exploration of ego death, which is another
Speaker 4: philosophical concept. Right. But the idea then is that let's
Speaker 4: expand it a little further. A being from a different
Speaker 4: set of dimensions, or with different sensory equipment to experience
Speaker 4: the universe in a different manner. It may look at
Speaker 4: human beings in a very bizarre way. You know, depending
Speaker 4: upon how you perceive time, people might just look like
Speaker 4: a series of segmented worm moments of movement and age
Speaker 4: that all exist as their own sort of little individual
Speaker 4: spaghetti string. Yeah yeah, I'm fun at parties.
Speaker 2: Spaghetti guys, double spaghetti guys over.
Speaker 4: There, Welcome to ultimate reality. Everyone is a creepy fun
Speaker 4: doodle or what are those guys called inflatable guys?
Speaker 2: Car stores used car air dancer boys.
Speaker 4: There, we go, used car air dancer boys. And also
Speaker 4: it also reminds us of maybe one of the best
Speaker 4: ways to put the science into spirituality. Here is the
Speaker 4: Old the old work by the legendary David Foster Wallace.
Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing, but it's an old fish in the ocean
Speaker 4: goes and passes by these other two fish who are younger,
Speaker 4: and the old fish says, hey, boys, how's the water?
Speaker 4: And the two young fish are like whatever, old man,
Speaker 4: And they swim around for a little bit, and then
Speaker 4: one of them looks at the other one and says,
Speaker 4: what the is water?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yea, So maybe that's time freak humans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, our sensory organs developed in this space
Speaker 3: right right at this speed. And as you're saying, if
Speaker 3: it's extra dimensional, especially then we would be we be
Speaker 3: very funky, funky looking and acting and we'd seem really slow.
Speaker 4: I bet I stay funky. That's my dry cleaner. Stay funky, Ben,
Speaker 4: stay funky, you too, Dylan.
Speaker 3: Stay funky everyone. We'll be right back after another word
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Speaker 4: And we have returned. Before we get into our final
Speaker 4: piece of correspondence from our fellow listeners this evening, we
Speaker 4: we thought it would be appropriate to me don't do
Speaker 4: this often, but to maybe maybe share vivid or inexplicable
Speaker 4: dreams that we have personally encountered. Uh. The We're not
Speaker 4: saying that anyone can tell the future. That has not
Speaker 4: been proven yet, good luck DARPA, but we are we
Speaker 4: are hoping to commune indicate that a lot of people
Speaker 4: have experienced things they cannot explain. So who do we
Speaker 4: put on the spot first? Dylan inny weird dreams? Or
Speaker 4: do you want to tell us about a dream that
Speaker 4: terrified you, a dream that terrified me, or a dream
Speaker 4: that predicted the future? We're giving you options.
Speaker 7: Man, how many of that predicted the future? I just
Speaker 7: we were talking off air about when I was playing
Speaker 7: the Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild when it
Speaker 7: came out a few years ago, that there's these creatures
Speaker 7: called lionels that look like centaurs and lions put together.
Speaker 7: They're very large, and they move really quickly in the game,
Speaker 7: and they're like one of the bigger battles. And I
Speaker 7: would play it for hours on end, and I started
Speaker 7: slipping into my dreams and giving me nightmares where I
Speaker 7: was having to fight a lionel and I would never win.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 4: Oh, dude, that's exactly you know what. That's perfect because
Speaker 4: we talked earlier too, in multiple episodes about how people
Speaker 4: can be primed by that kind of repetitive stimulus or stimuli.
Speaker 4: That's why you will dream of Tetris inevitably if you
Speaker 4: play it too often. I think we all did that.
Speaker 4: And then also, depending on whether or not your waking
Speaker 4: mind is cognizant of the things that have been pushed
Speaker 4: into your brain, you may feel like you are predicting
Speaker 4: the future. You know what I mean. I hope you
Speaker 4: don't run into a lionel. We hope you don't.
Speaker 2: I hope that's not predictive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, that's such a good news. Bad news. Good news,
Speaker 4: you've discovered an entirely new life form. Bad news.
Speaker 2: They're out to get you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're out to get you. That's funny. That's like
Speaker 4: bringing back what is it, resurrecting the mammoth. I would
Speaker 4: love a headline that comes out in you know, Popsy
Speaker 4: or TMZ or something says, good news, We've resurrected mammoths.
Speaker 4: Bad news. They're like just the worst nineteen eighties version
Speaker 4: of a rude person, you know what I mean, Like mammoths,
Speaker 4: steel skateboards, a vape or whatever. Yeah, no, it's the eighties.
Speaker 4: They would be smoking cigarettes, definitely, parliaments, okay, yeah. Predictive dream.
Speaker 4: You got a dream you can't explain?
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I just have weird dreams. Sorry, that's
Speaker 2: all I got.
Speaker 4: No worries. One Briefly, this is in a I don't
Speaker 4: want to be too specific, but this is an a
Speaker 4: category that may be disrestling common to a lot of
Speaker 4: us listening along tonight. A dream that doesn't necessarily tell
Speaker 4: you to do a thing, but tells you to avoid
Speaker 4: a thing. This is not uncommon in parts of my family.
Speaker 4: There are multiple anecdotes. I don't have a bunch of
Speaker 4: you know, I have much other than anecdotal evidence for this,
Speaker 4: but I have at several junctures I have received a
Speaker 4: dream that tells me, you know, not to hop on
Speaker 4: a bus right, or not to get in the car
Speaker 4: and go in this place right, and then the next
Speaker 4: day something terrible has occurred. This has happened to me
Speaker 4: more than once. Obviously, if we're exercising critical thought, we
Speaker 4: could say you're just noticing the times it appears to
Speaker 4: have worked. You're not noticing all the times you said, oh,
Speaker 4: I had a bad dream, I'm gonna call him sick,
Speaker 4: and then Thursday was fine, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So I haven't had that before.
Speaker 3: That sounds really My mom sometimes will call me and
Speaker 3: tell me about a terrible dream she had or something
Speaker 3: and make sure I'm okay, and something weird will match up,
Speaker 3: but never, you know, never enough to be significant, I would.
Speaker 4: Say, right, And then it goes back to the way
Speaker 4: we experience time. So enough about us. We do want
Speaker 4: to hear about these experiences, and if you are, especially
Speaker 4: if you are skeptical and find yourself at a loss
Speaker 4: to explain you know that dodged car accident or plane crash,
Speaker 4: we want to hear from you. We're going to end
Speaker 4: this evening with a word from our pal Gravy danger
Speaker 4: Field gravy dangerfield. You say the following, I just listened
Speaker 4: to the Strange News segment where you asked for experiences
Speaker 4: with prophetic dreams and astral projection. I've never done anything
Speaker 4: like astral projection intentionally, but I've had a couple of
Speaker 4: dreams in my life that have completely up and died
Speaker 4: my understanding of reality, where I've been able to verify
Speaker 4: the dream with another person and get the closest thing
Speaker 4: I could expect to objective proof.
Speaker 3: The first happened when I was about twenty years old
Speaker 3: in college. I was having lucid dreams several nights a
Speaker 3: week at that point, so I was familiar with the experience.
Speaker 3: One night, I was sleeping next to a new girlfriend
Speaker 3: I'd be yeah, I'd been seeing for a few months,
Speaker 3: having a lucid dream where I was flying around my
Speaker 3: go to activity and lucid dreams perfect activity. Lucid dreams,
Speaker 3: as you may know, have varying degrees of control, and
Speaker 3: in this particular dream, I was totally in charge, which
Speaker 3: is why it startled me. When my girlfriend, let's call
Speaker 3: her m suddenly appeared. I asked her what she was
Speaker 3: doing here, to which she replied, what do you mean
Speaker 3: I'm dreaming.
Speaker 4: No, you're not. This is my dream, I said, no,
Speaker 4: it's mine. After a bit of back and forth and
Speaker 4: some other things, I woke up and.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait what other things?
Speaker 4: Oh? You know other things? Man?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, all right, let's be cool.
Speaker 4: So you wake up, Gravy, and you look at M
Speaker 4: beside you, and Gravy say. A second later, she opened
Speaker 4: her eyes, then quickly squeezed them shut, pretending to be asleep. Still.
Speaker 4: I told her I knew she was awake, and asked
Speaker 4: why she was acting funny, and she tried to shake
Speaker 4: it off as I just had a weird dream. Long
Speaker 4: story short. When I got the details out of her
Speaker 4: about that weird dream, it perfectly matched mine except for
Speaker 4: her perspective. All of the details were the same for
Speaker 4: both of us, including things like that I glowed with
Speaker 4: a green aura and that she had an orange aura.
Speaker 4: Our surroundings, our dialogue, everything matched up.
Speaker 3: Whoa, and here's the turn. The relationship lasted a few years.
Speaker 3: Well that's nice, but nothing like that ever happened again,
Speaker 3: at least not with her. I should mention that I
Speaker 3: was sober and clear of mind for both of these experiences,
Speaker 3: though I have otherwise dabbled quite a bit with various
Speaker 3: mind altering techniques, some of which the state did not
Speaker 3: approve of.
Speaker 4: The state being the government at the time, not the
Speaker 4: legendary MTV comedy Disgustus. Although that both things might be true,
Speaker 4: we don't.
Speaker 3: Get the state did not approve of and threw me
Speaker 3: in a cage overr oh, that's not great. During one
Speaker 3: such incarceration, I had a dream in which I floated
Speaker 3: up out of my body, through the wall of the
Speaker 3: jail and across the county to a separate jail, where
Speaker 3: I found an estranged friend of mine, and we let
Speaker 3: each other know that we were okay, but we had
Speaker 3: both been locked up.
Speaker 4: Now. The only indication I had that my friend was
Speaker 4: at this jail was this dream. I shrugged and sent
Speaker 4: off a letter addressed to her there anyway. The reply
Speaker 4: came about a week later that she had had a
Speaker 4: really weird, really vivid dream the other night that I
Speaker 4: came to visit her and tell her what happened.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love dream communication as a concept.
Speaker 4: In the fifteen or so years since the second dream,
Speaker 4: says Gravy, it's all the same boring dreams we all
Speaker 4: have of losing teeth, fighting lionel and punching through quicksand
Speaker 4: but those two experiences still blow my mind to think about.
Speaker 4: And I'm as lost as I was the day they
Speaker 4: happened as far as explaining wtf it was that we
Speaker 4: experience anyway, Stay safe out there, Gobble gobble is the
Speaker 4: ending line.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, turkey, what do you mean call us turkeys? Gravy?
Speaker 4: Gravy dangerfield.
Speaker 2: Uh, get no respect over.
Speaker 4: This is exactly what we're asking about now, honestly, gravy.
Speaker 4: You may be surprised to learn that it's not uncommon
Speaker 4: for people who report experiencing these kind of dreams to
Speaker 4: describe auras. And I think it speaks to our earlier
Speaker 4: conversation regarding the idea of translating external stimuli to a
Speaker 4: largely visual medium in the brain. So maybe what might
Speaker 4: be experienced as touch, taste, smell, even appropriate reception or something,
Speaker 4: it gets translated as a color or energy around a person.
Speaker 4: Pretty cool, I guess we also. Did you see the
Speaker 4: news that people appear to have a low key glow
Speaker 4: that disappears upon death.
Speaker 2: I did, like actual aura?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we know people do have actual auras. Living
Speaker 4: things do have weak emissions of different types of energy.
Speaker 4: You just can't usually see it with your factory set
Speaker 4: of eyes if you're human.
Speaker 2: So we need to get aura glasses going on.
Speaker 4: We need to get aura glasses going on. They need
Speaker 4: to be tied to the right sleep technology. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: first thing we need to do is monetize the heck
Speaker 4: out of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, take them to the club, but also to the bedroom.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's perfect Aura plus dreams equals.
Speaker 2: When you hear that.
Speaker 4: And ask about our new wet dlc.
Speaker 3: H, don't, don't ask about it becomes factory standard.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it does.
Speaker 3: Ben can tell you a quick dream I had last
Speaker 3: year this exact same time, according to my dream journal. Okay, ready,
Speaker 3: it's real quick, real quick, not prophetic unless it is. Okay,
Speaker 3: let me preface this by saying this is my dream journal,
Speaker 3: like directly, so I may have gotten things wrong or weird,
Speaker 3: but here goes et species resembling and functioning similarly to octopus,
Speaker 3: are trans medium, as are exoskeletons. Suits have chromatophor functionality,
Speaker 3: can mimic surroundings automatically. Base located under sea mothership returning
Speaker 3: several million years. There are observations ape genome unfit for advancement,
Speaker 3: as was reptilian insect variant, most successful experiment to be
Speaker 3: reset another several million yearsocus on new genome. Great, yeah, cool,
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 4: I think it's great. I feel like that we could
Speaker 4: write that out to a story if you wish.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 4: I love the implication of the larger world at play,
Speaker 4: the iterative sort of Sisyphian pursuit of higher life and
Speaker 4: better understanding of the universe. And it reminds me too
Speaker 4: of ooh, it's creepy out. You and I are interested
Speaker 4: in so many of the same things. But I would love,
Speaker 4: I would love to hear more dreams like that. We
Speaker 4: have made a decision on the show that we're going
Speaker 4: to embrace other people's dreams. That's what you want to
Speaker 4: hear about them.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: So thank you so much, everybody, Gravy Danger telling the
Speaker 3: Calamari can's sleep.
Speaker 4: Geez, she's out, Gee's out. Folks, thank you so much
Speaker 4: for tuning in. Thanks, of course, to our life long
Speaker 4: suffering legendary producers Dylan the Tennessee, pal Fagan and Andrew
Speaker 4: Treforce Howard. We want to hear from you. We want
Speaker 4: to hear your thoughts skeptical, spiritual, metaphysical, and beyond on
Speaker 4: the nature of dreams. We're going through a dream phase
Speaker 4: right now, is what a lot of religious teachers would say.
Speaker 4: Nice little plots to us. At the end, you can
Speaker 4: find us online conspiracy stuff. Conspiracy stuff shows some derivation
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Speaker 4: drop us a line at our email address, give us
Speaker 4: a call on the telephone, or you know, just say
Speaker 4: the right code word in your dreams.
Speaker 2: A code word like one eight three three std WYTK.
Speaker 2: What does it mean.
Speaker 3: It's a voicemail system. When you call that number, you're
Speaker 3: gonna hear some stuff you might recognize. Then you're gonna
Speaker 3: hear a beep, and then you get three minutes. Say
Speaker 3: whatever you'd like. When you conclude, make sure that in
Speaker 3: that message you gave yourself a cool nickname and you
Speaker 3: said whether or not we can use your name and
Speaker 3: message on the air. If you want to contact us
Speaker 3: in a different way, maybe with your hands, maybe with
Speaker 3: talk to text, why don't you send us an email.
Speaker 2: We are the.
Speaker 4: Entities that read each piece of correspondence we receive, be
Speaker 4: well aware yet out afraid. Sometimes the void writes back,
Speaker 4: were you a person dreaming you were a butterfly, or
Speaker 4: are you a butterfly dreaming you are a man? Shout
Speaker 4: out to the butterfly's dream, Shout out to Einstein's Dreams
Speaker 4: by the legendary professor Alt Lyttman, and shout out to
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